Tech Note: JQuery Reversion Syndrome

ScienceJanuary 2009 • Views: 2,172

It’s back to jQuery 1.2.6 again; the new version needs just a bit more tweaking and tuning and bug eradication to be all it can be. We discovered a couple of spots in our code where version 1.3.1 was executing some DOM lookups much more slowly than the older version, even causing script timeout alerts in some browsers.

The new version of jQuery has some great features, especially the live event binding calls that let you automatically assign delegated event handlers to DOM elements created dynamically (like our spinoff links, for example). One or two more bug-fix releases and it should be ready for the lizard pit.

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113 comments

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:07:12am

I love tech threads!

rwmofo Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:07:15am

Yeah, try explaining that to my Mom.

solomonpanting Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:07:55am

bug eradication

Insectist!

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:09:50am

Charles..Do you use MYSQL to run the backend DataBase? Do you use alot of XHTML/HDHTML code to connect to the Dbase?

notutopia Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:10:28am

Thanks Charles for all you do to keep us speedy and
connected to LGF.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:10:33am

Argh! In the Dallas Morning News there's a huge man-made global warming piece by a nut that insists the science is settled, and it's already too late. (Unless we stop making it political, and give in to all their political ideas, of course.)

Daisy Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:10:46am

Thanks, Charles!

Tumulus11 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:11:31am

. Mr. Beaumont wrote the code on bug eradication.

amused Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:12:08am

Still takes a while for the site to load on my old P3 650Ghz Win XP websurfing machine. Probably just me though. I do notice that on most sites, it's the ads that take so long. You webmasters are the only ones that can complain and make them fix that.

Oh, and, HopenChange Forever! :P

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:13:25am

(Document Object Model) A specification for a programming interface (API) from the W3C that allows programs and scripts to update the content, structure and style of HTML and XML documents. A DOM implementation in a Web browser provides a core set of functions that let scripts access browser elements such as windows and history. Additional functions allow updating of HTML style sheets and XML content.

It Makes the Document Look Like a Database
DOM is especially useful for XML documents because it converts the document in memory into a hierarchical node tree that looks like a database record. The node tree allows updating in a similar manner to database updating, making data exchange between XML documents and databases more straightforward. Without DOM turning the document into an object model and handling the updating, the text and tags in an XML document would have to be scanned sequentially and rearranged by the program. DOM was first introduced in late 1998.

Dom Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:13:26am

When will LGF render well and allow dings and logins and things on mobile browsers with scripts turned off? I love LGF and I know Charles puts a hell of a lot into it, it's tough to check for compatibility with mobile browsers and mobile user-friendliness still isn't massive so I'm just asking for whatever it's worth. I find LGF isn't too bad in mobile Opera but even then the site clearly wasn't designed with phones in mind. But it's a growing market and a lot of sites even have a mobile version.
/timid suggestion

Daisy Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:13:28am

re: #6 Shay4l

When I was a kid, a staple joke could be reliably built around the image of the forlorn old guy holding up the placard that read, "The world is coming to an end".

Exactly when and why did this cease being the joke it ought to be?

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:15:15am

Should have put that in quotes. It's from a PC Magazine definition of DOM

jwb7605 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:16:14am

Famous last words: "I just found the last bug."

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:16:57am

re: #12 Daisy

When I was a kid, a staple joke could be reliably built around the image of the forlorn old guy holding up the placard that read, "The world is coming to an end".

Exactly when and why did this cease being the joke it ought to be?

When it became $o lucrative to Algore and the scientists looking for grant money?

alegrias Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:17:10am

re: #12 Daisy

When I was a kid, a staple joke could be reliably built around the image of the forlorn old guy holding up the placard that read, "The world is coming to an end".

Exactly when and why did this cease being the joke it ought to be?

* * *

1968.

Neo Con since 9-11 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:17:59am

Since tech threads are doomed to become Hopen Threads I'll risk being the first to go off topic. Pat Condell is back

We are not going to respect Islam until islam starts to respects us, but then if that ever happened it wouldn't be Islam any more. And that in a nutshel is the problem. Peace

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:18:28am

A fresh rant from Pat Condell....
Shame on The Netherlands

Youtube Video

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:19:20am

Hm. Perhaps that explains the problems I was having yesterday where I would click new comments and it would seem to hang. I would always have to reload the page.

New avatar....

alegrias Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #15 Shay4l

When it became $o lucrative to Algore and the scientists looking for grant money?

