The Senate impeachment trial of President Trump continues as Senators ask House impeachment managers and the President’s defense team questions.
I’m out of popcorn. I’m just watching this stuff straight up neat.
re: #1 BigPapa
I’m out of popcorn. I’m just watching this stuff straight up neat.
I’ve been distracted from my assignment and still need to hit the gym. This really could be even bigger than any of us thought at the scale of coordinated corruption.
#CallBolton pic.twitter.com/HcQf7063Il
— PolitiTrek2 (@polititrek2) January 29, 2020
CLed but the latest stuff that the Trump attorneys gave to the Republican senators. Didn’t we have Trump on record of wanting to weaken the federal anti bribery statute?
first question from the house managers:
ouch!
The only thing positive is that it looks to me that this is impossible to wrap up prior to the State of the Union. I was a Nancy doubter, but her timing seems perfect.
re: #7 I Would Prefer Not To
The only thing positive is that it looks to me that this is impossible to wrap up prior to the State of the Union. I was a Nancy doubter, but her timing seems perfect.
Nancy is shrewder than people were giving her credit for. No knock on you but I think a lot of people ignored that this was the woman who whipped out a majority of House D’s against the Iraq war resolution and later for ACA. She’s easily the most politically astute speaker we’ve had since Tip.
schiff nailing the lawyers with their own quotes
Regarding the Rick Scott “hostage” video posted downstairs:
A friendly reminder that Rick Scott is a criminal, who, like most white collar felons, when he was caught stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from Medicare, escaped punishment by paying a fine. His Senate job is to enrich himself and his fellow oligarchs and to suppress the rights of the poor and minorities. Meanwhile, Blagojevich is spending 14 years in prison for something far less damaging to our nation than Trump’s crime.
re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter
Regarding the Rick Scott “hostage” video posted downstairs:
A friendly reminder that Rick Scott is a criminal, who, like most white collar felons, when he was caught stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from Medicare, escaped punishment by paying a fine. His Senate job is to enrich himself and his fellow oligarchs and to suppress the rights of the poor and minorities. Meanwhile, Blagojevich is spending 14 years in prison for something far less damaging to our nation than Trump’s crime.
Sounds like the perfect guy for Parnas and Rudy then, crooks gotta stick together.
re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Nancy is shrewder than people were giving her credit for. No knock on you but I think a lot of people ignored that this was the woman who whipped out a majority of House D’s against the Iraq war resolution and later for ACA. She’s easily the most politically astute speaker we’ve had since Tip.
she certainly made the right decision multiple times
and many of those decisions may have hoped for a bit of luck as well
and she got it more than once
re: #12 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
she certainly made the right decision multiple times
and many of those decisions may have hoped for a bit of luck as well
and she got it more than once
And all the while this is being done, Dems are still working on House issues related to issues. This is why Trump’s calling them Do Nothing is going to be a fail because Pelosi and the House Dems can say “Look we passed this but McConnell the self professed Reaper blocked votes on it.” Mitch may be smart but he may have started slipping when he tied his boat to Trump’s.
BREAKING: House Foreign Affairs Chairman Eliot Engel says Bolton told him on a Sept. 23 call that “the committee look into the recall of Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch” and “strongly implied that something improper had occurred around her removal as our top diplomat in Kyiv.” pic.twitter.com/oAx3fCZx7R
— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) January 29, 2020
re: #13 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
And all the while this is being done, Dems are still working on House issues related to issues. This is why Trump’s calling them Do Nothing is going to be a fail because Pelosi and the House Dems can say “Look we passed this but McConnell the self professed Reaper blocked votes on it.” Mitch may be smart but he may have started slipping when he tied his boat to Trump’s.
Only true if every Democratic ad points out that the House passed hundreds of bills that the “Grim Reaper” let die on his desk. Republicans are what happens when you live in the mirror universe of Star Trek: their Robin Hood steals from the poor to give to the rich.
Trump is trying to stop the publication of Bolton’s book, because that’s what a person who’s completely innocent would do. pic.twitter.com/YSzjQh3e1j
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2020
re: #15 Hecuba’s daughter
Only true if every Democratic ad points out that the House passed hundreds of bills that the “Grim Reaper” let die on his desk. Republicans are what happens when you live in the mirror universe of Star Trek: their Robin Hood steals from the poor to give to the rich.
I’m sure that will be coming in the Fall. But yeah Republican policy has always been reverse Robin Hood. Handouts for the wealthy and screwing the less well off.
re: #16 Charles Johnson
Trump’s flailing. He’s scared shitless, that’s obvious.
re: #18 Dr Lizardo
Trump’s flailing. He’s scared shitless, that’s obvious.
As Buster Skuggs would say “Can’t stay top dog forever”, Trump’s rise was ugly but his fall is going to be even uglier and I think it’s going ot take a lot of right wing assholes out in and out of office.
A LOT more people are commenting on Trump’s neurological symptoms.
.@gtconway3d it’s almost as if he’s concealing a major neurological and/or psychological disorder.pic.twitter.com/1mBopl9Eyz
— Philippe Reines (@PhilippeReines) January 29, 2020
The involuntary tic with his shoulder is very noticeable now.
I worked at BASF in the ‘80’s. My manager and his manager told Jew jokes to me all the time. I complained and they said if I didn’t have a “sense of humor” I could quit. I made an official complaint & then I left after getting a job offer from GM. I also programmed some totally NON Y2K COMPLAINT code while I worked at BASF because my antisemitic manager was too lazy to create a 4-digit year field. They made vitamins (good for you!) and industrial chemicals (bad for you!) on the same campus.
Also BASF made the Zyklon B that murdered millions.
Auschwitz concentration camp was liberated 75 years ago. It is important to keep alive the memory of the suffering and the millions of murders especially of Jews during the NS regime. Particularly since anti-Semitism and racism are far from being a thing of the past #WeRemember pic.twitter.com/o41LnNBJDn
— BASF (@BASF) January 27, 2020
I can’t listen to Republicans BS when I’m working or sober.
re: #20 Scottish Dragon
A LOT more people are commenting on Trump’s neurological symptoms.
The involuntary tic with his shoulder is very noticeable now.
It does explain how he contradicts himself midspeech often. If he’s had a stroke or something like that and they covered that up, that’s really fucking bad especially given that Trump is already a loose cannon.
Speaking of books…
— D.K.R. Boyd (@ReflectingMan) January 29, 2020
He damn well better get an asterisk by his ‘best-seller’ status, like Coulter did for the same reason.
Still no idea of Big Baby’s hospital stay late last year.
re: #25 BigPapa
Still no idea of Big Baby’s hospital stay late last year.
Has he gone back to finish round 2 of his physical yet?
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
re: #20 Scottish Dragon
I’m pretty sure there won’t be any debates this September or October. By that point, Trump’s brain is gonna resemble a rancid cup of yogurt and that tic, yikes, that’s getting worse.
How much longer is he gonna be able to walk unassisted? Like he’s got some kind of motor disease going on.
Philbin responding to question on whether the president sets foreign policy…by basically saying president’s are elected monarchs, that whatever they want to do is totally cool under the Constitution.
re: #28 Dr Lizardo
I’m pretty sure there won’t be any debates this September or October. By that point, Trump’s brain is gonna resemble a rancid cup of yogurt and that tic, yikes, that’s getting worse.
How much longer is he gonna be able to walk unassisted? Like he’s got some kind of motor disease going on.
Something is off.
re: #29 Targetpractice
Philbin responding to question on whether the president sets foreign policy…by basically saying president’s are elected monarchs, that whatever they want to do is totally cool under the Constitution.
Funny I remember the Tea Party calling Obama, King Obama and they didn’t mean it as a compliment.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
7/10 I missed North Macedonia, Bulgaria and Kazakhstan.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
8/10. Though a couple were admittedly wild guesses.
re: #32 The Pie Overlord!
7/10 I missed North Macedonia, Bulgaria and Kazakhstan.
Yeah I missed North Macedonia too.
re: #32 The Pie Overlord!
7/10 I missed North Macedonia, Bulgaria and Kazakhstan.
Bulgaria/Romania got me.
Annoyed I selected Azerbaijan instead of Georgia.
I damn participated in actual planning to occupy the airfield in Ganja
And, way to embarrassed to identify the other miss selection. No, it wasn’t Ukraine…lol
re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg
8/10. Though a couple were admittedly wild guesses.
It’s not easy. I majored in history. I never took the class but Central Asia history was supposed to be the most difficult class for undergrads in that program by far. I know the countries a little since I know the former SRs of which many of the countries on here are or at least border.
re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg
8/10. Though a couple were admittedly wild guesses.
SWAG
(Sophisticated Wild Ass Guess)
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
9/10 for me: only mixed up Armenia and Georgia.
re: #28 Dr Lizardo
I’m pretty sure there won’t be any debates this September or October. By that point, Trump’s brain is gonna resemble a rancid cup of yogurt and that tic, yikes, that’s getting worse.
How much longer is he gonna be able to walk unassisted? Like he’s got some kind of motor disease going on.
Drags his right foot. Needs help descending stairs. Clutches the podium a lot. Strange wide walking gait, over compensation with one foot crossing centerline.
re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Bulgaria/Romania got me.
Annoyed I selected Azerbaijan instead of Georgia.
I damn participated in actual planning to occupy the airfield in GanjaAnd, way to embarrassed to identify the other miss selection. No, it wasn’t Ukraine…lol
Bulgaria I remember because I know it has more cost. Romania has a shoreline but not as much. I’m most familiar with the former Yugoslavian republics and the Czechoslovak pair since that’s where my mom’s family emigrated from.
re: #38 Jay C
9/10 for me: only mixed up Armenia and Georgia.
We’re all passing Professor Pompeo’s class. I got North Macedonia wrong.
re: #24 makeitstop
Speaking of books…
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He damn well better get an asterisk by his ‘best-seller’ status, like Coulter did for the same reason.
The article claimed he would still have qualified for #1 even without these bulk sales. You underestimate the pull of the cult and its ability to persuade people to buy works they will never read. Of course, it’s certainly possible that bulk purchases from other organizations were what pushed the book to the top.
I was proud I got the ‘Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan’ selections right
I got 8/10. Missed North Macedonia and Georgia.
re: #14 makeitstop
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They can’t turn the tap off now
Acquit with no witnesses and absolutely no one will believe you were serious
re: #28 Dr Lizardo
I’m pretty sure there won’t be any debates this September or October. By that point, Trump’s brain is gonna resemble a rancid cup of yogurt and that tic, yikes, that’s getting worse.
How much longer is he gonna be able to walk unassisted? Like he’s got some kind of motor disease going on.
Naaah: he’ll just appoint one of his Mar-a-Lago cronies “Surgeon-General Of The Space Force”, and have their “flight surgeon” certify that he’s the healthiest specimen of specimenity that ever healthed. Or something.
