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darthstar  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:40:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:41:32pm

re: #1 darthstar

No lies detected.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:41:45pm

re: #1 darthstar

That is perfect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:43:33pm

JFC

HORRY COUNTY, S.C. (WPDE) — When South Carolina high school student Flor Silva decided to walk across the stage at her graduation ceremony with a Mexican flag in hand, she said she still wasn’t sure if it was allowed or not.

For her, it was a message of gratitude to her parents, but it led to her being escorted out of the ceremony before graduates turned their tassels and a delay in getting her diploma.

A video of the moment that has since gone viral on Tik Tok, shows the announcer calls Silva’s name, and Silva walking up while unfolding the flag. The principal tries to grab it, Silva pulls away, and the principal guides her off stage.

video and more at the link

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:49:25pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

This reminds me of when I graduated LaSalle University. Since my dad was there I gave him what he and I knew as “V” (“V” for victory) because I graduated. Some other person who saw it was saying it was for peace. Fortunately my dad shut them up with the correct meaning of what I did.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:57:13pm

Memories of how shitty high school graduation was when the asshole principal handed me my diploma and said “good riddance you failure”…I should have yelled FUCK YOU to his face…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 4:58:48pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:01:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:08:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:11:43pm

re: #8 Dread Pirate Ron

She committed suicide because of the pain Covid was causing her.

Damn it, people. GET VACCINATED!

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William Lewis  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:13:16pm

re: #6 JOE 🥓

A better line would have been “Well, I’m sure you know about experiencing failure.”

:)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:13:35pm
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bratwurst  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:13:50pm

Can someone explain to my why it is important what Macy Gray thinks of the flag?

Also:

My mom had a glioblastoma removed from her brain on the first. As of this past Friday the MRI is still clear. The tumor carries a genetic marker associated with good response to chemotherapy, so this is positive news. She is feeling better with the sutures remove and has now gone out to dinner two nights in a row. Treatment begins week after next and I am going to fly back to drive her there for a few weeks. She is in slightly better overall health than the average 78 year old, but this is going to be rough. I am certainly convinced the risk/reward ratio of treatment is very much in her favor, as easy as that is for me to say of course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:14:55pm

crawdad ain’t taking no shit

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:16:23pm

re: #13 bratwurst

Can someone explain to my why it is important what Macy Gray thinks of the flag?

Also:

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All the best to your mom, and the rest of the family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:17:04pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:21:02pm

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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:22:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:23:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:23:56pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:24:40pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:26:21pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:26:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:29:21pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

ah, I see the confusion
newyork.cbslocal.com

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — With four days left on the mayoral primary countdown clock, Eric Adams still leads the pack according to a new poll.

The front runner is picking up some unsolicited, and apparently unwanted support, from a controversial former mayor.

snip

Adams and Rudy Giuliani were never friends. In the 1990s, Adams frequently blasted Giuliani over his handling of police brutality.

So it was a bit of a head scratcher when Kramer asked the Republican former mayor, who has endorsed Curtis Sliwa, which Democrat would do the best job.

“New York being a heavily Democratic town, who do you think is the best candidate in the Democratic field?” Kramer asked.

“I have to say, with tremendous reluctance because there are so many negatives there, that at least Adams talks about reducing crime,” Giuliani said. “I’m going to vote for Curtis. I’m a Republican, and if I had to, there’s no question that Adams gives us some hope that he can be practical once elected.”

Adams made it abundantly clear what he thinks of Giuliani’s support.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:30:02pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Adams is the good guy

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:30:32pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gwangung  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:30:59pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

What IS it with people in trucks trying to run over people?????

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:32:18pm

re: #27 gwangung

What IS it with people in trucks trying to run over people?????

I have trucks and have never felt the urge to run over anyone or anything.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:32:50pm

re: #27 gwangung

What IS it with people in trucks trying to run over people?????

Was it “rolling coal” as well?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:36:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:36:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:37:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:37:41pm

How to keep your house clean

1. Do not own a cat.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:41:19pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

How to keep your house clean

1. Do not own a cat.

I’m screwed. Got 4 now lol

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calochortus  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:41:48pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have trucks and have never felt the urge to run over anyone or anything.

I can’t tell you how relieved I am to hear that!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:42:47pm

re: #34 Rightwingconspirator

Oh my you have four cats? Oh gee.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:43:08pm

This is interesting.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:43:58pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

Oh my you have four cats? Oh gee.

Yeah, 2 came with the house. Peaceful integration has been the job. So far so good.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:44:07pm

re: #37 No Malarkey!

Very interesting. Let us hope that something comes of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:46:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:48:15pm

re: #34 Rightwingconspirator

I’m screwed. Got 4 now lol

My post was meant jokingly. I have 2.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:52:40pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:54:44pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

My post was meant jokingly. I have 2.

Truth in humor though…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 5:58:07pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:05:06pm
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SerialUpDinger  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:07:48pm

Mariposa Lilies

Getting to the end of a list of 25 images for a visitors center in the Santa Monica Mountains.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:09:30pm

Southern Baptist leader calls out QAnon: ‘Armed insurrection does not fit with God’s word’

Oh Bullshit you sleazy Pulpit Pimp. You and your fellow Southern Fried Baptists have been preaching the QAnon shit in your churches ever since 2015 when you folks showed those fake frazzledrip videos libeling Hillary Clinton.

Pastor Ed Litton

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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:13:53pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

This country needs to get its shit together. I know that hatred of The Other in all its forms has always, always been here. But it seems like things are more, open, blatant and spiteful right now. I wish I knew a way to counter this community of destruction, like they’re on a mission to do the exact opposite of what it takes to have strong and healthy communities. Like they literally can’t stand for people to have happy, healthy, financially secure and well educated communities. How the hell do you counter that level of anger,spite and hate effectively? I think about that a lot, and it’s overwhelming sometimes.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:14:04pm

re: #47 JOE 🥓

So much wrong with Litton. As I posted the Vox article earlier, given the NYT labeled him as “moderate” is absurd.

It’s just that Litton isn’t the looniest right-winger in the cadre of the SBC movers and shakers, so that some think he is “moderate”.

But Litton is in all ways as fundamentalist as, say, Albert Mohler.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:16:09pm
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gwangung  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:16:14pm

re: #48 A Mom Anon

This country needs to get its shit together. I know that hatred of The Other in all its forms has always, always been here. But it seems like things are more, open, blatant and spiteful right now. I wish I knew a way to counter this community of destruction, like they’re on a mission to do the exact opposite of what it takes to have strong and healthy communities. Like they literally can’t stand for people to have happy, healthy, financially secure and well educated communities. How the hell do you counter that level of anger,spite and hate effectively? I think about that a lot, and it’s overwhelming sometimes.

These spiteful assholes are going to push too far and there’s going to be a reckoning. And they are NOT going to like it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:21:28pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of hippos

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:22:13pm

Eric Adams - don’t know the guy and I’m not in NYC, but if this is his view of education:

… then I’d be a bit worried if I were in NYC.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:25:58pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:28:34pm
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danarchy  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:31:24pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Is there a different way to store leftover pizza?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:33:16pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:33:47pm

re: #51 gwangung

I hate thinking like that, but they want a war.

A long ass time ago I had to learn the hard way that most of the time, force has to be applied to domestic abusers or bullies to get them to stop and/or retreat. But, you only use the force they are using towards you plus enough to subdue them. In my case the assistance of a hammer on a finger with a threat of worse put a stop to some shit so I could get free and come back with reinforcements. These people aren’t brave, they’re hateful. These supposed patriots are driven by hate and the only way to stop it is to stop it. I don’t advocate this, I hate it, but being nice and taking the high road does zero to stop this shit. They want a war, and we cannot be surprised at the lengths they will goto get there. I don’t want any of this, but I do get afraid sometimes that it’s inevitable. It’s heartbreaking 💔

I’ve said it before, I really struggle with the things they are so angry and hateful over don’t actually exist. Critical Race Theory is just the latest bullshit thing. Think of all the made up shit about African slaves and Black Americans, the reasons to be scared, the made up stereotypes that get passed down as a really fucked up legacy, that way too many humans are still proud of.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:35:11pm

re: #49 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So much wrong with Litton. As I posted the Vox article earlier, given the NYT labeled him as “moderate” is absurd.

It’s just that Litton isn’t the looniest right-winger in the cadre of the SBC movers and shakers, so that some think he is “moderate”.

But Litton is in all ways as fundamentalist as, say, Albert Mohler.

Of course he is, the SBC is a fundamentalist sect. But apparently he isn’t openly racist like Stone.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:35:40pm

re: #55 DodgerFan1988

How soon will the killer be sprung thanks to DeSADIST’s “It’s OK To Run Down Protesters In The Name Of Jesus” law?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:35:50pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:37:58pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:38:43pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:39:07pm
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bratwurst  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:39:24pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:40:26pm
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Mattand  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:42:36pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody told me that Rachel Maddow and Alex Jones are the same person, flipped.

Rachel Maddow tells her audience conspiracy theories, but makes them sound like the truth.

Alex Jones tells the truth, but makes it sound like a conspiracy theory.

This really isn’t too far off from how most of my family and a lot of my friends view politics.

That’s one of the huge pitfalls of Both-Siderism: the above ‘observation’ starts with the idea that the liberal must be doing something that is the perfect flip side of what the conservative is doing, because they can’t/won’t believe the modern conservative movement is that fucking crazy.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:44:30pm

Speaking of that operative from the Manhattan Institute:

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Mattand  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:45:10pm

So did you ever drive by an active car fire, and the heat was so intense, you can feel it three lanes over as you drive by at 67 MPH?

I did, about 90 minutes ago. That was nuts. Extra surprise is the battery or something popping and shooting white sparks everywhere. Really hope no one was hurt. The entire vehicle was a wall of flame.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:48:10pm

No taxes, property or income. No vaccination, no medical treatments will be illegal, except abortion. Reclaiming federal land in Idaho. Financial privacy. I guess that means only the corporations’ can have access to your banking/credit history.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:51:06pm

Hmmm…
Assassination attempt?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:51:30pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Given the targeting of specific people, the lack of any attempt to stop, and the attempt to flee, the t-shirt is probably part of his deceptive effort to get inside the parade. This could also have been an attempt to assassinate Debbie Wasserman Schultz, since the pickup missed her car by inches.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:51:54pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:55:47pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 19, 2021 • 6:56:37pm

Hell yeah!

Ice Cream Breakfast

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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:07:49pm

re: #74 Dave In Austin

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:12:45pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Right after this comment, my town was hit with a barrage of lightning, including my backyard. An asparagus I let go to seed took the hit instead of my elm tree.

That barrage knocked the whole town off the electric grid. The public power district just restored power.

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retired cynic  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:14:15pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Grilled asparagus.

(Glad no one was hurt!)

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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:20:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:22:53pm

re: #78 retired cynic

Grilled asparagus.

(Glad no one was hurt!)

Ashed asparagus.

I’m somewhat amazed the whole town wasn’t destroyed. I’ve never seen anything like that before.

There was only one fire, on the south edge of town, but the fire brigade quickly put that out.

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EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:26:09pm

re: #79 No Malarkey!

The criticism I have of the mainstream media is its near-absolute unwillingness to cover the truth about Republicans.

