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1 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:27:20am

Wow, I totally missed this one--thanks for posting it. This is exactly why Charles and others warn people about posting articles from questionable sites. I'm going to bookmark it for next time someone starts whining about that.

I see most of the usual suspects ran with it. I wonder if they'll print retractions. //

2 philosophus invidius  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:18:48am
But one would imagine that if a similar story emerged about a Christian cleric or a Rabbi, someone, somewhere would have paused before posting it.

Not sure I agree with that. Remember the 100 Jewish donors to "Sam Bacile's" movie project? That was in the NY Times!

3 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:35:06am

It's the stories that ARE true about prominent Islamic nations that scare me most - blasphemy laws, the widespread desire for death to apostates, virtual slavery of women, egregiously disgusting attitudes toward science, the obsession with limiting free speech to protect the images of those who died 1300 years ago, jailing people for denying the existence of God, "religious police" forces, 'Muslims only' zones, etc.

No need to invent rumors to see the real horrors of the most universally oppressive religion on Earth.

4 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:39:15am

Here we go again. *sigh*

5 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:48:42am

Amazing how a completely accurate comment gets downdings by people who can't recognize the obvious truth in front of their faces. Amazing how many people enjoy religious oppression as long as its in other people's cultures. Very sad.

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:51:45am

re: #5 SidewaysQuark

Amazing how a completely accurate comment gets downdings by people who can't recognize the obvious truth in front of their faces. Amazing how many people enjoy religious oppression as long as its in other people's cultures. Very sad.

It's attitudes like yours that allow the fake stories to gain traction, then take off and fly around the world.

I bet your attitude is based at least in part on false stories.

What an asshole.

7 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:53:25am

re: #6 wrenchwench

It's attitudes like yours that allow the fake stories to gain traction, then take off and fly around the world.

I bet your attitude is based at least in part on false stories.

What an asshole.

It's attitudes like yours that allow actual atrocities to be given a free pass, and people like you who ignore the real plights of people victimized by tyrants about the world, just so you can smugly sound "culturally sensitive".

What an asshole.

8 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:54:19am

re: #7 SidewaysQuark

It's attitudes like yours that allow actual atrocities to be given a free pass, and people like you who ignore the real plights of people victimized by tyrants about the world, just so you can smugly sound "culturally sensitive".

What an asshole.

The article posted at the top backs my view. What do you have? Links to Robert Spencer?

9 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:55:50am

re: #8 wrenchwench

The article posted at the top backs my view. What do you have? Links to Robert Spencer?

Are you serious? You deny that any of the atrocities I listed actually occur in majority-Muslim countries spanning from Morocco to Indonesia? You seriously can't be that ignorant of world affairs.

10 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:57:04am

re: #5 SidewaysQuark

Amazing how a completely accurate comment gets downdings by people who can't recognize the obvious truth in front of their faces. Amazing how many people enjoy religious oppression as long as its in other people's cultures. Very sad.

You got down-dinged for hyperbolic broad-brushing, not because people here "enjoy religious oppression as long as its in other people's cultures," which is a completely idiotic assertion.

11 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:59:24am

re: #10 CuriousLurker

You got down-dinged for hyperbolic broad-brushing, not because people here "enjoy religious oppression as long as its in other people's cultures," which is a completely idiotic assertion.

Islam as a form of governance is a disaster. Asserting otherwise is idiotic. Of course it's broad brushing, but if you think that mainstream Islam around the world doesn't endorse this sort of behavior, you are unbelievably naive.

12 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 9:59:59am

re: #9 SidewaysQuark

Are you serious? You deny that any of the atrocities I listed actually occur in majority-Muslim countries spanning from Morocco to Indonesia? You seriously can't be that ignorant of world affairs.

Straw man much? *eyeroll*

13 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:01:23am

re: #11 SidewaysQuark

Islam as a form of governance is a disaster. Asserting otherwise is idiotic. Of course it's broad brushing, but if you think that mainstream Islam around the world doesn't endorse this sort of behavior, you are unbelievable naive.

Yet another straw man. Try again.

14 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:03:03am

re: #13 CuriousLurker

Yet another straw man. Try again.

I don't think you understand what a "straw man" is. Please look up your list of logical fallacies you read from Wikipedia again.

15 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:05:49am

re: #14 SidewaysQuark

I don't think you understand what a "straw man" is. Please look up your list of logical fallacies you read from Wikipedia again.

LOL, I don't need to look it up. You're providing perfect examples of it.

