Another Great Track From the Basement: Radiohead, “Bangers + Mash”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:38:18pm

A year or two from now we’ll all be like: “Hey, you guys remember Parler? That was a fucking joke wasn’t it?”

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:40:06pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Lord, I hope so. The Mercers and Putin have done enough damage to this country!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:40:36pm
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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:40:58pm

Tornado warning, over. We did get a big bunch of rain, patio and back yard are flooded. Wind blew stuff all over the yard, I’ll have to see what went where when it’s light outside.

There were reports of a twister a few towns east of here, but all we got was a good scare, thank dog.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:42:03pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

A year or two from now we’ll all be like: “Hey, you guys remember Parler? That was a fucking joke wasn’t it?”

What was the name of their last one? Oh, right, Gab. How are they doing these days?

I would think there’s too much competition for the racist and Nazi demographic.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:44:01pm

Fucking asshole lunatics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:44:23pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:45:29pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:47:09pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Fucking asshole lunatics.

It’s a fuckin’ death cult, let’s call it like it is.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:47:26pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:50:58pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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But if violence does happen, “Tree of Liberty,” “cost of freedom,” so on and so forth. Second verse, as weaselly as the first.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:51:08pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

And this is where Abby’s insanity ultimately ends up:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:54:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 8:57:31pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Fucking asshole lunatics.

Can she be reported to Twitter for encouraging followers to break the law in places where health orders have limited gatherings?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:00:14pm

I did not know this was a thing. There are a bunch in the responses.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:03:45pm

I need to walk my beasts, and lack the motivation to do so.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:06:07pm

Obama’s 60 Minutes interview is a reminder of why we can never, ever have a Republican in the White House again.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:10:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:10:41pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Twitter is the digital equivalent of a street corner, and even as an atheist I understand the alleged words of Jesus in Matthew 6:5:

“And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:12:58pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:13:16pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

They’ll meet Him soon.

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teleskiguy  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:13:36pm

Took less than a minute for Twitter to append the caveat to Agolf Twitler’s latest spew.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:14:25pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I’M BATMAN!!!

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:14:41pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Took less than a minute for Twitter to append the caveat to Agolf Twitler’s latest spew.

The algorithm is probably now set to only ask someone if a Trump tweet shouldn’t be flagged.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:15:54pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I’M SPARTACUS!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:16:44pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Twitter is the digital equivalent of a street corner, and even as an atheist I understand the alleged words of Jesus in Matthew 6:5:

Yup.

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Jack Burton  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:18:12pm

There’s a page by Thanos on the side here: littlegreenfootballs.com

So, anyone know if this guy did anything or was this the usual speaking rectally that the GOP does?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:19:30pm
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Teukka  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:26:25pm

Thread. Also, check out the comments…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:26:35pm

Off to work. Back later today.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:27:14pm
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Belafon  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:35:08pm

The diarist invokes the penultimate chapter of the Return if the King to describe what we have to deal with after Trump:

A great Shadow has departed.”

With these words, Gandalf reveals to Sam the success of his and Frodo’s quest to destroy the One Ring, the fall of the evil Sauron, and the liberation of Middle Earth. Joyful celebration ensues, Frodo and Sam are lauded as heroes, and they all live happily ever after.

Only, not quite. Instead, the penultimate chapter of The Lord Of The Rings, “The Scouring of the Shire,” sees Frodo and his Hobbit companions return to discover that their beloved homeland has been taken over by a band of ruffians and grifters under the command of a two-bit hoodlum named “Sharkey,” later revealed to be the wizard Saruman. Fittingly, the chapter begins with Frodo and friends encountering a newly constructed wall—in fact, a “great spiked gate.” They surmount it to discover their land befouled, its quaint villages vandalized, and the inhabitants turned against one another. In their own village of Hobbiton, a hideous new mill belches black soot into the sky.

I never cared for this chapter. Many apparently adore it, but to me, it always felt small, petty, and tacked on in the wake of the epic battles that preceded it. Frodo and company have just defeated the massed armies of Sauron—now they have to mop up a bunch of drunken club-wielding delinquents? But in the wake of the Biden-Harris triumph, I finally appreciate Tolkien’s prescience. For although our great battle is won and Donald Trump is defeated, all is far from well in our own Shire. We return to discover our public lands under siege, our infrastructure crumbling, our reputation besmirched, our social safety nets abused and in disrepair, and a pandemic raging unchecked.

This is the beginning of the middle paragraph:

Tolkien understood that the aftermath of evil is not sudden good, but rather a long, hard, unglamorous slog towards normalcy and decency.

It goes on to talk about how to deal with those who remain after Trump, based on the story. What we should give to people is a chance to change, but understand that there will be those that won’t.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:35:32pm

What sorta fucked-up cosplay shit is this?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:37:57pm
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William Lewis  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:38:51pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

What sorta fucked-up cosplay shit is this?

Isn’t she that new Q-Tip that’s been lying her ass off about everything?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:41:41pm

re: #27 Jack Burton

There’s a page by Thanos on the side here: littlegreenfootballs.com

So, anyone know if this guy did anything or was this the usual speaking rectally that the GOP does?

He and other Republicans are already hedging.

Republicans Backtrack After Breaking With Trump On Biden Transition (Forbes, November 11)

But when reached for comment on what power Lankford has to “step in,” Lankford’s Senate office referred Forbes to his campaign, which in turn pointed to a tweet from Lankford asserting Trump is “fully in his right to ask for recounts and for every legal question to be fully vetted and resolved.

“It is important for the 71 million Americans that voted for President Trump that at the end of all this their questions are answered,” the tweet continued, echoing sentiments from other Republicans in Congress who have stood firmly by Trump’s challenges.

(more of other Republicans walking back such statements, and the timelines of their shifting positions to stay out of Trump’s Twitter fire).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:42:39pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Dave In Austin  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:45:57pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:53:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 9:58:02pm

re: #38 Dave In Austin

Team moronica weighs in:

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danarchy  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:00:52pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

What sorta fucked-up cosplay shit is this?

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Unfortunately, that looks like the actual DC police riot get up.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:04:32pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Team moronica weighs in:

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So many MAGAts still haven’t managed to progress past “Denial.”

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:08:52pm

re: #41 danarchy

Unfortunately, that looks like the actual DC police riot get up.

And in true “servant of the people” fashion, the badge number is covered up, there’s no nametag, and the face is covered.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:10:10pm

re: #41 danarchy

Unfortunately, that looks like the actual DC police riot get up.

Without a mask, naturally.

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ckkatz  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:13:39pm

From my brother, on Holiday plans:

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danarchy  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:15:41pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Without a mask, naturally.

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Image: Dee_Dwyer_-14.jpg

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:19:16pm

She’s still going. She needs to be reported into oblivion for promoting breaking the law.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:21:37pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

She’s still going. She needs to be reported into oblivion for promoting breaking the law.

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Folks, PLEASE report that idiot. She’s promoting mass murder. We already have that asshole John MacArthur in the San Fernando Valley ignoring city and county orders and he’s got Covid cases in his church.

He’s not alone. There are multiple Pulpit Pimps promoting maskless services here as well.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:29:29pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

She’s still going. She needs to be reported into oblivion for promoting breaking the law.

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“Learn to deal with it”? Fine, then don’t put yourself in situations where you risk infection or risk infecting others. That includes not being in large groups, indoors, without a mask on your face.

If the deity of your choice is as all-knowing and forgiving as you claim, then he’ll be cool with you taking steps to ensure your safety in order to continue doing his works. If he isn’t, then you and your flock needs to have a very serious discussion about what sort of deity calls on his followers to endanger their lives to worship him.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:29:43pm

re: #48 🌹UOJB!

Folks, PLEASE report that idiot. She’s promoting mass murder. We already have that asshole John MacArthur in the San Fernando Valley ignoring city and county orders and he’s got Covid cases in his church.

He’s not alone. There are multiple Pulpit Pimps promoting maskless services here as well.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.—Proverbs 18:21

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:32:59pm

Bring in the Oppression Olympics.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:35:25pm

It must be tough being christian, always second fiddle to the jews in god’s eye.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:37:36pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bring in the Oppression Olympics.

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Gov’t issues order that requires masks, social-distancing, and puts restrictions on indoor gatherings of all kinds that does not single out any one religious order or sect.

Christians: “WE’RE BEING OPPRESSED!!!!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:42:22pm

re: #52 Dread Pirate Ron

It must be tough being christian, always second fiddle to the jews in god’s eye.

God in the Bible refers to Jews as his chosen people, but I always wonder what he chose them for. It seems Jews have gone through an awful lot of shyte throughout history.

If I was a believer, I’d rather avoid being chosen by God. That doesn’t seem to work out well for a lot of people in the Bible.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:45:35pm

re: #52 Dread Pirate Ron

It must be tough being christian, always second fiddle to the jews in god’s eye.

Their justification is Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

And Revelation 2:9

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:46:49pm

re: #52 Dread Pirate Ron

It must be tough being christian, always second fiddle to the jews in god’s eye.

Maybe that’s why a bunch of Christians have such hatred of Jews.

I have many many examples of that hate directed at me and my fellow people all of my life.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:47:57pm

It really couldn’t be more obvious by this point that the pulpit pimps are hurting for money. It’s the 21st century, more than one congregation has figured out how to conduct mass online or speak with their flock via electronic means. The only reason that makes any sort of sense for why they “need” to be in a church is because it’s hard to browbeat the sheep into tithing heavily if they can just close the tab and walk away.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:48:04pm

re: #56 🌹UOJB!

Maybe that’s why a bunch of Christians have such hatred of Jews.

I have many many examples of that hate directed at me and my fellow people all of my life.

Of course many Christians point to the New Testament where it says that Satan can twist Scripture to his own ends; atheists are tools of Satan; therefore we twist Scripture to his ends when we call out their abject hypocrisy.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:49:31pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

It really couldn’t be more obvious by this point that the pulpit pimps are hurting for money. It’s the 21st century, more than one congregation has figured out how to conduct mass online or speak with their flock via electronic means. The only reason that makes any sort of sense for why they “need” to be in a church is because it’s hard to browbeat the sheep into tithing heavily if they can just close the tab and walk away.

They got to make those mortgage payments on their mansions and pay the loans on their Rolls Royces, jets, yachts…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:49:45pm

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Of course many Christians point to the New Testament where it says that Satan can twist Scripture to his own ends; atheists are tools of Satan; therefore we twist Scripture to his ends when we call out their abject hypocrisy.

Christians twist scripture to Satan’s ends.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:55:19pm

On a different subject, I’m tired and am going to bed.

A check of PPHD’s Covid “dashboard” indicates more than half the towns are now at “severe risk” and all the rest are at “high risk” except my town, Lisco, and Llewellyn.

Maybe they need to check and see what’s in the water here. (Wait, I know what’s in the water here. Arsenic and uranium.)

November 12 has been revised upward about 250% to 267 new cases. November 13 shows 30 (we can expect that to be revised upward).