E.g., why do Republican liars get invited to Sunday talk shows every week to spew more of their lies in formats with little or no pushback vs. lies?

Why is the media’s entire support of drooling credulity reserved for Republican talking points, while Democratic proposals are met only with skepticism?

Why is there no sustained coverage of the simple fact that the GOP is a fascist death cult with absolutely nothing to offer to anyone that isn’t filthy rich?

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:30:29pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We had a cat that would hide behind a rolled up newspaper, and right before he’d “pounce” he would wiggle his tail.

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:35:11pm

re: #62 No Malarkey!

Southerners couldn’t shoot straight.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:36:19pm
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No Malarkey!  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:37:19pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

The criticism I have of the mainstream media is its near-absolute unwillingness to cover the truth about Republicans.

E.g., why do Republican liars get invited to Sunday talk shows every week to spew more of their lies in formats with little or no pushback vs. lies?

Why is the media’s entire support of drooling credulity reserved for Republican talking points, while Democratic proposals are met only with skepticism?

Why is there no sustained coverage of the simple fact that the GOP is a fascist death cult with absolutely nothing to offer to anyone that isn’t filthy rich?

“That’s just your opinion.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:39:27pm
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A Cranky One  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:50:43pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Right after this comment, my town was hit with a barrage of lightning, including my backyard. An asparagus I let go to seed took the hit instead of my elm tree.

That barrage knocked the whole town off the electric grid. The public power district just restored power.

Did the lightning smell funny after?

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2021 • 7:59:33pm

re: #79 No Malarkey!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:10:30pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:11:40pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

The criticism I have of the mainstream media is its near-absolute unwillingness to cover the truth about Republicans.

E.g., why do Republican liars get invited to Sunday talk shows every week to spew more of their lies in formats with little or no pushback vs. lies?

Why is the media’s entire support of drooling credulity reserved for Republican talking points, while Democratic proposals are met only with skepticism?

Why is there no sustained coverage of the simple fact that the GOP is a fascist death cult with absolutely nothing to offer to anyone that isn’t filthy rich?

Because centrism doesn’t mean anything but it’s a way that people can emptily perform loftiness and deep insight?

Like the idea that there’s a dialectical synthesis possible between the sides is false, simply on the basis that the sides are not consistent across time: the entire country has moved right such that stuff Eisenhower considered normal politics is now dangerous socialist thinking. Dig in even slightly and observe that one side constantly operates in bad faith, and the concept isn’t just vapor, it’s actively misinterpreting the world. Saying you’re being smart by taking neither side is at best wishful thinking—that there’s a status quo, and it will hold, tautologically, because it is the status quo—but it more often than not it’s an active form of pseudo-intellectualism: to maintain the position, you cannot look at materially what happens.

There’s no one reason this turns up, but there are a few comorbid ones:

- one, it’s present in media because it launders both that the news readers are uninformed, and creates an explanation for omissions and evasions that cynically maintain your viewing audience share. It also dovetails with the ascent of optics—that perception is so important that material conditions just don’t matter—in that one can expose endless on the aesthetic of ideas…how they are presented, how “reasonable” they seem as rhetoric…without actually talking about how they work.

- two, it’s present in general because change is terrifying, and centrism articulates that nothing drastic has to change. It is the status quo, unexamined but radicalized. Since leftism—or in the American context, center-right-to-center-left liberalism—includes statements that things are not okay and new things must arise, it’s more threatening than authoritarianism and fascism, which promises and simple and expedient return to nostalgic things. This is why “centrism” always breaks right: reactionaries promise that their measures will either keep things the same, or will make things more like they were. Liberals and leftists say that things have to change, and that rustles jimmies more, resulting in the loop in which “centrists” smooth obvious gestures at fascism…because fascism is an aestheticized nostalgia thrown over nihilistic drive for power…but shit themselves at the mildest bits of social democratic criticism of power: implicit in the latter is disruption of what is comfortable.

- three, it’s politics for cowards and poseurs. Conservatives call themselves centrists to create effective distance from their insane fellow travelers but not do anything; liberals call themselves centrists because our society has accepted the culture image of the liberal as both bad and un-pleasing aesthetically; eta: also notable is in the USA that open liberalism means being open to insane rhetorical attack because the other side has normalized that you deserve attack, and leftism is cause for you to be physically attacked both by private and state agents. People who don’t want to deal with the idea that the status quo still hurts people to keep things going arrive at centrism because the alteration is to concede that things are already awry. Centrism is the philosophy of non-examination, of keeping Omelas up and running and the volcanoes stocked with virgins.

(and please note that if you’ve maintained your position in the “center” as the reactionaries has slid deeper into their thing, you’re not a centrist. You’re a mild US conservative or a mild US liberal, but centrism is defined by that sense of a false synthesis…there’s a central tendency that mathematically-impossibly remains the same even though one side of the oscillation has bigger peaks)

What’s currently happening with CRT is a great example of this loop: reactionaries make the thing scary and suggestive that the status quo is bad and people will uncritically move to preserve their comfort while excising yet another part of the societal structures that keep them safe and free in the long term. It’s like a frog that contributes to its own boiling because the alternative is the uncertainty of what’s beyond the pan of water.

It’s also exactly how the fascists took over all those European countries: the promise of a return to something simple and benevolent once the dangerous alien thing has been extracted from society. Communists and anarchists are scary because they propose that the world is hurting people, and those people are entitled to respond; fascism proposes that problems only arise from outside forces, that the big systems cannot fail, only be failed…and people like the latter because it demands nothing of them.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:12:57pm

This fool’s timeline is a Dumpster fire.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:15:39pm

re: #90 The Ghost of a Flea

applause dot gif

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:16:28pm

re: #90 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #81 EPR-radar

Commercial television exists to sell advertisement.

Whether we like it or not, a large swath of the US is filled with the religious-right and the fascist-adjacent.

And these are more often than not old people.

And it’s the old people who tune into the kind of shows about which you are agonizing.

Future voters are found on Tik-Tok.

Sunday morning news shows are for voters who have maybe only a few more Presidential elections ahead of them until they die or end up in a nursing home.

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retired cynic  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:24:13pm

We need something pretty…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:24:45pm

re: #93 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Commercial television exists to sell advertisement.

Whether we like it or not, a large swath of the US is filled with the religious-right and the fascist-adjacent.

And these are more often than not old people.

And it’s the old people who tune into the kind of shows about which you are agonizing.

Future voters are found on Tik-Tok.

Sunday morning news shows are for voters who have maybe only a few more Presidential elections ahead of them until they die or end up in a nursing home.

Unfortunately, no.

This pattern can and will replicate to new media formats.

Debate bros like Destiny, “skeptics,” and New Atheists are examples of groups that in the Internet Content Age replicate the voluble emptiness of TV…constantly mad at people that insist things can change, and thus doing the loop—excuse the reactionary positions because the alternative is to acknowledge that what is doesn’t work.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:24:59pm

re: #93 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Commercial television exists to sell advertisement.

Whether we like it or not, a large swath of the US is filled with the religious-right and the fascist-adjacent.

And these are more often than not old people.

And it’s the old people who tune into the kind of shows about which you are agonizing.

Future voters are found on Tik-Tok.

Sunday morning news shows are for voters who have maybe only a few more Presidential elections ahead of them until they die or end up in a nursing home.

Yup, you want commercial-free opinion pieces, you view atheist channels on YouTube.

Virtually no company wants to advertise on an atheist video, and atheists themselves frequently opine about more things than counter-apologetics (such as Christian nationalism, the intersection of the Republican Party and theocrats, &c).

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:32:13pm

When was the last time any labor union sponsored a network TV show?

The ILGWU did sponsor several years of Carol Burnett’s shows in the 70s.

Outside of that—nope

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:33:02pm

Breaking extremely local news: The battery in my laptop is one minute away from full charge, after the six hour+ power failure.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:35:59pm

re: #95 The Ghost of a Flea

Yes, I concur there is a whole dude-bro glibertarian group in the new media that are attempting to carry on their grandparents biases and bigotry.

This is most notable on Youtube when one tries to find history or archeology or anthropology channels. The throwbacks come out of the woodwork when, say, a channel puts up a show about how the defense of slavery really was the reason for the Confederacy.

One can also tell on Youtube that there are only a few channels, though, which have large subscriber counts, who push the throw-back positions. When you look at a wingnut’s own page they have as their “channels”: Ben Shapiro, or DailyWire, or Veritas. These are the big three. Then PraegerU… and a few more.

Most of the screechier hate-right is off of Youtube now but are found in the plethora of small reach websites.

My belief, though, is that the video-centric, social-media centric web in which the young dwell will be of not as much help for those who are pushing atavistic agendas, compared to the old media in this country from post WWII through say 2008.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:36:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:40:05pm

re: #95 The Ghost of a Flea

Unfortunately, no.

This pattern can and will replicate to new media formats.

Debate bros like Destiny, “skeptics,” and New Atheists are examples of groups that in the Internet Content Age replicate the voluble emptiness of TV…constantly mad at people that insist things can change, and thus doing the loop—excuse the reactionary positions because the alternative is to acknowledge that what is doesn’t work.

Since the only position of atheist is “I do not believe in gods,” it turns out there are a whole range of things they otherwise don’t agree with.

But things can and have changed with the rise of the Internet: Marginalised peoples can find each other, bigots are exposed for who they are, people are exposed to ideas even within their own religion that are different from each other because that other fellow goes to a different church down the street.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:41:52pm

Father’s Day: Trump suggests spending $100 to $7,500 for 2 tickets to see him with Bill O’Reilly

Yes there will be people stupid enough to buy those tickets.

rawstory.com

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:43:16pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m an atheist and I have gotten the vaccine, don’t worship guns, and vote Democrat. The father of one of my son’s friends is an atheist, hasn’t gotten the vaccine even though his wife and kids have, loves his guns more than his second child, and is proud of his vote for Trump.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:44:06pm

The plot thickens…

2 hit by truck, 1 killed at Pride parade in Wilton Manors

Driver and victims were part of Fort Lauderdale Gay Men’s Chorus

Spidey Sense thinks this was an attempted hit on DWS…

local10.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:52:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:53:07pm

re: #103 Belafon

I’m an atheist and I have gotten the vaccine, don’t worship guns, and vote Democrat. The father of one of my son’s friends is an atheist, hasn’t gotten the vaccine even though his wife and kids have, loves his guns more than his second child, and is proud of his vote for Trump.

That’s something I can’t wrap my head around, atheists voting for Republicans. That’s like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

Republicans all my life have tried to smuggle religion into places where it should be excluded (schools, government, laws, &c). Even if Trump was a frickin’ genius, he’s still the head of the party that wants to make this a Christian State.

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retired cynic  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:54:17pm

re: #105 Patricia Kayden

Oh, tears.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:59:05pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s something I can’t wrap my head around, atheists voting for Republicans. That’s like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

If they’re wealthy chickens wishing to not pay taxes, or business-owner chickens wishing to avoid OSHA and EPA regulations… it makes sense.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 8:59:24pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s something I can’t wrap my head around, atheists voting for Republicans. That’s like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

Republicans all my life have tried to smuggle religion into places where it should be excluded (schools, government, laws, &c). Even if Trump was a frickin’ genius, he’s still the head of the party that wants to make this a Christian State.

