Pathetic: Herman Cain says: Jon Stewart Attacked Me 'Because I'm Black'

Pathetic: Herman Cain says: Jon Stewart Attacked Me ‘Because I’m Black’

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Jon Stewart picked up on the story, imitating Cain and joking that if Cain was president he would require everything to be shorter: “Treaties will have to fit on the back of a cereal box … The State of the Union Address will be delivered in the form of a fortune cookie.” You can watch the segment here. (Chris Wallace later replayed the segment during Stewart’s appearance on Fox News Sunday.)

Speaking Wednesday at the Iowa Falls Fire Department, Herman Cain lashed out at Jon Stewart, claiming that Stewart was only targeting him “because I’m black”

I don’t want to cast uninformed judgments at Mr Cain’s public relations strategy but isn’t it a little early to use the “Because I’m Black” thing and on such a low value target? I guess things work differently in the pizza business.

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100 comments

elizajane Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:30:01am

But it's the Democrats who always play the race card! I mean, remember all those times when Obama has said, "They're just after me because I'm black"?
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andres Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:36:59am

Sooo, does that make Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck black?

/ Double standards and MBF at work.

Randy W. Weeks Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:38:08am

Herm, old buddy, I'm pretty sure Jon attacked you because you're a fucking idiot.

celticdragon Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:09:22am

I don't want to cast uninformed judgments at Mr Cain's public relations strategy but isn't it a little early to use the "Because I'm Black" thing and on such a low value target?

The Tea idiots will eat it up, since they are using the race card on the left and it innoculates them from charges of racism. Also, Stewart is not such a low value target. In the calculus of cultural resentment against liberal educated elites, he ranks pretty high on the "Enemies of Real Red Blooded 'Mericans" list.

zora Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:00:59am

hermain "black people need to get off the democratic plantation, what tea pary racism?" cain thinks jon stewart picks on him for being black. i hope stewart does additional segment on cain's bigotry and ignorance of government and foriegn policy. maybe inform him that the right of return has nothing to do with errors in your pizza order.

wrenchwench Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:19:43am

I used to babysit a kid who would wail, "You just hate me because I'm black!" to his playmates. He was 5. I hope he grew out of it, unlike Mr. Cain.

nines09 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:11:09am

What a tool. Next up, "I lost because I'm black."

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:16:09am

Really, Herman? Maybe it was because you came across as an incompetent idiot.Love it though, Mr. Cain's allies have been dismissing or miminizing claims of racism for years but I bet they jump all over this because a liberal criticized a conservative.

Virginia Plain Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:26:45am

He's just begging for a puppet on The Daily Show.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:38:08am

Did any of you hear the Amos and Andy voice that Stewart did?

I understand that he does voices all the time, but do you really think that a black man in America has no right to be offended by that?

You really feel like you can decide for him when someone uses that voice mocking him how he should feel about it?

Really?

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:43:31am

I remember the (correct) outrage when Eric Bolling used a similar tone to mock Obama.

zora Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:56:54am

re: #10 Buck

i didn't know foghorn leghorn was black.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:05:30am

It is not foghorn leghorn, it is Amos and Andy.

Cain doesn't talk like foghorn leghorn, and there is zero association with him and that cartoon character.

Stewart, when confronted with the "amos and andy" connection, simply says it is a voice he does... like the many other voices he does.

I would guess that the people here let him duck the responsibility simply because he is a comedian. And that is not the issue I am talking about.

Does Cain have a right to be offended by being mocked in that voice? Knowing the history of "Amos and Andy"?

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:07:40am

And PublicityStunted, I address that question directly to you (with your downding) if you can be offended by a word... how can you say that Cain can't be offended by being mocked in a way that brings up a racist history?

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:17:16am

OK, so to anyone who downdinged my #11 here... I ask some questions.

All I am pointing out is that he (Cain) is not offended by simply being criticized. He might be offended by the characterization of being mocked as simply an "Amos and Andy", instead of the educated, and successful business man that he is.

By missing that you are acting no different that the LGF of old that used what you think was prejudicial and racist wording against Muslims. Only now the target is Republicans, and in this case an African American Republican.

andres Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:39:20am

I'll give you this, Buck: I haven't seen the segment in particular (haven't seen all week long of DS episodes, but that's another matter). So I can't comment in particular about the voice Jon used while imitating Cain.

Stewart does have a very limited range of voices he can do, and the target can only be inferred by context. Sometimes he hangs a lampshade on the fact that X or Y character/person came out with his "old jewish grandma" voice.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:53:25am

re: #16 andres

Sometimes he hangs a lampshade on the fact that X or Y character/person came out with his "old jewish grandma" voice.

OK, but if he did that while mocking.... Lieberman? Do you think that he has? Even Weiner, who justly deserved to be mocked, would not be mocked in a "jewish voice".

There is a difference, and in my opinion Cain has a right to be offended.

AND has a right to see this as racist. There is a history to that voice, and when used to mock an African American, it is not by accident.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:26:02pm

Better question.... Would you stand by while Stewart, or anyone else does that voice for Obama?

