Guardian’s Story Changes Again: Now They Admit David Miranda Did Have a Lawyer

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Remember the Guardian’s first reports about the UK government detaining Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda, and how Greenwald said Miranda had been “denied a lawyer?”

August 18th: Glenn Greenwald’s Partner Detained at Heathrow Airport for Nine Hours.

“This is a profound attack on press freedoms and the news gathering process,” Greenwald said. “To detain my partner for a full nine hours while denying him a lawyer, and then seize large amounts of his possessions, is clearly intended to send a message of intimidation to those of us who have been reporting on the NSA and GCHQ. The actions of the UK pose a serious threat to journalists everywhere.

Then, the next day, the Guardian’s story changed. In this article they write that Miranda “refused” a lawyer because he didn’t trust the UK: David Miranda: ‘They Said I Would Be Put in Jail if I Didn’t Co-Operate’.

He was offered a lawyer and a cup of water, but he refused both because he did not trust the authorities.

Well, today the story has changed again. And now the Guardian is acknowledging that Miranda actually did have a lawyer — buried near the very end of this article: David Miranda Wins Partial Court Victory Over Data Seized by Police.

He was compelled to provide passwords for the devices. His lawyers said he only had a lawyer for the last hour of his detention and was not allowed a pen to write down the officers questions or a translator even though English was not his first language.

It’s absolutely unreal how these stories just keep changing, after starting out with the most negative slant possible. The most charitable interpretation is that the reporting has been inexcusably sloppy — but this series of revisions strongly suggests they were deliberately misleading their readers.

Greenwald in particular had to know when he made that first statement that his partner actually did have a lawyer. Why did he lie?

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496 comments
1 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:00:49am

Fucking complete clown show.

2 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:03:11am
The most charitable interpretation possible is that the reporting has been inexcusably sloppy — but this series of revisions strongly suggests they were deliberate misleading their readers.

After the “MacBook Pro” episode, I don’t know how one could conclude that it’s not both.

3 kerFuFFler  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:03:34am

re: #1 Kragar

Fucking complete clown show.

Not complete yet———it’s like they just keep scrambling out of the tiny car!

4 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:03:55am

easier to set the narrative if the first story is on the front page in a 16 point bold font and the corrections are on page 13 in 8 point.

5 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:04:25am

Regardless, my twitter feed and Facebook timeline will continue to be full of glibertarians, RWNJs, conspiracy kooks, and emoprogs ranting about how the US and UK are just like the Nazis.

Facts we hates the factses precious! Forever!


*edit in the UK

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:06:01am

I go with sloppy reporting, reporters do not research, they just repeat.

7 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:06:27am

Dan Rather: NSA ‘is demolishing the trust in the government’

The only thing being demolished here is my trust in journalists to actually report facts.

8 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:07:18am

Let’s just call it what it is: Yellow journalism. This is the sort of reporting that would put Soviet-era Pravda to shame.

9 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:07:31am

can’t we watch a telenovela or something instead of this particular soap opera?

‘amores verdaderos’ is on…

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:08:38am

Yeah this is just what the Gestapo would have done.

11 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:08:46am

re: #8 Targetpractice

Let’s just call it what it is: Yellow journalism. This is the sort of reporting that would put Soviet-era Pravda to shame.

i think we’ve gone beyond yellow journalism to kandy flake plastic monster green journalism

12 socrets  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:09:05am

You would think somebody would consider taking a deep breath and double check their facts before writing about them.

13 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:09:37am

It’s like yelling “fire”in a movie theater, and once the panic ensues, you whisper “just kidding.”
You got the reaction you wanted, then covered you butt.

14 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:10:24am

“just starting an important conversation.”

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:11:19am

I’m starting to trust my initial reaction that this was just a stunt to gain sympathy and start a fauxrage against the British government. It’s worked unfortunately.

16 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:11:27am

The Guardian and Greenwald report that he didn’t have a lawyer.

Then he was offered one.

Then he had one for the last hour.

What are we going to learn next? That the reason it took 9 hours of detention was because he was offered a lawyer in hour 1, accepted a lawyer of his choosing in hour 2, and it took a couple more hours to get the lawyer to the location where he could then respond to the claims in the final hour of detention?

I wait with bated breath.

In the meantime, I await the next set of walkbacks on the NSA story from the WSJ, Guardian, and others who ran with outrageous headlines, while the actual report was so much less.

Oh, and the outrageous outrage over Cass Sunstein getting involved in the oversight. Really? That’s outrageous?

17 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:11:29am

re: #14 jaunte

“just starting an important conversation.”

“We want to have a discussion! But only once we make it clear that the other side are a bunch of monsters!!”

18 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:12:55am

re: #13 OhNoZombies!

It’s like yelling “fire”in a movie theater, and once the panic ensues, you whisper “just kidding.”
You got the reaction you wanted, then covered you butt.

Of course. People read and react to the initial article, or the headline and the lead paragraph. They don’t read the corrections on page 25, or even the ‘But the NSA can only do this with a warrant’ in paragraph 5.

BTW, is it legal to yell, “MOVIE!!!” in a crowded firehouse?
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19 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:13:05am

What a train wreck.

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:13:40am

re: #16 lawhawk

The Guardian and Greenwald report that he didn’t have a lawyer.

Then he was offered one.

Then he had one for the last hour.

What are we going to learn next? That the reason it took 9 hours of detention was because he was offered a lawyer in hour 1, accepted a lawyer of his choosing in hour 2, and it took a couple more hours to get the lawyer to the location where he could then respond to the claims in the final hour of detention?

I wait with bated breath.

In the meantime, I await the next set of walkbacks on the NSA story from the WSJ, Guardian, and others who ran with outrageous headlines, while the actual report was so much less.

Oh, and the outrageous outrage over Cass Sunstein getting involved in the oversight. Really? That’s outrageous?

Sounds about right, he refused a lawyer or to talk without one, then when it became clear he wasn’t just going to be let go agreed to one but only if the Guardian picked up the tab which meant they had to find one on short notice and bus him/her over, then continued to use the lawyer and the language barrier to stall for as long as possible. Would not surprise me that he was told if he could hold out until the 9 hour mark, he’d just be allowed to walk.

21 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:13:40am

re: #17 Targetpractice

“We want to have a discussion! But only once we make it clear that the other side are a bunch of monsters!!”

“Allow us to document some worst case scenarios and present them as actually occurring, then somewhere towards the end, put in a sentence saying we have no evidence, but it could have happened.”

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:14:02am

There are too many damn hysterics in political discussion these days. Too many damn people with an agenda the size of Heathrow Airport who don’t have anything to contribute to the conversation so they just resort to hysteria and in this case outright deception.

23 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:14:03am

re: #7 Kragar

Dan Rather: NSA ‘is demolishing the trust in the government’

The only thing being demolished here is my trust in journalists to actually report facts.

What does he know about trust?

*breaks out Throbbing Memo *

24 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:15:06am

re: #21 Kragar

“Allow us to document some worst case scenarios and present them as actually occurring, then somewhere towards the end, put in a sentence saying we have no evidence, but it could have happened.”

“We can’t prove the worst case scenario is happening, but the ‘fact’ that it can means we must immediately shut down all intelligence gathering programs and dismantle the NSA!”

25 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:15:12am

re: #20 Targetpractice

Sounds about right, he refused a lawyer or to talk without one, then when it became clear he wasn’t just going to be let go agreed to one but only if the Guardian picked up the tab which meant they had to find one on short notice and bus him/her over, then continued to use the lawyer and the language barrier to stall for as long as possible. Would not surprise me that he was told if he could hold out until the 9 hour mark, he’d just be allowed to walk.

Sounds more and more like a blatant publicity stunt. These people suck. The Guardian is trying its damndest to become Lefty Fox News and that’s not a title they should want.

26 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:16:32am

re: #23 NJDhockeyfan

isn’t it shameful that our former leading lights of journalism are put to shame by a bunch of blog reading commenters in mere minutes after crafting some tweet or post that is supposed to either sway minds or inform the public. Sad days indeed.

27 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:17:35am

About that rocket attack on Israel this today…

28 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:18:12am

re: #24 Targetpractice

“We can’t prove the worst case scenario is happening, but the ‘fact’ that it can means we must immediately shut down all intelligence gathering programs and dismantle the NSA!”

“It’s an important conversation, provided that conversation starts from the assumption that the worst case scenario we painted is true, despite our careful, and carefully hidden, denial that we have any evidence of it.”

29 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:19:17am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Sounds more and more like a blatant publicity stunt. These people suck. The Guardian is trying its damndest to become Lefty Fox News and that’s not a title they should want.

Can’t remember which poster it was, but one stated here at LGF the same day of the incident that Miranda had made a big scene at Heathrow when they didn’t immediately hand back his passport. I’m not sure that was intentional on his part or something that Glenn was counting on by sending him on the mission into countries where he’s not fluent in the lingua franca.

30 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:21:03am

Pratt and Solomon: Obamacare Will Force Gun Owners to Undergo Electro-Shock Therapy

Solomon started off the conversation by reading from a Fort Myers, Florida News-Press story about a surge of people with severe depression or bipolar disorder seeking out electro-shock therapy treatment from a local hospital. He took this and ran with it, predicting that the government will soon force gun owners who resist home invasion to undergo the treatment.

Pratt agreed, saying, “I think part of that is what we’re seeing in Obamacare. This is going to be what you’re talking about several times over.”

There they go trying to think again.

31 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:21:38am

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

I go with sloppy reporting, reporters do not research, they just repeat.

I wish it was just that. Anymore they color and opine. And also entertain and feed a story for hits.

Facts. Journalism. Pfffft. This is the new digital entertainment world.

32 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:22:27am

re: #31 ObserverArt

I wish it was just that. Anymore they color and opine. And also entertain and feed a story for hits.

Facts. Journalism. Pfffft. This is the new digital entertainment world.

Reality tv for the internets.

33 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:23:04am

re: #30 Kragar

Pratt and Solomon: Obamacare Will Force Gun Owners to Undergo Electro-Shock Therapy

There they going to trying to think again.

What the…? How does that even make sense?

34 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:23:58am

re: #30 Kragar

Pratt and Solomon: Obamacare Will Force Gun Owners to Undergo Electro-Shock Therapy

There they going to trying to think again.

Man they have weird fetishes.

35 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:25:08am

re: #31 ObserverArt

I wish it was just that. Anymore they color and opine. And also entertain and feed a story for hits.

Facts. Journalism. Pfffft. This is the new digital entertainment world.

Don Henley was a visionary.

Youtube Video

36 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:25:30am

David Miranda: High Court restricts inspection of data

David Miranda’s lawyer: “We consider this to be a partial victory”

Material seized from a Brazilian man held at Heathrow airport under anti-terror laws can only be examined for national security purposes, judges say.

bbc.co.uk

And not just any lawyer, which leads me to believe these were lined up in advance of Miranda’s trip.

“Bindmans is a highly successful law firm offering a wide range of expert legal services. We have a reputation for excellence and for being at the cutting edge of legal developments - particularly in relation to issues around human rights, discrimination and public authorities’ powers. Many of our lawyers are nationally recognised as leading experts in their fields.” (my emphasis)

bindmans.com

So, it can be examined for national security purposes. Which is the point, so how is that a “partial victory”?

37 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:25:41am

Oh my Libertarian acquaintances will have fun explaining this one.

38 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:26:32am

re: #35 Dr Lizardo

Don Henley was a visionary.

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I challenge you to say ‘bubble-headed bleach blonde’ five times fast without saying “BEACH blonde”.

39 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:27:24am

re: #37 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh my Libertarian acquaintances will have fun explaining this one.

Like every other inconvenient fact they stumble across while cherry picking according to their confirmation bias, it will be rationalized, subject to pretzel logic, or just plain ignored.

40 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:27:46am

re: #38 GeneJockey

I challenge you to say ‘bubble-headed bleach blonde’ five times fast without saying “BEACH blonde”.

Heh.

41 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:28:04am

re: #39 Jack Burton

Like every other inconvenient fact they stumble across while cherry picking according to their confirmation bias, it will be rationalized, subject to pretzel logic, or just plain ignored.

More than likely: “Gummint plot to enslave us all!”.

42 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:28:49am

re: #36 Justanotherhuman

So, it can be examined for national security purposes. Which is the point, so how is that a “partial victory”?

Yesterday, when Wikileaks claimed that Manning’s sentence was ‘a victory for the defense’, I opined that they were not so much snatching victory from the jaws of defeat as flossing victory out of defeat’s teeth.

43 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:29:19am

re: #36 Justanotherhuman

And not just any lawyer, which leads me to believe these were lined up in advance of Miranda’s trip.

“It’s showtime!”

44 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:29:22am
45 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:30:04am

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

Heritage president and former South Carolina senator Jim DeMint continued his campaign to convince Republicans to shut down the government in a ploy to defund the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday, telling a town hall in Tampa, Florida that “This might be that last off-ramp to stop Obamacare before it becomes more enmeshed in our culture.” The law “is not about getting better health care,” he continued. Uninsured Americans “will get better health care just going to the emergency room.”

So an ER will be able to provide long term care for chronic conditions, as well as regular physicals and preventative medicine, and it will cost less than a regular doctor’s office visit? That is their position?

46 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:30:17am

re: #36 Justanotherhuman

David Miranda: High Court restricts inspection of data

David Miranda’s lawyer: “We consider this to be a partial victory”

Material seized from a Brazilian man held at Heathrow airport under anti-terror laws can only be examined for national security purposes, judges say.

bbc.co.uk

And not just any lawyer, which leads me to believe these were lined up in advance of Miranda’s trip.

“Bindmans is a highly successful law firm offering a wide range of expert legal services. We have a reputation for excellence and for being at the cutting edge of legal developments - particularly in relation to issues around human rights, discrimination and public authorities’ powers. Many of our lawyers are nationally recognised as leading experts in their fields.” (my emphasis)

bindmans.com

So, it can be examined for national security purposes. Which is the point, so how is that a “partial victory”?

“Partial victory” in the sense that the judge has ruled that the only real way the police can view whatever is found in the documents is in terms of terrorism, i.e. is there proof in them that Miranda is either a terrorist or assisting terrorists. Scotland Yard’s been going over the data and building a criminal case, but Miranda’s lawyers will argue that the data is harmless without proof of the intended user’s plans for it.

47 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:30:31am

Pratt and Solomon: Obamacare Will Force Gun Owners to Undergo Electro-Shock Therapy

actually i was just about to show up at your house and make you listen to indigo girls songs

48 Norbrook  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:31:48am

What do you want to bet that the next “revelation” will be that Miranda tried to contact the US embassy for help, and it was denied? That Miranda is a Brazilian citizen who should have contacted Brazil’s embassy will be graciously omitted for at least 24-48 hours.

49 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:33:21am

re: #45 Kragar

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

So an ER will be able to provide long term care for chronic conditions, as well as regular physicals and preventative medicine, and it will cost less than a regular doctor’s office visit? That is their position?

Are they so fucking stupid to not know that yes, ER is required to treat everyone, but if you are uninsured and NOT homeless and destitute, the cost of going to the ER will MAKE YOU HOMELESS & DESTITUTE.

50 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:33:50am

re: #48 Norbrook

Or that Miranda was actually a colony on the outer rim, where a secret government project turned every settler into dudebros.

51 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:34:07am

Also, when someone is bleeding out or having a heart attack, is not the best time to go “comparison shopping” for the best emergency deals.

52 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:34:37am

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

Are they so fucking stupid to not know that yes, ER is required to treat everyone, but if you are uninsured and NOT homeless and destitute, the cost of going to the ER will MAKE YOU HOMELESS & DESTITUTE.

