‘Who Has Enough Faith to Believe We Came from a Monkey?’

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This isn’t a “We Got Mail!” post, but we’ve received dozens of emails just like this one published in Louisiana’s News-Star, defending Gov. Bobby Jindal’s stealth creationist bill: Law creates pride in La.

(These are the same people who insist their agenda isn’t religious.)

I thank our legislators and governor for taking a stand for God. Our teachers will be able to teach evolution is only a theory. By teaching the option of creationism, I pray our children will realize God created them.

A Monroe attorney said it would be an economic catastrophe for Louisiana to be identified internationally as having passed anti-science legislation. He said Louisiana will suffer educational isolation and economic isolation.

If you polled Louisiana and asked everyone if they believe in God, probably over 95 percent would say yes. If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible.

The Bible says in 2 Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive my sin and will heal their land.”

If we will just do what God says, He will heal Louisiana. We will have more jobs than we have people to fill them. We need to start seeking God today. We need to start teaching our children the truth at home and in the classroom.

Let’s avoid a real economic catastrophe and put our trust in the One who really created the heavens, the earth and each one of us. It makes me proud to live in Louisiana where we have a government willing to stand for God. Who has enough faith to believe we came from a monkey?

Donnie Brown

West Monroe

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1027 comments
1 Chicken Kiev  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:32:41pm

I do!

2 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:33:08pm

Sorry, can't resist the carryover from the last thread. Everybody's Got Something To Hide (Except For Me and My Monkey)

3 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:33:15pm

Donnie's getting his 15 minutes.

4 NYCHardhat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:33:34pm

This is something that is above me. God bless America.

5 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:33:45pm

There's no easy way to explain my brother in law...

6 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:34:46pm

re: #2 Bloodnok

Brilliant merging of two threads. Bravo!

7 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:36:48pm

What pay grade?

8 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:36:59pm

Oh. My. Gawd.

By teaching the option of creationism, I pray our children will realize God created them.

Donnie, how about you teach your children that God created them? Why aren't you doing that job, Donnie? Why do you think it is the job of the state government through the Dept of Ed. to teach this to your children, Donnie?

If we will just do what God says, He will heal Louisiana. We will have more jobs than we have people to fill them.

More jobs than people to fill them? We have that now, Donnie, because our education system is in such poor shape there aren't enough educated people to fill the jobs we have, and the jobs are going somewhere where they can find the people they need.

I have no clue where these people come from.

9 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:37:08pm

This sounds eerily similar to the fatalism of another religion.

10 Wilderstad  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:37:37pm

At one time we had a common ancestor with our primate cousins. If god exists, s/he likely had a hand in it. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Donnie is simple.

11 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:37:59pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

This sounds eerily similar to the fatalism of another religion.

Shar, it does indeed, and it is very scary.

More scary, as a matter of fact, than being a Catholic these days LOL!

12 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:38:58pm

I am totally okay with "restoring science to its proper place" in this instance and a few others that come to mind.

13 Bloodnok  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:39:25pm

If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible

Um, Donnie? There are other faiths and other texts.

14 vxbush  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:39:41pm

My grandmother told me more times than I can count that when she was in school before 1915 that they had the Bible on one side of the desk and Darwin's book on the other. They learned both, and nobody had a problem with it.

That predates the legal rulings that have come down since then, but I thought it showed remarkable wisdom. Our grandparents understood the need to teach evolution. That should say something to us.

15 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:39:43pm

Some people are created in the image of G-D, others are created in the image of an ape, and still others are created in the image of Satan.

You can tell who they are by the way they behave.

16 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:39:47pm

I understand everything but why a duck.

17 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:40:34pm

I'd post the Stones 'Monkey Man' but my flash player is all fucked up...course the lyrics might offend some folks being the Stones and all...

18 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:41:23pm

"If you believe in God, you HAVE to believe in the Bible."
This is where I stop listening to these type of "Christians".

19 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:42:06pm

That would be...me.

/I'm sure the monkey is disappointed, in my case, since I don't particularly like bananas.

In fact, Darwin never said that we were "descended" from monkeys, apes, etc. He said we had a common ancestry going back millions of years. A distinct difference, and one I've yet to see any "ID" advocate or Creationist being able to comprehend. It's as simple as the difference between a Porpoise and a whale- two mammals who are descended from a single, or at most small group, of land-dwelling mammals going back farther than any of our forebears. When someone gets in my face about evolution vs. creation, I tell them to take a look at the bone structures inside a porpoise's or whale's flukes. Then ask them to explain, "Why would God create cetaceans with finger-like bone structures in their fins which are of little use to them in their present form?"

I have yet to meet one who had a reasonable answer for that question.

cheers

eon

20 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:42:12pm
I thank our legislators and governor for taking a stand for God.

Those are chilling words. Yikes.

21 gclaghorn  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:42:45pm

"Who has enough faith to believe we came from a monkey?"

*raises hand*

22 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:42:46pm

re: #17 albusteve

..."all my friends are junkies. That's not really true."

23 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:42:55pm

Please vote for the new Hamas Jew-killing mascot.

Mustafa the Maggot is still in the lead, but Spongebomb Seethepants is closing the gap.

24 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:43:16pm

You and me baby
We aint nothin' but mammals,
So let's do it like they do
On the Discovery Channel.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:43:25pm

re: #16 itellu3times

I understand everything but why a duck.

So it could drop down for your avatar and award a $1000 dollars to lucky contestants. :)

26 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:43:38pm
By teaching the option of creationism, I pray our children will realize God created them.

Yes, let's have government entities teach our children religion. What could possibly go wrong?

/

27 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:44:28pm

Its going to be like playing Whack a Mole keeping these people away from our schools' science curriculum.

28 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:44:32pm

re: #22 IslandLibertarian

..."all my friends are junkies. That's not really true."

a cold Italian pizza.....hahaha
me loves some Stones now

29 winston06  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:44:59pm
I thank our legislators and governor for taking a stand for God. Our teachers will be able to teach evolution is only a theory. By teaching the option of creationism, I pray our children will realize God created them.

How ignorant. What god?

I didn't know god needed ignorant people to defend it on earth.

30 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:45:11pm

re: #26 Occasional Reader

Yes, let's have government entities teach our children religion. What could possibly go wrong?

/

OMG, 22,000+ karma? Whoa!

31 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:45:27pm

This retired judge is a Republican, and a creationist, and he has apparently gotten involved somehow in the Texas creationist efforts as well, as he has links on his site to Texas efforts.

Bobby Jindal is not stupid, and I had a thought that perhaps his support for the bill that will allow creationism to be taught in Louisiana schools was some sort of political "pay-back" to someone who gave him a lot of support in his campaign for governor.

I thought it might be this guy, but I've been unable to make any political link between him and Jindal.

32 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:45:43pm

This is about JOBS?

33 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:00pm

re: #9 Sharmuta

This sounds eerily similar to the fatalism of another religion.

Does Donnie really want to live in a theocracy?

34 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:02pm

re: #29 winston06

How ignorant. What god?

I didn't know god needed ignorant people to defend it on earth.

Hey! A job opportunity for you!

35 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:16pm

re: #16 itellu3times

I understand everything but why a duck.


@3:39

36 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:20pm

well that just abut covers it......bring a little creationism into the class room and get jobs to boot....

37 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:46pm

re: #27 Mich-again

Its going to be like playing Whack a Mole keeping these people away from our schools' science curriculum.


we are rushing headlong back to the Dark Ages....time travel right before our very eyes....it's the new alchemy of social restructuring...govt by the pious few

38 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:50pm

Kind of like this guy. But the game never ends. Whac a Mole Champ!

39 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:46:58pm

re: #36 big steve

well that just abut covers it......bring a little creationism into the class room and get jobs to boot....

Steve, do I file this under "Hope" or "Change"?

/so confused

40 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:47:04pm

re: #31 reine.de.tout

This retired judge is a Republican, and a creationist, and he has apparently gotten involved somehow in the Texas creationist efforts as well, as he has links on his site to Texas efforts.

Bobby Jindal is not stupid, and I had a thought that perhaps his support for the bill that will allow creationism to be taught in Louisiana schools was some sort of political "pay-back" to someone who gave him a lot of support in his campaign for governor.

I thought it might be this guy, but I've been unable to make any political link between him and Jindal.

Are there sites listing campaign donations?

41 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:47:21pm

re: #18 IslandLibertarian

"If you believe in God, you HAVE to believe in the Bible."
This is where I stop listening to these type of "Christians".

I grew up with this type, and I hear this view all the time. My extended family is still upset that I no longer send the kids to the fundy gospel hall. We go to church as a family now, and are doing fine in our faith.

Evolution only in science class, all religions in world cultures/history. Easy enough.

Teach the tenets of religion at home, not in a science class, but, please remember that now all people of faith are represented by this guy, and, and here is the big one, MORE Christians denounce this type of stuff than go along with it...we are not akin to that other religion that has been hijacked by the small minority, even though this thread will eventually devolve into that argument.

This man is wrong.

42 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:47:25pm

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43 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:47:54pm

re: #37 albusteve

we are rushing headlong back to the Dark Ages....time travel right before our very eyes....it's the new alchemy of social restructuring...govt by the pious few

Obama worship is in full swing. By definition, a violation of a Commandment. So we ain't there yet...

44 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:48:01pm

re: #40 MandyManners

Are there sites listing campaign donations?

I checked but could find nothing.
doesn't mean it isn't there, just means I could not find anything in the time I had.

45 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:48:11pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Does Donnie really want to live in a theocracy?

Apparently, yes.

46 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:49:06pm

Remember the song "I Want a New Drug?" Well I want a new party, one that believes the United States should be protected, one that believes that markets do correct, one believes that science is the key to our strength and one that stops making religion a yardstick to below.

47 drogheda  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:49:15pm

Forget it, Donnie, you're out of your element!

48 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:49:26pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

Apparently, yes.

As long as it's theocracy Donnie approves of.

49 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:49:32pm

re: #43 OldLineTexan

Obama worship is in full swing. By definition, a violation of a Commandment. So we ain't there yet...


he's the new Pope

50 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:49:42pm

re: #39 OldLineTexan

Steve, do I file this under "Hope" or "Change"?

/so confused

Hope and change circa 1300's

51 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:49:58pm

Lucy was kind of like a monkey!
And nobody cares.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

52 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:50:02pm

re: #48 reine.de.tout

As long as it's theocracy Donnie approves of.

That's the ticklish bit, isn't it?

53 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:50:03pm

re: #35 swamprat

@3:39

Seeing if time-specific links work...

54 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:50:07pm

re: #32 Naso Tang

This is about JOBS?

Well, sure. The Bible has a whole Book of Job. Must be a connection there somewhere.

55 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:50:30pm

re: #49 albusteve

he's the new Pope

Obama is way more in charge than the Pope.

56 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:50:42pm

re: #41 Stonemason

I grew up with this type, and I hear this view all the time. My extended family is still upset that I no longer send the kids to the fundy gospel hall. We go to church as a family now, and are doing fine in our faith.

Evolution only in science class, all religions in world cultures/history. Easy enough.

Teach the tenets of religion at home, not in a science class, but, please remember that NOT all people of faith are represented by this guy, and, and here is the big one, MORE Christians denounce this type of stuff than go along with it...we are not akin to that other religion that has been hijacked by the small minority, even though this thread will eventually devolve into that argument.

This man is wrong.

PIMF...sheesh

57 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:51:37pm

re: #53 Abu Al-Poopypants

Seeing if time-specific links work...

Nope.

/Paging Stinky...

58 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:52:08pm

re: #55 OldLineTexan

Obama is way more in charge than the Pope.

right...no shit...it's a whole new elevation that hasn't even been named yet...

59 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:52:24pm

Does Charles let emailers know, if they provide a valid address, that they are about to become famous?

60 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:53:05pm

re: #59 Naso Tang

Does Charles let emailers know, if they provide a valid address, that they are about to become famous?

Huh?

61 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:53:43pm

re: #50 big steve

Hope and change circa 1300's

/grumble

I hate getting out the time machine just to put away news clippings.

62 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:53:49pm

re: #59 Naso Tang

Does Charles let emailers know, if they provide a valid address, that they are about to become famous?

He tells ya when you are at the contact form:

Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.

but this wasn't an e-mail - I think it was a letter to a paper.

63 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:53:53pm

re: #48 reine.de.tout

As long as it's theocracy Donnie approves of.

And I bet Donnie has his own Old Testament version of Sharia law as well.

64 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:53:58pm

Kind of OT....but maybe not....

New Pink Lizard Found on Galapagos.....
Scientists reported this week that they have documented a new species, the "iguana rosada." The big, pink lizard was found on the Galapagos Islands. Although the species is believed to date back more than 5 million years, Charles Darwin missed it when he studied the islands in 1835. His work there led to his theory of evolution.

65 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:54:02pm
66 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:54:08pm

Didn't this guy star in a movie recently? Let's see...what was it's name...oh; that's right!

Donnie Darkbrain!

67 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:03pm

re: #66 Salamantis

Didn't this guy star in a movie recently? Let's see...what was it's name...oh; that's right!

Donnie Darkbrain!

Donnie Nobrain.
Product of Louisiana schools.
And wondering why businesses do not locate here.

68 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:03pm
Who has enough faith to believe we came from a monkey?

What takes greater "Faith", that we came from a monkey, or that we came from no monkey?

69 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:11pm

re: #59 Naso Tang

Does Charles let emailers know, if they provide a valid address, that they are about to become famous?

This wasn't an e-mail.

70 eon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:55:17pm

Well, I have to hit the sack. Invoking Eon's Rule; When you think you are too tired to post coherently, you are too tired to post, period.

And I had to retype that sentence twice, and this one once.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

71 winston06  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:56:30pm

re: #34 OldLineTexan

i have more important stuff to do in my life than defending a non existent entity

72 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:56:39pm
73 saberry0530  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:56:41pm

re: #16 itellu3times

I understand everything but why a duck.

So when you are drunk at the Generals pond at MCLB in Albany, GA, you can feed the ducks all the extra hot dog and hamburger buns that you soaked in beer. Then you get to watch them swim sideways and in circles!

74 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:57:30pm

re: #65 ploome hineni

Charles

scary stuff going on

Can some one set up computers out side of parliament and let in run on a loop? It isn't that long, and as I understand it, Britain still has free expression laws. Of course the computer and owner would be at risk, but if enough people got involved...it could be a movement.

75 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:58:04pm

re: #71 winston06

i have more important stuff to do in my life than defending a non existent entity

My mother once said; "if there is a God, we have about as much chance in understanding him, than a cat does calculus."

76 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:58:35pm

re: #72 ploome hineni

hiya touts

have you noticed how contentious everyone was today?

:D

What kind of comment is that?

77 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:58:41pm

re: #72 ploome hineni

hiya touts

have you noticed how contentious everyone was today?

:D

Yes.
I did, indeed LOL!
Part of life, sometimes it happens, sometimes you gotta grit your teeth and move along.

You owe me a manicure.
Or not, maybe.
check your e-mails.

78 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:59:51pm

Dear Donnie Brown,

Jesus also said "with God, all things are possible", and I agree with Him. This means I accept the veracity of evolution and my faith in God and Jesus is just as strong because in the mechanism of evolution, I see brilliance. What an incredible way for God's creation to grow and, yes, evolve into the incredible world we find ourselves in today. Evolution takes nothing away from my understanding of God- it adds to it, as does all of science. But you would have me believe that God cannot work this way. If you're correct, then is Jesus wrong and a liar? I don't think so. I think it is your weak faith and narrow mindedness that is wrong. You should be ashamed to be encouraging ignorance, but I know you won't be.

Sincerely, Sharmuta

79 pjaicomo  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:59:55pm

Can't argue with that logic. Its the classic 700 club.

80 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 6:59:57pm

re: #60 spirochete

Huh?

Huh? Shall I explain or would you like to think before posting?

81 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:00:31pm

re: #72 ploome hineni

hiya touts

have you noticed how contentious everyone was today?

:D

Come back to before.

82 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:00:48pm
83 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:00:53pm

And you got the Bible verse wrong, Donnie:

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

THEIR sin, Donnie; not MY sin. The alleged speaker, being purportedly a deity, would also have been supposedly sinless.

And it's which, not who.

84 pfbatt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:01:03pm

Just Damn!

85 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:01:07pm

re: #80 Naso Tang

Huh? Shall I explain or would you like to think before posting?

How does Charles know if someone is going to become famous? I have never heard that question here before.

86 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:01:35pm

AAARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH. Not again.

87 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:01:56pm

re: #86 MandyManners

AAARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH. Not again.

Fraid so...

88 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:02:26pm
89 William_Ryan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:02:45pm

I'm certainly not taking the creationist side of the argument, but there's a huge gaping whole in the guy's logic.

"If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible." Huh? Lots of Muslims for instance believe in God but sure don't believe in the Bible. Same with Jews. Same with many Christians like myself who think a lot of the Bible is pure hoooey. I missed the memo about having to believe in the Bible to believe in God, so did a whole buttload of other people.

Additionally, I don't believe we came from Monkeys per say. But I guess it's pedantic of me to distinguish between Monkeys and Apes, the latter of which we certainly are. I believe we share a common ancestor with Chimpanzees. Just watching them for a few hours is enough to make one conclude that if we are wholly unrelated to them, there sure are a lot of amazing coincidences. I don't pretend to be a geneticist or have firsthand knowledge of the subject, but from what I've read, those in the know on the matter sure seem to think the DNA evidence is pretty clear that a few million years back, Humans and Chimps did share a common ancestor. That's a far cry from descending from a Monkey but still more than many creationists want to believe.

I'm as Christian as the next guy but some day someone is going to have to explain to me why I can't believe in God and Evolution. I've studied both and have yet to come across any contradictions. I guess I've been looking in the wrong places ;-)

90 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:02:57pm

Early off topic:
Did anyone else see the Fox News scens from Pakistan of the angry demonstrators?
Seems I recognized "Rage Boy,'' but he's aged somewhat.
He likes to have the front spot where the camera is.
Modern-day version of Matthew 6: 1 and 2.

91 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:08pm

re: #87 Dustyvet

Fraid so...

my mood is typically cheery and I have no beef with anyone...so fuck off!

92 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:08pm

re: #62 reine.de.tout

but this wasn't an e-mail - I think it was a letter to a paper.

Ah, yes. I went straight to the nitty gritty. Charles' comments alone are not as interesting as the information he presents.

*ducks*

93 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:27pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

What an incredible way for God's creation to grow and, yes, evolve into the incredible world we find ourselves in today

Not to be ornery... well, okay, YES to be ornery... but I actually find that argument theologically questionable.

Why would an allegedly omniscient/omnipotent being need a "process" of some sort to make his creation mo' better?

94 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:42pm

re: #82 ploome hineni


Sorry.

What kind of an observation was that?

Much better!

95 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:46pm

re: #88 ploome hineni

nothing there

check again!
I resent. Read in order.

96 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:03:46pm

re: #64 Inquisitive

Kind of OT....but maybe not....

New Pink Lizard Found on Galapagos.....
Scientists reported this week that they have documented a new species, the "iguana rosada." The big, pink lizard was found on the Galapagos Islands. Although the species is believed to date back more than 5 million years, Charles Darwin missed it when he studied the islands in 1835. His work there led to his theory of evolution.

Darwin never went to the island that the Pink Iguanas were recently found on. They are only found on that specific island. To say Darwin "missed" them presupposes he was looking for them - which he wasn't because he never went there.

Just sayin'.

97 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:04:34pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

Dear Donnie Brown,

Jesus also said "with God, all things are possible", and I agree with Him. This means I accept the veracity of evolution and my faith in God and Jesus is just as strong because in the mechanism of evolution, I see brilliance. What an incredible way for God's creation to grow and, yes, evolve into the incredible world we find ourselves in today. Evolution takes nothing away from my understanding of God- it adds to it, as does all of science. But you would have me believe that God cannot work this way. If you're correct, then is Jesus wrong and a liar? I don't think so. I think it is your weak faith and narrow mindedness that is wrong. You should be ashamed to be encouraging ignorance, but I know you won't be.

Sincerely, Sharmuta

Nicely said....even an atheist like me can upding you that.

98 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:04:57pm

re: #91 albusteve

my mood is typically cheery and I have no beef with anyone...so fuck off!

That was not directed at you, so take your F***off and shove it.

99 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #93 Occasional Reader

Why would an allegedly omniscient/omnipotent being need a "process" of some sort to make his creation mo' better?

Maybe the supreme being is into intelligence testing.

100 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:05:26pm

re: #64 Inquisitive

Kind of OT....but maybe not....

New Pink Lizard Found on Galapagos.....
Scientists reported this week that they have documented a new species, the "iguana rosada." The big, pink lizard was found on the Galapagos Islands.


Should have used sunscreen.

101 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:05:57pm

re: #98 Dustyvet

That was not directed at you, so take your F***off and shove it.

I was being sarcastic...I really am cheery :)

102 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:45pm

re: #96 Bobibutu

Darwin never went to the island that the Pink Iguanas were recently found on. They are only found on that specific island. To say Darwin "missed" them presupposes he was looking for them - which he wasn't because he never went there.

Just sayin'.

So....the article is wrong ?

