re: #302 Obdicut

I was actually saying that we shouldn’t get into that discussion, if you’ll notice.

My only point in that regard was that having had an ancient homeland doesn’t give the modern descendants a right to that land. As I said, I fully support Israel— it’s a modern democracy. That’s all it takes for my support. I do not find a discussion of the ethics of Israel’s founding necessary at all. It exists. It’s a democracy. That’s a good thing.

I haven’t really been following the whole argument from the beginning — jumped in reading about mid-thread. It just seemed to me like there was a discussion going on about homelands and rights of minorities to have their own state, and thought I would put my two-cents in (that in the end, that argument is irrelevant, because there were other pragmatic reasons for what happened).

I also didn’t read your comment as a collective “we shouldn’t get into that” more of a “I could explain my viewpoint on that, but it would be too complicated”… Since I don’t see it from quite as complicated a viewpoint, I thought I’d lay down my bottom line.

Also, just for general interest, I found Benny Morris’ lectures on the creation of the refugee crisis last year to be the most frank, realistic assessment of what really happened that I have ever heard.

Part 1: Youtube Video
Part 2: Youtube Video
Part 3: Youtube Video
Part 4: Youtube Video
Part 5: Youtube Video