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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:03:19am

The War on Drugs was a war on blacks and minorities, white people using prescription drugs were not part of the campaign.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:12:58am

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:17:41am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Opioid addiction killed my friend and boss a couple of years ago. His name was Keith Weinstein. That loss killed the company resulting in a closure, jobs lost and a great shop being torn down. I will never forgive the dealers, purveyors, spokespeople, or producers of opioids.

if only there had been a fraction of the attention given to opioids as vaccinations it would have been a different story. The odd thing is opioids have to be taken regularly. Not once a decade or once a year like vaccines. But no. All the negative attention is saved for life-saving tools, and none is left for truly dangerous drugs.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:18:38am

Venn diagram would find near complete overlap.

Mind you, these people are buying fake vaccination cards, and even considering buying fake masks (whatever the heck that is) instead of getting a vaccination that is free of charge, and masks that are actually cheaper than what they’re trying to do to circumvent the mask rules.

These people aren’t just dangerous. They’re stupidly dangerous. That’s the worst combination because they don’t know/care how stupid they are and how their actions affect everyone else. They lack the self awareness.

They’re also sociopaths.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:19:12am

Another angle to opioid addiction: How many people are using these painkillers to keep going because they cannot afford more expensive treatment and surgeries for underlying chronic conditions?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:24:37am

re: #4 lawhawk

As simple as a quick Google search.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:25:43am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Another angle to opioid addiction: How many people are using these painkillers to keep going because they cannot afford more expensive treatment and surgeries for underlying chronic conditions?

And one tragic needless fatality is traded for another. So very sad.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:28:26am

re: #4 lawhawk

Venn diagram would find near complete overlap.

Mind you, these people are buying fake vaccination cards, and even considering buying fake masks (whatever the heck that is) instead of getting a vaccination that is free of charge, and masks that are actually cheaper than what they’re trying to do to circumvent the mask rules.

These people aren’t just dangerous. They’re stupidly dangerous. That’s the worst combination because they don’t know/care how stupid they are and how their actions affect everyone else. They lack the self awareness.

They’re also sociopaths.

Their anti-vax actions seem to only affect others by taking up hospital beds and staff. We’re all Delta factories, vaccinated or not.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:29:06am
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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:29:20am

From last thread -

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why was everybody allowed to leave the building unhindered? Why was anybody allowed to leave without at least having their ID checked?

I think that DOJ is looking at this. Apparently the problem is that there is so much data (in general) from the Jan insurrection that DOJ is overwhelmed analyzing it. Plus DOJ is still collecting new evidence and expects to do so for months to come.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:29:52am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:30:10am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:30:48am

I’m watching America: The Motion Picture on Netflix. I highly suggest it. It’s a way more accurate depiction of our history than anything the MAGA cult believes.

netflix.com

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:36:51am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Democrats are moving ahead with the reconciliation plan, that would greatly expand the safety net.

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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:38:05am

From the previous thread:

re: #226 JOE 🥓

Old Pulpit Pimp Cult Leader Moon was bad enough but his kids are even worse!

In the previous century, I seriously considered getting a Kahr pistol. They had an excellent reputation at the time. Do not know about these days. I decided on a Kimber instead.

From wikipedia:

Hyung Jin Moon is backed by his elder brother Kook Jin Justin Moon, who effectively serves as assistant pastor of the church and owns small arms manufacturer Kahr Arms.

en.wikipedia.org

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:39:11am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Another angle to opioid addiction: How many people are using these painkillers to keep going because they cannot afford more expensive treatment and surgeries for underlying chronic conditions?

That was the case for Jay Bennett. He played with the band Wilco at the time it was starting to really get popular. He had hurt himself years before jumping off of stages and needed surgery for his hip, but couldn’t afford it. I don’t doubt that he was fully addicted as well by the end. But anyway, he was anxious about going to a local charity show and ended up taking more than usual. (Come to think of it, similar in outline to Prince’s addiction.)

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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:42:15am

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

/

Don’t Slay That Potato

ETA - fixed link

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:43:06am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Another angle to opioid addiction: How many people are using these painkillers to keep going because they cannot afford more expensive treatment and surgeries for underlying chronic conditions?

Ex-GF has a cousin, a pain management doctor in Texas, who bought himself a 14,000-square-foot house a few years back. Would be a shame if we had an oppressive government-managed health-care system in this country that would force legal drug dealers like him to settle for a mere 11,000 square feet of living space…or even worse, practice medicine and not just prescribe horse-choking amounts of addictive pills.