The last time I went to the ER, with insurance, it cost me something like $3500.

53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:35:00am

OH PUKE

54 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:35:44am

re: #45 Kragar

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

So an ER will be able to provide long term care for chronic conditions, as well as regular physicals and preventative medicine, and it will cost less than a regular doctor’s office visit? That is their position?

No, of course not. Their position also includes that Americans go to the doctor too much, because ‘somebody else is paying for it’.

55 brennant  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:35:47am

re: #45 Kragar

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

So an ER will be able to provide long term care for chronic conditions, as well as regular physicals and preventative medicine, and it will cost less than a regular doctor’s office visit? That is their position?

My assumption is that he means ACA will be so bad for you that the ER is a better alternative.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:36:14am

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

Are they so fucking stupid to not know that yes, ER is required to treat everyone, but if you are uninsured and NOT homeless and destitute, the cost of going to the ER will MAKE YOU HOMELESS & DESTITUTE.

Even if you have insurance, it can still make you homeless and destitute…

57 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:36:42am

re: #50 Kragar

well that explains the screaming whenever McCoinnell is on TV, we’re hearing the thoughts of dead people

58 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:37:00am

re: #52 Kragar

The last time I went to the ER, with insurance, it cost me something like $3500.

I fell and broke my ankle in 2004. Not having insurance, I stayed home and self-treated with ice packs and ace bandage. It was not until 3 years later, when I had an insurance plan, I had x-rays which discovered the old fracture.

I am disabled now because of that.

59 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:37:49am

re: #46 Targetpractice

“Partial victory” in the sense that the judge has ruled that the only real way the police can view whatever is found in the documents is in terms of terrorism, i.e. is there proof in them that Miranda is either a terrorist or assisting terrorists. Scotland Yard’s been going over the data and building a criminal case, but Miranda’s lawyers will argue that the data is harmless without proof of the intended user’s plans for it.

“The High Court ruled the authorities could examine the seized material for the defence of national security and also to investigate whether Mr Miranda, 28, is a person who is or has been concerned with the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.” (my emphasis)

60 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:39:10am

If you have arthritis or cancer or diabetes, the ER will not treat it.

61 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:39:50am
62 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:41:08am
63 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:42:13am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

If you have arthritis or cancer or diabetes, the ER will not treat it.

I’m sure the ER will be glad to take care of basic pre-natal care.
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64 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:42:19am

re: #45 Kragar

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

So an ER will be able to provide long term care for chronic conditions, as well as regular physicals and preventative medicine, and it will cost less than a regular doctor’s office visit? That is their position?

That was the status quo before ACA and it is what they want to have back. Because state taxpayer-funded ER’s are not socilism…

65 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:42:24am

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

“The High Court ruled the authorities could examine the seized material for the defence of national security and also to investigate whether Mr Miranda, 28, is a person who is or has been concerned with the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.” (my emphasis)

But they’re not allowed to examine it to determine if he’s guilty of jaywalking, so…VICTORY!!!!!

66 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:42:51am

re: #63 Kragar

I’m sure the ER will be glad to take care of basic pre-natal care.
/

And labor and delivery.

67 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:43:06am

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

“The High Court ruled the authorities could examine the seized material for the defence of national security and also to investigate whether Mr Miranda, 28, is a person who is or has been concerned with the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.” (my emphasis)

At the same time…

But the ruling also meant that data cannot be used for the purposes of criminal investigation - although the court had previously heard that the Met had launched a criminal investigation after analysing the seized data.

In other words, the court says “You can look at the documents and decide if they’re of a sensitive nature…you just can’t do anything about it.”

69 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:44:27am

re: #68 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Justice Department Sues Texas Over Voter ID, Citing The Remainder Of The Voting Rights Act

Maybe that one goes all the way to the Supreme Court so Roberts can finish his work.

70 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:45:10am

re: #33 GeneJockey

What the…? How does that even make sense?

Because blah POTUS in the White House. Duh.

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71 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:45:50am

re: #62 Gus

I almost posted something from Truthout last night, but it was just too stupid.

72 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:46:18am

re: #45 Kragar

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

So an ER will be able to provide long term care for chronic conditions, as well as regular physicals and preventative medicine, and it will cost less than a regular doctor’s office visit? That is their position?

Because people without insurance can afford to go to the ER at will.

WTF.

73 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:46:19am

WikiLeaks Party in crisis over lack of transparency and support for far-right politicians

Julian Assange on Thursday took responsibility for the resignation of a key candidate from his WikiLeaks Party running in Australian elections, blaming his focus on Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning.

The fledgling party is in crisis after its number two candidate for the Australian Senate behind Assange, ethicist Leslie Cannold, said she was disillusioned with its lack of transparency and accountability and quit Wednesday.

She would have likely taken the WikiLeaks founder’s place in the upper house in the event the party was successful in the September 7 polls and Assange was unable to return to Australia, his home country.

Other members of the party, which has vowed to closely scrutinise any government in power, have also walked away, including four of its 11 governing National Council representatives.

74 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:47:06am

re: #72 Lidane

Because people without insurance can afford to go to the ER at will.

WTF.

Recycling the old Mitt Romney meme.

75 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:47:54am

re: #45 Kragar

Conservatives Finally Announce Alternative To Obamacare: Just Go To The Emergency Room

Take away the safety net, and there are no holes left. It’s all just Freedom.

76 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:47:58am

re: #67 Targetpractice

At the same time…

In other words, the court says “You can look at the documents and decide if they’re of a sensitive nature…you just can’t do anything about it.”

We’re just handling this the wrong way.

All we have to do is say that they looked at the documents and say they uncovered Russian and Chinese documents as well as US documents.

A few days later, Greenwald and Miranda come down with a mysterious case of Polonium.
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77 bratwurst  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:49:09am
78 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:50:03am

re: #77 bratwurst

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They got a woman and a Canadian! Isn’t that enough?!

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:50:24am

re: #66 Vicious Babushka

And labor and delivery.

you can always just bring along a chicken to pay for it…

80 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:50:32am

re: #77 bratwurst

Those people without flags had better wake up.

81 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:50:32am

re: #77 bratwurst

GOP diversity: LOOK LOOK I FOUND ONE

82 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:50:56am

re: #77 bratwurst

did the Dem’s have organized anti-Bush rallies? Or were those just actual pissed off voters upset with the way that things were instead of these politically sanctioned dissent hootenannies?

83 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:51:11am

re: #81 erik_t

GOP diversity: LOOK LOOK I FOUND ONE

The blue guy?

84 uncah91  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:51:27am

re: #73 Kragar

ethicist Leslie Cannold, said she was disillusioned with its lack of transparency and accountability

That’s irony, right?

85 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:51:48am

re: #71 jaunte

I almost posted something from Truthout last night, but it was just too stupid.

Yeah. It appears that Charles is/was being trolled by some Truth Out dudebros.

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:52:35am

re: #77 bratwurst

nice diversity in age too.//

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:53:21am

re: #45 Kragar

Yeah because it’s that simple. And if government run health care sucks so much, why didn’t DeMint ever refuse his benefits as a member of Congress?

88 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:54:07am


Citation needed.

89 SpaceJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:54:14am

The New Mexico Supreme Court has held that a photographer who refused to photograph a lesbian wedding is a public accommodation, the refusal to photograph the wedding violates the N.M. Human Rights Act, and enforcing the N.M. Human Rights Act against the photographer in this way does not violate the photographer’s First Amendment rights.


nmcompcomm.us

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:55:00am

re: #88 Kragar

I liked it better in the original Arabic. Got to love how he whines about Shariah law and here he is openly pining for theocracy.

91 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:55:43am

re: #89 SpaceJesus

The New Mexico Supreme Court has held that a photographer who refused to photograph a lesbian wedding is a public accommodation, the refusal to photograph the wedding violates the N.M. Human Rights Act, and enforcing the N.M. Human Rights Act against the photographer in this way does not violate the photographer’s First Amendment rights.

nmcompcomm.us

Lets have a big round of applause for NM.

92 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:55:56am

re: #88 Kragar

There is nothing wrong with America that Christ and Christianity cannot fix.

Take Dallas, for example.

93 andres  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:56:20am

re: #9 dog philosopher

can’t we watch a telenovela or something instead of this particular soap opera?

‘amores verdaderos’ is on…

I’m partial to “Corazon Blindado”…

94 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:56:27am

re: #89 SpaceJesus

What I don’t get is why people sign up for jobs like this. It’s like pharmacists who will refuse to prescribe ceftain drugs because they don’t believe in them. If photographing happy married same sex couples really bother you, find a new line of work. Ditto the florists who get bothered by it.

95 SpaceJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:56:38am

Freep preparing for hover-round invasion of New Mexico

96 SpaceJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:56:58am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

bingo

97 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:57:15am

re: #92 jaunte

Well in a way he’s right but he should be primarily looking at himself, BF is probably one of the most unlike Christ like people I’ve ever seen- bitter, intolerant, scornful, etc.

98 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:57:19am

re: #77 bratwurst

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I see bald heads, balding heads, and hey, a woman! Diversity!

99 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:58:51am

re: #64 Sol Berdinowitz

That was the status quo before ACA and it is what they want to have back. Because state taxpayer-funded ER’s are not socilism…

The Conservative arguments against healthcare reform were always an incoherent mass of nonsense anyway:

OURS IS THE BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD!!!!!

But ours is the most expensive in the world. The same drugs are much cheaper in other countries, and Pharma still makes money there.

WE SUBSIDIZE EVERYONE ELSE THROUGH OUR PROFITS!!!!

And many folks aren’t covered, and can’t afford to get coverage

THERE’S THE ER! NOBODY IS DENIED CARE!!!!

But that’s the most expensive healthcare there is. And we all pay for it.

THAT’S BECAUSE POOR PEOPLE ARE LAZY, OR THEY’D ALL BE RICH LIKE ME!!!!!

And it is really, really hard - even impossible - to get coverage if you have a preexisting condition.

YOU GOT CANCER, THAT’S TOO BAD. BUT IT’S NOT MY PROBLEM!!!!!

But other countries have better health results, cover everyone, and do it all for much, much less, both per capita and as a percent of GDP.

EUROPEAN HEALTHCARE IS A NIGHTMARE!!!! PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT HOURS IN CLINICS!!!! PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES COME HERE FOR HEALTHCARE I heard one time…

100 SpaceJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:59:10am

re: #91 Kragar

Fairly certain this will be appealed up

101 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:59:11am

re: #92 jaunte

I applaud’s Christ’s handling of the BP oil rig spill too

102 jimmyvluv4u  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:59:58am

re: #91 Kragar

This is a big deal - gay marriage is not officially legal here in NM, and the SC just affirmed gays as a protected class. There is a lot of momentum here in the form of legal action and some county clerks wanting to issue gay marriage licenses. I think one is actually issuing them now. I bet it is legal in NM in the very near future.

103 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:00:56pm

If conservatives were right, and making something legal means everyone would do it, then wouldn’t everyone drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, attend the same church or buy as many guns as they could afford, because its all legal? Its almost people who wish to engage in certain behavior are allowed to do so, without forcing anyone to join them unless they want to.

Its almost like conservatives are full of shit or something.

104 SpaceJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:01:06pm

re: #102 jimmyvluv4u

Well, it’s never been illegal here either, so it’s completely possible that gay marriage has been legal all along.

105 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:02:16pm

re: #103 Kragar

Its almost like conservatives are full of shit or something.

What a relief that that’s still legal.

106 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:02:17pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

I fell and broke my ankle in 2004. Not having insurance, I stayed home and self-treated with ice packs and ace bandage. It was not until 3 years later, when I had an insurance plan, I had x-rays which discovered the old fracture.

I am disabled now because of that.

I really have trouble getting my head around the suffering Americans go through because of the health system.

That just doesn’t happen here.

107 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:02:47pm

re: #102 jimmyvluv4u

This is a big deal - gay marriage is not officially legal here in NM, and the SC just affirmed gays as a protected class. There is a lot of momentum here in the form of legal action and some county clerks wanting to issue gay marriage licenses. I think one is actually issuing them now. I bet it is legal in NM in the very near future.

One of the clerks already is, on the grounds the NM Constitution specifically has a nondiscrimination clause. The State Attorney general looked at it and said, “Yup, that’s right.”

108 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:03:22pm

re: #103 Kragar

Its almost like conservatives are full of shit or something.

Why do you hate America?

109 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:03:50pm

re: #98 Carlos Danger

I see bald heads, balding heads, and hey, a woman! Diversity!

Ain’t nothin’ wrong with a bald head.

Some women like them.

110 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:03:55pm

re: #103 Kragar

If conservatives were right, and making something legal means everyone would do it, then wouldn’t everyone drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, attend the same church or buy as many guns as they could afford, because its all legal? Its almost people who wish to engage in certain behavior are allowed to do so, without forcing anyone to join them unless they want to.

Its almost like conservatives are full of shit or something.

And then they also claim that making something ILLEGAL (like GUNZ, but never ABORTION) WILL MAKE EVERYBODY WANT TO DO IT!!111!!

111 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:04:00pm

Honestly there really needs to be a federal law banning discrimination based on sexuality. Goddamn the nutjobs who think criminalizing discrimination is discrimination against them.

112 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:04:02pm

re: #108 Lidane

Why do you hate America?

The South.

113 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:04:10pm

Just had another encounter with an emoprog pseudo-journalist, after I caught him straight up lying about Joshua Foust concealing his history as a defense consultant.

They’re all mini-Greenwalds now, spewing insults and lying and misrepresenting.

114 jimmyvluv4u  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:04:17pm

#107 Kragar

Additionally there has been some noise that nowhere in NM law is marriage defined as man-woman only, so essentially gay marriage is already legal. I’m betting that’s the eventual outcome that leads to truly recognized gay marriage.

115 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:04:40pm

Meanwhile, at the Washington Post…

116 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:05:22pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

And then they also claim that making something ILLEGAL (like GUNZ, but never ABORTION) WILL MAKE EVERYBODY WANT TO DO IT!!111!!

If criminal behavior is outlawed, only outlaws will behave like criminals.

117 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:06:02pm

Anybody have a video showing how smashed system boards can reassemble into an iMac Pro?

118 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:06:28pm

re: #116 GeneJockey

If criminal behavior is outlawed, only outlaws will behave like criminals.

And some inlaws.

119 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:07:23pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

And then they also claim that making something ILLEGAL (like GUNZ, but never ABORTION) WILL MAKE EVERYBODY WANT TO DO IT!!111!!

I’ve brought that up to a wingnut before. His “defense” was to argue that if something is made illegal and society applies enough pressure, people won’t engage in the illegal act. Or, in other words, he advocated making it socially acceptable to engage in slut-shaming for the purpose of making abortion illegal.

120 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:07:47pm

re: #118 Creepy Totalitarianist

And some inlaws.

Those would be in-and-out laws, and as you know, the Right believes strongly in laws about in-and-out.

121 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:08:36pm

re: #89 SpaceJesus

Have to confess that when I read the URL nmcompcomm.us, I thought it read nincompoop.us.

Back to the issue at hand though, New Mexico has an interesting assortment of laws involved here. NM law prohibits public accommodations from discriminating against people based on their sexual orientation. The photographers don’t contest their public accommodation status under NMHRA. By refusing to photograph the commitment ceremony between two women, they violated the NMHRA but this does not violate the Free Speech or the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

The key is that NM has this NMHRA - NMSA 1978, §§ 28-1-1 to -13, which extends additional requirements for access to services that other states don’t have.

