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1 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 7, 2010 2:19:40pm

Ross is perfectly capable of reasoning within both frameworks. He doesn't have to sort out which one is "true". Some people don't worry much about truth. Science, to them, is a game with rules. So is religion. Ross plays one game by its set of rules, and the other game by its other set of rules.

He's not insane, because what he's doing works for him and anybody who consistently reaps an advantage from his behavior can only be crazy as in `crazy like a fox'.

What's crazy is listening to him and believing that he sincerely believes any of what he says.

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Nov 7, 2010 4:13:29pm

This is an excellent post Free. Nailed it again.

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Nov 7, 2010 4:14:44pm

re: #1 lostlakehiker

Nonsense. The essence of the scientific method is eliminating contradiction. The whole framework hinges on consistency.

This is a flaw at the most fundamental (pun intended) level.

4 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 7, 2010 4:45:15pm

Dr Ross might be complex enough to actually believe both his paradigms. Millions of us, as children, went to math class in the morning and asserted that 1+1+1=3. In the afternoon we went to catechism class, and fervently accepted that 1+1+1 is 1, in special circumstances. We don't seem mad as adults, simply because we don't think about it much any more.

5 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 7, 2010 6:29:46pm

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Nonsense. The essence of the scientific method is eliminating contradiction. The whole framework hinges on consistency.

This is a flaw at the most fundamental (pun intended) level.

But what if he simply doesn't care that his two games have contradictory rules? He just plays each, makes a living, gets some fame and attention, and he's happy?

I wouldn't want to live that kind of life. I don't. But one must entertain the suspicion that he does.

6 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 7, 2010 6:54:53pm

Doublethink, it's not just for Winston Smith anymore.

7 calochortus  Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:18:21am

I knew someone just like this in grad school. Her most memorable line was at the end of her otherwise unexceptional seminar presentation on her thesis (on the deposition of the J sandstone in Colorado): "But doesn't it just look like a flood?" No. It didn't. She went off to work at the Creation Research Institute. I Googled her a few months back and she has gotten a PhD., apparently a more moderate religious view, and a life. She managed the same schizophrenic balancing act as Dr. Ross for a while, but evidently science won in the end.

8 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:57:44am

re: #7 calochortus

I knew someone just like this in grad school. Her most memorable line was at the end of her otherwise unexceptional seminar presentation on her thesis (on the deposition of the J sandstone in Colorado): "But doesn't it just look like a flood?" No. It didn't. She went off to work at the Creation Research Institute. I Googled her a few months back and she has gotten a PhD., apparently a more moderate religious view, and a life. She managed the same schizophrenic balancing act as Dr. Ross for a while, but evidently science won in the end.

You are a geologist or a biologist IIRC?

9 calochortus  Mon, Nov 8, 2010 10:02:50am

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

I have a M.S. in geology, but I never used it professionally, having acquired said degree just before the price of oil dropped dramatically in the 80's. The west was littered with highly qualified, experienced and unemployed geologists...

10 Lidane  Mon, Nov 8, 2010 6:55:32pm

I'm still trying to reconcile the idea of anyone who's a YEC and a Ph.D. in any kind of science. The cognitive dissonance required to fit both worldviews in one place would give me a permanent migraine.


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