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aatharuv  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:48:41am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Another angle to opioid addiction: How many people are using these painkillers to keep going because they cannot afford more expensive treatment and surgeries for underlying chronic conditions?

Another question, is how many people are using painkillers because _some_ insurance companies* are not funding physical therapy or other non pharmacological treatments that can help in some cases of chronic pain and can be cheaper.

Trying Physical Therapy First For Low Back Pain May Curb Use Of Opioids - NPR

The Insurance Company Paid For Opioids, But Not Cold Therapy

* I know that some insurance companies do pay for physical therapy that can alleviate pain, but I don’t think it’s universal.

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Teukka  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:54:34am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:54:43am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The problem is that most states are still pretty open right now with economies that are chugging along (I know, subject to change anytime).

Secondly, there’s been the ongoing thing with there being way too many available jobs than workers willing to do them (which yes, you and I both know why that is).

I might be wrong, but obviously the GOP are going to fight tooth and nail against more stimulus and I’m not sure how easy it would be to get all 50 Democratic senators on board for another round.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:55:52am

Trump’s newest mouthpiece is even more nuts than her predecessors!

The United States no longer exists — according to Trump spokesperson

I won’t link to the Twitter since Trump snuck back on that platform using this dingdong as a sock puppet account!

rawstory.com

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2021 • 10:58:27am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

And what’s more, a quick Google Images search will give you genuine lot numbers (Pfizer, Moderna) thanks to dumbasses posting pics of their filled-in vaccination cards.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:04:38am

re: #19 aatharuv

That’s what is happening with my husband. He had physical therapy until the insurance company set a limit. Three years ago last week he had congestive heart failure that triggered a major heart attack. Part of his recovery was physical therapy at the hospital. He was making progress, and then Ambetter decided nope, no more for you. After that his health deteriorated. He now has a pain management doctor, and they do limit his prescription amounts, but has to see that doctor twice a month, once online/phone and once in person for a drug test. Because if he uses weed to help with pain, they will not prescribe the very weak opiate for the next month or just drop him entirely. He could have been through with much of this had he been allowed to continue with the therapy. At 250 dollars a session out of pocket we couldn’t do it.

We have the worst healthcare system in the developed world. Yay us.

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aatharuv  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:05:08am

re: #22 JOE 🥓

Trump’s newest mouthpiece is even more nuts than her predecessors!

The United States no longer exists — according to Trump spokesperson

I won’t link to the Twitter since Trump snuck back on that platform using this dingdong as a sock puppet account!

rawstory.com

Sadly, this isn’t actually extraordinarily nutty by the standards of conservatives these days. Conservatives, especially paleo-cons have been saying, we have a country no more for quite a while— take a look at Rod Dreher’s “Benedict Option” for conservatives to completely withdraw themselves from the country which is no longer theirs (while still physically staying here).

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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:05:42am

From previous thread:

re: #240 sagehen

And the mercenary troops the British Crown brought in for backup? Turns out mercenaries don’t stay bought. We gave the Hessians 50 acres each to switch sides, and more than 20% of them did.

Very true.

After the Saratoga Campaign, the Americans captured about 6000 British and German troops.

The official surrender terms stated that they were to be exchanged for American prisoners of war and returned to England. Which would free up other British troops for the American Theater of War.

To avoid this, the Americans marched the Saratoga POWs all over the place in loosely guarded columns. (Ostensibly to prison camps in Virginia.) More than 1300 ‘escaped’ the first year alone.

en.wikipedia.org

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piratedan  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:09:29am

re: #17 ckkatz

taken to its logical conclusion here….

notting hill frutarian.mp4

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:09:30am

re: #24 A Mom Anon

That’s what is happening with my husband. He had physical therapy until the insurance company set a limit. Three years ago last week he had congestive heart failure that triggered a major heart attack. Part of his recovery was physical therapy at the hospital. He was making progress, and then Ambetter decided nope, no more for you. After that his health deteriorated. He now has a pain management doctor, and they do limit his prescription amounts, but has to see that doctor twice a month, once online/phone and once in person for a drug test. Because if he uses weed to help with pain, they will not prescribe the very weak opiate for the next month or just drop him entirely. He could have been through with much of this had he been allowed to continue with the therapy. At 250 dollars a session out of pocket we couldn’t do it.

We have the worst healthcare system in the developed world. Yay us.

