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1 sauceruney  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 5:30:16am

Outmoded, would be the correct word.

2 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 5:50:51am

“We never used to have this kind of problem, a good inquisition was normally enough to quiet down the rabble. The faithful of old never had to be confused by “facts” or “dissenting opinion”…blind faith, blind unquestioning faith….rack, thumbscrews…there’s a PR battle we could win….”

3 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 8:55:00am

The default Marketing Fallacy again.

As if the actual product or idea has any merit and it’s just the marketing behind it failing.

Even more striking is the contempt show for the general populace in the market of ideas, as if the idea that gay or transgendered people being equal to the rest of us or second class citizens is a concept worth debating and legislating.

4 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 9:22:47am

Yes, yes they have. Let’s hope they eventually outmarket every other religion in the world, too.

5 nines09  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 9:42:59am

Maybe the notion of hating neighbors, friends and family members for being gay has gotten old? And the truth is people are born that way, and deserve better? Nah…..Marketing. “We are all Gods’ Children….. BUT.”

6 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 10:21:05am

re: #5 nines09

Maybe the notion of hating neighbors, friends and family members for being gay has gotten old? And the truth is people are born that way, and deserve better?

A minor, or major, quibble. I don’t think it matters if you’re born that way or if it’s a choice. Either parameter is valid and acceptable to me and should be in the eyes of society and law.

I think that the ‘Born This Way’ concept is a reaction to anti-gay forces presenting a foundation that sexuality is not merely a choice but ‘just a lifestyle’ therefore (derp). Saying you’re born this way stops that line of logic. Sexuality is a very complex thing which involves choice and massive amounts of internal and external influence. For some it not be a choice, for some it may be, and for many a matter of both to varying degrees.

But I don’t think that matters. Or at least it shouldn’t.

Again, I’m just an ignorant straight white dude and have only begun to really try and grasp what being gay living in our world means. In the end, the ‘Born this way’ concept, while there is much truth to it, shouldn’t be the intellectual stop gap when responding to the Sexuality Luddites.

At some point we have to come to It Doesn’t Matter and challenge them on those terms. What should matter is love and respect, and mutually beneficial relationships based on those foundations.

7 Lidane  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 10:25:12am

It’s not a marketing problem, Cardinal. It’s the fact that most people now have grown up with openly gay friends and relatives.

Why shouldn’t their friends and loved ones get married if they’re in love? You don’t have a good enough reason against it.

8 nines09  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 11:28:01am

re: #6 Tim TeaBro

That is my stance on the bullshit thrown at people of Bisexual or Homosexual persuasion. I don’t know anyone who woke up one day and said “I guess I’ll go queer.” I know people who tried to mask their true leanings and to that I say, you is, or you isn’t. I’ve had many gay friends in my life and every one of them knew who they were at an early age. Had leanings. Feelings. They were kept from revealing that by social, family, and career fears. To paraphrase a famous scene from a certain movie; “Some like oysters, some like snails. Some both.” The argument that it is a choice is false IMHO, and is used as a hammer to keep LBGT folks from just having the same civil and social rights that we ALL should have.. I agree that it should not matter. Neither the color of your skin nor your sexual preferences should be held against you. Period. Just MHO.

9 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 8:16:11am

Once again, the RC has shown it’s stripes—Parishioners exist for the benefit of the church, not the other way around.

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