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1 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:07:37pm


2 maryatexitzero  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:36:06pm

His skin color looks pretty good, kinda ruddy for a near-dead guy. His son and the lady in the background keep looking away from the camera, eyes darting furtively as they try not to appear to be out of breath. It probably took a few minutes to rig up that 'sickbed'. I call b.s. Even if this POS 'dies', I'd bet good money that his long lost twin will resurface in a couple of years living in Beirut or Saudi Arabia. Or maybe he'll resurface in Libya, claiming amnesia or a miracle cure? Even his mother looks mildly bemused...

3 maryatexitzero  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:36:58pm

Oh, and if he's been on oxygen the whole time, and if it's the only thing keeping him alive, why is he clean-shaven?

4 researchok  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 6:45:12pm
Al-Megrahi has been subject of bitter dispute
But the National Transitional Council, the rebel movement that toppled Gadhafi, announced Sunday that it won't allow the dying al-Megrahi to be extradited.

"We will not give any Libyan citizen to the West," NTC Justice Minister Mohammed al-Alagi said.

So much for the hope of a civilized society.

I wonder how much the rest of this endeavor will cost us.

5 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Aug 28, 2011 8:27:55pm

Yeah ... You'll have to excuse me if I don't give this guy the benefit of the doubt. Especially in his "palatial" estate.

6 CarolJ  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:50:03am

Given the nature of the regime, I bet a lot of Libyans feel that he's the fall guy for higher ups who were never punished. So the Revolutionary Council is avoiding the issue. Besides, sending him back-indeed, dealing with him-means using resources that are better used elsewhere. The best thing is to let the West deal with him, if the West chooses to do so. If he dies, so be it. In any event his patron is now unable to do more for him, and his supplies are dwindling everyday.

7 CarolJ  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:52:33am

Ghadaffi really is a piece of work, isn't he? Usually there are accounts of a fallen leader who was at least nice to those who served him. Hitler's servants stayed loyal. Others said he was nice to Eva and his dog. This guy gets overthrown, and the consistent stories are of being privately greedy and abusive, not just corrupt and dictatorial.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:06:59am

As of this moment, there's actually no credible evidence that Megrahi had anything to do with the Lockerbie bombing, the case is based on an identification by a witness with credibility problems.

Here's a small collection of my comments on that case:


9 CarolJ  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:10:12am

Not only that,but the general consensus is that he was working for Ghadaffi, not on his own, anyway. We Americans tend to have forgotten that. And given the nature of the regime, could he have refused to do so and his family live?

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:19:18am

re: #9 CarolJ

Not only that,but the general consensus is that he was working for Ghadaffi, not on his own, anyway. We Americans tend to have forgotten that. And given the nature of the regime, could he have refused to do so and his family live?

I have no idea whether Kaddafi was involved with the Lockerbie bombing. I don't give a damn about a political consensus as long as it's not based on facts. It's true that Libya took responsibility - but without admitting guilt. Basically, they paid off to end the sanctions, and people like Saif were always saying that Libya doesn't admit guilt and pays only because it's in its interest to do so.

Given the non-credible nature of evidence against Megrahi (and need I remind this his alleged co-conspirator Fhimah was actually found innocent despite all the "evidence"?), as well as a key witness admitting to lying on the stand during the trial about they key piece of evidence linking the bombing to Libya (in the links above search for info on Lumpert), the link between Kaddafi and the bombing is more tenuous than ever.

From what I've seen, it is just as possible that it was the Palestinian terrorist Abu Talb who organized the bombing, and Abu Talb was working for Iran. Iran had an obvious motive: revenge for the flight 655.

11 CarolJ  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:38:36am

It sounds tenative at best, and in any case, the guy one way or another would have been ordered, sent, or otherwise not an independent actor who could have made his own choices. And given what was said about the testimony, things get even more dubious.

Why would Ghadaffi have paid the money if he wasn't at least plotting something?

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:47:46am

re: #11 CarolJ

I'm only saying that him paying off doesn't prove anything either way. Libya had sanctions imposed on it so they had to pay one way or another. Consider the recent Russian spies in the US case. They were exchanged for alleged US spies imprisoned in Russia. One of those was scientist Igor Sutyagin, who was not a spy and whose conviction was a miscarriage of justice. But as a condition of his exchange for one of the Russian spies he actually had to sign a paper admitting his guilt. Does that make him a spy? No. He has to do it for overwhelming reasons.

Maybe Libya did the bombing. Maybe Iran. Maybe they cooperated. E.g. there is evidence from a high-ranking Iranian intelligence officer who defected to the West that Iran asked Libya to assist a Palestinian terrorist (Abu Nidal) with the bombing. This may suggest a mixed version.

There are many variants, and I'm not gonna stick to simplistic "Kaddafi ordered it, it is proven" just because there is such an alleged consensus in some limited circles. There was a consensus about Iraqi WMDs too (again, in some limited circles), see how well that turned out. If Kaddafi did, indeed, have anything to do with it, we may learn in the coming months, as his residences are being captured.

13 CarolJ  Mon, Aug 29, 2011 2:00:36am

And whatever happened, it wasn't just one guy. When Kadaffi
s papers are finally translated, and other senior officers questioned (the ones who survive) then there will be more clarity about what happened, why, and if Libya had anything to do with it.

Iran certainly had motivation in the Lockerbie bombing as well. It could be that Libya though was part of the planning or helped with some of the logistics, or agreed to provide a fall guy in cooperation with other partners, and admitting guilt was done to protect other participants. We shall soon see.

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