There are 74 active cases in my county out of 255 total, with no deaths.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 10:57:43pm

re: #60 Dread Pirate Ron

Christians twist scripture to Satan’s ends.

I believe the death count in the Bible is about 10 for Satan, whereas God committed (or made others commit) countless genocides and at one point destroyed all life on Earth.

Seems like Satan is nicer.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:00:04pm
Last month, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem praised her state as “an example to the nation” for its approach to handling the coronavirus — “respecting our people’s freedom and personal responsibility” by rejecting stay-at-home orders and mask mandates.

A month later, South Dakota certainly stands out, but not in the way Noem bragged: It now has the highest COVID-19 death and hospitalization rates in the nation. And the state stands as a grim warning to Nebraska, as the same virus wave that’s pounding our neighbor to the north is now on the verge of cresting here.

According to a World-Herald analysis of national data, South Dakota and North Dakota ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the nation last week in COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths. Those states lead a COVID-19 surge that has ensnared the entire Upper Midwest — including Nebraska and Iowa — creating the prospect for a bitter, deadly winter on the Plains and across the nation.

Nebraska and Iowa ranked No. 4 and No. 7 nationally last week in COVID-19 hospitalization rates. For weeks now, they’ve ranked in the top 10 nationally for new cases. And deaths in both states have sharply spiked to levels far above any seen during the eight-month pandemic.

Worse for Nebraska and Iowa, what’s happening in the Dakotas right now could well portend what’s to come.

(more)

omaha.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:02:15pm

Your semi-regular bit of advice from a hotel front desk grunt: General rule of thumb is that the question “How old to check-in?” is self-answering. If you have to ask, you’re too young to check-in by yourself.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:07:06pm

Killer Kristi in South Dakota and Killer Kim in Iowa…now I wonder what the reaction of the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press would be if they were Democrats????

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:08:53pm

re: #65 🌹UOJB!

Killer Kristi in South Dakota and Killer Kim in Iowa…now I wonder what the reaction of the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press would be if they were Democrats????

At this point? Realistically? They’d be rubbing them in the party’s face, saying “SEE! THESE DEMOCRATS AGREE WITH TRUMP!! OPEN THE COUNTRY UP!!!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:12:00pm
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Teukka  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:14:09pm

🎼 More anime music, this time from the series and movie “Anohana”.
CW: This one is in the “roundhouse kick to the feels” category.

Remedio - I left you

Anohana - I Left You

Lyrics:

Don’t hide your pain
Someday you’ll forget him
Words of comfort and grief
Blow through me and leave

Soon you’ll begin
To see how we’ll get through this
Our home our life built ahead
Will fall for nothing my love…

Just feel me on
Just dear be strong
Just feel me on
I left you
Let the whole world believe that’s true…

I’ve seen so many roads
That lead to where hope surrenders
But stay as strong as the weeds
You never know dear
What life tweeds

Find your new strength
Find your only answer
When fate loses its way
We’ll find each other again someday

Just feel me on
Just dear be strong
Just feel me on
I Left You let the whole world believe
I Left You and they’ll never believe that’s true

Just feel me on
Just dear be strong

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:18:41pm

re: #67 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Who got the lap dance?

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:21:11pm

re: #67 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Who got the lap dance—Jerry Falwell Jr., Franky Graham Cracker or Kenneth Copeland?

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:39:54pm

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:41:21pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2020 • 11:43:09pm

re: #71 🌹UOJB!

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Stormfront Lite

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:07:29am

re: #71 🌹UOJB!

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Reichbook, Fashbook and Flakebook may not be the most accurate descriptions since Parler is the right wing substitute for Twitter and not Facebook. The terms may be more appropriate for MeWe that is the apparent Facebook replacement.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:13:24am

Remember Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nicks?

Those were the days…

YouTube

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:30:33am

re: #67 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

In case you missed it

Kimberly Guilfoyle offered lap dance to big-ticket fundraiser who gave Trump the most money: report

political crack whore

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:41:41am

re: #72 Dread Pirate Ron

Video

I would have taken that for Jefferson Airplane

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:10:23am

Good to see actual numbers. This is of course a disaster, but a disaster for another day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:17:26am

re: #79 ericblair

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Good to see actual numbers. This is of course a disaster, but a disaster for another day.

As with the House: if you count the overall number of votes cast for each party in states like Ohio, the numbers come out nearly equal. Seems that each party should have eight of the 16 seats, or perhaps a 9-7 or 10-6 split.

Ohio Democrats hold four seats.

quoting Wiki here:

On May 3, 2019, a three-judge panel from the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio declared the Ohio’s 2012 district map contrary to Article One of the United States Constitution, as “an unconstitutional partisan gerrymander” and ordered “the enactment of a constitutionally viable replacement” prior to the 2020 presidential election. An appeal made to the Supreme Court resulted in the order to redraw the map being nullified.

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 1:56:14am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As with the House: if you count the overall number of votes cast for each party in states like Ohio, the numbers come out nearly equal. Seems that each party should have eight of the 16 seats, or perhaps a 9-7 or 10-6 split.

Ohio Democrats hold four seats.

The liberal parts of the US are more and more holding the majority of the people and the economic power of the country. The only thing keeping Republicans in power are words on a page: laws and the Constitution, which by the way they are trying to bend and break at every opportunity. Seems that if you want to keep power using only the words on a page, it might be good to have some respect for those words, but what do I know.

As for the far future (that is, beyond next week): the structure of the country may be changed by outside forces we don’t know about yet. Beyond that, I doubt the real problems of the Constitution will ever be fixed by the remedies within the Constitution itself, because the inability to realistically fix the Constitution is the main problem with the Constitution. We’ll probably get to some future political crisis, and the economic and social power of the cities will be overwhelming enough to force a new Constitutional convention regardless of what the current document says. This Constitution was not approved using the rules within the Articles of Confederation, for the same reasons.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:00:42am

re: #81 ericblair

This Constitution was not approved using the rules within the Articles of Confederation, for the same reasons.

Did somebody say Confederation?!? Yee-Haw!!!

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:19:15am

Article from 2018: Emily’s ass is in legal trouble for lying to Congress at the very least, so she’ll have to be forced to cooperate.

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:49:46am

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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I was in vaudeville!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:52:47am

re: #84 dangerman

I was in vaudeville!

I wrote Stairway to Heaven!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:54:00am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Bring in the Oppression Olympics.

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This is her scam, an online clothing boutique that sells forced birth propaganda and accessories.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:55:19am

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

This is her scam, an online clothing boutique that sells forced birth propaganda and accessories.

“I dreamed I was torching an abortion clinic, in my Handmaidenform bra!”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 2:57:30am

Abby is quite an operator in the fundy industrial complex:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:02:32am

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Abby is quite an operator in the fundy industrial complex:

Abby Johnson, who spoke at the Rupublican National Convention last night, is an advocate for one vote per household — “and if husband and wife disagree then husband has final say.”

She is perfectly free to vote in lockstep with her hubby.

But I think that if you pressed her, she would admit that she finds it was a mistake to expand the voting franchise beyond landholding white males.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:15:37am

re: #79 ericblair

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Good to see actual numbers. This is of course a disaster, but a disaster for another day.

Here’s the thing: This is the entire purpose of the Senate. I get that. Where I disagree is that the Senate itself has power out of all proportion to the rest of the legislative process. The Senate is intended to be a safeguard against the tyranny of the majority, but it’s grown into a way for the minority party to completely nullify the will of the majority. I don’t know how I feel about the whole “tyranny of the majority” thing; we need to safeguard the rights of those who are not ruling, but not obstruct legitimate attempts to rule the country. It seems impossible to do both, though.

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steve_davis  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:15:58am

re: #32 Belafon

The diarist invokes the penultimate chapter of the Return if the King to describe what we have to deal with after Trump:

This is the beginning of the middle paragraph:

It goes on to talk about how to deal with those who remain after Trump, based on the story. What we should give to people is a chance to change, but understand that there will be those that won’t.

I love that chapter. firstly, it shows how petty and small saruman actually was once he was pulled from his tower and defanged by Gandalf. Secondly, throughout the entire novel, Merry and Pippin are played a bit for comedy (though it is unforgiveable that Peter Jackson takes things that actually get done by others—the skipping of the rocks that summon the giant lake monster; accidentally knocking the skeleton down the well in Moria [which is done by Gandalf of all people]). But then they arrive back at the Shire and it’s like knights returning from the crusade, or boys coming back from Vietnam who’ve been turned into platoon sergeants. They’re fucking boss.

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steve_davis  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:25:00am

re: #56 🌹UOJB!

Maybe that’s why a bunch of Christians have such hatred of Jews.

I have many many examples of that hate directed at me and my fellow people all of my life.

no, the hatred mostly stems from the Gospel of John. The tradition that John came out of was involved in a really nasty internecine feud with a group of Christians who followed a tradition that only Jews could become Christians, as Jesus was a Jew who came to fulfill a very Jewish prophecy. It’s why John is very explicit about “I am the way and the light. All who believe in me shall have eternal salvation.” And he makes it extra clear that the Jews are solely responsible for Christ’s crucifixion. It seems never to enter many Christians’ heads that their salvation is thanks to Christ sacrificing himself for our sins, so they should find every Jew they can (if John’s interpretation is correct) and shake him/her vigorously by the hand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:32:02am

re: #92 steve_davis

It seems never to enter many Christians’ heads that their salvation is thanks to Christ sacrificing himself for our sins, so they should find every Jew they can (if John’s interpretation is correct) and shake him/her vigorously by the hand.

was there not some film about Muslim time travelers wanting to go back in time and prevent the Crucifixion so Jesus would not fulfill the prophecy?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:35:37am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

was there not some film about Muslim time travelers wanting to go back in time and prevent the Crucifixion so Jesus would not fulfill the prophecy?

That would be rather odd, as generally, Muslim doctrine is that the crucifixion did indeed take place, but that it wasn’t actually Jesus but rather, someone mistaken for Jesus - Allah brought Jesus to Paradise (much like we see in Elijah) without death, and Jesus is now waiting for his return, where he will join the Mahdi and defeat the enemies of God.

First part of that is from the Qur’an, second part from the Hadith.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:36:44am

re: #94 Dr Lizardo

That would be rather odd, as generally, Muslim doctrine is that the crucifixion did indeed take place, but that it wasn’t actually Jesus but rather, someone mistaken for Jesus - Allah brought Jesus to Paradise (much like we see in Elijah) without death, and Jesus is now waiting for his return, where he will join the Mahdi and defeat the enemies of God.

First part of that is from the Qur’an, second part from the Hadith.

I recall seeing a preview of some sort of film about Muslim time travelers trying to prevent Christianity from happening

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:37:37am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:39:01am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither is on your side, pound the table threaten them with violence.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:39:45am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall seeing a preview of some sort of film about Muslim time travelers trying to prevent Christianity from happening

Heh - but from a theological POV, that would be major mistake as Islam derives from Christianity as well as Judaism. It considers itself a reformist movement of both previous religions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:43:39am

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

Heh - but from a theological POV, that would be major mistake as Islam derives from Christianity as well as Judaism. It considers itself a reformist movement of both previous religions.