Memories of the Young Libertarian Alliance organizing on the Pitt campus in the 70s and they were full blown Randite atheists who totally embraced Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalism.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:01:00pm

re: #109 JOE 🥓

Memories of the Young Libertarian Alliance organizing on the Pitt campus in the 70s and they were full blown Randite atheists who totally embraced Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalism.

At least the Libertarian Party isn’t trying to smuggle religion into the law, and Ayn Rand was an atheist. (She also viewed the LP as a bunch of unserious LARPers.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:08:09pm

She isn’t wrong. My family fired me. So did the voters in my town.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:13:38pm

I Was Taught From a Young Age to Protect My Dynastic Wealth (Abigail Disney at The Atlantic, June 17, 2021)

A common ideology underlies the practices of many ultra-wealthy people: The government can’t be trusted with money.

When ProPublica published its report last week on the tax profiles of 25 of the richest Americans, jaws dropped across the United States. How was it possible that plutocrats such as Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Warren Buffett could pay nothing in income taxes to the federal government? What sneaky sleights of pen, what subterfuge, what acts of turpitude could have led to this result?

The shock stems, in part, from a disturbing reality: Nowhere does ProPublica assert that these men cheated, lied, or did anything felonious to lower their tax burdens. The naked fact of the matter is that not a single one of the documented methods and practices that allowed these billionaires to so radically minimize their tax obligations was illegal.

What’s worse, these methods and practices—things such as offsetting income with losses in unrelated businesses; structuring assets to grow rather than generate income, then borrowing against those growing assets for cash needs; and deducting interest payments and state taxes from taxable income—are so downright mundane and commonly applied that most rich people don’t see them as unethical. The more interesting question is not how the men in ProPublica’s report were able to avoid paying much or anything in federal income taxes, but why. What motivates people with so much money to try to withhold every last bit of it from the public’s reach?

One factor is the common ideology that underlies all of these practices: The government is bad and cannot be trusted with money. Far better for the wealthy to keep as much of it as possible for themselves and use (a fraction of) it to do benevolent things through philanthropy.

(more at the link)

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:19:16pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:22:00pm
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JC1  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:25:52pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s something I can’t wrap my head around, atheists voting for Republicans. That’s like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

Republicans all my life have tried to smuggle religion into places where it should be excluded (schools, government, laws, &c). Even if Trump was a frickin’ genius, he’s still the head of the party that wants to make this a Christian State.

Might make sense for obscenely rich atheists who mostly care about lower taxes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:28:02pm

re: #113 JOE 🥓

Plus when religions are weak, they cry out for the protection of the state (such as the Danbury Baptists arguing for separation of church and state, because the theocratic colonies of New England persecuted Baptists).

When they are strong, they try to seize the levers of the state. And when they do, they start persecuting everyone who is not like them, throughout history.

Separation of church and state was written into the various constitutions of the Soviet Union. They lacked freedom of religion not because it wasn’t protected in the law, but because of soldiers in the churches.

Catholics were long persecuted in this country; now they want to become persecutors in turn. That won’t get Protestants to love them, and Catholics are still outnumbered.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:36:27pm
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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:36:45pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The martyr who may rise again: Christian right’s faith in Trump not shaken

The talk in the airy, carpeted corridors of the Road to Majority conference suggests that it has firmly taken root. Several attendees cited the increased use of mail-in ballots due to the coronavirus pandemic as ripe for voter fraud, even though some states have used mail-in voting for years. They also endorsed so-called “audits” taking place in Arizona and elsewhere.

Shelley Villarreal, 56, a retired teacher from Houston, Texas, cited the work of Sidney Powell, a discredited lawyer who was ridiculed for threatening to “release the Kraken”. She said: “Sidney Powell has some pretty good statistics and data and facts. I rely on her to know.”

“If Trump runs, he will be the nominee hands down. I’d like him to; he gets a bad rap from the press. He has a habit of saying things but his policies were great. He got the vaccines out pretty quick. He is pretty sharp but he gets himself into trouble.”

But Kat Kerr, 70, a business owner wearing a Stars and Stripes stole and a “I don’t do demons” badge, insists that the 45th president never lost.

“Trump is our president right now,” she said. “Eighty million Americans know that. You can’t steal a free country.”

This is what passes for Xtianity in America.

theguardian.com

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JOE 🥓  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:38:39pm

And yes we have fireworks going here in my part of Los Angeles tonight…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:42:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:48:44pm

re: #119 JOE 🥓

And yes we have fireworks going here in my part of Los Angeles tonight…

Juneteenth Independence Day?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2021 • 9:56:08pm

re: #59 No Malarkey!

Of course he is, the SBC is a fundamentalist sect. But apparently he isn’t openly racist like Stone.

It seems Litton was seriously involved in promoting racial unity. He also (shocking though it may be) allowed his wife to preach in his presence. So not only is he not a dedicated racist, he may not be as misogynist as most members of the clergy in his church.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:08:30pm

re: #122 Hecuba’s daughter

It seems Litton was seriously involved in promoting racial unity. He also (shocking though it may be) allowed his wife to preach in his presence. So not only is he not a dedicated racist, he may not be as misogynist as most members of the clergy in his church.

There’s a whole lot of Black congregations who walked out of the SBC over their racism; it’s now a much smaller denomination than it was a year or two ago.

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sagehen  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:10:36pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Republicans all my life have tried to smuggle religion into places where it should be excluded (schools, government, laws, &c). Even if Trump was a frickin’ genius, he’s still the head of the party that wants to make this a Christian State.

Not all your life; only since Reagan.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:17:21pm

Perhaps it’s just a personal observation, but I’ve noticed that many of the sorts of folks who ascribe to a “BSAB” philosophy are also the sort of brave souls who will respond to discussions about racism with some variation of “I’m color-blind.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:21:29pm
States with higher vaccination rates now have markedly fewer coronavirus cases, as infections are dropping in places where most residents have been immunized and are rising in many places people have not, a Washington Post analysis has found.

States with lower vaccination also have significantly higher hospitalization rates, The Post found. Poorly vaccinated communities have not been reporting catastrophic conditions. Instead, they are usually seeing new infections holding steady or increasing without overwhelming local hospitals.

As recently as 10 days ago, vaccination rates did not predict a difference in coronavirus cases, but immunization rates have diverged, and case counts in the highly vaccinated states are dropping quickly.

(more)

Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not, Post analysis finds (Washington Post)

Nebraska falls into the “fewer vaccinations, fewer cases” portion of the chart, below the national average.

At least 176.7 million people have received one or both doses of the vaccine in the U.S. (Washington Post vaccine tracker)

On the county tracker, all Nebraska counties show “insufficient data” (because county data has to be politically vetted by the state, and the state doesn’t publish the data). This has caused a patchwork of state reporting, such as meatpacking plants telling the Governor to take a hike and reporting on their own employees despite him trying to block that data.

Public health districts are reporting data for the district, but there are several districts which makes gathering statewide data harder. The state Website does not track that.

Out here in the Old West, we’re surrounded by the crazy areas of Wyoming, South Dakota, and Weld County Colorado.

Panhandle Public Health District Dashboard

My county has a case rate in the last two weeks of 62 per 100,000, and 24% of the county vaccinated. Hospitalisations are going up again (now 5). My county seat is still “moderate risk,” Bayard is “low risk,” my village is “no risk.” (No risk is subjective as all it would take is an out-of-towner to bring it in. Let’s see what happens after today’s parade, street sales, firehouse feed, and party at the community centre.)

For the entire Panhandle plus Grant County, 30% of the district is fully vaccinated.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:23:16pm

I was having trouble staying awake this morning on my drive from Illinois back to NH, so I got a Red Bull. It’s finally kicking in at 1AM in a crappy hotel in Syracuse, NY.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:24:46pm

Canada decided to extend the border closure another month.

No train ride for us.

Our friend in Vancouver says he’ll be happy to keep our car for us if we can ever get across the border for the trip.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:26:12pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

(more)

Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not, Post analysis finds (Washington Post)

Nebraska falls into the “fewer vaccinations, fewer cases” portion of the chart, below the national average.

At least 176.7 million people have received one or both doses of the vaccine in the U.S. (Washington Post vaccine tracker)

On the county tracker, all Nebraska counties show “insufficient data” (because county data has to be politically vetted by the state, and the state doesn’t publish the data). This has caused a patchwork of state reporting, such as meatpacking plants telling the Governor to take a hike and reporting on their own employees despite him trying to block that data.

Public health districts are reporting data for the district, but there are several districts which makes gathering statewide data harder. The state Website does not track that.

Out here in the Old West, we’re surrounded by the crazy areas of Wyoming, South Dakota, and Weld County Colorado.

Panhandle Public Health District Dashboard

My county has a case rate in the last two weeks of 62 per 100,000, and 24% of the county vaccinated. Hospitalisations are going up again (now 5). My county seat is still “moderate risk,” Bayard is “low risk,” my village is “no risk.” (No risk is subjective as all it would take is an out-of-towner to bring it in. Let’s see what happens after today’s parade, street sales, firehouse feed, and party at the community centre.)

For the entire Panhandle plus Grant County, 30% of the district is fully vaccinated.

The big issue going forward? It’s now summer vacation season, which means the assholes who live in those low-vaccination states are going to travel to holiday destinations in many of the high-vaccination states, right at the same time that many states are changing their mask requirements to the honor system.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:27:17pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

An uptick in infections in numerous states offers a preview of summer surges that could take hold “if the unvaccinated continue to behave as though they’re vaccinated,” said Michael Saag, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. For now, risk is unevenly distributed, concentrated in communities where shots are sparse, he said.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:29:16pm

The GOP will never allow churches to be taxed.

They will fight that shit tooth and nail.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:31:21pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:31:27pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

The big issue going forward? It’s now summer vacation season, which means the assholes who live in those low-vaccination states are going to travel to holiday destinations in many of the high-vaccination states, right at the same time that many states are changing their mask requirements to the honor system.

We haven’t traveled out of state except twice to Cheyenne for VA appointments. That’s going from a relatively low risk area to an insanely high area.

My wife and I have limited travel to outdoors areas or locally, because we don’t want to bring anything back to town. I’m not sure how conscientious other people in town are though.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:33:12pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

The GOP will never allow churches to be taxed.

They will fight that shit tooth and nail.

Our previous governor, Dave Heineman (R) proposed legislation here to tax churches except for direct charity work.

Every church in the state howled like they were being crucified personally.

Never get between a church and its money.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:33:20pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

The GOP will never allow churches to be taxed.

They will fight that shit tooth and nail.

“It doesn’t say ‘Separation of Church And State’ anywhere in the Constitution!”

“Alright, then let’s tax churches…”

“WHOA! WHO SAID YOU COULD TAX CHURCHES!? CHURCH AND STATE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATE!!!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:39:11pm

In Wyoming’s Sweetwater County, population 44,000, authorities are at a loss for what else they can do to achieve herd immunity.

Sweetwater carries the unfortunate distinction of being the county with the steepest increase in infections in the state with the most new infections per capita in the country. Only a quarter of its residents are fully vaccinated, and public health officials don’t see the number budging much higher.

Jean Stachon, Sweetwater County’s health officer, said officials held mass clinics, brought vaccine doses to employers and churches and accept walk-ins at the public health office. They have sacrificed extra doses in a vial to vaccinate at least one person. But demand is minimal, even as the virus still looms in the community. Two people died of covid-19 in the last week. Eight emergency room patients were diagnosed with coronavirus in one night.

