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1 stabby  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:53:49pm

Very sad.

No one can explain Adam Lanza besides God and Adam Lanza, and I don’t even think Adam Lanza could explain Adam Lanza, to be honest with you.

That's a more honest assessment than I'm used to reading.

2 researchok  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:14:31pm

There is no one reason this happened.

And we'll never know what was going on in his head that day.

We can only speculate, but in the end the problem of gun violence will outlive Adam Lanza.

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 4:26:13pm

This is totally hearsay evidence, from someone who's not part of the family, just a supposed acquaintance. Could be true, but without corroboration from somewhere else I'd advise caution.

4 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:08:01pm

This seems related to the diversionary argument that we don't need gun control, we need better public mental health.

Ms. Lanza received about $280,000/year in alimony alone. She could have afforded any mental health care for her son that she wanted.

5 stabby  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:18:01pm

re: #4 ReamWorks SKG

How is this a "diversionary" tactic? I don't see anything in that article about him being poorly treated, just that he was on track to being committed and "was apparently very upset about this".

You're projecting things into the story that aren't written on the page.

6 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:37:25pm

re: #5 stabby

How is this a "diversionary" tactic? I don't see anything in that article about him being poorly treated, just that he was on track to being committed and "was apparently very upset about this".

You're projecting things into the story that aren't written on the page.

Agreed. The article deals with the killer's motive, which is a relevant point in its own right.

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:42:22pm

I would also note that the source (Joshua Flashman) is a United States Marine. This is relevant because it means that he would be in a great deal of trouble were to be found to have lied about this. The USMC values candor highly, and that must be counted in favor of his credibility.

8 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 5:53:13pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I would also note that the source (Joshua Flashman) is a United States Marine. This is relevant because it means that he would be in a great deal of trouble were to be found to have lied about this. The USMC values candor highly, and that must be counted in favor of his credibility.

He's not a source, he's a conduit. He says, "From what I've been told..." and doesn't say by whom. He wouldn't be lying if whoever it was really told him stuff.

Besides, Oliver North was a Marine, and he admitted to lying.

9 Joanne  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 6:36:12pm

How is it diversionary? Guns don't kill people, people kill people (often with guns). Sick people are the problem! We don't need to have a assault weapons ban! It is those mental cases. They're lone killers. They're sick.

Watch what the NRA says on Friday.

Let's return to this again then, shall we?

10 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:21:10pm

re: #5 stabby

It's related to the diversionary tactic; it's not the diversionary tactic. In fact, it'd take away from the diversionary argument if it were true.

11 Aligarr  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:28:45pm

At any rate TWO things are obvious , the kid didn't get the treatrment he needed , Mom knowing this should have had the guns under lock and key .

12 Aligarr  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:29:54pm

There are usually THREE events or circumstances that lead to every accident/and /or tragedy .

13 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:57:04pm

re: #9 Joanne

How is it diversionary? Guns don't kill people, people kill people (often with guns). Sick people are the problem! We don't need to have a assault weapons ban! It is those mental cases. They're lone killers. They're sick.

Watch what the NRA says on Friday.

Let's return to this again then, shall we?

Said another way: However deadly the gun is, it's just a bunch of parts fitted together without a person to fire it. The ultimate issue is not the weapon, but the mind behind it.

14 calochortus  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 8:10:46pm

re: #4 ReamWorks SKG

Ms. Lanza received about $280,000/year in alimony alone. She could have afforded any mental health care for her son that she wanted.

Getting a meaningful diagnosis and an effective treatment for a teenager can be extremely difficult.
As a side note, it could be the correct figure, but every time I read about that alimony, the amount given goes up.

15 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 19, 2012 5:59:24am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

The very same argument can be made about biologic, nerve gas, and nuclear weapons, yet it's only sane to discuss how to control and limit those. That argument is specious, and a rw bumper sticker distraction.


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