You can hear the voice for yourself here:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And FogHorn Leghorn stutters, Amos and Andy are played as uneducated, to mean they actually don't know how to read.

Desert Fox Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:34:18pm

re: #18 Buck

Hmmm. It's gotten kind of quiet in here all of a sudden.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:36:15pm

re: #19 Desert Fox

Hmmm. It's gotten kind of quiet in here all of a sudden.

Ya, hard to oppose a man's right to feel offended by an obvious racially motivated mocking.

Interesting Times Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:47:11pm

re: #16 andres

Stewart does have a very limited range of voices he can do, and the target can only be inferred by context.

It sounded to me, when I originally watched the segment, like Stewart was trying to imitate the tone and delivery Cain used himself in the "Bills should be 3 pages" video clip.

And it's rather rich for Cain to make this kind of complaint, given his own bigotry against gays and Muslims.

Sionainn Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:52:10pm

Okay, Buck, I listened again to the Stewart clip, the Cain clip, and an Amos and Andy clip. I don't hear Stewart doing an "Amos and Andy" voice. Take a look again at the clips. Stewart enunciated words clearly, didn't drop any ending consonants, used proper grammar, and the only thing that might have made Cain appear "uneducated" was when he said, "I do not like to read."

Sionainn Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:52:51pm

re: #21 publicityStunted

It sounded to me, when I originally watched the segment, like Stewart was trying to imitate the tone and delivery Cain used himself in the "Bills should be 3 pages" video clip.

Having just listened to the clips back to back, that's what I heard, too.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:19:27pm

re: #21 publicityStunted

It sounded to me, when I originally watched the segment, like Stewart was trying to imitate the tone and delivery Cain used himself in the "Bills should be 3 pages" video clip.

Well, you can rationalize anything can't you. You ignore when Stewart was asked if it was Amos and Andy, his reply was: "Why don't you show -- do you want to show me doing the voices for all the other people that we do? You want to see my New York voice? My Chinese guy voice?"

He doesn't say that it was meant to be an imitation of Cain...

And in the Cain clip, he is clearly making a joke and getting laughs. To think he was serious about the three pages is to believe he is stupid/ignorant. And the man is not stupid. You might think he is, and he did write a book entitled "They Think You're Stupid", but he was talking about democratic politicians, not far left comedians.

BUT, you miss the point. When people use words that you are offended by, even if they do proclaim their innocence, you retain the right to be offended. Why do you think Cain should be treated any different? He has spent his whole life learning when people are being racist towards him. He explains that very well.

-----------------------------
Herman Cain graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics
He received a Master of Science degree in computer science from Purdue University in 1971
He worked full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy.
He has authored four books.

Not stupid.

Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:27:17pm

re: #21 publicityStunted

It sounded to me, when I originally watched the segment, like Stewart was trying to imitate the tone and delivery Cain used himself in the "Bills should be 3 pages" video clip.

And it's rather rich for Cain to make this kind of complaint, given his own bigotry against gays and Muslims.

I agree -- Stewart was imitating Cain's voice. Not doing a "black" voice. Just like he imitates other people's voices.

And it's exactly because of Cain's own history of anti-Muslim bigotry that you're seeing right wingers like Buck and Desert Fox unite to defend Cain's cheesy playing of the race card. They seem to believe it somehow exonerates the entire right wing; I don't even try to follow the logic any more.

Artist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:33:37pm

Oh hey it's Buck again. I saw this coming from miles away as soon as I saw this page.

leftynyc Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:35:28pm

re: #17 Buck

OK, but if he did that while mocking... Lieberman? Do you think that he has? Even Weiner, who justly deserved to be mocked, would not be mocked in a "jewish voice".

There is a difference, and in my opinion Cain has a right to be offended.

AND has a right to see this as racist. There is a history to that voice, and when used to mock an African American, it is not by accident.

I'm guessing you've never heard him "do" Lieberman or you wouldn't have said that. I wouldn't know from Amos and Andy voices so I can't say but Jon and I are around the same age and I didn't see racism. Cain if free to feel any way he likes. That doesn't mean I'm going to consider Stewart a bigot.

Sionainn Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:36:18pm

Buck, listen to all the clips, back to back, including the Amos and Andy one that I posted. It is clear that Stewart is not using an Amos and Andy voice, nor he is using a stereotypical "black" voice.

No one said that Cain is stupid. Rather, he made a stupid remark about not signing any bills that were over three pages long and Stewart mocked that, rightly so.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:37:30pm

re: #1 elizajane

But it's the Democrats who always play the race card! I mean, remember all those times when Obama has said, "They're just after me because I'm black"?
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But Jimmy Carter DID say they were just after Obama because he was black...

This is going to get crazy.

"Oh yeah? You play the race card? I play the triple dog-dare race card! NO BACKSIES!!!"

leftynyc Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:38:52pm

That's Carter's problem. Unlike Cain, Pres Obama has never used the race card that I'm aware of.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:45:03pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

I used to babysit a kid who would wail, "You just hate me because I'm black!" to his playmates. He was 5. I hope he grew out of it, unlike Mr. Cain.