The photographer admitted that they were subject to the NMHRA, so that was the ballgame. If they’re providing photographic services to the public, they can’t discriminate against someone based on sexual orientation.

122 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:08:40pm
123 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:09:16pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

I’ve brought that up to a wingnut before. His “defense” was to argue that if something is made illegal and society applies enough pressure, people won’t engage in the illegal act. Or, in other words, he advocated making it socially acceptable to engage in slut-shaming for the purpose of making abortion illegal.

This makes me think Kragar’s onto something when he(he?) says “Its almost like conservatives are full of shit or something.”

124 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:09:20pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

I’ve brought that up to a wingnut before. His “defense” was to argue that if something is made illegal and society applies enough pressure, people won’t engage in the illegal act. Or, in other words, he advocated making it socially acceptable to engage in slut-shaming for the purpose of making abortion illegal.

But why can’t that also apply to GUNZ?

Oh because SECOND AMENDMENT TRUMPS ALL TEH OTHER AMENDMENTS AND TEH WHOLE CONSTITION!!!111!!!

125 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:09:53pm

re: #122 darthstar

Maybe someone should come up with bullets laced with brains as a “natural deterrent” against idiot Idaho gun nuts.

126 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:10:30pm

re: #120 GeneJockey

Those would be in-and-out laws, and as you know, the Right believes strongly in laws about in-and-out.

They hate all those coming out of the closet ‘cause they’re happy cowering in the closet.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:10:44pm

re: #120 GeneJockey

Those would be in-and-out laws, and as you know, the Right believes strongly in laws about in-and-out.

burgers!!!!

128 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:11:21pm

re: #122 darthstar

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Again, is there ANY reason why ANYONE would think that, in Islam, you can be denied salvation based on what others do to you?

129 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:11:50pm

re: #123 GeneJockey

This makes me think Kragar’s onto something when he(he?) says “Its almost like conservatives are full of shit or something.”

The Kragster is a dude.

130 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:12:34pm

re: #129 Creepy Totalitarianist

The Kragster is a dude.

Negative.
Meat popsicle.

131 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:12:37pm

re: #128 GeneJockey

Again, is there ANY reason why ANYONE would think that, in Islam, you can be denied salvation based on what others do to you?

But it’s pork. PORK, I tell you! That will surely keep those scary Moozlims away from a Real American’s family.

132 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:12:38pm

re: #122 darthstar

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So, explain the science of that to me exactly.

I imagine it works on the same principle as the square bullets designed for use against the Turks.

133 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:13:09pm

re: #106 Creepy Totalitarianist

What sucks is a lot of it is self-inflicted. Too many people buy the fear tactics said about your country and other countries with similar health care systems. The fact that the U.S is one of the few if any countries in the Western world without some form of socialized medicine should tell Americans something but unfortunately I think it convinces some Americans that it makes us even more awesome. I just know one thing. I’m damn lucky that I could stay on my parents plan because I needed and got that defibrillator installed in my heart.

134 SpaceJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:13:25pm

re: #121 lawhawk

Yep. What I like most about this decision is that I believe it gives us insight into how the Court will eventually rule on same-sex marriage when/if the collection of cases gets to them.

135 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:13:27pm

re: #126 Creepy Totalitarianist

They hate all those coming out of the closet ‘cause they’re happy cowering in the closet.

They also hate sluts because sluts would be have experience on which to evaluate their performance. A virgin wouldn’t know just how lousy and selfish a sex partner you are.

136 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:13:30pm

re: #132 Kragar

So, explain the science of that to me exactly.

I imagine it works on the same principle as the square bullets designed for use against the Turks.

It’s sort of like how dowsing yourself in holy water makes you bulletproof. And just as effective.

137 jaunte  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:13:31pm

re: #122 darthstar

Cost of fifty pork-coated 9mm rounds designed by an Idaho company as a “natural deterrent” to radical Islam: $24.75 (Sep ‘13)

Cargo cult magic.

138 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:14:01pm

re: #132 Kragar

So, explain the science of that to me exactly.

I imagine it works on the same principle as the square bullets designed for use against the Turks.

They done killed Porky!

139 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:14:12pm

Why put that pork to waste when it could be used on a perfectly good pork sandwich?

140 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:14:20pm

re: #137 jaunte

Cargo cult magic.

A fool and his money…

141 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:15:28pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Why put that pork to waste when it could be used on a perfectly good pork sandwich?

Or delicious carnitas.

142 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:16:22pm

re: #141 Kragar

Si se puede!

143 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:16:48pm
144 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:16:49pm

re: #141 Kragar

Or delicious carnitas.

All this pork talk is making me hungry! Luckily, I have a sandwich made with leftover roast pork for lunch.

It’s on Jewish rye, oddly enough.

145 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:16:50pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

What sucks is a lot of it is self-inflicted. Too many people buy the fear tactics said about your country and other countries with similar health care systems. The fact that the U.S is one of the few if any countries in the Western world without some form of socialized medicine should tell Americans something but unfortunately I think it convinces some Americans that it makes us even more awesome.

There are waiting lines for some procedures here, but those are generally less severe cases. If you have cancer, a bad heart, or hundreds of other severe problems, you don’t wait.

I just know one thing. I’m damn lucky that I could stay on my parents plan because I needed and got that defibrillator installed in my heart.

As are we my friend.

146 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:03pm

re: #130 Pavlovian Hive Mind

+1 for the Fifth Element reference.

147 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:09pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

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Lol.

148 kerFuFFler  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:28pm

re: #33 GeneJockey

What the…? How does that even make sense?

Maybe deep down they realize they ARE crazy!

149 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:29pm

re: #141 Kragar

Or delicious carnitas.

Or some tasty braised pork chops.

150 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:49pm

re: #135 GeneJockey

They also hate sluts because sluts would be have experience on which to evaluate their performance. A virgin wouldn’t know just how lousy and selfish a sex partner you are.

“You want me to do what?”

“Can’t I just lay on top of you and grind my hips?”

151 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:51pm

re: #145 Creepy Totalitarianist

Right. And yeah I am really lucky and fortunate it worked out. It’s motivated me to take better care of myself.

152 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:17:51pm

re: #144 GeneJockey

All this pork talk is making me hungry! Luckily, I have a sandwich made with leftover roast pork for lunch.

It’s on Jewish rye, oddly enough.

I think I’ll make some carnitas kim-chee ramen tonight.

153 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:18:12pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

or excellent kielbasa dogs.

154 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:18:18pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

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Sure, assuming you’re totally ignorant about chem weapons having a shelf life.

155 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:18:49pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

Are they so fucking stupid to not know that yes, ER is required to treat everyone, but if you are uninsured and NOT homeless and destitute, the cost of going to the ER will MAKE YOU HOMELESS & DESTITUTE.

Actually I think they’d be much happier if a whole slew of people they don’t like would just go ahead and die.

Think of how small the government would be then…lowered budgets and they’d feel so good about cutting assistance and increasing personal responsibility.

Now what was all that about Death Squads?

156 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:19:19pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Sure, assuming you’re totally ignorant about chem weapons having a shelf life.

A Best Before Date?

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:20:28pm

re: #156 Creepy Totalitarianist

A Best Before Date?

Best to use chemical weapons before a date, yes…

158 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:20:48pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Some crazy chick on cnn just said Syrian chem weapons could be “Saddam’s hidden WMDs” Wtf faceplant. Stupid is as stupid does #UniteBlue

— United Forces (@GeeOhPees2) August 22, 2013

That has been a long-standing RWNJ talking point.

159 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:20:54pm

re: #157 Sol Berdinowitz

Best to use chemical weapons before a date, yes…

Women call it “hair spray.”

//*ducks*

160 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:21:31pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Pat Dollard lackey:

161 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:21:45pm

re: #157 Sol Berdinowitz

Best to use chemical weapons before a date, yes…

For best flavor lethality, use or freeze by date on bottom of package bomb.

162 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:22:04pm

I hate to sound like I am going to attack my generation here but the mindset many under 30’s have “I’m not going to get sick so why get insured” is unbelievably stupid. Many people with my condition only get it discovered post-mardem when it’s way too late. Hell, I don’t know how long it would have gone undiscovered in me if I hadn’t wanted to go out for the football team and I got a cardiologist look at me since murmurs run in my family.

163 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:22:23pm

Beck: ‘The Nazis Are Here’

For the last several days, Glenn Beck and his The Blaze network have been heavily focused on the plight of Coptic Christians in Egypt, culminating in a segment on his radio program today in which Beck grew increasingly emotional as he declared that the Nazis have returned, just as he predicted.

“It is the Night of Broken Glass,” Beck said, “the Nazis are here. They have finally walked through that door. When I was comparing people to Nazis in the Muslim Brotherhood and everybody said ‘oh no, they’re not Nazis,’ well now you can see that they are!”

164 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:22:40pm

In the meantime, and OT, but NO MORE PR0N AMERICA IS DOOMED!

Long story short, the San FernPornando Valley adult film industry voluntarily shut down production after a performer tested positive for HIV.

dailynews.com

165 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:22:46pm

Just had this go through my Tweet-Stream

A comment provides some background.

In case you haven’t been following this - TX Brine and LA officials have flown in experts for nearly a year. Their response to how to resolve, or how big, or cause: “we don’t know’. Lots of video on this type of action - Jindal surely doesn’t want to talk about it!

To be fair, I am not sure what could be done about the tree-sucking hole.

166 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:23:01pm

re: #160 Lidane

Pat Dollard lackey:

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Clearly, Syria could only have obtained those weapons from Saddam, because in the entire world, only Saddam had the ability to make Sarin gas.

167 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:23:07pm

re: #158 Dr. Matt

That has been a long-standing RWNJ talking point.

Pretty much since before the US invasion of Iraq.

168 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:24:33pm

re: #165 ProTARDISLiberal

Just had this go through my Tweet-Stream

A comment provides some background.

To be fair, I am not sure what could be done about the tree-sucking hole.

I’ve heard Jindal called a lot of things, but never a tree sucking hole.

/rimshot

169 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:24:41pm

re: #163 Kragar

I am tired of him cheapening what the Nazis actually were by comparing every damn group he doesn’t like to it. Honestly, screw the MB but screw Beck too for comparing them to the Nazis. Beck continues to show he has no empathy for the people who actually suffered under the Nazis by using this cheap comparison.

170 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:25:08pm

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

Pretty much since before the US invasion of Iraq.

More like a few months after, when the chemical weapons Rumsfeld said ‘we know where they are’ about failed to appear.

171 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:25:14pm
172 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:26:02pm

Science!

173 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:26:11pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I hate to sound like I am going to attack my generation here but the mindset many under 30’s have “I’m not going to get sick so why get insured” is unbelievably stupid. Many people with my condition only get it discovered post-mardem when it’s way too late. Hell, I don’t know how long it would have gone undiscovered in me if I hadn’t wanted to go out for the football team and I got a cardiologist look at me since murmurs run in my family.

All teens think they’re immortal, it comes with the territory. “That’s something old people have to worry about.” Then you wake up one day, you’re 30 with no health insurance and pissing blood. And what does the doctor say? “This has actually been developing for some time, I’m surprised you didn’t show symptoms before now.” But yet, you did, you just brushed them off as “not getting enough sleep” or “partying too hard.”

174 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:26:26pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s almost enough for a downpayment on a studio condo in Manhattan!

175 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:26:54pm

re: #170 GeneJockey

More like a few months after, when the chemical weapons Rumsfeld said ‘we know where they are’ about failed to appear.

I could swear I remember hearing it before the invasion, when some of the RW talking heads were saying that Saddam would move his WMD’s to Syria in order to dupe UN weapons inspectors. But it was so long ago, it’s possible I’ve gotten the time frame confused.

176 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:28:19pm

re: #122 darthstar

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Oye vey.

177 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:28:36pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

All teens think they’re immortal, it comes with the territory. “That’s something old people have to worry about.” Then you wake up one day, you’re 30 with no health insurance and pissing blood. And what does the doctor say? “This has actually been developing for some time, I’m surprised you didn’t show symptoms before now.” But yet, you did, you just brushed them off as “not getting enough sleep” or “partying too hard.”

Yep. Been there myself. I’d rather be safe than dead.

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:29:06pm

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

I could swear I remember hearing it before the invasion, when some of the RW talking heads were saying that Saddam would move his WMD’s to Syria in order to dupe UN weapons inspectors. But it was so long ago, it’s possible I’ve gotten the time frame confused.

I remember that being the talk when Blix came back saying he saw no WMDs, that Saddam had driven them all into Syria, hoping to fool the inspectors, and the intel services had pictures of the trucks rolling across the border.

179 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:29:44pm

re: #168 Kragar

I think it is a perfectly cromulent description for the sinkhole.

Also, I really don’t see what could be done to stop it.

180 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:30:06pm

re: #163 Kragar

Beck: ‘The Nazis Are Here’

So now he’s dragging Kristallnacht into his delusional ravings? Lovely.

181 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:30:21pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

You Oughta Look Out

Youtube Video

182 darthstar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:30:34pm

re: #165 ProTARDISLiberal

Just had this go through my Tweet-Stream

A comment provides some background.

To be fair, I am not sure what could be done about the tree-sucking hole.

Not only are trees a good source of fiber, but sink-holes love ‘em!

Youtube Video

183 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:31:25pm

Glenn Beck: The Boy Who Cried Hitler.

184 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:31:32pm

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

I could swear I remember hearing it before the invasion, when some of the RW talking heads were saying that Saddam would move his WMD’s to Syria in order to dupe UN weapons inspectors. But it was so long ago, it’s possible I’ve gotten the time frame confused.

Those were probably the idiots who knew Rumsfeld et al were lying but who wanted others to go fight their war for them anyway.

185 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:31:44pm

re: #172 Gus

Science!

*Citation Needed*

186 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:31:52pm
187 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:32:16pm

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

I could swear I remember hearing it before the invasion, when some of the RW talking heads were saying that Saddam would move his WMD’s to Syria in order to dupe UN weapons inspectors. But it was so long ago, it’s possible I’ve gotten the time frame confused.

That may be, but what I remember was people saying the UN Inspectors were SO DUMB for not finding anything that they couldn’t find their own ass with both hands, and we’d be stumbling over the damned things when we went in. It was only later, when we found NO EVIDENCE that the ‘They were trucked to Syria!!’ talking point became prevalent.

Oh, and then we’d find something that had been buried in Gulf War I, which nobody had any idea was there, and you’d hear, “YOU SEE!!! HE DID HAVE WMDS!!! BET YOU FEEL STUPID NOW!!!!

188 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:32:51pm
189 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:33:40pm

Please proceed:

190 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:33:47pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Yeah because it’s that simple. And if government run health care sucks so much, why didn’t DeMint ever refuse his benefits as a member of Congress?

And of course how convenient no one seems to remember to ask Demint about the history of Obamacare being based on The Heritage Foundation recommended model.

This never gets in the debate the way it should.

And, why isn’t Demint on that Obamacare panel pictured in this thread? Maybe someone did realize the connections.

191 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:34:26pm

re: #186 Lidane

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I think Sam Stein just won the internet for today. We can all go home.

Or back to work….

192 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:34:30pm

re: #189 Lidane

Please proceed:

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Pllease proceed and please fall flat on your face.

193 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:35:15pm

re: #187 GeneJockey

That may be, but what I remember was people saying the UN Inspectors were SO DUMB for not finding anything that they couldn’t find their own ass with both hands, and we’d be stumbling over the damned things when we went in. It was only later, when we found NO EVIDENCE that the ‘They were trucked to Syria!!’ talking point became prevalent.