103 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:46pm

re: #71 winston06

i have more important stuff to do in my life than defending a non existent entity

Hey, money is money. And if G/god doesn't exist, but the checks cash, may as well defend Him/Her/It/Them, right?

You're a little wary of G/god for an atheist. Are you sure you're not just a wimpy Agnostic?

/

104 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:06:48pm
105 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:06pm

I don't care so much whether we came from monkeys but rather that we're going to the dogs.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:08pm

re: #91 albusteve

my mood is typically cheery and I have no beef with anyone...so fuck off!

re: #98 Dustyvet

That was not directed at you, so take your F***off and shove it.

Fuck the both of ya'.

107 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:08pm

re: #96 Bobibutu

Darwin never went to the island that the Pink Iguanas were recently found on. They are only found on that specific island. To say Darwin "missed" them presupposes he was looking for them - which he wasn't because he never went there.

Just sayin'.


Another evolutionary flaw.

108 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #93 Occasional Reader

Not to be ornery... well, okay, YES to be ornery... but I actually find that argument theologically questionable.

Why would an allegedly omniscient/omnipotent being need a "process" of some sort to make his creation mo' better?

Its a deistic argument.....that God can and does occasionally just set something in motion.

109 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:18pm

re: #100 Abu Al-Poopypants

Should have used sunscreen.

I'm kind of amazed they could have missed any species of anything in the Galapagos all these years. Those islands have probably been more thoroughly studied by naturalists than any other patch of earth on the planet.

110 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:07:19pm

re: #101 albusteve

I was being sarcastic...I really am cheery :)

soawry...going to corner and putting on Dunce Hat...

111 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:08:16pm
112 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Fuck the both of ya'.

Dusty has just fainted...

113 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:08:28pm

re: #110 Dustyvet

soawry...going to corner and putting on Dunce Hat...

dont...I'm just goofin on the contentious thing...

114 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:08:29pm

re: #102 Inquisitive

So....the article is wrong ?

No - misleading.

115 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:04pm

re: #113 albusteve

dont...I'm just goofin on the contentious thing...

Okays...:)

116 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:20pm

I posted this last night. Interesting video series on Evolution:

How Evolution Is Scientific Part 1: Observational Data

117 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:41pm

re: #108 big steve

Its a deistic argument.....that God can and does occasionally just set something in motion.

Yes, I realize that. But I find deistic arguments impossible to reconcile with an omniscient deity.

118 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:51pm

re: #109 Occasional Reader

I'm kind of amazed they could have missed any species of anything in the Galapagos all these years. Those islands have probably been more thoroughly studied by naturalists than any other patch of earth on the planet.

Pink lizards evolved an advanced ability to hide, due to their embarrassment about being pink and all.

119 Opinionated  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:09:58pm

re: #111 ploome hineni

everyone seemed to be PISSED OFF

It's change! Get used to it.

120 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:10pm

Hello? *hand raised in the back pew*

"Um, how does Charles know when someone is going to be famous? Did I miss something?"

121 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:11pm

re: #89 William_Ryan

You called the Bible "hoooey"? Why, I oughta' burn a car or something.

122 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:30pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Fuck the both of ya'.

I have never been on a thread with a three-way before.

/popcorn

123 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:42pm

re: #121 MandyManners

Hi Mandy.

124 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:10:58pm

re: #121 MandyManners

You called the Bible "hoooey"? Why, I oughta' burn a car or something.

Handing Mandy a brick...

125 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:11:00pm

re: #118 Abu Al-Poopypants

Pink lizards evolved an advanced ability to hide, due to their embarrassment about being pink and all.

Really? I thought they sounded kind of flamboyant...

126 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:11:01pm

re: #93 Occasional Reader

Not to be ornery... well, okay, YES to be ornery... but I actually find that argument theologically questionable.

Why would an allegedly omniscient/omnipotent being need a "process" of some sort to make his creation mo' better?

Perhaps because God is bound by the physical laws of the Universe? The universe is set just so, and if certain things were not just so, life in this universe wouldn't be possible. For example- nuclear fusion.

127 saberry0530  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:11:28pm

re: #122 OldLineTexan

I have never been on a thread with a three-way before.

/popcorn

Is that something that you can post on youtube?

128 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:11:43pm

re: #118 Abu Al-Poopypants

Pink Lizards = chicks?
Blue Lizards = dudes?

129 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:12:18pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Perhaps because God is bound by the physical laws of the Universe?

Then he's not omnipotent, by definition.

130 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:12:19pm

FAK
OR beat me to it.

131 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:12:38pm

What made hoooey in the first place? Probably the same force that made slime, or monkeys.

132 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:10pm

re: #127 saberry0530

Is that something that you can post on youtube?

I use it, but I don't have an account.

133 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:12pm
If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible.

Technically speaking no.....if you go to the core, to be a Christian only requires one thing, that you believe that Jesus was the son of God. Period.

There is a dramatic revolution in this thought by the way, one that doesn't strike us now because we have lived with it for so long. What Jesus really taught, that was an extreme departure from Judaism is that one can internalize God...have a personal relationship and that is all it takes. Prior to that in the Torah/old testament God required outward visible acknowledgment (fatted calfs, no pork, etc)

134 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:19pm

God can do anything and is bound by nothing

135 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:20pm

re: #122 OldLineTexan

I have never been on a thread with a three-way before.

/popcorn

It's been one of those kinds of days today, seems like.

136 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:21pm

re: #130 WriterMom

FAK
OR beat me to it.

Which? Who? Where?

137 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:37pm

re: #131 jaunte

What made hoooey in the first place? Probably the same force that made slime, or monkeys.

Don't bats leave hooey at the bottom of their cave?

138 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:13:39pm

re: #123 WriterMom

Hi Mandy.

'Sup?

139 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:14:09pm

re: #137 mean Gene

I've been kept in the dark on that one.

140 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:14:12pm

re: #124 Dustyvet

Handing Mandy a brick...

It's me! It's me! It's Achmed T.!

141 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:14:46pm

re: #128 WriterMom

Pink Lizards = chicks?
Blue Lizards = dudes?

Purple Lizards?

142 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:14:52pm

re: #106 MandyManners

Fuck the both of ya'.

If ya Whack 'em Mandy they may stop....

143 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:15:17pm

re: #140 MandyManners

It's me! It's me! It's Achmed T.!

*Cackle*

144 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:15:54pm

re: #136 Occasional Reader

Pink lizards...I'm reading the thread backwards. Nevermind nevermind.

145 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:15:59pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

Perhaps because God is bound by the physical laws of the Universe? The universe is set just so, and if certain things were not just so, life in this universe wouldn't be possible. For example- nuclear fusion.

What about Gods abilities in other universes? Are they universe specific? How is an omniscient - omnipresent - entity bound by anything?

146 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:16:00pm

re: #93 Occasional Reader

Not to be ornery... well, okay, YES to be ornery... but I actually find that argument theologically questionable.

Why would an allegedly omniscient/omnipotent being need a "process" of some sort to make his creation mo' better?


Maybe because conditions can and would change and the creations would have to adapt or perish. Ask any T-tex.

147 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:16:21pm

I dunno why these creationists have such a hard time believing in evolution.

I mean, it's pretty obvious. It's almost like looking in a mirror.

148 x-wing  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:16:33pm

re: #141 MandyManners

Purple Lizards?

Flying Lizards?

149 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:16:38pm

re: #129 Occasional Reader

I don't know. You asked a question, and I tried to give an intelligent answer.

re: #134 phoenixgirl

God can do anything and is bound by nothing

Is He bound to the laws of His own design? Bound to His own rules? His own word?

150 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:00pm

re: #138 MandyManners

I'm chillin'

Kids sleepsville.

151 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:04pm

re: #134 phoenixgirl

God can do anything and is bound by nothing

all that power and he cares so much what little old us on planet Earth think of him....that seems a little needy to me.

152 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:20pm

re: #146 VioletTiger

Maybe because conditions can and would change and the creations would have to adapt or perish. Ask any T-tex.


Well, that makes God sound a kid playing with an ant farm, to be frank.

153 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:26pm

re: #127 saberry0530

Is that something that you can post on youtube?

not without talking to my agent first....

154 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:17:34pm

re: #135 reine.de.tout

It's been one of those kinds of days today, seems like.

It's teh Interwebs. It's for the amusement and the learning. Every time I get emotionally involved, I learn that it is a mistake. Today? No big deal. But then, I am a sarcastic lightweight smartass.

155 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:05pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

no, he can do anything...

156 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:24pm

re: #145 Bobibutu

What about Gods abilities in other universes? Are they universe specific? How is an omniscient - omnipresent - entity bound by anything?

What if there's a Bizarro God?!

157 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:32pm
Is He bound to the laws of His own design? Bound to His own rules? His own word?

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

158 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:39pm

re: #151 big steve

Luckily, if G-d has issues, He doesn't need a shrink. He can be His own Shrink.

159 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:45pm

To me the biggest problem with prevailing wisdom about evolution is whether the physical changes that happen over time to a species are the result of beneficial random mutations or are they just creatures adapting to changing environments. I don't believe much in random. I think outside human behavior things happen for a reason.

160 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:46pm

re: #153 albusteve

not without talking to my agent first....

Wonder what it would cost to get Brad Pitt as a stand in...:)

161 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:51pm

re: #155 phoenixgirl

He can break His own promises?

162 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:18:59pm

re: #146 VioletTiger

Maybe because conditions can and would change and the creations would have to adapt or perish. Ask any T-tex.

But Steve Took choked on a cherry pit and Marc Bolan was in a MiniCooper when it hit a tree, so we can't.

163 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:12pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

But then, I am a sarcastic lightweight smartass.

well I don't need any more convincing.....thanks for clearing that up for us.

164 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:13pm

re: #134 phoenixgirl

God can do anything and is bound by nothing

The question though is, when he does and when he doesn't.

165 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:14pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

Don't look at me... I'm an atheist.

166 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:26pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

You had me at lightweight, sarcastic smartass.

167 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:26pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

I don't know. You asked a question, and I tried to give an intelligent answer.

re: #134 phoenixgirl

Is He bound to the laws of His own design? Bound to His own rules? His own word?

How can He be? He is not a part of His creation and therefore not bound by it.

168 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:29pm

"And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

Firstly in spirit and soul. While contemplating likeness, evolution happens.
Or, not.
(Trying to cover all bases)

169 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:35pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

What if there's a Bizarro God?!

I think that's already been done.

See: Koran, The

170 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:39pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

Not if He gets Himself one o' them there good Jewish lawyers.

171 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:43pm

re: #147 Abu Al-Poopypants

I dunno why these creationists have such a hard time believing in evolution.

I mean, it's pretty obvious. It's almost like looking in a mirror.

When you asked for my baby photos, you did not ask for permission to publish them.

172 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #150 WriterMom

I'm chillin'

Kids sleepsville.

So's mine.

173 WriterMom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:09pm

re: #165 Occasional Reader

Thank G-d for that...

174 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:21pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

sharm......think about miracles they break "natural law"

175 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:22pm
176 looking closely  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:20:57pm

To be clear, evolution doesn't teach than man came from monkeys, only that man and monkeys shared some common ancestor.

(If anything, man is a particular variety of hairless ape, not a monkey).

177 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:01pm

re: #167 Bobibutu

How can He be? He is not a part of His creation and therefore not bound by it.

But we've had Christians tell us He is a part of His creation. He holds it up. That's what they say....

178 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:06pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

He can break His own promises?

Well, thinking about why one would ask that question; presumably it would be along the lines of, "the reason that God could not intervene to save the T. Rex from extinction after that comet strike deal was because he had made a promise (to whom? The trilobites?) not to do so."

But if he didn't see the whole comet-strike thing coming... he's not omnisicent.

179 zombie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:08pm

From the post at the top:

If you polled Louisiana and asked everyone if they believe in God, probably over 95 percent would say yes. If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible.

Notice the fundamental flaw in the logic of this passage. "If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible." Oh -- really? They slipped that one in there, as if it was a side issue.

But of course it rests at the heart of the problem. Because if 1600 years of history have taught us anything, you don't have to "believe in the Bible" if you believe in God. It is not a prerequisite.

Because once you establish that requirement, then you necessarily must take the next step down the path of religious totalitarianism -- i.e. who determines what the Bible actually means or stands for? Some authority figure? Whoever it is, assumes control of society.

The Bible is not just one book, it is many books, with many different messages. Some of them wonderful, some of them creepy, but most importantly, many of the in contradiction to each other. Christians are told to "pray in the closet" and also to go out and evangelize. They are told to place God above even family, and also to value one's parents above all else. Etc. etc. (Cain's wife -- you know the drill.) And we all know that the Bible can be and has been interpreted to justify any number of heinous acts and social evils.

Take great fear when someone tells you that you "must" believe in the Bible, and then goes on to tell you what the Bible means.

180 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:12pm

re: #169 lobo91

I think that's already been done.

See: Koran, The

oh excellent!

181 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:13pm

re: #163 big steve

well I don't need any more convincing.....thanks for clearing that up for us.

I know my limitations.

182 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:23pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

What if there's a Bizarro God?!

It's turtles all the way down.

/

183 mean Gene  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:32pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

He is utterly bound by His promises so, since a law is lower than a promise, I'd say, yes, He is.

184 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:21:43pm

re: #166 WriterMom

You had me at lightweight, sarcastic smartass.

You I like.

185 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:22:07pm

re: #171 OldLineTexan

When you asked for my baby photos, you did not ask for permission to publish them.

I didn't think that shirt looked familiar.
Your folks and mine must've had a mix-up at the Fotomat.

186 zombie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:22:10pm

many of the in = many of them in

187 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:22:40pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

It's teh Interwebs. It's for the amusement and the learning. Every time I get emotionally involved, I learn that it is a mistake. Today? No big deal. But then, I am a sarcastic lightweight smartass.

You are correct.
It is indeed a mistake to get emotionally involved.
Not much point to get emotionally involved with people who you do not know and most of whom you will never meet.

Plus you start to say things that might be ban-worthy.

188 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

In simple logic, only as long as the law is not changed.

189 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:10pm

re: #174 phoenixgirl

Can God break His own covenants?

190 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:31pm
191 unclassifiable  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:33pm

re: #154 OldLineTexan

It's teh Interwebs. It's for the amusement and the learning. Every time I get emotionally involved, I learn that it is a mistake. Today? No big deal. But then, I am a sarcastic lightweight smartass.

I have to remember that for myself from time to time.

192 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:48pm

re: #168 solomonpanting

You realize that passage is before the part in Genesis in which G* allegedly removes a rib from Adam to form Eve.

193 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:49pm

re: #176 looking closely

To be clear, evolution doesn't teach than man came from monkeys, only that man and monkeys shared some common ancestor.

(If anything, man is a particular variety of hairless ape, not a monkey).

Many people incorrectly assume evolution to be a ladder. It is not. It is more like a very large tree with many many branches.

194 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:23:55pm

re: #185 Abu Al-Poopypants

I didn't think that shirt looked familiar.
Your folks and mine must've had a mix-up at the Fotomat.

That actually happened more than once.

I was a cute lil' booger, wasn't I? And all that hair!

195 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #189 Sharmuta

Here is Calvin's view:
"For God's will is so much the highest rule of righteousness that whatever He wills, by the very fact that He wills it, must be considered righteous. When, therefore, one asks why God has so willed you are seeking something greater and higher than God's will, which cannot be found."

196 Summer Seale  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:21pm

re: #179 zombie

From the post at the top:

Notice the fundamental flaw in the logic of this passage. "If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible." Oh -- really? They slipped that one in there, as if it was a side issue.

But of course it rests at the heart of the problem. Because if 1600 years of history have taught us anything, you don't have to "believe in the Bible" if you believe in God. It is not a prerequisite.

Because once you establish that requirement, then you necessarily must take the next step down the path of religious totalitarianism -- i.e. who determines what the Bible actually means or stands for? Some authority figure? Whoever it is, assumes control of society.

The Bible is not just one book, it is many books, with many different messages. Some of them wonderful, some of them creepy, but most importantly, many of the in contradiction to each other. Christians are told to "pray in the closet" and also to go out and evangelize. They are told to place God above even family, and also to value one's parents above all else. Etc. etc. (Cain's wife -- you know the drill.) And we all know that the Bible can be and has been interpreted to justify any number of heinous acts and social evils.

Take great fear when someone tells you that you "must" believe in the Bible, and then goes on to tell you what the Bible means.

Even just ignoring all other faiths for a moment, I'm guessing that a lot of Christians are scratching their heads and asking "Okay, sure...but what interpretation? Catholic? Protestant? Anglican? Calvinist? Baptist?...." the list goes on.

Basically, this guy is an idiot.

197 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #189 Sharmuta

Can God break His own covenants?

can he? yes. will he? i don't know. all i know is God can do whatever He wants....He's God

198 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:41pm

re: #194 OldLineTexan

That actually happened more than once.

I was a cute lil' booger, wasn't I? And all that hair!

And the ten gallon hat is a hoot!...:)

199 zombie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #190 ploome hineni

you are wrong

ploome, you are accurate when you point out the wrongness of that statement (i.e. the one in comment #133.)

200 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:24:45pm

Science teachers aren''t qualified to teach religion!

201 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:25:00pm

re: #190 ploome hineni

you are wrong

often....but not about this.

202 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:25:33pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

But we've had Christians tell us He is a part of His creation. He holds it up. That's what they say....

Yeah - well - who ya gonna believe?

If I create a soap bubble - am I bound by it? Am I part of the soap bubble?

203 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:01pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

We need a theologian here to answer that one.

Somebody a few days ago gave an explanation something like the following. This person said he believed that:

God created us, and he created the universe and the processes by which our world and the universe operate.

But He pretty much stays out of the day-to-day details.

204 maddogg  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:02pm

Speaking of monkeys, Cheeta (remember Tarzan?) is still alive and kicking.

205 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:05pm

re: #196 Summer

Basically, this guy is an idiot.

I think you just pretty well summed the whole thing up.

Okay, time for a new thread.

206 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:07pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

What if there's a Bizarro God?!

Then the HADRON collider will reveal it.

207 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:26:41pm

re: #189 Sharmuta

Can God break His own covenants?

You repeat the question. Can you break yours? Take the Mormons as an example, god has changed his mind many times. That's what omnipotence means.

208 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:09pm

re: #134 phoenixgirl

Says so right on the label.

209 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:22pm

re: #152 Occasional Reader

Well, that makes God sound a kid playing with an ant farm, to be frank.


If you can believe that God made the world in 7 days, why is it hard to believe that he set in motion the process that would result in us? Wouldn't it be just as amazing to think that maybe we humans were destined to be just by the nature of the smallest sub-atomic particle?

If you have a field of dominos in an intricate pattern and somebody can come and knock them down all at once, tha would be really something. But wouldn't you be amazed if somebody could tip one domino and have them all fall but one-by-one instead? That is how I see evolution.

210 nyc redneck  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:37pm

re: #144 WriterMom

Pink lizards...I'm reading the thread backwards. Nevermind nevermind.

sometimes, i walk up hill backwards.

211 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:27:49pm

re: #192 Mich-again

Thank you.

212 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:28:01pm

re: #197 phoenixgirl

can he? yes. will he? i don't know. all i know is God can do whatever He wants....He's God

how does anyone know his gender...or is that just a matter of convenience?...why does God have to make promises?...sounds a little too human for me...if he's God then why cant he be imperfect by human standards...he's God

213 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:28:43pm

re: #197 phoenixgirl

can he? yes. will he? i don't know. all i know is God can do whatever He wants....He's God

But he'll have to ask Obama 1st. After all, Obama WON!

214 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:08pm

re: #179 zombie

. . . The Bible is not just one book, it is many books, with many different messages. Some of them wonderful, some of them creepy, but most importantly, many of the in contradiction to each other. Christians are told to "pray in the closet" and also to go out and evangelize. They are told to place God above even family, and also to value one's parents above all else. Etc. etc. (Cain's wife -- you know the drill.) And we all know that the Bible can be and has been interpreted to justify any number of heinous acts and social evils.

Take great fear when someone tells you that you "must" believe in the Bible, and then goes on to tell you what the Bible means.

The kind of person Donnie is will pick and choose which parts they need to justify whatever point they are trying to make at the moment.

215 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:32pm

Good evening.

The market futures are pointing down yet again for the morning open.

Look for another bad week and probably a record 6th consecutive bad quarter for the S&P.

It is becoming more and more obvious that the banking system problems are even bigger than had been feared. Estimates now are nearing the $3 trillion range just to deal with the toxic securities.

Right now these securities are being valued "mark to market" at about 20 cents on the dollar. If the SEC would do away with that valuation model and instead go with net present value of expected cash flows, they would probably be worth more like 60 cents on the dollar, and the size of the problem to be dealt with would shrink by 50%.

But that would be to logical.

216 Summer Seale  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:56pm

re: #205 lobo91

I think you just pretty well summed the whole thing up.

Okay, time for a new thread.

Thank you. =)

217 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:29:57pm

re: #204 maddogg

Speaking of monkeys, Cheeta (remember Tarzan?) is still alive and kicking.

75...wow...