I've had some students who try that, but by the time they're in high school, they're mostly just screwing with you. It's a process. Kids hear their parents talk about racism, and they can tell it's when someone isn't nice to you because you're (insert here). It takes a while to figure out exactly how it works.

I once had a conversation with several of my eighth grade boys, in which I told them that more mature behavior was expected of young men, 'like yourselves'.

"You mean black?" said one kid. His cousin elbowed him and said, "No, she's not being a racist. You just say that when they're being a racist."

(I love eighth graders. No filters. Some common sense, but no filters.)

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:46:38pm

re: #18 Buck

Better question... Would you stand by while Stewart, or anyone else does that voice for Obama?

You can hear the voice for yourself here:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And FogHorn Leghorn stutters, Amos and Andy are played as uneducated, to mean they actually don't know how to read.

I'll have to listen to it before giving you a serious answer.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:49:45pm

re: #30 leftynyc

That's Carter's problem. Unlike Cain, Pres Obama has never used the race card that I'm aware of.

Obama would have every right to complain about the racist crap that's been thrown his way, but he knows better than to try. It would only make things worse, and he'd look like a whiner.

Locker Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:55:11pm

Buck is our own mini-me version of Rush Limbaugh. It doesn't matter what was said, what reality is or what other perspectives may exist. Buck knows it all, everyone just won't listen to him and his rational and logical twisting of every single item into his own little piece of propaganda.

I mean what kind of idiot claims a "cultural reference" from a show that went off the air 51 years ago. I'm sure all the 20 and 30 something Stewart Audience members sit around and discuss how outrageous it is that last night John Stewart burned John Boehner by doing a Howdy Doody voice (also off the air in 1960).

moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:17:20pm

I'm black and wasn't offended. John does ethnic and regional accent voices all of the time. I had no problem with it. This is all magical balance fairy bullshit. Herman Cain is full of shit. He's playing his part well, in trying to inoculate the right from charges of racism against President Obama by crying about racism and how he unlike Obama is a "real black man". And how he unlike most other black people don't live on the Democratic "plantation". Fuck him and I hope he enjoys his 30 pieces of silver. I guess whining and playing the race card IOKIYAR.

HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:07:25pm

re: #35 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm black and wasn't offended. John does ethnic and regional accent voices all of the time. I had no problem with it. This is all magical balance fairy bullshit. Herman Cain is full of shit. He's playing his part well, in trying to inoculate the right from charges of racism against President Obama by crying about racism and how he unlike Obama is a "real black man". And how he unlike most other black people don't live on the Democratic "plantation". Fuck him and I hope he enjoys his 30 pieces of silver. I guess whining and playing the race card IOKIYAR.

Wait Cain claimed he was a "real black man" unlike Obama. Funny, because I know Alan Keyes pulled the same shitty stunt.

shutdown Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:49:31pm

It's a shame that SNL is on summer hiatus. I would like to see a Digital Short remake of "Like a Boss" to "Because I'm Black". Samberg, do you read this blog? DO IT!

Youtube Video

Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:14:45pm

Sigh...Jon Stewart didn't attack you because of your race Mr. Cain, he made jokes at your expense because it was sooo damn easy!

dragonfire1981 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:51:10pm

Herman Cain - the only black guy left in the GOP

FreedomMoon Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:52:00pm

Seriously Cain? Three pages? I think you'd have about the same amount of success trying to run Windows 7 on an IBM 5150 PC than having a functional three paged bill in 2011. And he expects to gain a legitimate following? I'm pretty sure (pretty sure, not entirely) not even Palin would dare to say such an ignorant statement.

b_sharp Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:55:23pm

re: #40 tacuba14

Seriously Cain? Three pages? I think you'd have about the same amount of success trying to run Windows 7 on an IBM 5150 PC than having a functional three paged bill in 2011. And he expects to gain a legitimate following? I'm pretty sure (pretty sure, not entirely) not even Palin would dare to say such an ignorant statement.

Palin wouldn't understand the statement or your point.

JamesWI Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:55:47pm

Do you need to know whether a statement is racist or not? Then why don't you try:

Buck's World-Famous Racism Detector™!!!!!

Simply answer the following questions:

Is the person who made the statement a conservative/Republican? If so, relax. The statement is definitely not racist. We're all just not understanding the point, or we're missing out on a great joke.

Is the person who made the statement a liberal/Democrat? If so, then get out the pitchforks. The person in question clearly meant to imply that another race is inferior. Immediately run to your nearest blog and complain about it.

So easy, a Republican can use it!

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:30:58pm

re: #42 JamesWI

Do you need to know whether a statement is racist or not? Then why don't you try:

Buck's World-Famous Racism Detector™!!!

Simply answer the following questions:

Is the person who made the statement a conservative/Republican? If so, relax. The statement is definitely not racist. We're all just not understanding the point, or we're missing out on a great joke.

Is the person who made the statement a liberal/Democrat? If so, then get out the pitchforks. The person in question clearly meant to imply that another race is inferior. Immediately run to your nearest blog and complain about it.