16 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:11:14am

re: #15 CuriousLurker

LOL, I don't need to look it up. You're providing perfect examples of it.

You're providing perfect examples of defending "stupid". All religions are stupid and harmful, but the way Islam is practiced around large swaths of the world is disgusting, and as it is practiced in many places, Islam is the worst religion on earth. It takes some bizarre mental contortions for a sane person religion that's driven over 80% of its practitioners in many of its most prevalent nations desire death for apostasy is somehow as good as any other religion, and it's a quite idiotic premise to think religions for some reason must 'all be considered equal', and an even more idiotic premise to think religious ideas deserve 'respect' just because they're 'religious'.

And, no, nothing I said is a 'straw man'. Please improve your logic skills, and stop calling other people assholes when you're apparently much better at it.

17 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:33:51am

re: #1 CuriousLurker

I saw this earlier. I originally believed the story posted earlier by Alternet that actually supported the claim. I'm so glad they corrected themselves. It's pretty much guaranteed that websites like bigoted Jihad Watch that also claimed that Al-Arifi said this, but I doubt that they'll retract it. Yet another reason to trust websites like Alternet over agenda driven hate sites.

18 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:39:57am

re: #16 SidewaysQuark

You're providing perfect examples of defending "stupid". All religions are stupid and harmful, but the way Islam is practiced around large swaths of the world is disgusting, and as it is practiced in many places, Islam is the worst religion on earth. It takes some bizarre mental contortions for a sane person religion that's driven over 80% of its practitioners in many of its most prevalent nations desire death for apostasy is somehow as good as any other religion, and it's a quite idiotic premise to think religions for some reason must 'all be considered equal', and an even more idiotic premise to think religious ideas deserve 'respect' just because they're 'religious'.

And, no, nothing I said is a 'straw man'. Please improve your logic skills, and stop calling other people assholes when you're apparently much better at it.

First of all, I'm not the one who called you an asshole. Try to pay attention.

I've neither called you an asshole nor have I said you're stupid, though I did say your assertion that anyone here enjoys religious oppression was "idiotic".

You can belittle my logic skills all you want, but ad hominem attacks aren't going to work because I really don't give a hairy rat's ass what you think of me personally, and others will recognize them from a mile away.

Nice bit of cherry-picking & misrepresentation regarding the Pew report. It was over 80% in 3 of the 7 countries listed, which hardly constitutes "many of its most prevalent nations":

Views of harsh punishments also vary across the Muslim publics polled. Majorities of Muslims in Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan and Nigeria say they would favor making harsh punishments such as stoning people who commit adultery; whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; and the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion the law
in their country. In the other predominantly Muslim countries surveyed – Turkey, Lebanon and Indonesia – most Muslims oppose these measures.

I'd suggest anyone who's interested actually read the whole report (PDF here). Or, better yet, actually go out and get to know some Muslims in real life.

19 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:40:22am

re: #16 SidewaysQuark

I'm the one that called you an asshole.

You now have provided one link for one assertion. You are taking one Pew survey that cites what you call, "over 80% of its practitioners in many of its most prevalent nations" and it turns out to apply only to Egypt and Jordan in your own link. That could be referred to as 'using a broad brush' Is it made out of straw men?

Did you look at the sample size for those 'national surveys'?

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:40:55am

re: #18 CuriousLurker

Damn, I owe you another Coke.

21 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 10:41:42am

re: #20 wrenchwench

Damn, I owe you another Coke.

You'd better go out an buy a case of 'em. ;)

22 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:14:15am

re: #18 CuriousLurker

I'd suggest anyone who's interested actually read the whole report (PDF here). Or, better yet, actually go out and get to know some Muslims in real life.

I've done it. You don't find it disturbing that 80% of Muslims in Egypt and Jordan want death to apostates, and you really don't think this has to with the fundamentals of their religion? Sounds like you're the one doing the cherry-picking - seems Islam is only peaceful when it's successfully neutered, much as Christianity has been successfully and fortunately neutered in the West.

I've talked to many Muslims in real life. What they say is not too encouraging. Most hate Israel, don't believe in evolution, and believe in prison time for blaspheming their religion.

Sounds like it's you who needs to get out more.

23 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:18:19am

re: #19 wrenchwench

I'm the one that called you an asshole.

You now have provided one link for one assertion. You are taking one Pew survey that cites what you call, "over 80% of its practitioners in many of its most prevalent nations" and it turns out to apply only to Egypt and Jordan in your own link. That could be referred to as 'using a broad brush' Is it made out of straw men?

