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1 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:46:27am

6 shot & 4 killed by angry armed old white man in Upstate New York - Suspect still at large

FTFY

2 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:30:16pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

Armed old white spree killer identified:


www.uticaod.com

Kurt Myers, 64, of Mohawk has been identified as the man suspected of fatally shooting four people and wounding two others earlier this morning.

His home had lots of guns and ammo as is to be expected…..

3 Skip Intro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:08:26pm

Was he law abiding, right up until he wasn’t, like usual?

4 Tigger2  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:00:31pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

Was he law abiding, right up until he wasn’t, like usual?

Yeah he seems to fit the NRA profile of a responable gun owner.

5 theheat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:33:44pm

Armed to the teeth, pissed off, and batshit nuts. It’s such a common theme among serial shooters these days.

I’m so glad nobody will be oppressed by additional gun restrictions because it makes us more socialist and makes the Founding Fathers weep. //

6 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:55:34pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

Was he law abiding, right up until he wasn’t, like usual?

Law abiding people usually don’t have previous mug shots on record.

Michele Mlinar, who tends bar at Cangee’s Bar and Grille in Herkimer, said Myers frequently came in and had a bottle or two of Coors Light and left without speaking to anyone. She said he was always alones and that she didn’t even know his name until police released his mug shot on Wednesday.

7 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:04:02pm

This article say his only arrest was in 1973 for drunken driving. So the photo credited to State Police in these articles must be from a recent driver’s license.

8 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:06:58pm

re: #2 Destro

Can you explain to me the exact relevance of his race and age?

9 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:38:08pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Can you explain to me the exact relevance of his race and age?

I am using the right wing’s meme to use the fear of blacks, to arm up, against itself.

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:39:11pm

Progressive!

11 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:47:54pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

In some cases it IS relevant, when it comes to understanding motives and analyzing trends.

12 palomino  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:18:27pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

Law abiding people usually don’t have previous mug shots on record.

I think the point is that the NRA dichotomy of law abiding and non-law abiding citizens is an overly simplistic fallacy. Lots of criminals, including mass shooters, are law abiding until the day they snap and all hell breaks loose—recent examples would be this guy in upstate NY, Dorner in CA, Lanza in CT, Holmes in CO, et al.

The fight over gun control is not about disarming citizens (a paranoid RW victimization fantasy); nor is it about most gun violence (far too big an issue to practically confront now). Rather it’s about attempting to make mass shootings less common and less lethal.

The choice of most mass shooters is the same type of semi-auto rifle, for the obvious reason of efficiency: it can kill the most people in the shortest amount of time. Thus the focus on banning AR-15s, but not other firearms.

And most mass shootings don’t occur in schools. So the NRA’s proposal of more armed guards in schools sounds nice on the surface, but doesn’t really address the overall problem of mass shootings.

13 palomino  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 8:23:41pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Progressive!

You’re not even trying anymore. No offense, but it’s time to hang up the cleats…you’re washed up and got nothing left in the tank but fumes, which doesn’t make for comments of any use.

14 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 11:56:50pm

re: #12 palomino

The choice of most mass shooters is the same type of semi-auto rifle, for the obvious reason of efficiency: it can kill the most people in the shortest amount of time. Thus the focus on banning AR-15s, but not other firearms.

Wrong. Semi automatic pistols are the most common choice. Of the 143 weapons used in mass shootings since 1983, 20 were assault weapons with only a subset of those being AR-15s.

So why is it you think that it’s the most common weapon type used? Because the media and legislators like Feinstein have conditioned people to believe it must be true. As with the vast majority of gun crime in general, if you really wanted a ban to have the greatest effect, you’d focus first on handguns.

15 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 14, 2013 10:36:19am

re: #9 Destro

I am using the right wing’s meme to use the fear of blacks, to arm up, against itself.

So by repeating the mistake things improve? No, they get worse. Shouting memes back and forth is just useless.


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