So easy, a Republican can use it!

Not true. First of all in my #11 I said "I remember the (correct) outrage when Eric Bolling used a similar tone to mock Obama."

Secondly, I am simply defending Cains right to be offended. Stewart all but ADMITS that it is Amos and Andy.

YOUR post is reversed. It is YOU who can't find fault with any liberal.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:32:38pm

re: #40 tacuba14

Seriously Cain? Three pages?

No not seriously. He was kidding, making jokes and getting laughs.

JamesWI Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:43:01pm

re: #43 Buck

Not true. First of all in my #11 I said "I remember the (correct) outrage when Eric Bolling used a similar tone to mock Obama."

Secondly, I am simply defending Cains right to be offended. Stewart all but ADMITS that it is Amos and Andy.

YOUR post is reversed. It is YOU who can't find fault with any liberal.

Um.....no. There are just so many things wrong with your posts in this thread, it's probably impossible to go through them all. First among them, is that Cain states Stewart is only going after him "because he's black." Your argument is that, according to you and Cain, he's using an "Amos and Andy" voice. Even if you are correct that he is using a stereotype voice, that doesn't even come close to being proof of what Cain is saying.

In another comment you write:

OK, but if he did that while mocking... Lieberman? Do you think that he has? Even Weiner, who justly deserved to be mocked, would not be mocked in a "jewish voice".

Clearly you have never seen Jon Stewart, because he does his "Jewish voice" ALL THE TIME. I don't watch the Daily Show that often, and seemingly every time I do catch a show, I hear him doing his "Jewish voice" at some point.

I could formulate my thoughts a lot better than what I have done here, but I figure, why even bother? Everyone knows your schtick. You'll show up to tout the same boiler-plate Rush/Hannity/Beck lines and ignore all logic, common sense, or arguments that go against it. So I'm not going to even bother taking the time necessary to refine my arguments.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:46:47pm

re: #34 Locker

It doesn't matter what was said, what reality is or what other perspectives may exist.

Actually I am the only one talking about what was really said. It is YOU who is interpreting.

When asked if that was Amos and Andy, Stewart does not say no, but says he does other voices. You know like the time he did the Amos and Andy, black mans voice for Obama....You remember that?

AND the other perspective is that Cain has a perfect right to be offended if he wants to be. Read what he says:

I’ve been called every name in the book because I’m a conservative, because I’m black.
Sticks and stone may break my bones, words are not going to hurt me. I was on that radio show because a happen to be an American black conservative. I labeled my self. I’m an American Black Conservative, an A-B-C. They keep trying to put labels on me. I have been called “Uncle Tom,” “sell out,” “Oreo,” “shameless.” So the fact that he wants to mock me because I happen to be a black conservative, in the words of my Grandfather, “I does not care. I does not care.”

When he is called “Uncle Tom,” “sell out,” “Oreo,” do you think he might have a point that it is because he is black? Are white people called those names? Asians?

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:54:59pm

re: #45 JamesWI

Even if you are correct that he is using a stereotype voice, that doesn't even come close to being proof of what Cain is saying.

Ya, even if it was an Amos and Andy voice that he used to mock a black man, there is no way it is because Cain is black... That makes no sense.

Clearly you have never seen Jon Stewart, because he does his "Jewish voice" ALL THE TIME. I don't watch the Daily Show that often, and seemingly every time I do catch a show, I hear him doing his "Jewish voice" at some point.

Never to mock a jewish politician. My point is that he would not do that to mock Leiberman, not that he doesn't do it. And he doesn't do a black voice for Obama.

Prove me wrong.
Anyway it doesn't matter. Cain wasn't even offended. But he does know when someone is attacking him for being Black.

JamesWI Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:14:59pm

re: #47 Buck

Ya, even if it was an Amos and Andy voice that he used to mock a black man, there is no way it is because Cain is black... That makes no sense.

....You really either can't, or just choose not to, read. If a white person had made the stupid "three page bill" comments, he would have mocked him. He wouldn't have used the same voice to do it, but it would still be mocked. That sort of blows up your whole "He only went after him because he's black" line of thinking

Never to mock a jewish politician. My point is that he would not do that to mock Leiberman, not that he doesn't do it. And he doesn't do a black voice for Obama.

Prove me wrong.
Anyway it doesn't matter. Cain wasn't even offended. But he does know when someone is attacking him for being Black.

As other people have pointed out, and you have just continued to ignore, HE DOES THE JEWISH VOICE WHEN TALKING ABOUT LIEBERMAN. He does it all the time with Jewish-American and Israeli people. And if a person is from Brooklyn, he does a Brooklyn voice. And if it's George W. Bush, he does his southern W voice. And if he's mocking McCain, he uses a grizzly old guy voice. When he mocks people, he tries to get as close to their voice as he can get.

Good god, are you really this dense?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:30:18pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll have to listen to it before giving you a serious answer.

OK, I've listened to it. I do not hear a trace of Amos and Andy.