* * *
Al Gore's previous racket, "Re-Inventing Government", or REGO as his horrible boring movie was called, didn't get very far, nor was it HOllywood sexy enough.

Then Gore tried to launch the Macarena dance craze, but he ended it pre-emptively at the Rio conference on something or other when he took the stage and danced.

What a sleaze bag Wind bag that Gore is.

Neo Con since 9-11 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:20:52am

re: #18 Killgore Trout

GMTA

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:22:47am

re: #17 Neo Con since 9-11

Heh. You beat me by 30 seconds.

MarineGrunt Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:22:50am

to be all it can be

The Hamsters joined the Army.

Bobblehead Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:25:02am

Techie talk. Even though I don't understand it, I find it so much more interesting than anything the Bamster has to say.

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:25:20am

re: #19 vxbush

Hm. Perhaps that explains the problems I was having yesterday where I would click new comments and it would seem to hang. I would always have to reload the page.

New avatar....

Love the new avatar.. I sneak cherry garcia on the side..

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:25:54am

re: #25 HoosierHoops

Love the new avatar.. I sneak cherry garcia on the side..

I had no idea they came in single-serving sizes. It's so cute!

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:26:15am

Charles, is there a way to make the windows that pop up with the user information scrollable?

Some of those user info windows are too large to fit on my laptop screen. vxbush has one that is like that. Likely due to the large picture for the avatar.

Karagush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:27:03am

Hey Hoosier, I know this is OT but did you see the short article i posted on that dead thread about the Donkey in TQ?
I hope that answered your questions about where my guy is and who he is with without breaking any promises i made to him.

OldLineTexan Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:27:22am

re: #26 vxbush

I had no idea they came in single-serving sizes. It's so cute!

Which size container has more than one serving?

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:27:46am

re: #27 CyanSnowHawk

Charles, is there a way to make the windows that pop up with the user information scrollable?

Some of those user info windows are too large to fit on my laptop screen. vxbush has one that is like that. Likely due to the large picture for the avatar.

Oh, dear! I'm sorry. I could shrink it down, but I rather like having a larger one so folks can really see what it is. I like it when others make theirs large. It's a bit more fun that way. But if it's too much trouble, I can shrink it down.

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #29 OldLineTexan

Which size container has more than one serving?

/

HA! Okay, look I try to be good. That doesn't mean I always succeed.

yma o hyd Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:28:45am

re: #17 Neo Con since 9-11

Since tech threads are doomed to become Hopen Threads I'll risk being the first to go off topic. Pat Condell is back

I do love Pat Condell!
Thanks for that!

jwb7605 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:30:47am

re: #32 yma o hyd

I do love Pat Condell!
Thanks for that!

Who is Pat Condell?

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:31:30am

re: #28 Karagush

Hey Hoosier, I know this is OT but did you see the short article i posted on that dead thread about the Donkey in TQ?
I hope that answered your questions about where my guy is and who he is with without breaking any promises i made to him.

No I did not..I'm sorry..I went to the lounge a couple times trying to hook up with you..I understand your need to be very secretive of your loved ones marine division.. My boy is in the 3/5th...We'll hook up.. I like marineparents.com web site

doppelganglander Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:31:50am

Tech Note: JQuery Reversion Syndrome

So in other words, an open thread for the rest of us who don't understand what that means.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:32:03am

re: #33 jwb7605

He's a potty mouthed, godless, amoral, atheist who hates religion and wants to destroy Western civilization.
/

OldLineTexan Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:32:14am

re: #33 jwb7605

Who is Pat Condell?

He is a ranting atheist who is batshit SANE.

OldLineTexan Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:32:43am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

He's a potty mouthed, godless, amoral, atheist who hates religion and wants to destroy Western civilization.
/

I think it's good to have a goal.

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:32:49am

re: #30 vxbush

Oh, dear! I'm sorry. I could shrink it down, but I rather like having a larger one so folks can really see what it is. I like it when others make theirs large. It's a bit more fun that way. But if it's too much trouble, I can shrink it down.

I was just asking a technical question, and used you as an example, since I was reminded of the problem when I checked out your tasty new avatar. I think my avatar has the same problem. My desktop, old notebook, and workstation don't have that problem, but the new notebook has a smaller screen.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:33:11am

re: #28 Karagush

Hey Hoosier, I know this is OT but did you see the short article i posted on that dead thread about the Donkey in TQ?

