It isn’t going to be the landslide we hoped for, but this is a reminder that the final results from Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin won’t be known until the end of the week. Don’t give up just yet.
Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are reporting ELECTION DAY votes earliest and ABSENTEE VOTES latest. We went over this a lot in the past few months. They won’t have final results until the end of the week at the earliest. There’s no point in looking at them now.
— Paul Blumenthal (@PaulBlu) November 4, 2020
I think that Biden still wins this, but the fact that it’s this close is really depressing.
Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee all planning to post vote counts tomorrow as they work through absentee backlog.
— Reid Wilson (@PoliticsReid) November 4, 2020
The thought that high voter turnout benefits the Democrats is completely out the window. Turnout was fantastic in NC. It DID NOT MATTER!
On this idea that TV and other media are making calls too early:
Some states are pretty far along in counting the mail-in and early votes. Some states are not.
Typically here in California it takes a couple of weeks to count all the mail-in and provisional ballots.
Your state may vary.
Wisconsin says there’s no way they are announcing a winner tonight
Michigan needs until Friday
Pennsylvania isn’t coming out anytime soon, either
Per officials in those states— Saleha Mohsin (@SalehaMohsin) November 4, 2020
re: #2 JC1
I think that Biden still wins this, but the fact that it’s this close is really depressing.
I hate to say this, but many dems just have to come to terms with this fact. Like I said earlier, God and Satan could be running and it would be stupidly close.
re: #3 makeitstop
Owing to the COVID pandemic, we’ve had pretty much unprecedented postal voting this election cycle and some states are ill-equipped to deal with that surge.
Deep breaths.
Utah called for Trump.
Not a surprise.
Fox News now saying Biden has won Arizona.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 4, 2020
So when do we start goose stepping and pledging loyalty to “our” fuhrer?
BIG FOX NEWS call: JOE BIDEN wins ARIZONA.
Huge development for Democrats.— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) November 4, 2020
NYT calls Biden 209, Trump 112, 217 remain. Out west:
Biden is leading in Montana and Arizona (it appears FOX called it for him). The polls are still open in Nevada, Alaska, and Hawai’i.
Texas and Florida have not yet been called.
According to the AP Joe has 209
ADD Hawaii 4
ADD Nevada 6
ADD Arizona 11
ADD Iowa 6
ADD Minnesota 10
Add Maine 4
Total 250
ADD PA 20 would give Joe 270.
OR ADD Michigan16 and Wisconsin 10 gives Joe 276
Add all 3 is 296.
I’m going to head off to bed. I’m tired and stuff.
Hopefully tomorrow I’ll wake up and this dystopia is over.
NATE SILVER
NOV. 3, 11:19 PM
Biden leads by 9 points in Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District and, more unexpectedly, by 11 points in Nebraska’s 1st Congressional District. However, early votes were expected to be counted first in Nebraska, which means the results will likely become redder later on.
BREAKING: Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler of Georgia and Democrat Raphael Warnock are headed to a Jan. 5 runoff in the special election for Loeffler’s U.S. Senate seat. #Election2020 https://t.co/8twp3kCCe3
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 4, 2020
re: #15 Charles Johnson
It’s fabulous. Legal weed and turning blue. I may actually go see the Grand Canyon again. If the hell plague gets dealt with, that is.
re: #20 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷
It won’t be. But we’ll still love you.
re: #22 teleskiguy
Why the fuck does it take two months to have a runoff?
Damn, Doug Jones lost his Senate seat in Alabama?
re: #2 JC1
I think that Biden still wins this, but the fact that it’s this close is really depressing.
No blue tsunami. Sigh.
Dear God, it’s going to be 269 to 269, isn’t it? Because 2020. Fuck.
re: #21 retired cynic
NATE SILVER
NOV. 3, 11:19 PM
Biden leads by 9 points in Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District and, more unexpectedly, by 11 points in Nebraska’s 1st Congressional District. However, early votes were expected to be counted first in Nebraska, which means the results will likely become redder later on.
There was a massive youth drive to get voters registered and to the polls in NE-1 which was reported in the state’s newspapers but not much else.
What’s driving the voter turnout in NE-1 is the result of that drive. The pollsters nor national media picked up on it (though I mentioned it here a couple days ago).
re: #22 teleskiguy
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They’ll be down a Republican Senator for a few days when the new session starts? Bummer.
Rep. Doug Collins (R-GA) has conceded, and it’s looking like it’s going to be Democrat Raphael Warnock vs Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler in a Jan. 3 runoff https://t.co/HfEPoU3TEo
— Amanda Terkel (@aterkel) November 4, 2020
The jabbering auctioneer is out. Now get rid of the insider-trading criminal.
At this point I can’t see the votes to bring NC back.
OH is still possible, but not easy.
WI looks good to me, if it takes all night.
MI/PA/GA there’s just not enough data.
Huh, how do you get an imbed from 270towin?
re: #30 Dread Pirate Ron
They’ll be down a Republican Senator for a few days when the new session starts? Bummer.
Maybe two: the runoff rule would apply to the Purdue-Ossoff race as well, if no one gets 50%+1
re: #27 Patricia Kayden
No blue tsunami. Sigh.
It was never a real thing.
Enthusiasm is not the same thing as votes.
Many older white folk, scared of a dark-skinned, socialist woman would turn all those purdy white parts of the nation over to dark-skinned atheist muslim thugs, are doing their best to vote to preserve their way of life.
re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg
Why the fuck does it take two months to have a runoff?
New ballots have to be printed and distributed, voting machines need to be tested and redeployed to precincts, &c.
Ranked choice voting would eliminate that.
