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1 Bob Levin  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:32:04pm

It's important to realize that these techniques were developed by escaped Nazi war criminals, who happened to possess these skills, which dictators found to be practical and useful.

2 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:45:01pm

In that part of the world, savagery is the norm. That is why Israel has permission to do whatever they need to in order to survive. Because the only people the Sunnis and Shiites hate more than each other are the Jews.

3 Bob Levin  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 1:43:46pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

I'll disagree. I think the Jew hatred papers over some much deeper, and more powerful conflicts within the Arab world. And those countries simply cannot contain the passions of those deeper rifts--which explains so much of the recent history of the Middle East. Israel gets more headlines, Israel has been in a constant state of low energy war--kept in check by those other conflicts. How many meetings of the Arab League and OPEC have ended in chaos.

Even in Israel, which conflict is most intense--Israel/Fatah, Israel/Hamas, Hamas/Fatah?

4 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 2:03:14pm

I don't disagree with you at all. My point is that hatred of Jews is the ONLY thing that binds together all the factions in that region. Since Israel can protect itself, the others are left to battle among themselves. So if israel were weakened too much, the others would put their own differences aside and unite to fight an Israel they thought they could defeat. I think we basically agree.

By the way, nice little essay from you on Pujols the other day. Are you a longtime Cardinals fan?

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 5:27:48pm

I have a hard time believe that EVERY Muslim is preoccupied with Jew Hatred. Many have leaders who use Jew hatred as a means to gain and keep power. It just seems so unnecessary.

6 Bob Levin  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 5:36:31pm

re: #5 ggt

They're not. It's more like when two people are together, and there's an awkward silence, and both people try to figure out something to say--that's always a safe topic. And, again, it's not necessarily a Muslim thing. It's a thing that develops under tyrannies, it's a thing that develops in cultures where water is scarce.

7 Bob Levin  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 5:55:56pm

re: #4 _RememberTonyC

My dad grew up living next to the Hamilton Hotel in St. Louis. That's where the Cardinals used to live. So he'd be on the front porch playing around Rogers Hornsby. You tell me if I grew up as a Cardinal fan. ;-)

And thank you for the compliment. I could have written more--about this strange relationship between Christianity and baseball. You might want to elaborate on this. There's this strange marriage of 'respect for the game', meaning, don't antagonize the baseball gods, who are very real to major league players (I've seen enough baseball to the point that it's even plausible to me), and pointing heavenwards--a lot. It's hard to know which deities players fear the most. I'm guessing it's the baseball gods, who are not merciful.

So, the alternative to antagonizing the baseball gods is to publicly say how much you've prayed about a difficult decision, rather than honestly state the cold realities of the decision making process. The reality is that the Cardinals, at best, would only be able to surround Albert with 8 pretty good players--if they draft well, make the right trades and pickups. But the Angels can surround Albert with 8 very good players and a great pitching staff. Everyone knew this.

To publicly say this would definitely antagonize the baseball gods. To say, I want to go into Yankee stadium and challenge ARod or Mariano to a duel, definitely antagonizes the baseball gods.

The Nyjer Morgan tweets put the fear of the gods into every player, even more so than before.

8 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 6:01:26pm

The first world series I ever covered was in 1982 between the Cardinals and Milwaukee. it was a classic Series, won by STL in seven games. Whitey Herzog was a trip ... The most foul mouthed man I ever covered.

9 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 7:17:15pm

Pure evil.

10 Bob Levin  Sun, Dec 11, 2011 8:21:01pm

re: #8 _RememberTonyC

For the baseball world, that's saying a lot.


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