Which of course, no one in the media will seriously question: or just go and obsess on Joe Biden’s sore throat or Elizabeth Warren’s warts or whatever for “balanced coverage”…
TBH I have to mute it when these sycophantic mouthpieces start rambling again. Just can’t take the lying any more. https://t.co/YnL8JUnQcO pic.twitter.com/QdUl1bZ31e
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2020
re: #37 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
SWAG
(Sophisticated Wild Ass Guess)
LOL.
The funny thing is Eastern Europe and the Middle East are some of my worst areas to remember Geographically. I could have crushed Asia, South America or Africa.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
Equally annoyed. 8/10.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2020
re: #22 I Would Prefer Not To
I can’t listen to Republicans BS when I’m working or sober.
Working/not sober doesn’t cut it?
re: #46 Jay C
Naaah: he’ll just appoint one of his Mar-a-Lago cronies “Surgeon-General Of The Space Force”, and have their “flight surgeon” certify that he’s the healthiest specimen of specimenity that ever healthed. Or something.
Which of course, no one in the media will seriously question: or just go and obsess on Joe Biden’s sore throat or Elizabeth Warren’s warts or whatever for “balanced coverage”…
Thing is, if Trump were to literally stroke out (a major though non-lethal stroke) on live TV during one of those ridiculous rallies of his, I’d think there’d be no way the media could ignore it or sweep it under the rug. It would instantly become the hot issue of the day.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
So to me, the takeaway here is that a random assortment of commenters on the LGF blog apparently exhibit a greater knowledge of international geography than the US Secretary of State….
Yay us!!!.
re: #43 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
I was proud I got the ‘Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan’ selections right
That guy wanted to be president!
Dershowitz still won’t come out and say that Trump is above the law.
Derpowitz argues that quid pro quos for personal interests are totally cool, because (according to him) every politician believes his election is vital to the national interest and so that can’t be viewed as a corrupt intent.
re: #57 Targetpractice
Derpowitz argues that quid pro quos for personal interests are totally cool, because (according to him) every politician believes his election is vital to the national interest and so that can’t be viewed as a corrupt intent.
That can’t be real.
re: #47 Charles Johnson
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The prez hasn’t claimed ep afaik
He claimed absolute priv. Which isn’t a thing
( Neither is ep really)
re: #15 Hecuba’s daughter
Only true if every Democratic ad points out that the House passed hundreds of bills that the “Grim Reaper” let die on his desk. Republicans are what happens when you live in the mirror universe of Star Trek: their Robin Hood steals from the poor to give to the rich.
re: #57 Targetpractice
Derpowitz argues that quid pro quos for personal interests are totally cool, because (according to him) every politician believes his election is vital to the national interest and so that can’t be viewed as a corrupt intent.
Cool. When I rob a bank to pay for my kid’s college, it’ll be totally OK.
This dude straight up lit a joint in front of the judge while in court for a drug possession charge pic.twitter.com/DBM7oCI0nV
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) January 29, 2020
re: #62 gocart mozart
He got hit with 2 more criminal counts for that bold move
re: #52 Dr Lizardo
Thing is, if Trump were to literally stroke out (a major though non-lethal stroke) on live TV during one of those ridiculous rallies of his, I’d think there’d be no way the media could ignore it or sweep it under the rug. It would instantly become the hot issue of the day.
He can blink his eyes in code and Kelly Ann can read it so no 25th amendment//
re: #58 Mike Lamb
That can’t be real.
I used to tell myself this a lot in relation to all the stupid shit the Trump gang does. I’ve since learned to never assume, no matter how crazy it sounds, that stuff like that is made up.
re: #63 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
10 days in jail for contempt of court plus a breach of peace charge.
What will happen sooner - the NYtimes interviewing these voters, or aerodynamic swine?
Kendi wrote great piece about how most important, overlooked swing voters are PoC who swing b/w voting Dem & not voting at all. Greatest thing working against Dems in this moment is their refusal to focus on these voters. Stacy Abrams also argues this well https://t.co/F0yLBgzmFF
— Bree Newsome Bass (@BreeNewsome) January 29, 2020
re: #66 gocart mozart
10 days in jail for contempt of court plus a breach of peace charge.
Probably worth it for the sheer win of the story he gets to tell forever.
Repeat after me: Everyone was in the loop.
— Whee the People (@SJPeek) January 29, 2020
Dershowitz’s arguments are getting increasingly bizarre.
I guess that’s what happens when you’re defending an obviously guilty criminal. https://t.co/sCti0h3IdV— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2020
re: #70 Charles Johnson
“You can rob a bank if you think you’d make better use of your neighbor’s savings account.” - shorter Dershowitz https://t.co/tmqxfWpJkL
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 29, 2020
Dershowitz’s argument a few moments ago is just incredibly dumb and disingenuous. The point isn’t that Trump thought his Ukraine policy might be good for his reelection efforts. His demand was for Ukraine to intervene in the US election.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 29, 2020
re: #52 Dr Lizardo
Thing is, if Trump were to literally stroke out (a major though non-lethal stroke) on live TV during one of those ridiculous rallies of his, I’d think there’d be no way the media could ignore it or sweep it under the rug. It would instantly become the hot issue of the day.
Though it’s not too hard to imagine the reaction of the RWMN in that scenario: a 24/7 orgy of lachrymose sentimentality, pietistic prayer-vigiling, and an obsessive quest to find Somebody Else to blame/castigate over their Dear Leader’s health crisis. After all, it really isn’t “bad news” as long as a Democrat/liberal can be raked over for it…..
(my guess would be something like Fox or OAN dredging up some asshole blogger with 20 followers somewhere gloating over Trump’s stroke with “rutabaga” “pumpkin” jokes, and having it extensively re-posted as a Horrific Example Of The Callous Viciousness Of The Left…. With ample commentary, of course)
Dog people get me. Dogs too. #DogsFurMike pic.twitter.com/gGejm10vZQ
— Mike Bloomberg (@MikeBloomberg) January 29, 2020
re: #73 Jay C
Though it’s not too hard to imagine the reaction of the RWMN in that scenario: a 24/7 orgy of lachrymose sentimentality, pietistic prayer-vigiling, and an obsessive quest to find Somebody Else to blame/castigate over their Dear Leader’s health crisis. After all, it really isn’t “bad news” as long as a Democrat/liberal can be raked over for it…..
(my guess would be something like Fox or OAN dredging up some asshole blogger with 20 followers somewhere gloating over Trump’s stroke with “
rutabaga” “pumpkin” jokes, and having it extensively re-posted as a Horrific Example Of The Callous Viciousness Of The Left…. With ample commentary, of course)
Not to mention the endless stream of conspiracy theories, things like “heart attack machines” or “Deep State bioweapons” or similar bullshit. It’d be nonstop.
Last night I mentioned here that I was bummed that this snarky tweet got me significant VERY unwanted attention from QAnon types. I certainly knew OF QAnon before last night, but hadn’t interacted with any of these maniacs online or otherwise.
Well overnight it was time for QAnon folks in Europe to check into my mentions as well. It’s downright distressing to me that this type of mass delusion has a following beyond the borders of Trump’s America.
I…uh…don’t think these people are going to become reasonable Republicans once Trump is gone no matter what Joe Biden says.
The President has determined it was in the national interest to detain all registered members of the Democratic Party the weekend before Election Day
— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀😷(beware of Captain Trips) (@FormerDirtDart) January 29, 2020
Oh, also…once again we have gone from Trump’s enablers saying:
He didn’t do this thing you are accusing him of!!!11!!
to:
It’s actually ok that he did this thing you are accusing him of!!!11!!
Every. Goddamn. Time.
re: #76 bratwurst
Last night I mentioned here that I was bummed that this snarky tweet got me significant VERY unwanted attention from QAnon types. I certainly knew OF QAnon before last night, but hadn’t interacted with any of these maniacs online or otherwise.
Well overnight it was time for QAnon folks in Europe to check into my mentions as well. It’s downright distressing to me that this type of mass delusion has a following beyond the borders of Trump’s America.
I…uh…don’t think these people are going to become reasonable Republicans once Trump is gone no matter what Joe Biden says.
Those people aren’t Biden’s target anyway. Biden’s target are the type of Democrats that live in MA, those who don’t really have to interact with crazy Republicans, and those in Iowa, those whose Republican neigbors buy their childrens’ fundraiser items and go to the same school functions.
re: #75 Dr Lizardo
Not to mention the endless stream of conspiracy theories, things like “heart attack machines” or “Deep State bioweapons” or similar bullshit. It’d be nonstop.
“Soros-financed stealth drones laying a toxic chemtrail”
“Chinese Iranian hacked tech inducing a stroke though coded flashes in the Teleprompter”
Paraphrased question: “Since impeachment holds up all Senate business, how wrong is the House for asking us to hear from witnesses in a trial?”
re: #78 bratwurst
Oh, also…once again we have gone from Trump’s enablers saying:
He didn’t do this thing you are accusing him of!!!11!!
to:
It’s actually ok that he did this thing you are accusing him of!!!11!!
Every. Goddamn. Time.
What else can they do? Trump is guilty as charged, beyond the ability of the RW noise machine and its both-siderist fellow travelers to pretend otherwise.
So now the GOP ‘case’ comes down to ‘we have the votes in the Senate, fuck you’.
To which the best D response is ‘we’ll have the votes in November, in margins large enough to stop you from stealing the elections, so fuck you right back, with rusty farm implements’.
Roberts looked like he just sucked on a lemon when reading the portion of the question that says he can rule on claims of executive privilege.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
Er, thanks. It’s right up there with the Purple Fart my National Guard unit gave me for being accidentally shot.
re: #82 EPR-radar
So now the GOP ‘case’ comes down to ‘we have the votes in the Senate, fuck you’.
Then why won’t you take them?
re: #81 Targetpractice
Paraphrased question: “Since impeachment holds up all Senate business, how wrong is the House for asking us to hear from witnesses in a trial?”
I mean, they could be appointing more fascists to the federal bench instead.
Which pizza would you rather have, pickle pizza or pineapple pizza? Or both?
A base of white garlic sauce and mozzarella cheese covered with sliced dill pickles and sprinkled with dill weed. https://t.co/pzl7G07sDD
— Atlas Obscura (@atlasobscura) January 29, 2020
Philbin back up to field question about how bad it would be if executive privilege was ruled upon in order to hear from witnesses in the Senate, basically argues that exec privilege is absolute because otherwise advisors would not be honest with presidents.
re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Yeah, this is a really fucking slippery slope.
re: #87 NO SMOCKING GUN!
I mean, they could be appointing more fascists to the federal bench instead.
That’s the implication, but Philbin spun it as “House will just hold up the Senate by firing off frivolous impeachments left and right.”
re: #7 I Would Prefer Not To
The only thing positive is that it looks to me that this is impossible to wrap up prior to the State of the Union. I was a Nancy doubter, but her timing seems perfect.