I will be honest: as someone who has been spending time in Maricopa County regularly over the past decade, I wasn’t 100% comfortable with the idea that the future of civilization might be resting upon its shoulders.
Glad to say I was (probably) wrong to worry…although NBC still not calling the state.
Cindy Hyde-Smith giving a victory speech before her race is even called. 🙄
re: #32 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
First 2016 state lost by Trump
The reports of Biden’s death were greatly exaggerated.
If the Fox News call of Biden winning Arizona is correct, there are now multiple reasonable paths to 270 for Biden.
1) AZ + WI + MI + NE2 (without PA)
2) AZ + PA + MI (without WI)
3) AZ + PA + WI (without MI)
4) AZ + PA + WI + MI— Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) November 4, 2020
This will be the new state flag of Mississippi. Voters overwhelmingly approved it. This is a great day for the state as we move forward from a divisive emblem that now rests in the past. pic.twitter.com/nZorS0tVUd
— Sam R. Hall (@samrhall) November 4, 2020
re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg
Cindy Hyde-Smith giving a victory speech before her race is even called. 🙄
The AP called the race.
BREAKING: Republican Cindy Hyde-Smith wins reelection to U.S. Senate from Mississippi. #APracecall at 10:23 p.m. CST. #Election2020 #MSelection https://t.co/lGfinjTqT4
— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) November 4, 2020
Arizona not called by all outlets.
re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg
Cindy Hyde-Smith giving a victory speech before her race is even called. 🙄
She’s leading by 17.5 % and it’s Mississippi. You really think it will close that much?
re: #42 DodgerFan1988
It’s an admirable step forward, though the ‘In God We Trust’ thing chaps my ass a bit.
2M mail votes left to count in PA. Here is how they break down on party reg:
66% Dem, 23% Rep, 11% NP#Election2020— Mindy “Please Vote” Finn (@mindyfinn) November 4, 2020
Trump now leads in Iowa.
Was it too much to expect that the state that repeatedly returned to King to the House would be a win for Biden?
Does that 209 figure for Joe include AZ?
Cause HI, CA, OR and WA combined have 78 EVs, and are considered locks for the (D) ticket, and so should JUST put him over the top.
But this is depressingly close.
re: #41 makeitstop
Looks like McSally is gone.
Well, it would have been wrong to end her streak of losing Senate races
re: #39 NO SMOCKING GUN!
The reports of Biden’s death were greatly exaggerated.
As I’ve said. We need to look at where these votes are coming from and what kind of votes.
re: #49 Jay C
Does that 209 figure for Joe include AZ?
Cause HI, CA, OR and WA combined have 78 EVs, and are considered locks for the (D) ticket, and so should JUST put him over the top.
But this is depressingly close.
According to NYT, no. They haven’t called AZ yet.
There’s only a couple of counties in Iowa, with any notable size of population, left to report in.
Biden, if he is going to win, better get a large turnout in Story (home of Iowa State) and down in the Ft. Madison area on the Mississippi.
re: #52 makeitstop
According to NYT, no. They haven’t called AZ yet.
Having said that, NYT has already counted CA. And OR and WA.
Biden leads Fuckface by 15 points in Colorado with 80% reporting. I’ve seen the state go from very safe Republican to very safe Democrat in a decade and a half’s time.
Fox is the only source calling Arizona for Biden so far, but he has a very comfortable lead over Trump and I think it’s probably going to pan out.
Well, time to start the campaign to hold that seat in 2022
Former astronaut Mark Kelly beats Republican Sen. Martha McSally in Arizona’s special election faceoff, Fox News projectshttps://t.co/jc9GzdILdt
— Fox News (@FoxNews) November 4, 2020
re: #46 teleskiguy
It’s an admirable step forward, though the ‘In God We Trust’ thing chaps my ass a bit.
God probably calls it “protesting too much.”
So this is going to drag on for days, if not weeks?
re: #49 Jay C
Does that 209 figure for Joe include AZ?
Cause HI, CA, OR and WA combined have 78 EVs, and are considered locks for the (D) ticket, and so should JUST put him over the top.
But this is depressingly close.
I can’t imagine Trump getting a single electoral college victory in any of those states. If Biden is currently at 209, those 78 EVs put him over the top.
The same day and mail-in and early votes are just screwing up any analytics Kornacki is doing.
Oregon legalized magic mushrooms. How cool is that?
re: #61 Varek Raith
The same day and mail-in and early votes are just screwing up any analytics Kornacki is doing.
I went to CNN to avoid his BS.
re: #60 Dr Lizardo
I can’t imagine Trump getting a single electoral college victory in any of those states. If Biden is currently at 209, those 78 EVs put him over the top.
The 209 number includes the west coast.
We should note that flipping Arizona is not a small thing. This is Ground Zero for Trump’s immigration crackdown, the place where he delivered his biggest speeches on the issue. It’s Arpaio-land. This furthers the trend in which Trumpism is becoming a liability in the southwest.
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) November 4, 2020
re: #56 Charles Johnson
Fox is the only source calling Arizona for Biden so far, but he has a very comfortable lead over Trump and I think it’s probably going to pan out.
Solid Maricopa lead is the story.
Somebody’s mad.
Congratulations Cindy McCain. You helped cost us Arizona.
— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) November 4, 2020
re: #12 Charles Johnson
My state. Been here all my life (not counting the millions of places I’ve been to all around the globe). It is amazing that in my lifetime we have gone from hillbillies and cowboys and goobers to a state (mostly Maricopa, Pinal and Pima counties) that is actually blue. I’ve looked at state house and senate returns, and we may flip them. Of course, we still have Doug Douchebag.
re: #36 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷
New ballots have to be printed and distributed, voting machines need to be tested and redeployed to precincts, &c.