218 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:30:03pm

re: #209 VioletTiger

If you can believe that God made the world in 7 days

Er, I don't. (And I think it's generally referred to as 6 days.)

why is it hard to believe that he set in motion the process that would result in us?

Well, the "process" involved the extinction of over 90% of species that have existed on this planet, over time. Seems like a lot of collateral damage.

219 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:30:08pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

We need a theologian here to answer that one.

Somebody a few days ago gave an explanation something like the following. This person said he believed that:

God created us, and he created the universe and the processes by which our world and the universe operate.

But He pretty much stays out of the day-to-day details.

That's pretty much my view, as well.

It's interesting to note that that's 180 degrees opposite of the Muslim view, though, which goes a long way toward explaining why there have been so few Muslim Nobel Prize winners in science.

If you believe that there are no natural laws, and that God literally causes every last tiny thing to happen, science doesn't work too well for you.

220 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:30:51pm

re: #215 3 wood

What is the SEC waiting for? (cui bono?)

221 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:04pm

re: #204 maddogg

Speaking of monkeys, Cheeta (remember Tarzan?) is still alive and kicking.

re: #217 Dustyvet

75...wow...

Shows what clean living will do for you. He didn't monkey around much !

222 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:13pm

re: #90 mean Gene

Early off topic:
Did anyone else see the Fox News scens from Pakistan of the angry demonstrators?
Seems I recognized "Rage Boy,'' but he's aged somewhat.
He likes to have the front spot where the camera is.
Modern-day version of Matthew 6: 1 and 2.

"Rage Middle-Aged Man"?

223 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:26pm

re: #212 albusteve

how does anyone know his gender...or is that just a matter of convenience?...why does God have to make promises?...sounds a little too human for me...if he's God then why cant he be imperfect by human standards...he's God

i just go by the pictures /

224 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:42pm

re: #220 jaunte

(cui bono?)

You think U2 is behind this?

225 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:31:56pm

re: #220 jaunte

What is the SEC waiting for? (cui bono?)

They're the SEC ,,, a GOV'T entity ,,, Nuff said !

226 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:09pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Lol.

227 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:19pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?


Believing God's Promises

228 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:25pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

Shows what clean living will do for you. He didn't monkey around much !

Last time I saw him, he was being allowed to drink beer and smoke cigars, he's also good at playing poker...

229 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:33pm

re: #218 Occasional Reader

So he finished a day ahead of schedule and under budget.
Obviously not a public-sector project.

230 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:32:41pm

re: #223 phoenixgirl

i just go by the pictures /

good answer...me too...while others discuss theology I read Mad Magazine and wait for guns and football

231 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:33:00pm

re: #228 Dustyvet

Last time I saw him, he was being allowed to drink beer and smoke cigars, he's also good at playing poker...

he wouldn't have a chance against those dogs in the velvet paintings ! (they cheat, ya know! )

232 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:33:31pm

re: #219 lobo91


It's interesting to note that that's 180 degrees opposite of the Muslim view, though, which goes a long way toward explaining why there have been so few Muslim Nobel Prize winners in science.

That is an interesting observation. Back in the middle ages, the Islamic world really carried the water for math and science. Much of what the Greeks and others had come up with was retained, refined, and advanced by Muslims. Back then it wasn't against their religion to try to understand the mechanism of nature. Wonder what changed?

233 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:34:17pm

re: #179 zombie


Take great fear when someone tells you that you "must" believe in the Bible, and then goes on to tell you what the Bible means.

Exact parallel in Islam - all must believe in the Koran the local imman tells his local flock what it means.

234 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:34:24pm

re: #232 big steve

That is an interesting observation. Back in the middle ages, the Islamic world really carried the water for math and science. Much of what the Greeks and others had come up with was retained, refined, and advanced by Muslims. Back then it wasn't against their religion to try to understand the mechanism of nature. Wonder what changed?

cell phones...and oil.

235 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:34:30pm
236 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:34:33pm

re: #215 3 wood

Good evening.

The market futures are pointing down yet again for the morning open.

Look for another bad week and probably a record 6th consecutive bad quarter for the S&P.

It is becoming more and more obvious that the banking system problems are even bigger than had been feared. Estimates now are nearing the $3 trillion range just to deal with the toxic securities.

Right now these securities are being valued "mark to market" at about 20 cents on the dollar. If the SEC would do away with that valuation model and instead go with net present value of expected cash flows, they would probably be worth more like 60 cents on the dollar, and the size of the problem to be dealt with would shrink by 50%.

But that would be to logical.

You have been saying this for some time now, can you explain it a little more, for those of us with simple econ I/II backgrounds?

And will this help e re-fi in the near future?

237 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:35:24pm
Who has enough faith to believe we came from a monkey?

Heh ... guess what, Mr. Brown.
I believe God started this whole thing FAR lower than THAT.

If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Donnie Brown's concept of the Bible.

Please forgive me, but your wording wasn't quite clear enough.

238 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:35:44pm

Large Hadron Rap

Crank it up!

239 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:04pm

re: #183 mean Gene

He is utterly bound by His promises so, since a law is lower than a promise, I'd say, yes, He is.

I'm going with Gene on this. If I can't trust God to keep His word, than what can I believe? I'll go further- if I can't trust God's word, then how can I believe Jesus or any of the Bible?

But I also think Naso hit on something- I suppose God could alter the law, but I still think He's bound to His promises. If He is Truth, then His word is True, He cannot break His promises.

240 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:07pm

re: #212 albusteve

how does anyone know his gender...or is that just a matter of convenience?...

My wife claims God has to be a man for if he wasn't both sexes would have menstrual cycles.

241 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:08pm

re: #232 big steve

That is an interesting observation. Back in the middle ages, the Islamic world really carried the water for math and science. Much of what the Greeks and others had come up with was retained, refined, and advanced by Muslims. Back then it wasn't against their religion to try to understand the mechanism of nature. Wonder what changed?

My understanding is that it would be more accurate to say that it was "retained, refined, and advanced" under Muslim rule, but not necessarily by Muslims.

242 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:09pm

re: #220 jaunte

What is the SEC waiting for? (cui bono?)

If the Gov't ends up buying up the toxic securities, they would rather do so at 20 cents on the dollar than 60 cents on the dollar.

But what they are missing is, having the banks write off 80 cents on the dollar is of no help to the banks and the system will fail.

The only think I think that will improve the situation is another Resolution Trust approach, and then work out the bad loans and value them over time, not in this bad market which is an unusual occurance.

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:26pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I'm asking this to anyone, and with sincerity. If God establishes a law, is He bound by His own law?

No.

244 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:54pm

re: #218 Occasional Reader

Well, the "process" involved the extinction of over 90% of species that have existed on this planet, over time. Seems like a lot of collateral damage.


Yeah, a lot of species down the tubes.....but we have lots of really cool fossils, and oil and gas deposits. It must have been in the plan. The planet changed. Meteors hit, continents moved. Volcanoes erupted and blocked out the sun. If all the critters stayed the same, maybe nothing would be left.

245 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:36:58pm
246 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:37:04pm

re: #229 Abu Al-Poopypants

So he finished a day ahead of schedule and under budget.
Obviously not a public-sector project.

He didn't even publish a budget!

SOLE SOURCE BIDDING! HALLIBURTON! "UNIVERSE" WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

247 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:37:56pm

re: #242 3 wood

Wasn't the first of the tarp money to be used for buying the Troubled Assets...

Grrrr, they messed this up badly, didn't they

248 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:38:13pm

re: #223 phoenixgirl

i just go by the pictures /


Didn't some Italian guy named Mike L. Angelo paint a picture of him a while back?

249 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:38:18pm

re: #245 Iron Fist

Extinction is just evolution in action. Indeed, without extinction, there would be nothing to drive the natural selection process.

Which goes back to my original question. Why would an omnipotent being need a "process"?

250 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:38:23pm
251 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:39:12pm

re: #233 Bobibutu

Exact parallel in Islam - all must believe in the Koran the local imman tells his local flock what it means.

Of course, one reason the local imam does that is because, chances are, his "local flock" either can't read at all or, at least, can't read classical Arabic.

252 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:39:25pm

re: #244 VioletTiger

It must have been in the plan. The planet changed. Meteors hit, continents moved. Volcanoes erupted and blocked out the sun.

If there's an omnipotent being, there's no such thing as "the planet changed". It can only change because he wants it to. So he planned to have mass extinctions? Why?

253 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:28pm

I've been offline for the past eight hours. Is the world still batshit crazy?

254 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #250 ploome hineni

thank you Zombie.:D

you have both said I am wrong but I am waiting for some sort of indication as to what I am wrong about. A little dialectic would help.

255 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:06pm

re: #240 big steve

My wife claims God has to be a man for if he wasn't both sexes would have menstrual cycles.

probably true...another sophmoric question...why do Gods children suffer so much...there should be a shortcut around it....a man suffers for 70 or 80 yrs to learn what?...is it some kind of device God uses to get his children to believe in a better afterlife?...how can man be so enamored and worship something he cannot see or touch or experience...and what of the poor Bushmen who worship trees?where does their faith take them?...are they lost?

256 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:08pm

re: #236 Stonemason

You have been saying this for some time now, can you explain it a little more, for those of us with simple econ I/II backgrounds?

And will this help e re-fi in the near future?

The mark to market requirement forces you to carry the asset on your books as if you had to sell it today. That makes you undervalue the asset in a slow economy and over value it in an inflationary economy. It forces you to value it as if you are selling in a fire sale.

The net present value is the cash value in current day dollars of all the cash flows over the remaining life of the loan.

Most of these loans will actually be good, or at least pay back 80% of their original amount. This underlying real estate will grow in value over time.

I think that is closer to the "true value" of these loans, an valuing them at this amount will greatly decrease the size of the problem.

But until this gets settled, many of these banks are credit frozen cause they do not know how much capital they really have on their books to work with.

257 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:16pm

re: #253 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I've been offline for the past eight hours. Is the world still batshit crazy?

It would appear so.

258 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:49pm

re: #238 Racer X

Large Hadron Rap

Crank it up!

Thanks for the link, it explains the search for the "God" particle better then their web site.

259 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:42:53pm
If we will just do what God says, He will heal Louisiana.

I always worry about the people with "God is my copilot" bumper stickers.

260 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:43:18pm

re: #253 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I've been offline for the past eight hours. Is the world still batshit crazy?

What?
Are you batshit crazy?!
Of COURSE it is!

261 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:43:53pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

I always worry about the people with "God is my copilot" bumper stickers.

Chesley Sullenberger had one.

262 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:12pm

re: #247 Stonemason

Wasn't the first of the tarp money to be used for buying the Troubled Assets...

Grrrr, they messed this up badly, didn't they

It was supposed to be, but they quickly decided that they did not understand them well enough to buy them and work them out, so then they shifted to buying preferred stock and injecting cash into the banks to keep them going and hope they would figure it out for themselves.

But without a reasonable valuation model that is not going to happen.

These are not real bright people we are dealing with in Washington.

263 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:18pm

re: #251 lobo91

Of course, one reason the local imam does that is because, chances are, his "local flock" either can't read at all or, at least, can't read classical Arabic.

True - however each imam interprets the Koran differently. That is why when imams travel outside their own jurisdiction and into another imams territory - they keep their mouthes shut. (lest they be terminated)

It's also about control.

BTW this is from personal observation and experience.

264 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:40pm

re: #256 3 wood

Got it, thank you. I was tripping over the NPV and how it fit in with mark to market.

Now I get it, a little.

265 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #239 Sharmuta

I'm going with Gene on this. If I can't trust God to keep His word, than what can I believe? I'll go further- if I can't trust God's word, then how can I believe Jesus or any of the Bible?

But I also think Naso hit on something- I suppose God could alter the law, but I still think He's bound to His promises. If He is Truth, then His word is True, He cannot break His promises.


Sharmuta....did my #227 post help any...

266 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:08pm

re: #265 Inquisitive

It did, actually. Thank you.

267 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:18pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

I always worry about the people with "God is my copilot" bumper stickers.

Signat a church near my house last year: "If God is your copilot. change seats".

268 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:21pm

re: #236 Stonemason

And will this help e re-fi in the near future?

I would refinance pretty damn quick cause once inflation gets going you will not see rates this low again for many years.

269 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:37pm

re: #256 3 wood


"But what they are missing is, having the banks write off 80 cents on the dollar is of no help to the banks and the system will fail."

Do you think we are watching a deliberate manipulation of the market to create bank failures?

270 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:45:40pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Sign at a church near my house last year: "If God is your copilot. change seats".

PIMF

271 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:46:00pm

re: #261 Alouette

Chesley Sullenberger had one.

really?.....did his skills make any difference?

272 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:46:10pm
273 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:46:41pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Lol

274 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:47:11pm
275 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:47:15pm

re: #159 Mich-again

To me the biggest problem with prevailing wisdom about evolution is whether the physical changes that happen over time to a species are the result of beneficial random mutations or are they just creatures adapting to changing environments. I don't believe much in random. I think outside human behavior things happen for a reason.

The environment adapts creatures to its changes, by selecting the mutations that will allow them to thrive there.

276 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:47:33pm

re: #262 3 wood

Okay, 'cause I had tried to explain that scenario to other family members, how if the Gov. bought the assets, then re-valued them with reality in mind, and repackaged them, this could have been a good deal. It seems as if it got screwed up...as usual.

277 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:47:44pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You are too late. I've decided that He must be bound by somethings, otherwise I can't trust Him. However, I do think I'll be discussing this with my priest.

278 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:47:55pm

re: #275 Salamantis

hi {sala} how are you?

279 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

If there's an omnipotent being, there's no such thing as "the planet changed". It can only change because he wants it to. So he planned to have mass extinctions? Why?

You're assuming that 'God' not only desinged it, but wants to micro manage it. Why couldn't "He" have desinged it and then let the chips fall where they may !?!?!

280 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:11pm

re: #255 albusteve

..and what of the poor Bushmen who worship trees?where does their faith take them?...are they lost?

Paul works this argument in Romans chapter 2. He attempts to resolve two philosophical problems: what happens to those who have not received the word of Christ and what happens to those who have not heard the word but due to their innate actions behave like a Christian. In both cases, Paul states that one cannot have a relationship with God without first believing in Jesus.

281 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:38pm

re: #258 avanti

Also see: Brian Cox: An inside tour of the world's biggest supercollider

It's a wonderful presentation.

282 Basho  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:40pm

Here's another similar letter to a newspaper, although much more ludicrous:
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

283 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:48:48pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

If there's an omnipotent being, there's no such thing as "the planet changed". It can only change because he wants it to. So he planned to have mass extinctions? Why?


Maybe he knew that all planets, like the stars they circle, will change. We can take pictures of stars going supernova and galaxies colliding billions of light years away from us. Nothing stays the same. The planet started out as a ball of hot rock. Like the sun, the planet changed. Some forms of life could probably exist only a the planet of 65 million years ago. There was beauty in all of those species. They just could not exist all at the same time.

284 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

I always worry about the people with "God is my copilot" bumper stickers.

I always tell them to let HIM drive, becuase you're all over the road!

285 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:11pm

re: #268 3 wood

Feb or March is the plan

Thanks again for the insight

286 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:26pm

re: #279 sattv4u2

You're assuming that 'God' not only desinged it, but wants to micro manage it. Why couldn't "He" have desinged it and then let the chips fall where they may !?!?!

See my original question on the subject, upthread.

287 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:49:32pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

I always worry about the people with "God is my copilot" bumper stickers.

Remember the George Carlin bit about people with the little statues of Jesus on their dashboard. Carlin wonders why they are always facing inward when if the faced outward they could keep an eye on traffic for you.

288 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:50:27pm

3 wood,

what is the TED spread now?

289 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:50:34pm

re: #269 jaunte

Do you think we are watching a deliberate manipulation of the market to create bank failures?

Nah, we are watching a group of people in Washington who can not figure out what to do. Nationalize, set up a bad bank, or just pump money into the banks and hope for the best.

But without a better valuation model, they are kidding themselves.

And in the mean time the situation deteriorates.

Again these are not real bright people. I thought Paulson and Cox were dumb, now I think Geithner is from the same cloth.

290 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:50:35pm
291 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:50:47pm

re: #280 big steve

Paul works this argument in Romans chapter 2. He attempts to resolve two philosophical problems: what happens to those who have not received the word of Christ and what happens to those who have not heard the word but due to their innate actions behave like a Christian. In both cases, Paul states that one cannot have a relationship with God without first believing in Jesus.

that doesnt answer the question...all this debate about the nature of God, does he keep promises etc is a little over the top for me...what happens to non believers?...it's an old question I know

292 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:51:06pm

re: #283 VioletTiger

Maybe he knew that all planets, like the stars they circle, will change.

Um... again: Either he's omnipotent, in which case they only changed (and wiped out all those species) because he wanted them to. OR, he could not stop them from changing, despite wanting to, in which case he's not omnipotent.

293 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #276 Stonemason

Okay, 'cause I had tried to explain that scenario to other family members, how if the Gov. bought the assets, then re-valued them with reality in mind, and repackaged them, this could have been a good deal.

I think that is pretty accurate.

I've been saying for 15 years that mark to market was a bad move.

294 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:51:47pm

re: #287 big steve

Remember the George Carlin bit about people with the little statues of Jesus on their dashboard. Carlin wonders why they are always facing inward when if the faced outward they could keep an eye on traffic for you.

Jesus doesn't like tailgaters.

295 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:00pm

re: #294 Colonel Panik

Jesus doesn't like tailgaters.

You're wrong. All those people in the stadiums parking lot! It'd be IDEAL setting for "Him" !

296 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:09pm

re: #282 Basho

Here's another similar letter to a newspaper, although much more ludicrous:
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

Interesting concepts! The other letter that Pharyngula links to shows how some of this misinformation is getting spread around:
[Link: austringer.net...]

297 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:28pm

Can and Do some Christians Believe in Evolution......
Three Chrisitan Views on Creation


Most members of ASA think that three basic creation views, plus variations, are compatible with a Judeo-Christian doctrine of theistic creation:

In young-earth creation, everything in the universe was miraculously created in a 144-hour period less than 10,000 years ago. Later, most of the earth's geology and fossil record were formed in a global flood. / In a variation that is less common, the earth is young but the universe is old.

In progressive creation, also called old-earth creation, at various times during a long history of nature (spanning billions of years) God used miraculous-appearing action to create. There are two kinds of progressive creation: one proposes independent creations "from scratch" so a new species would not necessarily have any relationships with previously existing species; another proposes creations by modification of the genetic material (by changing, adding, or deleting it) for some members (or all members) of an existing species.

In evolutionary creation, also called theistic evolution, natural evolution was God's method of creation, with the universe designed so physical structures (galaxies, stars, planets) and complex biological organisms (bacteria, fish, dinosaurs, humans) would naturally evolve.

who? all three views say "creation by God" so each is a creationist view, despite the fact that — due to an unfortunate abuse of vocabulary — many people think "creationism" refers to only young-earth views;

298 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #291 albusteve

that doesnt answer the question...all this debate about the nature of God, does he keep promises etc is a little over the top for me...what happens to non believers?...it's an old question I know

according to Paul....we rot. So I guess you and I will meet in hell. Do you know how to play bridge? I'll try to remember to bring a deck of cards.

299 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:42pm

re: #277 Sharmuta

You are too late. I've decided that He must be bound by somethings, otherwise I can't trust Him. However, I do think I'll be discussing this with my priest.

Yeah, I'm in late ... and leaving, too.

I believe that, so far as we're concerned, he's bound only by his Promises which follow out of his own nature. I happen to trust his nature.

What IS his nature? I have no idea, except I've seen his Promises.

(BTW, by "law" I took you to be meaning something like gravity, etc.)

300 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:53:56pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

If you posit a Creator, and observe what there is to observe in His Creation, then if there is process

A "process" is a means to reach an end. An omnipotent being, by definition, would not require it; he would simply will into being the end which he desires, he would not require a "process" or "plan" to get there.

If there is no Creator, and everything is simply by random chance, where does the apparent order in Creation come from?

What do you mean by "order"?

What would a disordered Universe look like? And if you were in it, and a product of it, how would you know it was "disordered"?

301 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:54:26pm

re: #294 Colonel Panik

Jesus doesn't like tailgaters.

Unfortunately, more do than don't. They adhere to
"If you're not tailgating, you're not driving."

302 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:55:16pm

re: #295 sattv4u2

You're wrong. All those people in the stadiums parking lot! It'd be IDEAL setting for "Him" !

Yup, he could do the "loaves and fishes" thing all over again only with beer and Polish sausages.

But I didn't mean those kind of tailgaters. I'm talking about the highway proctologists who drive right up your a**.

303 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:55:39pm

re: #288 spirochete

what is the TED spread now?

1.07

304 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:55:52pm

re: #289 3 wood

Again these are not real bright people. I thought Paulson and Cox were dumb, now I think Geithner is from the same cloth.

Reminds me of Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Which also suggests Heinlein's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice."

305 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:56:11pm

re: #302 Colonel Panik

Yup, he could do the "loaves and fishes" thing all over again only with beer and Polish sausages.

But I didn't mean those kind of tailgaters. I'm talking about the highway proctologists who drive right up your a**.

oh ,,, well ,,, nevahmind !

