re: #248 Obdicut

I’m not sure I get your question. I’m saying that having an ancestral homeland doesn’t give one the right to that land. If you’re asking what gives a nation the right to exist at all, that’s rather involved.

If you must get into that whole discussion, I’d like to point out that one of the most compelling reasons for the “right” of the Jewish state, without looking at ethics or morals or historical “claims”, is that even before the ‘47 UN Vote, and ‘48 declaration of independence, the Jews of Mandate Palestine had already built themselves a fully-functioning state in the area with its own economy, defense mechanism, political and social structures.

It was a state in all but name already, and relatively self-sufficient as such. All that was lacking was the formality of recognition, which they received.

It is not as though the Jewish state had HAD to be founded at the expense of another. It only worked out that way because there was really no “other” state to begin with, and those whose state it would have been had no interest in making one.