Unable to get equal time on the new Cosmos creationist apparently decided to create their own.
Behold the truth of creation. Suck it, Carl Sagan and Neil DeGress Tyson!
Unable to get equal time on the new Cosmos creationist apparently decided to create their own.
Behold the truth of creation. Suck it, Carl Sagan and Neil DeGress Tyson!
RoseAnn Salanitri, writes,
As a Creationist I tend to watch and read more secular material than most might expect.
Hmm… congratulations, Creationists usually don’t read things written by people who disagree with them. Maybe I spoke too soon, most creationists just repeat verbatim what came out of Kent Hovind’s mouth, before you know, he went to jail. But back to what you were saying,
There is a good reason for this. Usually the secular material provides me with the best arguments against Evolution imaginable - and on many occasions, the material provides me with a good laugh as well. While watching a few minutes of the History Channel’s program entitled The Big History of Everything, a few interesting questions shot through my mind along with a few chuckles.
However, I have a feeling that we’re about to be laughing at you pretty soon, RoseAnn Salanitri, when you try to refute this pro science show.
Now we’re going to skip much of what she wrote, to get to the main point of her commentary. She dismisses the idea that fishes could have evolved into amphibians and than Reptiles by basically arguing that things like eggs couldn’t have been designed by the animals themselves.
Perhaps the most silly and insulting explanation offered is that these creatures “figured out” how to produce eggs. Really? So the program would have you believe that these creatures that were significantly lower than us on the Evolutionist’s evolutionary chain were able to figure out how to change their entire reproductive system and how to produce eggs, as well as how to develop lungs. Do you know of any of us more highly evolved humans that have figured out how we can biologically produce an egg? Perhaps someone should educate these educators on how complex an egg really is.
I may not have seen this History Channel program, but animals don’t figure out how to change any aspect of their bodies. Eggs evolved through a gradual process where each generation of animals produced a slightly better version that did a better job of protecting their offspring. It was done through genetic mutation and natural selection. It wasn’t a conscious choice by any of the animals as to how to build their eggs, and they weren’t redesign with each generation. Notice how the word “Invented” is in quotes in this paper on egg evolution. Unless the History Channel’s “Big History of Everything” got evolution seriously wrong, it wasn’t actually saying what you think it was saying.
But more importantly, I would like to ask: if these primitive life forms could figure out how to lay eggs, why can’t Eskimos figure out how to grow fur?
One, that’s not how evolution works. Two, Eskimos and all other human beings have the ability to make clothing, so they can live in freezing conditions and not freeze to death without fur. Three, if some Eskimo in the ancient past somehow, actually did figure out a way that he/she could grow fur on his/her body and they showed the other Eskimos, don’t you think they’d be a little terrified to see fur sprout on him/her?
After all, the theory of Evolution would have us believe that phyla evolve through mutation in order to adapt to their changing environment. They use the argument of survival of the fittest to support their argument. Although the fittest do survive in challenging environments, there isn’t any data to support that these “fittest” evolve into a new kind of phyla.
Yes, because people who live in cold climates don’t resemble Chewbacca with white fur? Also there you go with that nebulous creationist concept of “Kinds” again. Also like I said earlier, mutation and natural selection doesn’t imply that animals can choose to change their body plans. Animals can’t choose to change form. No scientist since Lamarck has argued for anything even remotely resembling that, and even he didn’t exactly argue for that precisely.
Maybe “Conservative News and Views” should change its name to “Scientifically Illiterate Wingnut News and Views”
The Founder of Wikipedia just power owned some believers in medical pseudoscience quackery. A ton of them in fact. They demanded, much like creationists, that their ideas be treated “fairly” rather than totally discredit Jimmy Wales, and Wikipedia. Of course given the fact that their claims are baseless, there’s no way they could have done that. Instead “holistic healing” supporters, demanded that Wikipedia lower its standards and allow them to cite unreliable sources and treat them as fact. Again this is very similar to what creationists do, demanding equal time.
Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales Responds to change.org Petition Asking That “Holistic Approaches to Healing” Be Taken Seriously
You mean people don’t have to do whatever a change.org petition tells them to do?
People in the “holistic healing” community don’t like how they’re being written about on Wikipedia, so they started a change.org petition asking that Wikipedia put policies in place for their nonsense to be taken just as seriously as actual science. Jimmy Wales responded and forever won our respect.
If you can get through this article on evolution and the origins of time and space without laughing you can have a cookie:
The discovery of gravitational waves — touted as evidence of the Big Bang theory of the universe’s origin — serves as powerful evidence that the world was created by an intelligent designer rather than random impersonal forces, according to Southern Baptist scientists.
The Big Bang theory argues that the universe was in an extremely hot and dense state approximately 13 billion years ago and began expanding rapidly. The expansion and subsequent cooling produced matter as we know it.
If ‘Green Eggs and Ham’ is your idea of profound, then I suppose this explanation works as science…
The new discovery has implications for the debate between Christians who believe the universe is billions of years old and Christians who believe it is thousands of years old.
The Baptist Faith and Message of the Southern Baptist Convention does not specify whether the universe is thousands or billions of years old, stating only that God is the creator and the humans are “the special creation of God, made in His own image.”
We were talking about science, were we not? Onwards, scientific Christian soldier:
Faculty members of the six Southern Baptist seminaries hold to both old and young earth creationism. There is widespread agreement, however, that Darwinian evolution is unscriptural.
Obviously, because if the bible had covered evolution with a scientifically sound process, we would call it ‘Abrahamian Evolution’ or ‘Estherian Evolution’. Unfortunately, god had not managed to evolve human’s brains to the capacity of comprehension needed to divine ‘natural selection’ until Darwin, whom the creationists believe was sent by satan to ruin their bible party.
Not to mention, evolution is not a theory. Evolution has been observed, and proven, therefore it is fact. The theory is ‘The origin of the species through survival of the fittest’ or as most of us call it ‘natural selection’.
Let us continue:
“The recent purported detection of gravitational waves serves as further confirmation of Einstein’s theory of general relativity and of the nature of the Big Bang itself,” Bruce Gordon, associate professor of the history and philosophy of science at Houston Baptist University, told Baptist Press in an email interview.
Bruce Gordon? “Holy priceless collection of Etruscan snoods, Batman!”
“If corroborated by the scientific community, this is a hugely important discovery, and there will probably be some … Nobel Prizes associated with it,” said Gordon
Nobel prizes!!?!?!!! “Holy wishful thinking, Batman!”
So whom is Mr. Bruce Gordon?
who also is a senior fellow with the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based think tank that plays a leading role in the Intelligent Design movement
Ohhhh right that!
Gordon is a known proponent of intelligent design and Fellow of the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design (ISCID). He was the managing editor of the moribund Access Research Network journal Origin and Design, as of its last issue (20:1) and an associate editor of the likewise moribund ISCID journal.
back to the future nobel prize winning creationists:
Physicist Alan Guth proposed inflation in 1980 in an attempt to explain the universe’s fine tuning and uniformity without reference to a supernatural creator. If all matter was crunched together before the Big Bang, Guth said, its initial proximity should result in some degree of uniformity as it expands, explaining the consistency of scientific laws without a creator.
But Gordon said cosmic inflation requires so much fine-tuning itself that the theory unwittingly increases the likelihood of the universe’s creation by an intelligent designer.
“The energy of the inflationary field has to be shut off with tremendous precision in order for a universe like ours to exist, with inflationary models requiring a shut-off energy precision of at least one part in one hundred thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion and perhaps as much as one part on one hundred billion trillion googol,” he said.
