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1 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:02:28am

So President Lincoln was a fervent Marxist? The entire civil war was fought over Marxism? Seriously guys, you have to back these kind of statements up with evidence and citations. You really do, you just can’t claim it out of thin air, then again considering the kind of wankers that generally support this nonsense I suppose you see need of evidence. You asserted it, therefore it is true, right?

2 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:18:46am

So… Republicans are Marxists!

3 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:21:34am

There were a lot of German immigrants on both sides in the Civil War, who came to America after the failed revolution of 1848. Oh and, Karl Marx had some kind things to say about Lincoln, although it is very doubtful that Lincoln even knew who this guy Karl Marx was.

4 aagcobb  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:27:32am

The horror, free people’s slaves were stolen from them by the evil Marxist Lincoln! You have to be a real tool to define your freedom as the right to treat other human beings like cattle.

5 Michael Orion Powell  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:48:56am

I couldn’t even make it past the first paragraph of that.

6 Lidane  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:07:59am
[citation needed]

This needs to be stamped across the foreheads of every whackaloon with a website. Left, right, Luap Nor fanboy, Alex Jones conspiracy nut…whatever. Don’t give a shit. Sources or GTFO.

7 Lidane  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:10:42am

re: #5 OrionXP

I couldn’t even make it past the first paragraph of that.

That’s because you’re not a raving lunatic Civil War revisionist.

8 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:12:08am

Didn’t Engel’s family disown him because of his association with Marx? This is pathetic of course though. No amount of revising history is going to take away from the fact that the CSA existed because its leaders feared the abolition of slavery. If you had asked them at the time, they would have said that but because their modern day propagandists know they’ll never get away with justifying slavery, they do this.

9 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:16:49am
Abraham Lincoln initiated the first Communist (Marxist) Revolution of the United States with corrupt election tactics massive voter fraud combined with forced closing of opposing news media.

A strange charge, given the fact that the Lincoln/Hamlin ticket wasn’t even on the ballot in much of the South….

10 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:19:54am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Engel’s family disown him because of his association with Marx? This is pathetic of course though. No amount of revising history is going to take away from the fact that the CSA existed because its leaders feared the abolition of slavery. If you had asked them at the time, they would have said that but because their modern day propagandists know they’ll never get away with justifying slavery, they do this.

The Confederacy’s own documents justify secession and the formation of the Confederacy based on the desire for slavery and for the inherent inequality of blacks and whites. But I realize CSA revisionists can’t make reference to such things….

11 Lidane  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:22:05am

re: #9 Bulworth

A strange charge, given the fact that the Lincoln/Hamlin ticket wasn’t even on the ballot in much of the South…

Who needs facts when you have Truth on your side? They know in their hearts that Lincoln lied and cheated to get elected President and he must have defrauded voters somehow.

12 Lidane  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:25:14am

re: #10 Bulworth

The Confederacy’s own documents justify secession and the formation of the Confederacy based on the desire for slavery and for the inherent inequality of blacks and whites. But I realize CSA revisionists can’t make reference to such things…

See, now you’re just bringing facts into the discussion. CSA revisionists don’t deal in facts. They deal in “heritage”, don’tcha know.

13 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:28:07am
“Official CSA Government Webpage”

Kinda reminds me of our Kommissarische Reichsregierung.

14 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:41:55am

As some of you know I work on history magazines for my job. Got done reading a feature on John Mosby of Mosby’s Raiders fame who post war became a Republican and supporter of President Grant and he admitted that the war was fought of slavery. If you want someone to blame for the reivisionism, Jubal Early is probably the biggest guilty party. He started the demonization of Longstreet who many feel was a fine general and perhaps Lee’s superior.

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:47:18am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

As some of you know I work on history magazines for my job. Got done reading a feature on John Mosby of Mosby’s Raiders fame who post war became a Republican and supporter of President Grant and he admitted that the war was fought of slavery. If you want someone to blame for the reivisionism, Jubal Early is probably the biggest guilty party. He started the demonization of Longstreet who many feel was a fine general and perhaps Lee’s superior.

Declaration of Causes of Secession documents all give “slavery” as the reason for seceding.

Of course those are original documents! It’s even in 1860’s era HTML.

16 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:49:17am
If you want someone to blame for the reivisionism, Jubal Early is probably the biggest guilty party. He started the demonization of Longstreet who many feel was a fine general and perhaps Lee’s superior.

And if my memory serves correctly, Longstreet was more accepting of Reconstruction, and this apparently had something to do with his demonization by Early and others.

It says a lot about the power and reach of historical revisionism of the Civil War that someone who tried, at least after the War, to be loyal to his country, was demonized.

17 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:52:05am

re: #9 Bulworth

Here is Wikipedia’s explanation of how ballots and election slates were done in 1860:

Ballots were printed sheets, usually printed by the party, with the name of the candidate(s) and the names of presidential electors who were pledged to that presidential candidate. Voters brought the ballot to the polling station, and dropped it publicly into the election box. In order to receive any votes, a candidate (or his party) had to have ballots printed, and have organized a group of electors pledged to that candidate. Except in some border areas the Republican party did not attempt any organization in the South and did not print ballots there because almost no one was willing to acknowledge publicly they were voting for Lincoln.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

18 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:53:10am

re: #16 Bulworth

And if my memory serves correctly, Longstreet was more accepting of Reconstruction, and this apparently had something to do with his demonization by Early and others.