Oh, and then we’d find something that had been buried in Gulf War I, which nobody had any idea was there, and you’d hear, “YOU SEE!!! HE DID HAVE WMDS!!! BET YOU FEEL STUPID NOW!!!!

Heh. I remember that; we’d find some old chem weapon shells that had either been buried during Gulf War I or some forgotten local weapons depot from the Iran-Iraq War, and the RW’ers would all start screaming bloody murder about how right they were.

194 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:35:39pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

I think Sam Stein just won the internet for today. We can all go home.

Or back to work….

Work is overrated. That’s why I hired interns. Hehe.

And yes, they get paid a fair wage.

195 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:35:51pm

re: #172 Gus

Science!

And the stupid keep right on going.
And going
And going…

196 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:36:39pm

re: #194 Lidane

Work is overrated. That’s why I hired interns. Hehe.

My minions keep interrupting me with their endless questions about what they’re supposed to do. Like I know!

197 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:37:16pm

re: #189 Lidane

Please proceed:

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Like how he takes the time to acknowledge he’s not a lawyer, before opining at length about how he thinks so much of what the administration does rises to the level of high crimes or misdemeanors.

Like watching a zoo keeper throw red meat to the lions.

198 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:37:26pm

Someone PLEASE ask Chris Christie about this during his next press conference:

199 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:37:34pm

re: #189 Lidane

Please proceed:

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200 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:38:08pm

From my cursory search less than 10 people of died due to radiation from plutonium.
NEXT!

201 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:38:36pm

re: #196 GeneJockey

My minions keep interrupting me with their endless questions about what they’re supposed to do. Like I know!

If I knew their job I’d be doing it. Heh.

202 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:38:59pm

I forget not to use the less than sign….

203 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:39:31pm

re: #202 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I forget not to use the less than sign….

…and to Preview…

204 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:39:58pm

re: #182 darthstar

Not only are trees a good source of fiber, but sink-holes love ‘em!

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Where’s the shark?

205 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:40:15pm

re: #201 Lidane

If I knew their job I’d be doing it. Heh.

With my recent promotion, for the first time ever I have people working for me who are doing things I don’t know how to do myself. It’s weird.

206 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:44:09pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

…and to Preview…

SILENCE!

207 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:44:35pm
208 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:44:49pm

Okay impeach Obama and then they’ll be crying to impeach Biden because because!

209 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:45:59pm

re: #207 Lidane

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It’s true they do have a plan, it’s called Obamacare. The plan you know they supported when it was the Republican alternative to Clintoncare but then ran away from since Barack Obama proposed it. Rove should just retire. No on likes him or thinks he has anything of real substance to offer.

210 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:46:13pm
211 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:47:53pm

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

How soon before The Guardian blames the NSA and Obama for the bird dying?

212 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:50:10pm

Rush Limbaugh loves traumatic brain injuries

213 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:50:54pm

To be fair, the taxpayer probably paid for that swan.

214 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:57:05pm

re: #212 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh loves traumatic brain injuries

“Chickified” says the man who is basically a career gossip girl. Shut up Rush. There’s a reason why your fat ass got relegated to being a shock jock loser.

215 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:57:12pm

Now the Greenwald apologists are saying this post is “irrelevant” to “the larger story.”

Imagine my surprise.

216 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:57:53pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Now the Greenwald apologists are saying this post is “irrelevant” to “the larger story.”

Imagine my surprise.

Of course it’s irrelevant just like Snowden paling up with dictatorships is irrelevant.

217 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:58:40pm

Hey All! Just a note aside from the madness of the Guardian ( Never mind the truth let’s sell this rag ) I just won Tickets to the OU Football game on 8-31! Now..Who am I going to take with me? mmmm.. Good times!

218 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:58:47pm

re: #212 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh loves traumatic brain injuries

Real men can just power through the long-term degradation of motor and speech functions. That’s why Rush never used pain killers for his ear problems.

But seriously, this is what is meant when feminists talk about how patriarchy also hurts men (to the benefit of a smaller, elite group of men): how is it not-masculine-therefore-bad to not want to have a serious injury?

219 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 12:59:04pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Now the Greenwald apologists are saying this post is “irrelevant” to “the larger story.”

Imagine my surprise.

Image: IRRELEVANT.jpg

220 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:00:22pm

British police say seized Snowden-linked data could put lives at risk

(Reuters) - British police said on Thursday that documents seized from the partner of a journalist, who has led coverage of Edward Snowden’s leaks about U.S. and British electronic spying, were “highly sensitive” and, if disclosed, could put lives at risk.

Counter-terrorism detectives said they had begun a criminal investigation following a preliminary examination of the material taken from David Miranda, partner of American journalist Glenn Greenwald, after he was held for nine hours at London’s Heathrow Airport on Sunday.

reuters.com

I think some people are in deep shit and peddling as fast as they can to try to divert the fact that they are. I mean, WTF is a Brazilian national doing with NSA material if not acting as a courier between Poitras and Greenwald? IIRC, something I read in the last month or so said that Snowden gave Poitras all the material he had stolen from the NSA, while Greenwald said he himself only had a portion of it.

221 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:00:48pm

re: #218 The Ghost of a Flea

Real men can just power through the long-term degradation of motor and speech functions. That’s why Rush never used pain killers for his ear problems.

But seriously, this is what is meant when feminists talk about how patriarchy also hurts men (to the benefit of a smaller, elite group of men): how is it not-masculine-therefore-bad to not want to have a serious injury?

It’s not. It’s a human desire. Rush is just being his usual pathetic self. For a man who got out of military service because of a boil on his fat ass, he’s the last that should lecture any man about their masculinity.

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:01:00pm

Looks like going back to school has changed somewhat over the decades…

Photo: back to school supplies at Walgreens

223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:01:43pm

Texas Lt. Gov (and Rick Perry’s BFF) David Dewhurst tries to pull a “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM” to get a relative out of a shoplifting arrest, fails.

“This is David Dewhurst, and I’m the lieutenant governor of the State of Texas,” he tells the dispatcher, who forwarded the call to a police department sergeant.

“What do I need to do to arrange for getting her out of jail this evening?” Dewhurst asks the police officer.

The officer explains that the case is now in the hands of Collin County authorities and there’s nothing he can do to expedite the woman’s release.

“I am, every year, the number-one pick of all of the law enforcement agencies within Texas,” Dewhurst tells the officer. “You don’t know it, but I’m a supporter of you and a supporter of law enforcement.”

Dewhurst repeatedly asks what he needs to do to get the woman out of jail, and is politely instructed by the Allen police officer to call the sheriff’s office.

“This is ridiculous,” Dewhurst says. “This lady, in my mind, is 100 percent innocent, and it’s just an unfortunate situation of circumstances.”

On several occasions, Dewhurst says the commander of the Texas Department of Public Safety will be calling to follow up on his inquiry.

“We don’t decide guilt or innocence,” the police sergeant calmly explains to the lieutenant governor, who then asked for the phone number of the sergeant’s supervisor and of the Collin County judge and sheriff. The sergeant declined both requests.

Allen Police Department spokesman Sgt. Jon Felty said every department policy was followed.

“Our procedure was followed to the letter, nothing was done that should not have been done. No favors granted, anything of that nature,” he said.

Felty also commended the officer who spoke with Dewhurst. “He handled it professionally. He knew who he was talking to, obviously, and he didn’t handle it any different than he would have for any other citizen for the state of Texas.”

224 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:01:55pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like going back to school has changed somewhat over the decades…

Photo: back to school supplies at Walgreens

Yeah, I always had my fridge at my dorm full of better supplies than Miller Lite.

225 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:02:10pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like going back to school has changed somewhat over the decades…

Photo: back to school supplies at Walgreens

That’s for Mom after she gets all the little buggers out the door.

226 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:02:28pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like going back to school has changed somewhat over the decades…

Photo: back to school supplies at Walgreens

That would have qualified when I was in college.

227 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:03:03pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I always had my fridge at my dorm full of better supplies than Miller Lite.

Mine too. We had Genessee!

228 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:03:24pm

re: #212 Kragar

Rushbo. Mister masculinity. ///

229 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:04:18pm

re: #223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Felty also commended the officer who spoke with Dewhurst. “He handled it professionally. He knew who he was talking to, obviously, and he didn’t handle it any different than he would have for any other citizen for the state of Texas.”

And I’m sure Dewhurst will make sure people pay for that.

230 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:04:26pm

re: #227 GeneJockey

Mine too. We had Genessee!

I always mixed it up. My place was never party central but it made for a good pre-gaming or post-gaming locale.

231 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:04:37pm

re: #228 Bulworth

Rushbo. Mister masculinity. ///

Yeah, he has bigger tits than I do.

232 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:05:39pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

It’s not. It’s a human desire. Rush is just being his usual pathetic self. For a man who got out of military service because of a boil on his fat ass, he’s the last that should lecture any man about their masculinity.

Or to talk about the sanctity of marriage, or about the veracity of scientific evidence, or what it’s like to belong to a minority in America. You name it, he’s probably the last guy who should be talking to anyone about it from any position of authority.

233 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:06:07pm

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, he has bigger tits than I do.

So, you’re a C cup?

234 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:06:34pm

re: #232 GeneJockey

Or to talk about the sanctity of marriage, or about the veracity of scientific evidence, or what it’s like to belong to a minority in America. You name it, he’s probably the last guy who should be talking to anyone about it from any position of authority.

He could give a mad lecture on the financial benefits that you can get from being a dick sandwich though.

235 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:06:37pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Now the Greenwald apologists are saying this post is “irrelevant” to “the larger story.”

Imagine my surprise.

What is the “larger story”? Oh right, Glenn Greenwald selling stolen documents as “proof” that his black helicopter fantasies are the absolute truth.

236 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:06:43pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

That’s for Mom after she gets all the little buggers out the door.

Nah, These are Mothers little helpers

237 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:06:59pm

“I am, every year, the number-one pick of all of the law enforcement agencies within Texas,” Dewhurst tells the officer. “You don’t know it, but I’m a supporter of you and a supporter of law enforcement.”

This is just political bullshit and the officer knew it. If anything happens to him regarding his job, I’m sure a good lawyer will step up to the plate for him.

Everyone knows Dewhurst is a total asshole. I hope this entire thing backfires on him.

238 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:09:01pm
239 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:09:17pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I always mixed it up. My place was never party central but it made for a good pre-gaming or post-gaming locale.

Senior year a friend and I split on an old fridge we found in the want ads. We spent about $12 each, IIRC, and hauled it back to the dorm in his Dodge Coronet. He got me a key to his room, so I could access it.

We kept it stocked with Genessee, which was better than the Iron City and Rolling Rock that were also prevalent at that time and place.

240 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:10:10pm

On the flip side, Texas is really getting a hang of the whole third world banana republic theme they’ve decided to run with.

241 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:10:56pm

re: #239 GeneJockey

Senior year a friend and I split on an old fridge we found in the want ads. We spent about $12 each, IIRC, and hauled it back to the dorm in his Dodge Coronet. He got me a key to his room, so I could access it.

We kept it stocked with Genessee, which was better than the Iron City and Rolling Rock that were also prevalent at that time and place.

Brilliant.

242 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:11:39pm

Everything is bigger in Texas, our dickhead politicians include Rick Perry, Ted Cruz, Dave Dewhurst, and the idiot who called Wendy Davis a terrorist.

243 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:12:05pm

re: #239 GeneJockey

What, no Old Milwaukee? /////

244 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:12:16pm

re: #240 Kragar

On the flip side, Texas is really getting a hang of the whole third world banana republic theme they’ve decided to run with.

We had that down to an art form ages ago. Now it’s all about perfcting our skills.

245 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:13:05pm

re: #243 Bulworth

What, no Old Milwaukee? /////

Old Milwaukee was what you got if you couldn’t afford ‘Arrn City’, which you got if you couldn’t afford Genessee.

246 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:13:27pm

re: #243 Bulworth

What, no Old Milwaukee? /////

or Keystone.// Seriously, as much as I liked paying only a five buck flat fee for the frat parties I went to. There was a part of me that would have been as content to just go to one of the bars off campus.

247 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:13:45pm

re: #244 Lidane

We had that down to an art form ages ago. Now it’s all about perfcting our skills.

Well, you guys are certainly trying to play to a bigger audience now.

248 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:14:11pm
249 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:14:13pm

re: #245 GeneJockey

Yeah I think Old Milwaukee was what you got if the pond was dry.

250 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:14:30pm

You know you’ve been to a college party when the best vodka you see is Burnetts. I’ve developed a law for vodka- if it’s not foreign or exotic sounding i.e. SMirnoff or Grey Goose, stay the hell away from it.

251 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:14:51pm

re: #247 Kragar

Well, you guys are certainly trying to play to a bigger audience now.

Yeah. And unfortunately, the lead actors in this current production are made of staggering amounts of fail.

252 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:16:28pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

I get it - Chris Parnell is Bryan Fischer.

“CHRIS PARNELL I did this Southern preacher, who, it comes out through his sermon, is sexually obsessed and really inappropriate.”

253 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:16:34pm

re: #244 Lidane

We had that down to an art form ages ago. Now it’s all about perfcting our skills.

“Citizens of Parador, our native foods are very tasty, but they are also very dangerous!”

254 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:17:17pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

You know you’ve been to a college party when the best vodka you see is Burnetts. I’ve developed a law for vodka- if it’s not foreign or exotic sounding i.e. SMirnoff or Grey Goose, stay the hell away from it.

I have a similar rule for Vodka, but it just consists of “stay the hell away from it.”

255 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:17:37pm
256 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:17:49pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Honestly there really needs to be a federal law banning discrimination based on sexuality. Goddamn the nutjobs who think criminalizing discrimination is discrimination against them.

Really, have you thought lately about the ERA?

257 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:18:20pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

or Keystone.// Seriously, as much as I liked paying only a five buck flat fee for the frat parties I went to. There was a part of me that would have been as content to just go to one of the bars off campus.

Shit, Genessee was $5 for a case!

258 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:18:24pm

re: #252 lawhawk

I get it - Chris Parnell is Bryan Fischer.

“CHRIS PARNELL I did this Southern preacher, who, it comes out through his sermon, is sexually obsessed and really inappropriate.”

I would have thought Sacha Baron Cohen but I think Lord Monckton is his creation.
Youtube Video

259 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:18:58pm

re: #254 Kragar

I have a similar rule for Vodka, but it just consists of “stay the hell away from it.”

That’s my Gin rule.

260 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:20:19pm

re: #255 Dr. Matt

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Cue the squeals of outrage. “How DARE you suggest we’re terrorists?!”

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:20:28pm

re: #257 GeneJockey

Shit, Genessee was $5 for a case!

I’ll go ahead and admit it… I was a PBR gal…

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:21:05pm

re: #259 GeneJockey

That’s my Gin rule.

gah…me too. Like drinking perfume. Even I was never that desperate…

263 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:21:32pm

I can’t read the rest of the thread.

Did I miss anything?

264 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:21:51pm

re: #259 GeneJockey

That’s my Gin rule.

Yeah, I’ve never gotten into gin. Just never liked the taste.

265 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:21:55pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

You know you’ve been to a college party when the best vodka you see is Burnetts. I’ve developed a law for vodka- if it’s not foreign or exotic sounding i.e. SMirnoff or Grey Goose, stay the hell away from it.

You know, if the vodka could be mistaken for paint thinner, you’re better off drinking something else.

266 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:22:05pm

re: #259 GeneJockey

That’s my Gin rule.

There were a few months in my early 20s where I drank heavily, but after several awkward experiences, I decided I’d skip hard liquor, and after my first kid was born, I basically stopped drinking altogether.