***

Stachon isn’t sure what she would do if a highly contagious variant tears through the community and some have already been detected. The Wyoming legislature restricted the powers of public health officials like her to put disease control measures in place.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:44:10pm

re: #124 sagehen

Not all your life; only since Reagan.

I posted this on LGF back in 2010:

It is indeed. My involvement with conservative politics dates back to 1964, when I was a teenage volunteer for the Goldwater campaign. A few years later, my yellow-dog Democrat parents took me along when my mom was a delegate to the 1968 Democratic convention. They hoped I would witness the process in all its populist glory and be converted from my wayward Republican ways. What I witnessed instead was the Chicago convention riots and the establishment muscling Hubert Humphrey into the nomination. This confirmed to me that I had been on the right track. My parents were deeply disillusioned themselves.

A lot of water flowed under the bridge in the meantime, but I stayed with the conservative cause until fairly recently. In retrospect, I had been growing uncomfortable with what passed for conservatism for many years. I opposed the Clinton impeachment, for example, regarding it as a facetious witch-hunt.

With the benefit of hindsight, it seems that the rot really started in 1980, when the Reagan campaign made a conscious effort to recruit the nascent religious right as a GOP voting bloc. This involved the kind of compromise that everyone condemns but that all politicians practice. As with so many things that turn out badly, it seemed like a good idea at the time. It would scarcely have seemed possible that a bunch of Bible beating nuts could actually take over the party of Teddy Roosevelt, Nelson Rockefeller, and Barry Goldwater. They could help at the polls, though, and with grassroots activism (a traditional weakness of the GOP) so compromise we did.

Our creation has devoured us now, and Republican conservatism as I knew it has not so much changed as ceased to exist. This process has accelerated with astonishing speed since the 2008 election, with the nuts now fully in charge and the adults either marginalized or driven completely out of the party.

I persisted as long as I did because I thought the nuts would fall flat on their faces and the rest of us could re-build the movement along rational lines. That is impossible now, we are past the point of no return.

The other day, when Robert Gibbs denounced the “professional left,” I suggested that Obama might be trying to construct and define a new right wing to replace the one that has gone over the cliff. I wasn’t joking at all.
Obama is pretty much center-right by global standards anyway. Perhaps we are just catching up with the rest of the world in defining the terms. The self-declared conservatives who attack him are off the scale entirely, a xenophobic mob of quacks and charlatans who have no awareness of, or concern about, what goes on in the rest of the world.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:46:25pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In Wyoming’s Sweetwater County, population 44,000, authorities are at a loss for what else they can do to achieve herd immunity.

Sweetwater carries the unfortunate distinction of being the county with the steepest increase in infections in the state with the most new infections per capita in the country. Only a quarter of its residents are fully vaccinated, and public health officials don’t see the number budging much higher.

Jean Stachon, Sweetwater County’s health officer, said officials held mass clinics, brought vaccine doses to employers and churches and accept walk-ins at the public health office. They have sacrificed extra doses in a vial to vaccinate at least one person. But demand is minimal, even as the virus still looms in the community. Two people died of covid-19 in the last week. Eight emergency room patients were diagnosed with coronavirus in one night.

***

Stachon isn’t sure what she would do if a highly contagious variant tears through the community and some have already been detected. The Wyoming legislature restricted the powers of public health officials like her to put disease control measures in place.

My advice? Give up. There come times when you have to admit defeat and this seems to be one of them. All they’re doing at this point just throwing money away. If the pinheads want to see natural selection acted out in real time, then they’re free to do so on their own dime.

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mmmirele  Jun 19, 2021 • 10:49:11pm

re: #118 JOE 🥓

The martyr who may rise again: Christian right’s faith in Trump not shaken

*snip*

But Kat Kerr, 70, a business owner wearing a Stars and Stripes stole and a “I don’t do demons” badge, insists that the 45th president never lost.

“Trump is our president right now,” she said. “Eighty million Americans know that. You can’t steal a free country.”

This is what passes for Xtianity in America.

theguardian.com

How the hell can they talk about Kat Kerr and not discuss that she’s a fucking whackjob who posts verifiably false prophecies on her Facebook and YouTube and YouTube channels? Holy shit, Guardian, I can’t believe you’re this stupid!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:05:06pm

re: #137 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I don’t know too much about the political manoeuvering surrounding Hubert Humphrey, but the term “police riot” was coined regarding the handling of protestors.

The Origins of the ‘Police Riot’ (The New Yorker, June 9, 2020)

From President Johnson’s Commission on Crime and Violence:

[O]n the part of the police there was enough wild club swinging, enough cries of hatred, enough gratuitous beating to make the conclusion inescapable that individual policemen, and lots of them, committed violent acts far in excess of the requisite force for crowd dispersal or arrest. To read dispassionately the hundreds of statements describing at firsthand the events of Sunday and Monday nights is to become convinced of the presence of what can only be called a police riot.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:07:26pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

My advice? Give up. There come times when you have to admit defeat and this seems to be one of them. All they’re doing at this point just throwing money away. If the pinheads want to see natural selection acted out in real time, then they’re free to do so on their own dime.

If they stayed in Wyoming and there was some way to protect those unable to get vaccines (such as shut-ins or truly medically incapable), I’d be all for that.

Unfortunately, they won’t stay in Wyoming.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:14:05pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If they stayed in Wyoming and there was some way to protect those unable to get vaccines (such as shut-ins or truly medically incapable), I’d be all for that.

Unfortunately, they won’t stay in Wyoming.

IMHO, we’ve reached or are reaching the limits of the portion of the population that will take the vaccine willingly. We’ll probably see a small surge in the fall or winter as the FDA switches the emergency approvals out for full approvals, but what I see beyond that is first vaccines being made required in certain sectors of the economy followed almost immediately by court challenges against those requirements.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:14:33pm

The severe thunderstorm watch here has expired.

Currently here it is clear and 62°F.

Tomorrow will be considerably cooler, with a high of 82°F penciled in. The afternoon and evening are predicted to have severe thunderstorms, with temperatures dropping to the low forties.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:16:47pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

Public health officials in Wyoming counties wanted to ship vaccines where they were both in short supply and needed, such as Michigan.

The Wyoming Legislature blocked that. Wyoming’s wingnut party would rather see them expire unused than send them to another place that wants them.

Part of the issue is Republicans are still actively trying to perpetrate a genocide.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:23:16pm

Thank you for wasting our tax money for your party’s fear-mongering, Governor.

Gov. Ricketts sending Nebraska state troopers to southern border (Omaha World-Herald, one hour ago)

Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts announced Saturday that the state would be sending about 25 Nebraska state troopers to the nation’s border in Texas.

Ricketts joined Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Idaho Gov. Brad Little in stating his plans to send law enforcement officers to the area after Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sent a letter requesting that other governors send available law enforcement resources to the border.

Ricketts did not say how costs for the deployment would be covered. A spokesman for the governor on Saturday did not address questions about who would pay for the deployment.

(more)

I guarantee our billionaire governor isn’t going to pay for that himself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:23:32pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

If they stayed in Wyoming and there was some way to protect those unable to get vaccines (such as shut-ins or truly medically incapable), I’d be all for that.

Unfortunately, they won’t stay in Wyoming.

That has been the problem all along. These people harm those who cannot get vaccines (including children under 12) or have conditions that render the vaccines ineffective. And most refuse to wear masks that would protect these others. And who knows whether gamma or some other new variant might evade the vaccine and unleash a new round of illness and death, thanks to these fools preventing herd immunity.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:23:43pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Public health officials in Wyoming counties wanted to ship vaccines were they were both in short supply and needed, such as Michigan.

The Wyoming Legislature blocked that. Wyoming’s wingnut party would rather see them expire unused than send them to another place that wants them.

Part of the issue is Republicans are still actively trying to perpetrate a genocide.

Which is a pretty good argument for why health officials should be focusing on those places with high demand and letting nature take its course in those places where it’s low. Will the latter travel to the former? Sure, but if the former has been well addressed, then the only people who are in immediate danger are the assholes from one podunk town congregating with shitbirds from others.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:26:08pm
The team of troopers will travel from Nebraska to Del Rio, Texas, later this month and will partner with the Texas Department of Public Safety to provide law enforcement assistance, according to a press release from the governor. They will be deployed for no longer than 16 days.

Heads up, Del Rio.

And the “emergency” will be over in sixteen days? Not much of an emergency.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:27:31pm

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t know too much about the political manoeuvering surrounding Hubert Humphrey, but the term “police riot” was coined regarding the handling of protestors.

The Origins of the ‘Police Riot’ (The New Yorker, June 9, 2020)

From President Johnson’s Commission on Crime and Violence:

I don’t remember if there is real proof but I think it is almost certain that Mayor Daly and the Police Commissioner gave explicit permission for the cops to run wild and “beat the hippies.”
My parents and I witnessed part of it from the balcony of their hotel room (I was in an adjoining room). Since I was 19 and had longish hair, I didn’t dare go out on the street or even to the lobby. The protestors were fleeing full speed and the cops were running after them, furiously beating and kicking any they caught. One boy fell to his knees, exhausted, and raised his hands, only for a cop to kick him in the chest. My mother in particular was horrified. “This shouldn’t be happening, this shouldn’t be happening.” We couldn’t watch long because of the tear gas in the air. I was amazed that no one was killed by the beatings, since there were thousands of victims, though (iirc) there was a shooting fatality earlier in the day.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:28:20pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Which is a pretty good argument for why health officials should be focusing on those places with high demand and letting nature take its course in those places where it’s low. Will the latter travel to the former? Sure, but if the former has been well addressed, then the only people who are in immediate danger are the assholes from one podunk town congregating with shitbirds from others.

Unfortunately, they travel through other podunk towns like mine, where we have no disease and a low vaccination rate partially due to distribution and infrastructure problems.

It only takes one Wyoming douchecanoe to launch the disease here. We have the only gas station between Bridgeport and the east end of US-26 so it gets a lot of out-of-town use.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:29:33pm

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Unfortunately, they travel through other podunk towns like mine, where we have no disease and a low vaccination rate partially due to distribution and infrastructure problems.

It only takes one Wyoming douchecanoe to launch the disease here. We have the only gas station between Bridgeport and the east end of US-26 so it gets a lot of out-of-town use.

Well, then you better pray for the Feds to come in and start forcing mass vaccinations, because at the rate things are going these plague rats are in no hurry to get the shot.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:31:47pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I don’t remember if there is real proof but I think it is almost certain that Mayor Daly and the Police Commissioner gave explicit permission for the cops to run wild and “beat the hippies.”
My parents and I witnessed part of it from the balcony of their hotel room (I was in an adjoining room). Since I was 19 and had longish hair, I didn’t dare go out on the street or even to the lobby. The protestors were fleeing full speed and the cops were running after them, furiously beating and kicking any they caught. One boy fell to his knees, exhausted, and raised his hands, only for a cop to kick him in the chest. My mother in particular was horrified. “This shouldn’t be happening, this shouldn’t be happening.” We couldn’t watch long because of the tear gas in the air. I was amazed that no one was killed by the beatings, since there were thousands of victims, though (iirc) there was a shooting fatality earlier in the day.