It does not matter as the Christian Hero intervenes and disrupts the Evil Moslem millionaire’s plot…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:48:01am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does not matter as the Christian Hero intervenes and disrupts the Evil Moslem millionaire’s plot…

Ah, OK. Sounds like the screenplay was written by someone who doesn’t even have the most rudimentary knowledge of Islam. Or, more likely, some Christian fundie wingnut deliberately distorting Islamic theology.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 3:49:39am

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

Ah, OK. Sounds like the screenplay was written by someone who doesn’t even have the most rudimentary knowledge of Islam. Or, more likely, some Christian fundie wingnut deliberately distorting Islamic theology.

you nailed it. I am not sure that it was ever even finished, just used as a grifting The Producers-style scam.

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Nojay UK  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:35:12am

Moderna has released interim results from their third-stage testing of their vaccine candidate. It appears to perform as well as the Pfizer candidate announced about a week ago, 95% conferred immunity. The numbers are well out of the statistical-noise region.

bbc.co.uk

It’s still interim results, of course. There don’t seem to have been any noticeable adverse effects in the testees given the non-placebo vaccine.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:37:16am

re: #102 Nojay UK

This is good news.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:39:26am

How Ronald Reagan’s Coded Racism Paved the Way for Trump

A former entertainment personality decides, in his later years, to go into politics. To curry favor with the Republican Party whose nomination he seeks, he cozies up to red-state extremists and evangelicals via a healthy dose of racist dog whistles. He couples that with decrying communists, liberalism, and anyone out in the streets protesting for social justice. To top it off, he then aligns himself with corporate America, running on a pro-free market, anti-regulation, tax-cutting ticket that aims to benefit the 1-percenters who make up the most powerful portion of his base—and help keep him and his family living in the lap of luxury.

Sound familiar? Of course it does, although in this instance, I’m not talking about our outgoing president, Donald Trump, but our 40th commander-in-chief, Ronald Reagan.

I especially despise Reagan for bringing the carnival barker pulpit pimps of the “religious right” into politics. He not only legitimized and promoted them as a political force, he gave them an actual role in government, with dire consequences for science, reason, civil rights, and public ethics. None other than Barry Goldwater saw the threat clearly, but he was ignored in the rush to exploit this powerful new method of grifting the rubes. Both the Christian religion and the Republican Party have been corrupted almost beyond redemption as a result.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:47:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 4:55:29am

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

“Young bucks” black thugs on food stamps
“Welfare queens” unmarried black moms
“The best social program for a man is a job” Get lazy blacks off welfare

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:25:50am

every time trump loses an election related lawsuit
every time a recount is finished and changed…mostly nothing

it reinforces the accuracy and legitimacy of biden’s win

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:30:59am

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:32:43am

re: #107 dangerman

every time trump loses an election related lawsuit
every time a recount is finished and changed…mostly nothing

it reinforces the accuracy and legitimacy of biden’s win

Yep and it’s driving the MAGAts insane. They simply cannot process it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:35:20am

Iota about to hit Nicaragua:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:35:38am
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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:36:37am

re: Yeah Sure WhatEVs:

If you’re in doubt about what it would take to convince hardcore MAGAts to come back to reality, here is your answer. My heart goes out to the medical staffs having to deal with all this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:42:53am

re: #112 ericblair

re: Yeah Sure WhatEVs:

If you’re in doubt about what it would take to convince hardcore MAGAts to come back to reality, here is your answer. My heart goes out to the medical staffs having to deal with all this.

This is a disease, not just a political viewpoint.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:46:27am

Iota is impressive on satellite:

Image: floater-floater-AL312020-band13-48fr-20201116-0837.gif

Iota will hit the same area already ravaged by a major hurricane just a few days ago. The rain alone will cause major damage.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:47:00am

re: #112 ericblair

re: Yeah Sure WhatEVs:

If you’re in doubt about what it would take to convince hardcore MAGAts to come back to reality, here is your answer. My heart goes out to the medical staffs having to deal with all this.

That’s the lady who posted that 4 tweet thread (posted above) who was interviewed because of that thread.

It’s heartbreaking. I feel horrible for the collateral damage, but damn these people to hell. Removing them from the gene pool will collectively raise the US IQ significantly.

If Republicans are so intent on dying, stay home and allow those who didn’t take every known risk to get the medical care they deserve.

I realize how heartless this sounds but come on. Use some damned common sense.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:47:57am

Enough cultural pressure can make you feel good about flying your Zero into a troopship. When you do that you’re not crazy, you are the paragon of virtue and patriotism.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:48:04am

re: #112 ericblair

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only thing that should be done is to give the COVIDiots this card:

and be done with it.

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:48:16am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Fucking asshole lunatics.

This is the same woman who has lied about her connections to Planned Parenthood:

texasmonthly.com

And who has said that it would be perfectly OK for the police to treat her adopted son of color as a putative criminal:

“Statistically, my brown son is more likely to commit a violent offense over my white sons,” anti-abortion activist Abby Johnson said in a YouTube video earlier this year.

vice.com

She is a horrible, horrible person and this is completely on-brand for her.

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:48:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:50:05am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

The only thing that should be done is to give the COVIDiots this card:

and to all those who refuse vaccination without a valid medical reason

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:55:11am

re: #118 mmmirele

“Statistically, my brown son is more likely to be arrested and convicted for committing a violent offense over my white sons,” anti-abortion activist Abby Johnson said in a YouTube video earlier this year..

the whole “black have a higher crime rate” assumes that race plays no role in who is arrested and convicted in the course of solving crimes…as it is, conviction rates have to do with arrest rates, and the choice of who to arrest lies in the hands of same fellows who find it necessary to draw guns and use excessive force on anyone who seems “suspicious” to their eyes…

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:56:08am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would have taken that for Jefferson Airplane

Very similar song structure to Airplane’s ‘Lather.’

Jefferson Airplane - Lather

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 5:58:56am

This one apparently doesn’t require refrigeration.

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A Cranky One  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:01:33am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:04:52am

re: #122 makeitstop

Very similar song structure to Airplane’s ‘Lather.’

exactly what I had in mind

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:06:22am

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

Yep and it’s driving the MAGAts insane. They simply cannot process it.

They keep being told by Trump and rightwing media that there is massive evidence of fraud, so they are supremely confident that Trump will be found to have won and there will be a second term. Anything else is “fake news”, and they believe we are the ones being lied to.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:07:20am
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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:08:42am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly what I had in mind

I remember seeing Micky perform that song on the Monkees TV show, sitting in front of a huge old Moog synth.

Young me thought the song was kinda insane at the time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:08:51am

re: #126 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They keep being told by Trump and rightwing media that there is massive evidence of fraud, so they are supremely confident that Trump will be found to have won and there will be a second term. Anything else is “fake news”, and they believe we are the ones being lied to.

They believed that he won the popular vote in 2016 and that Hillary fabricated 3 million votes.

They believe that Covid is an overplayed Democratic hoax.

Convincing them that he won in 2020 and that Biden fabricated 5 million votes is literally child’s play…

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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:09:02am

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Enough cultural pressure can make you feel good about flying your Zero into a troopship. When you do that you’re not crazy, you are the paragon of virtue and patriotism.

I’d argue flying your Zero into a troopship is a pretty low bar for things people do that are crazy due to cultural pressure, you’re only dying for your country in battle which is something every soldier is trained to do on some level, and you’re only attacking actual enemy soldiers.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:09:36am
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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:10:48am

I had a belated thought hit me when I woke up this morning.

Last night we had a tornado warning for just about all of southern New York state. In the middle of November.

Yeah, that’s totally normal.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:11:04am

re: #126 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They keep being told by Trump and rightwing media that there is massive evidence of fraud, so they are supremely confident that Trump will be found to have won and there will be a second term. Anything else is “fake news”, and they believe we are the ones being lied to.

When Biden is certified as the winner of the EC (and he will be) and is duly sworn in on 20 January 2021, I can only imagine the absolute meltdown that’s gonna happen.

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jeffreyw  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:12:17am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:14:36am

re: #127 makeitstop

Oh, the shade.

There is “manhood” then there is Alpha-malehood. They are not identical.

In the end, Alpha is merely a designation that relates to an animal’s (temporary) status in the herd/pack/tribe and only indirectly describes its character or attributes.

And as somebody pointed out here, those who do not understand what a concept really means (religion, patriotism, masculinity) are the ones who cling the most desperately to the arbitrary and often changing symbols we attach to them (crucifixes, flags and alpha posturing)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:14:43am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

When Biden is certified as the winner of the EC (and he will be) and is duly sworn in on 20 January 2021, I can only imagine the absolute meltdown that’s gonna happen.

So sad. You really love to see it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:17:36am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

When Biden is certified as the winner of the EC (and he will be) and is duly sworn in on 20 January 2021, I can only imagine the absolute meltdown that’s gonna happen.

Don Jr was already tweeting about “70 million pissed-off Republicans and no cities in flames!”

Which is impressive as only last week an Antifa officer shot an unarmed Republican in the back seven times in front of his children and BLM thugs knelt on the neck of another unarmed Republican until he suffocated and faced no legal consequences…

But yeah, find that Don Jr tweet and tote it out again after Biden is sworn in and the chivarees really start.

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A Cranky One  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:21:29am

Saying good afternoon to the pets.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:27:32am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

When Biden is certified as the winner of the EC (and he will be) and is duly sworn in on 20 January 2021, I can only imagine the absolute meltdown that’s gonna happen.

It might be tempered a little bit by having to scream it through a ventilator.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:28:26am

re: #65 🌹UOJB!

Killer Kristi in South Dakota and Killer Kim in Iowa…now I wonder what the reaction of the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press would be if they were Democrats????

We’re going to find that out because come January 20, every death will be treated as being due entirely to Biden - all those that preceded January 20 and every one after.

Because that’s how the media and the right wing will play it. They’ll claim that Democrats should have stopped the spread despite GOP best efforts to obstruct. They’ll claim that the body count is now so much higher because of Biden and public health experts who wanted masking/social distancing.

You can see the pivot. They don’t care that they’re engaging in cognitive dissonance or just play fuckery. They’ll just spew this nonsense and slag Biden.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:31:24am

An interesting story out of Vancouver, WA here:

Miracles and churches go hand-in-hand. But, as crews with 3 Kings Environmental began the work of tearing down the oldest church building in downtown Vancouver, they discovered that the greatest miracle of all may have been the fact the 108-year-old structure has remained standing all these years.

