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1 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 6:32:53am

Thanos was right. I wish I could say I'm surprised. *sigh*

2 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 6:46:56am

re: #1 CuriousLurker

Yes, sad to say.

I can't help but wonder if the producers of this schlock were trying to provoke a reaction among American Muslims; you know, something so they could see, "See?! We told you all the Muslims are crazy!!"

The story is unfolding, including that a person previously named as connected to the production, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, seems to have had some big-time legal problems involving the Feds, for which he's apparently currently on probation.

I suspect Thanos was right indeed; we may well find the hands of Messrs Horowitz and Ahmanson behind all this. I can't say I'd be shocked if Geller and Spencer played a role as well, even if indirectly.

3 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:28:18am
professional Islamophobia industry

Bingo! While some of these yokels are probably quite sincere in their hatred and racism, there's no doubt some want to profit from others' hatred and racism. I mean, millions of dollars for a two-bit YouTube video?

4 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:56:34am

This is not good news for Nasralla.

"Nakoula pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges in California and was ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution. He was sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and ordered not to use computers, the Internet or online user or screen names for five years without approval from his probation officer. He is still on probation, according to court records.
The YouTube account under the username "Sam Bacile," which was used to publish excerpts of the provocative movie in July, was used again as recently as this week.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Administrative Office of the Courts, which oversees federal probation offices, and a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Los Angeles, which prosecuted Nakoula, declined to discuss his case Thursday. Under court rules, the government may ask a judge to send a convict back to prison if there is probable cause to show that probation conditions were violated."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

5 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:24:02am

re: #3 wheatdogg

I would be flabbergasted if the spent "millions" to make this, unless it's a scam, a la The Producers.

It looks to me like this cost $1.98. Ed Wood wouldn't put his name on this film. Hell, even Alan Smithee would hang his head in shame.

6 CarleeCork  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:10:05am

How would Christians react if Muslims put together a "film" depicting Christ as a bisexual having sex with men?

7 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:18:23am

re: #2 Dr Lizardo

I can't help but wonder if the producers of this schlock were trying to provoke a reaction among American Muslims; you know, something so they could see, "See?! We told you all the Muslims are crazy!!" [...]

I suspect Thanos was right indeed; we may well find the hands of Messrs Horowitz and Ahmanson behind all this. I can't say I'd be shocked if Geller and Spencer played a role as well, even if indirectly.

If they're teamed up with people like Geller, Spencer and Horowitz, then their hatred knows no bounds. This particular bunch seems more intent on stirring up trouble overseas—in Egypt specifically, the rest being a "bonus".

There's a LOT of bad blood between Copts & Muslims. I can attest to that personally having lived in Atlantic City & Jersey City and seen it with my own eyes. Jersey City in particular has a large Egyptian community, many of whom are Copts. Being an American female & convert to Islam, I was fairly regularly treated to stories from both sides—whether I was supposed to feel incredibly lucky & blessed, or in mortal danger due to my choice to convert to Islam, depended on who I was talking to. Obviously, not everyone felt the need to harp on that stuff, but enough did that it became tiresome.

That bad blood goes back centuries, which is why I think this particular group is probably more focused on paying back Egyptian Muslims. Horowitz & Co. are the ones focused on us (American Muslims), but I suspect they'll assist anyone who wants to aggravate Muslims anywhere, just for shits & giggles.

As has been noted here before, the haters on both sides (jihadis/Islamists and counter-jihadis/Islamophobes) are much more alike than they are different. It's sad, and it seems to be evolving in a very dangerous way now.

The Islamophobic counter-jihadis have been reaching out to the far right in Europe for a while now. Add in the Christian fundies (some of whom are U.S. politicians) teaming up with the Geller types (anti-mosque protests & lawsuits, anti-sharia legislation & creeping sharia fearmongering) and reaching out to far right/Kahanist types in Israel. Now add disaffected Arab Christians who see the Arab Spring as an opportunity for payback, then top it all off with the Muslim jihadis and...it doesn't bode well for all the moderate people caught in the middle.

These people are ALL extremists and are ALL looking for a fight to the death from which they emerge victorious, righteously wielding the reins of power that God promised them because they are special.

The world is divided into people who think they are right. —Anonymous

8 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:34:15am

re: #6 CarleeCork

How would Christians react if Muslims put together a "film" depicting Christ as a bisexual having sex with men?

They would be calling for us to nuke them.

9 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:12:22am

re: #7 CuriousLurker

I totally agree.

When I converted to Islam my Sheik warned me, in no uncertain terms, of Salafists. He called them, "Agents of the Devil" and had minimal patience with them.

He was a Sufi, and I'm sure that had a good deal to do with his negative feelings toward Salafists, seeing as Sufis are often on the receiving end of Salafist bullets, RPG's, bombs, etc.

But his warning against extremism, in any form, religious or political, certainly stuck with me.


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