Another thing my mother said observing the riot, “I’m glad Uncle Sam [Rayburn, actually her great uncle] isn’t alive to see this.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:32:58pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I don’t remember if there is real proof but I think it is almost certain that Mayor Daly and the Police Commissioner gave explicit permission for the cops to run wild and “beat the hippies.”
My parents and I witnessed part of it from the balcony of their hotel room (I was in an adjoining room). Since I was 19 and had longish hair, I didn’t dare go out on the street or even to the lobby. The protestors were fleeing full speed and the cops were running after them, furiously beating and kicking any they caught. One boy fell to his knees, exhausted, and raised his hands, only for a cop to kick him in the chest. My mother in particular was horrified. “This shouldn’t be happening, this shouldn’t be happening.” We couldn’t watch long because of the tear gas in the air. I was amazed that no one was killed by the beatings, since there were thousands of victims, though (iirc) there was a shooting fatality earlier in the day.

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In the weeks leading up to the 1968 Democratic National Convention, Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley turned his town into a fortress. He sealed the manhole covers with tar, so protesters couldn’t hide in the sewers. He installed a fence topped with barbed wire around the Chicago International Amphitheater. He put the entire police force of 12,000 men on 12-hour shifts and called in over 5,000 National Guardsmen. About 1,000 Secret Service and FBI agents were also on duty, as the city braced for the 10,000 protesters who would soon arrive, wound up by a year of political assassinations, urban riots and the raging Vietnam War.

What could possibly go wrong?

With the whole world watching, the three major news networks brought the answer to that question into millions of Americans’ living rooms. They spared barely a second of the ensuing mayhem in their coverage—and in the course of doing so sparked a national debate about objectivity and journalistic integrity. The liberal-minded tuned in and saw textbook police brutality and “Gestapo tactics,” in the words of Connecticut Senator Abraham Ribicoff. But millions of Middle Americans, the citizens Richard M. Nixon would later immortalize as the “silent majority,” saw an entirely different display of excess—on the part not of the police, but of the TV networks.

(more)

How ‘Fake News’ Was Born at the 1968 DNC (Politico, September 2, 2018)

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:37:29pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s something I can’t wrap my head around, atheists voting for Republicans. That’s like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

Perhaps they’re bigoted against more than just Christianity, like Richard Spencer or 4chan shitlords.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:41:15pm

re: #139 mmmirele

How the hell can they talk about Kat Kerr and not discuss that she’s a fucking whackjob who posts verifiably false prophecies on her Facebook and YouTube and YouTube channels? Holy shit, Guardian, I can’t believe you’re this stupid!

The article makes very clear that this is a meeting of people who believe the big lie (and note that all evidence confirms that DT really lost). Adding that each one of the people they interview is a whackjob would seem redundant.

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:41:29pm

What’s really gonna bake a few MAGAt noodles is the dilemma that will become evident as we move through the summer and into the fall, as cases continue to fall or level out in “socialist” cities/states while they remain level or rise in red ones.

They’ll be forced to decide which is more politically desirable: downplaying the number of infections in order to continue arguing the pandemic is a “hoax” or start inflating the numbers in order to deny Biden the credit for his efforts to get people vaccinated.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:46:22pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Well, then you better pray for the Feds to come in and start forcing mass vaccinations, because at the rate things are going these plague rats are in no hurry to get the shot.

We seem to keep forgetting that being vaccinated will protect you from this. Especially if you don’t get within six feet of them indoors — and why would you? They’re not what I’d want for companions.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:53:07pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 19, 2021 • 11:53:26pm

re: #157 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

We seem to keep forgetting that being vaccinated will protect you from this. Especially if you don’t get within six feet of them indoors — and why would you? They’re not what I’d want for companions.

When you go shopping within a store? or dining inside at a restaurant? Being vaccinated significantly reduces your risk but it doesn’t eliminate it entirely.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:03:05am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s something I can’t wrap my head around, atheists voting for Republicans. That’s like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.

Republicans all my life have tried to smuggle religion into places where it should be excluded (schools, government, laws, &c). Even if Trump was a frickin’ genius, he’s still the head of the party that wants to make this a Christian State.

I know one non-closeted completely out in the open gay man who is a card-carrying, flag-waving, Trump loving Republican. I attempted to remain friends with him for as long as I could stomach but cut him out of my life last year. This is far more of a chickens voting for Col Sanders thing than atheist Republicans.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:06:49am

re: #160 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I know one non-closeted completely out in the open gay man who is a card-carrying, flag-waving, Trump loving Republican. I attempted to remain friends with him for as long as I could stomach but cut him out of my life last year. This is far more of a chickens voting for Col Sanders thing than atheist Republicans.

Being gay doesn’t mean that you are not an immigrant hating white supremacist.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:15:20am

re: #160 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I know one non-closeted completely out in the open gay man who is a card-carrying, flag-waving, Trump loving Republican. I attempted to remain friends with him for as long as I could stomach but cut him out of my life last year. This is far more of a chickens voting for Col Sanders thing than atheist Republicans.

I had a somewhat different experience back in 2016, namely an non-closeted gay man who was a Berner screaming practically up to Election Day that Hillary needed to drop out and let Bernie “win.” And I lost count of the number of times he opined in one fashion or another about how the LGBTQ community had nothing to fear from Trump because (wait for it) Obergefell had made gay marriage legal and there would be no way for Trump to undo that.

So what was driving his acceptance of Hair Furor? The promises of the Tangerine Toddler that he’d “Bring Back Coal,” which was appealing to a gay man with family in Appalachia. I lost contact with him after 2016, but I imagine he’s no happier today with the state of coal mining than he was back then.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:32:49am

re: #156 Targetpractice

What’s really gonna bake a few MAGAt noodles is the dilemma that will become evident as we move through the summer and into the fall, as cases continue to fall or level out in “socialist” cities/states while they remain level or rise in red ones.

They’ll be forced to decide which is more politically desirable: downplaying the number of infections in order to continue arguing the pandemic is a “hoax” or start inflating the numbers in order to deny Biden the credit for his efforts to get people vaccinated.

The MAGAts will start claiming that it’s part and parcel of a conspiracy to exterminate white, rural, Christian GOP voters. As simple as that.

These people are entirely capable of doublethink in a way that would astonish George Orwell.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:51:59am

re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter

When you go shopping within a store? or dining inside at a restaurant? Being vaccinated significantly reduces your risk but it doesn’t eliminate it entirely.

Yes to both. At this point, all the evidence is that vaccination reduces your chances of hospitalization to about one in a million. People who can’t tolerate that level of risk should probably stay at home under their beds.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:52:58am

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Being gay doesn’t mean that you are not an immigrant hating white supremacist.

Or interested in lower taxes above all else.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 12:55:01am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

The MAGAts will start claiming that it’s part and parcel of a conspiracy to exterminate white, rural, Christian GOP voters. As simple as that.

These people are entirely capable of doublethink in a way that would astonish George Orwell.

They simply don’t believe the numbers, and I doubt there’s any way to convince them. On which cheerful note, I’m off to bed. Night!

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:04:25am

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Being gay doesn’t mean that you are not an immigrant hating white supremacist.

Neither does being an atheist, but I believe of the two, LGBTQ+ people are more “the enemy” in the minds of the average RWNJ over atheists. Atheists can, and have been, useful idiots in their various crusades (pun intended) specifically against Islam but also feminism and social justice in general. Because a lot of Atheists are rich or entitled middle aged white dudes.

Many prominent people in the Atheist community, especially the online atheist community have proven to be just as big of bigots and reactionary assholes as the right wing Christians.

Pat Condell, remember him LGF? He made videos bitching about religion and creationism, then focused on Islam, and transitioned into spreading conspiracy theories about Muslim hordes taking over Europe and UK, “no-go zones”, etc… Eventually he was indistinguishable from Pam Gellar or Robert Spencer.

Carl Benjamin, AKA Sargon of Akkad another really famous personality on Youtube and social media. Atheist, but also a raging right wing asshole on every other topic from his Anti-Feminism, Islamophobia, Pro-Gamergate, Pro-Brexit, Anti-immigration horse shit.

Thomas J. Kirk, AKA The Amazing Atheist. Another asshole on Youtube who’s videos attacking creationism have been posted here, more than once, recently. He’s also a raging anti-feminist who rants in all his other videos about SJWs and is basically an Men’s Rights Activist now, who is teetering on becoming an outright pro-rape apologist.

I believe recently, correct me if I’m wrong, that Richard Dawkins who’s a known atheist, but also a known asshole, said publicly he would rather live in a Christian country than a Muslim one and went into disgusting Islamophobic detail as to why.

I am an agnostic, but I’m basically an atheist for all intents and purposes, so I consider the atheist community to more or less be “my community” as well, but I know we are far from morally superior to theists, and we have A LOT of trash that needs to be taken out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:20:32am

re: #58 A Mom Anon

I hate thinking like that, but they want a war.

I’ve said it before, I really struggle with the things they are so angry and hateful over don’t actually exist. Critical Race Theory is just the latest bullshit thing. Think of all the made up shit about African slaves and Black Americans, the reasons to be scared, the made up stereotypes that get passed down as a really fucked up legacy, that way too many humans are still proud of.

There is nothing anti-American or hateful or racist about admitting that we have made some mistakes in history.

In fact, part of what Makes America (or any other nation) Great is the ability to learn from our mistakes.

If you don’t think that it was mistake to import and keep slaves, to base an entire economy and society on exploitation of slave labor, to fight a war over the expansion of slavery and then to continue to discriminate against the freed slaves and their descendants through legislation, and by denying them education and access to government loans and subsidies, then you really need to rethink things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:26:11am

re: #93 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Commercial television exists to sell advertisement.

Whether we like it or not, a large swath of the US is filled with the religious-right and the fascist-adjacent.

And these are more often than not old people.

We keep thinking that TV viewers are the “customers” and that the programming is the “Product”

Not at all. The product is the advertising time, the customers are the advertisers, the programming is just window dressing to make the advertising time more valuable by attracting more viewers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:27:32am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

US Catholic Bishops: willing to weaponize the Eucharist over something Christ never mentioned.

“Body Count of Christ”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:29:03am

re: #108 sagehen

If they’re wealthy chickens wishing to not pay taxes, or business-owner chickens wishing to avoid OSHA and EPA regulations… it makes sense.

The same with the gay Republicans I know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:35:45am

re: #160 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I know one non-closeted completely out in the open gay man who is a card-carrying, flag-waving, Trump loving Republican. I attempted to remain friends with him for as long as I could stomach but cut him out of my life last year. This is far more of a chickens voting for Col Sanders thing than atheist Republicans.

Similar case here with an old college buddy who later came out.

He was going on about scairdy little rabbit mask wearers and I reminded him of how his husband was in a car wreck last year and needed to be put on a respirator and if those all had been taken by Covid cases, me might well have died in the hospital.

He was also a big Milo fan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:36:46am

re: #165 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Or interested in lower taxes above all else.

Keep in mind that if you are not raising a family, you don’t have much to gain from the dependent child deduction, nor are you looking for a large house in a neighborhood with good schools to write off a mortgage deduction, etc…

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2021 • 1:44:55am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is nothing anti-American or hateful or racist about admitting that we have made some mistakes in history.