“It’s not enough to have a monkey wrench.
You have to know when to use it.”
Milton Ferrell, Jr.
re: #88 The Pie Overlord!
Which pizza would you rather have, pickle pizza or pineapple pizza? Or both?
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Garlic dills? Maybe.
Sweet gherkins? Oh, fuck no.
Philbin declaring that Bolton can’t be called because, even though he’s been off the job for months, he once advised the president and thus cannot be expected to offer testimony on anything they discussed.
So there’s a tiny kernel of truth to the “drink bleach regimen” promoted by the QAnon quacks.
In cases of real disaster, without any bottled or boiled water, putting a _couple_ of drops of certain types of unscented bleach with no added chemicals per liter of water is advised, even by reputable sources.
Emergency disinfection of drinking water — EPA.gov
I,e, in an emergency or SHTF situation.
It’s this snake oil called MMS or using bleach beyond the limited type of and quantities of recommended that’s the problem.
FDA warms consumers about dangerous and potentially life threatening side effects from MMS
re: #94 Targetpractice
Philbin declaring that Bolton can’t be called because, even though he’s been off the job for months, he once advised the president and thus cannot be expected to offer testimony on anything they discussed.
They really want an elected monarch.
I am really impressed with Jason Crow. Clear and concise.
re: #96 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
They really want an elected monarch.
Pretty much. Philbin’s argument is not a legal one but a political one, namely that the fear of being caught making embarrassing/illegal advice would stop advisors from offering said advice to a future president.
That Latest Dersh Argument Was So Disingenuous and Moronic It Needs a Bit of Unpacking https://t.co/MhOtRDs50I via @TPM
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 29, 2020
Dershowitz argument flips the whole equation on its head. He’s arguing that “This is in the National Interest, and therefore likely to get me reelected” is the same as “This is likely to get me reelected, and therefore is in the National Interest.” This is like when you first learn about logic, but don’t really get it completely, so you argue that
If A, then B.
Therefore if B, then A.
Which is obviously horseshit, and probably why the Venn Diagram was invented.
re: #98 Targetpractice
Pretty much. Philbin’s argument is not a legal one but a political one, namely that the fear of being caught making embarrassing/illegal advice would stop advisors from offering said advice to a future president.
But then you know a Democratic President actually doing their job will be met with outrage by the same people who have argued there are no limits on executive privilege.
re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White
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Dershowitz argument flips the whole equation on its head. He’s arguing that “This is in the National Interest, and therefore likely to get me reelected” is the same as “This is likely to get me reelected, and therefore is in the National Interest.” This is like when you first learn about logic, but don’t really get it completely, so you argue that
Which is obviously horseshit, and probably why the Venn Diagram was invented.
If it was in the national interests, why was Rudy involved?
re: #90 Eclectic Cyborg
Yeah, this is a really fucking slippery slope.
It’s off a fucking cliff. It’s straight up “benevolent” dictator bullshit.
Reload 99. I simplified the bad argument.
Has the term “National Interest” ever been used before in regards to the election of a certain individual to the Presidency?
Seems like a really tough sell to me because IMO most of the things that are in our “National Interest” should be ideally apolitical, i.e. shit that should happen regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House.
re: #95 aatharuv
So there’s a tiny kernel of truth to the “drink bleach regimen” — in cases of real disaster, without any bottled or boiled water, putting a _couple_ of drops of certain types of unscented bleach with no added chemicals per liter of water is advised, even by reputable sources.
Emergency disinfection of drinking water — EPA.gov
I,e, in an emergency or SHTF situation.
It’s this snake oil called MMS or using bleach beyond the limited type of and quantities of recommended that’s the problem.
FDA warms consumers about dangerous and potentially life threatening side effects from MMS
I weighed in on this two threads ago. Essentially the argument (when they’re saying chlorine dioxide isn’t bleach, the stuff they sell for laundry [sodium hypochlorite] is bleach, in other words, something like Biblical legalism) is “see, even water systems or emergency situations use chlorine dioxide, therefore more can’t be harmful.”
Try that with potentially lethal medications, like my epilepsy meds. You’ll get “that’s different because reasons” from them.
The dosage as always is the key, including with chlorine dioxide.
re: #52 Anymouse 🌹🎃
MMS creates chlorine dioxide.
My town doesn’t normally treat water at all (only when we fail a microbe test). When we do, we use Clorox concentrate (8% sodium hypochlorite, rather than the usual strength of Clorox).
Chlorine dioxide is allowed to be used, but is much more dangerous to handle and has to be more closely monitored, with a warning sent out to water customers and the state government if the maximum permitted (the maximum residual disinfectant level) is exceeded in any water test.
The maximum allowed is 0.8mg/L in a water system. This is significantly below what MMS strength is mixed to.
The warning a town using chlorine dioxide as a disinfectant which exceeds the state limit is:
Some infants and young children who drink water containing chlorine dioxide in excess of the MRDL could experience nervous system effects. Similar effects may occur in fetuses of pregnant women who drink water containing chlorine dioxide in excess of the MRDL. Some people may experience anemia.
Add for public notification only:The chlorine dioxide violations reported today include exceedances of the Department of Health and Human Services Regulation and Licensure standard within the distribution system that delivers water to consumers. Violations of the chlorine dioxide standard within the distribution system may harm human health based on short-term exposures. Certain groups, including fetuses, infants, and young children, may be especially susceptible to nervous system effects from excessive chlorine dioxide exposure.
These chowderheads want to drink many times the allowable limit in a public water supply.
If we used chlorine dioxide in our public water system and we exceeded the state maximum at any one test point, we would be required to send out the notification to all the customers, and send a so-called Level 1 report to the state (essentially a five-alarm fire).
They would tell us to dump our water tower and flush the town’s water lines, refill everything, and keep doing it until we tested within the state maximum.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
8/10. Messed up in the still-vexed Balkans
These questions from Republicans are amazingly ludicrous and stupid. We truly are living in the dumbest of dumbass timelines. https://t.co/YnL8JUnQcO pic.twitter.com/6ShmuLKlm5
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2020
re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Fixed the part in that comment where the warning from the state was dropped. Recycle the comment to see the warning.
re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg
Has the term “National Interest” ever been used before in regards to the election of a certain individual to the Presidency?
Seems like a really tough sell to me because IMO most of the things that are in our “National Interest” should be ideally apolitical, i.e. shit that should happen regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House.
Interestingly, if the GOP buys into this, that means that even if Obama HAD ordered the DOJ to spy on Trump, it’s not impeachable, or even wrong.
Basically Graham and Cruz asked Schiff about whether his hypothetical ask on Obama’s behalf of Medvedev to investigate Romney would be cool if there were allegations that Romney’s son was being paid by a corrupt company. Schiff basically told the morons that such is ridiculous, asking a foreign power to investigate your political rival is wrong period.
re: #94 Targetpractice
Philbin declaring that Bolton can’t be called because, even though he’s been off the job for months, he once advised the president and thus cannot be expected to offer testimony on anything they discussed.
exec priv - such as it is - does not cover every conversation or interaction
re: #107 Charles Johnson
“Question from Senator Cruz to the House Managers:
Isn’t it true that Chewbacca, a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk, but lives on Endor?”
re: #111 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
exec priv - such as it is - does not cover every conversation or interaction
Also doesn’t apply to a willing witness.
Even in the rare instances we use Clorox in our water system, the injector takes about two days to inject half a gallon. (It runs maybe a teaspoon every few seconds when the well pumps are on).
That’s half a gallon over a few days into a water tower that holds 36,000 gallons of water.
re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg
Has the term “National Interest” ever been used before in regards to the election of a certain individual to the Presidency?
Seems like a really tough sell to me because IMO most of the things that are in our “National Interest” should be ideally apolitical, i.e. shit that should happen regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House.
^^^^this is a great definition
— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀😷(beware of Captain Trips) (@FormerDirtDart) January 29, 2020
re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White
“Question from Senator Cruz to the House Managers:
Isn’t it true that Chewbacca, a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk, but lives on Endor?”
I’d send a campaign donation to any House Manager who asked “Sen. Cruz, are you employing the Chewbacca Defence?”
re: #114 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Even in the rare instances we use Clorox in our water system, the injector takes about two days to inject half a gallon. (It runs maybe a teaspoon every few seconds when the well pumps are on).
That’s half a gallon over a few days into a water tower that holds 36,000 gallons of water.
there you go with facts and data and math (of which i heard there wasnt going to be any of) and stuff
re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White
Also doesn’t apply to a willing witness.
Philbin basically argues that it does because Bolton’s conversations with Trump are privileged, so he can’t be expected to testify on privileged conversations.
Philbin says the Senate has no business calling new witnesses who didn’t testify in the House.
Rep. Jeffries responds that, as @CREWcrew reported, the Senate has called new witnesses in every impeachment trial it completed in its two centuries!https://t.co/AvAjl1Bgpa— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) January 29, 2020
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
Me too.
That was fun.
Philbin again up to BS that the House must vote on every single subpoena in an impeachment investigations and such subpoenas can only be issued after the House passes a bill initiating impeachment investigations.
re: #119 Targetpractice
Philbin basically argues that it does because Bolton’s conversations with Trump are privileged, so he can’t be expected to testify on privileged conversations.
He can’t be forced to, but everything I’ve read says the President cannot invoke Executive Privilege to stop someone who wants to from testifying, nor to stop them from answering any question. Witnesses may refuse to answer questions by invoking executive privilege, but that’s different.
May as well. https://t.co/UvozhOySnN
— David B. Larter (@DavidLarter) January 29, 2020
re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White
He can’t be forced to, but everything I’ve read says the President cannot invoke Executive Privilege to stop someone who wants to from testifying, nor to stop them from answering any question. Witnesses may refuse to answer questions by invoking executive privilege, but that’s different.
and as i understand it, if someone did testify while the prez claims EP, there’s no penalty - legal or otherwise. nothing he could do.
i mean other than head on a pike tweeting and stuff
re: #118 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
there you go with facts and data and math (of which i heard there wasnt going to be any of) and stuff
“I was told there would be no math.” /s
So that everyone is clear, Trump’s team is simultaneously arguing that the House should enforce its subpoenas in court *and* that it is unconstitutional for a court to enforce the House’s subpoenas.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) January 29, 2020
nadler is getting EP and absolute immunity exactly right
If you indict eggplant then next is buffalo wings.
re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White
He can’t be forced to, but everything I’ve read says the President cannot invoke Executive Privilege to stop someone who wants to from testifying, nor to stop them from answering any question. Witnesses may refuse to answer questions by invoking executive privilege, but that’s different.
Philbin’s offering the legal equivalent of an NDA, that exec privilege can be invoked to prevent any witnesses from testifying against him.
re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White
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I’m waiting for one of these clowns to use the time honored doctrine of heads I win, tails you lose to explain this.
re: #133 Targetpractice
Philbin’s offering the legal equivalent of an NDA, that exec privilege can be invoked to prevent any witnesses from testifying against him.