Ranked choice voting would eliminate that.
Or just saying the person with the most votes wins. Run offs and ranked choice are dumb
Nate Cohn
@Nate_Cohn
Alright, we’ve made some corrections to account for the reporting errors in North Carolina. No huge changes, but it’s enough to make Biden’s chance with late mail a lot more plausible. GA also still competitive… may be a bit overlooked
Alright, we’ve made some corrections to account for the reporting errors in North Carolina. No huge changes, but it’s enough to make Biden’s chance with late mail a lot more plausible. GA also still competitive… may be a bit overlooked pic.twitter.com/Vb6RKyszNN
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 4, 2020
(inc. chart)
re: #56 Charles Johnson
There are still a lot of votes in Maricopa county. And in AZ, it is ALL about Maricopa County.
We’re all gonna need some legalized shrooms when this is done.
NBC giving Corey Lewandowski airtime for some stupid fucking reason.
Personally I don’t see why TX is not called for Trump. Looking at the county map, the strong Democratic areas are mostly reported, but a lot of rural counties are not.
re: #68 makeitstop
Somebody’s mad.
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Who would have thought that belittling her husband, a loved favorite son wasn’t the way to win their state.
re: #80 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Who would have thought that belittling her husband, a loved favorite son wasn’t the way to win their state.
Right?!
That’s like dissing Santa and wondering why you lost the North Pole.
Yes, a win is a win, and I’ll definitely take it, but I think many of us were hoping for an undeniable repudiation of Trumpite hate politics, and that’s obviously not going to happen. https://t.co/IjWDQnjIUC
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 4, 2020
re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Personally I don’t see why TX is not called for Trump. Looking at the county map, the strong Democratic areas are mostly reported, but a lot of rural counties are not.
I was just looking at that and thinking the opposite.
re: #72 Ace Rothstein
She is one of the nastiest people around. 2 years ago, I got a mailer from her folks that was one of those tilt and see something else….If Sinema get elected….and it depicted Phoenix before, and after an atom bomb.
This level of idiocy used to work in AZ
I’m fully expecting Trumpworld fuckery with the PA results.
I hope I’m wrong.
re: #81 Varek Raith
Right?!
That’s like dissing Santa and wondering why you lost the North Pole.
Seriously what a bunch of dumbasses
re: #68 makeitstop
Somebody’s mad.
Cindy McCain was not prompted or pushed in any way by the Republican Party of Donald Trump; they’re just suddenly being victimized by this woman.
This happened, completely out of nowhere.
re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m fully expecting Trumpworld fuckery with the PA results.
I hope I’m wrong.
Dude look at where they’re coming in from and what kind of votes.
re: #88 sagehen
is that a magnolia?
Yes. It’s our state flower. In fact MS is sometimes referred to as the Magnolia State.
Arizona potentially being the state that tips the election away from Trump and to Biden would be John McCain’s ultimate revenge
— Adam Blickstein (@AdamBlickstein) November 4, 2020
Don’t worry about PA. The big counties are barely in, the goober counties are mostly in.
This makes no sense at all. https://t.co/YSGTztw3Fn
— April in TX (@BGHeaven) November 4, 2020
Virginia is staying blue everyone. Take a deep breath.
— Ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) November 4, 2020
Verizon. Now is not the time for your shit to act up.
re: #84 Egregious Philbin
She is one of the nastiest people around. 2 years ago, I got a mailer from her folks that was one of those tilt and see something else….If Sinema get elected….and it depicted Phoenix before, and after an atom bomb.
This level of idiocy used to work in AZ
At a campaign event, she told people to skip a meal so they could donate.
re: #28 TarHellion
Dear God, it’s going to be 269 to 269, isn’t it? Because 2020. Fuck.
Come ON Debbie
VA vote dump. A grand tradition unlike any other, and suddenly it’s Biden +7
re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg
Yes. It’s our state flower. In fact MS is sometimes referred to as the Magnolia State.
It’s a beautiful flag. Ours is boring imo.
NATE SILVER
NOV. 3, 11:48 PM
Steve Bullock outperforming Biden by about 6 points in Montana, although Biden is actually leading there right now (which probably won’t hold).
McSally is the type of asshole that other assholes say, “Look, now THERE’S an asshole.”
re: #100 NetworkKed
VA vote dump. A grand tradition unlike any other, and suddenly it’s Biden +7
It’s what we do.
re: #100 NetworkKed
VA vote dump. A grand tradition unlike any other, and suddenly it’s Biden +7
It was always gonna be an up and down night.
I was looking forward to a Canadian TV series to give me an out on election coverage. Trickster isn’t on tonight, it’s tomorrow, fuck.
re: #82 Charles Johnson
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It really is a party of weak men desperate to be seen as strong.
The kind of guys that hit their wives and think they’re doing self defense because being judged or pitied is the same as being attack.
It’s why they can’t just own guns like normal people, and treat those guns as tools and respect their function: they have to broadcast violent intent because they’ve no other qualities that could command respect or attention.
Looks like Joni Ernst is going to be re-elected.
So this election is more of a binge viewing experience.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) November 4, 2020
groan
re: #107 Dread Pirate Ron
I was looking forward to a Canadian TV series to give me an out on election coverage. Trickster isn’t on tonight, it’s tomorrow, fuck.
Canadian networks run US election coverage too. What happens to us had a big impact on them.
re: #105 Varek Raith
It’s what we do.