Buck Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:33:34pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I've listened to it. I do not hear a trace of Amos and Andy.

Not even a trace? Well, on Chris Wallace Stewart all but ADMITS that it is Amos and Andy.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:35:06pm

re: #46 Buck

Actually I am the only one talking about what was really said. It is YOU who is interpreting.

When asked if that was Amos and Andy, Stewart does not say no, but says he does other voices. You know like the time he did the Amos and Andy, black mans voice for Obama...You remember that?

AND the other perspective is that Cain has a perfect right to be offended if he wants to be. Read what he says:

When he is called “Uncle Tom,” “sell out,” “Oreo,” do you think he might have a point that it is because he is black? Are white people called those names? Asians?

Jon Stewart called him an Uncle Tom and an Oreo? Now that would be very inappropriate indeed.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:38:31pm

re: #47 Buck

Ya, even if it was an Amos and Andy voice that he used to mock a black man, there is no way it is because Cain is black... That makes no sense.

Never to mock a jewish politician. My point is that he would not do that to mock Leiberman, not that he doesn't do it. And he doesn't do a black voice for Obama.

Prove me wrong.
Anyway it doesn't matter. Cain wasn't even offended. But he does know when someone is attacking him for being Black.

You spent hours insisting that Emanuel Cleaver didn't know that, and that it was all a big misunderstanding, IIRC.

Buck, this act would be more convincing if I hadn't seen you plead repeatedly for people to assume that racism directed at Democrats was merely a matter of misunderstanding and ascribing evil intent to innocent people.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:39:45pm

re: #50 Buck

Not even a trace? Well, on Chris Wallace Stewart all but ADMITS that it is Amos and Andy.

Please give his exact words.

mjohnso27 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:41:27pm

I'm black and I'm not offended by Jon Stewart's voice in this piece.

On the other hand, I am completely offended by the series of ridiculous ads Cain affiliated group, America's PAC, produced and ran on black radio stations in swing states during the 2004 and 2006 elections. Cain, who was a spokesperson for the group, performed voice-over work in many of the ads.

The New York Sun reported that the following ad, which was focused on abortion, featured Cain's voice having a conversation with a black voter in the painfully convoluted, "jive turkey" speak:

“If you make a little mistake with one of your ‘hos,’ you’ll want to dispose of that problem tout suite, no questions asked,” one of the men says.
“That’s too cold. I don’t snuff my own seed,” the other replies.
“Maybe you do have a reason to vote Republican,” the first man says.

You can listen to the ad here.

According to Thinkprogress, the ad, and similar ads that were produced with Cain’s help in 2004, were widely denounced. Civil Rights icon Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) “called the ads ‘repugnant, vicious‘ and filled with ‘outright lies that distort the facts.’”

Appearing as a spokesperson for the group on Fox News in 2006, Cain defended the ads, saying “the general concept of having ads that give people the facts, that tell people the truth — and, sometimes, the truth hurts.”

Self aware much, Mr. Cain?

JamesWI Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:41:28pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Please give his exact words.

*Crickets*

JamesWI Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:45:32pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Jon Stewart called him an Uncle Tom and an Oreo? Now that would be very inappropriate indeed.

Buck's logic - Some people go after Herman Cain because he is black. Jon Stewart went after Herman Cain. Ergo, Jon Stewart went after Herman Cain because he is black.

It's easy to break the rules of logic when you use Buck's World-Famous Racism Detector™!!!

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:53:10pm

OK, the exact words I can find: “Do you want to see my New York voice? My Chinese guy voice?”

That is not even close to 'practically admitting it was Amos and Andy'. Buck, for a guy who gets dizzy when anyone claims to know what's in the heart of a Tea Partier with a racist sign, that's a hell of a jump.

Now, Stewart is clearly imitating Cain's 'folksy' presentation and intonation in the clip he runs. Is that more problematic when it's a black politician than when it's a white guy from Texas? It actually may be. It's a conversation I'm willing to have, but frankly, probably not with Buck.

Timmeh Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:28:26pm

It's well known that Stewart never mocks white people.

goddamnedfrank Fri, Jun 24, 2011 12:48:53am

re: #50 Buck

Not even a trace? Well, on Chris Wallace Stewart all but ADMITS that it is Amos and Andy.

I like how you put "admits" in all caps to try and misrepresent the facts, truth being that this is what Stewart didn't even come close to doing. Par for the course though, you've been caught lying before, you'll do it again.

Jeff In Ohio Fri, Jun 24, 2011 4:09:14am

I don't speak Canadian, can someone translate this buthurt for me?

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 4:20:28am

re: #50 Buck

Not even a trace? Well, on Chris Wallace Stewart all but ADMITS that it is Amos and Andy.

No, he doesn't. Why are you making things up? Did you even bother to listen to all the clips, including the Amos and Andy one that I posted? Please, tell me exactly what Stewart did that made it sound like Amos and Andy?

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:31:31am

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW your post was after 11pm my time on a weeknight. So I wasn't avoiding it.

