The GOP debate in Iowa reveals the candidates have no grasp of reproductive health

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The GOP debate in Iowa reveals the candidates have no grasp of reproductive health

A gynecologists well written rant --complete with visual aids.

By Birth Control Works

Politics • August 2011 • Views: 2,021

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There are no studies to support the idea that women feel victimized by abortion.

Laws do nothing to reduce the rate of abortion. They delay access by raising costs, thereby increasing the percentage of later term abortions.

Contraception prevents unplanned pregnancies, and therefore abortion.

If you want to prevent abortion, you need contraception.

The only logical conclusion is that contraception is pro-life.

And I’ll debate any GOP candidate on that subject anytime, anywhere.

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23 comments

mikiesmoky2 Sat, Aug 13, 2011 2:19:42pm

A B O R T I O N P E R S P E C T I V E & R E C O N C I L A T I O N

The popular definition of “abortion” is that it is the termination of a pregnancy, which, obviously, results in the “prevention of life”.

In an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein, we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”. Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is the prevention of “one-month-old babies”.

In the context of “one-month-old babies”, what is the difference between aborting one second after conception or one second prior, since in both instances, one is preventing “one-month-old babies”? If we abstain or use some other form of birth control, we are preventing any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

The creation of “one-month-old babies” can be viewed as a process, which begins with the ability of a male and a female to engage in sexual activity and which, sometimes, ends in the creation of “one-month-old babies”. This process may be ended, terminated, truncated, aborted at any point during that process.

The methods vary from deciding not to engage in such activity, the use of contraceptives, and the employment of physical and/or chemical efforts.
Each method prevents any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

mz
07/24/09

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:03:14pm

Who the Fuck is mz, who seems to have written this bizarre comment in 2009?

Never mind, I don't need to know.

calochortus Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:15:19pm

re: #1 mikiesmoky2

There are so many logical flaws in this I hardly know where to begin. So I won't bother, except to point out to those who missed it that fertilization does not a pregnancy make-implantation of a fertilized egg is a pregnancy.

Political Atheist Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:17:23pm

re: #1 mikiesmoky2

A B O R T I O N P E R S P E C T I V E & R E C O N C I L A T I O N

The popular definition of “abortion” is that it is the termination of a pregnancy, which, obviously, results in the “prevention of life”.

In an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein, we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”. Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is the prevention of “one-month-old babies”.

In the context of “one-month-old babies”, what is the difference between aborting one second after conception or one second prior, since in both instances, one is preventing “one-month-old babies”? If we abstain or use some other form of birth control, we are preventing any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

The creation of “one-month-old babies” can be viewed as a process, which begins with the ability of a male and a female to engage in sexual activity and which, sometimes, ends in the creation of “one-month-old babies”. This process may be ended, terminated, truncated, aborted at any point during that process.

The methods vary from deciding not to engage in such activity, the use of contraceptives, and the employment of physical and/or chemical efforts.
Each method prevents any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

mz
07/24/09

You really should absorb the idea that preventing conception is very different than ending a life.

Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:27:28pm

re: #1 mikiesmoky2

Let's take this "logic" even further and substitute "thread shitting nutburger trolls" for "one month old babies."
Or maybe not.

Obdicut Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:39:32pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

Let's take this "logic" even further and substitute "thread shitting nutburger trolls" for "one month old babies."
Or maybe not.

The logic is arbitrary. There's no reason to focus on the actual act of sex, if you're already getting that abstract. You could say another method of terminating the process is shooting someone dead, because then they wouldn't be able to engage in the activity.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:44:12pm

re: #6 Obdicut

The logic is arbitrary. There's no reason to focus on the actual act of sex, if you're already getting that abstract. You could say another method of terminating the process is shooting someone dead, because then they wouldn't be able to engage in the activity.

But then the hypothetical one month old baby wouldn't be born -- therefore

oh wait . . .

Obdicut Sat, Aug 13, 2011 4:49:57pm

re: #7 ggt

Or, to quote frank:

By this "logic" interrupting a rape in progress is operationally identical to sacrificing a three week old infant to Tlaloc. I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

b_sharp Sat, Aug 13, 2011 5:00:25pm

re: #1 mikiesmoky2

A B O R T I O N P E R S P E C T I V E & R E C O N C I L A T I O N

The popular definition of “abortion” is that it is the termination of a pregnancy, which, obviously, results in the “prevention of life”.

In an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein, we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”. Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is the prevention of “one-month-old babies”.

In the context of “one-month-old babies”, what is the difference between aborting one second after conception or one second prior, since in both instances, one is preventing “one-month-old babies”? If we abstain or use some other form of birth control, we are preventing any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

The creation of “one-month-old babies” can be viewed as a process, which begins with the ability of a male and a female to engage in sexual activity and which, sometimes, ends in the creation of “one-month-old babies”. This process may be ended, terminated, truncated, aborted at any point during that process.

The methods vary from deciding not to engage in such activity, the use of contraceptives, and the employment of physical and/or chemical efforts.
Each method prevents any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

mz
07/24/09

What is this, the Schrodinger's cat version of anti-abortion?

Lidane Sat, Aug 13, 2011 5:01:19pm

re: #9 b_sharp

What is this, the Schrodinger's cat version of anti-abortion?

Whatever it is, it's fucking stupid. Anyone who falls for it is an idiot.

