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1 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:24:18am

Climate change is very real, but linking it to particular incidents on the ever-shifting landscape of beaches is bad science at its worst.

2 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:24:49am

Dredge in millions of tons of sand away from a sand bar to a beach. The ocean will move it back in no time.

Silly humans.

3 EiMitch  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:38:17am

There is one thing the wealthy can do to make a difference with little more effort than throwing money at it: buy as many artificial trees as they can, along with the means to sequester the CO2 they absorb.

Ecologically speaking, this is what the wealthy are good for. That, and investing in large-scale solar and wind power.

But no. The Cayman Islands are just too tempting.

4 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:26:40am

re: #1 SidewaysQuark

Not a particular incident, a long term trend.

5 Oggie Ben Doggie  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 12:37:36pm

For all their faults, I suspect few of the residents of Malibu are to blame for our country’s paralytic lack of response to global warming, and I suspect overall the residents have tipped the scales towards fighting the good fight.

6 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 12:41:15pm

And so castles made of sand fall in the sea, eventually

7 Tsuga  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 2:02:38pm

The biggest factor fre: #1 SidewaysQuark

Climate change is very real, but linking it to particular incidents on the ever-shifting landscape of beaches is bad science at its worst.

Excellent point. Southern California beaches have been greatly depleted by dams on local rivers holding back sand and keeping it from getting to the coast. This problem has been going on for decades and continues to get worse over time.

Adding in sea level rise will make it even worse yet, but we have not yet seen major sea level rise yet. Keep in mind that local problems with relative sea level rise, like on some low-lying islands, can be due to land sinking locally. When global sea level rise really gets going, then we’ll see these problems in most locations (except where land is rising for tectonic reasons) and people will really be screaming.

8 Political Atheist  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 3:01:05pm

re: #7 Tsuga
re: #1 SidewaysQuark

Climate change is very real, but linking it to particular incidents on the ever-shifting landscape of beaches is bad science at its worst.

Let me try to be a bit more clear.
The increase in storm intensity will also be a big factor. The point was not to implicate climate change in this specific problem in Malibu at this moment.

You guys are both putting a finer point on this that what I actually said.
The point is the what lessons these often powerful or influential people might take away from this immediate challenge. Please note my “long term” caveat in the very first line.


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