My wife is in the same boat.

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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:15:55am

re: #27 piratedan

Hah!

Of course, I grew up with the opposite approach.

If I did not eat something on the first pass down the dinner table, my two brothers would. And with three teenage boys, there were never any seconds.

Plus my mother grew up within a rural Midwest farming family. Where naming any farm animal was quickly shown as a bad idea.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:18:29am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

And what’s more, a quick Google Images search will give you genuine lot numbers (Pfizer, Moderna) thanks to dumbasses posting pics of their filled-in vaccination cards.

Yep. While I was doing my 15 minute wait after getting mine they specifically said to not take a pic and put it on social media for that reason. People were taking the info and making fake cards even then, and that was back in March of this year.

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Nojay UK  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:18:32am

re: #26 ckkatz

From previous thread:
To avoid this, the Americans marched the Saratoga POWs all over the place in loosely guarded columns. (Ostensibly to prison camps in Virginia.) More than 1300 ‘escaped’ the first year alone.

Ah, the “Trail of Tears” technique. By ‘escaped’ you mean starved to death or ravaged by sickness and buried in unmarked graves, I presume?

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Teukka  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:26:01am

Just got his in my YouTube feed… Then it struck me, this is obligatory music for having in the background when reading the IPCC report…

Cursed II ☠️ Epic Dark Dramatic Sinister Horror Music By Tonal Chaos Trailer Music

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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:28:45am

re: #31 Nojay UK

I added the scare quotes because my understanding was that the pows generally just left the column. And little to no effort was made by the guards to track them down.

I am not aware of any deliberate top down ordered cruelty. Nor am I aware of deliberate withholding of food or medical treatment.

Hint -medical treatment was essentially non-existent for both pows and guards. And food was not well supplied for either group. Although an advantage of moving was that local supplies were more plentiful and locals more willing to provide them, the first time a large group moved through an area.

I admit that the history I have seen was written by the victors. I am always willing to revise my opinion upon finding new and credible information.

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Teukka  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:29:17am

re: #32 Teukka

Just got his in my YouTube feed… Then it struck me, this is obligatory music for having in the background when reading the IPCC report…

[Embedded content]

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ckkatz  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:31:23am

Hah!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:32:38am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:34:23am

re: #31 Nojay UK

Ah, the “Trail of Tears” technique. By ‘escaped’ you mean starved to death or ravaged by sickness and buried in unmarked graves, I presume?

They used locations like Fort Frederick (en.wikipedia.org) in western Maryland as the camp locations. Areas like this grew food for the Revolutionary forces and essentially were secure from a serious British campaign and probably little more than potential harassment by Native Americans from the west. If the prisoners escaped there really wasn’t anywhere for them to go.

And I it was less Trail of Tears than not caring if an individual skipped off into the brush. They might join in nearby settlement as a laborer, get lost in the woods and die, or potentially get taken in by someone. In either case they’re no longer on the roster to be exchanged.
en.wikipedia.org

Though you’d still have people dying from disease and forced marches.

And once in the camps they can effectively be put to work farming to provide for their own upkeep. Which is something I think POWs pretty much were used to do in multiple wars.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:37:28am

I don’t think death is funny, but this is a common response when people who don’t understand that their actions have consequences die of an easily preventable cause. Adults who act like toddlers are constantly dying these days when faced with the very first small threat to their survival.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:40:54am

I have never seen the term “Fucky Wucky” before and I’m ROTFLMGDAO!

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:41:27am

re: #39 JOE 🥓

I have never seen the term “Fucky Wucky” before and I’m ROTFLMGDAO!

I saw this on FARK this morning (along with an updated version that has a model of the coronavirus in the hazard triangle) and I just about fell out of my chair laughing.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:42:21am

And I never saw the term Forever Box before. I just picked up the terms Pine Condo and Dirt Nap from my Dad!

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:46:56am

re: #40 Dopamine Fish

I saw this on FARK this morning (along with an updated version that has a model of the coronavirus in the hazard triangle) and I just about fell out of my chair laughing.

That is where I picked up this random piece of Internet debris that I felt the need to show you.

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danarchy  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:47:11am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is that most states are still pretty open right now with economies that are chugging along (I know, subject to change anytime).

Secondly, there’s been the ongoing thing with there being way too many available jobs than workers willing to do them (which yes, you and I both know why that is).

I might be wrong, but obviously the GOP are going to fight tooth and nail against more stimulus and I’m not sure how easy it would be to get all 50 Democratic senators on board for another round.