That sounds vaguely dirty

Karagush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:33:19am

re: #34 HoosierHoops

No I did not..I'm sorry..I went to the lounge a couple times trying to hook up with you..I understand your need to be very secretive of your loved ones marine division.. My boy is in the 3/5th...We'll hook up.. I like marineparents.com web site

glad you understand. yeah i saw i missed you this morning and was sad. My kid was boggarting the computer last night. LOL.

avanti Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:33:31am

Found this link on Hot Air about Rush saying he hopes Obama will fail. It's a good read

Bloodnok Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:33:36am

re: #37 OldLineTexan

He is a ranting atheist who is batshit SANE.

"Who is Killgore Trout, Alex?"

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:33:58am

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

I was just asking a technical question, and used you as an example, since I was reminded of the problem when I checked out your tasty new avatar. I think my avatar has the same problem. My desktop, old notebook, and workstation don't have that problem, but the new notebook has a smaller screen.

If I may ask, what are the pixel dimensions of the notebook screen? 800 x 600?

nyc redneck Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:34:08am

re: #32 yma o hyd

I do love Pat Condell!
Thanks for that!

i love him too.
i wonder what kind of problems he is having w/ the pc authorities, the jihadis and the leftists loons.
i hope he remains safe and keeps speaking up, so plainly and powerfully.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:34:25am

Video of holocaust denial in action.....
British Bishop Richard Williamson: 6 Million Jews Weren't Gassed

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:34:40am

re: #40 Shay4l

That sounds vaguely dirty

Easy Shay41

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #43 Bloodnok

Heh.

rwmofo Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:34:48am

Obama's Senior Staffers Subpoenaed - Media Yawns

Rahm Emanuel & David Axelrod (& Rezko) get subpoenaed and the MSM looks the other way, just like they'd do if these people were ~~Republicans~~ conservatives.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:36:35am

REGO?
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Condell?

Hi I'm Pat Condell. I don't respect your beliefs and I don't care if you are offended. Cheers.

OK I'm almost caught up on this thread.

lawhawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #44 vxbush

Depends on the model, but 800x600 is just one... 1024, 768 is more common today than it has been, especially on larger display models (XGA format)

Silhouette Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:38:14am

Speaking of Al Gore, from this picture, it appears that he is now complaining about drought conditions.

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:38:23am

re: #49 rwmofo

Obama's Senior Staffers Subpoenaed - Media Yawns

Rahm Emanuel & David Axelrod (& Rezko) get subpoenaed and the MSM looks the other way, just like they'd do if these people were ~~Republicans~~ conservatives.

/

Man, that is a HUGE list! For those unwilling to follow the link, here are the folks called into Fitzgerald's office:

Among those served with subpoenas were:
David Axelrod, Obama's "Karl Rove" and the biggest surprise on the list. Obama's team issued a report in December that said his staff had no "inappropriate contact" with Blago, so the inclusion of Axelrod is a bit of a shock.

Valerie Jarrett, Blago's "Senate Candidate 1", a real estate management executive and political hack of the first order. Her ties to failed and fraudulent real estate deals in Chicago were the subject of numerous investigations and should have instantly disqualified her for any public office.

Rahm Emanuel was already deeply involved in the case with some reports describing as many as 21 conversations with Blago's office during the period in question.

Tony Rezko, Obama's first advocate, fundraiser and adviser, was convicted last year on numerous charges related to kickbacks, is awaiting sentencing. Rezko is "cooperating with authorities, FBI Agent Daniel Cain said in an affidavit."

Others served include:

• Patricia Blagojevich, first lady
• River Realty, her former employer
• Friends of Blagojevich, the governor's campaign committee
• Citizens for Blagojevich, his former committee
• Robert Blagojevich, the governor's brother and campaign chairman
• Christopher Kelly, former adviser and fundraiser for governor
• Alonzo Monk, former Blagojevich chief of staff, now a lobbyist
• Milan Petrovic, lobbyist and campaign fundraiser
• John Wyma, former Blagojevich adviser, now a lobbyist
• Paul Rosenfeld, lobbyist
• J.B. Pritzker, wealthy Chicagoan whom Blagojevich might have considered to replace Obama in U.S. Senate
• Gery Chico, former Chicago school board president and one-time U.S. Senate candidate
• Doug Scofield, former Blagojevich adviser, now a consultant
• Scofield Communications
• Service Employees International Union
• Tom Balanoff, SEIU Illinois president
• Change to Win, an SEIU-affiliated activist group
• Sam Zell, owner of the Chicago Tribune
• Nils Larsen, an adviser to Zell
• The Chicago Tribune
• The Tribune Co., the newspaper's parent company
• Michael Vondra, owner of asphalt and construction companies
• Gerald Krozel, vice president of a concrete company
• John Johnston, president of Balmoral Park racetrack
• Fred Yang, Washington, D.C.-based Blagojevich consultant
• Garin Hart Yang Research Group, Yang's firm
• William Knapp, Washington, D.C.-based Blagojevich consultant
• Squire, Knapp & Dunn, Knapp's firm
• Doug Sosnick, political consultant