267 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:22:06pm

re: #254 Kragar

I have a similar rule for Vodka, but it just consists of “stay the hell away from it.”

Image: the-perfect-martini.gif

268 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:22:12pm

re: #248 Lidane

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SCS: Parents were not notified of shot fired in cafeteria

MEMPHIS, TN -
(WMC-TV) - A kindergartner is in police custody after a handgun he reportedly brought to school in his backpack discharged in an elementary school cafeteria.

269 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:22:22pm

re: #265 lawhawk

You know, if the vodka could be mistaken for paint thinner, you’re better off drinking something else.

A good rule of thumb.

270 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:22:43pm
271 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:22:50pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

You know you’ve been to a college party when the best vodka you see is Burnetts. I’ve developed a law for vodka- if it’s not foreign or exotic sounding i.e. SMirnoff or Grey Goose, stay the hell away from it.

Orientation week of freshman year, a couple floors of my dorm pooled their resources and got an upperclassman to buy a bunch of cheap vodka and tequila for a ‘Shot Party’. I didn’t go, because I had a girlfriend and so had someonething better to do.

When I came back to the dorm, after the party, the place reeked of partially digested cheap tequila. It wasn’t till a friend shared a glass of Cazadores Reposada that I was able to even think of drinking tequila.

272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:23:14pm

re: #263 FemNaziBitch

I can’t read the rest of the thread.

Did I miss anything?

we’re talking beer and alcohol now…almost five o’clock in the east…

273 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:23:15pm

re: #255 Dr. Matt

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The last paragraph is also food for thought:

Judging by Greenwald’s temperature, though, I’d say he’s getting worried. He wouldn’t be this animated about his letter-carrier’s (I mean, his lover’s) hold-up if there weren’t something in the confiscated items that makes him sweat bullets. That would also explain the spring in the British government’s step.

I have to agree, the declaration of “partial victory” over the judge’s ruling today put me in the mindset that there’s some very damaging stuff on those thumb drives, stuff that the Guardian doesn’t want to be caught in possession of.

274 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:23:39pm

re: #259 GeneJockey

That’s my Gin rule.

I can remember when gin & tonic was the rage (I’m old) but it was vile—I went to vodka martinis, but found out they would sneak up on me…so, not so found of anything but the occasional beer or wine. And I do mean occasional and limited. I swore I’d never be an old drunk, as I’ve seen a few kill themselves with it.

275 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:24:06pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

or Keystone.// Seriously, as much as I liked paying only a five buck flat fee for the frat parties I went to. There was a part of me that would have been as content to just go to one of the bars off campus.

276 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:24:37pm

re: #271 GeneJockey

Orientation week of freshman year, a couple floors of my dorm pooled their resources and got an upperclassman to buy a bunch of cheap vodka and tequila for a ‘Shot Party’. I didn’t go, because I had a girlfriend and so had someonething better to do.

When I came back to the dorm, after the party, the place reeked of partially digested cheap tequila. It wasn’t till a friend shared a glass of Cazadores Reposada that I was able to even think of drinking tequila.

Tequilla can be scary. Some girls I studied abroad with wanted to do shots one night. I politely turned that down. I don’t mind it in margaritas but I don’t llike tequilla at all on its own especially cheap.

277 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:25:26pm

re: #275 Lidane

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Just another reason to be glad to be a non frat guy.

278 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:25:49pm

re: #275 Lidane

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I read that earlier today and immediately thought “Ohio!”
Imagine my surprise to see it was Florida…
doh…

279 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:27:02pm

For Breaking Bad Fans,

‘Breaking Bad’ Creator Moving Forward With Saul Goodman Spin-Off, Could Be Prequel Series

280 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:28:37pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Just another reason to be glad to be a non frat guy.

I was never a sorority girl in college, but I’m actually considering doing a graduate/professional intake for a sorority just for the networking contacts. Might be worth it.

281 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:29:26pm

re: #275 Lidane

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Our brightest and best? The future?

282 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:29:43pm

Detroit’s new cop cars sport stolen image of cityscape
motorcitymuckraker.com

#oops

283 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:30:31pm

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

Our brightest and best? The future?

At Florida International University? One desperately hopes not.

284 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:30:38pm

re: #280 Lidane

I was never a sorority girl in college, but I’m actually considering doing a graduate/professional intake for a sorority just for the networking contacts. Might be worth it.

I heard both are good for that. The crowd that frats seem to take in just didn’t seem to be mine plus the whole monthly dues thing.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:31:32pm

re: #275 Lidane

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How many of these were taking government grants, loans or scholarships?

286 Lidane  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:31:36pm

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

Our brightest and best? The future?

Future members of the GOP, once they get jrrrbz and start talking about all the liberal drug use back in their college days.

287 Carlos Danger  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:32:49pm

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Could they possibly find a angrier looking portrait of the photographer?

288 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:32:54pm

re: #286 Lidane

Future members of the GOP, once they get jrrrbz and start talking about all the liberal drug use back in their college days.

“Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

289 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:33:14pm

re: #287 Carlos Danger

Could they possibly find a angrier looking portrait of the photographer?

Not without paying for it.
//

290 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:33:34pm

Fischer: Gay ‘Jim Crow Laws’ Mean ‘Christians Are The New Blacks’

Bryan Fischer is incensed at the New Mexico Supreme Court’s unanimous decision that a wedding photography business violated the state’s anti-discrimination law by refusing its services to a same-sex couple. The American Family Association spokesman called on the business, and others, to file countersuits and “fight fire with fire” by alleging that preventing them from discriminating against customers is religious discrimination.

“Essentially what this court has done and what the Obama administration has done with this abortifacient mandate is that they have turned Christians into Dred Scott,” Fischer claimed, arguing that the New Mexico court “said that Christians have no rights which this court is bound to respect. So to me this looks like Jim Crow is alive and well, we’ve got Jim Crow laws right back in operation, Christians are the new blacks.”

291 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:33:48pm

I gotta say, I’m sort of surprised that we haven’t had a dudebro show up today. Perhaps even they’re getting tired of making up excuses for Greenwald’s BS.

292 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:33:52pm

re: #287 Carlos Danger

Could they possibly find a angrier looking portrait of the photographer?

That’s actually his facebook profile pic —> facebook.com

Must be going for the time-honored ‘troubled artist’ look.

293 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:34:36pm

re: #292 Dr. Matt

That’s actually his facebook profile pic —> facebook.com

Must be going for time-honored ‘troubled artist’ look.

Needz moar heroin.

Or fewer ears.

294 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:34:59pm

re: #290 Kragar

Fischer: Gay ‘Jim Crow Laws’ Mean ‘Christians Are The New Blacks’

hahahahhahaha excuse me but hahahahhaa. Yeah this is just like Jim Crow. Being told we can’t discriminate against people because of their sexuality is just like being made second class citizens. Goddamnit this guy’s a stupid clown.

295 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:35:44pm

re: #288 GeneJockey

“Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

Toga! Toga!

296 ObserverArt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:35:51pm

re: #257 GeneJockey

Shit, Genessee was $5 for a case!

I went to a city based college. We lived downtown and were for the most part dirt poor artist hippie kids having a blast being out on our own. There was a little market about four blocks from our dorm rooms. The nice thing about this carry out; they’d serve just about anyone above 14 years old and breathing with a wallet. Hey, no one was asking, and we were not telling. So, Friday evenings it would look like a line of ants going from the dorms to the market and back. Two kids to a case. I think even the cops knew what was going on, but in the early 70s no one was downtown anyway. The students owned the place after 7:00 PM.

If I remember, for $2.99 we’d get a case of 16 ounce bottles of Robin Hood Ale. Sure, it was crap local brewed ale, but 12 16 ouncers for kids on a budget. Shoot, after a couple of those babies no one cared what they tasted like.

Oh the stories. Today, almost none of what we pulled off could be done. That might be for the good, but we sure didn’t know it.

297 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:36:32pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Toga! Toga!

My advice is to start drinking heavily.

298 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:36:34pm

The GOP has gone ahead and done it, they’re boycotting debates on CNN/NBC… and that includes anything owned by them, so that includes Telemundo.


It’s the Grand Old White Party now.

GOWPers.

299 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:37:18pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

My advice is to start drinking heavily.

“You fucked up - you trusted us!”

300 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:37:55pm

re: #298 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The GOP has gone ahead and done it, they’re boycotting debates on CNN/NBC… and that includes anything owned by them, so that includes Telemundo.

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It’s the Grand Old White Party now.

GOWPers.

Nah, GOTP. The Grand Old Tea Party.

301 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:38:03pm

re: #298 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The GOP has gone ahead and done it, they’re boycotting debates on CNN/NBC… and that includes anything owned by them, so that includes Telemundo.

[Embedded content]


It’s the Grand Old White Party now.

GOWPers.

Rebranding.

302 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:38:45pm

re: #298 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The GOP has gone ahead and done it, they’re boycotting debates on CNN/NBC… and that includes anything owned by them, so that includes Telemundo.

[Embedded content]


It’s the Grand Old White Party now.

GOWPers.

“The Democrats will be forced to cover increasing amounts of the US, while we rule our tiny fiefdoms with an iron fist, BWAHAHA… Wait a sec…”

303 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:38:55pm

re: #298 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The GOP has gone ahead and done it, they’re boycotting debates on CNN/NBC… and that includes anything owned by them, so that includes Telemundo.
It’s the Grand Old White Party now.

GOWPers.

Ah, more of that out-reachy sorta thing, you betcha! *wink*

304 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:40:42pm

CNN and NBC: “Oh darn, you mean we won’t have to cover you guys? I guess we’ll just have to program a special about the greatest Telemundo girls in a wet tshirt contest and hope we pull in some ratings with that.”

305 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:41:07pm

re: #303 Dr. Matt

Ah, more of that out-reachy sorta thing, you betcha! *wink*

Gah. You brought that waste of skin back to my mind, when I’d managed not to think of her for several days.

Burn in hell, Dr. Matt!

306 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:41:22pm

I dunno, I think keep-our-primary-debates-from-being-seen-by-anyone might be a winning strategy.

307 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:41:56pm

I certainly won’t give a blanket endorsement of the Guardian, but Spencer Ackerman’s national security - related writing has, on its own, been good. It’s worth noting that he’s not a fan of the kind of purity policing Greenwald & his fans so often do, so I think that at some point, the Guardian’s may have to decide which man it wants to keep, if either fellow doesn’t force the issue first.

For all I know, Miranda could’ve refused a lawyer until the last hour of his detention, but say he wasn’t OFFERED one til the last hour. Combined with the facts that he wasn’t allowed to write the questions and didn’t get a translator, that doesn’t give me comfort.

In turn, this leads me to a larger point: Greenwald & friends aren’t the only ones with dirt on themselves here.

The Guardian’s gotten things wrong, Snowden needs to face the music, and Cameron’s government-while right to question Miranda-held him way too long and peppered him with a number of questions that were way the eff out in left field.

It’s possible to believe all these things at once.

308 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:42:14pm

re: #306 erik_t

I dunno, I think keep-our-primary-debates-from-being-seen-by-anyone might be a winning strategy.

True less people to boo gay servicemembers or to shout let him die.

309 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:42:20pm

re: #306 erik_t

I dunno, I think keep-our-primary-debates-from-being-seen-by-anyone might be a winning strategy.

Once again, the GOP has forgotten the existence of video recording.

310 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:42:48pm

re: #306 erik_t

I dunno, I think keep-our-primary-debates-from-being-seen-by-anyone might be a winning strategy.

GOP Introduces New “Mystery Candidate” With Paper Bag Over Head

311 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:42:51pm

Had a wingnut declare the other day that the GOP doesn’t even need to have debates, it does nothing but hurt the candidates. It should be noted that said wingnut is a Paulian as well, which I took to mean he thinks the lack of debates will somehow make Rand running in ‘16 a more formidable candidate. Not that he doesn’t have a bit of logic there, as libertarian BS tends to hold up better when people don’t ask too many questions about it.

312 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:43:27pm

re: #307 TheSwedish

The Guardian’s gotten things wrong, Snowden needs to face the music, and Cameron’s government-while right to question Miranda-held him way too long and peppered him with a number of questions that were way the eff out in left field.

It’s possible to believe all these things at once.

Reputable news organizations don’t repeatedly make unannounced corrections, full stop.

313 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:43:32pm

re: #310 Kragar

GOP Introduces New “Mystery Candidate” With Paper Bag Over Head

White Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage give this election a pass?

314 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:43:33pm

In about an hour, I will have questions in regards to future decisions. Unfortunately, I have someone over my shoulder that will continue to be for about an hour, hence the warning.

315 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:44:36pm

re: #310 Kragar

GOP Introduces New “Mystery Candidate” With Paper Bag Over Head

Onion Video
I dunno, I think the sphere of rage has a better chance. It really does a good job with the base.

316 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:44:49pm

re: #314 ProTARDISLiberal

In about an hour, I will have questions in regards to future decisions. Unfortunately, I have someone over my shoulder that will continue to be for about an hour, hence the warning.

Big Brother?

317 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:45:04pm

re: #313 GeneJockey

White Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage give this election a pass?

Damn it dude.

318 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:45:24pm

Paper Bag Head / Sphere of Rage ‘16

319 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:46:56pm

Fun fact but the GOP hasn’t won a presidential election without a Nixon or Bush on the ticket since 1928. So obviously the solution is to run Cynthia Nixon and Reggie Bush together.

320 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:47:42pm

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

Up (or down?) the family tree.

321 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:47:46pm

Cthulhu is sitting out ‘16. He says he can’t be sure the GOP is the lesser evil.

322 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:47:54pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

Damn it dude.

VICTORY!!!

323 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:48:02pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

looks at you… looks at Ike…. looks at you….. looks at Ike

324 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:48:33pm

re: #321 Kragar

Cthulhu is sitting out ‘16. He says he can’t be sure the GOP is the lesser evil.

Then the obvious candidate is Betelguise.

325 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:48:48pm

re: #323 piratedan

looks at you… looks at Ike…. looks at you….. looks at Ike

Nixon was VP.

326 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:49:19pm

re: #324 FemNaziBitch

Then the obvious candidate is Betelguise.

He does not work well with others!

327 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:49:34pm

Elderly blind dog saved from drowning by kayakers after being tied and thrown in river (PHOTOS)
Read more at dogheirs.com

328 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:49:44pm

re: #325 Kragar

yes, but he was very small… and it’s not like he was needed to propel Ike to victory

329 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:49:49pm

re: #326 GeneJockey

He does not work well with others!

Then he will fit right in.

330 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:49:51pm

re: #323 piratedan

looks at you… looks at Ike…. looks at you….. looks at Ike

Nixon was Ike’s VP.

331 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:50:23pm

re: #328 piratedan

yes, but he was very small… and it’s not like he was needed to propel Ike to victory

He was still on the ticket.

332 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:52:41pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Nixon was Ike’s VP.

And there was once a question asked of Ike, what great idea or program had Nixon ever proposed. Ike said, ‘If you give me about a week, I might think of something.’

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:52:41pm

re: #296 ObserverArt

During my high school days, it was wine…FINE WINE! ie: Bali Hai, Boones Farm (desperate times when we couldn’t collect enough bottles to return for the deposits…MD20/20 or Ripple).
Still can’t figure out how I managed to survive my youth…

334 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:53:50pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

During my high school days, it was wine…FINE WINE! ie: Bali Hai, Boones Farm (desperate times when we couldn’t collect enough bottles to return for the deposits…MD20/20 or Ripple).
Still can’t figure out how I managed to survive my youth…

Luck O’ the Irish?