The building at 11th Street and Esther, most recently home to the west side campus for New Heights Church, was built in 1912, four years after a fire destroyed the original 1885 church.

clarkcountytoday.com

Some pretty good photos there.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:32:39am

Heh:

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:33:37am
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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:36:39am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:37:37am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall seeing a preview of some sort of film about Muslim time travelers trying to prevent Christianity from happening

Sounds like something Kirk Cameron would star in, or be involved in the production thereof.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:38:14am

re: #143 Belafon

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I’m at a 5 already. I am 1000% done with today.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:39:15am

re: #144 Belafon

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:39:55am

Meanwhile, over in Fantasyland…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:40:02am

re: #108 sagehen

there’s no such thing as “leftover” garlic knots. None of them are ever left over.

I miss those. But that’s true for most bread-like products as I cut way down on carbs as part of the Type 2 diabetes diet.

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:41:24am

He and 48% of america are delusional

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:41:54am
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:43:58am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:44:12am

re: #150 dangerman

He and 48% of america are delusional

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Well, that’s it i guess. Biden has to concede now.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:47:10am

re: #151 Belafon

If there’s widespread adoption of a vaccine, and there’s masking/social distancing in place to avoid a complete collapse of health care providers over this winter, next summer might be closer to normal. There’s hope, but hope isn’t strategy and it is not a plan.

Trump has no plan and no strategy. In fact, all he’s done is sabotage efforts, because he’s not even sharing whatever plan he has for vaccination distribution with the incoming Biden admin, which means that the Biden team is going to work from scratch (well, they probably are even if we have total cooperation from Trumpworld tomorrow).

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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:48:20am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

When Biden is certified as the winner of the EC (and he will be) and is duly sworn in on 20 January 2021, I can only imagine the absolute meltdown that’s gonna happen.

You would think so.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:50:40am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don Jr was already tweeting about “70 million pissed-off Republicans and no cities in flames!”

Which is impressive as only last week an Antifa officer shot an unarmed Republican in the back seven times in front of his children and BLM thugs knelt on the neck of another unarmed Republican until he suffocated and faced no legal consequences…

But yeah, find that Don Jr tweet and tote it out again after Biden is sworn in and the chivarees really start.

So a candidate’s popular vote numbers are meaningful to conservatives now. Even when they lose the popular vote, too. Again.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:53:30am

Wolfgang Van Halen released his first single today. Tears.

Mammoth WVH - Distance (OFFICIAL VIDEO)

Kid’s gonna be okay. Just like his dad, he’s got some real talent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:56:48am

re: #156 Sir John Barron

So a candidate’s popular vote numbers are meaningful to conservatives now. Even when they lose the popular vote, too. Again.

He was just saying that very few of them have turned violent *yet*.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:57:15am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall seeing a preview of some sort of film about Muslim time travelers trying to prevent Christianity from happening

I read that book. Jesus died before the crucifixtion, so an actor from the 20th Century took his place to save Christianity.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:57:31am

Question. How is this “alpha male” stuff any different from the latino “machismo” that has been widely derided in the past. To a decent degree by the same talking heads?

(The Wiki article on “machismo” does point out that the underlying concept has both positive and negative sides. But it’s still a hypermasculinity thing that essentially treats woman as second class citizens at best if not outright property.)

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:58:35am

re: #160 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Question. How is this “alpha male” stuff any different from the latino “machismo” that has been widely derided in the past. To a decent degree by the same talking heads?

(The Wiki article on “machismo” does point out that the underlying concept has both positive and negative sides. But it’s still a hypermasculinity thing that essentially treats woman as second class citizens at best if not outright property.)

We don’t speak no Espanyul here in ‘Merica.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 6:59:12am

re: #92 steve_davis

no, the hatred mostly stems from the Gospel of John. The tradition that John came out of was involved in a really nasty internecine feud with a group of Christians who followed a tradition that only Jews could become Christians, as Jesus was a Jew who came to fulfill a very Jewish prophecy. It’s why John is very explicit about “I am the way and the light. All who believe in me shall have eternal salvation.” And he makes it extra clear that the Jews are solely responsible for Christ’s crucifixion. It seems never to enter many Christians’ heads that their salvation is thanks to Christ sacrificing himself for our sins, so they should find every Jew they can (if John’s interpretation is correct) and shake him/her vigorously by the hand.

There is no prophecy in the Hebrew scriptures that was fulfilled by Jesus.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:06:13am

re: #157 makeitstop

Meanwhile, AC/DC dropped one of their best albums in years…

Realize

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garzooma  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:08:31am

re: #123 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This one apparently doesn’t require refrigeration.

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Not exactly. It does require refrigeration, but a lot less. From CNN:

Pfizer’s vaccine has to be kept at minus 75 degrees Celsius. No other vaccine in the US needs to be kept that cold, and doctors’ offices and pharmacies do not have freezers that go that low.

Moderna’s vaccine can be kept at minus 20 degrees Celsius. Other vaccines, such as the one against chickenpox, need to be kept at that temperature.

That means Moderna’s vaccine can be kept in “a readily available freezer that is available in most doctors’ offices and pharmacies,” Zacks said. “We leverage infrastructure that already exists for other marketed vaccines.”

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:16:13am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

They have such a deep catalog of songs; these are songs that didn’t make earlier albums.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:18:10am

re: #160 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Question. How is this “alpha male” stuff any different from the latino “machismo” that has been widely derided in the past. To a decent degree by the same talking heads?

Now it involves slipping roofies to underage girls…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:25:40am

In the ongoing battle against fascism, NY State is going to play a key role. We have to assume that Trump will pardon himself for his federal crimes, and SOCTUS will rule it constitutional by a 5-4 vote. While I like to think Trump will be physically and mentally incapable of running in 2024, he barely functions now and came close to winning. The government’s current head fascist, Mitch McConnell, will do everything in his power to cripple the country’s economy and blame Biden for it. So it would be very helpful if NY State indicts and convictsTrump, and incarcerates him for the crimes he committed there.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:35:06am
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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:39:32am

Swedish contingent of the Lizardim Cabal checking in:
The government here has decided to implement a prohibition of public gatherings larger than eight (8) people, which is stricter than the recommendations before, which means fines or up to one year in prison for violating government command (Chapter 17, Section 13 of the Penal Code).
It would not suprise me if prosecution chambers may take a harsher look on violations which cause people to become infected, such as prosecuting people for recklessness with poison or disease (Ch. 13, Section 9), which carries a penalty of fines or up to two years imprisonment, or spreading of poison or disease (Ch. 13, Section 7) which carries a penatly of up to 6 years imprisonment, or 18 to life for aggravated cases.
Going from recommendation to prohibition like this is unheard of in modern times.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:39:40am

He’s at it again.

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:40:35am

re: #170 The Pie Overlord!

He’s at it again.

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So tempting to tweet a reply:
“Maw! Donnie’s doing it again!”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:41:21am

re: #164 garzooma

Not exactly. It does require refrigeration, but a lot less. From CNN:

That’s what I meant. Inarticulate on my part. Sorry!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:46:44am

re: #168 The Pie Overlord!

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Fascism is so dangerous because its followers are completely disengaged from reality. Trump’s tweets are the only reality; so much so that they will insist with their dying breath that covid is a hoax. This makes them perfect tools for the theft and genocide fascist leaders perpetrate, performed by the hard core of believers who know they are fascists and glory in corruption and violence.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:48:00am

re: #169 Teukka

Swedish contingent of the Lizardim Cabal checking in:
The government here has decided to implement a prohibition of public gatherings larger than eight (8) people, which is stricter than the recommendations before, which means fines or up to one year in prison for violating government command (Chapter 17, Section 13 of the Penal Code).
It would not suprise me if prosecution chambers may take a harsher look on violations which cause people to become infected, such as prosecuting people for recklessness with poison or disease (Ch. 13, Section 9), which carries a penalty of fines or up to two years imprisonment, or spreading of poison or disease (Ch. 13, Section 7) which carries a penatly of up to 6 years imprisonment, or 18 to life for aggravated cases.
Going from recommendation to prohibition like this is unheard of in modern times.

So the Swedish model the American Right has been touting is a failure.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:50:34am

Trump’s tweeting from the bunker again.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:56:11am

Another loss for Team Loser. 1-21

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:56:12am

re: #174 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So the Swedish model the American Right has been touting is a failure.

More that it wouldn’t work in the US, people are more inclined to heed government recommendations here than in the US. From what I gather, govt hasn’t needed to get heavy-handed until now to combat the crowned asshole, they’re trying to avoid a repeat of the situation this spring (TL;DR field hospitals to cope, overtime galore for health care workers). There are also constitutional restrictions that prevent certain actions to be taken, this new prohibtion will only be in effect for 4 weeks, and if necessary will be extended by 4 weeks more if needed. Anything more needs the country to go into what in Swedish Legal lingo is called a “war or a warlike state”, which isn’t easy to do. And that would means two more chapters of the penal code become active…

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:58:26am

Edited for proper link.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 7:59:15am

re: #176 makeitstop

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:00:29am

All these citizen lawsuits…

Why file and withdraw? What’s the point?

Who is funding them?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:01:00am
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:01:59am

re: #176 makeitstop

They’ve won a case? Didn’t know that.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:03:03am

re: #180 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

All these citizen lawsuits…

Why file and withdraw? What’s the point?

Who is funding them?

The lawsuits are “self funding” File suit, get attention, and then quietly drop them when there’s no substance to any of them.

The lawyers filing these should be sanctioned and disciplined. That they aren’t is a travesty to date. Trump’s legal team should be referred to the state bar associations for discipline. It’s nuts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:04:24am

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

They’ve won a case? Didn’t know that.

The one to have the late votes in PA segregated.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:04:32am

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

When Biden is certified as the winner of the EC (and he will be) and is duly sworn in on 20 January 2021, I can only imagine the absolute meltdown that’s gonna happen.

This is very bad. 48% of the population — a very armed 48% — are buying into this lie thanks to their absolute worship of Agolf and their loyalty to media that promote this narrative. Hitler started with a much lower percentage of public support. These are the type of people who brought us Timothy McVeigh, who tried to assassinate Gabby Gifford, who gave us Dylann Roof, who caused the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre, who tried to kidnap Governor Whitmer… The “stab in the back” story can be a very effective motivator of those who belong to the cult. And think how many buy into the QAnon fantasy?

We are trying to climb out of the darkness but instead of supporting the legitimacy of the Biden election, the GOP is working overtime to push us back into it. Yes — most of the state-level party in GOP-run states that awarded Biden their votes are behaving like loyal Americans. But that’s not true of all of them. And several GOP AGs — including Daniel Cameron, he of Breonna Taylor fame — are trying to force SCOTUS to rule that Biden did not win Pennsylvania. The failure of McConnell and the rest of the Washington GOP to announce that Biden has won signals dark days ahead.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:04:54am

re: #134 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:05:11am

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

They’ve won a case? Didn’t know that.

The win was actually a loss.

It’s one where the court insisted that they segregate late arriving ballots.

The state was already doing that.

Given that Trump was behind there, the win doesn’t help Trump gain votes; it may only keep him from losing by an even bigger margin.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:10:17am

re: #187 lawhawk

The win was actually a loss.

