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1 gehazi  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:43:16am

Eh, although most of the gopers are likely in it just to stick it to O, I'd prefer that Congress did hold the executive branch accountable, particularly when it comes to military interventionism.

And regardless of motivation, I think it's a bit far fetched to equate demanding that the O administration follow the law with supporting a terrorist regime. One can desire that Ghaddafi be removed from power but only want it done legally.

2 shutdown  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:53:06am

The Republicans may be acting (much as the Democrats would in a similar situation) like partisan buttwipes, but I am at this time not certain that what comes after Gaddafi is any better, or more democratic, than what comes after Gaddafi.

3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 11:12:15am

re: #1 gehazi

You're kidding yourself if you think this has anything to do with the checks and balances of government. The GOP would rather rebuke Obama than kill Q'Daffy. It's just that simple.

4 BishopX  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 11:21:53am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

That is the check...

5 gehazi  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 11:22:57am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

That's...what I said. Congress should hold the President accountable, but I'm under no pretense that the gopers involved give a rip about principle.

But I'm perfectly capable of holding a nuanced view of the matter that is disgusted by GOP partisan brinkmanship while also somewhat pleased that (despite stupid motivations) Congress is fulfilling their constitutional duties.

After all, GOP bickering about War Powers violations means they have less ground to defend future GOP presidents that (potentially) violate the same laws.

6 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 11:51:44am

re: #1 gehazi

Eh, although most of the gopers are likely in it just to stick it to O, I'd prefer that Congress did hold the executive branch accountable, particularly when it comes to military interventionism.

Except that Congress has zero credibility in that regard, considering the last time they actually used their Constitutionally defined war powers was WW2. Every military engagement after that? Not so much.

7 gehazi  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 12:12:31pm

re: #6 Lidane

Well the War Powers Resolution dates long after WW2, but even that has been basically ignored by Congress, or when it has been taken up by them, ignored by various Presidents.

I have zero love for the GOP, but I actually do care about checks and balances in US government (and unlike them, not only when it suits me). I think it was right to go into Libya, but it isn't right (nor legal) to remain there without Congressional authorization.

I didn't like it when Bush ignored Congress when it came to military adventures, and I will not like it if Obama does likewise.

All that said: the details of whether or not the current administration has *actually* violated any part of the War Power Resolution seem entirely unclear. That won't stop the GOP from making political hay over the subject, and I will stand by anyone who condemns them for such shenanigans. It doesn't mean I'm not still interested in the truth of the matter.

8 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 1:10:04pm

When Libya breaks up into tribalism similar to Somalia and the only government is in tiny local areas and consists solely of those with the biggest and best armed gang of thugs in a basically lawless country?

What then? I guess we can declare 'Victory' and go about our business as they sink into anarchy?

WOOHOO! Hey at least we will have gotten rid of a dictatorship, right?

9 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 2:20:33pm

re: #8 ausador

The tribalism angle is way the hell overstated. The nation has existed more or less cohesively for over a thousand years, albeit alot of time under a larger empire as an autonomous province. In addition, Libya is much more developed than Somalia is/ever was.

10 Buck  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:31:52pm

re: #7 gehazi

I didn't like it when Bush ignored Congress when it came to military adventures, and I will not like it if Obama does likewise.

Actually GWB sought and received Authorization for Use of Military Force for both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Presidents have submitted 118 reports to Congress as a result of the War Powers Act.

It is just a fact.

11 Buck  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:39:24pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

You're kidding yourself if you think this has anything to do with the checks and balances of government. The GOP would rather rebuke Obama than kill Q'Daffy. It's just that simple.

You can put it that way, but it would be inaccurate. If Obama went in front of Congress and didn't get the "authorization of the use of military force" then you would be right. However in this case Obama doesn't feel he needs to do that. So we don't know what congress feels about "siding with Q'Daffy".

Should Obama comply with the "War Powers Resolution"? Does he have to? I would think that both Dems and Republicans would want to know the final answer.

12 laZardo  Thu, Jun 16, 2011 3:49:30am
Thankfully Reagan didn't live to see his party side with the terrorist regime in Libya.

Neither did Doc Brown.

Sorta.


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