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1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:38:15pm

Republicans would never do something like this. If the positions were reversed, they'd add new language that was even more offensive.

2 neilk  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:43:14pm

Nothing makes the wingers angrier than when Obama listens to their constructive criticism

3 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:48:26pm

I understand why the Democrats need to do this - but it is because the USA is still composed of a sizable population of wing nuts and thus the Democrats need to inoculate themselves against the crazies - and America it seems has lots of crazies that vote.

4 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:24:47pm

re: #3 Destro

I understand why the Democrats need to do this - but it is because the USA is still composed of a sizable population of wing nuts and thus the Democrats need to inoculate themselves against the crazies - and America it seems has lots of crazies that vote.

I am not a wingnut, nor am I a crazy, nor a Republican and neither are the Democrats who voted to put the language back. They did it because Jerusalem IS the capitol of Israel!

Obama, himself, personally wanted the language changed back and didn't know why it was changed in the first place.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Campaign officials say President Barack Obama personally intervened to change language in his party’s platform on Jerusalem and God.

Democrats amended their convention platform Wednesday to add a mention on God and declare that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

The officials said Obama’s reaction on the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place.

GOP challenger Mitt Romney said omitting a reference to God suggested Democrats were out of touch with mainstream America. Republicans also said omitting a reference to Jerusalem showed Obama was weak on Israel.

The officials requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about private discussions.

Talk that Obama is weak on Israel is more BS by the Republicans to sway Jewish votes. It doesn't match anything the President has done to support Israel, more than any other President before him.

Ehud Barak on Obama.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense Ehud Barak said Monday that when it comes to his nation’s security, the Obama administration is doing “more than anything that I can remember in the past.”

“I think that from my point of view as defense minister they are extremely good, extremely deep and profound,” Barak, a former Israeli prime minister, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “I can see long years, um, administrations of both sides of political aisle deeply supporting the state of Israeli and I believe that reflects a profound feeling among the American people. But I should tell you honestly that this administration under President Obama is doing in regard to our security more than anything that I can remember in the past.”

And if that upsets anyone, too bad.

5 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:54:41pm

Disappointing. God should have no place in a political platform, at all.

6 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:59:25pm

re: #4 What, me worry?

Adding the language AFTER THE FACT is actually the problem more so than the capital and god statement because it makes Obama seem to capitulate to GOP pressure (something many say Obama seems to do a lot to the GOP when they get in crazy mode).

Putting this language in has nothing do with where the capital of a foreign country is or if there is a God but to inoculate Obama from charges he is a secret Muslim or atheist (contradictory ideas but does not seem to bother the birthers) who hates Israel.

There is a reason every president since Israel was founded has declared Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and that we will move our embassy there but has not done so. I don't even think Romney would be crazy enough to do so even if he won despite his strong statements that he would.

7 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:00:36pm

re: #5 Obdicut

I don't mind God being in the platform - adding it after the fact (as a sign of feared intimidation by the GOP) is what is bad.

8 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:01:23pm

re: #2 neilk

Nothing makes the wingers angrier than when Obama listens to their constructive criticism

They view it as weakness on Obama's part. That he capitulated.

9 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:01:44pm

re: #7 Destro

I don't mind God being in the platform - adding it after the fact as a sign of feared intimidation by the GOP is what is bad.

No, it's bad to have any language about god in there. We have a secular government, and the parties should act like it. The Democrats are far better than the GOP on this, but they're still far too allowing of religious logic in government.

10 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:03:53pm

re: #9 Obdicut

No, it's bad to have any language about god in there. We have a secular government, and the parties should act like it. The Democrats are far better than the GOP on this, but they're still far too allowing of religious logic in government.

I agree with all you said. But from a political gamesmanship angle it is bad also.

11 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:09:33pm

re: #6 Destro

Adding the language AFTER THE FACT is actually the problem more so than the capital and god statement because it makes Obama seem to capitulate to GOP pressure (something many say Obama seems to do a lot to the GOP when they get in crazy mode).

Putting this language in has nothing do with where the capital of a foreign country is or if there is a God but to inoculate Obama from charges he is a secret Muslim or atheist (contradictory ideas but does not seem to bother the birthers) who hates Israel.

There is a reason every president since Israel was founded has declared Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and that we will move our embassy there but has not done so. I don't even think Romney would be crazy enough to do so even if he won despite his strong statements that he would.

The language regarding Jerusalem was there when Obama took office in 2008 and then removed. So I don't know what you mean by "after the fact." You can believe it's some sort of conspiracy to whore for votes, but I'm not nearly as cynical for the obvious reason that Obama has been so amazingly good to Israel.

No president can move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem unless Israel wants to move it. So all the American votes and bruhaha about it isn't going to change anything. All of Israel's government buildings are in Jerusalem. It is the capitol.

The God statement is pretty innocuous and about as important as the statement "In God We Trust."

"We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values and interests of working people and gives everyone wiling to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential."

