re: #224 oaktree

my family much the same: grandparents came over from europe, found work wherever they could. parents managed a high-school education, dad got regular work at the steel mill.

all of us kids attended college or married colege grads and became middle class, one brother made it big in business, retired a millionaire, one sister married a major muckety much with dow chemicals and also retiired wealthy.

there is some upward mobility possible in britain, but it is alot more restricted than in the US. They used to have an emprie where any young, enterprising upstart could go off and make a fortune to come home and retire on, but those days have all but faded.