When asked if he was bringing back Amos and Andy, Stewart didn't deny that it was Amos and Andy. He went straight into saying that he does a lot of voices. I think he would has said that he was trying to do Cain. And anyway I am sure you would be offended if the President was being mocked in a "Black" voice

As I stated in my #11. Using eubonics to mock the President was offensive as well.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what YOU think. Just like it didn't matter what others thought when PublicityStunted was offended by a slur. Everyone agrees that she had a right to be offended.

So did Cain.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:33:22am

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

I like how you put "admits" in all caps to try and misrepresent the facts, truth being that this is what Stewart didn't even come close to doing. Par for the course though, you've been caught lying before, you'll do it again.

Actually that is a lie. I gave my opinion based on what Stewart didn't say when asked if he was doing "Amos and Andy".

You have a different opinion. Doesn't make what I said a lie.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:36:09am

re: #55 JamesWI

Again, it was 11:40pm in my timezone. I was not avoiding anything. I went to my daughters grad dinner, and went to bed.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:40:49am

re: #62 Buck

If you're going to rant about how horrible it is for Jon Stewart to use "ebonics," you really ought to learn to spell the word first.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:42:40am

re: #65 Charles

Actually, I was referring to my #11 were I say it was Eric Bolling. Not Stewart.

And yes, think you for correcting my spelling. It happens.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:52:19am

re: #62 Buck

BTW your post was after 11pm my time on a weeknight. So I wasn't avoiding it.

When asked if he was bringing back Amos and Andy, Stewart didn't deny that it was Amos and Andy. He went straight into saying that he does a lot of voices. I think he would has said that he was trying to do Cain. And anyway I am sure you would be offended if the President was being mocked in a "Black" voice

As I stated in my #11. Using eubonics to mock the President was offensive as well.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what YOU think. Just like it didn't matter what others thought when PublicityStunted was offended by a slur. Everyone agrees that she had a right to be offended.

So did Cain.

There wasn't a slur. There was definitely a joke based on the stupid thing he said about only signing bills that were three pages long, but that's not a slur.

gehazi Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:55:48am

re: #67 Sionainn

My goodness, this silly thread is still ongoing? Btw, the more correct term these days is African American Vernacular English.

Also: I'm in the older edge of Stewart's target demo these days, what's Amos and Andy? Some old TV show or something?

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:57:04am

re: #67 Sionainn

There wasn't a slur. There was definitely a joke based on the stupid thing he said about only signing bills that were three pages long, but that's not a slur.

And yet so was the comment from Cain about the three page bills a joke. If you watch the entire video you get to hear the laughter from the audience. Cain was kidding around. Calling it a stupid thing mean the joke is on Stewart and you.

Why would you believe that Cain would think that it would be possible for all bills to be 3 pages long?

gehazi Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:57:38am

That wasn't intended as a reply to #67, but as a general response to a very silly argument.

Anybody can be offended about anything they want, by the way. It's a free country. And everybody else can tell them how big a fool they are for being offended at nothing.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 10:57:48am

re: #63 Buck

Actually that is a lie. I gave my opinion based on what Stewart didn't say when asked if he was doing "Amos and Andy".

You have a different opinion. Doesn't make what I said a lie.

So, you are basing this whole idea that Stewart was doing "Amos and Andy" based solely on the fact that he didn't specifically say he wasn't doing "Amos and Andy." For the umpteenth time, use your head and actually watch the videos and base your opinion on some facts, not on supposition because Stewart didn't say what you wanted him to say.

Did it ever cross your mind that Stewart had no idea what an "Amos and Andy" kind of voice was? I certainly didn't and Stewart and I are about the same age. I had to look for a clip to see what the hell you were talking about. That would make it kind of hard to immediately deny what Wallace asked him.

gehazi Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:00:43am

re: #69 Buck

Why would you believe that Cain would think that it would be possible for all bills to be 3 pages long?

I don't know, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he doesn't know anything about politics?

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:01:21am

re: #72 gehazi

I don't know, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he doesn't know anything about politics?

And how is that a fact?

gehazi Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:02:29am

re: #73 Buck

And how is that a fact?

Because anybody that knows anything about politics would never try to claim that all bills could be condensed to 3 pages? ;)

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:09:22am

re: #74 gehazi

Because anybody that knows anything about politics would never try to claim that all bills could be condensed to 3 pages? ;)

OK, so the reason you think he meant what he said about the 3 pages is that he doesn't know anything about politics, and the reason he doesn't know anything about politics is that he meant what he said about the 3 pages.

Just wanted to make sure I was understanding you.

Careful, a person might think that you are so sure he doesn't know anything about politics simply because he is an American Black Conservative.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:10:37am

re: #68 gehazi

My goodness, this silly thread is still ongoing? Btw, the more correct term these days is African American Vernacular English.

Also: I'm in the older edge of Stewart's target demo these days, what's Amos and Andy? Some old TV show or something?

Radio show, became a TV show.

gehazi Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:10:40am

re: #75 Buck

You have my circular reasoning so well pegged, I'd have sworn you were a master of the craft!