306 Basho  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:56:17pm

re: #296 jaunte

Good catch. I stupidly missed that =)

307 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:56:29pm

re: #302 Colonel Panik

Yup, he could do the "loaves and fishes" thing all over again only with beer and Polish sausages.

Maybe while He is at it could he get the Texan's into the playoffs?

308 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:56:49pm

re: #298 big steve

according to Paul....we rot. So I guess you and I will meet in hell. Do you know how to play bridge? I'll try to remember to bring a deck of cards.

I'll bring the cribbage board and school ya...we will lord over the Bushmen because we can make a wheel!

309 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:07pm

re: #307 big steve

Maybe while He is at it could he get the Texan's into the playoffs?

hey ,,,he's GOD ,, not a miracle worker ,,,

ummm ,wait ,, HUH !?!?!?!?!

310 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:08pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

I always worry about the people with "God is my copilot" bumper stickers.

I can understand that. However, my "Are you following Jesus this closely?" bumper sticker really works.

311 spirochete  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:19pm

re: #303 3 wood

1.07

Less than 1.00 is a good sign, and it was 2.45 or so a few months ago?

312 3 wood  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:57:20pm

Good night everybody.

313 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:04pm

re: #275 Salamantis

The environment adapts creatures to its changes, by selecting the mutations that will allow them to thrive there.


True, but mutations are random and environmental changes are rare. The possibility for beneficial convergence approaches negligible. And that is not to say it can't happen, just that its not so likely as environmental changes happen and then some of the creatures adapt but others don't and die off.

314 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:19pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

God is infinite! Why confine this awesome power?

315 big steve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:21pm

re: #308 albusteve

I'll bring the cribbage board and school ya...we will lord over the Bushmen because we can make a wheel!

Kicking Bushman Ass in Hell......sounds like the name of a band.

316 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #312 3 wood

Good night; thanks for the info.

317 pat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:47pm

re: #312 3 wood

Hey, I did a review of Obamanomics. See links above. Nite.

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:58:57pm

I'm staying out of the theological discussion here.
A movie awaits in the VCR.
Good night all.

319 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:59:15pm

re: #308 albusteve

I'll bring the cribbage board and school ya...we will lord over the Bushmen because we can make a wheel!

But if there are any Wisconsinites there, you may lose. They can make a Cheese Wheel !

320 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:59:20pm

re: #315 big steve

Kicking Bushman Ass in Hell......sounds like the name of a band.

I'll pack an eternities supply of guitar picks

321 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 7:59:59pm
322 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:01pm

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A movie awaits in the VCR.

What is this "VCR" you speak of?

323 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:13pm

re: #314 iam7545

God is infinite! Why confine this awesome power?

And what does that mean? It's sort of like Sharmuta said. How about this question "Could god create a ROCK that is so big that even he couldn't move it?" (Hat tip - George Carlin - Class Clown)

324 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:15pm

re: #292 Occasional Reader

Um... again: Either he's omnipotent, in which case they only changed (and wiped out all those species) because he wanted them to. OR, he could not stop them from changing, despite wanting to, in which case he's not omnipotent.


I think somebody already said something like this upthread, but I have always thought that God doesn't micro-manage his creation. We have free will and for that free will to be of any use, there has to be minimal intervention. Not that I don't believe in miracles--I do. I just think that for the most part, God isn't reaching in to manipulate his creation. Also, consider that we may not have reached our full potential either. Five thousand years from now who knows what will be?

325 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:21pm

re: #318 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm staying out of the theological discussion here.
A movie awaits in the VCR.
Good night all.

I'm staying away from it now too. I know the power of my soul.

Besides- this is about science education.

326 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:28pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

But if there are any Wisconsinites there, you may lose. They can make a Cheese Wheel !

cool...we'll teach them how to play football!...ahaha

327 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:00:52pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

But if there are any Wisconsinites there, you may lose. They can make a Cheese Wheel !

Not really a good location for a cheese wheel, unless you want nachos.

328 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:01pm

re: #326 albusteve

LMAO!

329 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:23pm

re: #324 VioletTiger

I think somebody already said something like this upthread

My #279 perhaps?

330 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:28pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

I'm staying away from it now too. I know the power of my soul.

Besides- this is about science education.

Ah, I just got here. Oh, wait, we usually agree. Oh well.

331 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:33pm

"God is my co-pilot" is kind of dumb. If you believe in God, shouldn't he be the pilot?

332 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:44pm

re: #322 lobo91

What is this "VCR" you speak of?

VCR = video cassette recorder = videotape/CD player = the ONLY think my TV is connected to.

333 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:01:57pm

Where are the pretend scientists and biology teachers? Taking a night off?

334 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:02:35pm

re: #277 Sharmuta

You are too late. I've decided that He must be bound by somethings, otherwise I can't trust Him. However, I do think I'll be discussing this with my priest.

Shar - there is a book called "When Bad Things Happen to Good People" by Rabbi Harold Kushner.

There is a chapter in there called "Sometimes there is no reason", and another one "God Leaves us room to be human".

The whole book is very very good - .

From a review:

n a time when so many people are striving for an explanation of why their lives turn out a certain way, or why things (good or bad) happen to them, the expressions "it's all part of God's plan," "everything happens for the best," or "it just wasn't meant to be," and so on, have became a little tiresome. In "When Bad Things Happen to Good People," Rabbi Harold S. Kushner offers a refreshing point of view that differs from those who think everything occurs on earth because God wants it that way, and at the same time provides a surprising comfort in the fact that events actually can, and do, take place for no reason at all.
I read the original version of this book in the early 80's (several times since), and what struck me was that Rabbi Kushner was able to reconcile a common Judeo-Christian view of God and causality with a perspective of life that holds a place for randomness and happenstance. Yes! Things happen in life that God has nothing to do with, and there is a way to find peace in accepting this. For those who enjoy contemplating and discussing the purpose of life, faith, and good & bad, you MUST read this book . . . then set aside some more time for thought and conversation
335 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:02:48pm

re: #331 Mich-again

"God is my co-pilot" is kind of dumb. If you believe in God, shouldn't he be the pilot?

Not if he's had wine within 3 hours before the flight! FAA regulations, you know~!

336 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:03:05pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

I'm staying away from it now too. I know the power of my soul.

Besides- this is about science education.

{Sharmie}

BTW, I threw "This is where your karma is" at goddess yesterday.
What fun!
/credited you too!

337 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:03:08pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

I left it all up-thread. In a nutshell, I can't accept that God is Truth and yet can lie.

338 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:03:43pm

re: #332 pre-Boomer Marine brat

VCR = video cassette recorder = videotape/CD player = the ONLY think my TV is connected to.

I think I saw one of those once, in a museum...

//

339 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:03:45pm

re: #333 Jimmah

Where are the pretend scientists and biology teachers? Taking a night off?

Can I pretend to be a cowboy?,,, NO NO ,, wait ,, a FIREMAN !

340 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:03:48pm

re: #336 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you have an account at cheeseburger?

341 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:02pm

re: #324 VioletTiger

We have free will and for that free will to be of any use, there has to be minimal intervention

Human free will had nothing to do with (e.g.) comet strikes wiping out dinosaurs. Or, today, with earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.

342 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:09pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

What kind of question is that?

God is infinite - we cannot begin to understand God. Thus the endless discussions trying to explain the unexplainable.

343 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:27pm

re: #300 Occasional Reader

What do you mean by "order"?

What would a disordered Universe look like? And if you were in it, and a product of it, how would you know it was "disordered"?

Actually, everything tends to disorder. Natural processes all go to disorder and the universe goes to disorder. It takes work or energy to drive the process the other way.

344 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:32pm

re: #342 iam7545

What kind of question is that?

God is infinite - we cannot begin to understand God. Thus the endless discussions trying to explain the unexplainable.

Amen

345 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:38pm

re: #338 lobo91

I think I saw one of those once, in a museum...

//

You'll have to pry my 8 track player outta my cold dead hands !

346 path  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:41pm

re: #179 zombie


Zombie - I've been a Christian for a very long time now and have never before heard this...Christians are told to "pray in the closet" and also to go out and evangelize.

347 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:48pm

re: #331 Mich-again

"God is my co-pilot" is kind of dumb. If you believe in God, shouldn't he be the pilot?

Good idea! I'll be in the back seat, mixing drinks!

348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:04:55pm

re: #338 lobo91

I think I saw one of those once, in a museum...

//

I was the fossilized old doorman in the chair down by the entrance.

/and you thought that old fart was dead!

349 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:08pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Thanks, {reine}.

350 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:17pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

Did you speak to God? Did you IM God?

How do you know that God lied?

I dont get it?

351 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:18pm

re: #340 Sharmuta

Do you have an account at cheeseburger?

Nope. I've toyed with the idea.

352 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:19pm

re: #321 taxfreekiller

Do not allow them to sink the other 49 states boat, make them swim over to us, then we can pull them in our life raft and watch the liberal boat sink.

If California is a boat Nancy Pelosi's eyelids would be the paddle wheel.

353 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:19pm

re: #333 Jimmah

Still early yet and too many regular posters still here. Let everyone leave for another thread and then they will show up.

354 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:05:57pm

re: #339 sattv4u2

Can I pretend to be a cowboy?,,, NO NO ,, wait ,, a FIREMAN !

As long as you hate firemen, and get all your (mis)information about them from anti-fireman websites, the gig's yours.

355 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:06:31pm
356 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:06pm

re: #345 sattv4u2

You'll have to pry my 8 track player outta my cold dead hands !

I don't think my wife's ever seen an 8 track player...

357 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:09pm

God Is My Co-Pilot is the biography of Robert Scott, who flew a P-40 with Claire Chennault's "Flying Tigers" against the Japanese in China, for those of you who are not familiar with where the phrase originated.

358 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:09pm

re: #341 Occasional Reader

I thought George was responsible for Katrina.

359 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

That would be the one.

360 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:12pm

That letter is a masterpiece of obfuscation, full of straw men and non sequitars. Not to mention anti-intellectualism.

361 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:07:34pm

re: #343 VioletTiger

Actually, everything tends to disorder.

Indeed, you should see my office.

362 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:15pm

re: #350 iam7545

I'm done discussing this. You can read what I said further up thread if you'd like, but I'm not discussing my faith any further tonight on this thread nor probably any other thread.

363 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:20pm

If you ever wonder why some people believe in God it is because they have learned to accept something not seen on faith because they have heard him speak to them through his word that is the Bible where he tells them that man was created to have dominion over the animals not evolve from them.

364 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:23pm

Crap. Tina Fey won the SAG.

365 melinwy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:23pm

re: #67 reine.de.tout

Donnie Nobrain.
Product of Louisiana schools.
And wondering why businesses do not locate here.

Which is why I moved to Wyoming for my kids to go to school. Tough call, I LOVE Louisiana, the public school system leaves a lot to be desired though. It was not because of this particular subject, just the public school system in general. I miss my family and the state, but I have NEVER regretted moving my kids for school.

366 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:57pm

it seems sadistic for God to create folks who live for generations of misery never able to go to Heaven...and to top it off they are of such a different intellect they dont even know it....what's the point in that?....if God wont take care of the Bushmen then I have no use for him myself...that's just plain rude

367 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

I left it all up-thread. In a nutshell, I can't accept that God is Truth and yet can lie.

Hmmmm.... I didn't get the memo on that. Let me think? Well, he probably could lie, at least those who believe in him could try to convince us that he could lie, if they don't understand that evolution more than likely is not at odds with their faith.

Those who believe in him could say things that would certainly make it seem like he lies, since many of his believers ignore his natural laws .

Those who believe in him could say things that would certainly make it seem like he lies, since many of his believers ignore the fact that he give us a wonderful device called a brain, and he designed this brain to think, but of course, not to think about anything that contradicts their narrow beliefs.

Yep, he could lie, according to his believers.

368 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:02pm

re: #361 Occasional Reader

Indeed, you should see my office.

W C Fields filing system...:)

369 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:23pm

re: #365 melinwy

Which is why I moved to Wyoming for my kids to go to school. Tough call, I LOVE Louisiana, the public school system leaves a lot to be desired though. It was not because of this particular subject, just the public school system in general. I miss my family and the state, but I have NEVER regretted moving my kids for school.

Good grief!
You had to move all the way to Wyoming?
There was Mississippi - well, I guess not.
Texas - well, maybe not.
Arkansas - well, maybe not.

GOOD CALL!

370 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:37pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

I'm done discussing this. You can read what I said further up thread if you'd like, but I'm not discussing my faith any further tonight on this thread nor probably any other thread.

Sharmuta, you sound upset, and I don't understand why. We've been having a very civilized discussion on the topic.

371 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:53pm

Now Obama wants to ban space weapons?!

372 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:09:54pm

re: #361 Occasional Reader

Indeed, you should see my office.

I need to clean my screen. I thought that said "see my ORIFICES" !

373 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:19pm

re: #347 Occasional Reader

Good idea! I'll be in the back seat, mixing drinks!

ROFL! You ever been on a family trip in a motorhome? I have and on more than one occasion sat in the back and wondered "who's driving?".

374 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:25pm

re: #363 basser


"man was created to have dominion over the animals not evolve from them."

I think you added something there.
[Link: bible.cc...]

375 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:50pm

re: #350 iam7545

Did you speak to God? Did you IM God?

How do you know that God lied?

I dont get it?

Nice. Mock a Lizard's faith. That will get you far on here.

376 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:56pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

I'm done discussing this. You can read what I said further up thread if you'd like, but I'm not discussing my faith any further tonight on this thread nor probably any other thread.

Tag team, do you want me to take over for you. I just got in from the theatre, slow night, snowing here, it kept a lot of patrons home. At least there was more patrons in seats than actors on the stage.

377 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:10:56pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

I'm done discussing this. You can read what I said further up thread if you'd like, but I'm not discussing my faith any further tonight on this thread nor probably any other thread.

a very prudent idea...as for myself I apologize if my flippant questions offend your senses...

378 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:11:09pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

Why not? If you posit a Creator, and observe what there is to observe in His Creation, then if there is process, then the process was chosen by the Creator for some reason. We may be able to figure out that reason from where we are or we may not.

If there is no Creator, and everything is simply by random chance, where does the apparent order in Creation come from? I guess you could posit that the Unverse is by its nature self-organizing, but I wouldn't think that that would fit with our current knowledge of physics.

Evolutionarily speaking, while the mutations are random, the selection is not, for it is guided by the environment.

Speaking of physics, you might wanna check out the work being done in the science of complexity at the Santa Fe Institute, particularly John Holland (author of Emergence and Hidden Order) and Stuart Kaufmann (author of The Origins Of Order and At Home In The Universe).

At some point, there are principles that have to be taken as a matter of faith because there is no way to actually observe them. That is a logical extrapolation of Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle. It isn't the case that your knowing one of the factors means the other one doesn't, but rather that you can only experimentally observe one trait at any given time. If you know the particle's position, you can't know its momentum. By definition, you can't observe the Universe in any greater context from within the Universe.

Actually, you can observe a particle's position and momentum simultaneously; it's just that the more precisely you observe one, the less precisely you can observe the other. This is because higher frequency light, being comprised of finer grained wavelengths, measures position more precisely, but is also higher energy, so it disrupts momentum more by adding more energy to the system.

379 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:11:29pm

re: #375 astronmr20

Nice. Mock a Lizard's faith. That will get you far on here.

That only applies for certain faiths.

380 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:03pm

re: #372 sattv4u2

I need to clean my screen. I thought that said "see my ORIFICES" !

And so we go from eschatology, to scatology, in one fell post...

381 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:24pm

re: #379 esch

That only applies for certain faiths.

and certain lizards!

382 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #350 iam7545

Did you speak to God? Did you IM God? How do you know that God lied? I dont get it?

What kind of bullshit is this? There is no need for you to get personal.

383 Duane  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:32pm

I'm glad I am Catholic.

384 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:40pm

re: #362 Sharmuta

Faith = belief without proof.

You are not expressing faith, you are mind bending your UNDERSTANDING of God. If you had faith your posts would look different.

It is a sign of insecurity to try to understand and explain God to others.

Back to the question on the thread. My faith is such that I can believe either way regarding evolution.

385 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:52pm

re: #380 Occasional Reader

And so we go from eschatology, to scatology, in one fell post...

what can I say ,,, i'm gifted that way!

386 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:12:56pm

OT, but I'm watching Nat Geo on Air Force One - the trip after 9/11.

Reminds me how well Bush did, and how I don't expect 0bama to do well at all.

Just before this I watched a show on the carrier Ronald Reagan, which ended with Reagan's words "peace through strength".

Too bad our new president's slogan is "peace through surrender".

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:09pm

re: #200 Quilly Mammoth

Science teachers aren''t qualified to teach religion!

On the contrary, I used to work with a lovely woman who taught both. Including a rocking middle-school evolution unit.

MOST science teachers aren't qualified to teach religion.

388 outsidephilly  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:10pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

Tag team, do you want me to take over for you. I just got in from the theatre, slow night, snowing here, it kept a lot of patrons home. At least there was more patrons in seats than actors on the stage.

Sorry to hear you had a slow night. How was your recent interview?

389 Manfred the Wonder Dog  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:20pm

I'd say it right to their face, Donnie. I swear I would. In Louisiana you have to- it's state law.

Oh, sorry, with the tone of the post and all, I thought I read Donnie Baker, not Brown. Sorry.

//Shut up, Randy.

390 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:30pm
391 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:37pm

re: #373 Mich-again

ROFL! You ever been on a family trip in a motorhome? I have and on more than one occasion sat in the back and wondered "who's driving?".

Nope, we never had one. My Uncle/Aunt/cousins did, for a while. Of course, I thought it was the coolest thing I had ever seen. A car with a bathroom! Whoa!

392 esch  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:13:42pm

re: #380 Occasional Reader

And so we go from eschatology, to scatology, in one fell post...

I resemble that remark.

393 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:14:06pm

I have no idea why I even clicked on this thread.


G'night, folks!

394 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:14:35pm

re: #370 Occasional Reader

Part of it is a holdover from last night. I'm not interested in someone a month or two from now making a snide comment about my faith because in their mind they want to misconstrue the points I'm trying to make tonight. #384 on this thread is a good example.

395 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:20pm

re: #377 albusteve

You haven't offended me.

396 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:40pm
If you believe in God, you have to believe in the Bible.

The whole thing, of course? So Jews don't count?
And what about Muslims? Mormons? Do Catholics count?---their Bible is different. And then we get into the question of how you interpret it. It's not exactly a manual of physical chemistry. There are all sorts of difficulties and obscurities in reading it.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:54pm

re: #248 Colonel Panik

Didn't some Italian guy named Mike L. Angelo paint a picture of him a while back?

When I realized who the dude with the white beard was supposed to be (in college), I had a small theological panic attack.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:15:58pm

Hi lizards. What have i missed over the weekend?

399 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:16:22pm

OT: I found this gem over at newsbusters....Tell you what -- let's talk about the foods we'd cook for the poor guys in Gitmo, if we could. [Link: firedoglake.com...]

400 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:16:30pm

re: #390 ploome hineni

Thanks.

401 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:16:42pm

re: #388 outsidephilly

Sorry to hear you had a slow night. How was your recent interview?

No recent interview. A recent phone call to ask me if I was still available for a possible position and still interested. Yes on both points and I may know more this week about a meeting with the manager and team.

Yes, really slow night. And it's 11 degrees (f) out there. And fluffy-white global warming flakes (TM) are falling.

402 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:23pm

re: #394 Sharmuta

Part of it is a holdover from last night. I'm not interested in someone a month or two from now making a snide comment about my faith because in their mind they want to misconstrue the points I'm trying to make tonight. #384 on this thread is a good example.

You need to look up the definition of faith - I am not making this up of being snide. You are missing the entire point.

403 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:31pm

re: #374 jaunte
Thanks for proving my point with multiple translations of the verse.

404 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:31pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

When I realized who the dude with the white beard was supposed to be (in college), I had a small theological panic attack.

At my school, he was the hot dog vendor outside of the student union building. Strange little man. Always had a canarie in a cage with him!

405 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:39pm
406 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:42pm

re: #384 iam7545

You've jumped into the middle, so either leave me alone, or read all of my comments on this thread.

407 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:45pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

Tag team, do you want me to take over for you. I just got in from the theatre, slow night, snowing here, it kept a lot of patrons home. At least there was more patrons in seats than actors on the stage.

Hmm...yeah, there is a little dusting of snow outside...

408 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

When I realized who the dude with the white beard was supposed to be (in college), I had a small theological panic attack.

What about Powerlifting Jesus?

409 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:17:53pm

re: #384 iam7545

Shame on you! Shame!

410 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:32pm

re: #371 astronmr20

Now Obama wants to ban space weapons?!

Yes, remember the video that was circulating all last year of him addressing a "peace" group at the Iowa Caucases? Cancelling our missile defense and space weapons programs is a priority for Zerobama, while the Chinese are ramping theirs up...

411 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:43pm

re: #407 lobo91

Hmm...yeah, there is a little dusting of snow outside...

Hi lobo91, how's the mission?

412 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:50pm
If we will just do what God says, He will heal Louisiana.

There was once a woman who held that neither fear of punishment nor desire for gain were valid reasons for worshiping God. I believe she knew a geat deal more about God than Mr. Brown.