335 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:54:24pm
336 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:54:32pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

During my high school days, it was wine…FINE WINE! ie: Bali Hai, Boones Farm (desperate times when we couldn’t collect enough bottles to return for the deposits…MD20/20 or Ripple).
Still can’t figure out how I managed to survive my youth…

Same here. We did some stupid, stupid things, and what saved us was probably sheer luck and the absence of much traffic on the country roads where I grew up.

Sadly, I knew some who didn’t survive.

337 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:54:35pm

re: #332 GeneJockey

and he was still a better VP than Quayle

338 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:55:04pm

re: #337 piratedan

and he was still a better VP than Quayle

Low bar.

339 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:55:14pm

Huffington Post ends commenter anonymity because ‘trolls are getting more aggressive’

The Huffington Post is to end anonymity for commenters by requiring them to use their real identities. The change was announced by the site’s founder, Arianna Huffington, after speaking at a conference yesterday (21 August) in Boston.

She said: “Trolls are just getting more and more aggressive and uglier and I just came from London where there are rape and death threats.”

Explaining the “need to evolve a platform to meet the needs of the grown-up internet,” she said: “I feel that freedom of expression is given to people who stand up for what they say and not hiding behind anonymity.”

340 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:55:15pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just the idea of MD 20/20 makes me ill, and I’ve never actually drank so much as a drop of it. I did witness others consuming it, and in all cases there were consequences.

341 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:55:16pm

re: #307 TheSwedish

I certainly won’t give a blanket endorsement of the Guardian, but Spencer Ackerman’s national security - related writing has, on its own, been good. It’s worth noting that he’s not a fan of the kind of purity policing Greenwald & his fans so often do, so I think that at some point, the Guardian’s may have to decide which man it wants to keep, if either fellow doesn’t force the issue first.

For all I know, Miranda could’ve refused a lawyer until the last hour of his detention, but say he wasn’t OFFERED one til the last hour. Combined with the facts that he wasn’t allowed to write the questions and didn’t get a translator, that doesn’t give me comfort.

In turn, this leads me to a larger point: Greenwald & friends aren’t the only ones with dirt on themselves here.

The Guardian’s gotten things wrong, Snowden needs to face the music, and Cameron’s government-while right to question Miranda-held him way too long and peppered him with a number of questions that were way the eff out in left field.

It’s possible to believe all these things at once.

It’s also possible to believe the Guardian is lying its ass off and the events of that 9hrs makes it look like the authorities had every reason to believe that Miranda was up to his eyeballs in something illegal.

342 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:56:20pm

re: #340 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Just the idea of MD 20/20 makes me ill, and I’ve never actually drank so much as a drop of it. I did witness others consuming it, and in all cases there were consequences.

Screwdrivers! We all have that one drink that did us in the first time and will never drink again.

343 Dr. Matt  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:56:49pm

re: #338 GeneJockey

Low bar.

It’s spelled ‘Lowe’

Youtube Video

344 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:57:09pm

re: #343 Dr. Matt

It’s spelled ‘Lowe’

[Embedded content]

Rob?

345 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:57:17pm

bbl

346 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:58:38pm

I still recall the evening I drank a 6-pack of MGD, a bottle of red wine, about 1/2 a bottle of vodka, 5-6 rum and cokes, and then several iced slushy things out at a Japanese bar called “Green Zombies”. I was still drunk the next evening.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:59:13pm

re: #327 FemNaziBitch

Elderly blind dog saved from drowning by kayakers after being tied and thrown in river (PHOTOS)
Read more at dogheirs.com

oh good grief…
And earlier today I saw a story headline but refused to open the link about a guy who used a puppy as a pinata (because apparently there are pictures and video…gah!) and still wasn’t charged with cruelty to animals.

348 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:59:26pm

re: #328 piratedan

yes, but he was very small… and it’s not like he was needed to propel Ike to victory

I actually kind of disagree with you there. Nixon may not have helped Ike win the election but he did help Eisenhower with the conservatives in the Republican party base who were skeptical of him.

349 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 1:59:35pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Tequilla can be scary. Some girls I studied abroad with wanted to do shots one night. I politely turned that down. I don’t mind it in margaritas but I don’t llike tequilla at all on its own especially cheap.

I LOVE tequilla shots. But it has to be very good stuff and forget the salt and lime/lemon. Do the shot and then a slice of orange with cinnamon on top. Heaven.

350 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:00:39pm

re: #334 FemNaziBitch

Luck O’ the Irish?

apparently…

351 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:01:02pm

re: #344 FemNaziBitch

Nick

Link

352 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:01:12pm

re: #343 Dr. Matt

It’s spelled ‘Lowe’

[Embedded content]

In 2000, when Gore was running for President, I saw a wingnut post a list of Al Gore’s ‘gaffes’. Each one had a date sometime in the 1993-2000 range - “corroborative detail, meant to lend an air of verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative”.

Every last one turned out to be a Dan Quayle incident, but someone went to the trouble to change the dates on each one, to fool the gullible.

353 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:01:14pm

re: #332 GeneJockey

And there was once a question asked of Ike, what great idea or program had Nixon ever proposed. Ike said, ‘If you give me about a week, I might think of something.’

Heh it was a good diss but to be fair, Nixon actually helped break a tie on some civil rights stuff as VP. It was why Jackie Robinson supported him over Kennedy when they ran against each other. Of course- Robinson later grew disgusted with the GOP and Nixon as they embraced the Goldwater position on civil rights and started pandering to the bigots in the South. They should have nominated Rockefeller at least once.

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:01:23pm

re: #336 GeneJockey

Same here. We did some stupid, stupid things, and what saved us was probably sheer luck and the absence of much traffic on the country roads where I grew up.

Sadly, I knew some who didn’t survive.

Sadly, I knew more than a few as well…

355 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:01:58pm

Boones Farm and doobies back in the 60s—it was the combo. I think BF was about 5% alcohol and had that fruity taste.

Aha! A Boone’s Farm fan page: boonesfarm.net

356 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:02:58pm

One thing is almost a certainty: celibacy probably won’t be an option for Chelsea Manning, but she will have choices in regard to how she wants to spend her years behind bars. With that said, we need to keep in mind that one person’s prison is another person’s palace. Chelsea Manning could become the queen bee.

357 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:03:03pm

I don’t remember Quayle as VP that well but he apparently thought of running for president in 2000. My Dad’s manager at the restaurant he worked at during that time was really excited and Dad just remembers thinking “Gosh if that’s the best they got, how sad” and then we met Dubya but then we met Santorum and Huckabee even more later.

358 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:03:34pm

re: #346 Kragar

I still recall the evening I drank a 6-pack of MGD, a bottle of red wine, about 1/2 a bottle of vodka, 5-6 rum and cokes, and then several iced slushy things out at a Japanese bar called “Green Zombies”. I was still drunk the next evening.

Do you, now?

359 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:03:36pm

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

Boones Farm and doobies back in the 60s—it was the combo. I think BF was about 5% alcohol and had that fruity taste.

Aha! A Boone’s Farm fan page: boonesfarm.net

Annie Greensprings, for me. Peach Creek, if I recall the Appelation…

360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:04:01pm

re: #341 Targetpractice

It’s also possible very likely based on current evidence to believe the Guardian is lying its ass off and the events of that 9hrs makes it look like the authorities had every reason to believe that Miranda was up to his eyeballs in something illegal.

FIFY

361 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:04:11pm

re: #312 erik_t

“Reputable news organizations don’t repeatedly make unannounced corrections, full stop.”

How many people here continue to read Slate, the Washington Post, and the New Republic despite the fact that all three publications-nearly to a person-crapped the bed on the second Iraq War? I do.

I don’t think the Guardian can be FULLY trusted (no publication can be), which is why I questioned the “refused a lawyer/offered a lawyer in the 9th hour” distinction. That’s big. But again, if Miranda wasn’t offered a lawyer til the last hour & refused a translator, how does that make us safer?

362 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:04:54pm

Eisenhower’s big opponent in 1952- Bob “Nuremberg Trials were bad” Taft. Bob Taft is also one of the historical figures that Rand and Ron Paul admire most. He wasn’t a racist like they are from what I know but Bob Taft was a good bullet to have dodged.

363 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:05:24pm

re: #356 Gus

One thing is almost a certainty: celibacy probably won’t be an option for Chelsea Manning, but she will have choices in regard to how she wants to spend her years behind bars. With that said, we need to keep in mind that one person’s prison is another person’s palace. Chelsea Manning could become the queen bee.

That is just disgustingly vile.

364 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:06:52pm

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

Screwdrivers! We all have that one drink that did us in the first time and will never drink again.

Rum and Coke… only thing worse was a time when we passed a quart of Southern Comfort around the fire at a beach on night in my junior year…

365 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:07:25pm

re: #361 TheSwedish

“Reputable news organizations don’t repeatedly make unannounced corrections, full stop.”

How many people here continue to read Slate, the Washington Post, and the New Republic despite the fact that all three publications-nearly to a person-crapped the bed on the second Iraq War? I do.

I don’t think the Guardian can be FULLY trusted (no publication can be), which is why I questioned the “refused a lawyer/offered a lawyer in the 9th hour” distinction. That’s big. But again, if Miranda wasn’t offered a lawyer til the last hour & refused a translator, how does that make us safer?

The problem comes when you read it and fail to take into account the track record of sensationalism, shoddy reporting, and outright mendacity. I would not trust the Guardian’s version of what happened to Miranda farther than I could throw it, because their approach to correction is not that of an honest newspaper.

366 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:08:29pm

re: #356 Gus

One thing is almost a certainty: celibacy probably won’t be an option for Chelsea Manning, but she will have choices in regard to how she wants to spend her years behind bars. With that said, we need to keep in mind that one person’s prison is another person’s palace. Chelsea Manning could become the queen bee.

What is this fuckery?

367 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:09:19pm

re: #358 erik_t

Do you, now?

Possibly in the way that you remember the fact that something happened to you, but not it happening.

368 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:09:35pm

re: #361 TheSwedish

“Reputable news organizations don’t repeatedly make unannounced corrections, full stop.”

How many people here continue to read Slate, the Washington Post, and the New Republic despite the fact that all three publications-nearly to a person-crapped the bed on the second Iraq War? I do.

I don’t think the Guardian can be FULLY trusted (no publication can be), which is why I questioned the “refused a lawyer/offered a lawyer in the 9th hour” distinction. That’s big. But again, if Miranda wasn’t offered a lawyer til the last hour & refused a translator, how does that make us safer?

On Sunday the version of events was “He requested a lawyer and was denied.” By Monday, it was “He was offered a lawyer and he refused.” Today it’s “He had a lawyer, but not until the last hour.” By Saturday, it will be “He was offered a lawyer at the beginning and refused until the 9th hour, when he suddenly wanted a lawyer.”

Refusal to talk without a lawyer present is not a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.

369 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:10:23pm

re: #368 Targetpractice

On Sunday the version of events was “He requested a lawyer and was denied.” By Monday, it was “He was offered a lawyer and he refused.” Today it’s “He had a lawyer, but not until the last hour.” By Saturday, it will be “He was offered a lawyer at the beginning and refused until the 9th hour, when he suddenly wanted a lawyer.”

Refusal to talk without a lawyer present is not a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.

This.

370 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:10:29pm

re: #356 Gus

One thing is almost a certainty: celibacy probably won’t be an option for Chelsea Manning, but she will have choices in regard to how she wants to spend her years behind bars. With that said, we need to keep in mind that one person’s prison is another person’s palace. Chelsea Manning could become the queen bee.

Richard Speck is a prime example of that.

371 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:11:15pm

re: #366 erik_t

What is this fuckery?

Something at Daily Beast.

372 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:13:37pm

re: #371 Gus

Something at Daily Caller.

The link goes to the Daily Beast, of which I had thought better. May need to revise my opinion.

373 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:14:43pm

re: #372 GeneJockey

The link goes to the Daily Beast, of which I had thought better. May need to revise my opinion.

It’s a disturbing topic, but as I already mentioned, Richard Speck did exactly that in prison.

374 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:15:00pm

re: #372 GeneJockey

The link goes to the Daily Beast, of which I had thought better. May need to revise my opinion.

Thanks. Fixed.

375 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:16:11pm

You know. Some people spend months in therapy going through gender issues before confirming their transsexualism before starting hormone therapy, perhaps months of electrolysis (MTF), going through the real life test. Some then go on to have SRS and some even have a tracheal shave. Some go through years of rejection, even violence, loss of family, friends, jobs. A real struggle for many of these TS’s. Even to be accepted after the long hard work. Manning writes a letter and become a woman overnight.

376 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:16:58pm

And now, video of a cat breastfeeding ducklings

Youtube Video

377 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:17:23pm

re: #375 Gus

You know. Some people spend months in therapy going through gender issues before confirming their transsexualism before starting hormone therapy, perhaps months of electrolysis (MTF), going through the real life test. Some then go on to have SRS and some even have a tracheal shave. Some go through years of rejection, even violence, loss of family, friends, jobs. A real struggle for many of these TS’s. Even to be accepted after the long hard work. Manning writes a letter and become a woman overnight.

The pronouns can be changed at any point in the process, including before it starts.

378 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:17:36pm

re: #368 Targetpractice

The idea of refusing to answer meaning you go free reminds me of..

“Crucifixion?”

“Yes”

“Good. Out the door, line on the left, one cross each. Crucifixion?”

“Yes”

“Good. Out the door, line on the left, one cross each. Crucifixion?”

“Nope! Freedom for me!”

379 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:18:08pm

re: #375 Gus

Anyone who, as long as they’re not just clearly fucking around, asks to be identified as a woman is fine by me. It’s no harm to me at all.

380 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:18:13pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

The pronouns can be changed at any point in the process, including before it starts.

I’m old fashioned. I think it takes more than changing pronouns and writing letters.

381 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:19:03pm

So, my dad gets home and does some foul amount of racism. I call him out, and he uses the “Chris Rock” excuse, while saying some truly vile things.

When I find someone and have a family of my own, I am cutting him off. However, he has been abusive (emotionally, mainly) during my childhood, and I don’t plan on letting that go without a response.

In short I also wanted to know when the cutoff would be the most painful to a scumbag like my father. Refusing to invite him to a wedding, or denying him the ability to see grandchildren at the hospital?

It really sucks though that my mom continues to defend his spew, but if she wants to do that, her business.

I should also explain that the reason I am so antsy about relationships is that I want to be married before my Paternal Grandfather dies. He is paralyzed in a wheelchair. He is a very sweet old man, without any of the racism his son has. I want him at the wedding.

382 GeneJockey  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:22:27pm

re: #381 ProTARDISLiberal

So, my dad gets home and does some foul amount of racism. I call him out, and he uses the “Chris Rock” excuse, while saying some truly vile things.

When I find someone and have a family of my own, I am cutting him off. However, he has been abusive (emotionally, mainly) during my childhood, and I don’t plan on letting that go without a response.

In short I also wanted to know when the cutoff would be the most painful to a scumbag like my father. Refusing to invite him to a wedding, or denying him the ability to see grandchildren at the hospital?

It really sucks though that my mom continues to defend his spew, but if she wants to do that, her business.

I should also explain that the reason I am so antsy about relationships is that I want to be married before my Paternal Grandfather dies. He is paralyzed in a wheelchair. He is a very sweet old man, without any of the racism his son has. I want him at the wedding.

Revenge fantasies are best left as fantasies, and you can’t time when you’ll meet the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. Make sure your Grandfather knows you love him. Make your escape, and leave the door open for your Mom to escape too, if she wants to.

And don’t take advice from strangers on the internet.