Did you look at the sample size for those 'national surveys'?

Do you have better data? You don't think 80 million Egyptians, 80% of whom want to kill people for free thought to be disturbing? You think this has nothing to do with the form of Islam they worship?

I stand by what I say - as it stands now, Islam is the most tyrannical and oppressive religion on Earth (something obvious to anyone with their eyes open). People here are (rightfully) quick to demonize the religious right in this country. The nuts in other countries should catch the same flak.

I'm not sure I understand why the possibility that some religions are indeed worse than others is "off-limits thought".

24 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:31:22am

re: #23 SidewaysQuark

Do you have better data? You don't think 80 million Egyptians, 80% of whom want to kill people for free thought to be disturbing? You think this has nothing to do with the form of Islam they worship?

I stand by what I say - as it stands now, Islam is the most tyrannical and oppressive religion on Earth (something obvious to anyone with their eyes open). People here are (rightfully) quick to demonize the religious right in this country. The nuts in other countries should catch the same flak.

I'm not sure I understand why the possibility that some religions are indeed worse than others is "off-limits thought".

Who said your 'thought' is off limits? Don't like the criticism--don't say stuff people disagree with. Can't back up your assertions--don't make 'em. Stuff like "Islam is the most tyrannical and oppressive religion on Earth (something obvious to anyone with their eyes open)" is a matter of opinion, not fact. Don't expect me to treat it like fact. And the parenthetical phrase is just an insult. So I feel free to call you an asshole, because you are being offensive on purpose, and have been since you first comment on this Page.

25 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:33:57am

re: #22 SidewaysQuark

I've done it. You don't find it disturbing that 80% of Muslims in Egypt and Jordan want death to apostates, and you really don't think this has to with the fundamentals of their religion? Sounds like you're the one doing the cherry-picking - seems Islam is only peaceful when it's successfully neutered, much as Christianity has been successfully and fortunately neutered in the West.

Well, since you've obviously already decided what I think, I'm going to assume that was a rhetorical question and not bother answering you. Besides, your semi-hysterical hyperbole and obvious hatred of Islam is making you sound pretty pretty ridiculous--it's not conducive to rational, adult discussion.

I've talked to many Muslims in real life. What they say is not too encouraging. Most hate Israel, don't believe in evolution, and believe in prison time for blaspheming their religion.

Really? How many? Five? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? Let's take your microscopically tiny sample and extrapolate from there about all 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

Sounds like it's you who needs to get out more.

You do realize I've been Muslim for 20+ years, right? LOL

But, hey, what do I know? I'm just the resident apologist. By all means go ahead and continue getting your hate on with whoever wants to deal with you.

As for me? This is absurd. I'm done.

26 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:39:18am

re: #25 CuriousLurker

Well, since you've obviously already decided what I think, I'm going to assume that was a rhetorical question and not bother answering you. Besides, your semi-hysterical hyperbole and obvious hatred of Islam is making you sound pretty pretty ridiculous--it's not conducive to rational, adult discussion.

Really? How many? Five? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? Let's take your microscopically tiny sample and extrapolate from there about all 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

You do realize I've been Muslim for 20+ years, right? LOL

But, hey, what do I know? I'm just the resident apologist. By all means go ahead and continue getting your hate on with whoever wants to deal with you.

As for me? This is absurd. I'm done.

I'm pretty amazed at how similar the anti-Muslim and the anti-Jewish talking points are.

27 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:52:11am

re: #24 wrenchwench

Who said your 'thought' is off limits? Don't like the criticism--don't say stuff people disagree with. Can't back up your assertions--don't make 'em. Stuff like "Islam is the most tyrannical and oppressive religion on Earth (something obvious to anyone with their eyes open)" is a matter of opinion, not fact. Don't expect me to treat it like fact. And the parenthetical phrase is just an insult. So I feel free to call you an asshole, because you are being offensive on purpose, and have been since you first comment on this Page.

This. No attempt whatsoever was made to discuss the article and the problem it talks about WRT journalism. It was just a case of someone who hates religion in general seeing an opportunity to bash Islam/Muslims and jumping on it.

I'm just waiting for things to segue into how Islam presents an existential threat to the West and derpity, derp, derp: ZOMG, Eurabia! Creeping Sharia! Jihadis hiding under my bed! Spencer and Geller were right, we're doooooomed.....!

28 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:02:38pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

I'm pretty amazed at how similar the anti-Muslim and the anti-Jewish talking points are.