It’s what happens when ‘Not Real Virginia’ numbers come in. :D
CNN calls Virginia for Joe.
re: #114 Varek Raith
It’s what happens when ‘Not Real Virginia’ numbers come in. :D
Much to George Allen’s everlasting rage.
re: #116 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
The NYT did that hours ago.
re: #118 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Much to George Allen’s everlasting rage.
Hehehe, I love pointing that out to anyone.
For the fourth time in the last six elections (all except 2008 and 2012), we’re going to hit midnight (EST) on Election Day without a projected presidential victor.
It may be bad for our blood pressure, but it’s neither unusual nor nefarious.
Sleep well, everyone—we’ll need it.— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) November 4, 2020
Well… need to sleep so I can work tomorrow. Wanted to sleep at peace, knowing the country was on a better track. Wanted Obama stepping in to hit a 3 from the corner to the end of the game…
Not gonna happen. My country is full of misguided people. And the Universe rolls on.
Hope lives. We shall see…
re: #101 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
It’s a beautiful flag. Ours is boring imo.
Well, it’s an improvement on the old Confederate rag, so yeah..
Was this flag chosen by a multiple-choice ballot, or a yes-or-no? I had thought MS had decided on another (though similar) design.
ADD A quick wiki search reveals that the “Magnolia Flag” had been chosen by a state commission back in September and that the measure on today’s ballot was for approval. And looking at some of the ugly rags in the competition, they made a good choice.
re: #101 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
It’s a beautiful flag. Ours is boring imo.
None can beat the California flag.
Also, please note it’s before midnight, and Biden leads the popular vote by 1.5M. Those national polls may end up being pretty on-the-ball as the mail votes get counted and the inevitable CA tide rolls in.
…CNN seems to have forgotten RI. Go figure.
With Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania absentee/mail votes being counted after the in-person votes, and the high-population areas getting the bulk of those now (along with Virginia finally being called for Biden), I’m starting to breathe a little bit.
re: #120 Varek Raith
Hehehe, I love pointing that out to anyone.
Our experiences have made us more patient than most.
re: #127 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!
With Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania absentee/mail votes being counted after the in-person votes, and the high-population areas getting the bulk of those now (along with Virginia finally being called for Biden), I’m starting to breathe a little bit.
The blue wave didn’t look as big until later. Relax everyone
re: #133 plansbandc
I think New Mexico’s flag is beautiful.
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re: #84 Egregious Philbin
She is one of the nastiest people around. 2 years ago, I got a mailer from her folks that was one of those tilt and see something else….If Sinema get elected….and it depicted Phoenix before, and after an atom bomb.
This level of idiocy used to work in AZ
re: #104 Varek Raith
McSally is the type of asshole that other assholes say, “Look, now THERE’S an asshole.”
As I tweeted not long ago
Hard to imagine all those Kelly voters picking Trump
— 𝙒𝘽 𝙔𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙜 🍕🐀😷 (@FormerDirtDart) November 4, 2020
They rejected McSally in 2018 while electing Sinema.
Hard to imagine the mostly same voters picking her over Kelly— 𝙒𝘽 𝙔𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙜 🍕🐀😷 (@FormerDirtDart) November 4, 2020
Just bewildered how Hispanics have broken more toward FFVCS from four years ago. Is it religion? The idea that I’ve got mine? The drumbeat of “socialism?” Clearly the Dems dropped the ball within this group.
re: #126 NetworkKed
Also, please note it’s before midnight, and Biden leads the popular vote by 1.5M. Those national polls may end up being pretty on-the-ball as the mail votes get counted and the inevitable CA tide rolls in.
…CNN seems to have forgotten RI. Go figure.
And Trump is way behind in EVs, too. That’ll stop him from coming out and demanding the counting be stopped. So there’s that.
re: #134 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Everyone forgets RI.
Only of the original colonies never to have a presidential or vp nominee I believe. Can’t think of them ever having nationally well known politicians come to think.
Uh…
Whatever happens, the next four years can’t be as bad as that four-year study abroad I did in Italy, right?
— Amanda Knox (@amandaknox) November 4, 2020
re: #98 Teddy’s Person ✌
Oh yeah. There is another politician like Martha in AZ. Wendy Rogers. Twice she ran for congress, only to be beaten by Kristen Sinema (Wendy even skipped a debate), she ran again in another district. Now she actually beat a crazy creationist (6000 years) in the primary for a AZ Senate seat, but she is losing, in a very redneck district.
re: #137 TarHellion
Just bewildered how Hispanics have broken more toward FFVCS from four years ago. Is it religion? The idea that I’ve got mine? The drumbeat of “socialism?” Clearly the Dems dropped the ball within this group.
Machismo. And they hate ‘Socialists.’
re: #132 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
The blue wave didn’t look as big until later. Relax everyone
We still don’t know if the vote-by-mail dumps are going to be enough to put Biden over the top, but at least I have some hope as opposed to an hour ago when it looked inevitable that we were getting four more years of Twitler.
re: #137 TarHellion
According to what I’ve been reading, they see themselves as white and so they vote as though they are white.
I had my heart set on Ohio and it still went for God’s Anointed King…
re: #134 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
But, Jerry Seinfeld dated Miss Rhode Island.
Biden is leading in Nebraska’s 2nd District 54-45.
That one electoral vote might be the #1 race to watch right now. If Biden wins it, then Florida + Georgia + North Carolina + Texas + Ohio + ME-2 + Pennsylvania(!) only gets Trump to 268.https://t.co/ec2DCVKFUe pic.twitter.com/QRNB4xofj3— Reuben Fischer-Baum (@ReubenFB) November 4, 2020
The confusion might be that people are looking only at the PA Dept of State’s results page.