383 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:23:34pm

re: #381 ProTARDISLiberal

Thinking about revenge is stupid and just grants him power. You have an addiction to rage and you need to get over it.

384 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:24:02pm

re: #381 ProTARDISLiberal

So, my dad gets home and does some foul amount of racism. I call him out, and he uses the “Chris Rock” excuse, while saying some truly vile things.

When I find someone and have a family of my own, I am cutting him off. However, he has been abusive (emotionally, mainly) during my childhood, and I don’t plan on letting that go without a response.

In short I also wanted to know when the cutoff would be the most painful to a scumbag like my father. Refusing to invite him to a wedding, or denying him the ability to see grandchildren at the hospital?

It really sucks though that my mom continues to defend his spew, but if she wants to do that, her business.

I should also explain that the reason I am so antsy about relationships is that I want to be married before my Paternal Grandfather dies. He is paralyzed in a wheelchair. He is a very sweet old man, without any of the racism his son has. I want him at the wedding.

Quit playing around and get the fuck out now. You’re an adult.

385 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:24:38pm

re: #383 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

aye, when you go, just go, but go when you know you won’t have to come back

386 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:26:29pm

re: #93 andres

I’m partial to “Corazon Blindado”…

armored heart???

387 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:26:59pm

Hey, Obdi, sent you the latest.

388 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:27:08pm
389 dog philosopher  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:27:27pm

computer safe!!!

PLASTIKLIPS!!!

ok great now i will be thinking about plastik lips all day

390 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:28:28pm

re: #380 Gus

I’m old fashioned. I think it takes more than changing pronouns and writing letters.

The first time I saw a transgendered woman interviewed (many years ago), she spoke about the pleasures of makeup, dresses, purses, stuff that means nothing to me, and I’m a woman, and I kind of resented that what she enjoyed about womanhood meant nothing to me, and thought my opinion should count for more having been born female in the right body.

I got over it. I’m not the arbiter of womanhood.

391 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:30:12pm
392 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:30:45pm

re: #381 ProTARDISLiberal

I should also explain that the reason I am so antsy about relationships is that I want to be married before my Paternal Grandfather dies. He is paralyzed in a wheelchair. He is a very sweet old man, without any of the racism his son has. I want him at the wedding.

You’re putting a tremendous burden on someone you probably haven’t met yet. Has your grandfather asked you for this? If not, you’re putting one on him, too.

393 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:30:47pm

re: #384 Decatur Deb

Trying to right now, I don’t have a job (sending out applications in my field, and doing follow-up calls though!).

It’s just, I don’t want him to unpunished for the way he acted, though my Grandmother thinks I am being far to harsh with those ideas, though she understands why I am contemplating them. She doesn’t like her son either.

394 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:32:22pm

re: #392 wrenchwench

No, but my Grandfather has been a wonderful person, and given me much better teachings on being a good person than my father did. I really, really want him to be there.

395 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:32:55pm

re: #393 ProTARDISLiberal

Trying to right now, I don’t have a job (sending out applications in my field, and doing follow-up calls though!).

It’s just, I don’t want him to unpunished for the way he acted, though my Grandmother thinks I am being far to harsh with those ideas, though she understands why I am contemplating them. She doesn’t like her son either.

Flip burgers if your autonomy is worth it. I busted boxes in a clothing warehouse.

396 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:33:11pm

re: #393 ProTARDISLiberal

Trying to right now, I don’t have a job (sending out applications in my field, and doing follow-up calls though!).

It’s just, I don’t want him to unpunished for the way he acted, though my Grandmother thinks I am being far to harsh with those ideas, though she understands why I am contemplating them. She doesn’t like her son either.

You are burdening yourself with that. You are holding on to a supply of shit so you can throw it at him later. Who stinks?

397 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:33:12pm

re: #137 jaunte

Um, wouldn’t anything coated in pork eventually spoil, become rancid and be loaded up with all kinds of bacteria? So that any surface the pork laden product touched become contaminated?

I admit, I’m only a home cook who has taken numerous classes on cooking safety, preserving food, etc, but I must be missing something here. And that’s not the stupidity and hatred behind the idea in the first place.

398 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:33:22pm

re: #393 ProTARDISLiberal

Trying to right now, I don’t have a job (sending out applications in my field, and doing follow-up calls though!).

It’s just, I don’t want him to unpunished for the way he acted, though my Grandmother thinks I am being far to harsh with those ideas, though she understands why I am contemplating them. She doesn’t like her son either.

Walk away, let go of your anger, and forget you ever knew him. As long as you continue to wallow in hate you will be unhappy. Your father is not worth the pain and suffering you are inflicting on yourself.

399 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:33:39pm

re: #395 Decatur Deb

But, at the same time, I don’t want to be locked out of my field.

400 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:34:26pm

re: #379 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Anyone who, as long as they’re not just clearly fucking around, asks to be identified as a woman is fine by me. It’s no harm to me at all.

Manning is in a position where it’s sort of hard for it not to look like he’s clearly fucking around. Which is an unfortunate burden to carry, but them’s the breaks.

401 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:34:29pm

re: #399 ProTARDISLiberal

But, at the same time, I don’t want to be locked out of my field.

What is your field?

402 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:34:55pm

Fuckhead did not just go there.

Bryan Fischer says it’s “almost as if black victims of violence are of more value to the President than white victims of violence.”

Youtube Video

403 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:35:32pm

re: #397 A Mom Anon

Um, wouldn’t anything coated in pork eventually spoil, become rancid and be loaded up with all kinds of bacteria? So that any surface the pork laden product touched become contaminated?

I admit, I’m only a home cook who has taken numerous classes on cooking safety, preserving food, etc, but I must be missing something here. And that’s not the stupidity and hatred behind the idea in the first place.

Its homeopathic pork.

404 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:35:41pm

re: #394 ProTARDISLiberal

No, but my Grandfather has been a wonderful person, and given me much better teachings on being a good person than my father did. I really, really want him to be there.

And where is ‘there’? What does your fiance want to do for a wedding? Maybe she wants to elope. But no, you have it all planned out. You haven’t even asked her opinion, nor introduced her to your grandfather.

405 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:35:48pm

re: #402 Kragar

Fuckhead did not just go there.

Bryan Fischer says it’s “almost as if black victims of violence are of more value to the President than white victims of violence.”

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Certainly he went there, that’s where all the meaningless faux outrageous outrages live.

406 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:35:51pm

re: #402 Kragar

Fuckhead did not just go there.

Bryan Fischer says it’s “almost as if black victims of violence are of more value to the President than white victims of violence.”

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Oh, yeah……fuckhead just went there. Can’t say I’m shocked, to be brutally honest.

407 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:35:59pm

re: #401 Creepy Totalitarianist

Geography and Geographic Information Systems

408 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:36:23pm

re: #390 wrenchwench

The first time I saw a transgendered woman interviewed (many years ago), she spoke about the pleasures of makeup, dresses, purses, stuff that means nothing to me, and I’m a woman, and I kind of resented that what she enjoyed about womanhood meant nothing to me, and thought my opinion should count for more having been born female in the right body.

I got over it. I’m not the arbiter of womanhood.

TS, TG, and CD all get mixed up. Many young children describe what you saw in that interview. If we are to allow someone to self identify as Manning has done with an announcement and respect that shouldn’t we also respect said interviewee? One would also then have to ask Manning what it means to be a woman? Clearly he liked the wig and make-up as well.

409 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:36:59pm
410 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:37:13pm

re: #404 wrenchwench

Well, I haven’t met anyone yet. It’s just a plan I want to have happen.

411 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:37:41pm

re: #409 Gus

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WTF is a Wikileaks sentence?

412 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:37:50pm

re: #407 ProTARDISLiberal

Geography and Geographic Information Systems

Go clean toilets for the Forest Service. You’ll be in on the ground floor.

413 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:38:14pm

re: #393 ProTARDISLiberal

Trying to right now, I don’t have a job (sending out applications in my field, and doing follow-up calls though!).

It’s just, I don’t want him to unpunished for the way he acted, though my Grandmother thinks I am being far to harsh with those ideas, though she understands why I am contemplating them. She doesn’t like her son either.

As long as you allow your father to control your reactions you will never be free to be who you say you want to be.
Really, hate and revenge are soul-eaters of the top order that are stealing any future happiness and content you say you seek.
Trust me on this. My father was like yours. Just let it go. All you are doing now is letting the cycle of intolerance continue through you.
You say want a better life for yourself and your future family? Start right now by refusing to rise to the bait. Ignore his opinions and rants, turn away and refuse to respond.
And smile when you do that as you turn to hug your mother and head off to do something more productive.
And this is the one and only time I will comment on this.

414 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:39:05pm

re: #410 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I haven’t met anyone yet. It’s just a plan I want to have happen.

Don’t plan that part of your life right now. Plan the job thing, and the getting out from under your dad thing now.

Tell your grampa that you love him. That’s all he wants from you.

415 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:39:48pm

re: #399 ProTARDISLiberal

But, at the same time, I don’t want to be locked out of my field.

An extended empty period of employment time on your resume looks even worse. Anyone here will tell you that.

416 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:40:44pm

re: #408 Gus

TS, TG, and CD all get mixed up. Many young children describe what you saw in that interview. If we are to allow someone to self identify as Manning has done with an announcement and respect that shouldn’t we also respect said interviewee? One would also then have to ask Manning what it means to be a woman? Clearly he liked the wig and make-up as well.

Yes, we should respect the interviewee.

I wouldn’t let kids opt for surgery, but I’d let them define themselves as freely as possible.

417 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:40:52pm

re: #411 Creepy Totalitarianist

WTF is a Wikileaks sentence?

Some were calling it a “Wikileaks trial.”

418 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:42:22pm

re: #410 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I haven’t met anyone yet. It’s just a plan I want to have happen.

You’re very young. Go do some things, join a Muslim relief organization and try to avoid getting killed. Be someone, then think of marrying someone else. Forget daddy—he’s yesterday.

If you want more advice to the lovelorn, try Emily on Slate.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:42:36pm

re: #417 Gus

Some were calling it a “Wikileaks trial.”

Did they conduct that at the big round table at a Denny’s restaurant?

420 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:43:08pm

re: #416 wrenchwench

Yes, we should respect the interviewee.

I wouldn’t let kids opt for surgery, but I’d let them define themselves as freely as possible.

That would probably be the ideal time. When they’re young. Manning needs therapy otherwise. I’m sure the Army might approve that.

421 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:43:29pm

re: #410 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, I haven’t met anyone yet. It’s just a plan I want to have happen.

It’s not just a plan you want to have happen. You said, ‘I should also explain that the reason I am so antsy about relationships is that I want to be married before my Paternal Grandfather dies.’ It’s making you antsy about relationships. IIRC, difficulty with relationships figures hugely in your life right now, and you’re making it worse with meaningless fantasies in your head.

422 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:43:55pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

You’re very young. Go do some things, join a Muslim relief organization and try to avoid getting killed. Be someone, then think of marrying someone else. Forget daddy—he’s yesterday.

If you want more advice to the lovelorn, try Emily on Slate.

Join the frikken Navy.

423 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:43:59pm

RE “Arab Shit” photo.

424 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:44:43pm

re: #420 Gus

That would probably be the ideal time. When they’re young. Manning needs therapy otherwise. I’m sure the Army might approve that.

Ideal time… well, to explore and not SRS.

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:45:42pm

re: #422 Creepy Totalitarianist

Join the frikken Navy.

and see the world!!!

426 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:47:15pm
427 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:47:28pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

and see the world!!!

and bulkheads.

Mostly bulkheads.

428 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:47:43pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

and see the world!!!

Now look what you’ve made me do.

Youtube Video

429 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:48:00pm

re: #422 Creepy Totalitarianist

Think PTL said he had medical barriers, hence useful volunteer service.

430 piratedan  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:48:23pm

re: #426 Gus

“quickly folks, to the Hong Kong Hotels!” just does seem to lack something….

431 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:48:46pm

re: #426 Gus

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Well I give them this, he’s every bit a self-obsessed asshole as Che was.

432 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:49:10pm

re: #426 Gus

Yellow journalism with a touch of Che? Sounds about right.

433 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:50:00pm

Dkos is pretty upset that Obama isn’t going to round up the Bush regime and try them for war crimes.
DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War

434 andres  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:50:43pm

re: #386 dog philosopher

armored heart???

Direct translation, yes. Here’s the link.

(And it was Corazones Blindados. My bad.)

435 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:50:55pm

re: #433 Killgore Trout

I’m sure there’s a way you could figure out how to phrase that in a more hyperbolic manner. I’m just not quite sure how.

436 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:51:32pm

To fight the power today you need a laptop, not Che’s gun, and the skills and intelligence to outwit a vast surveillance state. Snowden looks like that guy, because he is that guy. A T-shirt hero? Why not?

Gah. The Guardian is a joke.

437 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:52:04pm

World News: Shortcuts Blog: Trending Topics and News Analysis

438 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:52:51pm

re: #436 Gus

To fight the power today you need a laptop, not Che’s gun, and the skills and intelligence to outwit a vast surveillance state. Snowden looks like that guy, because he is that guy. A T-shirt hero? Why not?

Gah. The Guardian is a joke.

So a douchebag who looks like he is about to hit a poetry slam is the hero for the modern age?

Not buying it.

439 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:53:22pm

re: #422 Creepy Totalitarianist

Can’t.

Autistic people aren’t allowed in. I understand why too. I would accept the same for reasons to bar me from gun ownership.

440 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:53:26pm

re: #397 A Mom Anon

Um, wouldn’t anything coated in pork eventually spoil, become rancid and be loaded up with all kinds of bacteria? So that any surface the pork laden product touched become contaminated?

I admit, I’m only a home cook who has taken numerous classes on cooking safety, preserving food, etc, but I must be missing something here. And that’s not the stupidity and hatred behind the idea in the first place.

If it helps move the product, then it is fair game., that is how óur system works.

441 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:53:34pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

You’re very young. Go do some things, join a Muslim relief organization and try to avoid getting killed. Be someone, then think of marrying someone else. Forget daddy—he’s yesterday.

If you want more advice to the lovelorn, try Emily on Slate.

Best advice yet.

442 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:53:50pm

re: #426 Gus

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It’ll be interesting to see if Snowden embraces his hero status. So far he’s been quiet but once he gets settled in he may become some sort of guru/political activist. Of course his activism would have to meet Russia’s approval but I’m sure they can make some sort of mutually beneficial agreement.

443 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:54:26pm

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Dkos is pretty upset that Obama isn’t going to round up the Bush regime and try them for war crimes.
DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War

That reads like a back-of-the-hand. Why would our fine upstanding leaders need immunity?

“I ain’t sayn’ you should go to jail. Here’s yer GOOJF card.”

444 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:54:39pm

re: #436 Gus

To fight the power today you need a laptop, not Che’s gun, and the skills and intelligence to outwit a vast surveillance state. Snowden looks like that guy, because he is that guy. A T-shirt hero? Why not?

Gah. The Guardian is a joke.

It’s bullshit anyway, because Che lives…in Libya.

445 erik_t  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:54:44pm

re: #436 Gus

To fight the power today you need a laptop, not Che’s gun, and the skills and intelligence to outwit a vast surveillance state. Snowden looks like that guy, because he is that guy. A T-shirt hero? Why not?

Gah. The Guardian is a joke.

Outwit vast surveillance state: get your pasty ass stuck on the floor of Sheremetyevo for a month.

