re: #489 Big Beautiful Door

“He was horrifying about the tape, lied a lot, kept interrupting Clinton again, stalked around. But he didn’t meltdown into utter incoherence like the first debate, so he “won.”“

I recall see a video clip on the Crooks & Liars site in which Charles Krauthammer and another talking head on Fox advised Trump to lie to win the election. Real standup guys. they are. That they suggested lying to win tells me that they aren’t the paragons of virtue they want right-wingers to think they are.