That page right now says for Philly:
74,132 Biden
32,414 Trump
The city’s own page:
248,931 Biden
78,136 Trump
The confusion might be that people are looking only at the PA Dept of State’s results page.
That page right now says for Philly:
74,132 Biden
32,414 Trump
The city’s own page:
248,931 Biden
78,136 Trump— Jonathan Lai 🙊 賴柏羽 (@Elaijuh) November 4, 2020
re: #137 TarHellion
Just bewildered how Hispanics have broken more toward FFVCS from four years ago. Is it religion? The idea that I’ve got mine? The drumbeat of “socialism?” Clearly the Dems dropped the ball within this group.
1) The Marxist crap still works
2) Trump gained with younger males.
re: #137 TarHellion
Just bewildered how Hispanics have broken more toward FFVCS from four years ago. Is it religion? The idea that I’ve got mine? The drumbeat of “socialism?” Clearly the Dems dropped the ball within this group.
Most of the increase in support is in Florida, where Trump successfully pandered to anti-Castro Cuban immigrants who didn’t like Biden’s promises to re-open relations with Cuba.
re: #138 makeitstop
And Trump is way behind in EVs, too. That’ll stop him from coming out and demanding the counting be stopped. So there’s that.
No it won’t. lol
Somebody’s mad, part 2…
Trump advisers say campaign is furious with Fox for its Arizona call for Biden, an indication of how much was riding on the state. “Words cannot describe the anger,” the adviser said.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) November 4, 2020
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Trump advisers say campaign is furious with Fox for its Arizona call for Biden, an indication of how much was riding on the state. “Words cannot describe the anger,” the adviser said.
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) November 4, 2020
re: #145 plansbandc
According to what I’ve been reading, they see themselves as white and so they vote as though they are white.
Which is interesting, because about ten years ago there was a story out about how Latinos were resisting being assimilated by whites.
re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
Really, is Fox going to focus on Brett’s legs as he angrily walks down the hall to confront the analysts? https://t.co/mvyWWwSC3C
— Mieke “Vote as if your life depends on it” Eoyang (@MiekeEoyang) November 4, 2020
re: #152 Charles Johnson
Most of the increase in support is in Florida, where Trump successfully pandered to anti-Castro Cuban immigrants who didn’t like Biden’s promises to re-open relations with Cuba.
The Hispanic vote is incredibly diverse. In fact, Biden likely winning Arizona gives me confidence for non Cuban Hispanics.
re: #158 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
If they don’t change reality quickly does Trump send them to the cornfield?
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The rest of the world is considering who will fund the wall that has to be built around the US.
re: #155 HRH Stanley Sea
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re: #149 retired cynic
The confusion might be that people are looking only at the PA Dept of State’s results page.
That page right now says for Philly:
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32,414 TrumpThe city’s own page:
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Yeah, that whole thread from Lai was pretty informative
re: #130 Varek Raith
Upding for Fallout reference,
re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg
Upding for Fallout reference,
I’ve been replaying all of it. From 1 to tactics to freaking 76.
Arizona’s governor @dougducey jumps in and says it’s too early to call #Arizona. Democratic sources in Arizona concur— it’s going to take awhile. https://t.co/WdRduB5icx
— Kyung Lah (@KyungLahCNN) November 4, 2020
Oh wow
I did not think that was going to pass.
Florida voters approved a ballot measure that would raise the state’s minimum wage to $15 by 2026. https://t.co/nzyriP1JeN
— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 4, 2020
re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
Duchbag….don’t listen to him
OK, time for bed. Hang in there folks. We’ll know more tomorrow.
Big love to all of you.
Damn it
WHO-13 is calling the Iowa Senate race for Ernst, which makes it very difficult for Democrats to take control of the Senate
— Josh Jordan (@NumbersMuncher) November 4, 2020
re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg
Dear God I put in so many hours into Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4. Nothing like throwing a nuke bomb onto a group of Raiders.
re: #173 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
Damn it
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re: #159 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
The Hispanic vote is incredibly diverse. In fact, Biden likely winning Arizona gives me confidence for non Cuban Hispanics.
So many people forget this.
The reality is that the majority of countries in the Western Hemisphere speak Spanish, even if the most populous country speaks English (poorly more often than not.)
It is too often then that English speaking Americans lump all Spanish-speakers together.
But in reality, ex-Cubans have little in common with the Mexican workers and their descendants here in California and NV and AZ.
Refugees from central America are not all alike, also.
Some are so ardent anti-communist that they would be glad to have a right wing Trump as dictator. But others are going to be horrified by that.
And not all immigrants from south of the border are going to be religious Catholics. Even if they think they are Catholic, they are not necessarily going to be what, say, Polish Catholics may be in politics.
NYT’s needle for GA just moved to “tilting Biden”
— Angry Staffer (@AngrierWHStaff) November 4, 2020
re: #152 Charles Johnson
Most of the increase in support is in Florida, where Trump successfully pandered to anti-Castro Cuban immigrants who didn’t like Biden’s promises to re-open relations with Cuba.
SRSLY? There’s still a bloc of Cubans/Cuban-Americans who want to maintain the decades-long “isolation” policy which has done precisely squat in sixty years to effect the Communist government’s hold on Cuba in the slightest? And this bloc still seems to be the linchpin of Florida’s voting patterns?
Fuckin Florida, man….
re: #173 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
It really could be a 50-50 Senate.
re: #163 makeitstop
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Remember 2018? High expectations, disappointed on election night followed by all the votes getting counted and a week later calling it a Blue Wave? I do.