Mr. Brown will be really REALLY pissed to find out who she was -- Rabia al-Adawiyya.

/no, Mr. Brown, I'm a devout Christian
/yes, Mr. Brown, you may damn Rabia Basri to hell if you wish
/yes, sir, me too
/as if I give a shit

413 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:18:50pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

Also see: Brian Cox: An inside tour of the world's biggest supercollider

It's a wonderful presentation.

Thanks for the brain food, great link.

414 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:04pm

re: #313 Mich-again

True, but mutations are random and environmental changes are rare. The possibility for beneficial convergence approaches negligible. And that is not to say it can't happen, just that its not so likely as environmental changes happen and then some of the creatures adapt but others don't and die off.

No, you're talking Lamarckism (known in the Soviet Union as Lysenkoism), a long-discredited alternative which was finally irrretrievably buried when Watson & Crick isolated the physical substrate DNA within which random mutations happen. Some giraffes' necks don't get longer by stretching for higher leaves while less flexible-necked giraffes die out; shorter necked giraffes starve to death before they can reproduce and two longer-necked giraffe parents have a good chance of having offspring whose necks will be even longer.

415 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:06pm

re: #406 Sharmuta

I read your comments. Try to be civil. Faith is belief without proof. Yet you continue to ask for evidence.

WHY?

416 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:13pm

re: #403 basser

You have dominion. Now you don't have to worry about bacteria.

417 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:29pm

re: #384 iam7545

Faith = belief without proof.

You are not expressing faith, you are mind bending your UNDERSTANDING of God. If you had faith your posts would look different.

It is a sign of insecurity to try to understand and explain God to others.

Back to the question on the thread. My faith is such that I can believe either way regarding evolution.

Excuse Me.....sign of insecurity....I thought trying to explain God to others.....is what Christians are suppose to do.....how will those who don't know him....learn of him if Christians do not speak up.... and if someone who ask questions....is not answered.....

418 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:36pm

re: #413 avanti

Thanks for the brain food, great link.

Have you seen the live cams at the new collider?

419 outsidephilly  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:19:57pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

No recent interview. A recent phone call to ask me if I was still available for a possible position and still interested. Yes on both points and I may know more this week about a meeting with the manager and team.

Yes, really slow night. And it's 11 degrees (f) out there. And fluffy-white global warming flakes (TM) are falling.

Wish we had some of that fluffy-white global warming flakery here . . . . , 11 degrees ~ brrrrr

And you'll share news about that possible position, won't you?

420 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:20:23pm

re: #415 iam7545

GAZE

421 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:20:48pm

re: #249 Occasional Reader

Which goes back to my original question. Why would an omnipotent being need a "process"?

Perhaps the process is the point. A watchmaker can move the hands on the watch around without the gears, but the watchmaker wants the watch to operate on its own.

Or, How should I know?

422 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:21:58pm

re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps the process is the point. A watchmaker can move the hands on the watch around without the gears, but the watchmaker wants the watch to operate on its own.

Or, How should I know?

I like this analogy....

423 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:08pm

re: #415 iam7545

I read your comments. Try to be civil. Faith is belief without proof. Yet you continue to ask for evidence.

WHY?

I haven't seen a quest for "evidence", I've seen a quest for understanding, a completely different thing, and a perfectly reasonable thing for anyone to do.

424 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:14pm

re: #342 iam7545

What kind of question is that?

God is infinite - we cannot begin to understand God. Thus the endless discussions trying to explain the unexplainable.

Ah; the second of the trinity to which Dostoyevsky said that all religions must appeal; magic, mystery and authority.

425 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:22pm

re: #411 Walter L. Newton

Hi lobo91, how's the mission?

Howdy, Walter.

We're in kind of a down time at the moment. Getting ready to ramp back up for a couple of big ones back-to-back, including the unit Mama Winger's son is deploying with.

426 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:23pm

re: #417 Inquisitive

No - they explain dogma. No one knows God.

I am a Jew and we believe in Ain Sof - an Infinite God.

You can argue man made ideas of God all you want. It is the silly folly.

Think about it.

If you think your brain can understand God you need a bigger God

427 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:37pm

re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps the process is the point. A watchmaker can move the hands on the watch around without the gears, but the watchmaker wants the watch to operate on its own.

Or, How should I know?

Well stated (similar to my #279, I think)

428 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:39pm

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

Have you seen the live cams at the new collider?


I didn't realize they had them. Any links?

429 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:41pm

re: #416 jaunte
Aren't you glad you use Dial? Don't you wish every monkey did?

430 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:22:54pm

re: #415 iam7545

I read your comments. Try to be civil. Faith is belief without proof. Yet you continue to ask for evidence.

WHY?

Hey, if that's what works for you, fine. If someone else has their own way of understanding God and coming to know him, then why is it your job to deny that.

Look, there is no need for you to tell someone how they are going to believe, worship and for you to decide if someone's faith is orthodox enough for you.

Jerk.

431 outsidephilly  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:12pm

re: #364 MandyManners

Crap. Tina Fey won the SAG.

She grew up in my neighborhood.

432 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:20pm

re: #429 basser

Lol.

433 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:42pm

re: #414 Salamantis

Some giraffes' necks don't get longer by stretching for higher leaves while less flexible-necked giraffes die out; shorter necked giraffes starve to death before they can reproduce and two longer-necked giraffe parents have a good chance of having offspring whose necks will be even longer.

Not if a longer neck is a random mutation. I am not denying evolution. Just the randomness. I don't believe in random.

434 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:23:54pm

re: #424 Salamantis

Ah; the second of the trinity to which Dostoyevsky said that all religions must appeal; magic, mystery and authority.

Dusty Yevsky? Didn't he play center field for the Brewers?

435 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:13pm

re: #424 Salamantis

Yes - the idea that God can be understood from a book written by men raises quite a few red flags.

Have faith - believe in what we cannot see and understand.

It is much more enjoyable!

436 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:31pm

re: #419 outsidephilly

Wish we had some of that fluffy-white global warming flakery here . . . . , 11 degrees ~ brrrrr

And you'll share news about that possible position, won't you?

I certainly will keep Lizards up to date.

437 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #394 Sharmuta

... someone a month or two from now making a snide comment about my faith because ...

heh ... I'd make snide comments about people's faith when I was younger ... then I looked the mirror.

/awshit

438 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:57pm

re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps the process is the point.

That raises theological/eschatological problems of its own. Sounds nice, though.

439 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:24:57pm

re: #363 basser

If you ever wonder why some people believe in God it is because they have learned to accept something not seen on faith because they have heard him speak to them through his word that is the Bible where he tells them that man was created to have dominion over the animals not evolve from them.

You must be a Genesis Literalist. Most Christians, including more than a billion Roman Catholics, disagree with you concerning evolution.

440 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:19pm

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

Have you seen the live cams at the new collider?

Yes, but have not checked them recently.

441 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:39pm

re: #428 VioletTiger

I didn't realize they had them. Any links?

Yes, if you watch closely, you can see the scientist working on stuff and all kinds of weird things...

[Link: www.cyriak.co.uk...]

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:25:57pm

re: #414 Salamantis

No, you're talking Lamarckism (known in the Soviet Union as Lysenkoism), a long-discredited alternative which was finally irrretrievably buried when Watson & Crick isolated the physical substrate DNA within which random mutations happen. Some giraffes' necks don't get longer by stretching for higher leaves while less flexible-necked giraffes die out; shorter necked giraffes starve to death before they can reproduce and two longer-necked giraffe parents have a good chance of having offspring whose necks will be even longer.

There was an article in this week's Newsweek, however, on some research that seems to suggest that Lamarck may not have been totally off--apparently there is some developing evidence that parent's experiences can physically influence offspring.

No stretching giraffes, though. Water fleas with and without spiny carapaces.

443 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:00pm

re: #439 Salamantis

Most Christians, including more than a billion Roman Catholics, disagree with you concerning evolution.

Including me.

444 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:02pm

re: #423 reine.de.tout

Read Shramutas posts. Faith would cause us to not ask questions regarding proof or second hand info regarding God.

DO you have his web address?

445 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:07pm

re: #440 avanti

Yes, but have not checked them recently.

[Link: www.cyriak.co.uk...]

446 dkorta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:26:45pm

re: #291 albusteve

that doesnt answer the question...all this debate about the nature of God, does he keep promises etc is a little over the top for me...what happens to non believers?...it's an old question I know

Man, this thread is moving fast.

It's an old question with an old answer: reincarnation.

You get another chance,

and another chance....

and another chance....


.....

447 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:06pm

Is curiosity unfaithfulness?

448 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:19pm

re: #433 Mich-again

Not if a longer neck is a random mutation. I am not denying evolution. Just the randomness. I don't believe in random.

It's combinatorics.

The "random" means we don't know which of the tall giraffes' offspring will get the good genes, we just know the odds in general.

It's one of the fine points of evolution which is well understood but generally fudged in concise English descriptions, that it depends on these combinatorics - Mendellian genetics.

449 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:20pm

re: #425 lobo91

Howdy, Walter.

We're in kind of a down time at the moment. Getting ready to ramp back up for a couple of big ones back-to-back, including the unit Mama Winger's son is deploying with.

Keep an eye on the wingers son.

450 Stonemason  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:23pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

that was great!

451 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:27:41pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

Tag team, do you want me to take over for you. I just got in from the theatre, slow night, snowing here, it kept a lot of patrons home. At least there was more patrons in seats than actors on the stage.

Tag team?

I dont get it?

Is this some sort of war for you all?

PULEASE

452 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:09pm

re: #426 iam7545

I am a Jew and we believe in Ain Sof - an Infinite God.

One thing that puzzles me about God being infinite - as applied to his knowledge - is how he can be so emotional, reacting to events with surprise and anger. How can a being of infinite knowledge be surprised by anything? Play acting, or just another mystery?

453 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:10pm
454 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:10pm

Gee- it's also possible some of my questions were rhetorical. But let us not consider that- it's much more enjoyable to belittle people based on perceived insecurities.

455 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:28:52pm

re: #447 jaunte

Is curiosity unfaithfulness?

Yes. Curiosity leads to science, and we know what that leads to.

456 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:05pm

re: #439 Salamantis
No, just a literal genius.

457 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:10pm

re: #450 Stonemason

that was great!

:)

458 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:31pm

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

Keep an eye on the wingers son.

Unfortunately, I don't know his actual name.

459 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:39pm

BBC crisis over refusal to broadcast Gaza appeal

The BBC was in crisis last night as politicians including government ministers, religious leaders and senior members of its own staff condemned the decision not to broadcast a charity appeal to help the stricken people of Gaza rebuild their homes.

The corporation's director general, Mark Thompson, was left isolated as rival broadcasters ITV and Channel 4 agreed to put out the plea for aid made jointly by 13 British charities. The BBC has decided the broadcast of the appeal might be seen as evidence of bias on a highly sensitive political issue.

Ya think? We already know they are biased.

460 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:40pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Bathing!

461 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:46pm

re: #444 iam7545

Why don't you just come right out and call her a godless atheist?

462 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:56pm

re: #447 jaunte

Is curiosity unfaithfulness?

no, God gave us the ability to be curious

463 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:29:56pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Yes. Curiosity leads to science, and we know what that leads to.

APOSTATE!

464 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:00pm

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

Well then - Iggy to you!

You need to chill - this is not a war and I will not resort to name calling

TATA!

465 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:04pm

re: #447 jaunte

Is curiosity unfaithfulness?

I have curiosity regarding things both sacred, and profane. I guess you could say I'm bi-curious.

No, wait...

466 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #447 jaunte

Is curiosity unfaithfulness?

NO! One of the things celebrated about Mother Theresa during discussions about her Beautification was her doubt about the very existence of a God in light of all she saw firsthand.

467 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:23pm

re: #452 Jimmah

One thing that puzzles me about God being infinite - as applied to his knowledge - is how he can be so emotional, reacting to events with surprise and anger. How can a being of infinite knowledge be surprised by anything? Play acting, or just another mystery?

Because He will not take away our free will by doing everything for us.

/quote from guess who

468 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:23pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Yes. Curiosity leads to science, and we know what that leads to.

Drinking beer!

469 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:27pm

re: #464 iam7545

You already did.

470 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:41pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Yes. Curiosity leads to science, and we know what that leads to.

Wyoming, according to someone upthread.

471 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:46pm

re: #438 Occasional Reader

That raises theological/eschatological problems of its own. Sounds nice, though.

non believers have all these problems....if God wants a process he can have a process...if he wants an instant thing he can do that too...Lowell Goerge wrote, 'Love is the Perfect Imperfection'....it's only contrary if you want it to be...and that's a problem

472 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:51pm

re: #448 itellu3times

It's combinatorics.

I'm not sure what that means but sign me up!

473 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:52pm

re: #447 jaunte

Is curiosity unfaithfulness?

No, but lets not get into that whole Cat/ Killed thing!

474 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:52pm

re: #465 Occasional Reader

I have curiosity regarding things both sacred, and profane. I guess you could say I'm bi-curious.

No, wait...

lol

475 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:53pm

I believe in allowing all people the right to believe according to the dictates of their own conscience. Let them worship how, where, or what they may.

I do have issues with schools and science rooms being used as a platform in pushing agenda's.

476 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:54pm

re: #458 lobo91

Unfortunately, I don't know his actual name.

Well, I know you all watch each others back, so that keeps it tight knit. Are you in CoSprs tonight or local?

477 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:30:56pm

re: #467 itellu3times

Because He will not take away our free will by doing everything for us.

/quote from guess who

From which song? "American Woman"?

478 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:07pm

re: #435 iam7545

See my #437 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In your case, the word would be condescending instead of snide.

You are making an ass of yourself here.

479 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:11pm

re: #433 Mich-again

Not if a longer neck is a random mutation. I am not denying evolution. Just the randomness. I don't believe in random.

The final long-neck was not a 'random' mutation, but as Salamantis said, two parents with longer necks may have survived to have offspring and maybe those longer necks were a random genetic change. If those offspring had and advantage, eventually you would get a species with very long necks.

480 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:36pm

re: #471 albusteve

non believers have all these problems....

No, we have problems, but they're different problems.

481 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:46pm

re: #461 MandyManners

Mandy - I do not think she is an Athiest. I have no problem with Athiests if she were one.

Why would you put words in my mouth.

She claims to have faith.

Faith by definition is belief without proof. Look it up.

482 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:31:58pm

re: #455 Sharmuta

Yes. Curiosity leads to science, and we know what that leads to.

My pastor frowned on premarital sex, on the grounds it might lead to mixed dancing.

483 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:03pm

re: #447 jaunte
Curiosity is just using the free will that God gave us to question his power and authority. Many great men in the Bible did this.

484 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:16pm

re: #465 Occasional Reader

I have curiosity regarding things both sacred, and profane. I guess you could say I'm bi-curious.

No, wait...

Are we back to your orifices again !?!?!

485 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:18pm

re: #464 iam7545

Well then - Iggy to you! You need to chill - this is not a war and I will not resort to name calling TATA!

And you will not resort to answering my questions or address my comments.

486 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:22pm

re: #477 Occasional Reader

From which song? "American Woman"?

Er, no, not The Guess Who, ... get away from me.

487 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:51pm

re: #384 iam7545

Faith = belief without proof.

You are not expressing faith, you are mind bending your UNDERSTANDING of God. If you had faith your posts would look different.

It is a sign of insecurity to try to understand and explain God to others.

Back to the question on the thread. My faith is such that I can believe either way regarding evolution.

Nietszche once said, more than a hundred years ago, that faith was 'not wanting to know.' It is apparently much worse than that now in some quarters. It seems that now, some people think that faith is wanting NOT to know, and that the deeper their ignorance, the more pristine their virtue. Perhaps this is why they push to destroy public high school science teaching, to preserve that sacred holy ignorance, and to save souls from profane understanding.

To me, this resembles the disastrous 'ignorance is kewl and braniacs are dorks' meme that blights so many of our inner city schools.

488 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:52pm

re: #469 Sharmuta

Where?

When ?

489 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:32:54pm
490 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:03pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

Very cool, but as I was watching it, it looked like it blew up or something....tehn it said the cam went offline.

491 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:15pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

Gee- it's also possible some of my questions were rhetorical. But let us not consider that- it's much more enjoyable to belittle people based on perceived insecurities.

Rhetorical or not.....I once had a professor....ask me to stay after class....he thanked me for asking questions during class....he said, not everyone is comfortable asking questions and sometimes someone had to ask..... so others could learn......No insecurities perceived...HERE!

492 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #475 Oh no...Sand People!

I believe in allowing all people the right to believe according to the dictates of their own conscience. Let them worship how, where, or what they may.

I do have issues with schools and science rooms being used as a platform in pushing agenda's.

Thomas Jefferson and I agree.

493 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:25pm

re: #467 itellu3times

Because He will not take away our free will by doing everything for us.

/quote from guess who

nope - you've got me - who is the quote from?

494 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:46pm

re: #459 NJDhockeyfan

BBC crisis over refusal to broadcast Gaza appeal

Ya think? We already know they are biased.

I'm in favor of aid to Gaza, right after the people there vote in a referendum to recognize Israel and cease all terrorist activities. Otherwise, let them pound sand.

495 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:48pm

re: #481 iam7545

...I have no problem with Athiests if she were one...

Well, isn't that so grand of you. Do you realize how smart-assed you sound?

496 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:56pm

re: #481 iam7545

Where did I ask for proof of anything?! I asked if God is bound to his law, His word, His promises. That's not asking for proof in my mind.

497 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:33:58pm

re: #444 iam7545

Read Shramutas posts. Faith would cause us to not ask questions regarding proof or second hand info regarding God.

DO you have his web address?

I read Sharmuta's posts.
There was a philosophical question posed.
I think seeking answers to philosophical questions is perfectly reasonable.

It is why this book was written:

498 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:15pm

re: #476 Walter L. Newton

Well, I know you all watch each others back, so that keeps it tight knit. Are you in CoSprs tonight or local?

Local. Had to work this weekend, so I stayed up here.

499 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:22pm

re: #310 Catttt

I can understand that. However, my "Are you following Jesus this closely?" bumper sticker really works.

I like the one "never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly."

500 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:34:53pm

re: #481 iam7545

I am sick and tired of your chastising Sharmuta, saying she has no faith. Shame on you.

501 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:35:03pm

re: #492 Mich-again

Thomas Jefferson and I agree.

Thomas Jefferson said that?

I really didn't know.

502 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:35:21pm

Sunset Report:
There was no green flash seen here at sunset.

503 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:35:40pm

re: #500 MandyManners

{Mandy}

504 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:17pm

Good night.

505 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:17pm

re: #415 iam7545

I read your comments. Try to be civil. Faith is belief without proof. Yet you continue to ask for evidence.

WHY?

Maybe because it's kinda useful to figure out exactly what the hell yer believing in?

506 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:35pm

re: #499 Bobibutu
I saw one that says "God loves you - deal with it!"

507 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:46pm

re: #480 Occasional Reader

No, we have problems, but they're different problems.

honestly to me these debates are very similar to watching ping pong....
gnip
gnop
repeat....waiting for the guns

508 Last Man  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:36:51pm

...d-e-v-o
god made man
but he used the
monkey to do it
apes in the plan
we're all here
to prove it
i can walk like an ape
talk like an ape
i can do what a
monkey can do
god made man
but a monkey
supplied the glue
we must repeat
o.k. let's go!

509 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:37:08pm

re: #496 Sharmuta

Where did I ask for proof of anything?! I asked if God is bound to his law, His word, His promises. That's not asking for proof in my mind.

How do you know what Gods promises and laws are?

Can you answer that one?

510 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:37:19pm

re: #493 Jimmah

Because He will not take away our free will by doing everything for us.

nope - you've got me - who is the quote from?

I didn't get it exactly right, but Niccolo Machiavelli.

511 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:37:29pm

re: #499 Bobibutu

I like the one "never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly."

My personal favorite Christian bumper sticker reads: Warning: In The Event of the Rapture This Vehicle Will Be Unmanned.

I would get one, except:

1. I am not a Christian.
2. If I was a Christian, I'd be a Catholic.
3. I don't own a car.

512 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:37:57pm

re: #410 Colonel Panik

Yes, remember the video that was circulating all last year of him addressing a "peace" group at the Iowa Caucases? Cancelling our missile defense and space weapons programs is a priority for Zerobama, while the Chinese are ramping theirs up...

He also wants to ban nuclear weapons. This is why I gave his slogan as "peace through surrender"

513 Panhandler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:16pm

re: #502 IslandLibertarian
Bummer! I saw three in a row once in WestPac. Ist time everybody was saying "Yeah sure, pull the other one", by day three it had changed to "Kewl!"

514 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:17pm

re: #490 VioletTiger

Very cool, but as I was watching it, it looked like it blew up or something....tehn it said the cam went offline.

Er, it was a little joke, you know, collider, meltdown, blackhole, poof!

515 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:47pm

re: #500 MandyManners

I am sick and tired of your chastising Sharmuta, saying she has no faith. Shame on you.

He/she hasn't the foggiest idea who Søren Kierkegaard was.

516 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:47pm

re: #509 iam7545

Oh man, if you are a Christian you sure are setting a poor example, hectoring someone over the net.