Political Atheist Sat, Aug 13, 2011 5:07:07pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Karma: -116
mikiesmoky2
Registered since: Nov 17, 2010 at 4:05 pm
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Need I say more?

Spocomptonite Sat, Aug 13, 2011 5:07:53pm

re: #1 mikiesmoky2

A B O R T I O N P E R S P E C T I V E & R E C O N C I L A T I O N

The popular definition of “abortion” is that it is the termination of a pregnancy, which, obviously, results in the “prevention of life”.

In an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein, we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”. Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is the prevention of “one-month-old babies”.

In the context of “one-month-old babies”, what is the difference between aborting one second after conception or one second prior, since in both instances, one is preventing “one-month-old babies”? If we abstain or use some other form of birth control, we are preventing any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

The creation of “one-month-old babies” can be viewed as a process, which begins with the ability of a male and a female to engage in sexual activity and which, sometimes, ends in the creation of “one-month-old babies”. This process may be ended, terminated, truncated, aborted at any point during that process.

The methods vary from deciding not to engage in such activity, the use of contraceptives, and the employment of physical and/or chemical efforts.
Each method prevents any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

mz
07/24/09

'Abstinence only' seeks to prevent a lot of "one-month-old-babies" OH SHI--

Jack Burton Sat, Aug 13, 2011 5:50:29pm

Resistance to contraception will never be removed by making the "it prevents abortions" argument, because they don't care. It allows casual sex between unmarried partners to have 97% (or higher) less risk of pregnancy or spread of disease involved. They don't want non-married people having sex. Period. Stop. You can argue this with them until you are blue in the face but it wont change their minds.

This is why you didn't hear much about this in politics until the unhinged kooks took over the GOP, because only the unhinged kooks want that badly to turn the country into Holy American WASP Empire.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Aug 13, 2011 6:05:49pm

re: #13 ArchangelMichael

Resistance to contraception will never be removed by making the "it prevents abortions" argument, because they don't care. It allows casual sex between unmarried partners to have 97% (or higher) less risk of pregnancy or spread of disease involved. They don't want non-married people having sex. Period. Stop. You can argue this with them until you are blue in the face but it wont change their minds.

This is why you didn't hear much about this in politics until the unhinged kooks took over the GOP, because only the unhinged kooks want that badly to turn the country into Holy American WASP Empire.

I agree, until people (parents) face the fact that young people (and married politicians) are going to have sex, unmarried, extra-marital, self-love, same sex, paid sex and lots of it. They have from the beginning of time and won't stop.

The only that that has changed is that individuals are not labeled or persecuted for having sex based on society/religious arbitrary guidelines.
And with the wonders of SCIENCE, we can now understand the mechanisms of reproduction and disease and prevent the only reasonable reasons they had for advocating NO SEX.

Which is, of course, why so many want Christian Sharia in this country and control of our classrooms.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Aug 13, 2011 6:07:30pm

Anyone getting this far:

Please pass it on, retweet, post on your face-book, cut and paste to email.

Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 13, 2011 6:23:15pm

Not digging this.

Political Atheist Sat, Aug 13, 2011 6:33:35pm

re: #15 ggt

Retweeted this page has great value. Even with a bonehead comment as we had above.

Political Atheist Sat, Aug 13, 2011 7:09:45pm

re: #16 Charles

Not digging this.

Have you considered allowing Page authors to delete, gray out or somehow be able to priority request a comment deletion from their own Page?

Atlas Fails Sat, Aug 13, 2011 7:16:22pm

re: #1 mikiesmoky2

A B O R T I O N P E R S P E C T I V E & R E C O N C I L A T I O N

The popular definition of “abortion” is that it is the termination of a pregnancy, which, obviously, results in the “prevention of life”.

In an effort at eliminating a discussion as to the definition of “life”, herein, we will substitute “one-month-old babies” for the concept of “life”. Therefore, the result of an “abortion” is the prevention of “one-month-old babies”.

In the context of “one-month-old babies”, what is the difference between aborting one second after conception or one second prior, since in both instances, one is preventing “one-month-old babies”? If we abstain or use some other form of birth control, we are preventing any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

The creation of “one-month-old babies” can be viewed as a process, which begins with the ability of a male and a female to engage in sexual activity and which, sometimes, ends in the creation of “one-month-old babies”. This process may be ended, terminated, truncated, aborted at any point during that process.

The methods vary from deciding not to engage in such activity, the use of contraceptives, and the employment of physical and/or chemical efforts.
Each method prevents any possibility of “one-month-old babies”.

mz
07/24/09

%*� the heck?!?!?

jaunte Sat, Aug 13, 2011 8:00:45pm

About Dr. Jen Gunter:

Dr. Gunter was born and raised in Winnipeg, Canada and graduated from The University of Manitoba School of Medicine in 1990 at the age of 23. In 1995 she completed her OB/GYN training at the University of Western Ontario and moved to the United States to complete a fellowship in infectious diseases at the University of Kansas. After completing her fellowship she continued her studies in pain medicine and currently is the only OB/GYN in the United States who is board certified in both OB/GYN and pain medicine. Dr. Gunter is one of the select few physicians in the United States who holds four board certifications.[Link: www.preemieprimer.com...]

Romantic Heretic Sat, Aug 13, 2011 8:13:01pm

Mikie? That was an amazing piece of rhetoric you posted there. You should be a politician.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Aug 13, 2011 8:34:27pm

re: #17 Rightwingconspirator