In fact, part of what Makes America (or any other nation) Great is the ability to learn from our mistakes.

Germany’s done a really good job of that. They took a real serious look in the mirror, said “OMG look what we did!” and made a sustained effort to transform themselves into the kind of country that would never ever EVER again do anything even 1/4 that awful ever again.

They have detailed classes 2 or 3 times (different age groups) about “look how bad we fucked up”, they’ve got museums and memorials and public art projects all over the place reminding them, and they keep a pretty close eye on any domestic groups that seem to want to tread a similar path.

ETA: and with all of that, it still took me until 50 years after the war to start to believe their repentance was sincere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 2:20:11am

re: #174 sagehen

Germany’s done a really good job of that. They took a real serious look in the mirror, said “OMG look what we did!” and made a sustained effort to transform themselves into the kind of country that would never ever EVER again do anything even 1/4 that awful ever again.

They have done an admirable job if it but sometimes they go a bit overboard with it.

Remember the “Pitch in” campaign from the 70’s with the logo of a figure tossing a can into a bin?

Somebody reworked that into a “Machs mit” logo with the figure tossing a swastika into a bin.

The local authorities in Stuttgart came out and banned him from selling or displaying them because a Swastika is a Swastika and it is illegal to display “symbols of anti-constitutional organizations” in Germany.

So they had to amend the laws to make it legal to display a swastika in a manner that is clearly anti-Nazi in nature….

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:10:38am

How drunk do you have to be to run into the back of a fire truck working an accident on a 6 lane wide freeway? Jesus, people amaze me.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:11:44am

It happens about 4 times a year around here.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:19:52am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:29:02am

re: #167 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

You can add David Silverman to your list of awful White make atheists. He’s now spouting nonsense about George Floyd being a criminal and deserving to be murdered and he’s also for limiting discussions about racism.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:32:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:35:50am

re: #179 Patricia Kayden

You can add David Silverman to your list of awful White make atheists. He’s now spouting nonsense about George Floyd being a criminal and deserving to be murdered and he’s also for limiting discussions about racism.

If criminals deserve to be murdered then by extension, Capitol police would have been fully justified in Tienamin Square-ing all of the Capitol rioters.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 3:46:17am

Happy Father’s Day and Happy Summer Solstice.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 4:06:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 4:09:53am

re: #183 Dread Pirate Ron

One person is dead and five others are injured after a shooting along Lake Merritt near the Juneteenth Festival in Oakland Saturday, police said.

Why do I have a feeling that Juneteenth is going to turn out to be one of our bloodiest holidays? Especially when the GOP finally loses its grip on a lot of its current power and its followers begin to feel even more “persecuted”, “helpless” and “betrayed”?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Jun 20, 2021 • 4:43:46am

Russia is butthurt over sympathy for Champ.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Jun 20, 2021 • 4:51:30am

re: #185 Dread Pirate Ron

“murders surging in America’s big blue cities”

Where do they get this shit? This is almost “Sky is green” level of bullshit.

Violent Crime was been on a downward trend since 1991. Murders as well. I’ve heard they ticked up a little in 2020, but not a “surge”.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 5:39:28am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

US Catholic Bishops: willing to weaponize the Eucharist over something Christ never mentioned.

“Body Count of Christ”

That sounds like a great name for a band.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 5:43:10am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 5:45:32am

Now we’re starting to do our global outreach:

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 5:48:21am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 5:49:33am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 5:52:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 6:34:03am

re: #185 Dread Pirate Ron

Russia is butthurt over sympathy for Champ.

I don’t even want to know what happens to Putin’s dogs when they no longer please or serve him…

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jeffreyw  Jun 20, 2021 • 6:35:07am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 6:37:02am

re: #191 Belafon

when people tell you to get vaccinated it means “I don’t want you to die & hurt the people around you”. when people tell you not to it means “I’m insecure in my death cult and want you to join me in hurting others for my own reassurance”

“I need you to believe the same unsubstantiated claims about magnetism, 5G tracking and altering DNA. And to reject anything that traitor Fauci says”

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 6:38:52am

CNN isn’t entirely different from outlets for airheads like Fox.

Top story.
They lost their loved ones to Covid. Then they heard from them again (CNN).

Maybe it’s that people can’t handle their loss, or MAYBE IT’S THE DEAD SPEAKING TO THE LIVING!!1! According to CNN.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 20, 2021 • 6:56:05am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:02:43am

re: #197 HRH Stanley Sea

You cannot say that he is not clean after seeing that.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:05:27am

re: #197 HRH Stanley Sea

I’ve never seen a carwash move before, rather than the car moving through it on tracks, but all my experiences with that kind of carwash were in my parent’s cars 40 years ago.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:15:29am

2021: Happy Fathers Day from Southern California

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JOE 🥓  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:18:21am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Our previous governor, Dave Heineman (R) proposed legislation here to tax churches except for direct charity work.

Every church in the state howled like they were being crucified personally.

Never get between a church and its money.

Never get between a Pulpit Pimp and his sweet sweet tax-exempt Swiss Bank account!

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A Mom Anon  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:21:32am

re: #196 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I really don’t know an exact timeline on this, but I noticed when my son was very young(he’s 27 now) and I couldn’t go back to work that “morning news” had been turned into a tv version of stereotypical “women’s magazines”. Segments on fashion, makeup, Hollywood gossip, interviews with celebrities, cooking, etc. Some genius decided that morning shows should be aimed at stay home moms and dumbed everything the fuck down because silly womenz can’t understand complex issues . I hadn’t noticed before then because I had been working full time. I hate morning TV, Good Morning America, Today, etc because it’s not informative. I stopped watching CSPAN in the mornings because wingnuts kept flooding the phone lines with their crap. Morning news spends maybe 5 minutes an hour on headlines, the rest is what some corporate jackass thinks women want to see. That has bled into all the other things getting branded as news now. Even MSNBC, that bastion of liberal evilness, has some really awful guests and hosts. Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell as hosts? They are not liberals. They let John Bolton on the air to talk about Biden’s visit to Europe and meeting with Putin. Why? There’s a ton of other people that could host and be interviewed.

I don’t buy that Americans have a short attention span. Many do, but think about how many people sit for hours watching Fox News or even sports. We choose from a crappy menu and think that’s all there is. I’m old enough to remember Walter Cronkite and the coverage of the Vietnam War on TV and in newspapers. While we didn’t get all the details, but the dead were listed and their pictures shown. Contrasted with the deployment of troops after 9/11, where we really didn’t hear much about the dead unless they were from your locale or somehow famous. The people we saw on the news were also journalists, they knew how to report on current events without a lot of personal commentary and experts being interviewed were somewhat qualified. Was it perfect? Nope. But there were some damned rules and standards applied. And the faces and voices were white pretty much exclusively til probably the 80s or 90s. When news became just like entertainment was the turning point. Dumbing it down for mommies(which is offensive and really stupid just for starters) was a death blow.

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:26:16am

New insult tiem: “Cosplaytriot”. That is all.

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Jay C  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:27:16am

re: #199 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I’ve never seen a carwash move before, rather than the car moving through it on tracks, but all my experiences with that kind of carwash were in my parent’s cars 40 years ago.

Modern times: many recent washes are completely self-service/unattended: you drive your car into it (after first paying at a card-slot outside, of course), stop; and the washers/sprayers/brushes move around the vehicle to clean it: then you drive out (slowly) through an air-blast to dry off. Easy enough for just cleaning the outside, and has the advantage (to the operator) of not needing any personnel. Of course, if something goes wrong, you’re generally SOL, but then again, welcome to 2021….

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:29:15am

When people don’t do their research beforehand… [Sauce]

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:29:52am

re: #3 PhillyPretzel

That is perfect.

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:30:06am

re: #45 Dave In Austin

The only correct answer is Yul Brenner.

So let it be written, so let it be done *clap clap*.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:30:57am

re: #206 darthstar

I’m starting to think the one star on the Texas flag represents its rating.

“Come and Take it” is not getting many takers…

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JOE 🥓  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:32:39am

For Father’s Day…Dad loved when Groucho sang this!

Groucho-Father’s Day

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:34:26am

Germans celebrate Vatertag on Ascension Thursday, which usually fall in mid-to late May as it depends on the date of Easter.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:37:47am

re: #167 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

……

I am an agnostic, but I’m basically an atheist for all intents and purposes, so I consider the atheist community to more or less be “my community” as well, but I know we are far from morally superior to theists, and we have A LOT of trash that needs to be taken out.

20th century mass murderers include atheists like Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin. You do not need to believe in a supernatural being to be willing to slaughter your fellow man (and woman) in the name of some “higher” principle.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:51:37am

re: #204 Jay C

Some gas stations have track-based carwashes, others have the stationary kind - up in my neck of the worrds (Northern lower Michigan) there are more standalone carwashes (for obvious reasons) and those that are station-based are standa-alone based.

(That video with the dog in the carwash is definitely not from the US - the plates give it away.)

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:52:55am

There’s a black owned brewery, dunordcraftspirits.com, that not only sells a variety of spirits, but immediately recognized the employee union. They are based in Minnesota, with a few places in California, but it looks like you can order from them.

dailykos.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:53:29am

Sigh. So my Trump cult FB friend posts today:

News is finally getting out about early successful treatment for Covid. The mainstream media and the government lied to us about early treatment.
Thousands of us know that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine
saved lives with early treatment.
Over 600,000 people died because of the politicization of drugs that have been on the market for years.

Does anyone know of information from legitimate sources that supports this contention? Before her comment, I never heard of Ivermectin.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:56:26am

re: #212 Eric The Fruit Bat

Some gas stations have track-based carwashes, others have the stationary kind - up in my neck of the worrds (Northern lower Michigan) there are more standalone carwashes (for obvious reasons) and those that are station-based are standa-alone based.

The Metroplex has all three of them. Some people prefer doing it themselves. The gas stations tend to be stationary. Our track based ones either allow you to sit in your car, or you can choose one where you hand your car off to the crew, they send it through a track, and at the end dry it off by hand and clean the interior. You can pay monthly as well, so that you can go through as often as you want.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:58:06am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

fda.gov

Debunks another Republican lie!

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:58:20am

re: #203 Teukka

New insult tiem: “Cosplaytriot”. That is all.

I could see it shortened to playtriot.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:59:24am

Not only does the Quacken not own the mansion, the actual owner says she does not know the woman and has no idea how she got there.
Head of firms that pushed ‘Italygate’ theory falsely claimed VA mansion was her home: report

A woman who heads two firms that pushed an election fraud conspiracy theory known as “Italygate” falsely claimed a mansion in Virginia was her home, The Washington Post reported.

Michele Roosevelt Edwards, who is in charge of USAerospace Partners and the Institute for Good Governance, claimed a $30 million mansion was her home during an interview with a television crew from Iceland.

The mansion is the historical North Wales farm located in Warrenton, Va., according to state records reviewed by the Post.

*snip*

Edwards leads two companies — USAerospace Partners and the Institute for Good Governance — were involved in the election conspiracy theory “Italygate.”

The theory stems from a letter that former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows emailed to acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen claiming that an Italian defense contractor worked with U.S. intelligence to corrupt the 2020 presidential election.

More specifically, the theory holds that votes were changed from former President Trump to then-candidate Biden President by military satellites controlled by senior CIA officials and people who worked for the defense contractor.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 7:59:38am

Why is Julianne Moore in this terrible, terrible, movie?