517 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:48pm

OK, a question that always bothered me about a omniscient God.
If God knows all things throughout time, as he must, if he is omniscient, then he knows every action I perform, every decision I make throughout my life, before I have done them. If God knows exactly what I am going to do, then it's out of my control. i.e. HE knows if I'll be saved or damned to hell.
HE knows I'm going to post this to LGF, I can't help myself.

518 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:38:58pm

re: #500 MandyManners

Why do you put words in my mouth again? Are you part of the tag team?

Show me where I said that.

Your friend is simply confused about what faith is.

I did not write the dictionary

519 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:01pm

re: #487 Salamantis

Nietszche once said, more than a hundred years ago, that faith was 'not wanting to know.' It is apparently much worse than that now in some quarters. It seems that now, some people think that faith is wanting NOT to know, and that the deeper their ignorance, the more pristine their virtue. Perhaps this is why they push to destroy public high school science teaching, to preserve that sacred holy ignorance, and to save souls from profane understanding.

To me, this resembles the disastrous 'ignorance is kewl and braniacs are dorks' meme that blights so many of our inner city schools.

Very good point. Aggressive ignorance is a blight upon the world. It destroys hope and retards positive changes and improvements. Forgive my using Obama buzzwords but they fit here. One good thing Obama could do would be to make the case against cultures of ignorance. He could make the case of learning as leading to his buzzwords. Done right, I might actually support him in such an endevour.

520 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:39:10pm

re: #496 Sharmuta

Where did I ask for proof of anything?! I asked if God is bound to his law, His word, His promises. That's not asking for proof in my mind.

Shar - no one knows for sure - no one can give you an absolute yes or no. It's a personal belief either way.

521 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:00pm

re: #502 IslandLibertarian

Sunset Report:
There was no green flash seen here at sunset.


You lucky so and so.

522 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:04pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

Er, it was a little joke, you know, collider, meltdown, blackhole, poof!

Mini black hole sucked in the cam. :)

523 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:06pm

re: #516 MrPaulRevere

Read My posts = I clearly stated that I am a Jew.

Check it out.

524 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:25pm

re: #509 iam7545

How do you know what Gods promises and laws are?

Can you answer that one?

If YOU need an answer to your question to Sharmuta.....see my post #227

525 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:28pm

I've got a deep faith in the existence of God. I also believe he made the universe billions of years ago using miracles like quantum mechanics, evolution, micro biology and chemistry to run his creation. I find it disturbing people would ignore the miracles that science has allowed us to discover and develop a closer understanding of how God works thru observation and reason can see and instead go off parables and doctrines developed by man to further a man's agenda, not God's.

526 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:38pm

Henry the reptile becomes a dad at 111 years old

Wellington - Henry, a tuatara reptile said to be 111 years old and a relic of the dinosaur age, has become a father for the first time, a newspaper reported Monday.

Tuatara (Sphenodon punctatus) usually become sexually mature at the age of about 20, but Henry, who lives at the Southland Museum in Invercargill, was a slow developer and did not discover sex until March, when he had a romp with Mildred, who is in her 70s.

Nine eggs laid by Mildred in August hatched over the weekend, and Henry's babies are running around and doing well, museum curator Lindsay Hazley told the Southland Times.

He said Henry did not have a clue that he had become a dad.

'If he saw the babies and they came close, they would be lunch,' he said.

Tuatara, which are native to New Zealand, are the last surviving members of the beak-headed reptile order known as Sphenodontia, which was prevalent during the age of the dinosaurs, 200 million years ago.

527 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:39pm

re: #518 iam7545

Why do you put words in my mouth again? Are you part of the tag team?

Show me where I said that.

Your friend is simply confused about what faith is.

I did not write the dictionary

GO FUCK YOURSELF.

528 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:41pm

re: #520 Bobibutu

Shar - no one knows for sure - no one can give you an absolute yes or no. It's a personal belief either way.

Thank you. I continue to stand by Gene's comment to me.

529 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:42pm
530 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:40:55pm

re: #523 iam7545

OK then, you are setting a poor example for Jews.

531 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:24pm

The state is not to interfere with religion. Leave religion out of the science room. Keep them in their proper places and it is possible that if one chooses or has the inclination, they can have BOTH! There is a novel concept. If one wants science. You can have it. If one wants religion, they can have it. If one wants both, they can have them both. But mixing them together in the same venue due to an agenda gives me pause.

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:27pm

re: #515 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He/she hasn't the foggiest idea who Søren Kierkegaard was.


"If you find me a cause of death, I will give you a Kierkegaard t-shirt."

533 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:30pm

re: #519 Dark_Falcon

One good thing Obama could do would be to make the case against cultures of ignorance.

He could, but why would he come out against his base like that?

534 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:32pm

re: #433 Mich-again

Not if a longer neck is a random mutation. I am not denying evolution. Just the randomness. I don't believe in random.

At the quantum scale, particle-antiparticle pairs randomly pop into and out of existence all the time. Einstein himself studied Brownian motion, which is random, and lost his argument for determinism with Feynmann. And both chemicals and radiation can cause genomic mutations to happen, but where in the genome they happen is entirely random.

Or else you're gonna have to explain how a particular environment knows how to reach inside an organism's genome and tweak a specific codon in a specific way. Good luck with that.

535 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:33pm
536 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:41:48pm

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

Henry the reptile becomes a dad at 111 years old

We reptiles remain verile far into our old age.

537 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:01pm
538 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:09pm

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

S/he's not understanding the point of many of my questions. Not all of them were questions I have myself- some of them were rhetorical.

539 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:42:24pm

re: #535 ploome hineni

stop wasting your time

seeing you try to reason with people who are unable to comprehend is making me NERVOUS

I know, it's a Ploome sock puppet.

540 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:10pm

re: #530 MrPaulRevere

OK then, you are setting a poor example for Jews.

Please, think of the Jews! We're impressionable!

/

541 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:10pm

Oh for shit's sake people. It's a comment thread on a blog. Get over yourselves.

542 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:14pm

re: #435 iam7545

Yes - the idea that God can be understood from a book written by men raises quite a few red flags.

Have faith - believe in what we cannot see and understand.

It is much more enjoyable!

Can I then believe that dwarves are fellating unicorns beneath the mountains of the moon? I can neither see that, nor understand how it couold be so...

543 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:14pm

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

Henry the reptile becomes a dad at 111 years old

It's true: Lizards eat their young. Here at LGF, we eat newly hatched lizards who turn out to be trolls. And seldom does a month go by without a good troll-roast.

544 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:35pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

S/he's not understanding the point of many of my questions. Not all of them were questions I have myself- some of them were rhetorical.

And I have asked he/she some questions, and made some valid observations, yet he/she is not capable of answering.

I really have no faith in he/she.

545 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:43:49pm

re: #433 Mich-again

Not if a longer neck is a random mutation. I am not denying evolution. Just the randomness. I don't believe in random.

Mutations for longer necks, AND mutations for shorter necks, happen from time to time, both in giraffes and in elephants.

The mutation for long necks has a better chance of multiplying and becoming established in a population of giraffes, than in a population of elephants. Vice versa for longer noses.

It is a mistake to think that randomness is random. And no, this is not an absurd claim. Random chance, operating in the realm of billions and trillions of trials, not to speak of the far larger numbers evolution has to work with, comes to have a certain inevitability to it. Anybody as omniscient as God wouldn't worry about leaving some things to chance...with His deep pockets and patience, there's nothing chancy about it.

546 VioletTiger  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:03pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

Er, it was a little joke, you know, collider, meltdown, blackhole, poof!


Oh geez....now I really feel foolish! I didn't even realize...I just clicked on the reset to start it up again figuring it was just a glitch. -blush-

547 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:14pm

re: #536 astronmr20

We reptiles remain verile far into our old age.


Yep. I just wish grandma and grandpa would wait until they get home.

548 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:16pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

I know, it's a Ploome sock puppet.


oh fer gods sake....hahaha

549 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:17pm

re: #487 Salamantis

Nietszche once said, more than a hundred years ago, that faith was 'not wanting to know.' It is apparently much worse than that now in some quarters. It seems that now, some people think that faith is wanting NOT to know, and that the deeper their ignorance, the more pristine their virtue. Perhaps this is why they push to destroy public high school science teaching, to preserve that sacred holy ignorance, and to save souls from profane understanding.

To me, this resembles the disastrous 'ignorance is kewl and braniacs are dorks' meme that blights so many of our inner city schools.

Good one.

550 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:31pm

re: #510 itellu3times

I didn't get it exactly right, but Niccolo Machiavelli.

Ah...Machiavelli (never read him, but I hear he's popular with the mafia) Anyway, my point wasn't about free will, but about God's biblical displays of surprise and anger being at odds with the idea of his omniscience.

551 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:56pm

re: #542 Salamantis

Can I then believe that dwarves are fellating unicorns beneath the mountains of the moon? I can neither see that, nor understand how it couold be so...

I didn't know dwarves were into cross specie sex. Gee, you learn something new every day.

552 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:44:57pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

"If you find me a cause of death, I will give you a Kierkegaard t-shirt."

Heh ... find me the exact quote (a slap against Hegel) re the philosopher building a magnificent edifice, but living in the dog kennel outside its gate ... and I will kiss your feet! I lost it, and have been looking for it for some time.

553 DistantThunder  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:06pm

Ignorance spreads lies

Puddle of Mudd - Drift and Die

554 SWPaul  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:24pm

OT: Did anyone else see the Pelosi monster on TV today? She scares the hell out of me.

555 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:32pm

re: #524 Inquisitive

If YOU need an answer to your question to Sharmuta.....see my post #227

I am not trying to start a debate about dogma. Your understanding of Gods laws comes from scripture written by man. Can you guarantee that God said this?

All religions have different Laws that they claim to be from God. This has nothing to do with faith.

Read the topic of this thread. Charles asked a simple question.

Who Has Enough Faith to Believe We Came from a Monkey?'

Faith by definition is belief without proof.

Can any of you answer this? I did

556 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:39pm

re: #548 albusteve

oh fer gods sake....hahaha

:)

557 DistantThunder  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:42pm

re: #553 DistantThunder

Ignorance spreads lies

Puddle of Mudd - Drift and Die

558 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:46pm

re: #444 iam7545

Read Shramutas posts. Faith would cause us to not ask questions regarding proof or second hand info regarding God.

DO you have his web address?

So you consider the unwillingness to strive to remedy one's ignorance about matters of ultimate concern to be a virtue?

559 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:56pm

re: #533 lobo91

He could, but why would he come out against his base like that?

He wouldn't frame it as turning on his base, but rather in his messianic role (yuck, but I'd be trying to sell it to him): Leading his people into a brighter future.

560 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:45:57pm

What this thread needs is some music to lighten it up

561 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:01pm

O/T, I guess.

Man. I am sick and tired of my contemporaries in my industry telling me they are so happy about their overseas trips and how people are "thumbs upping" americans about Obama.

I don't want to rain on their parades, but I often will say "our enemies are just as happy," and their hearts sink.

It's like telling a 4 year-old there is no santa. I can't do it anymore.

562 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:01pm

re: #518 iam7545

Why do you put words in my mouth again? Are you part of the tag team?

Show me where I said that.

Your friend is simply confused about what faith is.

I did not write the dictionary

No. 384: You are not expressing faith, you are mind bending your UNDERSTANDING of God. If you had faith your posts would look different.

Your words, not mine.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:16pm

re: #552 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh ... find me the exact quote (a slap against Hegel) re the philosopher building a magnificent edifice, but living in the dog kennel outside its gate ... and I will kiss your feet! I lost it, and have been looking for it for some time.

Oh Lord, I'm just quoting TV shows, I don't know! If I see it, I'll give a yell.

564 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:50pm

re: #535 ploome hineni

stop wasting your time

seeing you try to reason with people who are unable to comprehend is making me NERVOUS

I was just about to mention you. I believe your contention about contentiousness is correct.

565 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:46:56pm

re: #534 Salamantis

At the quantum scale, particle-antiparticle pairs randomly pop into and out of existence all the time. Einstein himself studied Brownian motion, which is random, and lost his argument for determinism with Feynmann. And both chemicals and radiation can cause genomic mutations to happen, but where in the genome they happen is entirely random.

Or else you're gonna have to explain how a particular environment knows how to reach inside an organism's genome and tweak a specific codon in a specific way. Good luck with that.

Be careful not to reify the randomness into a magic force - it's not right and it's not necessary.

566 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:11pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I didn't know dwarves were into cross specie sex. Gee, you learn something new every day.

The unicorns had slipped them roofies. It's all right there in the Moon Bible.

567 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:13pm

re: #554 SWPaul

OT: Did anyone else see the Pelosi monster on TV today? She scares the hell out of me.

No, thank God. I didn't watch TV all day. Now I'm watching the 1970 Who concert on VH1C.

568 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:21pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I didn't know dwarves were into cross specie sex. Gee, you learn something new every day.

I thought dwarves were into elves. At least- that's the impression I got from Gimli.

569 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:38pm

re: #542 Salamantis

Sala - Faith. The question is what you have faith in - not what you believe.

570 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:41pm

re: #542 Salamantis

Can I then believe that dwarves are fellating unicorns beneath the mountains of the moon? I can neither see that, nor understand how it couold be so...

Being a dwarf I take offense.

571 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:47:56pm

My 5 year old just yelled "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!" as she flying tackled her 7 year old sister off the couch, then ran nekkid down the hall.

That'll happen, I guess.

572 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:48:36pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

I thought dwarves were into elves. At least- that's the impression I got from Gimli.

If you are as cute as your avatar... big cuddle and kiss.

573 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:48:48pm

re: #571 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My 5 year old just yelled "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!" as she flying tackled her 7 year old sister off the couch, then ran nekkid down the hall.

That'll happen, I guess.

It happens, yes.

574 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:05pm

re: #555 iam7545

If YOU need an answer to your question to Sharmuta.....see my post #227

I am not trying to start a debate about dogma. Your understanding of Gods laws comes from scripture written by man. Can you guarantee that God said this?

All religions have different Laws that they claim to be from God. This has nothing to do with faith.

Read the topic of this thread. Charles asked a simple question.


Faith by definition is belief without proof.

Can any of you answer this? I did

The last time I heard stuff like this was in a freshman-level Introduction to Philosophy class.

575 Randall Gross  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:16pm

re: #555 iam7545

If YOU need an answer to your question to Sharmuta.....see my post #227

I am not trying to start a debate about dogma. Your understanding of Gods laws comes from scripture written by man. Can you guarantee that God said this?

All religions have different Laws that they claim to be from God. This has nothing to do with faith.

Read the topic of this thread. Charles asked a simple question.


Faith by definition is belief without proof.

Can any of you answer this? I did


Charles didn't ask that; the letter writer did. Please re-read the damned post and come back to the conversation when you have a clue about what you are talking about.

576 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:21pm

re: #572 Walter L. Newton

If you are as cute as your avatar... big cuddle and kiss.

and if not?

577 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:38pm
578 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:42pm

re: #550 Jimmah

Ah...Machiavelli (never read him, but I hear he's popular with the mafia) Anyway, my point wasn't about free will, but about God's biblical displays of surprise and anger being at odds with the idea of his omniscience.

So maybe God *knows*, but he's play-acting for effect cuz *we* don't know and seem to need some extra motivation now and again.

579 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:49:53pm

re: #555 iam7545

Charles asked a simple question.
"Who has enough faith to believe we came from a monkey?"

This was not a question from Charles, but came from Donnie Brown. Because Donnie has not learned enough biology, he finds it a sensible question.

580 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:01pm

This former Alter Boy humbly submits this for your listening pleasure.....

581 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:04pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh Lord, I'm just quoting TV shows, I don't know! If I see it, I'll give a yell.

Sorry. My bad. I haven't watched TV in ages, so I didn't pick up on it.

582 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:09pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

I thought dwarves were into elves. At least- that's the impression I got from Gimli.

Tolkien should have run with this...oh well

583 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:26pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

He wouldn't frame it as turning on his base, but rather in his messianic role (yuck, but I'd be trying to sell it to him): Leading his people into a brighter future.

You're actually assuming that he believes his own rhetoric, though.

I harbor no such assumptions. He's a Chicago politician. His only interest is in what will help him gain/maintain power.

He (and his party) has a vested interest in a large segment of the population remaining ignorant.

584 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:50pm

Now I'm watching the show on Air Force One, about the trip when Bush went to Iraq to have Thanksgiving dinner. I just can't see the 0ne doing that.

585 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:50:53pm

re: #569 iam7545

Sala - Faith. The question is what you have faith in - not what you believe.

Of course, the hebrew and greek scriptures have been written by man, so they are not the final truth, is that correct, according to your understanding.

586 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:18pm

re: #571 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My 5 year old just yelled "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!" as she flying tackled her 7 year old sister off the couch, then ran nekkid down the hall.

That'll happen, I guess.

Your 5-year-old "Calvin" is a girl?

587 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:34pm

What we all fail to realize is God just created the universe about 5 minutes ago and every memory we think we have were all just placed their in accordance with his will.

Prove me wrong. Fuck this 5000 year old nonsense, prove its not 5 minutes old. I'd like to see an IDiot argue that.

588 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:52pm

re: #572 Walter L. Newton

Not sure about cute, but some LGFers have seen a pic of me and say I'm pretty.

589 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:51:57pm

re: #371 astronmr20

Now Obama wants to ban space weapons?!

Fuck that, we need those weapons! Space is dangerous. You can't fight off space with nothing but unicorns and rainbows! WTF?

/wait, what?

590 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:12pm

re: #575 Thanos

Charles didn't ask that; the letter writer did. Please re-read the damned post and come back to the conversation when you have a clue about what you are talking about.

*rimshot*

591 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:29pm

re: #574 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The last time I heard stuff like this was in a freshman-level Introduction to Philosophy class.

I remember sitting there in class... the pre...uh 'teacher'...saying, "How do you know that this isn't a dream?"

Trying to be all mystifying and cool.

I went online and looked at the missing money in my account that paid for the class I was forced to take to be a 'well rounded' student for the 'social good' and wished that it really was a dream...

592 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:32pm

re: #555 iam7545

If YOU need an answer to your question to Sharmuta.....see my post #227

I am not trying to start a debate about dogma. Your understanding of Gods laws comes from scripture written by man. Can you guarantee that God said this?

All religions have different Laws that they claim to be from God. This has nothing to do with faith.

Read the topic of this thread. Charles asked a simple question.

Faith by definition is belief without proof.

Can any of you answer this? I did

Yes....you answered the question of faith.... PER TOPIC.....but in your post to Sharmuta you asked about God's promises and laws.....which I answered with my post #227.......You do know sometimes these threads do lead to other discussions and do not always stay right on TOPIC.....

593 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:34pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Not sure about cute, but some LGFers have seen a pic of me and say I'm pretty.

Gee, some Lizards have all the fun.

594 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:52:41pm

re: #586 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Your 5-year-old "Calvin" is a girl?

2 girls, 18 months apart

595 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:05pm

re: #147 Abu Al-Poopypants

I dunno why these creationists have such a hard time believing in evolution.

I mean, it's pretty obvious. It's almost like looking in a mirror.

Ok, just where did you get my picture, huh? ;)

596 SWPaul  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:18pm

re: #567 NJDhockeyfan

Sweeeet. In fact I think I'll put on some Who. Sounds awesome.

597 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:24pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

I thought dwarves were into elves. At least- that's the impression I got from Gimli.

I've come across people on the net who state quite matter of factly that they are elves. One has to hope they are just more than usually deluded hippies, and not some new species of 'furry'.

598 Universalgeni  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:25pm

It always irritates me when people get it wrong: monkeys and humans came from common ancestor. Science never claimed that humans descended from monkeys.

Religious people have their own institutions: churches. They can teach creationism there. Science also have their institutions: schools. That is where science is taught.

Two facts that creationists never get right...

599 winston06  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:53:29pm

I am being dinged down by some people whom I think might be creationists. They're showing their true colors here

600 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:02pm

Good evening all - I see we're still where we always seem to wind up on these threads.
Charles has said, and I believe in it even if Charles didn't say it, that one can have faith in God and still believe in Evolution.
Well I believe in God, and - in my case - that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. I also believe in Evolution and I DON'T WANT RELIGION TAUGHT IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PERIOD.
Now I freely admit that it's been a looong time since I was in High School, but I do remember that we didn't have any "electives" such as philosophy or comparative religions. If in fact public High Schools do have such course, then fine, teach YEC or ID in those classes but I otherwise believe that religion ought not be taught in public schools as part of a SCIENCE curriculum.
Now I admit to being biased here, but the statements I made in this comment seem relatively straight forward to me and don't understand why we have so much bullshit, name calling, ad hominen attacks on these threads. I just don't get it.

601 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:04pm

re: #561 astronmr20

Man. I am sick and tired of my contemporaries in my industry telling me they are so happy about their overseas trips and how people are "thumbs upping" americans about Obama.

I don't want to rain on their parades, but I often will say "our enemies are just as happy," and their hearts sink.

One nice thing about the Army is that that situation rarely comes up where I work.

602 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:04pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Not sure about cute, but some LGFers have seen a pic of me and say I'm pretty.