12 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:12:51pm

re: #11 What, me worry?

So I don't know what you mean by "after the fact."

Then you don't know what happened then. The platform was finished and GOP attacked it and the Democrats revised it after the fact to deprive the GOP of a talking point. Platforms from the past are not carried over into the next elections.

13 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:22:43pm

re: #12 Destro

Then you don't know what happened then. The platform was finished and GOP attacked it and the Democrats revised it after the facts. Platforms from the past are not carried over into the next elections.

When was the language removed? I can't find it. Still looking.

14 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:25:46pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Disappointing. God should have no place in a political platform, at all.

Sorry, I'm with the President on this. It's a small harmless gesture of respect to the many quite ordinary non theocratic people of faith in this country. People that believe in God, and still want a secular government with the separation of church and state intact. Our President is a man of faith. That's not a bad thing. For the platform to reflect the views of the sitting President is not a bad thing.

15 Destro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:19:16pm

re: #13 What, me worry?

When was the language removed? I can't find it. Still looking.

Language was ADDED not removed.

16 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:51:15pm

re: #15 Destro

Language was ADDED not removed.

No, it was put back after it was removed. And I don't know when it was removed.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

For years, both parties’ official platforms have mentioned that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel as part of an effort to show unflagging support to the country (and to garner support with Jewish voters). In 2008, the Democratic Party’s platform said “Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.”

Also, in June 2008, Abbas got pissed at Obama for stating the same.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:15:58pm

re: #16 What, me worry?

No, it was put back after it was removed. And I don't know when it was removed.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Also, in June 2008, Abbas got pissed at Obama for stating the same.

Year in, year out, election come, election go. Same story: candidate and Congress support Jerusalem as capital, elected president keeps the embassy in Tel Aviv.

Which is why I was so cynical when people were running around insisting that Mitt really meant it this time, they could tell, more than Obama did.

18 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:48:27am

Once again, we see that politics has much in common with sausage making. It's an often ugly process, even though the outcome ends up being pleasing. What should have been handled and addressed before the platform was agreed upon at the outset of the convention became a huge mess for the Democrats. The voice vote indicated that there was some opposition to the reinclusion of the statement on Jerusalem and the inclusion of God into the platform.

Restoring the language on Jerusalem is something that reasserts that the President gets to control the conversation - the platform is in line with his beliefs on Israel, undermining an argument that the GOP had been using on Obama being weak on Israel (despite that the Dem platform was quite vigorous in its defense of Israel).

The omission of language on Jerusalem handed the GOP a cudgel to try and split off some Jewish voters, especially in the battleground state of Florida. If a small percentage are swayed by the GOP argument that Mitt would be stronger on Israel than Obama, it could shift the state, especially if the vote is close. It was an unforced error and the handling of that issue was a mess, but it can be contained.

The optics on the issue make the Democrats look bad, but they could turn around and spin this to their advantage tonight with the President's speech. If he touches on it, indicating that he was the one who wanted it put back in, then he gets to reset the message and spin in his favor.

19 Buck  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:23:33am

I think the relevant question is why was the sentence about Jerusalem removed. As well as the part about Hamas (which has not been added back).

I am not saying that Obama has anything to with it. However it is clear that putting it back in did NOT get a 2/3rds affirmative.

I am saying that taking it out represents the views of a huge number of Democrats, and that is where they break from the President.

I like this sentence from the Republican platform:

As long as its scandal-ridden management continues, as long as some of the world’s worst tyrants hold seats on its Human Rights Council, and as long as Israel is treated as a pariah state, the U.N. cannot expect the full support of the American people.

True words.

20 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:00:25am

It's not Israel that's drawing Jews to be Republican. It's paying less taxes. In both Bush terms, more Jews were drawn to the Right because they paid less tax. Otherwise, there's nothing about the Republican party that has anything remotely to do with Jewish values. Under Romney/Ryan, we will see the end to Medicare, Medicaid and social security. By repealing ACA, they will send people back into bankruptcy or worse. They are doing what they do best, attack the most vulnerable (sick, elderly, children), the planet, public education, energy and technology sectors. They will fix our problems on the backs of the weakest. What part of that is Jewish?

The 2010 Census (PDF) says that Jews make up 3.3% of Florida's population. If the state goes Red (Gd forbid), it won't be our fault.

21 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:03:25am

re: #19 Buck

I think the relevant question is why was the sentence about Jerusalem removed. As well as the part about Hamas (which has not been added back).

I am not saying that Obama has anything to with it. However it is clear that putting it back in did NOT get a 2/3rds affirmative.

I am saying that taking it out represents the views of a huge number of Democrats, and that is where they break from the President.

I like this sentence from the Republican platform:

True words.

I don't care why it was removed, but it's back now and that's good. Quite frankly, I don't even care if it was a political move to garner Jewish votes. I like Obama. I'm voting for Obama and anything he can legally do to appeal to more people, I support 100%.


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