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1 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:33:27pm

ok fuck jpost

2 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:44:15pm

The Swiss have maintained a tri-cultural confederacy for 700 years.

3 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:48:18pm

So it wasn't Breivik's political ideas about the need for cultural purity that were wrong, he just chose to express them a little too forcefully?

What a load of utterly contemptible crap.

It isn't an Op-Ed this time either, this really is the JP editorial board's view...sheesh.

4 BishopX  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:33:24pm

Heck, is they think eight percent is bad, what do they think about the population Israel?

5 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:33:54pm

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

6 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:49:29pm

I don't care if his manifesto consists entirely of verbatim quotes from my LGF posts, this monster has forfeited his right to be heard. To hell with him.

7 jvic  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:23:37pm

JPost:

Without a shared cultural foundation, no meaningful communication among diverse groups is possible, Sen has argued.

That's not what Sen says. Short version here; long, here. JPost:

...those who would cover up the abject failure of multiculturalism.

Sen doesn't consider multiculturalism a failure. From my FT link:

What is needed now is not an abandonment of multiculturalism, nor the dumping of the goal of equality irrespective of “racial or ethnic origins, language, or religious affiliation”, but the overcoming of the two confusions that have done so much harm already.

The two confusions asserted by Sen are described in his articles.

8 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:31:57pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

The Swiss have maintained a tri-cultural confederacy for 700 years.

Not so. Swiss culture is Swiss. Same goes for Canada. Having two languages does not bust having one culture---bearing in mind that any culture is a tapestry and will have some threads that go off on tangents.

Also look at Belgium, China (two spoken languages), and the U.S. (Spanish+English.) There is no yawning cultural chasm in any of those nations. Nothing like what is found in some of these chronically turbulent nations.

9 BishopX  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 4:56:40am

re: #8 lostlakehiker

Uh dude... look at China, people are setting themselves on fire, building homemande cannons to fend of the government and protesters are kidnapped if they try and petition the central government.

Belgium has a thriving Flemish separatist movement.

These might not be the best example of cultural solidarity.

10 Destro  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:19:10am

re: #9 BishopX

How can Orthodox religious Jews be considered the same culture as secular westernized Jews in Israel? Wait for Israel to break up?

11 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:32:55am

re: #8 lostlakehiker

Culture is something you can divide down as small as you want or as big as you want. But yeah, the idea that China doesn't have yawning cultural chasms is just bizarre. I can't think of a country with more cultural chasms, not even the US. Function of size, really.

12 Howl  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 5:43:38am

re: #8 lostlakehiker

Actually you are wrong. China has a dozen or more spoken dialects that are mutually unintelligible from each other.

13 Destro  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 6:59:21am

re: #11 Obdicut

The notion that multicultural entities weaken a nation rather than strengthen it is false.

What usually happens is you get a syncratic melting pot. Rome becoming Christian, Mithra worship, adoption of Greek philosophy, etc.

It actually strengthens a culture to be multicultural.

Usually the most vibrant culture is the one that is open to outside influence. The closed off cultures become dead ends.

Arab Islamic culture was at its height when it was open to being Hellenized (some scholars say Islam was Hellenized the way Rome was) , etc.

ENgland is cool now because it was open to outside influences the way the USA back in the 60s was not. The British invasion in music happened because British kids were exposed to a culture that was alien (American blues) when in the USA it was still taboo (the 50s wave of Rock&Roll had waned) and then we have hip hop, etc.

14 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 7:03:45am

re: #13 Destro

The notion that multicultural entities weaken a nation rather than strengthen it is false.

It doesn't do either. We're all multicultural and the culture changes constantly. People get hung up on this stuff. Japan did fine as a nation for a hell of a long time in complete isolation. Byzantium did fine with a huge collection of cultures. We're all just humans.

15 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:23:40am

re: #12 Howl

Welcome, hatchling.


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