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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:05:13am

> Recommending books from Anti Semite Authors

Such as?

2 theheat  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 6:05:28am

Rah, rah, rah, it's great to be born fair skinned and blue eyed. (Lemme grab my little flag here and start waving.)

I have a different idea. Let's assume all cultures and religions are inherently flawed, look to your neighbor on the right and left, and try to move forward by not repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Find some common ground, admit your shortcomings, pool your strengths, and evolve. It's the refusal of evolution/change and openmindedness that keeps people in all these different camps; it's not as simple as one being better than another.

3 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 7:54:56am

The only way these people can come to their conclusions is if they completely disregard all Anthropology and scientific research over the past 100 years. But then again, disregard is considered and noble skill with these people.

4 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 8:53:15am

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Jean Raspail is anti-semitic on the grounds of being an ethnic and cultural 'purist'-- see his essay The Fatherland Betrayed By The Republic. In addition, his novel is a fantasy of a restoration of a Catholic monarchy.

Regnery Press has a lot of tacitly anti-semitic books, attacking 'elites' who have a high percentage of Jewishness, biographies of Lindbergh covered up his anti-semitism, etc.

I would classify most of these people as white supremacists, some of them as white catholic supremacists (which is always weird, given the Catholic church's official stance that race does not matter at all) more than anti-semites.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:07:40am

re: #4 Obdicut

Maybe, I don't know who Raspail is, but there is no claim in the article itself that that writers Spencer quotes are antisemitic, and it is by no means obvious given their obscurity, so asking for justification of such a claim is natural.

6 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:12:18am

re: #5 Sergey Romanov

I agree. I mean, anti-semitic is a little more specific than these assholes, who tend to cloak themselves in the veil of 'judeo-christian'.

7 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:16:04am

re: #4 Obdicut

I found the article, and while it is the usual nationalist crap, I don't see antisemitism in it.

8 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:22:49am

re: #7 Sergey Romanov

Well, in that he's bemoaning the death of French culture from outsiders, and given the traditional view of the French that the Jews are outsiders, I think it's tacitly there, as I said. As a Jew, if i were living in France and read it, I'd feel his views were threatening. I guess it depends how you're defining anti-semitism.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:38:01am

re: #8 Obdicut

It is clear that he is against the third-world immigration though. And unless he does specifically (even if implicitly) write against Jews as Jews, I don't see how it is antisemitism. "He thinks of Jews as outsiders and writes against outsiders, so he writes against Jews too, so he is an antisemite" doesn't work in my book - there is a lack of necessary specificity. It's like accusing a misanthrope of antisemitism - sure, he does hate Jews, but then he hates everybody else (except himself) too.

There is a good chance he is an antisemite though (such people tend to be), but not proven.

10 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:56:12am

re: #9 Sergey Romanov

I think it's a lot more fair to think that someone railing against outsiders to their culture in a country with a history of persecuting Jews as outsiders to their culture is positing something antisemitic than to think a general misanthrope is.

I agree there's a lack of specificity.

11 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:57:48am

Willis Carto, you could look it up. VDARE, you could look it up.

12 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 9:59:00am
13 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:00:08am

I agree that the article could have been more specific by tying this in a bow, but you shouldn't be questioning it Sergey.

14 KingKenrod  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:03:50am

What exactly makes Regnery Press white supremacist? The SPLC link goes to an entry for William Regnery II, who is undoubtedly a white supremacist, but he does not decide what Regnery Press publishes. The Occidental Quarterly is a racist journal run by William Regnery II, but it is not published by Regnery Press. It looks like Regnery publishes a lot of trashy right-wing books, I just don't know why they are being called out as white supremacists. Is "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Western Civilization" a white supremacist book?

15 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:18:32am

re: #14 KingKenrod

Regnery publishes Ann Coulter, who has praised Council of Conservative Citizens in her books, a white nationalist group. He published anti-bombing books (the only books I am aware of him publishing from Socialist authors) during WWII, he billed himself as not being sympathetic to nazis, but rather sympathetic to Germans. He publishes other authors who write for white nationalist rags like VDARE. The third book he published was "The Hitler in Ourselves".

16 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:24:18am

There's also books from birchers and others iirc, this list could go on a long ways with a bit of research.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:25:48am

Now, this of course, it what catches my eye: “No one even whispers the possibility that the achievements of one group in a given area (for instance, medieval Christians) might actually surpass those of another group. No one even dares to think that there might be better indicators of the quality of an endeavor than the number of different ethnicities of the people involved.”

Medieval Christians are not, actually, who I would point to as an example of a high-water moment in achievement on any front.

I love the culture, mind you, I've studied it all my life, and it's fascinating on many levels, but I'm hard-pressed to find any one factor (other than, "I like them!") that makes them stand out as a better culture or a more high-achieving civilization than many, many others. Cathedral-building, I suppose, but when you set Rheims against the Taj Mahal, the Taj is bigger, and arguably more beautiful, although that is purely a matter of taste.

The other interesting part, of course, is that I know precisely who he's talking about when he says "Medieval Christians", but of course, that's not an ethnicity or nationality. There were black medieval Christians, and Arab medieval Christians, and others. They were cool people, just not demonstrably higher achievers than their Jewish, Muslim, pagan, Zoroastrian, animist or other neighbors. All these cultures interacted and borrowed from one another.

And frankly, for a lot of human history, China just makes the rest of us look sick and tired. That's pretty much a fact.

As for who's a white supremacist and who's not, I'll defer to you more expert types. I know of Raspail because his book is popular with FrontPageMag and PajamasMedia types, and is now seen as a sort of prophetic piece about bleeding-heart liberals letting Muslims take over France.

I've been meaning to read it, but I've been meaning to read a lot of things, and I'm looking forward to most of them more.

18 Randall Gross  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:39:53am

Regnery Publishes Pat Buchanan, usually with red, black, and white covers.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:51:15am

re: #18 Thanos

Regnery Publishes Pat Buchanan, usually with red, black, and white covers.

The South Park episode where Cartman leads an (unwitting) Nazi march was on last night...

...this is apropos of nothing much, except I wish that Pat Buchanan was also fictional...

20 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 12:02:26pm

Were these books sold in white dust sheets?

21 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:53:49pm
No one even whispers the possibility that the achievements of one group in a given area (for instance, medieval Christians) might actually surpass those of another group.

Medieval Christians? Achievements? You mean like when the largest cities in Europe were barely 10,000 people while in the Muslim world they got as large as a million? When the main library in Toledo had more books than all of Europe, and there were 60 other libraries in the city?

Those achievements?

22 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 11, 2011 3:55:10am

re: #11 Thanos

Willis Carto, you could look it up. VDARE, you could look it up.

I know very well who Carto is. What books by Willis Carto were recommended? What does VDARE have to do with my initial question (which still stands)?

23 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Nov 11, 2011 3:55:44am

re: #13 Thanos

I agree that the article could have been more specific by tying this in a bow, but you shouldn't be questioning it Sergey.


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