— Bradley Whitford (@BradleyWhitford) November 4, 2020
re: #179 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
It really could be a 50-50 Senate.
I’ll take it, as long as VP Kamala is the tie-breaker.
re: #176 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
So many people forget this.
The reality is that the majority of countries in the Western Hemisphere speak Spanish, even if the most populous country speaks English (poorly more often than not.)
It is too often then that English speaking Americans lump all Spanish-speakers together.
But in reality, ex-Cubans have little in common with the Mexican workers and their descendants here in California and NV and AZ.
Refugees from central America are not all alike, also.
Some are so ardent anti-communist that they would be glad to have a right wing Trump as dictator. But others are going to be horrified by that.
And not all immigrants from south of the border are going to be religious Catholics. Even if they think they are Catholic, they are not necessarily going to be what, say, Polish Catholics may be in politics.
There’s a lot of colorism within those communities too. They are I feel overall a Democratic demographic but they are far from a monolithic.
NEW: Joe Biden is slated to speak at 12:30 a.m, campaign says. Press pool is headed to his house now to meet up with his motorcade.
— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) November 4, 2020
re: #182 makeitstop
I’ll take it, as long as VP Kamala is the tie-breaker.
Yeah, but with a split Bernie is going to demand to be catered to all day long.
How I see it coming out.https://t.co/FrRl1Bmxvv #2020election
— Ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) November 4, 2020
re: #178 Jay C
SRSLY? There’s still a bloc of Cubans/Cuban-Americans who want to maintain the decades-long “isolation” policy which has done precisely squat in sixty years to effect the Communist government’s hold on Cuba in the slightest? And this bloc still seems to be the linchpin of Florida’s voting patterns?
Fuckin Florida, man….
It’s why people need to realize there’s a difference between social democracy and socialism. That shit turns a lot of people off.
ABC talking head thinks Biden has lost FL.
A buncha tards in DC.
A large group of protesters have rounded the corner into Black Lives Matter plaza. They’re mostly black-clad with a row of umbrellas in front and some shields. Slowly pushing up 16th street through throngs of cameras. pic.twitter.com/LyPaalZiPQ
— Alejandro Alvarez (@aletweetsnews) November 4, 2020
re: #185 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Yeah, but with a split Bernie is going to demand to be catered to all day long.
He’ll have to reconcile with Manchin.
re: #185 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Yeah, but with a split Bernie is going to demand to be catered to all day long.
Freetoken, please eat some dark chocolate & stop debbying. TYVM
re: #185 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Yeah, but with a split Bernie is going to demand to be catered to all day long.
We’ll burn that bridge when we get to it.
re: #143 makeitstop
Machismo. And they hate ‘Socialists.’
Cubans and Venezuelans have an experience of socialism that’s… very very different from anything American Democrats (even Bernie and AOC) have ever proposed. But campaign ads don’t do honesty, and US media doesn’t do nuance.
NYT Georgia needle now favoring Biden.
Biden will also win Nebraska’s 2nd, so no 269:269 tie
Racism is clearly not a dealbreaker for much of America.
— Mick Foley (@RealMickFoley) November 4, 2020
re: #186 Ace-o-aces
Same, but with Georgia blue. And don’t forget Montana. It has flip potential.
I say Biden with 306.
re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips
But you didn’t vote for a fucking Democrat???
Trump leads Biden in TX by 600k votes. I don’t know why it is not called for Trump.
There just isn’t going to be that many late mail-in ballots to make up the difference.
re: #162 b_sharp
The rest of the world is considering who will fund the wall that has to be built around the US.
Friends from France, German, Italy and in shock. They’re telling me European leaders are ready to give up and cut the US off.
re: #195 DodgerFan1988
All the klan states go red.
If Biden wins GA then it is a whole new ballgame.
NYT has the win probability needle at 68% for Biden.
re: #197 TarHellion
But you didn’t vote for a fucking Democrat???
I can’t wait for Florida Republicans to change it so that it only applies to those already making over $15/hr.
re: #201 b.d.
If Biden wins GA then it is a whole new ballgame.
NYT has the win probability needle at 68% for Biden.
LOL Gingrich is gonna have a stroke if Biden wins GA.
— Ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) November 4, 2020
I’m going to bed. I think Biden will win. Let’s hope that the Trump cult of personality is unique to him and isn’t transferable to a more capable fascist.
re: #199 🌹UOJB!
Friends from France, German, Italy and in shock. They’re telling me European leaders are ready to give up and cut the US off.
In both 2016 and in 2020 the US presidential election of a malignant and utterly corrupt narcissist was close.
That’s a damning indictment of the US electorate, especially in 2020 where we had 4 long years of Trump’s track record of failure, incompetence, corruption and bigotry as evidence against this shitbird.
re: #178 Jay C
Yeah, I mean we trade with Vietnam now. But these elderly Cuban holdovers will not let go. These were the same folks - and their children - who HATED Clinton for opening up relations.
— Ace-o-aces (@aceoaces) November 4, 2020
re: #204 Dr Lizardo
LOL Gingrich is gonna have a stroke if Biden wins GA.
I survived mine. If Grinch doesn’t, well….
re: #205 Ace-o-aces
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Yeah Bernie was going to help us in Florida where we lost votes because of being linked with socialism. I wish she would go the fuck away as would all Bernie’s assholes who love doing the same old shit. The odds still favor Biden here and Bernie would have lost already by now.
Yuma county going for Biden is a bit of a surprise on first blush… but thinking about it, a lot of people have retired to AZ from high price states (especially CA), and having driven through Yuma many times I’ve gotten the feeling that there are people retired there who have been priced out of Maricopa county.
re: #210 Ace-o-aces
Lots of votes in Atlanta not counted…lots.
