re: #725 quiet man

For a subject to be considered in a scientific way, especially a subject that contains mostly unknowns and unprovables…there are 3 ways to get there if you cannot (or will not) follow scientific method

Disregard the math,
Disregard the unknowns,
Disregard all arguments and proclaim the subject closed.

The math suggests there are problems with evolution acting alone and at random. The unknowns suggest that more testing is needed to confirm or fill in the incredible holes in the theory on random/survival evolution. As for disregarding all arguments and proclaiming victory..that particular flag of science has been waved in error far too many times in the past for it to be instantly acceptable.

Please link to this purported math. And no, Behe or Dembski will not do (they’ve been repeatedly refuted, discredited and debunked). And please link to these huge holes of which you vaguely speak. Just because evrything is not yet known does not mean that nothing is known. We do indeed know very many things. And one of the things we know beyond rational statistical doubt is that evolution happens, and that it proceeds by random genetic mutation and nonrandom environmental selection (note that the environmental selection component is NONrandom).

Are there any statisticians in the house?

Before you ding me, know I am not a creationist, nor a paulian..and right now I am not sure if I am a republican, (tho I am sure I am not a liberal or centrist)…I am someone uncomfortable with the glaring holes in both the theories of evolution and creationism. At this point, the math does not support either theory very well.

Actually, the math is solidly on evolution’s side. Humans and chimpanzees, for example, share 90% of their genomes, including thousands of artifactual retroviral sequences, all inserted in precisely isomorphic locations in the species’ respective 3 billion base pair genomes. The chances of this happening in the absence of common ancestry are less than the chances of your buying a single ticket in every lottery and sweepstakes round the world and winning them all, then playing every one-armed bandit on the planet with a single coin each, and hitting the jackpot on them all.