Blago's "Senate Candidate 3", Jan Schakowsky, was not served with a subpoena, but will have some questions of her own to answer in the days to come.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:38:53am

re: #47 HoosierHoops

Easy Shay41

Sorry, my mind may need washing out with soap.

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:38:58am

re: #51 lawhawk

Depends on the model, but 800x600 is just one... 1024, 768 is more common today than it has been, especially on larger display models (XGA format)

He said it was small, and that's the smallest standard size you see these days.

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:39:03am

re: #42 avanti

Found this link on Hot Air about Rush saying he hopes Obama will fail. It's a good read

It's a good example of complaining about something and then going right on to obliviously do that very thing.

yma o hyd Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:39:09am

re: #33 jwb7605

Who is Pat Condell?

He's a brilliant British comedian who is putting up outstanding jibes against Islam (and agaisnt christians) on youtube.
He is an atheist - but hey, he's witty, funny, acerbic, and i just love him!

Silhouette Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #53 vxbush

• The Chicago Tribune
• The Tribune Co., the newspaper's parent company

Whoa.

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:40:49am

re: #44 vxbush

If I may ask, what are the pixel dimensions of the notebook screen? 800 x 600?

1366 x 768

I have the font size jacked up to prevent eye strain as well.

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:41:12am

re: #58 Silhouette

Whoa.

Yup. This has suddenly become very interesting--although it was pretty interesting before.

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:42:35am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

I am reminded of the idiom:

None are so blind as those that will not see.

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:42:52am

re: #59 CyanSnowHawk

1366 x 768

I have the font size jacked up to prevent eye strain as well.

Ah, so it's close to a 15" monitor. Hmm. I'm not sure if the tool Charles is using to create the "pop up" allows for scroll bars.

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:43:12am

re: #54 Shay4l

Sorry, my mind may need washing out with soap.

LOL NP..Just chatting with a lizard who's husband is deployed in Iraq..
Our family wishes her well and all the good luck in the world...You kind of just stumbled into the discussion..waking up and realizing you are in your underwear..! LOL
King regards Shay41

Wishing Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:43:23am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Video of holocaust denial in action.....
British Bishop Richard Williamson: 6 Million Jews Weren't Gassed

Not good. Not good at all.

avanti Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:44:27am

re: #56 CyanSnowHawk

It's a good example of complaining about something and then going right on to obliviously do that very thing.

I sorted though all of it, but only truly agree with one main point. Regardless of your politics, or who's POTUS, you don't wish them to fail. I'd like to believe Rush was quoted out of context, and he probably was, but I've seen others say "I hope he fails" and don't get the logic..

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:47:10am

Kind of near-topic techy type post, our Bd of Directors wants to have all the hard drives in our enterprise encrypted. My boss gave them an estimate of 40,000 hours, minimum.

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #51 lawhawk

Depends on the model, but 800x600 is just one... 1024, 768 is more common today than it has been, especially on larger display models (XGA format)

I've got a new widescreen format 15.4" notebook (Compaq CQ60, AMD AthlonX2 64 dual core, with nVidia 8200M graphics). Picked it up after my old 17" 1440x900 HP zd7000 notebook died in early December.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:48:01am

Hamas tried to hijack ambulances during Gaza war

"I knew the Israelis were watching me because I could see the red laser beam in the ambulance and on me, on my body," he said.

Getting out of the ambulance and entering the house, he saw there were three Hamas fighters taking cover inside. One half of the building had already been destroyed.

"They were very scared, and very nervous … They dropped their weapons and ordered me to get them out, to put them in the ambulance and take them away. I refused, because if the IDF sees me doing this I am finished, I cannot pick up any more wounded people.