Yeah, it's pretty creepy. I'm much more aware of what I say after having been here for a few years; I'm very careful now not to say "Israel" when I really mean a specific Israeli group or individual, ditto about saying "Jews" say/do/believe a certain thing or act a certain way when that cannot possibly be ascribed to all Jews.

Come to think of it, I try not to inadvertently broad-brush ANY group now, atheists included, no matter how dickishly some of them may behave.

29 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:04:20pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it's pretty creepy. I'm much more aware of what I say after having been here for a few years; I'm very careful now not to say "Israel" when I really mean a specific Israeli group or individual, ditto about saying "Jews" say/do/believe a certain thing or act a certain way when that cannot possibly be ascribed to all Jews.

Come to think of it, I try not to inadvertently broad-brush ANY group now, atheists included, no matter how dickish some of them may behave.

And yet we have some people here going on about "right-wing Jews believe in genocide!"

30 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:15:06pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Come to think of it, I try not to inadvertently broad-brush ANY group now, atheists included, no matter how dickish some of them may behave.

Dickishly.

And maybe I should point out to Mr. or Ms. Quark that I am an atheist, and manage not to insult the religious among us, not too often, anyway, I hope.

31 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:20:13pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

Dickishly.

And maybe I should point out to Mr. or Ms. Quark that I am an atheist, and manage not to insult the religious among us, not too often, anyway, I hope.

I don't insult the religious, I insult religions. Bad ideas don't become immune to scrutiny just because you slap the religious "safety label" on to them. If someone wishes to conflate an insult to their religion with a personal insult, that's their own personal problem.

32 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:21:54pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

I'm pretty amazed at how similar the anti-Muslim and the anti-Jewish talking points are.

Yes, it IS rather remarkable. This is what makes me fear that the children (literally or figuratively) of the "Ground Zero Mosque" protestors will eventually turn their ire toward new synagogue construction.

33 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:21:56pm

re: #25 CuriousLurker

Well, since you've obviously already decided what I think, I'm going to assume that was a rhetorical question and not bother answering you. Besides, your semi-hysterical hyperbole and obvious hatred of Islam is making you sound pretty pretty ridiculous--it's not conducive to rational, adult discussion.

Really? How many? Five? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? Let's take your microscopically tiny sample and extrapolate from there about all 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.

You do realize I've been Muslim for 20+ years, right? LOL

But, hey, what do I know? I'm just the resident apologist. By all means go ahead and continue getting your hate on with whoever wants to deal with you.

As for me? This is absurd. I'm done.

Good, now you can go cower in the corner and lick your wounds. Considering your bad behavior here in defending mythology, my opinion of religion has not been improved by you.

34 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:23:55pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

I'm pretty amazed at how similar the anti-Muslim and the anti-Jewish talking points are.

I'm pretty amazed how anxious everyone is to treat religion as worthy of respect, when it has in fact earned none.

35 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:24:00pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

Dickishly.

And maybe I should point out to Mr. or Ms. Quark that I am an atheist, and manage not to insult the religious among us, not too often, anyway, I hope.

Heh, yeah, I added the "ly" about 5 minutes after I posted it.

You're one of my favorite atheists. Next we're going to hear "I don't hate the religious, I hate religion." Uh-huh, just like Geller says she doesn't hate Muslims she just hates Islam...no wait, radical Islam, no wait....

36 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:28:32pm

re: #31 SidewaysQuark

I don't insult the religious, I insult religions. Bad ideas don't become immune to scrutiny just because you slap the religious "safety label" on to them. If someone wishes to conflate an insult to their religion with a personal insult, that's their own personal problem.

Like this?:

Good, now you can go cower in the corner and lick your wounds.

(something obvious to anyone with their eyes open)

Sounds like it's you who needs to get out more.

Please improve your logic skills, and stop calling other people assholes when you're apparently much better at it.

I don't think you understand what a "straw man" is. Please look up your list of logical fallacies you read from Wikipedia again.

Islam as a form of governance is a disaster. Asserting otherwise is idiotic.

(That one was a complete straw man, making it nothing but an insult.)

Amazing how a completely accurate comment gets downdings by people who can't recognize the obvious truth in front of their faces. Amazing how many people enjoy religious oppression as long as its in other people's cultures.

And, really, you can't say horrible things about a person's beliefs without denigrating that person. Grow up.

37 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:29:54pm

re: #34 SidewaysQuark

I'm pretty amazed how anxious everyone is to treat religion as worthy of respect, when it has in fact earned none.