It says a lot about the power and reach of historical revisionism of the Civil War that someone who tried, at least after the War, to be loyal to his country, was demonized.

Longstreet committed four sins in the eyes of the revisionists:
1) He became a Republican
2.) He converted to Catholicism
3.) He became a friend and served in Grant’s administration.
4.) He was critical of Lee’s decisions at Gettysburg.
But yes he was accepting of reconstruction and didn’t attempt to sugarcoat the reality of the CSA. From what I read in other material, Longstreet’s defensive strategies are still taught at West Point or at least were in the WWII era. A brilliant and underrated general in my eyes.

19 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:56:00am

By the way this attempt is also a slander on the men who fought and died for the Union. As a great great grandson of a Pennsylvania Union soldier, I say fuck these people.

20 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:58:05am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Also seems like military men who lived in or at least came from the South but who were loyal to the Union, such as George Thomas*, haven’t been as generously treated by history as secessionists like Lee and Jackson.

*There is at least one relatively new history of Thomas.

21 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:09:42am

re: #20 Bulworth

Also seems like military men who lived in or at least came from the South but who were loyal to the Union, such as George Thomas*, haven’t been as generously treated by history as secessionists like Lee and Jackson.

*There is at least one relatively new history of Thomas.


General Buford, the cavalry general in Gettysburg whose actions many feel helped the Union win the battle was a Southerner too. And, then there’s the story of how the state of West Virginia came to be and a reason why I always defend that state.

22 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:13:00am
And, then there’s the story of how the state of West Virginia came to be and a reason why I always defend that state.

That’s a great point. Thanks for the info on Buford (who of course I’d never heard of. I wonder why).

23 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:51:24am

lol

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:32:33pm

re: #2 Charleston Chew

So… Republicans are Marxists!

I KNEW IT!!!

//

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:33:50pm

re: #11 Lidane

Who needs facts when you have Truth on your side? They know in their hearts that Lincoln lied and cheated to get elected President and he must have defrauded voters somehow.

I still can’t believe this.

26 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:38:12pm

I have such giddy glee when I stop and think how mad these people must be that a brown man is the president. Obama is the ultimate troll of neo-confederates.

27 freetoken  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:07:12pm

I want to believe that the website in question is just a spoof site.

Really want to believe that.

28 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:09:46pm

re: #26 SpaceJesus

I have such giddy glee when I stop and think how mad these people must be that a brown man is the president. Obama is the ultimate troll of neo-confederates.

re: #27 freetoken

I want to believe that the website in question is just a spoof site.

Really want to believe that.

They’re real—and it pisses them off to be called ‘neo-Confederates’. They maintain that ‘neos’ have lost the faith. These clowns see themselves as the legitimate extension of the Old Confederacy.

29 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:28:12pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

By “lost the faith” you mean they don’t expressly want slavery back?

30 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:34:56pm

Robert Lewis Dabney’s biography of Stonewall Jackson includes a claim that Lincoln and the north fought under the “red banner of radicalism” and had links to European socialists. This was written in 1866. Dabney was a tireless promoter of Lost Cause revisionism and remains an iconic figure to neo-Confederates. None other than RS McCain once used Dabney’s name as a posting ID on the net. Dabney’s biography of Jackson remains in print today and may well be the source of this Lincoln as Marxist nonsense.
In Harry Turtledove’s Southern Victory alternate history series, Lincoln survives the north’s defeat in the Civil War, lives into the 1890s, and eventually becomes a Marxist agitator.

31 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:39:36pm

re: #29 SpaceJesus

By “lost the faith” you mean they don’t expressly want slavery back?

No, by being neo, they imply that the Confederacy died. The essence of this bunch is that it’s just ‘occupied’. (That means I was part of the Yankee occupation forces. Now I’m just a carpetbagger.)

32 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:51:18pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

No, by being neo, they imply that the Confederacy died. The essence of this bunch is that it’s just ‘occupied’. (That means I was part of the Yankee occupation forces. Now I’m just a carpetbagger.)

It’s a fact that Lincoln never produced a birth certificate, long or short form, so the legitimacy of his administration is in doubt. This means that his appointments were invalid including that of General Grant to command the Army of the Potomac. Lee’s surrender at Appomattox is therefore invalid, non-binding, and altogether a fake so the south never really fell.

33 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:59:37pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb


I see. So these guys are like those Japanese hold-outs who are still fighting WW2 on tiny, remote Pacific islands? How do they have internet access in their bunkers beneath Vicksburg?

34 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:02:18pm

re: #33 SpaceJesus

I see. So these guys are like those Japanese hold-outs who are still fighting WW2 on tiny, remote Pacific islands? How do they have internet access in their bunkers beneath Vicksburg?

Friendly Amish IT technicians do their commo.


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