"And then one of the fighters picked up a gun and held it to my head, to force me. I still refused, and then they allowed me to leave."

Mr Shriteh says Hamas made several attempts to hijack the al-Quds Hospital's fleet of ambulances during the war.

I strongly suspect this is video of Hamas fighters using an ambulance....

Youtube Video

It's blurry but watch it in full screen mode.

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #62 vxbush

Ah, so it's close to a 15" monitor. Hmm. I'm not sure if the tool Charles is using to create the "pop up" allows for scroll bars.

I think that's likely the case, but am not sure of it.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:49:05am

re: #64 Wishing

The article is a little out of date. He was restored by the Vatican yesterday. It's disgraceful.

lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:49:37am

Real Men aren't afraid of technology, fortunately we have experts who can explain.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:50:03am

re: #65 avanti

I sorted though all of it, but only truly agree with one main point. Regardless of your politics, or who's POTUS, you don't wish them to fail. I'd like to believe Rush was quoted out of context, and he probably was, but I've seen others say "I hope he fails" and don't get the logic..

I did not bear the broadcast, but I believe the context was that if Obama is trying to implement massive socialist changes to move the US away from capitalism, Limbaugh hopes he fails.

Not a true transcript, but it is what I think was said. Probly off somewhat.

lawhawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:50:38am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Why would the IDF use lasers that are so easily visible? Would they not be using infrared? Not quite sure what to think of that, though it is plausible.

jwb7605 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:50:39am

Afghan President: U.S. Forces killed 16 civilians

(Drudge -> My Way News)

This one is on Obama.

lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:51:04am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Video of holocaust denial in action.....
British Bishop Richard Williamson: 6 Million Jews Weren't Gassed

Queen Elizabeth should sack him. She is head of the Church of England.

mean Gene Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:52:02am

That must be why, for the first time in a long while, I got that spinning spiral of doom several times last night.
(Or there could be a totally different explanation.)
It must be hard work and a constant vigil.

doppelganglander Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:53:13am

re: #53 vxbush

It would have been easier to list the residents of Illinois who weren't subpoenaed. To save time, I've already prepared the Obama administration's response:

It's a distraction! Bush's failed policies! Smart diplomacy! No direct contact! A conspiracy to raise taxes! Witch hunt!

Did I leave anything out?

mean Gene Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Video of holocaust denial in action.....
British Bishop Richard Williamson: 6 Million Jews Weren't Gassed

Is this a different guy from the one the Pope re-invited into the Catholic Church the other day?

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #77 doppelganglander

It would have been easier to list the residents of Illinois who weren't subpoenaed. To save time, I've already prepared the Obama administration's response:

It's a distraction! Bush's failed policies! Smart diplomacy! No direct contact! A conspiracy to raise taxes! Witch hunt!

Did I leave anything out?

I never had sexual relations with that lobbyist.....

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:54:02am

re: #65 avanti

I sorted though all of it, but only truly agree with one main point. Regardless of your politics, or who's POTUS, you don't wish them to fail. I'd like to believe Rush was quoted out of context, and he probably was, but I've seen others say "I hope he fails" and don't get the logic..

I heard the context of the quote several days ago. I don't remember all of it, but O'Reilly pretty much said that Rush knew what he was saying and how it would be used in order to generate the very publicity he was getting. IIRC, Rush basically said that if Obama pushed hard to force this country into Obama's socialist ideals, Rush hoped that he failed at it.

Randall Gross Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:54:50am

So I should hit refresh...

A Man for all Seasons Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:55:42am

re: #79 vxbush

I never had sexual relations with that lobbyist.....

They say make up sex is best.. But what about lobbyist sex? You get sex and thousands of dollars to boot...
/

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:55:46am

re: #73 lawhawk

The do use visible lasers sometimes because it lets people know they are being watched. I heard of an American psyops program that invloved nothing but a drone with a visible laser that would follow a single fighter/terrorist. All of a sudden he was very unpopular with his friends.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #78 mean Gene

It's the same guy.

Wishing Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:56:15am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

The article is a little out of date. He was restored by the Vatican yesterday. It's disgraceful.

I think I remember reading about these 4. I seem to remember that they disputed *updating* the RCC, in particular Vatican II. They were defrocked, after a fashion, as being way too hardline. (if it is the group I am recalling).

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:56:40am

re: #75 lifeofthemind

He's Catholic now.