I'm not talking about physical looks. You're so dead on with your comments, you are as cute as they come.

603 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:07pm

re: #595 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, just where did you get my picture, huh? ;)

Umm, the Post office...:)

604 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:15pm

re: #583 lobo91

You're actually assuming that he believes his own rhetoric, though.

I harbor no such assumptions. He's a Chicago politician. His only interest is in what will help him gain/maintain power.

He (and his party) has a vested interest in a large segment of the population remaining ignorant.

Probably true. I'm only saying what he should do, not what he will do. And you right about one thing: Barack Obama is the biggest political chameleon to come out of Chicago since Big Bill Thompson.

605 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:19pm

re: #587 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What we all fail to realize is God just created the universe about 5 minutes ago and every memory we think we have were all just placed their in accordance with his will.

Prove me wrong. Fuck this 5000 year old nonsense, prove its not 5 minutes old. I'd like to see an IDiot argue that.

Nah, we're just the simulation, if it ever looks like we're going to work out, then God *will* finally construct the universe, dinosaur bones and all.

606 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:20pm

re: #584 Kosh's Shadow

Now I'm watching the show on Air Force One, about the trip when Bush went to Iraq to have Thanksgiving dinner. I just can't see the 0ne doing that.

The show on the History Channel about it showed them visiting Africa.

607 jaunte  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:27pm

re: #598 Universalgeni

"I didn't come from no common ancestor" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

608 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:30pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Not sure about cute, but some LGFers have seen a pic of me and say I'm pretty.

Yeah, but the blue skin does reveal a serious oxygen deficiency.

/blonde hair's gorgeous

609 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:49pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, Walter.

610 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:54:52pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Not sure about cute, but some LGFers have seen a pic of me and say I'm pretty.

I consider myself handsome and dashing...slayer of the weaker sex indeed...annonimity is a cool thing sometimes!

611 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:00pm

re: #591 Oh no...Sand People!

I remember sitting there in class... the pre...uh 'teacher'...saying, "How do you know that this isn't a dream?"

Trying to be all mystifying and cool.

I went online and looked at the missing money in my account that paid for the class I was forced to take to be a 'well rounded' student for the 'social good' and wished that it really was a dream...

LOL!

612 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:11pm

ROFLMAO!

613 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:29pm

re: #597 Jimmah

I've come across people on the net who state quite matter of factly that they are elves. One has to hope they are just more than usually deluded hippies, and not some new species of 'furry'.

Well, if we're going down to crude stuff in this thread, from Bored of the Rings:
I sit on the floor and think of dirty things
Of deviant dwarves who suck their toes
and elves who drub their dings.

That's all I remember of this little ditty, sung by Dildo Bugger.

614 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:43pm

re: #509 iam7545

How do you know what Gods promises and laws are?

Can you answer that one?

believers usually refer to their holy scriptures to answer that one.

615 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:58pm
616 basser  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:55:58pm

re: #598 Universalgeni
What common ancestor would that be - dust of the earth?

617 iam7545  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:12pm

re: #577 ploome hineni

Hey - i can see that some here are wound a little too tight - I mean after 38,000 posts one would think that they would have learned to be civil.

Apparently not

618 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:20pm

re: #599 winston06

I am being dinged down by some people whom I think might be creationists. They're showing their true colors here

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

619 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:22pm

re: #517 avanti

OK, a question that always bothered me about a omniscient God.
If God knows all things throughout time, as he must, if he is omniscient, then he knows every action I perform, every decision I make throughout my life, before I have done them. If God knows exactly what I am going to do, then it's out of my control. i.e. HE knows if I'll be saved or damned to hell.
HE knows I'm going to post this to LGF, I can't help myself.


Not necessarily. How about this: your life unfolds decision by decision, free will wall to wall.

In time, even your fellow humans will know most of how it turned out. You will know more. And God will know all.

But wait. He's not bounded by time. "In time" is meaningless. So He knows "now".

620 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:32pm

re: #599 winston06

I am being dinged down by some people whom I think might be creationists. They're showing their true colors here

I just dinged you down because you've acted like an utter asshole today.

621 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:33pm

re: #615 ploome hineni

if we are real quiet and very lucky,maybe they will take it to private email

Or at least go into the lounge.

622 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:48pm

Now what happened to Iam? I ask a single question, based on something he mentioned upthread, and he runs away.

I'll try again. I'll word it differently.

Do you consider the greek and hebrew scriptures as being the word of God, without fault, and the means to faith?

623 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:56:57pm

re: #617 iam7545

Where have I been uncivil?

624 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:21pm
625 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:34pm

Dinosaur hunter on theft charge

THE cut-throat world of US dinosaur hunting has been rocked by a scandal over the fossilised remains of a raptor known as Sid Vicious.

One of the best-known paleontologists prospecting across the fossil-rich ranches of the Great Plains is facing a potential jail sentence for allegedly stealing a historic find that one of his colleagues has since nicknamed a "kleptoraptor".

The row over Sid Vicious has shaken the digging community of northern Montana, which forms part of the so-called Hell Creek geological formation that has provided a long list of important dinosaur discoveries.

It has raised difficult questions about fossil rights and the fraught relationship between academic researchers and commercial hunters seeking to make their fortune in a multi-million-dollar dinosaur industry.

One of the most successful amateur diggers has long been Nathan Murphy, who made headlines around the world in 2001 after he excavated a 77million-year-old mummified duckbill dinosaur - later named Leonardo - that turned out to be one of the best-preserved fossils found.

As the self-styled director of vertebrate paleontology at the Judith River Dinosaur Institute - a private business he founded in 1993 - Mr Murphy made deals with Montana ranchers who allowed him to dig on their land in exchange for a share ofthe profits from any significant finds.

Over the past decade, ranchers and commercial diggers have profited from a boom in both collectors seeking original fossils and museums seeking high-quality replicas of newly discovered dinosaurs.

Prices at auction rocketed as Hollywood stars and hedge fund billionaires joined the bidding.

I need to start digging in my backyard.

626 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:37pm

re: #617 iam7545

Hey - i can see that some here are wound a little too tight - I mean after 38,000 posts one would think that they would have learned to be civil.

Apparently not

I'll try again. I'll word it differently.

Do you consider the greek and hebrew scriptures as being the word of God, without fault, and the means to faith?

627 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:57pm

Bill Bailey's Chris De Burgh 'tribute':

Beautiful ladies in danger

628 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:57pm

re: #612 Racer X

ROFLMAO!


Dildo Bugger?....drink!

629 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:57:57pm

well, to quote Ambrose Bierce:
"IDIOT: a member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. the idiot's activity is not confined to any special field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole." he has the last word in everything; his decision is unappealable.he sets the fashion and opinion of taste,dictates the limitations of speech and circumscribes conduct with a dead-line."
and
Evangelist: a bearer of good tidings,particularly [in a religious sense] such as assure us of our own salvation and the damnation of our neighbors."

combine the two and you have jindal.

630 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:12pm

re: #617 iam7545

apparently not

631 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:14pm

re: #624 ploome hineni

as I said.....you have to know when to fold them
/those two are fucking assholes

Do me a little favor, what two. I need names lady.

632 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:23pm
633 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:28pm

re: #617 iam7545

Why don't you answer my No. 562? I fed you your own words.

634 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:58:59pm

re: #617 iam7545

Hey - i can see that some here are wound a little too tight - I mean after 38,000 posts one would think that they would have learned to be civil.

Apparently not

civility is way over rated...yo mama wears combat boots...

635 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:59:05pm

re: #633 MandyManners

Why don't you answer my No. 562? I fed you your own words.

He also won't answer this...

"Do you consider the greek and hebrew scriptures as being the word of God, without fault, and the means to faith?"

636 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 8:59:11pm

re: #599 winston06

I am being dinged down by some people whom I think might be creationists. They're showing their true colors here

Nahh ,, I did just ,, well,,, because!

(well ,, that and your disengenuous debate techniques from earlier)

637 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:00:18pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

He also won't answer this...

"Do you consider the greek and hebrew scriptures as being the word of God, without fault, and the means to faith?"

Your post is a tad more involved than mine.

638 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:00:26pm

re: #634 albusteve
And yo daddy wears high heels!

639 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:01:00pm

OK, here is my take on the subject, many of the assertions of evolutionary theory cannot and should not be denied. The evidence is too strong, and until we have a better explanation about the origins of life then we should go with the idea that generally the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation.
I believe the Bible teaches us about what God expectation of us. The Bible says: "He has shown you O man, what is good, and what does the Lord expect of you but to do justice, love kindness and walk humbly with thy God."
The truths in the Bible about getting along, like the ten commandments and the simplified explanations regarding the development of life ignores strict strict chronology to tell a story to unsophisticated people.
Science and Bible Theology are opposite sides of the same coin, they look different, but they reveal the truth from different directions.
The Scriptures should not be taught as scientific truth, nor should Science be the only explanation of how humans beings should relate to one another and everything in the universe.

640 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:01:03pm

re: #633 MandyManners

Why don't you answer my No. 562? I fed you your own words.

Sharm's the target because iam7545 feels superior to her.
He/she has studiously avoided my comments too.

641 astronmr20  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:01:31pm

re: #638 realwest

And yo daddy wears high heels!

Hey real,

Hope you're feelin alright tonight.

642 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:01:49pm

re: #640 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sharm's the target because iam7545 feels superior to her.
He/she has studiously avoided my comments too.

And mine.

643 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:01:58pm

re: #574 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The last time I heard stuff like this was in a freshman-level Introduction to Philosophy class.

Yup, and it was equally as boring/ignorant/appalling even then.

644 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:02:09pm

re: #628 albusteve

Dildo Bugger?....drink!

Bored of the Rings is Harvard Lampoon's Lord of the Rings parody.
Bilbo Baggins becomes Dildo Bugger.
Frodo is Frito; Merry and Pippin are Moxie and Pepsi; Sam is Spam.
There is also Goodgulf the Wizard, Arrowroot son of Arrowshirt; Bromosel; Legolam, and they all do battle with Sorhed and his narcs.

I was reminded of it a few days ago. Hilarious. They even put down hippies, in the person of Tim Benzedrine (and his chick, Hashberry).

645 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:02:29pm

Hey, iam, meet Winston.

*snicker*

646 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:02:38pm

re: #641 astronmr20
Hey thanks, yes I'm feeling ok, thanks. How are you doing?

647 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:02:39pm

re: #642 Walter L. Newton

And mine.

AND Walter's!

648 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:03:05pm

re: #645 MandyManners

Hey, iam, meet Winston.

*snicker*

GGAAAKK ,, ya want me to put a bullet into my brain!?!?

649 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:03:09pm

re: #647 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AND Walter's!

AND MY AXE!

Oops. got all LotR there

650 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:03:39pm

re: #647 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I asked him/her a couple questions too, but all I got was another question.

651 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AND MY AXE!

Oops. got all LotR there

LOL!

652 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:04:03pm

re: #632 ploome hineni

I think we're talking about two different things.

I'm gonna leave it at that.

653 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LMAO!

654 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:04:18pm

re: #638 realwest

And yo daddy wears high heels!

you noticed?....does this lipstick match my hose?

655 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:04:33pm

re: #610 albusteve

I consider myself handsome and dashing...slayer of the weaker sex indeed...annonimity is a cool thing sometimes!

I didn't realize you prefered men.

656 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:04:37pm

re: #648 sattv4u2

GGAAAKK ,, ya want me to put a bullet into my brain!?!?

Get those two going at each other and the rest of us could ignore them.

657 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:04:53pm

re: #649 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AND Kragar's!

and EVVVVVVERYONE ELSE'S ... !
/sheesh, did I leave anyone out?!
... :D

658 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:05:48pm

Watching Hot Fuzz, great movie

659 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:06:07pm

re: #644 Kosh's Shadow

Bored of the Rings is Harvard Lampoon's Lord of the Rings parody.
Bilbo Baggins becomes Dildo Bugger.
Frodo is Frito; Merry and Pippin are Moxie and Pepsi; Sam is Spam.
There is also Goodgulf the Wizard, Arrowroot son of Arrowshirt; Bromosel; Legolam, and they all do battle with Sorhed and his narcs.

I was reminded of it a few days ago. Hilarious. They even put down hippies, in the person of Tim Benzedrine (and his chick, Hashberry).


I've heard refences through the years but never read it...sounds hilarious...I love a good spoof

660 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:06:14pm

re: #610 albusteve

I consider myself handsome and dashing...slayer of the weaker sex indeed...annonimity is a cool thing sometimes!


Come on don't you know that this is the internet, every man is a millionaire, drives a Porche and lives in a mansion and every woman could be a playboy centerfold with an IQ of at least 150.

661 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:06:20pm

re: #654 albusteve Hey, ya know I didn't even notice, was just continuing with what we used to call "raggin" on someone back in Jr. High School.
But now that you mention it, your lipstick does match your hose, but the hose doesn't match the combat boots!

662 Desert Dog  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:06:30pm

re: #658 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watching Hot Fuzz, great movie

Saw Gran Torino last night....that is a good movie too....seen it yet?

663 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:06:32pm
664 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:06:51pm

re: #658 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watching Hot Fuzz, great movie

Sounds like a pr0n flick.

665 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:17pm

re: #658 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watching Hot Fuzz, great movie

Watching History's Raiders; Norwegian raiders destroy a Nazi factory where Hilter was developing the atomic bomb

666 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:28pm

re: #660 shanec99

Come on don't you know that this is the internet, every man is a millionaire, drives a Porche and lives in a mansion and every woman could be a playboy centerfold with an IQ of at least 150.

167

667 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:34pm

re: #650 Sharmuta

I asked him/her a couple questions too, but all I got was another question.

You, m'dear, are merely the vehicle which iam7545 is using to try to prove his/her ... *shrug* ... whatever.

/*yawn* ... it's young ... very young, whatever it's age

668 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:36pm

re: #664 Racer X

Sounds like a pr0n flick.

No, that will be later

669 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:47pm

re: #627 Jimmah

Ok - video embedding disabled by request - lets try a different video of the same thing:

Bill Bailey - 'tribute' to Chris De Burgh - Beautiful ladies in danger

Working! Must remember to use preview on these video posts.

670 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:50pm

re: #666 Sharmuta

Hooray! I got the devil post! :D

671 zombie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:07:53pm
#346 path

Zombie - I've been a Christian for a very long time now and have never before heard this...Christians are told to "pray in the closet" and also to go out and evangelize.

#355 ploome hineni

Matthew 6:6 (King James Version)

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Thank you ploome.

Here's the full contradiction:

Matthew 6:6:

"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

Contrast that with:

The Biblical Basis for Evangelism

...with many quotes and citations about "spreading the word of God."

I'm quite surprised that you've never heard of this contradiction. It's one of the most famous ones.

In case you didn't know, there is an entire field of study about irreconcilable contradictions in the Bible. There are thousands upon thousands of them.

672 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:08:22pm

re: #662 Desert Dog

Saw Gran Torino last night....that is a good movie too....seen it yet?

Nah, busy at work and haven't gotten to see any theater movies lately

673 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:08:26pm

re: #666 Sharmuta

167

Speaking of 167, there has been a dearth of 'mensa' people posting...or they just got the hint to hide it.

674 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:08:36pm

re: #647 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AND Walter's!

Ok, I'm going to let the cat out of the bag and explain why I asked this... "Do you consider the greek and hebrew scriptures as being the word of God, without fault, and the means to faith?"

I asked that because Iam7545 mentioned in a post above...

"Your understanding of Gods laws comes from scripture written by man. Can you guarantee that God said this?"

Iam7545 mentions that God is the Ain Sof Ohr, which basically translates to "Endless Light."

Now, Iam7545 put little "faith" in the "scripture written by man" as he/she states above, but the concept of the Ain Sof Ohr comes from the Kabbalahic writings of men, Rabbi's, the pen of men.

So, I wonder how he can make statement like he does, when it is evident that the "truth" that he has come to has come from the pen of ordinary men.

Hmmmmmm.

675 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:08:36pm

re: #660 shanec99
Hey shanec99 - I didn't realize that! I thought everyone told the absolute unvarnished truth on the Internet!
How are ya doing - and hey, what time is it where you are?

676 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:08:40pm

re: #661 realwest

Hey, ya know I didn't even notice, was just continuing with what we used to call "raggin" on someone back in Jr. High School.
But now that you mention it, your lipstick does match your hose, but the hose doesn't match the combat boots!

good point...I have a pot belly so it's hard to tell...thanks for being discrete tho

677 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:08:45pm

Can't we all just get a bong?

678 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:09:20pm

Wow, the Obama moon must have set. The mood on this site seems to have improved.

679 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:09:23pm

re: #666 Sharmuta

167

Good memory you have there.

680 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:09:25pm

re: #677 Racer X

Can't we all just get a bong?

How's that going to help Michelles children?!?!?!

681 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:09:29pm

re: #660 shanec99

Come on don't you know that this is the internet, every man is a millionaire, drives a Porche and lives in a mansion and every woman could be a playboy centerfold with an IQ of at least 150.


everybody here knows my IQ is 167

682 zombie  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:09:48pm

re: #666 Sharmuta

re: #670 Sharmuta

Hooray! I got the devil post! :D

Believe it or not: I am wathcing "The Omen" right now!

The whole thing is about 666.

683 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:03pm

re: #681 albusteve

everybody here knows my IQ is 167

You forgot the decimal point again.

684 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:14pm

re: #681 albusteve

everybody here knows my IQ is 16.7

HEy ,,, thats 10 points higher thqan MINE ,, so no bitchin!

685 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:15pm

re: #673 Oh no...Sand People!

Speaking of 167, there has been a dearth of 'mensa' people posting...or they just got the hint to hide it.

Me smart, its obviouse.

686 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:20pm

re: #665 sattv4u2
"Norwegian raiders destroy a Nazi factory" ah, a fantasy flick, eh? What's the name of it?

687 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:22pm

re: #681 albusteve


too slow...

688 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:27pm

re: #682 zombie

re: #670 Sharmuta

Believe it or not: I am wathcing "The Omen" right now!

The whole thing is about 666.

Do you know who 667 is? He's the neighbor of the beast.

689 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:28pm

re: #660 shanec99

Come on don't you know that this is the internet, every man is a millionaire, drives a Porche and lives in a mansion and every woman could be a playboy centerfold with an IQ of at least 150.

Hah! On the internet, no one knows you're a dog.
Woof!

Sorry, just got back and I think one of my poodles was at the keyboard.

690 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:29pm

re: #666 Sharmuta

167

Was that not the claimed IQ of some banned troll one night about a year ago?

691 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:30pm

The latest (I think) news is a pierolapithecus catalaunicus found in Spain about five years ago - puts the last common ancestor of great apes and humans at about 13 million years ago.

And yes, I did cut and past that name. :D

692 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:10:35pm

re: #682 zombie

re: #670 Sharmuta


Believe it or not: I am wathcing "The Omen" right now!

The whole thing is about 666.

ALL FOR YOU, DAMIEN! IT'S ALL FOR YOU!

693 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:09pm
694 Opilio  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:11pm

re: #660 shanec99

Come on don't you know that this is the internet, every man is a millionaire, drives a Porche and lives in a mansion and every woman could be a playboy centerfold with an IQ of at least 150.

Or 167.

695 LEGION  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:15pm

re: #672 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yepper- Gran Torino was good- but it was scary hearing Clint sing during the closing credits. Curse at 'em and pump bullets into them Clint- don't sing!

696 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:16pm

re: #679 MandyManners

I'm never forgetting that one and the theory she had that the root cause of terrorism is testosterone. That was classic.

697 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:25pm

re: #603 Dustyvet

Umm, the Post office...:)

Nah, that one at the post office is the ugly one. This is my good looking picture.

698 freedombilly  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:38pm

re: #662 Desert Dog

That was an incredible movie. I have been thinking about it for days since I saw it.

699 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:11:53pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

And what does that mean? It's sort of like Sharmuta said. How about this question "Could god create a ROCK that is so big that even he couldn't move it?" (Hat tip - George Carlin - Class Clown)

Zen God could - and also couldn't. Right, grasshopper? /

700 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:11pm

re: #686 realwest

"Norwegian raiders destroy a Nazi factory" ah, a fantasy flick, eh? What's the name of it?

Its on History International Channel. Hitler was a lot closer to an A bomb than most realized at the time. he was already producing "heavy water" at a factory in Norway

701 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:15pm

re: #690 unrealizedviewpoint

Yep!

702 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:22pm

re: #619 lostlakehiker

Not necessarily. How about this: your life unfolds decision by decision, free will wall to wall.

In time, even your fellow humans will know most of how it turned out. You will know more. And God will know all.

But wait. He's not bounded by time. "In time" is meaningless. So He knows "now".

I thought he "knew" at the moment of creation, he is God after all. If he knew, that it's beyond my control, the script is set and he's just watching it play out.

703 sngnsgt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:42pm

re: #560 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Excellent choice, my only regret is I only have but only one upding to give. Dirk, Lerxt, and Pratt are always a great mood lifter.

704 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:50pm

re: #682 zombie

I keep finding all of the Lord of the Rings jokes funny because I'm in the middle of reading it again.

705 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:53pm

re: #685 itellu3times

Me smart, its obviouse.