It’s one where the court insisted that they segregate late arriving ballots.

The state was already doing that.

Given that Trump was behind there, the win doesn’t help Trump gain votes; it may only keep him from losing by an even bigger margin.

Alito did order Pennsylvania to segregate votes it was segregating anyway, but I think the win was in a case concerning the deadline for voters to cure a failure to sign ballots or something, which did nothing to help Trump reverse Biden’s victory.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:12:56am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Okay. Just remembering that now. That’s the Supreme Court case. Thanks.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:13:03am

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

This is very bad. 48% of the population — a very armed 48% — are buying into this lie thanks to their absolute worship of Agolf and their loyalty to media that promote this narrative. Hitler started with a much lower percentage of public support. These are the type of people who brought us Timothy McVeigh, who tried to assassinate Gabby Gifford, who gave us Dylann Roof, who caused the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre, who tried to kidnap Governor Whitmer… The “stab in the back” story can be a very effective motivator of those who belong to the cult. And think how many buy into the QAnon fantasy?

We are trying to climb out of the darkness but instead of supporting the legitimacy of the Biden election, the GOP is working overtime to push us back into it. Yes — most of the state-level party in GOP-run states that awarded Biden their votes are behaving like loyal Americans. But that’s not true of all of them. And several GOP AGs — including Daniel Cameron, he of Breonna Taylor fame — are trying to force SCOTUS to rule that Biden did not win Pennsylvania. The failure of McConnell and the rest of the Washington GOP to announce that Biden has won signals dark days ahead.

Most Republicans accept that Biden is the next president.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:13:51am
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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:14:02am

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

They’ve won a case? Didn’t know that.

Yes, they ‘won’ the case in Philly that let the observers get closer to the counting. For whatever good that did them.

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:14:56am

re: #190 Belafon

Most Republicans accept that Biden is the next president.

“Most” is a fairly flexible concept: maybe true, but it’s the ones who don’t that we have to worry about.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:16:52am
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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:16:56am

re: #172 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That’s what I meant. Inarticulate on my part. Sorry!

The report I heard said it was stable for six months at -20 degrees and for 30 days at “normal” refrigeration. Much better…

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:17:22am

I’d imagine that filing lawsuit after lawsuit isn’t exactly winning them many friends.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:17:27am

re: #176 makeitstop

Another loss for Team Loser. 1-21

So they have the same start as the 1988 Orioles :).

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:17:38am

re: #193 Jay C

“Most” is a fairly flexible concept: maybe true, but it’s the ones who don’t that we have to worry about.

Yes, but that means the percentage of troublemakers is far lower than 48%. I totally know it’s not zero, but it’s not half the country.

I’ll put it to you this way, I expect almost all of the Republicans where I work to act exactly the same way on January 21st as they did on October 1st.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:18:26am

re: #194 Patricia Kayden

It definitely is. And I think Biden does even better with the male and white vote if he had a white dude running mate but Harris was and is the best pick he could have gone with.

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:19:31am

re: #188 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Alito did order Pennsylvania to segregate votes it was segregating anyway, but I think the win was in a case concerning the deadline for voters to cure a failure to sign ballots or something, which did nothing to help Trump reverse Biden’s victory.

So, all these judges that the goopers are so proud of didn’t make a damn bit of difference in getting the yam reinstated as President? So not only did FOX News fail, the conservative courts have failed, and the gooper congresscritters and senators haven’t done a damn thing! Hey, Georgia Republicans, it looks like there’s absolutely no point in getting more gooper senators elected, doesn’t it?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:22:08am

re: #194 Patricia Kayden

To which every woman everywhere says DUH.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:22:56am

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

This is very bad. 48% of the population — a very armed 48% — are buying into this lie thanks to their absolute worship of Agolf and their loyalty to media that promote this narrative. Hitler started with a much lower percentage of public support. These are the type of people who brought us Timothy McVeigh, who tried to assassinate Gabby Gifford, who gave us Dylann Roof, who caused the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre, who tried to kidnap Governor Whitmer… The “stab in the back” story can be a very effective motivator of those who belong to the cult. And think how many buy into the QAnon fantasy?

We are trying to climb out of the darkness but instead of supporting the legitimacy of the Biden election, the GOP is working overtime to push us back into it. Yes — most of the state-level party in GOP-run states that awarded Biden their votes are behaving like loyal Americans. But that’s not true of all of them. And several GOP AGs — including Daniel Cameron, he of Breonna Taylor fame — are trying to force SCOTUS to rule that Biden did not win Pennsylvania. The failure of McConnell and the rest of the Washington GOP to announce that Biden has won signals dark days ahead.

Someone or other did a poll that found that 80% of Americans agreed that Biden won the election. The deniers are just very, very loud.

(Million-man-march drew maybe ten thousand, Twitter doesn’t reflect reality, yada, yada.)

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:28:34am
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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:29:56am

That’s terrible. Oh no, wait, the other thing. Great. Yeah.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:30:44am

re: #194 Patricia Kayden

I examined PA’s exit polls for @DecisionDeskHQ’s newsletter and one area Biden really improved over Hillary was men. She got 83% and 32% of black and white men while he got 89% and 37% respectively. Biden also tied Trump with white male college grads while Hillary trailed by 15

Sexism played no small part in it, but the thing is, a lot of people really disliked Hillary.
Heck I did not like her, but I voted for her as the better candidate.
But for a lot of people, the Presidential election is a personality contest as much as anything else.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:31:08am

re: #204 ericblair

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That’s terrible. Oh no, wait, the other thing. Great. Yeah.

He will turn on every one of you if it serves his purpose.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:31:39am

re: #203 lawhawk

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:31:49am

re: #200 ericblair

So, all these judges that the goopers are so proud of didn’t make a damn bit of difference in getting the yam reinstated as President? So not only did FOX News fail, the conservative courts have failed, and the gooper congresscritters and senators haven’t done a damn thing! Hey, Georgia Republicans, it looks like there’s absolutely no point in getting more gooper senators elected, doesn’t it?

While you’re mostly right, I think some problems with your thesis are that:
1. Election issues, in the several states, are first handled at the state-court level: where the sort of GOP-led “court-packing” initiatives Mitch Connell has pushed may/may not have had much effect.
2. As I have been harping on repeatedly, I think the peculiarities of this year’s election have prompted states to make extra-sure their voting systems are secure and accurate. And proof against:
3. The sort of “cases” the Trump campaign has been bringing so far: so ludicrously inadequate that even the Republican lawyers bringing them are starting to bail.
4. Representatives and Senators don’t have any direct influence on elections (except, perhaps, in crafting regulatory legislation, which is never retroactive). State Legislators have more power to influence voting, since it’s done at the State level: but again, can only usually affect future elections.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:32:29am

re: #204 ericblair

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That’s terrible. Oh no, wait, the other thing. Great. Yeah.

Yeah well, they thought they’d easily lose the senate and that didn’t work out. Yet.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:35:36am

re: #202 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Someone or other did a poll that found that 80% of Americans agreed that Biden won the election. The deniers are just very, very loud.

(Million-man-march drew maybe ten thousand, Twitter doesn’t reflect reality, yada, yada.)

We’re also looking at 48% of the 65% or so who voted. There’s no way to asses the missing 35% of voting-age Americans, but it might not be evenly-shared. The Trump vote might not be that much higher than the Crazification Factor, even with the weight of a major political party behind it.

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:36:08am

re: #208 Jay C

While you’re mostly right, I think some problems with your thesis are that:
1. Election issues, in the several states, are first handled at the state-court level: where the sort of GOP-led “court-packing” initiatives Mitch Connell has pushed may/may not have had much effect.
2. As I have been harping on repeatedly, I think the peculiarities of this year’s election have prompted states to make extra-sure their voting systems are secure and accurate. And proof against:
3. The sort of “cases” the Trump campaign has been bringing so far: so ludicrously inadequate that even the Republican lawyers bringing them are starting to bail.
4. Representatives and Senators don’t have any direct influence on elections (except, perhaps, in crafting regulatory legislation, which is never retroactive). State Legislators have more power to influence voting, since it’s done at the State level: but again, can only usually affect future elections.

Oh, you’re completely right. But that’s not what Republicans are taught to think. Trump told them the conservative courts would fix Republicans in power for good, and Trump whines that the Republicans in Congress don’t have his back about Sleepy Joe STEALING THE ELECTION. So this message isn’t for sensible, informed people, it’s for Republican voters.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:37:47am

re: #209 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Yeah well, they thought they’d easily lose the senate and that didn’t work out. Yet.

We do have to figure out why Democrats underperformed in the polls. Of course, it could just come down to my repeatedly stated belief that it’s impossible to get a good political poll these days. We’re flying dark and there’s no good way to illuminate it. Unless it turns out that it was DeJoy and mail-in ballots that did us in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:38:06am

re: #211 ericblair

Oh, you’re completely right. But that’s not what Republicans are taught to think. Trump told them the conservative courts would fix Republicans in power for good, and Trump whines that the Republicans in Congress don’t have his back about Sleepy Joe STEALING THE ELECTION. So this message isn’t for sensible, informed people, it’s for Republican voters.

Had it really been closer and only come down to one state, then this ploy might have worked.

But still, the GOP gained seats down-ticket. That is either very refined or very poorly managed vote tampering on the part of the GOP.

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:39:36am

re: #202 A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!

Someone or other did a poll that found that 80% of Americans agreed that Biden won the election. The deniers are just very, very loud.

(Million-man-march drew maybe ten thousand, Twitter doesn’t reflect reality, yada, yada.)

That would be the Million MAGA march that drew only a few thousand. The actual Million Man March from October 1995 that was staged by Louis Farrakhan (this was before the level of his personal toxicity was exposed to the public, and relegated the Nation of Islam to becoming a much less influential fringe element) was the one that brought in around 400,000.

As to the primary point - keeping track of all of the cases that have actually come up to judge(s) for adjudication, I can’t think of a single vote that has been actually gained by the Trump campaign. None. Zero. The only case that has had any traction at all, isn’t one that would have any influence on counted votes, either. From what I see on the ‘pending’ dockets, the cases that they are trying to get *ALL* votes tossed out are going absolutely nowhere, as even the attorneys representing Trump on these are getting very cold feet on filing due to the judges taking a very narrow view on people wasting the court’s time.

The bigger question is when Trump and his followers discover that they are not going to be getting *ANY* legal relief, and the states start certifying the votes, and electoral college members don’t go along with Trump’s scheme, where do they go from there?

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ericblair  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:40:00am

re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter

We do have to figure out why Democrats underperformed in the polls. Of course, it could just come down to my repeatedly stated belief that it’s impossible to get a good political poll these days. We’re flying dark and there’s no good way to illuminate it. Unless it turns out that it was DeJoy and mail-in ballots that did us in.