Trump’s free defense team is worth every penny he’s paying them.
Take a few grams of my epilepsy med, and it will kill you no matter how much you weigh. That’s why a couple states misused it for the death penalty.
Take proper dosages and you get different effects depending on dosage (in lowering dosage anticonvulsant, sleep, hypnotic).
Pump that lethal dosage into our water tower and you won’t get anything at all except a homeopathic remedy.
re: #134 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I’m waiting for one of these clowns to use the time honored doctrine of heads I win, tails you lose to explain this.
Since they’re arguing on both sides of pretty much every question, yeah.
re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White
Trump’s free defense team is worth every penny he’s paying them.
dont forget your tax dollars are paying for some of them, like cipolloni
im surprised we havent seen Barr up there yet
re: #136 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Take a few grams of my epilepsy med, and it will kill you no matter how much you weigh. That’s why a couple states misused it for the death penalty.
Take proper dosages and you get different effects depending on dosage (in lowering dosage anticonvulsant, sleep, hypnotic).
Pump that lethal dosage into our water tower and you won’t get anything at all except a homeopathic remedy.
Like the Dara O’Briain bit on Homeopathy -
“Homeopathy! How many times does it have to be said - IT’S WATER!… and then they say, ‘Well, at least you can’t overdose!’ No, but you can fuckin’ DROWN!”
#Lofgren says you could have a crime not impeachable - like destroying a Postal mail box. But a Prez can be impeached for corrupt & detrimental abuse of office. #ImpeachmentTrial
— Maya Wiley (@mayawiley) January 29, 2020
Donald Trump is the most corrupt president in history—and if we want to beat him in 2020, we need to draw the sharpest possible distinction with his corruption. I’m running to root out corruption in Washington and make government work for everyone. pic.twitter.com/5P22lb6Sqd
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) January 29, 2020
“If this was a specific debate about policy, a debate about corruption, a debate about burden sharing - then let’s have the documents that would show that…
Because the documents and witnesses that we have talked about show the exact opposite.” - @RepJasonCrow pic.twitter.com/ifdTz7aAHV— House Intelligence Committee (@HouseIntel) January 29, 2020
re: #138 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
dont forget your tax dollars are paying for some of them, like cipolloni
im surprised we havent seen Barr up there yet
I gotta tell you, this whole thing is depressing me. We’re really in danger of becoming a completely post-truth society, where nothing matters. Dershowitz is arguing, in the well of the Senate, that the President can do anything he believes will ensure his reelection, as long as he thinks his reelection is in the national interest. And a bit over half the Senate is nodding along, essentially saying, “Yes! Take away our last prerogative as an independent body! Make us wholly an instrument of the President’s whim!”
— Franzén (@SectionIX) January 29, 2020
schiff says “pound sand” and boy do i know how that feels
re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White
I gotta tell you, this whole thing is depressing me. We’re really in danger of becoming a completely post-truth society, where nothing matters. Dershowitz is arguing, in the well of the Senate, that the President can do anything he believes will ensure his reelection, as long as he thinks his reelection is in the national interest. And a bit over half the Senate is nodding along, essentially saying, “Yes! Take away our last prerogative as an independent body! Make us wholly an instrument of the President’s whim!”
I’ve been worrying about that since Trump’s election. And they set it up from the start with KAC’s “alternative facts.”
re: #145 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
Mrs. FBW, having forgotten the whole thing we went through 5 years ago about how making a pond for the Red Eared Sliders is FAR more complicated than simply digging a hole and filling it with water, this weekend suggested we should make a pond for them - “How hard could it be?”
(insert Nathan Fillion GIF here)
re: #83 Dr Lizardo
Sanity break.
Some good seamanship here - mooring a passenger/cargo ship, the Camellia Maru, in rough seas.
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Oh, big whoop. I have totally done that myself.
(OK, OK, it was a 22 foot sloop. In a protected marina. And the deck was not moving nearly as much. And the water was a lot quieter. But still, pretty much the same even though it was totally different..)
re: #106 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!
8/10. Messed up in the still-vexed Balkans
10/10. Only tough one was one of the stans in Central Asia.
Meanwhile, locusts swarm Kenya (pictured here), Ethiopia, and Somalia in some of the biggest numbers seen in a quarter century
(pic by Ben Curtis) pic.twitter.com/gWoALYt6pN— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) January 29, 2020
* GOOGLE - CONFIRMS THAT IS TEMPORARILY SHUTTING DOWN ALL CHINA OFFICES DUE TO CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK
(via @reuters) $GOOGL— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) January 29, 2020
Yeah, odds are that everyone was told to WFH. They aren’t going to shut things down and have everyone doing nothing. It’ll all be remote, and maybe a handful of people who have to man the servers in case of emergency are on standby.
It’s called business continuity planning.
re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg
8/10. Though a couple were admittedly wild guesses.
7 of 10. I was fine until we got into the uzbecky becky becky stans.
re: #149 NO SMOCKING GUN!
10/10. Only tough one was one of the stans in Central Asia.
I think you’re the only 10/10 so far. That said, impressed with how everyone has done. It’s a difficult area. I remember when I took Chinese history, I had to locate all the provinces and major cities on a map within a week or two of taking the class. That was tough but it was a good test. That was a challenging class. I didn’t do as well in it as in some of my other classes but the professor was a great one.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
I got 9/10 (I missed Turkmenistan).
re: #152 steve_davis
7 of 10. I was fine until we got into the uzbecky becky becky stans.
Kazakhstan I always remember because of Borat and IIRC it’s deceivingly large in landmass.
re: #145 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
schiff says “pound sand” and boy do i know how that feels
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That’s no minor project you got goin’ there…bravo!
re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🎃
I got 9/10 (I missed Turkmenistan).
That was the tough one. I narrowed it down to two possibilities, and made a lucky guess.
re: #155 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Kazakhstan I always remember because of Borat and IIRC it’s deceivingly large in landmass.
One of nieces spent more than three years there when she served in the Peace Corps so that was an easy peasy first question.
We’ve found him: the man with absolutely no sense of humor not awareness of memes: https://t.co/DQsvoxOjrs
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) January 29, 2020
re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth
One of nieces spent more than three years there when she served in the Peace Corps so that was an easy peasy first question.
That part of the world is one of those regions I’d like to learn more about. It’s an intersection of the Slavic, Turkic, and Arabic world. And then you’ve got the other groups like the Georgians, Armenians, and others.
And totally discounts the expedited process that the Chief Justice would preside over. Stop with the ….it’s just too hard to hear the facts. Truth? The boss wants to be cleared before the Super Bowl.
— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) January 29, 2020
I’ve had trials in the Richmond traffic court, and I had cases in the U.S. Supreme Court. I had trials that lasted an hour, and I had trials that lasted weeks. Not once in 17 years did I ever have a trial where there were not witnesses or documents. Not once.
— Tim Kaine (@timkaine) January 29, 2020
So you hired a guy to be National Security Advisor of the United States against objections from your staff who you believed would get us into “World War Six by now”? Sounds like you don’t possess the judgment necessary to discharge the duties of the office. https://t.co/jEdC1rOLhE
— Andrew Wortman (@AmoneyResists) January 29, 2020
Smartasses Graham and Cruz humiliated by @RepAdamSchiff: “There are legitimate ways to have an investigation conducted…but under no circumstances do you go outside your legitimate law enforcement process to ask a foreign power to investigate your rival.” pic.twitter.com/uuScRN2Y7C
— Richard Hine (@richardhine) January 29, 2020
You remember Senator Johnson. He’s one of the guys who went to Moscow on the 4th of July. https://t.co/OvZWnASQ99
— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) January 29, 2020
Dershowitz’s argument boils down to this: the only way you can prove Trump intended to benefit himself in the quid pro quo is if he admits it…FROM HIS OWN MOUTH. Not if a witness relays what Trump said, not based on what he did, only based on a confession. It’s absurd.
— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) January 29, 2020
The idea that Bolton would draft a manuscript that contains “significant amounts of classified information” is ridiculous. He knows what’s classified and what’s not. This is tampering with the pre-publication process to intimidate and achieve political ends. https://t.co/nncMnKu66c
— Michael R. Bromwich (@mrbromwich) January 29, 2020
Harris asks: “Trump said ‘When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.’ Then he said Article II ‘let’s him do whatever he wants.’ If the senate fails to hold him accountable, how would that affect the integrity of our system of justice?”pic.twitter.com/fN4uiehVOg
— Andrew Wortman (@AmoneyResists) January 29, 2020
re: #168 Dread Pirate
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This. Bolton is generally a horrible person, but he knows his asshole from his elbow on what is classified and what isn’t.
Back to the “Ukraine is better off under Trump than under Obama” BS.
re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth
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World War 6? But yeah, the buck never stops with President Stupid Stalin does it. And yeah he’s the one who hired Bolton not once but twice since Bolton was one of his advisers during the campaign.
Wish Senate Dems would ask Philbin to explain why, if these Javelin missiles are such a boon to Ukraine, why is the Trump admin forbidding their use against Russia.
re: #171 Targetpractice
Back to the “Ukraine is better off under Trump than under Obama” BS.
Just like Trump is “tougher” on Russia.
re: #173 Targetpractice
Wish Senate Dems would ask Philbin to explain why, if these Javelin missiles are such a boon to Ukraine, why is the Trump admin forbidding their use against Russia.
Yes points to the first person who asks that. Destroy the argument that Trump gives a shit.
Philbin actually stupid enough to point out how it’s a great move on the WH’s part that they kept the hold secret because “it didn’t send a signal to Russia.”
The founders were worried about a corrupt president. They did not envision that an entire party could be thoroughly corrupt. Oops. https://t.co/GgeRMM4FM5
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) January 29, 2020
re: #153 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I think you’re the only 10/10 so far. That said, impressed with how everyone has done. It’s a difficult area. I remember when I took Chinese history, I had to locate all the provinces and major cities on a map within a week or two of taking the class. That was tough but it was a good test. That was a challenging class. I didn’t do as well in it as in some of my other classes but the professor was a great one.
Ahem. See #85
re: #121 Ming5000
Me too.
That was fun.
I like the fact it’s Radio Free Europe trolling Pompeo. (Including adding Bangladesh to the quiz.)
….many more mistakes of judgement, gets fired because frankly, if I listened to him, we would be in World War Six by now, and goes out and IMMEDIATELY writes a nasty & untrue book. All Classified National Security. Who would do this?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 29, 2020
World War Six huh?
I guess three, four and five would all be over pretty quick.
As though none of the 25,000 civilian helicopters operating around the world would ever run into trouble for any other reason, and no other news events will occur during an impeachment trial except as willful distractions. These people are flat out evil.