Evolution (2001)
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:04:47am

re: #219 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Why is Julianne Moore in this terrible, terrible, movie?

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That is a hilarious movie and I rank it with the first Tremors movie. She was in there because she likes to act and doesn’t want to be typecast.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:06:31am

re: #220 Belafon

That is a hilarious movie and I rank it with the first Tremors movie. She was in there because she likes to act and doesn’t want to be typecast.

Even as a fan of bad SciFi, I’m not seeing it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:07:36am

re: #219 Punish Domestic Terrorists

Why is Julianne Moore in this terrible, terrible, movie?

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$$$$$$$$$$

Actors gotta eat.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:08:05am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

The Q take a horse de-wormer. Maybe it’s the horse version of that drug.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:09:42am

re: #222 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

$$$$$$$$$$

Actors gotta eat.

Yeah, I don’t think she was JULIANNE MOORE at that point.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:10:25am

This is why we need libel law reform on the Federal level.

Maria Bartiromo erupts defending Jan. 6 lies: ‘Keep trashing me — I’ll keep telling the truth’

Which that liar has never done.

rawstory.com

Youtube Video

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:10:48am

re: #220 Belafon

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mmmirele  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:12:23am

re: #155 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

The article makes very clear that this is a meeting of people who believe the big lie (and note that all evidence confirms that DT really lost). Adding that each one of the people they interview is a whackjob would seem redundant.

Yeah, but Kat Kerr is a known whackjob with 110,000 followers on Facebook. And pink hair. She’s not just a “businesswoman.” She has been prophesying for months that Trump will be coming back to office. Seriously, I am going to fault the Guardian reporter for being stupid.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:13:57am

re: #218 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

It’s grifters and swindlers all the way down:
Mark Meadows and the Undisclosed Dinosaur Property
A fight among fossil hunters, a dubious documentary, and the conservative congressman from North Carolina.

Three years ago, the North Carolina congressman Mark Meadows sold a hundred-and-thirty-four-acre property in Dinosaur, Colorado. The buyer was Answers in Genesis, a Christian nonprofit based in Kentucky, which was founded by the Australian creationist Ken Ham. Answers in Genesis is dedicated to promoting young-Earth creationism, which holds that the Earth was created in six days, several thousand years ago. According to documents related to the sale, Meadows was to be paid about two hundred thousand dollars for the property, in monthly installments, the last of which was paid last year.

Neither the sale nor any such payments are noted on Meadows’s congressional financial disclosures, which he is required by law to file annually. Meadows is a founding member of the very conservative House Freedom Caucus and is one of the more prominent members of Congress; last year, Donald Trump reportedly considered making him the White House chief of staff. Why didn’t Meadows disclose the property or the sale? The congressman declined to comment for this story. In August, the Charlotte Observer reported that Meadows—who, before becoming a congressman, was a successful real-estate developer—owned land in northeastern North Carolina that he had also failed to list on his disclosure reports. It’s possible that these nondisclosures reflect a pattern of ignoring congressional reporting rules.

It’s also possible that Meadows wanted to avoid drawing attention to the Colorado property and the complicated and perhaps unflattering story behind it. The property is not an ordinary piece of land but a rich site for finding dinosaur bones, and this appears to be the primary reason that Meadows bought it. Those bones then became the subject of a long-running fight among young-Earth creationists—and they are likely the reason that Meadows sold the land, ultimately, to Answers in Genesis. Meadows’s involvement with the land may have been, in part, a moneymaking venture, but it seems chiefly to reflect his commitment to, and entanglement with, the contentious and controversial world of creationist paleontology.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:14:02am

re: #216 JOE 🥓

Ivermectin is a dog dewormer and the topical treatment is used for mange. How anyone could think this is an antiviral drug is beyond me when you can read the damned label. I know it’s been used in humans for parasites but it’s not that common.

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JOE 🥓  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:14:59am

Not if Attorney General Shapiro stops it, convicted felon!

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:16:24am

re: #194 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:16:24am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

Ivermectin has been used in many repurosing trials worldwide along with other medications to treat COVID. Many of these who tout HCQ and Ivermectin fail to mention that little tidbit, and I have not seen any real large-scale (> 1000) trials of re-purposed medications with placebos, because quite frankly, doing such is ethically really, really bad.

One of the websites I monitor will occasionally pop-up with a Ivermectin article that’s been peer-reviwed, although that’s not their main beat.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:16:27am

re: #230 JOE 🥓

Josh will stop it. He has stopped all of the other challenges.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:20:30am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

Over 600,000 people died because of the politicization of drugs that have been on the market for years.

And which were tested and found ineffective.

They are convinced that Trump could have saved America with Hydroxychloriquine but that the Deep State knew that would turn him into a Savant, Savior of the Nation and unstoppable Presidential Candidate in 2020.

The only possible explanation can be that Fauci and his other co-conspirators lied to keep Trump from being reelected.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:21:41am

re: #226 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I watched Evolution with my kids and found it kinda funny but generally forgettable.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:25:12am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And which were tested and found ineffective.

They are convinced that Trump could have saved America with Hydroxychloriquine but that the Deep State knew that would turn him into a Savant, Savior of the Nation and unstoppable Presidential Candidate in 2020.

The only possible explanation can be that Fauci and his other co-conspirators lied to keep Trump from being reelected.

I did find a current reference to hydroxychloroquine:

Experts say the small study that this claim is based on proves nothing, and that enough evidence now exists from well-run studies to indicate that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating COVID-19. The study in question is being misrepresented online to falsely suggest that top health officials were wrong when they found that hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, had no benefit as a COVID-19 treatment. The observational study, which has not been vetted by independent scientists, gained attention on social media after it was posted on May 31 to Medrxiv, a website that displays medical papers that have not been published. Posts online, many from supporters of former President Donald Trump, claimed the study shows that health officials and media were wrong to discount the benefits of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19, which Trump had championed. Several health professionals told The Associated Press that using the new study to tout the benefits of hydroxychloroquine is misleading. “This is a very small study from a single hospital that was observational only,” said Dr. Jaimie Meyer, infectious disease physician at Yale School of Medicine. “The answer to COVID is vaccination, not hydroxychloroquine.”

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:25:29am

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JOE 🥓  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:26:58am

God made you an asshole. Live with it.

Just like you said you would never go to a dentist.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:27:05am

re: #224 Belafon

Yeah, I don’t think she was JULIANNE MOORE at that point.

She was in Boogie Nights back in 1997; IIRC, she won a good deal of praise for her role as Amber Waves. Of course, pretty much everyone in that film brought their absolute A-game.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:27:49am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

Sigh. So my Trump cult FB friend posts today:

Does anyone know of information from legitimate sources that supports this contention? Before her comment, I never heard of Ivermectin.

Per wikipedia, it’s approved for treatment for parasitic infestations, and claims that it helped against covid are not supported by evidence.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:29:22am

re: #220 Belafon

That is a hilarious movie and I rank it with the first Tremors movie. She was in there because she likes to act and doesn’t want to be typecast.

I liked the entire series. I always laugh when Burt returns to base after his first run in with the Shriekers and states, while wiping gore off of his sun glasses, “I feel that I have been denied critical, need to know information, in a very disgusted tone of voice.

I feel I was denied… critical…. NEED TO KNOW…. INFORMATION.

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:30:23am

re: #238 JOE 🥓

My response to a response to that:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:33:12am

re: #236 Hecuba’s daughter

So a lot of people who do not understand how science or research or medicine work came across a FB posting from someone’s cousin that could be construed to read that there might be sinister forces were afoot to prevent a simple, quick cure to Covid being approved because that might inadvertently benefit Trump?

It would also fit into his repeated assertion that Covid is nothing too serious, that is is being overblown, look, you can treat it with some simple and easily available cures, like bleach, pool cleaner and sunlight…

That is the sorta “we don’t need no education” agenda that they love to push because they cannot be bother to learn how science or statistics work.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:37:15am

re: #227 mmmirele

Yeah, but Kat Kerr is a known whackjob with 110,000 followers on Facebook. And pink hair. She’s not just a “businesswoman.” She has been prophesying for months that Trump will be coming back to office. Seriously, I am going to fault the Guardian reporter for being stupid.

I’ve never heard of her, and the Guardian’s British-based audience probably hasn’t either. Why give her the notoriety, or publicize her Facebook presence?

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:37:16am

re: #238 JOE 🥓

Because it’s not Cole’s will to do the wrong thing. God just coincidentally wants to do the wrong thing and kill a lot more people just like he does.

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Dangerman  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:40:09am

re: #232 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ivermectin has been used in many repurosing trials worldwide along with other medications to treat COVID. Many of these who tout HCQ and Ivermectin fail to mention that little tidbit, and I have not seen any real large-scale (> 1000) trials of re-purposed medications with placebos, because quite frankly, doing such is ethically really, really bad.

One of the websites I monitor will occasionally pop-up with a Ivermectin article that’s been peer-reviwed, although that’s not their main beat.

If anything, including these things, worked -I mean really works more than just a possibly marginally statistically signifanct vs placebo (even if that) - everyone would know it and everyone would be using it.

There’s a reason homeopathy just can’t seem to catch on.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:40:34am

re: #244 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

I’ve never heard of her, and the Guardian’s British-based audience probably hasn’t either. Why give her the notoriety, or publicize her Facebook presence?

I hadn’t either until her fantasies about Trump being reinstated were covered, probably at RightWingWatch. The name and hair make her hard to forget, but really she’s a crackpot nobody that most people will not be aware of.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:40:41am

re: #244 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

I’ve never heard of her, and the Guardian’s British-based audience probably hasn’t either. Why give her the notoriety, or publicize her Facebook presence?

Again, because social media presence and chatter is a news item in and of itself.

That is the first thing that people like Breitbart and Matt Drudge came to learn early on, and they used it to reshape (or rather derail and distort) political and social discourse in America and the rest of the world.

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mmmirele  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:44:50am

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

It’s grifters and swindlers all the way down:
Mark Meadows and the Undisclosed Dinosaur Property
A fight among fossil hunters, a dubious documentary, and the conservative congressman from North Carolina.

This, folks, is a great story, and it only scratches the surface that is the crazy of the “creation science” movement. As some of you may know, I keep an eye on Kent Hovind, the bargain basement of creationists. Some of his arguments are SO BAD that other creationists, like Ken Ham, say (without directly naming Hovind) not to use them.

Hovind was convicted in 2006 of failure to pay Social Security taxes for his employees at his “Dinosaur Adventure Land” in Pensacola and for structuring. He got out of prison five years ago and has since that time been working on his grift, which is a combination of creationism and sovereign citizen nuttery at a new DAL in Alabama. He divorced his long suffering (and I do mean suffering, she went to prison for a year for that asshole, also on the structuring charges) wife Jo. Then he married anti-vaxxer Mary Tocco in a (recognized at the time) common law marriage. (Alabama now does not recognize common law marriages.) Then he and Mary had a falling out, but so far as I know, never divorced. He then got a woman named Cindi to come to DAL, he proceeded to sweet talk her out of well over $100K to buy toys for his weird ass little dino park in Repton, AL. (Like a Kubota front end loader and ATVs.) Oh, yeah, he’s got a little cult thing going down there too, but if you cross Kent, you are out on your azz.

