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1 Skip Intro  Sat, Dec 21, 2013 6:06:53pm
and a debate has opened over whether science or religion should take the lead in the fight against the AIDS epidemic.

I see gross stupidity isn’t just an American problem.

2 nines09  Sat, Dec 21, 2013 8:11:45pm

“True believers shall be cured. You? You did not believe.”

3 SidewaysQuark  Sat, Dec 21, 2013 10:33:58pm

Well, prayer IS cost-effective, in that you get what you pay for (nothing).

4 theheat  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 7:27:28am
The “cure” is not free, and some people say they shell out their life savings to receive a miracle blessing and quit taking the drugs.

I hate to say it, but this is natural selection at work. (And the usual religious grifters, of course.)

This is what happens when people’s bullshit fairytales trump proven science.

5 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 8:31:44am

re: #3 SidewaysQuark

Well, prayer IS cost-effective, in that you get what you pay for (nothing).

Unfortunately in this case, its even worse than that, since many of these poor desperate people are forking over cold hard cash for these prayers. Just read this section of the article,

Margaret Lavonga attended a healing prayer service several years ago. She said she paid money for a prayer cure and nearly ended up dead after the pastor told her and others to stop taking their medicines.

“We were very desperate after realizing we had been infected as young women,” she said.

At the church, she was asked to pay the equivalent of $12 to be accepted for the healing ceremony and $24 at the end of the ceremony. The pastor then confiscated her drugs and those of four others and set them ablaze. The group was asked to undergo a test at a certain clinic in Nairobi, where they were all declared cured.

I really hope the people at the Hospital who carried out those “tests” all lose their jobs. At the very even if they can’t punish the “faith healers” I hope they can at least punish any medical personal who were complicit in this, in one way or another. They obviously didn’t do a very good job in determining whether or not they were cured.

6 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 9:29:45am

re: #5 CriticalDragon1177

Unfortunately in this case, its even worse than that, since many of these poor desperate people are forking over cold hard cash for these prayers. Just read this section of the article,

I really hope the people at the Hospital who carried out those “tests” all lose their jobs. At the very even if they can’t punish the “faith healers” I hope they can at least punish any medical personal who were complicit in this, in one way or another. They obviously didn’t do a very good job in determining whether or not they were cured.

Fraud, outright fraud.

This pisses-me-off.

7 ThatPirateGuy  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 9:51:15am

I am a big fan of this site and the contributors. I saw this link on my Skeptics page: Saudi Arabia’s Religious Police Outlaw ‘Tempting Eyes’

I followed up on it and noticed it didn’t follow the Four Ws. It had Where, Who and a stupid Why but no When. So I followed the links David Keyes cited and it lead to USATODAY They weren’t the source so I followed their link to Bikyamasr and that link is down. So I went to Bikya Masr’s (go Misr!) Facebook page and they had….. nothing. Which I found suspicious considering they have an article Bukkaked all over the internet and they weren’t promoting or even acknowledging it’s existence.

So I emailed them and asked “S’up with the article?” No word as yet. I called bullshit on the Daily Beast’s comment section and posted with links why and emailed their editor. I blame Charles Johnson and the contributors at LGF for making me this way. You guys and the fellas at Cracked.

8 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 9:55:43am

re: #7 ThatPirateGuy

Welcome, hatchling.

9 ThatPirateGuy  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 10:12:22am

re: #8 wrenchwench

I didn’t notice the time stamp on that article. (hangs head in shame)

10 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 10:43:52am

re: #9 ThatPirateGuy

I didn’t notice the time stamp on that article. (hangs head in shame)

Don’t feel bad, many of us have made the same type of mistake at one time or another. At least you tried to verify it.

11 ThatPirateGuy  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 11:08:16am

re: #10 CuriousLurker

Don’t feel bad, many of us have made the same type of mistake at one time or another. At least you tried to verify it.

I still can’t find the Original article. Or any mention of it on Bikya Masr’s Facebook page, I’m throwing this out there, any pointers, feel free to share.

12 ausador  Sun, Dec 22, 2013 1:21:57pm

This is after all Kenya, Africa where the same “pentecostal ministers” routinely hire themselves out as “witch finders” for anyone whose crops have failed or whose cows or goats get sick.

This is “Christianity” mixed with a large amount of “witch doctor” type ceremony and a strong belief in magic, spirits, and witchcraft. When one of these “ministers” gets paid to find a witch you don’t want to be anywhere around. They might decide that you are the one practicing black magic and then this might happen to you…

**Warning Four People Are Burnt Alive In This Video**
Youtube Video

(One of whom was only trying to stop the crowd from doing this)


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