Interesting Times Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:18:53am

re: #66 Buck

And yes, think you for correcting my spelling. It happens.

Hahahaha you couldn't make this stuff up :P

Everyone agrees that she had a right to be offended.

You didn't, liar, given how you downdinged that post out of pure spite. The same kind of mean-spirited spite you used to imply people here are okay with pedophilia and don't care about a child's welfare:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Quit treating us as if we're stupid enough to fall for your sleazy, dishonest blather.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:32:18am

re: #78 publicityStunted

Hahahaha you couldn't make this stuff up :P

You didn't, liar, given how you downdinged that post out of pure spite. The same kind of mean-spirited spite you used to imply people here are okay with pedophilia and don't care about a child's welfare:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Quit treating us as if we're stupid enough to fall for your sleazy, dishonest blather.

I hope everyone looks at the links you provided. Yes, I said those things and I stand by them. Although I do not think I am implying anything of the sort.

You change the subject however.

And yes I downdinged your comment, But not because I didn't think you had a right to be offended. The OP is calling Cain "pathetic" for being offended. I can only imagine if someone called you "pathetic", how you would feel.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:35:42am

Buck, it's not "pathetic" to be offended by a real slur. Your attempt to make Jon Stewart's joke into a slur is pathetic since it clearly was not a slur.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:43:47am

re: #80 Sionainn

Buck, it's not "pathetic" to be offended by a real slur. Your attempt to make Jon Stewart's joke into a slur is pathetic since it clearly was not a slur.

If I understand you then, in your opinion mocking Herman Cain, a Black man, in a "black voice" by saying that he is almost illiterate is not a slur.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if it were Rush doing a funny black voice about a CBC member who does "not like to read".

Interesting Times Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:44:51am

re: #80 Sionainn

Buck, it's not "pathetic" to be offended by a real slur. Your attempt to make Jon Stewart's joke into a slur is pathetic since it clearly was not a slur.

What's truly pathetic is Buck getting all hot and bothered over Stewart's bit, when he happily defended Ann Coulter's "Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take 'flying carpets'" joke:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:48:18am

re: #82 publicityStunted

What's truly pathetic is Buck getting all hot and bothered over Stewart's bit, when he happily defended Ann Coulter's "Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take 'flying carpets'" joke:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ahh, and there you are wrong again. I am hot and bothered over the double standard. Specifically, YOUR double standard. Turn it around. You are bothered about Ann Coulter making jokes, and not of Jon Stewart.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:50:49am

re: #81 Buck

If I understand you then, in your opinion mocking Herman Cain, a Black man, in a "black voice" by saying that he is almost illiterate is not a slur.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if it were Rush doing a funny black voice about a CBC member who does "not like to read".

Stewart did not use a "black voice," he used a Herman Cain voice as was clearly evidenced by the videos you posted. I'm still not getting where you are getting the whole "black voice" from. What specifically makes you think that what Stewart did was using a "black voice"?

As to your comment about "almost illiterate," not liking to read and not being able to read are two different things. Presumably, if one were illiterate, one wouldn't be able to read even three pages.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:53:03am

re: #82 publicityStunted

What's truly pathetic is Buck getting all hot and bothered over Stewart's bit, when he happily defended Ann Coulter's "Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take 'flying carpets'" joke:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Well, that was certainly illuminating.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 11:56:25am

re: #84 Sionainn

clearly evidenced

Actually left to opinion. I would not say there was evidence that he was only doing Cain. His reply to the accusation that it was Amos and Andy was that he does jewish voices etc. That leads me to believe that he places that funny voice in with the other general funny voices.

That is were I am getting the whole black voice thing from.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 12:03:19pm

re: #86 Buck

Actually left to opinion. I would not say there was evidence that he was only doing Cain. His reply to the accusation that it was Amos and Andy was that he does jewish voices etc. That leads me to believe that he places that funny voice in with the other general funny voices.

That is were I am getting the whole black voice thing from.

Well, there's nothing more to say, then, because the only thing Stewart copied was the manner of Cain's speech and that was really clear to pretty much anyone watching the videos. That's not a "black voice." To me (and likely most other people), a "black voice" would be one where words are not clearly enunciated, consonants are dropped, poor grammar, basically sounding uneducated (ebonics, if you will). Stewart certainly didn't do that.

You are also completely ignoring that Stewart may have no idea what an "Amos and Andy" thing is other than it was a t.v. show.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 12:24:53pm

re: #87 Sionainn

You are also completely ignoring that Stewart may have no idea what an "Amos and Andy" thing is other than it was a t.v. show.

I am not ignoring it. You made the statement, and it was your opinion. I would find it impossible to believe, but it is hard for me to prove. I think he is much smarter than that.

Do you now know who Amos and Andy were, and why people might be offended by those characters today?

And for the last time, it does not matter how YOU take it. Herman Cain, a well educated author of four books clearly likes to read. Herman Cain heard the "Amos and Andy type brogue", even if you didn't.

I am saying that you are participating in a double standard.

Enjoy it.