And my next question after that: what happens to the late mail-in ballots now. I want them tabulated and published. I assume they could be considered evidence in possible criminal cases regarding abuse of the mail system.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:41:16am

re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter

We do have to figure out why Democrats underperformed in the polls. Of course, it could just come down to my repeatedly stated belief that it’s impossible to get a good political poll these days. We’re flying dark and there’s no good way to illuminate it. Unless it turns out that it was DeJoy and mail-in ballots that did us in.

It’s not that they “underperformed.” It’s more that we had historical turnout and that brought our base and it brought out their base too. Percentage wise the demographic coalition that Biden won is similar to that of Obama’s. The thing ultimately is many white and especially male voters are going to vote for the GOP regardless and that’s especially true in rural and exurban areas.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:41:51am

re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter

We do have to figure out why Democrats underperformed in the polls. Of course, it could just come down to my repeatedly stated belief that it’s impossible to get a good political poll these days. We’re flying dark and there’s no good way to illuminate it. Unless it turns out that it was DeJoy and mail-in ballots that did us in.

We also have to remember that about a million Floridians were disenfranchised because of a poll tax. If they can regain their right to vote, Florida may not remain red.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:43:05am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Had it really been closer and only come down to one state, then this ploy might have worked.

But still, the GOP gained seats down-ticket. That is either very refined or very poorly managed vote tampering on the part of the GOP.

That shows that Republicans like being Republicans, but a significant portion admitted that Trump is bullshit. For whatever reason, significant numbers of Democrats didn’t like HRC in 2016.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:44:43am

re: #215 ericblair

And my next question after that: what happens to the late mail-in ballots now. I want them tabulated and published. I assume they could be considered evidence in possible criminal cases regarding abuse of the mail system.

That too. And lemme go back to this, Biden got the highest percentage of the popular vote (and yes I know all about the EC but the percentage is even higher there) of a challenger in 88 years. He has a mandate. It’s just not huge. A lot of the Congressional seats lost or were close were and are in places that aren’t fully on board with voting straight Democratic tickets yet but if we play this right, I think we can mitigate damage in the midterms and maybe even win back hte Senate. I think we should do the Q nuts like Bohmert in Colorado or Greene in Georgia what they’ve done with AOC. Put a face on Republican extremism and tell the electorate that people like that will be voting for a Speaker McCarthy and defacto a Judiciary Chair Jordan.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:44:56am

re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter

We do have to figure out why Democrats underperformed in the polls. Of course, it could just come down to my repeatedly stated belief that it’s impossible to get a good political poll these days. We’re flying dark and there’s no good way to illuminate it. Unless it turns out that it was DeJoy and mail-in ballots that did us in.

Someone said “defund the police” was a major issue because no one wants to not have police. But “fund mental health professionals to work with chips and de militarize them” doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:46:59am

re: #220 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Someone said “defund the police” was a major issue because no one wants to not have police. But “fund mental health professionals to work with chips and de militarize them” doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker.

I think defund was a bad slogan and I have no problem saying that. I had to explain to a lot of people that what people meant was a reallocation of funds. Hell my biggest problem with the Drug War is is takes the police focus off of violent crimes like sexual assault and murder and we should absolutely be funding those type of cops. Plus I think there’s a disconnect. I hear people talk RIGHTFULLY about how we need to punish more corporate crooks and then defund the cops in another breath. People were willing to listen to ideas about reform and I still hope that the CBC/Harris/Booker bill can pass the House again and hopefully we’ll have the edge in the Senate after the Georgia run offs.

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stpaulbear  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:50:24am

OK, this is a complete distraction from the morning news, but Duluth Harbor Cam posted this time lapse of a couple ships coming in early this morning while the sun rose. I wish it was a couple minutes longer because some of the sunrises over Lake Superior this week have been explosions of reds, oranges and purples. That’s glare ice on the piers. Not very safe for walking.

Just passing Time - Morning Daybreak over Lake Superior - 11/16/2020

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:51:23am

Scott Altas is actually pimping Parler now on his twitter account. Thank Dog these fuckers are gone in 60+ days.

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A Cranky One  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:51:56am

re: #222 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Do they make kits of the porn shop and crematorium to go alongside?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:52:04am

re: #212 Hecuba’s daughter

We do have to figure out why Democrats underperformed in the polls. Of course, it could just come down to my repeatedly stated belief that it’s impossible to get a good political poll these days. We’re flying dark and there’s no good way to illuminate it. Unless it turns out that it was DeJoy and mail-in ballots that did us in.

DeJoy’s fuckery was huge. We’re lucky to have won. That these incompetent idiots telegraphed their fuckery so far in advance was the only saving grace.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:52:48am

re: #204 ericblair

Please let that be so!!

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:55:33am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:55:58am

Question: Do we know where the Trump team is getting the money to pay for 25 lawsuits? I thought his campaign was broke.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:57:19am

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Do we know where the Trump team is getting the money to pay for 25 lawsuits? I thought his campaign was broke.

Why do you think so many lawyers are withdrawing? They’re not getting paid.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 8:57:58am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:00:07am

Newsmax shows the standard electoral map — i.e. it awards the election to Biden. I suspect even OANN has finally reached the same conclusion. Or are these networks still trying to persuade state legislatures to ignore their laws and award the slate of electors to Trump?

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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:02:44am

re: #223 stpaulbear

Thank you for this. It’s lovely.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:02:58am

re: #215 ericblair

And my next question after that: what happens to the late mail-in ballots now. I want them tabulated and published. I assume they could be considered evidence in possible criminal cases regarding abuse of the mail system.

THIS THIS THIS!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:03:27am

re: #230 The Pie Overlord!

Why do you think so many lawyers are withdrawing? They’re not getting paid.

Anyone who works for him on anything other than a cash-up-front basis deserves whatever they get.

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:03:43am

re: #230 The Pie Overlord!

Why do you think so many lawyers are withdrawing? They’re not getting paid.

Also, judging by the quality of some of these election suits that have been filed (and tossed, often summarily), they can’t have racked up a lot of billable hours ginning them up in any event.

Didn’t some judge in (?) MI toss a GOPer suit because the lawyers cited “evidence” in their filing, but neglected to actually attach any of the cites where they were supposed to?
(Mainly, I think, because the “evidence” was something like a Rudy Giuliani tweet, but never mind….)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:03:46am

re: #230 The Pie Overlord!

Why do you think so many lawyers are withdrawing? They’re not getting paid.

With Trumps track record what kind of dumbass lawyer would work for him WITHOUT asking for money upfront?

Good grief.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:04:44am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

Newsmax shows the standard electoral map — i.e. it awards the election to Biden. I suspect even OANN has finally reached the same conclusion. Or are these networks still trying to persuade state legislatures to ignore their laws and award the slate of electors to Trump?

Newsmax has not been spreading any of the Dominion Software stories and has generally been playing down the challenge, pointing out that Trump’s attempts have been turned down overwhelmingly by the courts.

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Citizen K  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:05:43am

(On a side note, for fuck’s sake Twitter, stop auto-refreshing and disappearing posts someone is currently looking at and making it impossible to find again)

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:06:27am

re: #225 A Cranky One

Do they make kits of the porn shop and crematorium to go alongside?

How about a panic buying set?
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:09:56am
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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:10:06am

This thread is bound to run out sooner than later.

What will Trump do then? Split for Mar A Lago and not come back?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:10:43am

re: #241 jaunte

ARRRGH THESE FUCKING ASSHOLES.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:11:00am

re: #240 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

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If you didn’t panic buy it when it came out, you probably won’t be able to get one.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:11:44am

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

ARRRGH THESE FUCKING ASSHOLES.

We knew this was coming. Take a deep breath. We can fix this.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:13:07am

re: #242 makeitstop

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This thread is bound to run out sooner than later.

What will Trump do then? Split for Mar A Lago and not come back?

That’s Michael Cohen’s hypothesis - and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s how it goes down.

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:14:52am

re: #236 Jay C

Also, judging by the quality of some of these election suits that have been filed (and tossed, often summarily), they can’t have racked up a lot of billable hours ginning them up in any event.

Didn’t some judge in (?) MI toss a GOPer suit because the lawyers cited “evidence” in their filing, but neglected to actually attach any of the cites where they were supposed to?
(Mainly, I think, because the “evidence” was something like a Rudy Giuliani tweet, but never mind….)

I’m certain that in more than one instance where the law firms either heavily amended or outright withdrew their suits was because they got wind that the judges were seeing the claims as not only having zero legal merit, but by including fabricated (or just outright false) claims, were about shoulder-deep in ethics issues and were ready to refer the attorneys to their jurisdiction’s review board for sanctions.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:17:11am

re: #242 makeitstop

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This thread is bound to run out sooner than later.

What will Trump do then? Split for Mar A Lago and not come back?

Go directly to jail without passing Go?

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cat-tikvah  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:22:26am

re: #228 makeitstop

Guess who gets axed tomorrow?

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stpaulbear  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:23:01am

re: #246 thedopefishlives

We knew this was coming. Take a deep breath. We can fix this.

Are they already in place to start drilling? If they aren’t there already won’t mobilization take longer than 9 weeks? When will they have permission to start altering the land?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:25:47am

re: #251 stpaulbear

Are they already in place to start drilling? If they aren’t there already won’t mobilization take longer than 9 weeks? When will they have permission to start altering the land?

That’s what I was thinking. Yeah, it’s a shitty thing for the administration to do, but this isn’t something where anyone’s going to have time to really execute anything. This damage, at least, can be minimized.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:25:54am

re: #241 jaunte

Trump can say they’re open via EO, but they will get reviewed and reversed by Biden.

More to the point, the global economy and demand is down because of the pandemic, so it’d be years before a single exploratory well is drilled, let alone production from those areas is added to the supply chain.

It’s just desperation and last gasp of a dead ender trying to do as much damage on the way out.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:26:15am

Everyone is so focused on the Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch in Chief that nobody is paying any attention to this other Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:27:22am

re: #252 thedopefishlives

It takes time and resources to get an exploratory drill done, let alone production well and related infrastructure in place. Then there’s the economics of doing these wells during a pandemic when demand is down.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:29:37am

re: #249 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Go directly to jail without passing Go?

Sure hope DeSADIST doesn’t block extradition!

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:30:40am

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

Everyone is so focused on the Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch in Chief that nobody is paying any attention to this other Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch.

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Glenn calling someone else a dweeb, that is pretty bold.

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:32:25am

Attempting to write about a statistic as it is now and its estimated value in the not-so-distant future isn’t a good idea while dyslexic AND uncaffeinated…

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:32:28am

re: #74 Hecuba’s daughter

Reichbook, Fashbook and Flakebook may not be the most accurate descriptions since Parler is the right wing substitute for Twitter and not Facebook. The terms may be more appropriate for MeWe that is the apparent Facebook replacement.

MeWe? The only thing I’ve heard of there is that all the “adult” groups from Tumblr went there when Tumblr decided they wanted to throw them out. Had not heard of anything from the fascists there.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:33:25am

re: #256 🌹UOJB!

Sure hope DeSADIST doesn’t block extradition!