At some point, Florida just seems like it’s genuine lost cause on the national level, and that’s a depressing thing to think about.
re: #187 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
It’s why people need to realize there’s a difference between social democracy and socialism. That shit turns a lot of people off.
Except that by any objective measure of political philosophy, mainstream Democratic politics (such as Joe Biden embodies) don’t fall in the least under any definition of “ socialism”, and - with the exception of a few fringe figures - and only remotely into the realm of “social democracy”. I think the Florida/Cuban thing is rooted more in specific ethno/national resentments.
re: #212 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Yeah Bernie was going to help us in Florida where we lost votes because of being linked with socialism. I wish she would go the fuck away as would all Bernie’s assholes who love doing the same old shit. The odds still favor Biden here and Bernie would have lost already by now.
The GOP would’ve found no difficulty whatsoever in portraying Bernie as the second coming of Lenin. Hell, if Bernie had been the nominee, Trump would be walking away with this.
re: #204 Dr Lizardo
He’ll dump his wife and go for Number 4.
re: #215 Citizen K
At some point, Florida just seems like it’s genuine lost cause on the national level, and that’s a depressing thing to think about.
And then it will sink into the ocean.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden wins Minnesota.
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) November 4, 2020
No Tweets from the orange shitweasel in 6 hours.
The story from VA and GA and AZ is one story: rapidly growing metropolitan areas swing states away from the right wing ideologues.
American politics has been often, but now even more strongly, about urban areas vs rural areas.
re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg
No Tweets from the orange shitweasel in 6 hours.
Someone took his phone. :D
OK, off to work here in Europe. Keep the faith, Lizards…..and get some sleep.
Le sigh…
BREAKING: Fox News has retracted their call for Biden in Arizona.@NumbersMuncher
— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) November 4, 2020
re: #220 ericblair
To no one’s surprise.
I’m convinced that news outlets intentionally draw out these calls just to keep eyes-on-product.
re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg
No Tweets from the orange shitweasel in 6 hours.
It’s probably because Trump is going after the nuclear launch codes instead.
re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg
That GIF will never ever get old.
re: #222 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
The story from VA and GA and AZ is one story: rapidly growing metropolitan areas swing states away from the right wing ideologues.
American politics has been often, but now even more strongly, about urban areas vs rural areas.
The story of so many elections.
I see that the NYT finally called IA for Trump.
Je$u$ loves IA, maybe not as much as NC, but enough. And Iowa loves Je$u$, maybe not as much as NC loves Je$u$, but enough.
re: #208 TarHellion
Yeah, I mean we trade with Vietnam now. But these elderly Cuban holdovers will not let go. These were the same folks - and their children - who HATED Clinton for opening up relations.
Wasn’t it only til Obama’s Admin (and after Fidel croaked) that we actually “opened relations” - which Trump dialed back? Or am I misremembering?
re: #233 Jay C
Wasn’t it only til Obama’s Admin (and after Fidel croaked) that we actually “opened relations” - which Trump dialed back? Or am I misremembering?
No that sounds right to me.
re: #233 Jay C
Wasn’t it only til Obama’s Admin (and after Fidel croaked) that we actually “opened relations” - which Trump dialed back? Or am I misremembering?
Yes and Obama took a lot of flack for that. Right thing to do IMO. I sympathize with the Cuban exiles about that regime but they’re not the only people who have fled a terrible dictatorship in this country either.
re: #222 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
The story from VA and GA and AZ is one story: rapidly growing metropolitan areas swing states away from the right wing ideologues.
American politics has been often, but now even more strongly, about urban areas vs rural areas.
Which i would love to change. Providing resources to keep family farms alive and small towns viable, in part by making it easy for people to work for larger countries from those places. But it really does seem that they’d rather lose the farm than have to move out of the 19th century.
A comet strike in the Bahama’s would quickly solve the Florida problem.
re: #236 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Yes and Obama took a lot of flack for that. Right thing to do IMO. I sympathize with the Cuban exiles about that regime but they’re not the only people who have fled a terrible dictatorship in this country either.
It’s been 60 fucking years.
Politics Polls just tweeted that Fox pulled back their AZ call, then deleted it.
re: #240 makeitstop
Politics Polls just tweeted that Fox pulled back their AZ call, then deleted it.
ABC talking about Arizona now as if Biden has a good shot.
re: #239 Ace Rothstein
It’s been 60 fucking years.
I get that. And it’s always bugged me that people like Rubio and Cruz oppose immigration pathways while ignoring the privilege that Cuban-Americans had with the wetfoot policy.
Hey, Lefty - Feinberg agrees with you.
Jason Miller losing his shit over @FoxNews calling AZ does not exactly have an air of confidence.
— Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) November 4, 2020
re: #243 makeitstop
Hey, Lefty - Feinberg agrees with you.
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I mean I’m a little disappointed that this isn’t gonna be as big as I thought it would for Biden. However, I think in the end, we’ll end up on top. It just sucks though because we’re seeing Trump’s legacy loud and clear and I worry going forward about that.
President Trump said in September while campaigning in Minnesota: “If I lose Minnesota, I’m never coming back.”
He has now lost the state of Minnesota, according to AP. https://t.co/WyMIq4bsar— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) November 4, 2020
re: #242 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
I get that. And it’s always bugged me that people like Rubio and Cruz oppose immigration pathways while ignoring the privilege that Cuban-Americans had with the wetfoot policy.