Anyway, he and Cindi were “married” (but they weren’t legally) and now Kent has shafted her as well and she’s raising hell. One of my friends has gotten a lot of documentation, and he’s been going through it, but the one thing missing in all of this is a contract for the money she says she lent to DAL and which Kent, and his consigliere, Ernie Land, say was a donation. She’s wanting an attorney to take the case on contingency and I said no attorney would take the case based on the paperwork presently available AND because Kent is a sovereign citizen who will bollix up the court system, because he has in the past.

Personally, I think Kent is a flaming narcissist. I ran into his son, Eric, when I was protesting the anti-abortion church in my neighborhood a couple of years ago and we had a private discussion. Apparently Kent was still texting Eric every day. He was pissed off at Eric for taking his old creationist organization and making it legitimate with the IRS while he was in prison. And he pissed off Eric by divorcing Eric’s mom Jo. I’m no fan of Eric’s, but I felt sorry for him because in discussing it, he just looked *worn out* from dealing with his dad’s constant badgering, but couldn’t bring himself to completely cut him off. However, that’s no excuse for following in Dad’s footsteps and preaching the lie that is young earth six days creationism, which Eric does do.

ETA: another weird angle of the “creation science” movement is Rachael Dolezal, the woman who claimed to be black? Her parents were creationist missionaries for the organization that Ken Ham hived off from.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:45:43am

re: #229 A Mom Anon

Ivermectin is a dog dewormer and the topical treatment is used for mange. How anyone could think this is an antiviral drug is beyond me when you can read the damned label. I know it’s been used in humans for parasites but it’s not that common.

Hydroxychloriquine is an antimalarial, and malaria is also a parasite. Maybe it was investigated as a treatment along with DT’s famous remedy — I don’t know why it was thought that either might be effective against covid, but there were serious investigations. (And DT didn’t pull the name out of a hat.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:47:06am

re: #250 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Hydroxychloriquine is an antimalarial, and malaria is also a parasite. Maybe it was investigated as a treatment along with DT’s famous remedy — I don’t know why it was thought that either might be effective against covid, but there were serious investigations. (And DT didn’t pull the name out of a hat.)

and had it been proven the slightest bit effective, he would still be President…

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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:48:10am

Happy Father’s Day!

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:51:14am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, because social media presence and chatter is a news item in and of itself.

That is the first thing that people like Breitbart and Matt Drudge came to learn early on, and they used it to reshape (or rather derail and distort) political and social discourse in America and the rest of the world.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The Guardian quoted her, without any information about her, in a story about DT supporters who think he’s still president.

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:51:49am

Trump elevated every junk science and woo suggestion for the pandemic that he and his know nothing sycophantic suckups could find.

That was their solution for a pandemic instead of following the playbook of masking, lockdowns, and holding the line until vaccinations became available. They made every aspect of the pandemic worse.

How many families lost their fathers, brothers, or sons due to this pandemic and Trump’s politicization of masking as a symbol of “freedumb”. How many thousands of families were torn asunder? 600,000+

How many families has to deal with irreparable harms from pandemic? Millions.

That’s all on the so called “pro life” GOP.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:54:22am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

She was in Boogie Nights back in 1997; IIRC, she won a good deal of praise for her role as Amber Waves. Of course, pretty much everyone in that film brought their absolute A-game.

True, and she did the Big Lewboski the next year, while Evolution didn’t come out until a couple of years later. But neither of the roles in Boogie Nights and the Big Lewbowski were one of the major roles. Then again, Jurassic Park: Lost World came out the year before Boogie Nights, so I could be wrong about her star power at that point.

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:54:41am

Happy Father’s Day to those celebrating. Missing both my folks today, so hold on to what you got - and the good memories that you shared with them.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:54:56am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and had it been proven the slightest bit effective, he would still be President…

As you know, I call bullshit on that.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:56:25am

re: #254 lawhawk

Trump elevated every junk science and woo suggestion for the pandemic that he and his know nothing sycophantic suckups could find.

That was their solution for a pandemic instead of following the playbook of masking, lockdowns, and holding the line until vaccinations became available. They made every aspect of the pandemic worse.

How many families lost their fathers, brothers, or sons due to this pandemic and Trump’s politicization of masking as a symbol of “freedumb”. How many thousands of families were torn asunder? 600,000+

How many families has to deal with irreparable harms from pandemic? Millions.

That’s all on the so called “pro life” GOP.

A man who was in a position where he was supposed to be a leader used it as an opportunity to sell snake oil. The grifters around the chief grifter are still trying to sell snake oil to this day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:57:01am

It’s Father’s Day, so how about a dad joke?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:58:32am

Serendipitously, popped up today a presentation on the channel Skeptics In The Pub, “Why patients want bad medicines - Dr Micheal De Barra”

Why patients want bad medicines - Dr Micheal De Barra

..

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 8:59:12am

re: #252 No Malarkey!

Happy Father’s Day!

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I have noticed that as I do more and more programming and less writing, that I will attempt to write sentences that try to not lead to that kind of ambiguity, even if they don’t exactly flow as great English. When I start writing sentences where the pronoun refers not to the closest noun, but the one before it, my brain gets stuck trying to undo that, and I end up repeating nouns.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:01:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:01:14am

Reference to yesterday
re: #88 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

M 3.9 Experimental Explosion - 170 km ENE of Ponce Inlet, Florida (USGS Earthquake Site)

re: #92 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Probably USS Ford’s “shock trials”

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:02:24am

re: #242 Teukka

My response to a response to that:

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There’s were so many responses that seemed to think it was their job to tell him he was a sinner for not believing in God rather than going after the person who didn’t want the vaccine.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:02:28am

re: #252 No Malarkey!

I’ve been reading Henry Fielding’s Tom Jones lately, so that Sign looks wrong in that more words than Nouns are randomly capitalized.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:03:04am

re: #253 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The Guardian quoted her, without any information about her, in a story about DT supporters who think he’s still president.

I am sure they quoted her because they saw she has a high social media profile

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:04:35am

re: #257 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

As you know, I call bullshit on that.

Trump came uncomfortably close to winning. If HQX had been the least bit effective, the RW media would have praised Trump to the skies as a brilliant mind and Savior of America and the World…

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:06:55am

re: #262 The Pie Overlord!

There’s a parent there that knows they’re delusional using their family as props in their effort to prop up their crackpot worldview.

If Biden had dementia no one would need to put it on stupid shirts.
Trash made a madman President, and now they need to live entirely in an alternate reality to be able to tell themselves they’re good people.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:07:06am
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ericblair  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:15:08am

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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:17:03am

What the white supremacists don’t want taught.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:18:54am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:19:56am

re: #250 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Hydroxychloriquine is an antimalarial, and malaria is also a parasite. Maybe it was investigated as a treatment along with DT’s famous remedy — I don’t know why it was thought that either might be effective against covid, but there were serious investigations. (And DT didn’t pull the name out of a hat.)

It is quite common for existing medications to be investigated and repurposed for other uses. It can be very profitable for a pharmaceutical firm to expand their sales market to new customers, without the trouble of developing new drugs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:21:07am

re: #271 No Malarkey!

What the white supremacists don’t want taught.

You learned about Colin Kaepernick taking a knee but you conveniently forgot that until 2009, the players did not even come out of the locker room until after the National Anthem and only started doing so because the Military started paying professional sports leagues money to make their events “more patriotic” to help boost recruitment.

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No Malarkey!  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:22:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:22:24am

re: #273 Hecuba’s daughter

It is quite common for existing medications to be investigated and repurposed for other uses. It can be very profitable for a pharmaceutical firm to expand their sales market to new customers, without the trouble of developing new drugs.

and had it worked, Trump would have taken full credit for having promoted it, just like he is trying to take all the credit for “developing” vaccines…

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ericblair  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:26:32am

OK, sure, we can save enormous amounts of CO2 by killing off cryptocurrency, but then how are we going to get mail order heroin and ransomware? Huh?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:27:36am

Looks like that RWNJ Belgian solider who went wannabe Rambo a few weeks back may have been found - dead.

A body has been found in the search for a Belgian soldier with far-right views who went missing in mid-May after taking weapons from a military base.

Prosecutors say the body discovered in a wooded area near the Dutch border is probably that of Jurgen Conings, 46.

Conings, who was on a watch-list for suspected extremists, had issued threats, including against the expert who led Belgium’s response to Covid-19.

Hundreds of officers had been deployed in the month-long manhunt.

The body was found in the Hoge Kempen National Park near the town of Dilsen-Stockemon on Sunday, and prosecutors say the initial observations suggest the man had shot himself.

bbc.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:28:14am

re: #277 ericblair

OK, sure, we can save enormous amounts of CO2 by killing off cryptocurrency, but then how are we going to get mail order heroin and ransomware? Huh?

and I am sure that is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to unsavory Bitcoin-based transactions

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:35:01am

If you’re at all into this sort of thing, don’t miss Invincible.

What makes Invincible instantly stand out is the way it takes a familiar superhero story heavily inspired by the tone of early Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Spider-Man, while adding a penchant for gore and grim darkness that we’ve grown used to in modern superhero stories that challenge the notion that superheroes are only bright and colorful. (Zack Snyder’s Justice League makes a similar recent case.) When Mark rushes in to fight the aliens, he quickly realizes that even if he can deflect laser beams because of his powers, innocent bystanders aren’t so lucky, and they get instantly eviscerated by an alien warrior trying to kill Mark. Though the show can be interpreted as falling into the same hole as other superhero shows like The Boys or Harley Quinn in how they glorify the violence they’re preaching against, Invincible mostly avoids this by staying focused on Mark’s horrified reactions in discovering that his actions have consequences, and those consequences are far bloodier and permanent than he ever thought they’d be. Sure, heroes are glamorized and the idea of a superhero team sounds great, but the moment the fight begins, the show makes it clear that violence has repercussions. Punching a villain can give them a concussion, throwing a car against them will crush and kill them, and there is no going back.

Where The Boys tears down the idea of superheroes in general, and DC’s animated Harley Quinn series makes fun of the entire concept and knocks its teeth out with a bat, Invincible embraces superheroics, but also grounds them in realism when it comes to the physical consequence of having powers. It’s not too realistic that it takes the fun out of it, but just enough to make you think twice about cheering for The Hulk punching his way through a crowd.

Amazon’s Superhero Series ‘Invincible’ Does Not Mess Around (Thrillist)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:45:39am

re: #280 Punish Domestic Terrorists

This show is just so great.

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jaunte  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:50:54am

re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and I am sure that is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to unsavory Bitcoin-based transactions

What’s a poor organlegger to do now?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:53:45am

re: #282 jaunte

What’s a poor organlegger to do now?

“art” and “antiquities” dealers

“diplomatic” and international “courier” services

“rare animal” dealers…

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ericblair  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:55:43am

re: #282 jaunte

What’s a poor organlegger to do now?

Can you imagine a world without Bitcoin…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2021 • 9:56:00am

Pretty confident there’s a ton of child
porn and human trafficking conducted by crypto.

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darthstar  Jun 20, 2021 • 10:00:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2021 • 10:01:13am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Pretty confident there’s a ton of child
porn and human trafficking conducted by crypto.

and weapons trading. big-ticket stuff, not just rifles or RPGs…


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