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1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:31:41pm

Good. This is one of the crazier things the Patriot Act frenzy produced. A complete waste of time that has probably cost the US untold billions of dollars to implement.

2 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 5:49:14pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I’m glad we are in wholehearted agreement on this one. The judge really said it best.
“a No Fly List designation transforms a person into a second class citizen, or worse.”

I travel for my work, fair to say I could not have had the impact with my work in precious metallurgy if I could not get out there and teach or speak on how to do some of the thick procedures. And I can’t hold a candle to a musician who has to get to those gigs.

3 jvic  Mon, Jan 27, 2014 8:58:49pm

Here’s more on the Ibrahim case:

But even if she’s in the watchlist system, that’s “Sensitive Security Information,” which forbids disclosing that to Ibrahim, the government maintains. In court papers, the government asserted that U.S. District Judge William Alsup is powerless to publicly state whether Ibrahim is, or is not, one of 875,000 names lodged in one of the government’s vast, secret watchlist database.

“Only certain government agencies, including TSA, may determine whether information is SSI. TSA’s determination is reviewable by the judiciary, but Congress has expressly specified that the review must occur in a court of appeals,” wrote Paul G. Freeborne, a Justice Department senior trial counsel in court documents.

Freeborne added that, even if the woman is on the list, and Alsup believes Ibrahim was put on it wrongly, the judge’s hands are still tied in overruling the SSI determination.

“District courts,” Freeborne wrote, “simply cannot review TSA’s determination that certain information is SSI, (.pdf) even if they disagree with TSA’s determination; believe that TSA has insufficiently explained the rationale for its determination; or do not believe that TSA properly interpreted its regulations in making its determination.”

This is not the only appalling thing in the linked article.

In addition to the injustice to individual citizens, consider that Congress passed and the President signed a bill that exempts a federal agency from scrutiny by federal district courts.

Secret courts, secret trials, secret verdicts…what country is this?

4 EiMitch  Tue, Jan 28, 2014 7:48:54am

The TSA is irreparably incompetent, and answerable to no-one but themselves. We didn’t trade away liberty for safety, or even a half-decent illusion of safety. We traded liberty for nothing, and that nothing costs ahelluvalotta tax dollars. Why haven’t there been riots in the streets demanding the TSA be dissolved?

Well, not actual, literal riots. I don’t want anyone getting hurt. But you know what I mean.

5 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:33:32am

re: #3 jvic

Secret courts, secret trials, secret verdicts…what country is this?

It truly goes against everything we’re supposed to be about at the most fundamental level. It’s embarrassing and sad and scary.

Alas, the shock of 9/11 caused us to lose ourselves for a while, and now we’re finding out that those who warned us about how difficult it is to take back treasured freedoms & safeguards once they’re given away were exactly right.


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