— Lord Piltdown (@jimreynolds54) January 29, 2020
QUESTION 28, from King for both sides:
Trump’s former chief of staff, John Kelly, has reportedly said, ‘I believe John Bolton.’ Do you agree he should be heard?— Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) January 29, 2020
I’d like a Senate Dem to ask Trump’s lawyers to explain what would stop a Dem POTUS from retaliating against McConnell by pressuring China to announce an investigation of his wife’s family shipping company—so long as said POTUS claimed to be concerned about corruption.
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) January 29, 2020
Again: the US/EU issue with Shokin was that he would not probe elite corruption, since he was allegedly corrupt himself. Former deputy said the probe of Burisma’s owner was dormant. US ambassador publicly accused Shokin’s office of protecting the owner. https://t.co/bwK997ch7n
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 29, 2020
Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable. Trump wants to hold a Klan rally at Metlife
Based on everything else Trump’s done with these rallies, it’d be a shitshow and Fox will have to cut away because it goes to 11 on the weird shitometer.
And now a little time for some conspiracy theorizing about the whistleblower.
re: #181 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
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By Dershowitz’s reasoning, a GOP president could apparently have members of Congress murdered if he claimed to think it was ‘in the national interest’.
Perhaps someone should point out to Republican Senators that being insufficiently loyal to Trump could be enough to get on that kind of hit list.
I can’t believe we’re seeing GOP Senators excitedly taking notes on a line of thinking that could see them murdered.
Remove Trump organizers planned a “silent formation” at the Hart Senate building, but Capitol Police said any lining up would be an illegal protest. So we’re milling around instead, since that’s deemed legal. There are hundreds of us, some obscured by the Calder sculpture. pic.twitter.com/XFLsBMBhJ7
— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) January 29, 2020
Some of the demonstrators are engaged in civil disobedience and will be subject to arrest because they won’t leave the Capitol steps as ordered. pic.twitter.com/6ADVwzfSl2
— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) January 29, 2020
It’s hard to see from where police have pushed back the bulk of the crowd, but they’ve started arrests of protesters on the Capitol steps. Crowd chanting, “Shame! Shame! Shame!” For first offense, it’s a $50 ticket with no court appearance. For repeaters, it may mean jail. pic.twitter.com/QzSpUe8J2i
— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) January 29, 2020
then this:
You have my permission. But next time hire a journalist. They need paying jobs!
— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) January 29, 2020
re: #185 lawhawk
Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable. Trump wants to hold a Klan rally at Metlife
Based on everything else Trump’s done with these rallies, it’d be a shitshow and Fox will have to cut away because it goes to 11 on the weird shitometer.
Man, there’d be a sea of empty seats in that place if he did that.
re: #189 EPR-radar
By Dershowitz’s reasoning, a GOP president could apparently have members of Congress murdered if he claimed to think it was ‘in the national interest’.
Perhaps someone should point out to Republican Senators that being insufficiently loyal to Trump could be enough to get on that kind of hit list.
I can’t believe we’re seeing GOP Senators excitedly taking notes on a line of thinking that could see them murdered.
Well it depends, would they get a Federalist Society handpicked judge and a taxcut if they got murdered. These are hard decisions. But you’re absolutely right. This is creating a dangerous precedent. And I think that’s the thing that angers me most about how gutless these cowards are.
re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg
Man, there’d be a sea of empty seats in that place if he did that.
Or it would be like a Knicks-Nets game in Barclay Center - half filled with fans of the opposition. I could get behind that.
QUESTION 27, from Inhofe, Rounds, Wicker, Ernst, et. al. to Trump team:
Which had the greater military impact? Trump’s temporary pause of military aid to Ukraine? Or Obama’s steadfast refusal to provide lethal aid?— Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) January 29, 2020
re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth
Destroying a mailbox can be a felony. That would absolutely be impeachable.
Among the misdemeanor dispositions available are: 18 U.S.C. § 1701 (obstruction of mails generally); 18 U.S.C. § 1703(b) (opening,destroying, or detaining mail without authority); 18 U.S.C. § 1707 (theft of property used by postal service); and 18 U.S.C. § 1711 (misappropriation of postal funds). When the charge might best lie under 18 U.S.C. § 1705 (destruction of letter boxes or mail) or 18 U.S.C. § 1706 (injury to mail bags) and in other appropriate circumstances, an applicable misdemeanor may be found in 18 U.S.C. § 641 (theft of government property); or 18 U.S.C. § 1361 (destruction of government property).
Another round of “Obama was bad for not giving Ukraine the very missiles Trump says they can’t use against Russia.”
re: #189 EPR-radar
By Dershowitz’s reasoning, a GOP president could apparently have members of Congress murdered if he claimed to think it was ‘in the national interest’.
Perhaps someone should point out to Republican Senators that being insufficiently loyal to Trump could be enough to get on that kind of hit list.
I can’t believe we’re seeing GOP Senators excitedly taking notes on a line of thinking that could see them murdered.
You might say he’d have the GOP Caucus at his Becket and call….
re: #198 Mike Lamb
Good to see they are taking this seriously…
like this:
Per senior Senate GOP staffer, Roberts is “screening the questions” and “the question contains names of people who worked with Schiff and Schiff staff to start this whole mess in the House.” https://t.co/orzTyfjttD
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) January 29, 2020
Sorta like every woman you ever slept with. https://t.co/bwOFChyp2O
— Lexington (@5838Lex) January 29, 2020
re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth
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The only thing I find the least bit surprising re this incident is that Roberts actually exercised some diligence that failed to benefit GOPers.
Trump raised the “favor” he wanted from Zelensky the *second* Zelensky mentioned wanting Javelin missiles *because* he had successfully shaken down a Ukrainian president (Poroshenko) the year before (2018) using aid (Javelins) in exchange for action on an investigation (Manafort)
— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) January 22, 2020
at this point i’d like one of the mangers to say
“while prez trump has ordered a blanket ‘order’ refusing anyone to testify, anyone with courage still can and without any criminal or civil penalty”
People are sharing random facts and these 19 are amazing.https://t.co/XgXit6V6hU pic.twitter.com/Fs7us18Dsd
— The Poke (@ThePoke) January 29, 2020
Dear - @GOP & @WhiteHouse -
Who can I contact to verify this claim?
Where are the locations?
What are the companies?
Who are the workers? https://t.co/LhwOGuBqQD— Stephanie Ruhle (@SRuhle) January 29, 2020
“Under no circumstances do you go outside of your own legitimate law enforcement process to ask a foreign power to investigate your political rival… It’s remarkable to me that we even have to have this conversation.” - @RepAdamSchiff pic.twitter.com/jkbufWDnC1
— House Intelligence Committee (@HouseIntel) January 29, 2020
I can’t wait for the *third* GOP question about why did that weasel Obama not authorize the javelin missiles sooner, and why is President Trump so awesome for authorizing them?
It’s so incredibly relevant to the impeachment charges, it needs to be asked over and over again!— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) January 29, 2020
re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth
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And yet manufacturing is in recession and losing jobs. It’s almost as if he pulled this out of his ass, but I’m not sure how he could even reach his ass, having to work around Hannity and Graham and Dobbs…..
It sure sounds like they need those emails entered into the record.
re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth
That puts “Not tonight, I have a headache” in perspective. You gotta give those girls a hand for committment.
But what do you do when the Congress is willing to be obstructed? 🤷♀️ https://t.co/nbQBg1EjnO
— Kelly Magsamen (@kellymagsamen) January 29, 2020
Thus do we have the Dershowitz Rule, which will enshrine in the president*’s Article II powers the doctrine of Ratfcking Privilege. I am not entirely sure what country I landed in this afternoon. https://t.co/oVgBIsU2by
— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) January 29, 2020
Sen. Barrasso on @NBCNews says plan would be to move to immediately acquit on Friday night if in fact the Senate votes against calling additional witnesses
— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) January 29, 2020
re: #176 Targetpractice
Philbin actually stupid enough to point out how it’s a great move on the WH’s part that they kept the hold secret because “it didn’t send a signal to Russia.”
As if there are secrets that trmp keeps from Putin.
re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Hi all, and apologies if this has been asked and answered: has anyone seen Teleskiguy around, either here or on twitter? It doesn’t appear he’s been active for a couple of weeks.
re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth
Of course they’d try to fucking bury it on a Friday night.
I don’t think you have to blackmail horrible people into being horrible people, if that’s what you’re asking. https://t.co/XgoVUx7PIS
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 29, 2020
The White House is holding up Bolton’s book on classification grounds.
Guess who is likely overseeing this process?
John Eisenberg, who buried the whistleblower complaint on a secret server.
I talked to a former NSC official about how this could work:https://t.co/GQ99HqiJrd— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 29, 2020
Crow: “I would suggest the Senate subpoena those emails…”#WitnessesAndDocuments https://t.co/z4UPu5KXqn
— Laffy (@GottaLaff) January 29, 2020
gee i wonder if the questions and answers have been ‘coordinated’ //
re: #216 Flying Squirrel Girl
Hi all, and apologies if this has been asked and answered: has anyone seen Teleskiguy around, either here or on twitter? It doesn’t appear he’s been active for a couple of weeks.
I got him on FB, last checked in with him on Jan 15: he was past 100 days sobriety and pumped. I just pinged him.
re: #220 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
For an “innocent” guy, he’s sure fighting tooth and nail to keep the truth from getting out.
re: #223 BigPapa
I got him on FB, last checked in with him on Jan 15: he was past 100 days sobriety and pumped. I just pinged him.
Appreciated. I really like having him around here.
re: #185 lawhawk
Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable. Trump wants to hold a Klan rally at Metlife
Based on everything else Trump’s done with these rallies, it’d be a shitshow and Fox will have to cut away because it goes to 11 on the weird shitometer.
“We could fill the Meadowlands Arena two or three times,” Trump said. “Maybe we will do it in the summer.”
Meadowlands closed in 2015.
Trump worked with Poroshenko and used Javelin missile sales to force him to drop criminal investigations into Paul Manafort, yet Philbin’s up there suggesting that Poroshenko was beholden to Biden.
re: #226 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Meadowlands closed in 2015.
Now, when have facts ever stopped the hero of World War 4.
in response to question from wavering GOP Sens Collins and Murkowski, WH lawyer Philbin acknowledges that he cannot point to examples of Trump talking about Bidens and Ukraine corruption before former VP began his 2020 presidential campaign
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) January 29, 2020
re: #229 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
in response to question from wavering GOP Sens Collins and Murkowski, WH lawyer Philbin acknowledges that he cannot point to examples of Trump talking about Bidens and Ukraine corruption before former VP began his 2020 presidential campaign
Of course not. It wasn’t until Biden started to become a threat to his reelection that he started plotting.
This isn’t hard. Unless you’re a Republican senator.