People are worthy of respect, with or without religion. You're earning yourself an exception, here.

38 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:33:15pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Like this?:

That was lashing back. When attacked personally, I strike back personally. I'm not one who thinks you win by "staying above the fray". No evidence supports that.

And, really, you can't say horrible things about a person's beliefs without denigrating that person. Grow up.

That's their problem. If one's beliefs in myths and fairytales are so important to him/her that he/she can't take them being insulted without going into a personal hissyfit, that says something negative about them. Just because an idea is "sacred" or "popular", it's not exempt from the commentary it deserves.

39 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:33:41pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

People are worthy of respect, with or without religion. You're earning yourself an exception, here.

Religions aren't people. Is that really hard to understand?

40 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:34:04pm

LOL, and there it is.

I'm crushed I tell you, crushed. I've been put in my place, annihilated by the keen insight and impressive critical thinking skills of a righteous atheist. I'll barely be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing that I was unable to convert him/her into a believer. Whenever I see demonstrations like this I can't imagine why there aren't more atheists //

41 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:36:29pm

re: #38 SidewaysQuark

re: #39 SidewaysQuark

Moron. 'Lashing back'. Hahahaha!

No more of my attention for you. It's a waste.

42 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:37:05pm

re: #40 CuriousLurker

LOL, and there it is.

I'm crushed I tell you, crushed. I've been put in my place, annihilated by the keen insight and impressive critical thinking skills of a righteous atheist. I'll barely be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing that I was unable to convert him/her into a believer. Whenever I see demonstrations like this I can't imagine why there aren't more atheists //

I thought you were "done". And why do you assume I'm an atheist? You shouldn't "paint with a broad brush" like that (LOL).

Well, it's not like Islam (or any other religion) is actually true, so being completely crushed by the overwhelming facts and realities that render your belief system obsolete is something you must be quite used to.

43 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:37:59pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

Yeah, time to stop feeding the troll. See you in the main thread.

44 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:38:52pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

re: #39 SidewaysQuark

Moron. 'Lashing back'. Hahahaha!

No more of my attention for you. It's a waste.

You're obviously a waste. You got your knickers in a twist and can't keep up. You're just mad that you know well Islam, as practiced in huge swaths of the world, has much more serious problems than the other religions of the world, do, and the 'magical balance fairy' in your mind is obviously fussy over it. You'll get over it, no worry.

45 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:39:50pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Yeah, time to stop feeding the troll. See you in the main thread.

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you and argues on the same you level you do is a "troll". Sorry you have nothing better to come back with. No go reevaluate your life positions.

46 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:41:10pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, I added the "ly" about 5 minutes after I posted it.

You're one of my favorite atheists. Next we're going to hear "I don't hate the religious, I hate religion." Uh-huh, just like Geller says she doesn't hate Muslims she just hates Islam...no wait, radical Islam, no wait....

"I hate all religions equally" is the Pat Condell hate excuse.

47 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:42:54pm

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

"I hate all religions equally" is the Pat Condell hate excuse.

I already said, I hate some religions more than others, though they all suck. Anyone who thinks you should like all religions equally out of some ridiculous attempt at PC ecumenism is an idiot. I evaluate them on their merits.

48 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:45:48pm

re: #42 SidewaysQuark

I thought you were "done".

I lied. Your derp is momentarily irresistible.

And why do you assume I'm an atheist? You shouldn't "paint with a broad brush" like that (LOL).

LMAO, referring to ONE person isn't painting with a broad brush.

Well, it's not like Islam (or any other religion) is actually true, so being completely crushed by the overwhelming facts and realities that render your belief system obsolete is something you must be quite used to.

Yeah, I'm pretty used to it. Funny thing is, there are still 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and counting. We're not going anywhere. Deal with it.

Bye now... *waves*

49 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:53:10pm

re: #48 CuriousLurker

I lied. Your derp is momentarily irresistible.

Anyone dumb enough to believe in the infallibility or even divine origin of a "holy book" has no business assigning "derp" to anyone. The Quran is so-so, but there's better storybooks out there. Diversify.

LMAO, referring to ONE person isn't painting with a broad brush.

LMAO, yes it is, when you assign traits based on archetypal info.

Yeah, I'm pretty used to it. Funny thing is, there are still 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and counting. We're not going anywhere. Deal with it.

