re: #307 TheSwedish

I certainly won’t give a blanket endorsement of the Guardian, but Spencer Ackerman’s national security - related writing has, on its own, been good. It’s worth noting that he’s not a fan of the kind of purity policing Greenwald & his fans so often do, so I think that at some point, the Guardian’s may have to decide which man it wants to keep, if either fellow doesn’t force the issue first.

For all I know, Miranda could’ve refused a lawyer until the last hour of his detention, but say he wasn’t OFFERED one til the last hour. Combined with the facts that he wasn’t allowed to write the questions and didn’t get a translator, that doesn’t give me comfort.

In turn, this leads me to a larger point: Greenwald & friends aren’t the only ones with dirt on themselves here.

The Guardian’s gotten things wrong, Snowden needs to face the music, and Cameron’s government-while right to question Miranda-held him way too long and peppered him with a number of questions that were way the eff out in left field.

It’s possible to believe all these things at once.

It’s also possible to believe the Guardian is lying its ass off and the events of that 9hrs makes it look like the authorities had every reason to believe that Miranda was up to his eyeballs in something illegal.