re: #105 jamesfirecat

Okay…

Sorry I was sort of thrown because I’m sure to A LOT of people “Social Liberal” and “Social Progressive” means the exact same thing…

Can you give me some pin point examples of how the two different on actual political issues, I’m interested in learning more…

Sure.

Let’s start with gun control (obdi brought that up in comment).

Traditionally, the liberal stand has been to support the ‘right to bear arms’. Liberals may want to see more controls, usually as it pertains to the sellers) only.

Progressives tend to want to limit gun ownership and usually back the idea of a registry (as was attempted in Canada and to some extent, the UK). Those ideas are squarely focused on gun owners. In addition, progressives tend to want to also highly regulate sellers.

Now without going into specifics, conservatives fear the liberal position, not because they find the ideas so abhorrent, but rather they fear the slippery slope.

Further- and lost in the progressive arguments- are the behavioral matters. Switzerland and Israel have far more guns per capita and far fewer gun crimes.

Liberal arguments tend to include behavioral concerns- recall Patrick Moynihan talking about intact families and birth control- and he was about as classic a classic liberal gets (he was an eloquent SOB- he’d confound his conservative opponents on a regular basis)! The same can be said for Henry ‘Scoop’ Jackson, another liberal who supported a strong military.

Hubert Humphrey fit that mold too. He was a classic liberal who bent over backwarrds to be inclusive of conservatives. That’s why an agricultural (and conservative/religious at the time) state loved him.

Today’s political climate allows for few men and women like them.

I could go on…