Jesus Christ. When the full story of all the wacked-out conspiracy theory fuckery that went on at Mar-a-Lago comes out, it’s going to make banana republics look dignified and well-run
“He said he was with the DEA and all that, law enforcement,” said Leland McKee, a frequent Mar-a-Lago guest that de Caluwe pitched on his tracking software
“He was trying to solicit money from anyone he could get money from, and I knew there was something not quite right” (8/19)— Josh Lederman (@JoshNBCNews) January 29, 2020
Con men, drunks, grifters & liars.
Ladies & gentlemen: your Trump administration.
re: #231 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)
Jesus Christ. When the full story of all the wacked-out conspiracy theory fuckery that went on at Mar-a-Lago comes out, it’s going to make banana republics look dignified and well-run
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Ladies & gentlemen: your Trump administration.
I’m all for making Mar Al Lago a resort for immigrant kids separated from their families until they can get reunited with their folks and seizing the property from the Trump Crime Family.
re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg
Appreciated. I really like having him around here.
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Twitter just changed their format on Firefox again, there must be a trigger that causes that.
WH asked when did Trump first mention the Bidens and Burisma in regard to corruption, Philbin admits that July 25th first instance but then tries to BS that US policy against corruption in Ukraine always meant the Bidens and Burisma.
WH asked if anybody had told them that the Bolton manuscript was “problematic,” Philbin makes a quick non-denial denial before scampering away from the podium.
re: #219 aatharuv
Thanks for your informative comments on the issues of bleach in the water supply.
You’re welcome.
Moreover, when you inject sodium hypochlorite or chlorine dioxide into a water system for disinfectant, what you measure at test stations or people’s homes is the residual level of those chemicals. It’s the residual amount which is dangerous if it exceeds EPA standards.
Most of what is injected is converted through natural chemical processes to release chlorine gas to kill microbes.
When we use sodium hypochlorite here in town (we haven’t for nearly a year now), immediately the complaints come in from people in town: My water smells like bleach. How long are we going to have to put up with this? (The answer is “when we get two good microbe tests.” That usually only takes a day or two.)
re: #236 Dread Pirate
Twitter just changed their format on Firefox again, there must be a trigger that causes that.
I don’t know what’s going on, but as a non-registered viewer of twitter, I hate the changes.
re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Can You Survive The Pompeo Challenge? Name These Unmarked Countries
Annoyed. Only 7/10
Dang it! Only got 5. Didn’t get Ukraine. 😂
Schiff makes it clear he doesn’t know the whistleblower, hasn’t met the whistleblower, and that his staff did not help with, coach, or see the complaint before it came from the inspector general. “The conspiracy theory … is a total fiction.”
— Mark Sumner (@Devilstower) January 29, 2020
An official with the Trump campaign, @MattWolking, has tweeted the name of the alleged whistleblower just now via an RT. This is the second time he’s pushed out the alleged name.
— Sam Stein (@samstein) January 29, 2020
Schiff pointing out again something he pounded home before the earlier break: The WH is making a bad faith argument when they say that the House investigators violated “procedure” by not fighting every subpoena in the courts because the WH is in the same courts saying that the House has no right to sue for subpoenas to be enforced.
Schiff did his best rendition of “have you no decency, at long last” in that last answer to Ted Cruz and his co-signers, who tried to expose the whistleblower once again.
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 29, 2020
#Schiff effectively takes on the #Whistleblower distraction & says what his staff did to direct whistleblower to IG & reminds Senators of the imperative to protect theor identity. #ImpeachmentTrial
— Maya Wiley (@mayawiley) January 29, 2020
White House claim: They can’t point to evidence proving Trump’s legitimate interest in corruption because it’s not in House record.
Reality: The President’s legal team would have provided witnesses and documents if such exculpatory evidence exists. We subpoenaed it #TruthMatters pic.twitter.com/Fl9qAopskY— House Intelligence Committee (@HouseIntel) January 29, 2020
Many of the answers from the WH defense could have been written at the Kremlin. Let that sink in
— Joe Lockhart (@joelockhart) January 29, 2020
r’s keep using: will you respond to what the d manager just said…
they got nothing
If John Roberts had any desire to be “fair” at all, he wouldn’t allow that question unless the full Senate voted to overrule him.
It’s truly disgusting and Roberts knows it. And he doesn’t care because he’s a Republican.— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) January 29, 2020
Schiff makes clear that the “missing witness” rule isn’t necessary to infer that the WH refusing to obey subpoenas means they’ve something to hide, but here’s Philbin arguing that the rule can’t be applied because (again) the House didn’t follow “procedure.”
It’s not yet 3:30PM and it’s already getting dark. I thought I was in Nebraska, not Yukon.
Philbin pretty much just gave up the bad faith argument, that the WH would abide by any ruling against “absolute immunity,” by admitting the WH is challenging the existing rulings.
‘Very interesting indeed’: Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski praised for question that cornered Trump lawyerhttps://t.co/C0YrT8dl8j
— Raw Story (@RawStory) January 29, 2020
The WH counsel is leaning as heavily as they possibly can on the “procedure” BS, that they totally would have complied with House subpoenas if “procedure” had been followed, yet they also admit that they had every intent to fight that “procedure” as long as possible.
jeffries is tearing it up
re: #255 Targetpractice
The WH counsel is leaning as heavily as they possibly can on the “procedure” BS, that they totally would have complied with House subpoenas if “procedure” had been followed, yet they also admit that they had every intent to fight that “procedure” as long as possible.
this will blow up on them later
Jeffries doing a mike drop on the “procedure” BS, but don’t expect the WH to blink an eye.
re: #220 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Thread, third of four:
3/ …and Bolton’s lawyer accusing the White House of corrupting the vetting process for Bolton’s book by sharing the contents of the book with those outside the National Security Council’s Records Management Division….
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 29, 2020
so the issue is ‘grave’
and it s/b ‘beyond reasonable doubt’
but we shouldnt talk to all witnesses who have relevant information in order to get there
re: #234 Eric The Fruit Bat
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re: #260 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
so the issue is ‘grave’
and it s/b ‘beyond reasonable doubt’
but we shouldnt talk to all witnesses who have relevant information in order to get there
Schrodinger’s impeachment.
re: #260 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
so the issue is ‘grave’
and it s/b ‘beyond reasonable doubt’
but we shouldnt talk to all witnesses who have relevant information in order to get there
WH basically saying that the Dems got one bite at the apple, they failed to meet a standard that the WH only now asserts needs to be met to remove a president, so the Senate should vote against them.
Our Lady of Corruption has been sent up to the podium to tell the Senate what the WH “knows” about Hunter Biden’s work for Burisma.
re: #254 Dread Pirate
So Collins, Murkowski and Romney are the designated pro-witness votes and Gardner is not?
re: #261 Eclectic Cyborg
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Dog rides bus by herself every day to play in local park - then takes bus home again
re: #263 Targetpractice
WH basically saying that the Dems got one bite at the apple, they failed to meet a standard that the WH only now asserts needs to be met to remove a president, so the Senate should vote against them.
head in the sand verdict
heh
Before answering a fishing expedition about the whistleblower, Schiff puts up Grassley, Burr, and Romney’s statements supporting whistleblowers.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) January 29, 2020
re: #264 Targetpractice
Our Lady of Corruption has been sent up to the podium to tell the Senate what the WH “knows” about Hunter Biden’s work for Burisma.
that was particularly uncomfortable
and stupid
re: #265 ckkatz
So Collins, Murkowski and Romney are the designated pro-witness votes and Gardner is not?
maybe this is a way to position them so ultimately they can vote against witnesses
re: #270 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
that was particularly uncomfortable
and stupid
Looked again like a kid giving their book report, particularly when she had to hunt for that last date in her notes.
this is comically just throwing out random bits of info -who knows of what veracity- that says nothing.
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) January 29, 2020
Both sides asked about whether WH turned over any documents or witnesses that were requested to the House.
Philbin back to the “procedure” well, BSing that every subpoena had an issue that the WH challenged them on, that Trump never asserted “absolute immunity” or total refusal to cooperate.
“Hey, which one of us should press the case about how Hunter Biden looks corrupt?”
“How about the one of us who dropped a probe of Trump U after Trump donated $25,000 to our campaign?”
“Brillliant. They’ll never see it coming.”— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) January 29, 2020
re: #275 Targetpractice
Both sides asked about whether WH turned over any documents or witnesses that were requested to the House.
Philbin back to the “procedure” well, BSing that every subpoena had an issue that the WH challenged them on, that Trump never asserted “absolute immunity” or total refusal to cooperate.
They haven’t provided anything. They’ve just had a tantrum because they got caught.
Lofgren gets straight to the answer: the WH turned over nothing to the House in response to subpoenas.
“Ye shall know them by their works.” pic.twitter.com/psb7Mm1CvM
— D.K.R. Boyd (@ReflectingMan) January 29, 2020
re: #278 Targetpractice
Lofgren gets straight to the answer: the WH turned over nothing to the House in response to subpoenas.
Precisely. And for those keeping score at home, Nixon provided more. How bad is it that Nixon looks transparent? Drain the swamp indeed but start with the Trump WH.
It truly is 1984
Ted Cruz got 14,000 retweets, one from the Trump campaign, for a claim Lev Parnas was just ejected from the Senate gallery - saying “#CantMakeItUp.”
Parnas’ lawyer and people in the gallery say this didn’t happen. Parnas was in Washington but never entered the Senate. pic.twitter.com/kK8Zvbe2U4— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 29, 2020
Fake news Ted Cruz, makes up something that can’t be made up. Lev Parnas’ attorneys attended the trial, while Lev joined us for a unity walk & press conference. Lev wasn’t “ejected.” Read the news, check the facts, #callthewitnesses. Why not depose him now, Ted? Just let us know. https://t.co/PInidwLra6
— Joseph A. Bondy (@josephabondy) January 29, 2020
re: #271 Dangerman (slowly converting a pool into a pond)
maybe this is a way to position them so ultimately they can vote against witnesses
Yes, that is an interesting possibility.
As I understand it, McConnell’s highest priority is to re-elect his majority. And his second highest is to save Trump’s butt.
I was assuming that he would use the leeway of 3 pro-witness votes. But as you point out, giving cover so his majority could circle the wagons might work even better. At least in the short term.
What he gives up is a lot of congressional prerogatives. But he doesn’t seem too concerned about things like the Constitution anyway.
Jeffries responds. He cites U.S. v. Nixon (related to grand jury).
60/ pic.twitter.com/vxPsIiea2N— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) January 29, 2020
Tenn. lawmaker introduces resolution recognizing CNN, Washington Post as ‘fake news’
A local state lawmaker has introduced a bill recognizing CNN and the Washington Post as “fake news.”
The resolution by Rep. Micah Van Huss (R-Jonesborough) labels the two news outlets as “fake news and part of the media wing of the Democratic Party.”