The notion of a “multiverse” is often coupled to the inflationary mechanism, Gordon said, “with the idea that, if inflation produces enough universes, such improbabilities don’t matter. … [T]he BICEP2 results don’t speak to the issue of a multiverse which, even if it existed by such means, would be the result of a finely tuned universe generator.
“In short, it’s intelligent design no matter which way you turn, and theophobic scientific materialists, once they get past knee-jerk denials, will have to come to terms with this fact.”
Sorry, no, substituting a cause just because of a lack of correlation of the scientific theories on expansion, is simply anterior to any ‘scientifically sound process’. It is more ‘god of the gaps’ nonsense: “If we cannot explain expansion, and have competing theories on expansion, then the unexplained must be god”
That. Is. Simply. Not. Science.
“If those who believe the universe is only thousands of years old argue that God created it with the appearance of age, the new discovery poses no problem for them, he said. God could have created earth with light from distant stars already present even though it hadn’t had time to travel from those stars, for example. But recent science, like the gravitational wave discovery, makes it difficult to argue that the universe is demonstrably young, according to Gordon, who believes God created the universe billions of years ago, but did not bring about life through Darwinian evolution.”
Oh good gosh, now he wants his cake and to eat it too.
“This announcement undoubtedly will be welcomed as the long-sought proof of cosmic inflation so necessary to the big bang model,” an AIG online commentary said. “Biblical creationists know from Scripture that the universe did not begin in a big bang billions of years ago. For instance, from God’s Word we understand that the world is far younger than this. Furthermore, we know from Genesis 1 that God made the earth before He made the stars, but the big bang requires that many stars existed for billions of years before the earth did.”
Proof? it is an assertion. A bad assertion based on a lack of assumptions. It does not even rise to the level of including fair assumptions. It is a substitution of a comfortable idea in the place of logical assumption.
The predictions supposedly confirmed by the new discovery are “model-dependent,” AIG noted. “If the model changes, then the predictions change. Inflation is just one of many free parameters that cosmologists have at their disposal within the big bang model, so they can alter these parameters at will to get the intended result…. Other mechanisms could mimic the signal being claimed today. So, even if the data are confirmed, there may be some other physical mechanism at play rather than cosmic inflation.”
If you contradict yourself in the article you are attempting to write - will god smite you?
Bill Nettles, professor of physics at Union University in Jackson, Tenn., said that regardless of a believer’s position on the age of the universe, the recent discovery of gravitational waves is evidence that humans were created in God’s image.
“That we can develop models (from creative minds) and use incredible discipline to imagine what previous conditions must have existed to produce the phenomena which we now see and to extract and extrapolate the mathematics which predict yet unseen physical phenomena that ‘fingerprint’ the beginning moments of creation is something no sub-human species has even approached. We occupy a unique position in creation,” Nettles said in an email interview with BP.
Got that? Let me repeat it because surely it is a Nobel prize quality claim:
said that regardless of a believer’s position on the age of the universe, the recent discovery of gravitational waves is evidence that humans were created in God’s image.
Do I even need to dissect that?
Revelations about the universe’s complexity should reassure believers of God’s providential care, Nettles said.
Psalms 19 and 136 use “the majesty of the physical creation” to “introduce the covenant-keeping Yahweh,” he said. “It says that a God powerful enough to design, create and maintain this huge universe is powerful enough to preserve His covenant people.”
All bow to the future of Yahwehian Grand Unifying theory on Expansion of the Multiverse, and Evolution through simfarming.
Mr. Gordon has a starring role in ‘Creationism’s Trojan Horse - Intelligent Design’
Well worth reading…
Such wingnut fundy stupidity, you either are a young earth creationist, and reject science or you hate America. Never mind all the atheists who are patriotic and believe in America’s ideals, heck many of them come closer to the ideal American than many American Christians, Especially if we’re talking about theocratic fascists like Bryan Fischer, who don’t accept the fact that the first amendment says what it says. Than of course there are all the rational Christians out there that accept evolution, but still love American and its ideals of individual liberty. Also don’t forget people of other faiths. Michael Peroutka on the other had would beg to differ.