446 A Mom Anon  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:55:12pm

re: #218 The Ghost of a Flea

We JUST had a kid here in GA, 16 yrs old, die from a broken neck from a hit at a preseason game. I know, no concussive technology would have stopped that, but for fuck’s sake, why even bring this up on his show? You know we never used to have seat belts or airbags in cars, would his sorry ass drive around in a vehicle without them now? Is that too “feminine” for him?

It’s one thing to be an asshole, it’s another thing entirely to go out of your way, daily, to be an asshole. Fucking sociopath. Psychopath? Both?

447 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:55:15pm

re: #435 erik_t

I’m sure there’s a way you could figure out how to phrase that in a more hyperbolic manner. I’m just not quite sure how.

I can’t wait for the MSNBC coverage of this latest Obama scandal.

448 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:56:22pm

re: #445 erik_t

Outwit vast surveillance state: get your pasty ass stuck on the floor of Sheremetyevo for a month.

He’d impress me that he can “outwit a vast surveillance state” by getting his ass out of Russia.

449 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:57:25pm

re: #428 Dr Lizardo

Now look what you’ve made me do.

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heh! Still love that song. Great video!

450 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:58:23pm

re: #390 wrenchwench

The first time I saw a transgendered woman interviewed (many years ago), she spoke about the pleasures of makeup, dresses, purses, stuff that means nothing to me, and I’m a woman, and I kind of resented that what she enjoyed about womanhood meant nothing to me, and thought my opinion should count for more having been born female in the right body.

I got over it. I’m not the arbiter of womanhood.

Yeah, I always heard that, too. Meh. I haven’t worn a skirt in 20 yrs (and only because it was required at a job I had). Don’t care about the stuff they sell in the market place as “feminine” (makeup, fake breasts, etc). Always was “tailored”, no frilly frou-frou for me (I’m small, so would look like a child). And it’s a relief to have a clean, fresh face all the time.

Women can “cross dress” as much as they wish, which I do, but it’s men who need to get a grip about all that.

451 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:58:27pm

Yep, Snowden is just like Che Guevara, an ally of the Soviet Union.

452 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:58:39pm

re: #443 Decatur Deb

That reads like a back-of-the-hand. Why would our fine upstanding leaders need immunity?

“I ain’t sayn’ you should go to jail. Here’s yer GOOJF card.”

The justice dept is arguing that the plaintiff doesn’t have legal standing to sue. The “procedural immunity” isn’t a blanket proclamation as the title of the diary suggests, just that they are immune in those specific proceedings because the plaintiff doesn’t have legal standing to sue in American courts.

453 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:59:02pm

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Dkos is pretty upset that Obama isn’t going to round up the Bush regime and try them for war crimes.
DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War

ummm… it’s Kos. That’s what they do now.

454 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:59:17pm

re: #451 Gus

Yep, Snowden is just like Che Guevara, an ally of the Soviet Union.

He is a popular icon and a surface onto which people can project their ideals…much like Che, yes.

455 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:59:26pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout

It’ll be interesting to see if Snowden embraces his hero status. So far he’s been quiet but once he gets settled in he may become some sort of guru/political activist. Of course his activism would have to meet Russia’s approval but I’m sure they can make some sort of mutually beneficial agreement.

When he starts babbling, and the Russians realize he’s not drunk, they’ll boot him.

456 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 2:59:56pm
457 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:01:19pm

re: #454 Sol Berdinowitz

He is a popular icon and a surface onto which people can project their ideals…much like Che, yes.

Che Guevara, Soviet ally and mini-tyrant. Guy Fawkes, far-right Catholic terrorist.

458 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:01:57pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

The justice dept is arguing that the plaintiff doesn’t have legal standing to sue. The “procedural immunity” isn’t a blanket proclamation as the title of the diary suggests, just that they are immune in those specific proceedings because the plaintiff doesn’t have legal standing to sue in American courts.

Ex-presidents-in-waiting are generous to ex-presidents.

459 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:02:03pm

re: #450 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I always heard that, too. Meh. I haven’t worn a skirt in 20 yrs (and only because it was required at a job I had). Don’t care about the stuff they sell in the market place as “feminine” (makeup, fake breasts, etc). Always was “tailored”, no frilly frou-frou for me (I’m small, so would look like a child). And it’s a relief to have a clean, fresh face all the time.

Women can “cross dress” as much as they wish, which I do, but it’s men who need to get a grip about all that.

Stupidest choice I made as a youth: I didn’t learn how to type, because I was afraid that skill could doom me to a life of wearing pantyhose in some office (she typed slowly, then she Previewed just to be sure...)

460 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:02:21pm

It seems to me if someone was able to outwit a vast surveillance network, then:

1) We would still have no idea who that person was.

2) That person wouldn’t have had to flee to non-allied states to avoid legal extradition procedures

3) Wouldn’t get stuck in an airport for a month

4) that person would have known better than to trust Greenwald.

461 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:03:20pm

re: #455 Decatur Deb

When he starts babbling, and the Russians realize he’s not drunk, the they’ll boot him.

It depends on if Snowden is willing to play by their rules, I think he might be willing to cooperate.

462 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:04:34pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

It depends on if Snowden is willing to play by their rules, I think he might be willing to cooperate.

An ordinary person would do that. I think our boy is extraordinary.

463 Kragar  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:04:35pm

And since when did “outwitting” mean your dad gets you a job, you fill your pockets with whatever you could grab, then make a bolt for the border before the cops realize you robbed anyone?

464 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:05:32pm

Asked my Imam about Islamic Relief in the US. What is their reputation? Any hinky-ness?

465 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:05:42pm

re: #457 Gus

Che Guevara, Soviet ally and mini-tyrant. Guy Fawkes, far-right Catholic terrorist.

V, unreliable narrator, anarchic terrorist.

It still leaves me shaking my head any time some young teen who watched V For Vendetta thinks he has any fucking clue what V really stood for. There’s a reason that Moore absolutely refused any connection to the film.

466 urbanmeemaw  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:06:02pm

re: #61 Gus

“The Guardian - All The News That’s Fit To Be Reprinted. Maybe”.

467 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:06:20pm

re: #458 Decatur Deb

Ex-presidents-in-waiting are generous to ex-presidents.

That’s what makes most Western countries stable democracies. When countries start rounding up ex-leaders once another party takes over it’s a very destabilizing factor on democracy. When leaders have to fear arrest and prosecution it makes them less likely to leave power voluntarily. That’s why democracy has a hard time taking hold in many parts of the world.

468 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:06:36pm

re: #465 Targetpractice

V, unreliable narrator, anarchic terrorist.

It still leaves me shaking my head any time some young teen who watched V For Vendetta thinks he has any fucking clue what V really stood for. There’s a reason that Moore absolutely refused any connection to the film.

Yep. They transformed “V” beyond all recognition in that film.

469 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:06:59pm
470 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:08:31pm

re: #464 ProTARDISLiberal

Asked my Imam about Islamic Relief in the US. What is their reputation? Any hinky-ness?

Haven’t heard anything bad about Red Crescent, except the usual big-charity stuff. Why US? GIS skills (and shovel skills) would be useful on an earthquake team.

471 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:09:28pm

re: #470 Decatur Deb

Oh, this is a different organization.

I am actually asking my Imam the same questions.

472 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:14:35pm

re: #464 ProTARDISLiberal

Asked my Imam about Islamic Relief in the US. What is their reputation? Any hinky-ness?

CharityNavigator gives them a 3 out of 4. Not too bad, only downding was on records retention and destruction.

charitynavigator.org

473 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:15:46pm

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

CharityNavigator give them a 3 out of 4. Not too bad, only downding was on records retention and destruction.

charitynavigator.org

Why keep records? That’s what the NSA is for.

474 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:16:08pm

re: #473 Decatur Deb

Why keep records? That’s what the NSA is for.

heh!

475 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:17:07pm

re: #469 Gus

[Embedded content]

Some dudebro looking for attention from his hero, by ratting out an Obamabot?

476 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:18:37pm

re: #368 Targetpractice

“If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.”

Fine. But check this: the UK made 63,902 of these “Schedule 7 stops” in 2011-12. 61,662 people stopped were held under an hour. With those kinds of numbers, you’d have to think someone was Zawahiri himself to hold him for 9.

How are we safer again?

477 Gus  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:19:28pm

™re: #475 wrenchwench

Some dudebro looking for attention from his hero, by ratting out an Obamabot?

Don’t know what he is. Some nut that’s for certain.

478 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:20:39pm

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Dkos is pretty upset that Obama isn’t going to round up the Bush regime and try them for war crimes.
DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld for Iraq War

That suit isn’t about a war crimes trial. It’s a tort suit.

479 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:21:11pm

re: #368 Targetpractice

“If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.”

Fine. But check this: the UK made 63,902 of these “Schedule 7 stops” in 2011-12. 61,662 people stopped were held under an hour. With those kinds of numbers, you’d have to think someone was Zawahiri himself to hold him for 9.

How are we safer again?

480 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:23:32pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

The justice dept is arguing that the plaintiff doesn’t have legal standing to sue. The “procedural immunity” isn’t a blanket proclamation as the title of the diary suggests, just that they are immune in those specific proceedings because the plaintiff doesn’t have legal standing to sue in American courts.

No, it’s because they’re acting as agents of the government at the time. It says so right on the PDF.

Here’s some more information about it to help you understand it.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

481 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:28:30pm

re: #479 TheSwedish

“If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.”

Fine. But check this: the UK made 63,902 of these “Schedule 7 stops” in 2011-12. 61,662 people stopped were held under an hour. With those kinds of numbers, you’d have to think someone was Zawahiri himself to hold him for 9.

How are we safer again?

What’s this “we” business? I haven’t been through Heathrow in my life, I doubt most Americans have. Why should how they handle a guy like Miranda make us question if we’re safer?

482 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:32:11pm

re: #479 TheSwedish

“If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.”

Fine. But check this: the UK made 63,902 of these “Schedule 7 stops” in 2011-12. 61,662 people stopped were held under an hour. With those kinds of numbers, you’d have to think someone was Zawahiri himself to hold him for 9.

How are we safer again?

Not sure what your point is. More than a couple of thousand were held for more than one hour. Do you know who any of them were?
I commented the other night that when I went to Scotland (via Glasgow Airport) back in 2004, I was told in no uncertain terms to NOT identify myself as a US journalist, even though that was and is my main occupation, because THAT fact alone was almost immediate grounds for denying me entry into the UK, even though I was not going to Scotland with my “journalist hat” on.
I was also told that when I went to England (via Manchester Airport) a few years later (again, not traveling wearing my “journalist hat”).
I still got grilled for some time at Glasgow when I identified myself as a farmer (my other job).
When I went to UK later, I identified myself as a housewife on holiday to visit friends in Yorkshire and THAT still took 30 minutes.

483 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:34:43pm

re: #479 TheSwedish

“If they can hold you 9 hours until you either ask for a lawyer or until they are legally required to release you, they will.”

Fine. But check this: the UK made 63,902 of these “Schedule 7 stops” in 2011-12. 61,662 people stopped were held under an hour. With those kinds of numbers, you’d have to think someone was Zawahiri himself to hold him for 9.

How are we safer again?

You might feel better holding this until the British describe what they’re finding on Miranda’s media. They have a week, and seem to have results already.

484 Decatur Deb  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:35:10pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

You have a suspicious face.

485 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:52:40pm

re: #481 Targetpractice

“What’s this ‘we’ business?”

Terrorism’s a global problem, and the UK is not an unimportant ally in America’s battle against it. Try again.

486 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:56:12pm

re: #485 TheSwedish

“What’s this ‘we’ business?”

Terrorism’s a global problem, and the UK is not an unimportant ally in America’s battle against it. Try again.

You haven’t the first fucking clue what it was that Miranda was carrying, but you’re absolutely certain that nothing in there qualifies under the UK’s laws concerning terrorism?

487 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 3:58:04pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Not sure what your point is.”

My point is that there is a big enough gap between shorter stops (which, for all we know, could go anywhere from, say, 20 minutes to an hour) and longer ones that can go “the full nine” to suggest abuse on the part of the authorities.

As the blogger to whom I linked in my response wrote, “Ray Kelly would love this law.”

488 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:03:19pm

re: #486 Targetpractice

“You haven’t the first fucking clue what it was that Miranda was carrying, but you’re absolutely certain that nothing in there qualifies under the UK’s laws concerning terrorism?”

I’m an American with British blood, and I’m old enough to remember a time when the British government used anti-terrorism laws to broadbrush Irish civilians. Of course, you’ll probably use your next post to say I don’t want any counterterrorism programs at all, but I’m not going to reflexively lie down with Cameron & Co. on this one, skip.

489 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:06:14pm

re: #488 TheSwedish

“You haven’t the first fucking clue what it was that Miranda was carrying, but you’re absolutely certain that nothing in there qualifies under the UK’s laws concerning terrorism?”

I’m an American with British blood, and I’m old enough to remember a time when the British government used anti-terrorism laws to broadbrush Irish civilians. Of course, you’ll probably use your next post to say I don’t want any counterterrorism programs at all, but I’m not going to reflexively lie down with Cameron & Co. on this one, skip.

Actually no, I was going to suggest you sit on your ass and wait until the full facts come out before speaking from atop your ivory tower about “abuse.” Though I’m sure you’ll be quick to declare that it doesn’t matter what Miranda did, 9 hours was totally uncalled for and he should have been turned loose the moment he refused to talk to the authorities.

490 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:06:54pm

Adding, specifically, Targetpractice:

How does denying a questioner a translator and, say, offering a lawyer in the last hour of a suspect’s detention make people safe?

You still haven’t answered.

491 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:09:47pm

re: #490 TheSwedish

Adding, specifically, Targetpractice:

How does denying a questioner a translator and, say, offering a lawyer in the last hour of a suspect’s detention make people safe?

You still haven’t answered.

And as I noted far upthread, the Guardian’s story keeps changing with each passing day. That you take what they’ve said at face value, despite your stated skepticism, is laughable.

492 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:20:19pm

re: #365 GeneJockey

“The problem comes when you read it and fail to take into account the track record of sensationalism, shoddy reporting, and outright mendacity.”

Actually, the argument of many people on this thread seems to be: since the Guardian has stepped in shit, a proportional response is necessary, and the only appropriately proportional response is to not read any of the Guardian’s NatSec writers.

493 TheSwedish  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:22:11pm

re: #491 Targetpractice

“And as I noted far upthread, the Guardian’s story keeps changing with each passing day.”

Shorter you: the UK Gov’t. couldn’t possibly abuse its counter-terrorism laws because THE GUARDIAN.

494 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 4:23:58pm

re: #493 TheSwedish

“And as I noted far upthread, the Guardian’s story keeps changing with each passing day.”

Shorter you: the UK Gov’t. couldn’t possibly abuse its counter-terrorism laws because THE GUARDIAN.

No, shorter me is that I have no clue what sort of man Miranda is and have every reason to believe that his version of events, as reported by the Guardian, are at best half-truths and worst total fabrications. I don’t start from the assumption that the government abused its power and then work back from there.

495 Bear  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 5:12:30pm

Horrible. What the heck is wrong with people?
kxly.com

496 Mattand  Thu, Aug 22, 2013 7:55:08pm

re: #467 Killgore Trout

That’s what makes most Western countries stable democracies. When countries start rounding up ex-leaders once another party takes over it’s a very destabilizing factor on democracy. When leaders have to fear arrest and prosecution it makes them less likely to leave power voluntarily. That’s why democracy has a hard time taking hold in many parts of the world.

I just have a hard time squaring that with an American President whose attitude towards torture was “Just change the name and knock yourselves out, guys.”

You’d think that fear of being prosecuted for torturing other humans would be enough of a deterrent.


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