It also condemns them for “denigrating our citizens and implying that they are weak-minded followers instead of people exercising their rights that our veterans paid for with their blood.”
“My constituents are tired of fake news, they’re tired of Republicans who don’t fight, so this resolution accomplishes both,” Van Huss told News Channel 11 Wednesday.
“Over 60% of Tennessee voters voted for President Trump, and CNN and The Washington Post denigrated them for doing that.”
I propose an LGF resolution labeling this Van Huss person as a fascist, a liar, a stooge, an ignoramus, and an enemy of America. Do I hear a second?
Lofgren also responded to question
65/ pic.twitter.com/PeyKjMyL0e— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) January 29, 2020
“You refused to answer the question on political bias.” Question keeps using phrase “so-called whistleblower”
Addressed to both sides
67/— Jennifer Taub (@jentaub) January 29, 2020
re: #243 makeitstop
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I know that everyone thinks doxxing is a horrible thing and should never be done to anyone, but I’m having a real hard time not advocating for every bit of information that can be found on this Wolking asshole to broadcast far and wide. Anyone got a good argument why it shouldn’t happen?
Dershowitz is really positive on getting away with crimes.
re: #285 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Tenn. lawmaker introduces resolution recognizing CNN, Washington Post as ‘fake news’
I propose an LGF resolution labeling this Van Huss person as a fascist, a liar, a stooge, an ignoramus, and an enemy of America. Do I hear a second?
This is a cult.
Dershowitz and Sekulow got their degrees from Trump Legal.
nadler nails dershowitz pretty well
It’s really starting to feel like Alan Dershowitz made a desperate wish on a monkey’s paw for one Presidential Pardon and this is the curse that comes with it
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 29, 2020
Now the explanation that Mulvaney didn’t say what he clearly said.
So basically the Trump lawyers’ arguments are that Trump can’t be impeached. For anything. He can abuse the most powerful office in the world as much as he likes because he believes it’s good for the country, and nobody can do a goddamned thing about it.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2020
re: #292 goddamnedfrank
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“Question for the President’s defense: Mr Dershowitz, are you fucking high?”
re: #293 jaunte
Now the explanation that Mulvaney didn’t say what he clearly said.
Trump’s legal team is denying that Mulvaney admitted a quid pro quo at his press conference in October, reading Mulvaney’s statement from later that day — which basically just took back everything he said and blamed the media.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 29, 2020
youre gonna put mulvaney into context instead of letting him talk for himself?
Satellite imagery suggests security patrols at N.K. nuclear test site https://t.co/D9kYsxSqk8
— Yonhap News Agency (@YonhapNews) January 29, 2020
re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White
I know that everyone thinks doxxing is a horrible thing and should never be done to anyone, but I’m having a real hard time not advocating for every bit of information that can be found on this Wolking asshole to broadcast far and wide. Anyone got a good argument why it shouldn’t happen?
I certainly do not.
re: #285 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Tenn. lawmaker introduces resolution recognizing CNN, Washington Post as ‘fake news’
I propose an LGF resolution labeling this Van Huss person as a fascist, a liar, a stooge, an ignoramus, and an enemy of America. Do I hear a second?
Second!
What did Hunter Biden do for the money, honey, and how did he get his kicks?
— 𝕧𝕒𝕟𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕒 𝕘𝕠𝕣𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕒 (@kronocide1) January 29, 2020
re: #288 jaunte
Dershowitz is really positive on getting away with crimes.
Well, he’s a liberal, donchaknow. ////
WH lawyers arguing that if you release a statement after getting caught saying something incriminating, then the initial statement must be ignored in toto.
— ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) January 29, 2020
LOLOLOLOLOL
GAME OVER! pic.twitter.com/yvMa6bPqfy
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 29, 2020
mulvaney either misspoke or garbled. yeah right
Honestly, the Dems might as well just keep submitting questions that are some form of “Please correct the BS the WH just spewed forth.”
Asking @AlanDersh what has happened to make him change his mind re:impeachment. Simple answer? Had to do it to get on TV.
— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) January 29, 2020
re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth
LOLOLOLOLOL
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But wait! Didn’t you call Bolton a liar earlier in the day?
Nadler makes a good point. One of the reasons we know that impeachment does not require a crime is because there’s no CRIMINAL PENALTY upon conviction.
He doesn’t go to jail, he doesn’t even get fined. He just has to STOP HURTING THE COUNTRY.— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) January 29, 2020
Wow, Senator Burr and the Trump defense combine to make a great point here — there’s some contradiction in his statements, so the Senate really *should* get Mulvaney under oath and clear all this up.
Great job, guys.— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) January 29, 2020
re: #305 Ace-o-aces
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Friend just posted this. As a lifelong resident of the DMV, I am really tired of the so called heartland shitting on us here. We’re Americans too.
Regarding NSC letter saying Bolton’s manuscript contained classified info, his attorney says he responded last Friday that they didn’t believe any of the info in chapter on Ukraine “could reasonably be considered classified.” Asked them to speed up review but got no response.
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) January 29, 2020
Pooh you’re from the Midwest. Good for you. That doesn’t give you license to shit on hardworking people who come here from all over to help run the government that the Midwest like the rest of the country relies on.
re: #289 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
This is a cult.
They’re like Pavlov’s dogs. Say the magic words, “socialist!”, “fake news!”, “gummint!”, etc. and they come slavering for their daily intake of bullshit indoctrination and snake oil ads. It is probably no accident that Pavlov and his dogs were Russian.
Pete is campaigning on the one and three.
It’s not a good look https://t.co/aesTiHltWi— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 29, 2020
re: #315 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Pooh you’re from the Midwest. Good for you. That doesn’t give you license to shit on hardworking people who come here from all over to help run the government that the Midwest like the rest of the country relies on.
The problem isn’t Washington. It’s the assholes that other assholes, especially in the “Heartland”, elect to send to Washington to do stupid things.
re: #318 Blind Frog Belly White
The problem isn’t Washington. It’s the assholes that other assholes, especially in the “Heartland”, elect to send to Washington to do stupid things.
Yep but that’s not what Pete said.
re: #313 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Friend just posted this. As a lifelong resident of the DMV, I am really tired of the so called heartland shitting on us here. We’re Americans too.
DMV? You’ve been waiting on line that long??
DMV is usually taken as the initials of the Department of Motor Vehicles - I’m guessing that not the case here??
The President’s Alchemists are transmuting abuse of power into maladministration and making all wrongdoing disappear.
re: #317 goddamnedfrank
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And here’s Dersh, again communing with the founders at his personal seance. What. An. Asshole.
re: #320 Jay C
DMV? You’ve been waiting on line that long??
DMV is usually taken as the initials of the Department of Motor Vehicles - I’m guessing that not the case here??
Sorry Jay, it’s what us locals call
D: DC
M: Maryland
V; Virginia
re: #319 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Yep but that’s not what Pete said.
Which was kinda my point.
I’m sorry that I sound pissy but I’ve had to deal with Republicans calling my home awful because people here work for the federal government. People from all over the world call this area home. It’s a place where many a first generation American lives the American dream.
It’s bribery Dersh. The obstruction is preventing us from seeing the evidence. So far.
Flap your wings and shake your fists some more, Dersh—it’s such a good look.
re: #320 Jay C
DMV? You’ve been waiting on line that long??
DMV is usually taken as the initials of the Department of Motor Vehicles - I’m guessing that not the case here??
My first thought, too, having spent many an idle hour in NYS DMV.
“Question for the President’s Defense Team: Mr. Dershowitz, are you aware how creepy it is to defend yourself from accusations of sex with a 13 year old girl by saying you kept your UNDERWEAR on?”
re: #321 jaunte
The President’s Alchemists are transmuting abuse of power into maladministration and making all wrongdoing disappear.
The Malapatriots are Making America Gratuitous Again.
re: #332 BigPapa
The Malapatriots are Making America Gratuitous Again.
“‘Wrong’ is just a synonym for ‘right’! ‘Black’ is a synonym for ‘white’! ‘No evidence’ is just the same as ‘too much evidence’!”
A high-ranking member of Zelensky’s administration in Kyiv told the Times that she’d heard about the hold on aid by July 30. https://t.co/aR5gjseZhG
— Philip Bump (@pbump) January 29, 2020
re: #330 makeitstop
My first thought, too, having spent many an idle hour in NYS DMV.
Yeah it’s a new one. I guess it hasn’t taken off yet. Anyhow appreciate you guys letting me blowing off steam. I don’t have a problem with South Bend, Indiana. I have a big problem with implying that makes you better than someone from Washington.
re: #335 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Yeah it’s a new one. I guess it hasn’t taken off yet. Anyhow appreciate you guys blowing off steam. I don’t have a problem with South Bend, Indiana. I have a big problem with implying that makes you better than someone from Washington.
It’s the very heart and soul of modern Republicanism, that certain people, by virtue of living in certain areas of the country and being a certain shade, practicing a certain religion, having a certain sexual orientation, and being a certain gender, are inherently more American than, you know - AMERICA.
when i listen to ‘Kiss Me’ by Sixpence None The Richer i am transported to when i was an angsty suburban caucasian girl who had a crush on the star QB. is this how white people feel about rap songs? i get it now. this is lit.
— Nate Marshall (@illuminatemics) January 29, 2020
re: #335 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I grew up in one of those Heartland small towns (central PA, farm community), and I gotta say, when Sarah Palin gave that speech about how “we grow good people in our small towns” back in 2008, it made me think of “The Princess Bride”, when Inigo offers his word as a Spaniard:
“No good! I’ve known too many Spaniards!”
Me, I know too many small town people to buy into the self-serving mythology.
Hoax and scam. Trump is the best for America.
— James Flowers (@JamesFl51650422) January 29, 2020
How’s the weather in St. Petersberg, JamesF5165042296587304586345782552791658?
Clearly, Dersh didn’t actually open any dictionaries before he decided to say that.
Dershowitz said if we open any dictionary, we’ll find out that maladministration is synonymous with abuse of power.
So I checked a few dictionaries.
It wasn’t in my Black’s Legal, so I checked online Oxford, Macmillan, Cambridge, etc.
I leaned that it means incompetence. pic.twitter.com/7YCAm8iB14— Teri Kanefield (@Teri_Kanefield) January 29, 2020
And here’s my second-worst senator lying his fucking ass off about Bolton. Yeah, Tim—you’re almost as full of shit as Lindsey—you just don’t talk as much.
re: #264 Targetpractice
Our Lady of Corruption has been sent up to the podium to tell the Senate what the WH “knows” about Hunter Biden’s work for Burisma.
That would be “Our Lady of Foreign Lobbying for Qatar.”
We’re going to need a multi-year “Truth and Reconciliation” court to deal with all the wreckage that Trump is going to leave behind.
Jay Sekulow’s argument is basically, my client is so guilty that if we start talking to witnesses we will literally be here forever.
— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) January 29, 2020
re: #338 Blind Frog Belly White
I grew up in one of those Heartland small towns (central PA, farm community), and I gotta say, when Sarah Palin gave that speech about how “we grow good people in our small towns” back in 2008, it made me think of “The Princess Bride”, when Inigo offers his word as a Spaniard:
“No good! I’ve known too many Spaniards!”
Me, I know too many small town people to buy into the self-serving mythology.
I’ve actually lived more suburban and rural than urban but I’m in the city a lot. Cities are fine communities. It’s just such a base form of us vs themism and yeah small town America is way too eager to pat itself on the back.
re: #343 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)
We’re going to need a multi-year “Truth and Reconciliation” court to deal with all the wreckage that Trump is going to leave behind.
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re: #344 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I’ve actually lived more suburban and rural than urban but I’m in the city a lot. Cities are fine communities. It’s just such a base form of us vs themism and yeah small town America is way too eager to pat itself on the back.
They see America as a Norman Fucking Rockwell painting.
re: #346 Blind Frog Belly White
They see America as a Norman Fucking Rockwell painting.
But not this one.
re: #344 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I’ve actually lived more suburban and rural than urban but I’m in the city a lot. Cities are fine communities. It’s just such a base form of us vs themism and yeah small town America is way too eager to pat itself on the back.
Cities are way too eager to pat themselves on the back, too. [The subtext in that is “small town America is full of itself, but we in cities aren’t.”]
I’ve lived in both. I don’t really see any difference.
Okay, I only have LGF open. I just got a pop-up ad which got past my computer’s paranoiaware for an on-line dating site.
re: #348 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Lemme know when people in cities insist that their individual votes should count more than those of people in small towns.
re: #347 Blind Frog Belly White
But not this one.
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Grew up in a rural community, where our nearest neighbor was a mile away, and went to schools filled with farm kids.
There was a *hell* of a lot of abuse, drunkenness, sexual deviancy, violence, and I heard about it from my friends. It was just spread out over a much larger area, rather than concentrated in a few streets, where you can’t avoid seeing it.
re: #348 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Cities are way too eager to pat themselves on the back, too. [The subtext in that is “small town America is full of itself, but we in cities aren’t.”]
I’ve lived in both. I don’t really see any difference.
Yep. Mostly good people. A goodly number of fuckups, who are tolerable, but you can’t trust them with anything more than a burned-out matchstick.
And a few total criminal freaks who scare the living daylights out of you.
re: #110 Targetpractice
Basically Graham and Cruz asked Schiff about whether his hypothetical ask on Obama’s behalf of Medvedev to investigate Romney would be cool if there were allegations that Romney’s son was being paid by a corrupt company. Schiff basically told the morons that such is ridiculous, asking a foreign power to investigate your political rival is wrong period.
I just saw the question Cruz and Graham asked on Politico:
The question
Would former President Barack Obama have had the authority to ask for an investigation into Mitt Romney’s son?
Who asked
Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) asked the question to the House managers.
It’s astounding the extent that the GOP has internalized the notion that we should emulate Putin’s Russia and allow autocrats to use their power to harass opponents.
I’d be interested to see how Romney would answer the question.
re: #348 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Cities are way too eager to pat themselves on the back, too. [The subtext in that is “small town America is full of itself, but we in cities aren’t.”]
I’ve lived in both. I don’t really see any difference.
I live in a small town, dude. I’ve never lived in a town larger than 30000. Don’t what about me. I had to have Sarah Palin come to my state twelve years ago and claim the urban areas here weren’t really Virginia because they vote Democratic. I’m sorry but it’s really tiring. Did you see Chicago shaped Michele Obama claim being from the South Side make her better?
re: #350 Blind Frog Belly White
Lemme know when people in cities insist that their individual votes should count more than those of people in small towns.
Thank you.
re: #350 Blind Frog Belly White
Lemme know when people in cities insist that their individual votes should count more than those of people in small towns.
I’m going to have to drop out of that particular discussion. Lemme know when people in cities stop referring to rural areas as “hicks, flyover country, square states, &c.”
Vermont, Rhode Island, Hawai’i, and other such small liberal states make the same argument about votes.
We could vote to abolish states and just have administrative districts, and I guarantee you every small liberal state would howl just as loudly as every small conservative state.
Plus, most states aren’t “all red” or “all blue” anyway.
The “America is a nation of small towns” mythology needs to be stuffed in a sack, beaten to death with clubs, dragged out of the sack and dismembered, then burned to ash.
America has lots of small towns. Most of America doesn’t live in them. They are not representative of America as a whole, in their values or their political leanings. They are a SLICE of a much larger pie, and it’s about time that we stopped pretending otherwise.
re: #357 Blind Frog Belly White
The “America is a nation of small towns” mythology needs to be stuffed in a sack, beaten to death with clubs, dragged out of the sack and dismembered, then burned to ash.
America has lots of small towns. Most of America doesn’t live in them. They are not representative of America as a whole, in their values or their political leanings. They are a SLICE of a much larger pie, and it’s about time that we stopped pretending otherwise.
+1
re: #356 Anymouse 🌹🎃
I’m going to have to drop out of that particular discussion. Lemme know when people in cities stop referring to rural areas as “hicks, flyover country, square states, &c.”
Vermont, Rhode Island, Hawai’i, and other such small liberal states make the same argument about votes.
We could vote to abolish states and just have administrative districts, and I guarantee you every small liberal state would howl just as loudly as every small conservative state.
Plus, most states aren’t “all red” or “all blue” anyway.
Lemme know when rural areas pull that particular stick out of their collective ass.
I’m sick and tired of the perennial “You think you’re better than us!” inferiority complex that so many rural people evince. Nobody here called them hicks, flyover country, square states, etc. Nobody here suggested rural people deserve any less voice than their numbers merit.
The ‘flyover country’ narrative is pushed by the right trying to sell the ‘liberal elites’ frame. As if ‘liberal elites’ consider all the ‘hicks clinging to their guns and religion’ and call it ‘flyover country.’
They’ve been trying to sell if for a long time.
re: #360 BigPapa
The ‘flyover country’ narrative is pushed by the right trying to sell the ‘liberal elites’ frame. As if ‘liberal elites’ consider all the ‘hicks clinging to their guns and religion’ and call it ‘flyover country.’
They’ve been trying to sell if for a long time.
When they shit on city dwellers, they’re talking about people who they don’t think are real Americans. Same shit they did because the cities were opposed to some of the things that the rural areas championed like Prohibition.
re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White
Lemme know when rural areas pull that particular stick out of their collective ass.
I’m sick and tired of the perennial “You think you’re better than us!” inferiority complex that so many rural people evince. Nobody here called them hicks, flyover country, square states, etc. Nobody here suggested rural people deserve any less voice than their numbers merit.
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I’ll mostly give you “hicks”
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I’ll go back to more productive commenting now.
Are we really having *this* “discussion” again?
Pretty much demonstrating my point about people in small towns.
re: #363 Colère Tueur de Lapin
Are we really having *this* “discussion” again?
I’m gonna let it go but I really do not like Buttigieg talking crap on my home to score cheap votes in Iowa. If he wants to advocate for policies that benefit Iowans, cool and so be it, and he’s going to need the votes of those DC people he used as a cheap attack.
One does wonder how many of those comments including “flyover country” were people complaining about being called “flyover country”, because honestly, that’s mostly where I here that - from people who are JUST CERTAIN we Coastal Elites spend all our time pissing on them.
re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White
Lemme know when rural areas pull that particular stick out of their collective ass.
I’m sick and tired of the perennial “You think you’re better than us!” inferiority complex that so many rural people evince. Nobody here called them hicks, flyover country, square states, etc. Nobody here suggested rural people deserve any less voice than their numbers merit.
I’d be very happy if we got to a point where rural people had only the voice that their numbers merit and not a disproportionately larger one.
You wanna live in Wyoming or Montana or Vermont or western Kansas? Cool. Good for you. I’m happy to recognize you as a fellow American and listen to your particular concerns. But in 2020, that shouldn’t automatically entitle you to a voice in the Senate (or the EC) that can be 40 or 50 times louder than that of someone who lives in South LA or South Austin or the South Bronx. Nor should it entitle you (a generic you, not YOU, ‘Mouse) to portray yourself as a “real ‘MURICAN” and look down on those lesser (less white, less straight, less male, less Christian) Americans who live in big urban areas and tend to think and vote in more diverse ways.
re: #367 i(m)p(each)sos
I’d be very happy if we got to a point where rural people had only the voice that their numbers merit and not a disproportionately larger one.
You wanna live in Wyoming or Montana or Vermont or western Kansas? Cool. Good for you. I’m happy to recognize you as a fellow American and listen to your particular concerns. But in 2020, that shouldn’t automatically entitle you to a voice in the Senate (or the EC) that can be 40 or 50 times louder than that of someone who lives in South LA or South Austin or the South Bronx. Nor should it entitle you (a generic you, not YOU, ‘Mouse) to portray yourself as a “real ‘MURICAN” and look down on those lesser (less white, less straight, less male, less Christian) Americans who live in big urban areas and tend to think and vote in more diverse ways.
That’s all I was trying to say albeit less articulately.
The belief that we’re a nation of rural small towns perverts our politics. It is the most popular excuse for antidemocratic institutions like the Senate and the Electoral College - that “The Cities” shouldn’t dominate. Suggest that maybe people in small towns are no better than anyone else, and you trigger this kind of reaction. It gets real old, real fast, and doesn’t reflect well on the triggered.
re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White
The belief that we’re a nation of rural small towns perverts our politics. It is the most popular excuse for antidemocratic institutions like the Senate and the Electoral College - that “The Cities” shouldn’t dominate. Suggest that maybe people in small towns are no better than anyone else, and you trigger this kind of reaction. It gets real old, real fast, and doesn’t reflect well on the triggered.
I agree, for which reason I have long advocated for abolishing the statute which limits the US House to 438 seats (since you’re not going to abolish the EC, start counting to thirteen conservative and liberal small states and it’s done).
My state would grow by about two house seats, while California would grow by about thirty.
That would significantly shift the EC to more accurately reflect the population of states rather than the states themselves.
re: #370 Anymouse 🌹🎃
I agree, for which reason I have long advocated for abolishing the statute which limits the US House to 438 seats (since you’re not going to abolish the EC, start counting to thirteen conservative and liberal small states and it’s done).
My state would grow by about two house seats, while California would grow by about thirty.
That would significantly shift the EC to more accurately reflect the population of states rather than the states themselves.
See my comment on the next thread. The EC and the composition of the Senate will grow less and less representative of America, and the excessively empowered Right will only become more entrenched and unwilling to give up power. I don’t see it ending without violence. Perhaps I lack imagination.
re: #32 The Pie Overlord!
Amazed I got 9/10
Many good guesses, but some places I’ve been to.
I missed question 1 then went in a run
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