This is an idea that comes up a lot, but has there ever been an example of one state refusing to extradite someone to another state where they will be charged with crimes for no other reason then because the state the person in question currently resides in “doesn’t want to…”?

As ironic as it is, couldn’t Dread Scott be used as a precedent that Florida has to turn Trump over to New York?

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danarchy  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:35:10am

re: #255 lawhawk

It takes time and resources to get an exploratory drill done, let alone production well and related infrastructure in place. Then there’s the economics of doing these wells during a pandemic when demand is down.

This has been in the works since the interior department completed it’s environmental review earlier this summer. The interior secretary at the time predicted lease sales by the end of the year. The question is once the leases have been granted, even if drilling hasn’t started how hard would it be to reverse?

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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:35:57am

From the unorthodog subreddit comes this extraordinary creature…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:36:14am

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

Everyone is so focused on the Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch in Chief that nobody is paying any attention to this other Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch.

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But that whiny little bitch cannot do any real damage. He can pout and stomp his feet but he has no power to do much except spew lies on his twitter account. Unfortunately our whiny bitch can not only spew lies he can also start wars or further undermine our national security or kill more Americans or destroy the environment on his way out.

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:36:40am

This is Baghdad Bob levels of stupidity.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:37:20am

Friends, please reconsider Thanksgiving if you’re thinking of going outside of those your live with. I love you all.

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:39:36am

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 201115 edition ————————->
“Was a Sunny Day, Parts 1 & 2”

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:42:39am

re: #265 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Friends, please reconsider Thanksgiving if you’re thinking of going outside of those your live with. I love you all.

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When it comes to a bunch of my brainwashed relatives that request is ignored because they are that deluded.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:46:32am

In case you were wondering what is today’s Wingnut Outrage du Jour, it is Men In Dresses.

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:47:44am

It’s always darkest before the dawn.
ETA for the dawn: January 20, 2021.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:49:16am

re: #268 The Pie Overlord!

In case you were wondering what is today’s Wingnut Outrage du Jour, it is Men In Dresses.

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And you have to read it at 78RPM to get the full squeaky whininess of it.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:49:17am

BTW, President Elect Biden’s vote lead is now at 5,590,063 (3.6%). I hope it ends up north of 6 million just to further humiliate Donnie.

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:49:31am

re: #260 jamesfirecat

This is an idea that comes up a lot, but has there ever been an example of one state refusing to extradite someone to another state where they will be charged with crimes for no other reason then because the state the person in question currently resides in “doesn’t want to…”?

As ironic as it is, couldn’t Dread Scott be used as a precedent that Florida has to turn Trump over to New York?

as usual, my fave electoral-vote.com has come through - this time on 11/14/20

Assuming that he has been charged with a crime, and that the paperwork is in order, then Florida has very little choice in the matter. And if they resisted, New York could go to a federal judge, who would then order U.S. Marshals to arrest Trump.

There is one possible loophole, but it’s a longshot. If the person is serving a prison or jail sentence, a governor can deny extradition until the sentence is completed. So, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) might plausibly charge Trump with felony aggravated jaywalking or failure to pay parking tickets with malicious intent, and then arrange for him to be sentenced to 20 years of supervised release. That would require multiple corrupt confederates in the Florida justice system, and the federal judge that New York would immediately complain to would surely see right through the scheme. But, Trump and DeSantis could try it, if they were really desperate.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:51:30am

re: #268 The Pie Overlord!

Because a man displaying the confidence to wear a dress since he knows it does not reflect on his masculinity in any way is a real beta cuck!

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Mike Lamb  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:53:10am

re: #264 (((Archangel1)))

This is Baghdad Bob levels of stupidity.

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I mean, both vaccines show promise, but let’s see some non-internally generated test results that match the 90%+ efficacy claims. Aside from that, the “Warp Speed” aspect also incorporates distribution, and no one believes that the Trump admin is capable.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:53:19am

re: #265 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s a good year to have a dysfunctional family I guess. We rarely if ever do a thing on the holidays anyway. My family could give a shit about us(my parents spend holidays with my cousin and her husband, for at least the last 15 yrs, ignoring their grandson, and husband’s fam is in FL and MD and we’re usually bypassed by them anyway (this may change since my BIL in MD died in Jan of lung disease that he pretty much refused to manage). So we’ve grown used to doing the holidays alone. Sometimes a friend of the kid’s or someone we know with nowhere to go gets invited, but obviously not this year. So who knew a pandemic could work on the side of dysfunctional families? Woot.

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:54:18am

re: #268 The Pie Overlord!

Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
This is perfectly obvious. Anyone who pretends that it is not a referendum on masculinity for men to don floofy dresses is treating you as a full-on idiot.

So I’m curious as where Ben has been hanging out lately…..

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:55:31am

re: #254 The Pie Overlord!

Everyone is so focused on the Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch in Chief that nobody is paying any attention to this other Whiny Little Crybaby Bitch.

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President whiny is the little boy that can turn you into a jack-in-the-box. This other whiner isn’t worth paying attention to.

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garzooma  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:56:11am

re: #273 Mike Lamb

Because a man displaying the confidence to wear a dress because he knows it does not reflect on his masculinity in any way is a real beta cuck!

“A man walks down the street in a dress, people know he’s not afraid of anything.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tne50bE-ips

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:57:38am

re: #273 Mike Lamb

Because a man displaying the confidence to wear a dress because he knows it does not reflect on his masculinity in any way is a real beta cuck!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:57:42am

re: #268 The Pie Overlord!

In case you were wondering what is today’s Wingnut Outrage du Jour, it is Men In Dresses.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:58:03am

re: #276 Jay C

So I’m curious as where Ben has been hanging out lately…..

Benny’s obsession with the LGBT community, especially the transgender community, is quite telling and Freudian. Can’t wait for his wife to share his browser history with the world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:58:38am

re: #252 thedopefishlives

That’s what I was thinking. Yeah, it’s a shitty thing for the administration to do, but this isn’t something where anyone’s going to have time to really execute anything. This damage, at least, can be minimized.

Political damage. Make Biden the one who has to actively shut the operations down. Like Walter White buying his son an expensive car they cannot afford and making his mother be the b*tch who has to take it away from him…

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:58:45am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:59:39am

re: #281 Dr. Matt

Benny’s obsession with the LGBT community, especially the transgender community, is quite telling and Freudian. Can’t wait for his wife to share his browser history with the world.

Sorry but you have to be a pretty horrible person to be married to a pretty horrible person.

I’m not going to hold my breath.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:59:48am

re: #278 garzooma

“A man walks down the street in a dress, people know he’s not afraid of anything.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tne50bE-ips

Dipshits like Ben are lucky that the gov’t has made serious efforts to curtail smoking, because he’d probably have stage 4 lung cancer from all the “manly” smoking.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2020 • 9:59:53am

re: #265 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Friends, please reconsider Thanksgiving if you’re thinking of going outside of those your live with. I love you all.

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A brief scroll through of my FB the past couple of days shows the following:

- 4 people currently on vacation (2 @ Disney Parks, one on an island off the coast of Georgia and another in the Florida Keys)
- 10 people sharing (maskless) photos from an indoor Christmas event held at the local convention center this past weekend
- Approximately 10 different people sharing photos of groups of 8 or more people at “Friendsgiving” get-togethers. Some outdoor, some indoor.
- Several photos and videos of maskless, indoor church services.
- More photos than I can count of people happily eating out at restaurants

And it goes on. I swear most people have just stopped giving a shit. The after TG spikes are going to be brutal…and then we’ve got Christmas and New Years right behind it.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:00:18am

re: #273 Mike Lamb

Because a man displaying the confidence to wear a dress because he knows it does not reflect on his masculinity in any way is a real beta cuck!

Men in Kilts

These right wing lunatics think guys in dresses isn’t masculine? Or guys in skirts?

Another word for skirt? Kilt.

We don’t think guys in kilts are masculine? Come the fuck on.

All these right wing lunatics have is grievance theater. That’s it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:01:08am

re: #268 The Pie Overlord!

In case you were wondering what is today’s Wingnut Outrage du Jour, it is Men In Dresses.

Our nation was founded by men in powdered wigs, frilly cuffs and collars, high heels and knee stockings…

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garzooma  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:01:09am

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

This is very bad. 48% of the population — a very armed 48% — are buying into this lie thanks to their absolute worship of Agolf and their loyalty to media that promote this narrative.

Also, a 48% of the population that doesn’t bat an eye at over a quarter of a million fellow Americans dying.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:01:45am

re: #265 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Friends, please reconsider Thanksgiving if you’re thinking of going outside of those your live with. I love you all.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:02:08am

re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg

A brief scroll through of my FB the past couple of days shows the following:

- 4 people currently on vacation (2 @ Disney Parks, one on an island off the coast of Georgia and another in the Florida Keys)
- 10 people sharing (maskless) photos from an indoor Christmas event held at the local convention center this past weekend
- Approximately 10 different people sharing photos of groups of 8 or more people at “Friendsgiving” get-togethers. Some outdoor, some indoor.
- Several photos and videos of maskless, indoor church services.
- More photos than I can count of people happily eating out at restaurants

And it goes on. I swear most people have just stopped giving a shit. The after TG spikes are going to be brutal…and then we’ve got Christmas and New Years right behind it.

If you ran a small pottery, you could make a killing with MAGA urns carrying a Christmas theme.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:02:47am

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:03:40am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:06:34am

re: #284 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Sorry but you have to be a pretty horrible person to be married to a pretty horrible person.

I’m not going to hold my breath.

Rage Furby’s wife finally woke up and dumped his ass. There’s hope….maybe….

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:07:00am

I’m having the Thanksgiving discussion with the Mrs.

Do we invite my inlaws or do we go all remote? It’d just be four of us, because our brothers’ families have greater exposures with kids in school, etc. We have comparable exposures to my inlaws, and we would have space to separate and eat all while masking up at all other times.

We might go ahead and do it as of now, but if the case rates increase further, we might go remote because it becomes too great a risk.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:12:03am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:14:26am

Never heard this term.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:16:07am

re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Never heard this term.

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Me neither, but it fits the definition of the right-wing trolls to a T.

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:16:58am

re: #296 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Sanction. Him.

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“Ordinary voters”???
Yeah, riiiiiiight……. //

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:16:58am

re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Never heard this term.

Cannot imagine what it is like to be so devoid of a life that you devote your energy to being a drain on other people’s time and energy

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:18:02am
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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:18:51am

re: #296 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Sanction. Him.

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In honor of lawyer Bopp

Plant a seed, plant a flower, plant a rose
You can plant any one of those
Keep planting to find out which one grows
It’s a secret no one knows
It’s a secret no one knows
Oh, no one knows

Mmmbop, ba duba dop
Ba du bop, ba duba dop
Ba du bop, ba duba dop
Ba du, yeah-e-yeah

Hanson - MMMBop (Official Video)

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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:19:18am

re: #293 The Pie Overlord!