Bloodnok Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:56:40am

re: #77 doppelganglander

It would have been easier to list the residents of Illinois who weren't subpoenaed. To save time, I've already prepared the Obama administration's response:

It's a distraction! Bush's failed policies! Smart diplomacy! No direct contact! A conspiracy to raise taxes! Witch hunt!

Did I leave anything out?

"Get back to doing the work of the American people"

Wishing Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:56:58am

re: #75 lifeofthemind

Queen Elizabeth should sack him. She is head of the Church of England.

Church of England has no sway over RCC, as far as I know.

Shug Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:57:04am

iTunes rec:
I'm not a fan of Nirvana in the studio, but I just purchased "From the muddy banks of the Wishkah" on iTunes

a live collection.

Awesome, especially if you prefer bands recorded live and not the plastic studio sounds

17 songs for 9.99 too. a good deal

CyanSnowHawk Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:57:44am

re: #75 lifeofthemind

Queen Elizabeth should sack him. She is head of the Church of England.

She would have no jurisdiction over a Catholic Bishop. Wrong Church.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #85 Wishing

Yeah, that's them. The Society of Saint Pius X....
Roman Catholic traditionalists welcome Vatican decree

kcladderman Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

He's Catholic now.

As a Catholic I personally wish he wasn't.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:00:05pm

So, was Windows Vista a known failure MS put out before introducing Windows NT 7, for some kind of foolish reason?

itellu3times Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:00:30pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

The do use visible lasers sometimes because it lets people know they are being watched. I heard of an American psyops program that invloved nothing but a drone with a visible laser that would follow a single fighter/terrorist. All of a sudden he was very unpopular with his friends.

exactamundo.

doppelganglander Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #87 Bloodnok

"Get back to doing the work of the American people"

That's a good one.

WriterMom Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty effing pissed about that.

vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:02:30pm

re: #93 Shay4l

So, was Windows Vista a known failure MS put out before introducing Windows NT 7, for some kind of foolish reason?

No, as much as I detest Microsoft, I don't think they put it out thinking it was a failure and therefore should be pushed out the door as quickly as possible. I just think they realized that they had no revenue stream coming from operating system sales and they couldn't keep the company afloat without something selling. The problem is, they set the hardware bar for Vista so high no one could really run it.

Shay4l Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:04:33pm

re: #97 vxbush

The problem is, they set the hardware bar for Vista so high no one could really run it.

True, that. They had to have taken a bath on it.

itellu3times Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #97 vxbush

No, as much as I detest Microsoft, I don't think they put it out thinking it was a failure and therefore should be pushed out the door as quickly as possible. I just think they realized that they had no revenue stream coming from operating system sales and they couldn't keep the company afloat without something selling. The problem is, they set the hardware bar for Vista so high no one could really run it.

The problem is, they have no sense.

They should have annual releases for people to spend on.

But the hard part is finding new features people would actually want. It's probably easier to do the development, than the finding. Microsoft has never been known for anything resembling creativity.

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vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #99 itellu3times

The problem is, they have no sense.

They should have annual releases for people to spend on.

But the hard part is finding new features people would actually want. It's probably easier to do the development, than the finding. Microsoft has never been known for anything resembling creativity.

I think part of that problem comes from trying to develop via committee. Most good features I have seen in my time in software development start with one person coming up with the idea and programming it. Then, the committee (a very small one) reviews it and refines it. Trying to do the first process in committee rarely ever works.

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Silhouette Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:14:34pm

re: #74 jwb7605

Afghan President: U.S. Forces killed 16 civilians

(Drudge -> My Way News)

This one is on Obama.

Except the press is still spinning. Yes, the headline is technically correct, but written in a way that makes the average reader think, "Oh my goodness. We killed civilians."

Several paragraphs down you read that the US says we killed 15 terrorists, including one woman with a weapon.

But you would never see a piece with the headline "15 militants killed, US says," and then several paragraphs into the story read the first hint that others made claims that all the dead were actually civilians.

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avanti Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #80 CyanSnowHawk

I heard the context of the quote several days ago. I don't remember all of it, but O'Reilly pretty much said that Rush knew what he was saying and how it would be used in order to generate the very publicity he was getting. IIRC, Rush basically said that if Obama pushed hard to force this country into Obama's socialist ideals, Rush hoped that he failed at it.

In that context, Rush's comment is fine. I hope he fails to do "xxx" is fine and dandy.