“What I am saying is that the promotion of evolution is an act of disloyalty to America,” he explains. “What I’m saying is that there is no way you could promote or believe in evolution and sing ‘God Bless America’ during the 7th inning stretch.”
“All men are created equal, they are not evolved equal, get it?” he adds. “So evolution is anti-American.”
I also want to thank Palmerskiss for alerting me to this in a comment on my previous post
Amanda Marcotte points out just how scary Neil Degrasse Tyson is becoming to creationists. I’m hoping Tyson scares the climate change deniers next.
The wingnut panic over the show Cosmos is incredibly amusing to me. It’s understandable, because Neil deGrasse Tyson is really good at being clear and concise about science and he eviscerates right wing attempts to muddy the waters with precision. I particularly liked this quote from an interview on Inquiring Minds: “I claim that all those who think they can cherry-pick science simply don’t understand how science works,” because science, unlike theology or musical taste, isn’t a matter of just taking what you like and leaving the rest behind. What is interesting—and threatening—about Cosmos is it asserts interconnectedness of science. Evolution and the “big bang” theory are inseparable, and knowing how old and vast the universe is makes it much, much easier to understand how evolution works.
I agree with Jason Shankel, creationists should watch the second episode of Cosmos, only in the hopes that it will get them to see how wrong they are. Everyone else should also watch it through as well. There really isn’t enough genuine eductional television anymore in my opinion and the Cosmos reboot with Neil Degrasse Tyson, is not only very informative, so far its extremely entertaining a visually stunning.
In the second episode of Cosmos, Neil DeGrasse Tyson tackles the greatest story science has ever told: the story of life.
Tyson begins with the evolution of dogs from wolves via artificial selection, or if you prefer, the domestication of humans by dogs. Wolves that were friendlier, tamer and more loyal to humans were selectively bred to be our companions. As we settled into agricultural communities in the break between ice ages, dogs became the partners of our labors, consuming and burying our trash, defending our territory and helping us hunt.
“Artificial selection turned the wolf into the shepherd,” Tyson tells us before asking the question that has inspired battles in courtrooms and classrooms since Darwin first posed it in 1859: “If artificial selection can accomplish that much in just a few thousand years, what can natural selection accomplish given billions of years?”
…it was Allen’s personal views on same-sex marriage that emerged following a question from plaintiffs’ attorney Ken Mogill, reported the Detroit Free Press.
“Is it accurate that you believe the consequence of engaging in homosexual acts is a separation from God and eternal damnation?” Mogill asked the state’s expert, then added, “in other words, they’re going to hell.”
“Without repentance, yes,” answered Allen.
so who is Douglas Allen? well - for one thing - he is a creationist - here is his links page from his webpage @ Simon Fraser University
Institute for Creation Reseach pro
National Center for Science Education con
Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences balanced
Yes - that is creationism - where intelligence goes to die…..
more on Allen - thenewcivilrightsmovement.com
Ken Ham, the founder of the Creation Museum who last month debated TV personality Bill Nye “The Science Guy” pitting his Biblical literalism against Darwinian evolution, says the highly publicized showdown has been like manna from heaven for a foundering $73 million Noah’s Ark theme park.
“It was a challenging time, one that on a human level required a miracle to overcome,” Ham, who heads the Answers in Genesis ministry, said in a statement of the near collapse of funding for the long-delayed Ark Encounter park. “And God in His providence supplied our needs.”
Nye is widely viewed as having won that debate, but Ham may have gotten the last word: on Thursday he announced that his Creation Museum’s proposed Noah’s Ark theme park, including a 510-foot replica of the Biblical vessel, had against all odds secured a last-minute $62 million municipal bond offering.
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This is the exciting part.
This is like the Supremes...
See the way it builds up?