I think that’s exactly what happened.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:19:23am

Do real men wear make-up?

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:19:29am

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

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Just one Danger’s opinion:
We ARE and have been at ‘unacceptable risk’ for a while.
A ‘holiday’ doesn’t change the actual risk, only people’s emotional calculus and willingness to rationalize the risk into something they think is worth it.
You know what: The virus doesn’t care and doesn’t fight fair.

I periodically bring out this PSA

the virus is spreading
it will continue to for a very long time.
it’s not stopped, it is not controlled.

Nothing has changed:
Actually one thing has changed: The more people with it, the more people walking around with it, the greater the chance you may get it.
And
Anyone can get it
Anyone can survive it
Anyone can die from it
Anyone who survives can experience nasty medical side effects that create a permanent pre-existing condition

doesn’t matter where you live, who your parents are, how much money you got, where you went or go to school, what your job is, your politics, gender, race, color, age, vegan or gluten status, how ‘in shape you are’, what your favorite tv show is, what the #1 movie was the year you turned 18…

People are going to continue to die from this.
People are going to continue to needlessly die from this.

Don’t be one of them
Do not personally sacrifice to this carnage.
Do not accept or promote this carnage as some kind of perverse new normal.

Let the idiots do what they want.

Your number one objective is to keep you and your people alive.
Be prudent and protect yourselves!

Work outside your home if you have to.
Do it smart, even if your boss / employer won’t.
And if you can’t, consider whether your job is worth your life (it isn’t).

Follow the safety measures you know work: wear a mask, wash your hands - sanitizer when you cant / until you can, avoid people, keep your distance when you can’t, limit interactions with the public, etc., etc.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:19:34am

re: #295 lawhawk

I’m having the Thanksgiving discussion with the Mrs.

Do we invite my inlaws or do we go all remote? It’d just be four of us, because our brothers’ families have greater exposures with kids in school, etc. We have comparable exposures to my inlaws, and we would have space to separate and eat all while masking up at all other times.

We might go ahead and do it as of now, but if the case rates increase further, we might go remote because it becomes too great a risk.

Ask them to place themselves on rigid shutdown for 10 days. That’s good protection, and if they have a problem that gives you an idea of their priorities.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:19:34am

re: #302 BeachDem

Hale Bopp… he decided not to jump on that suicide mission.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:19:45am

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:21:10am

re: #306 Decatur Deb

Ask them to place themselves on rigid shutdown for 10 days. That’s good protection, and if they have a problem that gives you an idea of their priorities.

Definitely a conversation worth having…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:21:25am

re: #308 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

He’ll have a lot of evidence backing him up if he claims incompetence.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:21:39am

re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Never heard this term.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:23:09am

re: #295 lawhawk

I’m having the Thanksgiving discussion with the Mrs.

Do we invite my inlaws or do we go all remote? It’d just be four of us, because our brothers’ families have greater exposures with kids in school, etc. We have comparable exposures to my inlaws, and we would have space to separate and eat all while masking up at all other times.

We might go ahead and do it as of now, but if the case rates increase further, we might go remote because it becomes too great a risk.

Easy call not to congregate with the in laws with cases spiking here in Kentucky, especially with the niece having been on campus at college.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:23:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:26:15am

Trump could within bounds of reason and decorum simply remind us all that the outcome of the election is not final until the EC has convened and there are legal challenges being pursued that could possibly alter the outcome that has been predicted by the media, etc…

But instead he is stamping his feet and whining.

Which makes it difficult for a number of the GOP to support him without feeling like spoiled brats as well…

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:26:36am

Ya think?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:26:41am

re: #313 Charles Johnson

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If that’s real, a couple rivers have been crossed.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:27:51am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

If that’s real, a couple rivers have been crossed.

That’s definitely shopped.

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Jay C  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:28:43am

re: #315 The Pie Overlord!

Madison Cawthorn has tried to convert #Jews through his side work as a preacher. It’s been tougher when it comes to religious Jews: “I’ve had a hard time connecting with them in that way,” he said.

Maybe the swastikas and other Nazi paraphernalia distracts them….?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:28:51am

re: #317 thedopefishlives

That’s definitely shopped.

Web inspector. 😉

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thedopefishlives  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:29:07am

re: #319 Charles Johnson

Web inspector. 😉

Cheater.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:29:11am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

re: #317 thedopefishlives

Fake but accurate.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:29:54am

re: #313 Charles Johnson

LOL perfect.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:30:51am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump could within bounds of reason and decorum simply state that the outcome of the election is not final until the EC has convened open and there are legal challenges being pursued that could possibly alter the outcome as expected by the media, etc…

But instead he is stamping his feet and whining.

Which makes it difficult for a number of the GOP to support him without feeling like spoiled brats as well…

The point is to create the myth of the stolen election; Trump will never acknowledge any other possibility.

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:31:07am

re: #260 jamesfirecat

This is an idea that comes up a lot, but has there ever been an example of one state refusing to extradite someone to another state where they will be charged with crimes for no other reason then because the state the person in question currently resides in “doesn’t want to…”?

As ironic as it is, couldn’t Dread Scott be used as a precedent that Florida has to turn Trump over to New York?

There was a case in Utah in the 1980s:

Gov. Scott M. Matheson has refused to extradite a Utah businessman accused of first-degree murder and reckless conduct in connection with a fatal industrial accident in a factory he partly owned.

Matheson refused to send Michael T. MacKay to Illinois to stand trial for the Feb. 10, 1983, death of Stefan Golab, an employe of Film Recovery Systems Inc., who died of “acute cyanide toxicity,” according to a coroner. The now-defunct company used a cyanide process to recover silver from photographic film.

(from 1984) washingtonpost.com

The trial went on without MacKay, but the decision was later overturned in 1990 on appeal. Apparently Illinois tried three times to get this guy extradited:

A fifth defendant, Utah businessman and former Film Recovery vice president Michael MacKay, has been the subject of three unsuccessful extradition requests by Illinois Gov. James R. Thompson. Utah officials said they questioned whether he could receive a fair trial.

apnews.com

So yeah, it’s a thing that very occasionally happens.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:31:33am

Eddie Valen’s son confirmed there were plans for a reunion tour that would include all three singers and Mike Anthony back on bass:

Wolfgang Reveals There Was a Van Halen Reunion in the Works Before Eddie Died

Might have been epic. Might have been a shitshow.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:32:14am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump could within bounds of reason and decorum simply state that the outcome of the election is not final until the EC has convened open and there are legal challenges being pursued that could possibly alter the outcome as expected by the media, etc…

But instead he is stamping his feet and whining.

Which makes it difficult for a number of the GOP to support him without feeling like spoiled brats as well…

And the thing is, if Trump actually said that bolded part, sure - strictly speaking, he’s not wrong. But Trump whines. He whines ceaselessly. He’s a whiny sack of crap in a cheap suit with pancake makeup and a bad combover and he just needs to shut his fucking mouth and go away.

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cat-tikvah  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:32:32am

re: #279 makeitstop

From the comments there:
Tweets from Trump’s Second Term@2ndTermTweets
Replying to @AdamParkhomenko
People who spent the last 4 years praising a man who spends 2+ hours doing his hair and makeup have big opinions on what’s manly

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:32:57am

re: #305 dangerman

Just one Danger’s opinion:
We ARE and have been at ‘unacceptable risk’ for a while.
A ‘holiday’ doesn’t change the actual risk, only people’s emotional calculus and willingness to rationalize the risk into something they think is worth it.
You know what: The virus doesn’t care and doesn’t fight fair.
……
…..

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:33:10am

re: #324 mmmirele

There was a case in Utah in the 1980s:

(from 1984) washingtonpost.com

The trial went on without MacKay, but the decision was later overturned in 1990 on appeal. Apparently Illinois tried three times to get this guy extradited:

apnews.com

So yeah, it’s a thing that very occasionally happens.

It would hamper Trump’s 2024 campaign if he could never leave Florida for fear of arrest.

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dangerman  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:33:18am

i’m not an unfeeling curmudgeon, really.
and i understand that mrsdm misses her family and will not be seeing them for a while.
but she’s an 11 risk on a scale of 1-10 so it’s easy for us to make decisions.

i dont get this thanksgiving thing
i mean i get the naysayers, the anti’s. there’s no reaching them.
doing everything ‘normally’ is denying the pandemic exists. I avoid those people.

but for the rest of us trying rationalize it and how we plan and decide what we have to do to make this come off, pre and post quarantine, travel, masks, gloves, tables in different rooms.

unless you’re with people already in the same pod with you, i just don’t see it.

What is thanksgiving?
- some time together
- some shared cooking
- eating and conversing
- watching sports on TV

it’s not even an religious holiday / event - as if the virus cares. but that would make the emotional justification a tad easier to at least understand.

It’s not a question of ‘how important is this?’

the question is why risk your lives and their lives *for* this?

Phones and Zoom (or whichever) and you’re having time together.

Even during the cooking time but sorry everyone gotta cook their own meals - smaller birds, fewer desserts, whatever.

Eating and conversing - we’ve been setting up the laptop on the dining table and zooming dinners with far away familly and friends. It is very much like being there.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:36:21am

Trump will lose his Twitter ‘public interest’ protections in January

How long will take before Twitter drops the perma-ban on Donnie after Biden’s inauguration?

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:37:14am

re: #329 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It would hamper Trump’s 2024 campaign if he could never leave Florida for fear of arrest.

That’s why I remembered the case. Because there was a warrant out for this guy’s arrest, a decade later, his foot was STILL nailed to the floor and he couldn’t leave Utah. Other states would have gladly arrested and extradited him.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:39:20am

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

And the thing is, if Trump actually said that bolded part, sure - strictly speaking, he’s not wrong. But Trump whines. He whines ceaselessly. He’s a whiny sack of crap in a cheap suit with pancake makeup and a bad combover and he just needs to shut his fucking mouth and go away.

That would also imply that Trump broke with usual practice and actually got briefed (or researched himself!) on how the process worked.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:41:04am

re: #329 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It would hamper Trump’s 2024 campaign if he could never leave Florida for fear of arrest.

I’m sure the media would portray it as the liberal parts of America and “Democrat states” being afraid of him.

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:42:34am

re: #315 The Pie Overlord!

Ya think?

[Embedded content]

I like that they call it his “side work” since the little fucker never had any
“main work” until the fools in his district elected him.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:47:26am

re: #315 The Pie Overlord!

Ya think?

[Embedded content]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2020 • 10:54:39am

re: #257 b.d. (We Won!)

Glenn calling someone else a dweeb, that is pretty bold.

or hall monitor…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2020 • 11:06:02am

re: #301 NO SMOCKING GUN!

How is Trump not a snowflake?

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 16, 2020 • 12:56:31pm

re: #268 The Pie Overlord!

Where, exactly, is our children learning Marxism?
It’s been over ten years now since I left teaching, so maybe a lot has changed, but from pre-K to eighth grade, I saw no Marxism-teaching. Or maybe Candace is making shit up.


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