Sionainn Fri, Jun 24, 2011 12:46:05pm

Herman Cain apparently is the only one who heard an "Amos and Andy type brogue." I watched some Amos and Andy videos and Stewart didn't come close to imitating any of the language or speech patterns that were used in that show.

I think I'll stop responding to you now before I say something incredibly rude to you.

Locker Fri, Jun 24, 2011 12:47:50pm

You have said the same thing, for two days. You haven't said a thing different, participated in discussion, thought about different perspectives or anything a normal and intelligent person would do.

You just repeat yourself, over and over and over and over and over. Soon, the person you are talking to learns your trick and they stop engaging with you.

So, we get it, Amos and Andy, right. Should I count the amount of times you said Amos and Andy in this thread? Right. We get it. Now kindly shut the fuck up, you are a spammer.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 12:49:39pm

Actually Juan Williams heard it as well.

How do you attack Juan? Is he also a conservative now?

Interesting Times Fri, Jun 24, 2011 1:00:15pm

LOL@bringing up Juan Williams, given his own antics.

The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning. Williams was fired from NPR for making bigoted anti-Muslim statements on Fox News, and is now a shill for the most biased right wing media source in the country

Plus, the URL text:
newsbusters.org/.../uan-williams-jhannity-would-have-been-fired-doing-amos-and-andy-voice (I'm not giving Newsbusters any hits) itself contains a bald-faced lie.

When the hell was the last time Fox "News" fired anyone for statements that (unlike Stewart's bit) actually were bigoted?

JamesWI Fri, Jun 24, 2011 1:09:51pm

re: #90 Locker

You have said the same thing, for two days. You haven't said a thing different, participated in discussion, thought about different perspectives or anything a normal and intelligent person would do.

You just repeat yourself, over and over and over and over and over. Soon, the person you are talking to learns your trick and they stop engaging with you.

So, we get it, Amos and Andy, right. Should I count the amount of times you said Amos and Andy in this thread? Right. We get it. Now kindly shut the fuck up, you are a spammer.

Nothing to add to this. Just figured it needed to be posted again.

Buck Fri, Jun 24, 2011 1:19:13pm

re: #92 publicityStunted

Do you believe that Juan is a racist?

And it's certainly unsettling to hear him admit that he worries when he sees Muslims in distinctive dress. But admitting such fears doesn't make you a bigot. Sometimes, to work through your fears, you have to face them honestly. You have to think through the perils of acting on those fears. And you have to explain to others why they, too, should transcend their anxieties or resentments and treat people as individuals.

-- William Saletan on Slate

Firing the only Black man on NPR, a man with impeccable qualifications on race relations in America says more about NPR's bigotry than Juan's.

wrenchwench Fri, Jun 24, 2011 1:31:44pm

re: #94 Buck

Firing the only Black man on NPR

Wrong.

Artist Fri, Jun 24, 2011 1:42:55pm

re: #90 Locker

You have said the same thing, for two days. You haven't said a thing different, participated in discussion, thought about different perspectives or anything a normal and intelligent person would do.

You just repeat yourself, over and over and over and over and over. Soon, the person you are talking to learns your trick and they stop engaging with you.

So, we get it, Amos and Andy, right. Should I count the amount of times you said Amos and Andy in this thread? Right. We get it. Now kindly shut the fuck up, you are a spammer.

Quoted for truth.

andres Fri, Jun 24, 2011 2:33:58pm

After watching the Stewart's video, I didn't get the "Amos and Andy" type of voice. I did get the Foghorn Leghorn kind of voice, which Cain himself was using on the video Stewart was making fun of.

And before Buck comes and say that neither Cain nor Stewart stuttered, here's something to bring back memories. And part of the inspiration of Foghorn J., I say, Foghorn J. Leghorn, Senator Claghorn. Notice that neither stutter as much as try to emphasize by repeating their phrases using "I say" and "Son". This isn't present in either Cain's or Stewart's videos. What is common to all voices is the grandiose style of speaking, which Cain did use in his speech, and Stewart made fun of. And apparently, that voice style is either from Kentucky or Virginia.

re: #47 Buck

Never to mock a jewish politician. My point is that he would not do that to mock Leiberman, not that he doesn't do it. And he doesn't do a black voice for Obama.

Prove me wrong.
Anyway it doesn't matter. Cain wasn't even offended. But he does know when someone is attacking him for being Black.

Here's a video you might find interesting. Fast forward to 3:15.

Obdicut Fri, Jun 24, 2011 4:49:37pm

re: #94 Buck

Saying that someone who's black shouldn't be fired, no matter what, because they're black, shows a most patronizing bigotry.

Buck, this is typical of you. John Stewart didn't do an Amos and Andy voice. Your 'proof' that he did is that he didn't deny it, which is meaningless. Anyone listening to Amos and Andy, and to Stewart, can tell they sound nothing alike.

Lying about racism is a really, really shitty thing to do. Why do you let yourself act this way in defense of conservatives? What drives you to do it?

Obdicut Fri, Jun 24, 2011 4:50:10pm

re: #94 Buck