Bye now... *waves*

I'm quite aware Islam will be around a while. Surely such a highly 'reasonable' person as yourself must realize argumentum ad populum is an obvious logical fallacy (but really the only thing practitioners have going for their cause).

Islam, however, is on a very self-destructive trajectory - hopefully it will one day be neutered the way Christianity has been neutered in Western Europe. Then another cult can step up to the plate as the world's most tyrannical faith.

50 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 12:58:50pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

I'm just waiting for things to segue into how Islam presents an existential threat to the West and derpity, derp, derp: ZOMG, Eurabia! Creeping Sharia! Jihadis hiding under my bed! Spencer and Geller were right, we're doooooomed.....!

Nope, won't do it. See how you paint with a "broad brush" again?

Islam poses virtually no cultural threat to the West. It's mostly a threat to the people forced to live under the societies completely dominated by it, and its effect in most (but not all) of those regions is quite malevolent.

51 JABaker  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:38:54pm

re: #3 SidewaysQuark
I thought this was a thread about Islam? Why are you bringing up the desires of our local Christianist Taliban?

52 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:43:37pm

re: #51 JABaker

I thought this was a thread about Islam? Why are you bringing up the desires of our local Christianist Taliban?

The difference is the "local Christianist Taliban", while a grave concern, are fewer in numbers and inevitably fail to implement their darkest desires on a large scale in today's Western World, unlike their counterparts in majority Muslim nations.

53 Aligarr  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 6:46:56pm

Neither islam or christian fundys pose a threat here in the US , simply due to numbers . Muslims do not cause problems amongst others until their numbers reach plurality , until then they just screw themselves over . I would have greater reservations regarding the christian fundys , for they have backing that can change or make laws , the only protection from them being the Constitution itself . As far as "stories " on the internet ...truth is usually stranger than fiction . Fires are easily started , but in the west no one dies .


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Randall Gross
The Two Things That Rarely Happen After a Medical Mistake
It's an interesting dilemma - if the harm was small do you undermine the patient's confidence in their treatment? If the harm was great, do you encourage the lawsuit? Also be warned that this is a non scientific, small sample ...

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Lumberhead
Marion Barry, District Councilman and Former Mayor, Dies at 78
Despite his faults, Barry is credited with opening the city's government to black citizens; for creating a massive summer jobs program that while wasteful in many cases offered a job or paid internship to any city youth who wanted ...

5 hours, 5 minutes ago
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teleskiguy
“Chelsea Hotel” performed by Tal Wilkenfeld
I first saw Austrailian bass player Tal Wilkenfeld play with Jeff Beck (not live, mind you. On YouTube) and was amazed at her skills and chops. She was only 20 when she scored that gig. She's coming into her own ...

1 day, 15 hours ago
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FemNaziBitch
History of Laws Concerning Immigration and Naturalization in the United States -WIKI
The United States Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787. Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.[1] Pursuant to this power, Congress ...

2 days ago
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MichaelJ
COMFORTABLY NUMB - Peahi Nov 12 on Vimeo
Channel angle of the Nov 12th swell at Peahi.

5 days, 13 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Money Makes Us Less Rational
Here's an interesting article on scientific studies that demonstrate how rationality and empathy break down is the presence of large amounts of money.

1 week, 1 day ago
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Indy GOP Refugee
Dissent Goes Missing in Pro-Labor L.A. City Council - LA Times
That is not good govenance. The San Fernando Valley lawmaker stood up at a recent meeting and rattled off numbers from a new report on the city's economic health. Sales tax revenue? Up 26% since 2009. Business tax revenue? Up ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality
Uncomfortable Xi-Abe Handshake Spawns New Winnie the Pooh Comparison
Asian powerhouses China and Japan have not been on the best of terms lately, following disagreements over who has claim to some islands -- and possible undersea gas and oil fields -- in the South China Sea. So perhaps we ...

1 week, 5 days ago
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EiMitch
CollegeHumor: If Call of Duty Were Treated Like A Real Thing
Mildly NSFW (bleeped-out language) CollegeHumor seems to be doing a bit of cross-promotion with CoD: Advanced Warfare. Consider that disclosure. That aside, it was funny because... Actually I can't explain without spoiling it. As for the game being advertised, I ...

1 week, 5 days ago
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Three Chord Monty
Michael Moore defends Bill Maher
"You may not agree with Bill on everything. Yet I'm guessing you love it when he goes after the Uterun Police/Protectors of Child Rapists (also known as The Vatican), or when he brilliantly satirizes the crazy Christian Right which ...

1 week, 6 days ago
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