Yeah, 5.3% unemployment rate, 10 million job openings, a highly effective vaccine freely available to anyone who wants it, a trillion dollar infrastructure package, a 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill in the works, 9% annualized inflation.

There is no other stimulus coming any time soon.

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:48:16am

re: #15 ckkatz

They also own these companies/trademarks: Kahr Arms, Thompson, Auto-Ordnance, Magnum Research, BFR, and Desert Eagle. Fortunately there are plenty of decent alternatives (S&W, Kimber, Tristar, Rock Island, etc) for a firearms purchase.

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Nojay UK  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:48:29am

re: #33 ckkatz

I added the scare quotes because my understanding was that the pows generally just left the column. And little to no effort was made by the guards to track them down.

We have more recent and better-documented instances of columns of prisoners being marched hither and yon by their captors — the “Bataan Death March” got its own capitalised title but the Nazis did a lot of the same sort of thing at the end of the war, emptying prison camps and concentration camps and forming up the inmates in columns on foot under guard to move away from the front lines. The death toll from such operations was atrocious of course given the levels of disease and malnutrition among the inmates.

It seems foolish of the Founding Insurrectionists to waste precious manpower to operate these roving POW columns (for over a year!) when they could have simply traded their prisoners for their own people as the British authorities had apparently offered — the idea of parole was well understood, prisoners freed in such exchanges were not to be put back into military service under terms. Strange.

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:50:55am

re: #41 JOE 🥓

And I never saw the term Forever Box before. I just picked up the terms Pine Condo and Dirt Nap from my Dad!

My favorite is referring to a cemetery as a Dead People Farm.

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teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:52:26am
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:52:38am

I wish stupid Tweets didn’t have Tweets from other stupid people placed below them in a suggested Tweets from idiots section. If a person is stupid, Twitter keeps them that way, rather than try to pull their heads out of their asses.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:55:07am
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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 11:59:44am
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danarchy  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:01:28pm

re: #50 Punish Domestic Terrorists

That picture is from 2015, impressive that he got a covid vaccine that early.

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Dangerman  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:01:41pm

re: #48 Punish Domestic Terrorists

I wish stupid Tweets didn’t have Tweets from other stupid people placed below them in a suggested Tweets from idiots section. If a person is stupid, Twitter keeps them that way, rather than try to pull their heads out of their asses.

[Embedded content]

Whoa there scooter mike
He didn’t follow the rules he agreed to when he joined

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:04:59pm
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Dopamine Fish  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:06:42pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

One of the hallmarks of the most deeply and disturbingly insane conspiracy theories is that the conspirators are supposedly so bold that they make movies or write “fictional” books that actually describe their nefarious plots, and only the enlightened are able to see it.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:08:17pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

The movies said that people would act rationally when faced with a pandemic and take reasonable precautions to keep themselves and their families safe.

Guess they were wrong, because in the real world World War Z against covid19, the GOP know nothings are actively courting getting infected with a deadly pathogen and think that clinging to their guns and ammo will save them. Right wingers are out there openly calling on the zombies to bite them and turn them into the walking dead and don’t care how many are sickened or die from this pandemic.

In reality, World War Z accurately figured on governments being slow to respond and not directing the kinds of resources they should have at a problem, and not coordinating their efforts until it was very late in the game.

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:39:28pm

re: #52 Dangerman

Whoa there scooter mike
He didn’t follow the rules he agreed to when he joined

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Punish Domestic Terrorists  Aug 9, 2021 • 12:41:22pm

re: #55 lawhawk

The movies said that people would act rationally when faced with a pandemic and take reasonable precautions to keep themselves and their families safe.

Guess they were wrong, because in the real world World War Z against covid19, the GOP know nothings are actively courting getting infected with a deadly pathogen and think that clinging to their guns and ammo will save them. Right wingers are out there openly calling on the zombies to bite them and turn them into the walking dead and don’t care how many are sickened or die from this pandemic.

In reality, World War Z accurately figured on governments being slow to respond and not directing the kinds of resources they should have at a problem, and not coordinating their efforts until it was very late in the game.

16 months after having Covid, my friend is still a mess, and these suicidal morons want to get as sick as possible from it despite the availability of vaccines. If the vaccine was $1,000, I’d understand some people having to face Covid, but it’s free and convenient.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2021 • 1:26:46pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

This is why I hate it when people cite movies as evidence.


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