re: #153 Obdicut

Well, your position on this is absolutely commendable, much more so than the church leaderships. Right now I feel the church is… well, I can’t really tell what the role of the Catholic church is for its parishioners, since the Church seems to feel that it’s rather the other way around, and that parishioners should be trying to help support the Church.

And with apologies to you, since I do not feel these two people are by any means good defenders of the Catholic church, but they were who showed up, here is the IQsquared debate with the proposal “The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world.”

Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry take the opposing side. John Onaiyekan and Ann Widdecombe support it.

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I saw it.
The priest they chose did a very poor job, IMO. He too, seemed to talk of the Church as an institution, not as the PEOPLE of the Church, and that’s a major fail, again, just IMO.

And of course, Hitchens, with that voice and that mastery of words, just always sounds great, even when I disagree with him.

The role of the Church at the local level for those of us with good, honest, ethical priests is what it’s always been. My hope is that this can be sustained through this major crisis of leadership.