It is, as so much else involving Republican attacks on Dems, all about projection. They accuse Dems of wanting immigrants solely because they’re supposedly a monolithic Dem voting block, when that’s exactly what Cuban Americans tend to be for them. Except they get to cast them as the ‘exception to the rule’.
This is your periodic reminder that it’s ridiculous that Wyoming gets two senators. https://t.co/PjhHTd0KUq
— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) November 3, 2020
re: #237 Belafon
The long story of the USA will be, I fear, when written centuries from now, is that the people’s resistance to change caused one tragedy after another, until all the great wealth was squandered on meaningless activities and all the opportunities for advancing human causes passed us by.
I am under no delusion: the world will continue tribal warfare until there are no more humans. Whether that be in a hundred years or a hundred thousand I do not know.
But I know that we really have squandered a great many opportunities.
re: #246 Citizen K
It is, as so much else involving Republican attacks on Dems, all about projection. They accuse Dems of wanting immigrants solely because they’re supposedly a monolithic Dem voting block, when that’s exactly what Cuban Americans tend to be for them. Except they get to cast them as the ‘exception to the rule’.
I mean shit it was nonsense. I’m pro liberal immigration policies as much as the next person but I didn’t think it was a bad thing that Obama got rid of wetfoot. And you’re right. It’s more Republican projection.
COLORADO to Biden.
— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) November 4, 2020
The thing I don’t like about AZ is I’m not hearing anything about WHAT the last 24% vote is. Is it election day or early? A good chunk is Phoenix, but what parts of it? Just on the surface my bet is that it’s probably early votes and not… able to make margins that Trump would need to catch up, but I can’t prove it.
But the funny thing is, I trust the Fox desk.
Fox is standing by their call of Arizona for Biden. https://t.co/oa9opj6eTI
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 4, 2020
az has 64% reporting and Biden is up by 180k, Kelly up by 217k
az cd-6 has Tiperneni up over schweikert by about 13k
EXPLAINER: Why AP hasn’t called Florida (from @AP) https://t.co/DA8yBlx9KD
— Eric Tucker (@etuckerAP) November 4, 2020
Judging by the picture it must have something to do with a search for drugs.
Cal Cunningham has to be the dumbest motherfucker of this 2020 cycle. A competent potato could have beaten Tillis. As long as that potato kept its dick in their pants.
CNN PROJECTION: Joe Biden wins Minnesota https://t.co/dEntahMNVh #CNNElection pic.twitter.com/vQzwjDYyMB
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) November 4, 2020
re: #254 Dread Pirate Ron
it has to do with roughly 300k worth of mail in ballots that have not been accounted for (mostly Miami-Dade county) , at least that’s what I understand the reason to be… could be tied to the usps shananigans that have been part and parcel of the current chain of events…
Hey let’s be mad at the smallest political bloc with the least influence rather than the giant fascist cultural institution that’s dedicated itself to claiming we’re all Marxist cannibal perverts that deserve to be summarily shot.
I mean, that strategy of calling them decent people and trying to work with them for (checks notes) 3/4 of my lifetime while they constantly escalate is clearly the smarter position. I’m sure the people who (checks notes) simultaneously believe in the Bible but won’t read the Bible and seem to manage to always be wrist deep in the doing or covering up weird coercive sex stuff are totes going to find their way back to the reasonable center. Because it is completely impossible that they are exactly the unreasonable caste-obsessed creeps they appear to be.
After all, there are no centrist grifters except (checks notes) all the centrist grifters that normalize bad Republican behavior, refuse to call out their bizarre power/sex preoccupations as less policy and more fetishitic authoritarian hangups, and put their thumb on the scale to find a both-sides reading of everything. And those people haven’t been doing this my entire lifetime which may in some inexplicable spooky way made it possible for Republicans to engage in a slow coup.
re: #253 piratedan
Most of the votes in the red counties have been counted. Still lots of blue votes in Maricopa and Pinal, the two very large counties. I’m calling AZ for Biden, and Kelly, and in the Maricopa county Sheriff race, former Arpaio lackey is getting crushed in his run for Sheriff
NYT calls FL for Trump.
re: #260 Egregious Philbin
u mean Pima, not Pinal, right?
This fucking horserace shit from CNN with them changing everything to red as they prognosticate is stupid. they just say shit to keep talking changing everything they just said 2 minutes ago.
re: #236 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)
Yes and Obama took a lot of flack for that. Right thing to do IMO. I sympathize with the Cuban exiles about that regime but they’re not the only people who have fled a terrible dictatorship in this country either.
But they seem to be the only ones who have forged a linchpin political bloc in an electorally important state over their “exile”. And used that political leverage to keep the US maintaining what might be an emotionally satisfying, but otherwise utterly unproductive policy of antagonism and quasi-isolation of Cuba in place for 60 years.
It’s not an easy situation to deal with- yes, the dispossessed Cuban owner class were (along with many thousands of the less-affluent) unquestionably the victims of a vile and cruel dictatorship - which is still in power. But what to do about US-Cuban relations in 2020 shouldn’t have to hinge entirely on the revanchist resentments of a bloc of emigres. Which unfortunately, it does. Still.
re: #264 Jay C
Most of the first wave of refugees that lost everything are dead. That would be people like my grandparents. My mom is fully Trumpy, my aunt (who I learned this morning was phone banking for Biden in Nevada - much to my mom’s dismay) and my uncle are most definitely not. They were kids when they came over and Cuba policy doesn’t really matter to them (of course we are all on the west coast so that might have something to do with it).
I am very interested in Florida exit polls, specifically with respect to Cubans
But the more realistic point might be that Florida is just a likely red state regardless, it’s trending red while Texas and Arizona trend blue.
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