Actually I have been musing on this thread a lot.

The core of America is our notion of due process and rights granted to individuals as self evident things.

This is what I was taught. This is what my grandparents told me they were fighting for against evil nations that did not uphold such things.

Yet on this very thread, I saw a lot of invective about not giving these people a fair trial. I saw a lot of statements that they have no rights and the implication that our justice is so weak that it can not afford to see justice done to all - even terrorists. We win against them by upholding what they would tear down.

After a night of musing on it, I have only become more disgusted with so many here.

The issue is not if they are tried in a civilian court or a military one. The issue is that they have a fair, speedy and open trial. The issue is that some of those detained might actually be innocent. Not KSM, but perhaps some of the others we picked up.

The argument that our intelligence is infallible and therefore sufficient to convict is ludicrous. It is all the more ludicrous because the same people who would say that here are the ones who defend Bush and Cheney’s lies about an atomic program in Iraq because they claim there was faulty intelligence. They trust the government to seize individuals without oversight, torture them and perhaps execute them without an honest trial, but they don’t trust the government to do healthcare.

The hypocrisy is mind numbing.