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lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:17:16pm

re: #53 vxbush

Man, that is a HUGE list! For those unwilling to follow the link, here are the folks called into Fitzgerald's office:

Shocked that Obama's self analysis was not considered enough to end the matter. Remember in Catch-22 when Doc Daneeka was hurt that the Army hadn't been satisfied with his word on whether he was fit for military service.

"... Things couldn't have been better, then look what happened. They had to send a guy from the draft board around to look me over. I was Four-F. I had examined myself pretty thoroughly and discovered I was unfit for military service. You'd think my word would be enough, wouldn't you, since I was a doctor in good standing with my county medical society and with my local Better Business Bureau. But no, it wasn't, and they sent this guy around just to make sure I really did have one leg amputated at the hip and was helplessly bedridden with incurable rheumatoid arthritis. Yossarian, we live in an age of distrust and deteriorating spiritual values. It's a terrible thing" Doc Daneeka protested in a voice quavering with strong emotion. "It's a terrible thing when even the word of a licensed physician is suspected by the country he loves."

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jwb7605 Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:17:49pm

re: #101 Silhouette

Except the press is still spinning. Yes, the headline is technically correct, but written in a way that makes the average reader think, "Oh my goodness. We killed civilians."

Several paragraphs down you read that the US says we killed 15 terrorists, including one woman with a weapon.

But you would never see a piece with the headline "15 militants killed, US says," and then several paragraphs into the story read the first hint that others made claims that all the dead were actually civilians.

Exactly.
Which is why I said "This one is on Obama".
The press hasn't figured out that the angle needs to change if they want O to look good.

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OldLineTexan Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:18:37pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

The do use visible lasers sometimes because it lets people know they are being watched. I heard of an American psyops program that invloved nothing but a drone with a visible laser that would follow a single fighter/terrorist. All of a sudden he was very unpopular with his friends.

The same tactic is used in prisons to quell riots. Everyone around the "marked man" suddenly becomes quieter.

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OldLineTexan Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:20:03pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

They say make up sex is best.. But what about lobbyist sex? You get sex and thousands of dollars to boot...
/

It's like being a whore, except...well, I guess it's exactly like being a whore.

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lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:20:05pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

He's Catholic now.

Thank you

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Silhouette Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:21:03pm

We've covered this and covered this. There is fail and there is fail.

There were those that wished to see America fail just to make Bush look bad. They took glee at bad news in Iraq, or in the economy, or when other countries said they hated us. Their hate for Bush was easily more than their love of country. They threw parties to celebrate the death of the 2000th American troop, for pity's sake!

That is NOT what we're talking about here.

The other kind of fail is hoping that the economy and the country stay strong because the harmful policies of Obama either fail to pass or fail to have the effect he wants. THAT kind of fail.

And if Obama sends our men and women to fight somewhere, even someplace I disagree with, I hope we win.

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vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:21:31pm

re: #103 lifeofthemind

Except you seem to be suggesting that we should take Obama's word for it....

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Silhouette Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:24:31pm

re: #104 jwb7605

Exactly.
Which is why I said "This one is on Obama".
The press hasn't figured out that the angle needs to change if they want O to look good.

I've been thinking about this. My first reaction was that they would be torn between their automatic response to vilify America and their love of the O.

But lately I don't think there is a disconnect. The more they continue to vilify the military, the more "justification" Obama will have for surrender and future cuts in military spending and strength.

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lifeofthemind Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:27:06pm

re: #109 vxbush

Except you seem to be suggesting that we should take Obama's word for it....

I respect the intelligence of the people here to much to condescend to sarc tags. If you can not follow me then take a moment and relax.

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vxbush Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:31:36pm

re: #111 lifeofthemind

I respect the intelligence of the people here to much to condescend to sarc tags. If you can not follow me then take a moment and relax.

It wasn't that I didn't understand, but I wanted to make you aware that some lizards have a hard time with comprehension. I've seen it time and time again.

Alas, now I have to do chores. Rats.

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debutaunt Sun, Jan 25, 2009 12:55:47pm

re: #65 avanti

I sorted though all of it, but only truly agree with one main point. Regardless of your politics, or who's POTUS, you don't wish them to fail. I'd like to believe Rush was quoted out of context, and he probably was, but I've seen others say "I hope he fails" and don't get the logic..

Perhaps they are hoping he fails to complete his goal of socialism.

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