The dude with the Elven boots of energy +5 or some other... that cracked. me. up.

706 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:12:56pm

Motel 666 - just look for the burning goat's head down by the highway.
From a short-lived mocking radio ad in the 80s.

707 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:13:20pm

re: #690 unrealizedviewpoint

Was that not the claimed IQ of some banned troll one night about a year ago?

I beleive it was what someone in the MSM started spreading what BHO's IQ is during the campaign

708 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:13:24pm

re: #683 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You forgot the decimal point again.

that was fun that night...I can never remember the other part of her rant....something about eating lesser people for lunch or some othe rmetaphorical type of brag....

709 Teh Flowah  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:13:42pm

Misunderstanding of scientific word "theory" - Check
Misunderstanding of human evolutionary ancestry - Check
Equation of God with Christian God and Christian Bible - Check

Well the big three were hit.

I'm always amazed by the number of people who think that God truly cares so much about the tiny details of everyday human events that he would seek to alter the state of the economy in one state. That's not even how God operates. Is the relationship with God in the Bible one of faith on earth = rewards on earth? Many true and faithful Christians were met with horrible fates as martyrs. They didn't believe because they were so shallow to think that God would give them money...

These people are idiots through and through. They don't understand science, they don't understand God, they don't understand anything.

710 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:13:46pm

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

(-:
hmmmmmmmmmm indeed!

I would have learned nothing except by first having had my eyes opened and ears tuned by the writings of men.

Perhaps iam7545 thinks he has a pipeline to the infinite?

711 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:13:52pm

re: #699 Catttt

Zen God could - and also couldn't. Right, grasshopper? /

Right (and wrong)

712 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:13:53pm

re: #704 Sharmuta

I keep finding all of the Lord of the Rings jokes funny because I'm in the middle of reading it again.

Have you seen the catapult gif?

713 LEGION  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:14:01pm

re: #700 sattv4u2

Its on History International Channel. Hitler was a lot closer to an A bomb than most realized at the time. he was already producing "heavy water" at a factory in Norway

Little know fact- the Japanese were working on the bomb also!

714 Opilio  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:14:04pm

re: #694 Opilio

Or 167.

Day late, dollar short yet again...

715 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:14:15pm

What's odd about all this hubbub about Louisiana and intelligent design stuff, it hasn't made the news at all in the Times. No one mentions it on talk radio. I don't think its as big a deal as Charles thinks it is. From what I think, this is for small towns as no one in New Orleans or other bigger cities has any idea it could be taught in schools. I'm thinking perhaps the private Catholic schools might take the bait for a green light, but not even people I know who teach in public schools here have mentioned this. Sounds like bigger headlines than what is happening in real life. Don't worry about this one, at least not yet. Small potatoes.

The issue people are most concerned about in Louisiana is crime. And anyhow, as for these small towns that want to teach whatever, its not that big of a deal because these people NEVER leave those small towns. They stay to themselves and never even go as far as New Orleans, as far as I've heard on the talk shows, anywhere outside of their towns is Sinville. lol

716 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:14:50pm

re: #690 unrealizedviewpoint

Was that not the claimed IQ of some banned troll one night about a year ago?

Interesting: Most IQ measures have a scale: average is 100 with a standard deviation of 15. Statistically you cannot exceed 5 Stand. Dev. So the Absolute maximum is 165.

/smartass

717 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:14:53pm

re: #713 LEGION

Little know fact- the Japanese were working on the bomb also!

Thank God after the war in Europe, OUR German scientists were better than Russias or Japans !

718 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:15:14pm

re: #696 Sharmuta

I'm never forgetting that one and the theory she had that the root cause of terrorism is testosterone. That was classic.


that's was it!...good memory...she hated men to if I recall, or something to that effect

719 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:15:25pm

re: #704 Sharmuta

I keep finding all of the Lord of the Rings jokes funny because I'm in the middle of reading it again.

"Kodak khaki nodoze!" cried Gimlet.
"A Dristan nasograph!" shouted Legolam.

720 Racer X  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #690 unrealizedviewpoint

Was that not the claimed IQ of some banned troll one night about a year ago?

Sardine?

721 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:15:41pm

re: #712 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have you seen the catapult gif?

No. Only the dogapult gif.

722 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:15:48pm

re: #707 sattv4u2

I beleive it was what someone in the MSM started spreading what BHO's IQ is during the campaign

No- it's a long running joke about a banned troll who bragged of her 167 IQ, and she was stuck as a master of three dimensional chess in a two dimensional checkers world.

723 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:04pm

re: #712 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No! Share?

724 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:12pm

re: #716 Haverwilde

It's late correction that would be 175.

/dumbass

725 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:16pm

re: #673 Oh no...Sand People!

Speaking of 167, there has been a dearth of 'mensa' people posting...or they just got the hint to hide it.

Speaking of Mensa's, they have their own personal ad's looking to breed with other Mensa's. Maybe looking for the coming of homosuperior. :)

726 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:26pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

No- it's a long running joke about a banned troll who bragged of her 167 IQ, and she was stuck as a master of three dimensional chess in a two dimensional checkers world.

ahh ,,, thanks. But I do recall it was "reported" to be BHO's this summer also

727 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:39pm

re: #723 Sharmuta

No! Share?

Tracking it down now.

728 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:44pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

No- it's a long running joke about a banned troll who bragged of her 167 IQ, and she was stuck as a master of three dimensional chess in a two dimensional checkers world.

Yeah, and all of us REAL geniuses here (ahem!) mocked her. Mock, mock, mock.

729 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:16:54pm

re: #720 Racer X

Sardine?

Charlye Satre. I think that's how she spelled it.

730 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:17:19pm

re: #709 Teh Flowah

Misunderstanding of scientific word "theory" - Check
Misunderstanding of human evolutionary ancestry - Check
Equation of God with Christian God and Christian Bible - Check

Well the big three were hit.

I'm always amazed by the number of people who think that God truly cares so much about the tiny details of everyday human events that he would seek to alter the state of the economy in one state. That's not even how God operates. Is the relationship with God in the Bible one of faith on earth = rewards on earth? Many true and faithful Christians were met with horrible fates as martyrs. They didn't believe because they were so shallow to think that God would give them money...

These people are idiots through and through. They don't understand science, they don't understand God, they don't understand anything.

I am seeing an undercurrent beginning where 'religious' people are judging others by the size of their bank account / material possessions. The more you own, the more blessed you are by God. If you have a downturn in your business or if something goes wrong..."Is everything ok in your personal life?" implying that it is due to 'sin' that their business / job / whatever may be failing. Gospel of Finance... drives me batcrazy...

731 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:02pm

re: #710 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(-:
hmmmmmmmmmm indeed!

I would have learned nothing except by first having had my eyes opened and ears tuned by the writings of men.

Perhaps iam7545 thinks he has a pipeline to the infinite?

Which is fine. I am pretty much up on the Ain Sof concept, and if that is what motivates Iam7545 to see his faith in the way he/she does, fine.

But don't put down other Lizards because they turn to the hebrew and greek scriptures, and minimize this books as written by man, when the foundations of his faith itself came from the pen of man and not some navel staring revelation from God.

732 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:03pm

Found it.

The Catapult GIF

BOROMIR FTW!

733 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:05pm

re: #728 Catttt

You and I had fun. Remember her stunning proof to her theory on terrorism was to google "terrorism + testosterone" and link it? Bwaahahahaha!

734 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:11pm

re: #713 LEGION

Little know fact- the Japanese were working on the bomb also!

Some people claim they tested one in Korea, according to a History Channel show I saw a few weeks ago. Given the History Channel also shows things about UFOs, I will consider this possible, but not proven.

735 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:14pm

re: #729 Sharmuta

Charlye Satre. I think that's how she spelled it.

ah!...how do you remember that stuff?...remarkable

736 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:15pm

re: #725 avanti

Speaking of Mensa's, they have their own personal ad's looking to breed with other Mensa's. Maybe looking for the coming of homosuperior. :)

I went to Mensa meetings for while. Dated a nice guy I met there - mathematician at NSA - so it was worth it, but I'm just not a joiner.

737 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:18:38pm

re: #713 LEGION

Little know fact- the Japanese were working on the bomb also!

Exactly.

Obviously well known fact so obvious I can't believe that people deny it even when they say it themselves - the Iranians are working on the bomb also.

738 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:19:09pm

re: #719 itellu3times

"Kodak khaki nodoze!" cried Gimlet.
"A Dristan nasograph!" shouted Legolam.

O Dragonbreath Gilthorpial!

Watch out for the Nozdrul. I think I heard a sheep bleat.

739 Winslow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:19:32pm

Ms. CharlyeSarte

Ms. CharlyeSarte is wicked smart,
And yet she’s all alone.
But have no fear, the culprit’s clear:
That damned Testosterone!

The world’s a mess? Well, let me guess:
The men should all atone.
Except for Galt, it’s all their fault;
That vile Testosterone!

The Muslims call for death to all;
Uniquely murder-prone.
But CharlyeSarte (who’s wicked smart)
Says, “Ban Testosterone!”

740 Maximu§  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:19:35pm

Looking at the kids I see running around now-a-days, a few words from the Bible sure would'nt hurt. I don't want to see a theocracy, but I sure don't want to see an America barren of Faith ether.

741 Opilio  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:19:39pm

re: #716 Haverwilde

Interesting: Most IQ measures have a scale: average is 100 with a standard deviation of 15. Statistically you cannot exceed 5 Stand. Dev. So the Absolute maximum is 165.

Sure you can.

742 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:20:11pm

Weren't the IQ tests mainly given long long ago just to figure out brain function of people with retardation so as to weed them out of schools?

743 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:20:18pm

re: #733 Sharmuta

You and I had fun. Remember her stunning proof to her theory on terrorism was to google "terrorism + testosterone" and link it? Bwaahahahaha!

Ok, I've missed something here. Who is HER?

744 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:20:29pm

re: #733 Sharmuta

You and I had fun. Remember her stunning proof to her theory on terrorism was to google "terrorism + testosterone" and link it? Bwaahahahaha!

Lol! I don't remember the details, but I remember mocking and fun. She really did that? Lol. My Siamese cat knows better than that.

745 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:20:45pm

re: #732 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LMAO! My sides hurt.

746 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:20:48pm

re: #743 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I've missed something here. Who is HER?

She whose name we dare not speak.

747 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:21:10pm

Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. ~Calvin Coolidge

748 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:21:17pm

re: #729 Sharmuta

Charlye Satre. I think that's how she spelled it.

Trolls all about ..and you folks are tracking down year-old banned ones.
/geez

749 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:21:49pm

Re #534:

Or else you're gonna have to explain how a particular environment knows how to reach inside an organism's genome and tweak a specific codon in a specific way. Good luck with that.

That's NOT what happens. The environment doesn't know what the genome is going to do.

What the environment DOES do is to reward or punish various genes. Genes that happen to be a good fit for their environment get rewarded by being more common in the next generation. Mutations that are harmful in a given environment---and that's most of them----get weeded back out.

750 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:21:50pm

re: #697 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, that one at the post office is the ugly one. This is my good looking picture.

Otays...:)

751 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #707 sattv4u2

I beleive it was what someone in the MSM started spreading what BHO's IQ is during the campaign

You can find your IQ by doubling your old Army or Navy general inelegance score. i.e. if the old Navy GCT score was 68, you are a 136. a pre 1980 GCT of 68 gets you a Mensa card.

Mensa

752 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:22:17pm

re: #748 unrealizedviewpoint

Trolls all about ..and you folks are tracking down year-old banned ones.
/geez

A FUN troll. Kind of the cat toy deluxe of trolls.

753 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:22:24pm

re: #735 albusteve

ah!...how do you remember that stuff?...remarkable

Because everytime she comes up, Winslow posts this fantastic poem.

Woot, dere it is!

754 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:22:48pm

re: #748 unrealizedviewpoint

Trolls all about ..and you folks are tracking down year-old banned ones.
/geez

I dont think she was blocked...we're just remembering a good time...are you on Troll Patrol?

755 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:23:08pm

re: #696 Sharmuta

I'm never forgetting that one and the theory she had that the root cause of terrorism is testosterone. That was classic.

Way out of the park........... when you consider terrorism is brought on by menopause........

/oh, so what? you want to argue about FAITH?

756 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:23:19pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

LMAO! My sides hurt.

That was part 2. Here is part 1.

757 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:23:24pm

re: #739 Winslow

Love it every time you post it.

758 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:24:05pm

re: #736 Catttt

I went to Mensa meetings for while. Dated a nice guy I met there - mathematician at NSA - so it was worth it, but I'm just not a joiner.

I barely made the cut and got tired of being the dumb guy :)

759 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:24:13pm

re: #757 Sharmuta

Love it every time you post it.

WHO IS HER?

760 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:24:19pm

Lord of the Cock Rings?

761 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:25:16pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

LMAO! My sides hurt.

Wellll, ... in THAT case ... keep an eye out for my next one.
I just checked iam7545's score.

762 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:25:22pm

re: #671 zombie


1 Don't brag about your praying.
2 Spread the word

Your personal conversation with god is not to be bandied about (look at me! See how pious I am! I'm praying!)

You are to tell others about god, not force them to believe.

This is not one of those contradictions of which you speak.

763 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:25:43pm

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

Charlye Sarte- remembered for her 167 IQ, among other things.

764 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:25:58pm

Mensa is something I don't quite get. If you're honestly that all-fired smart, why don't you have a job where you meet other smart people or something?

I've had people suggest to me that I apply, but they don't say "We do X, and have a good time," they just tell me how GREAT it is to be validated by the Mensa stamp of approval.

765 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:26:00pm
766 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:26:36pm

re: #742 Teacake!

Weren't the IQ tests mainly given long long ago just to figure out brain function of people with retardation so as to weed them out of schools?

They still are being given. Want to come up and see my antique Stanford Benet, or my ancient WISC-R.

To place them in appropriate Classrooms, please.

767 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:26:44pm

re: #700 sattv4u2
Ah the History International Channel - that explains "the Norwegian Raiders" part of it then.
Cause outside of France, I can't really remember any nation that had more "collaborators" with Nazi Germany than did Norway.

768 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:26:48pm

re: #753 Sharmuta

Because everytime she comes up, Winslow posts this fantastic poem.

Woot, dere it is!

Gotta link it.

769 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:26:50pm

re: #688 Walter L. Newton

Wrong. He lives across the street.
668: The neighbor of the beast.

770 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:27:15pm

re: #742 Teacake!

Weren't the IQ tests mainly given long long ago just to figure out brain function of people with retardation so as to weed them out of schools?

Now they're pushing ID onto school boards.

771 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:27:49pm

re: #760 Teacake!

Lord of the Cock Rings?

Its Cock Ring Warehouse!

772 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:28:06pm

re: #754 albusteve

I dont think she was blocked...we're just remembering a good time...are you on Troll Patrol?

No.
But isn't everyone?

773 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:28:10pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Mensa is something I don't quite get. If you're honestly that all-fired smart, why don't you have a job where you meet other smart people or something?

I've had people suggest to me that I apply, but they don't say "We do X, and have a good time," they just tell me how GREAT it is to be validated by the Mensa stamp of approval.

Last Mensa person I knew had a thing for ladies skits and spike heels...Poor Fred!

774 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:28:41pm

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

WHO IS HER?

there is no more to it...her nic was posted

775 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:29:32pm

re: #742 Teacake!

Weren't the IQ tests mainly given long long ago just to figure out brain function of people with retardation so as to weed them out of schools?

I got Stanford-Binetted in fifth grade. They told my parents I was 'gifted', and put me in the 'gifted' program in sixth. It was the worst year of my life, even worse than the year spent working for the mean moonbats. I have considered IQ tests a set-up ever since.

776 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:29:43pm
777 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:29:48pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Mensa is something I don't quite get. If you're honestly that all-fired smart, why don't you have a job where you meet other smart people or something?

I've had people suggest to me that I apply, but they don't say "We do X, and have a good time," they just tell me how GREAT it is to be validated by the Mensa stamp of approval.

According to that link, it looks like I'd qualify based on either my ACT score or my GT score, but I share your view.

If I were going to join anything, it would probably be the VFW or American Legion. At least they have a bar...

778 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:30:46pm

re: #725 avanti

Speaking of Mensa's, they have their own personal ad's looking to breed with other Mensa's. Maybe looking for the coming of homosuperior. :)

Or maybe they were just looking to get laid.

779 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:30:58pm

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) LOL! I'm going to pass that one around to a dirty old lady I know. thanx

780 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:31:06pm

re: #772 unrealizedviewpoint

No.
But isn't everyone?

no...this fixation with trolls is amusing tho...sometimes it reveals more about troll patrolers than the trolls themselves...let them post if they want...Charles takes care of his own business just fine

781 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:31:28pm

re: #767 realwest

Ah the History International Channel - that explains "the Norwegian Raiders" part of it then.
Cause outside of France, I can't really remember any nation that had more "collaborators" with Nazi Germany than did Norway.


Their Gov't ,, yes ,,, Most ordinary citizens ,, not so much !

782 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:31:37pm

re: #778 realwest

Or maybe they were just looking to get laid.

My experience has been the latter, decidedly.

783 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:31:38pm

re: #777 lobo91

According to that link, it looks like I'd qualify based on either my ACT score or my GT score, but I share your view.

If I were going to join anything, it would probably be the VFW or American Legion. At least they have a bar...

I joined a fraternity once. Best two years of my life that I can't remember.

784 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:32:10pm

re: #780 albusteve

no...this fixation with trolls is amusing tho...sometimes it reveals more about troll patrolers than the trolls themselves...let them post if they want...Charles takes care of his own business just fine

Hey, cowboy, you got snow down there tonight?

785 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:32:12pm

re: #766 Haverwilde

They still are being given. Want to come up and see my antique Stanford Benet, or my ancient WISC-R.

To place them in appropriate Classrooms, please.

Goal: To place them into remedial classes, etc. Additional federal funds are derived based upon greater numbers. Also why so many kids are deemed to be ADD & ADHD. Money. And lots of it.

786 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:32:36pm

re: #729 Sharmuta
"Charlye Satre" - I'm pretty sure you're right on the first name, but not so sure on the second.
Geez, she really did like to lecture and put down ALL THE TIME didn't she (or he)?!

787 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:32:56pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Mensa is something I don't quite get. If you're honestly that all-fired smart, why don't you have a job where you meet other smart people or something?

I've had people suggest to me that I apply, but they don't say "We do X, and have a good time," they just tell me how GREAT it is to be validated by the Mensa stamp of approval.

I have a friend that runs a pawn shop and I talked her into taking the Mensa test. She scored a 141, I knew she was bright, but was still surprised me since she was fairly ignorant about the world. I guess she has the horsepower, just lacking the fuel.

788 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:33:07pm

re: #780 albusteve

no...this fixation with trolls is amusing tho...sometimes it reveals more about troll patrolers than the trolls themselves...let them post if they want...Charles takes care of his own business just fine

Charles isn;t here 24/7, but lurkers are. If a "troll" os left to wander unopposed, said lurker could (and has) taken comments by the troll as "look what LGF said"

789 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:33:19pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

But if there are any Wisconsinites there, you may lose. They can make a Cheese Wheel !

I'm originally from Wisconsin, but I can't make a cheese wheel. I missed that day in class. With the cows. On the farm. At the base of the south silo. Behind the barn, where we drank Schlitz.

790 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:33:27pm

re: #783 logboy

I joined a fraternity once. Best two years of my life that I can't remember.

Sounds like the time I spent at Ft Sill in the '80s.

Or so I'm told.

791 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:07pm

re: #776 ploome hineni

It's my understanding that Albert Einstein did NOT take part in the early conceptualizing of the bomb. He didn't grasp it. Others, like Szilard, did, and asked Einstein to write the letter to Roosevelt in order to get the attention of officialdom.

792 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:08pm

re: #789 capitalist piglet

I'm originally from Wisconsin, but I can't make a cheese wheel. I missed that day in class. With the cows. On the farm. At the base of the south silo. Behind the barn, where we drank Schlitz.

Gawd ,, SHLITZ ,,, that takes me back!

793 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:15pm

re: #784 Walter L. Newton

Hey, cowboy, you got snow down there tonight?

no...very pleasant for the last coupla weeks...low to mid 60s...no snow booked that I know of...we like yours tho!...I'm working on my tan

794 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:19pm

re: #768 Catttt

High paw that, yo.

795 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:26pm

re: #778 realwest

Or maybe they were just looking to get laid.

Top Mensa Pick Up Lines

1. "This is your brain. This is your brain on my naked thigh. Any questions?"

2. "Could you help me get this tie tack out of my hand?"

3. "Towards what end does a substantially empathetic demoiselle such as yourself inhabit a locus such as this?"

4. "What say we skip this nerd-fest and hit an all-night symposium on Euclidean Geometry?"

5. "Perchance, would you be inclined to participate, at my domicile, sans apparel, in a modicum of copulation?"

6. "It doesn't take a genius to see how gorgeous you are, but if it did, I'd be overqualified."

7. "You'll have to excuse me -- Your presence excites me beyond all capacity for cognitive discourse."

8. "Vini, Vici, Va-va-va-voom!"

9. "You must be tired, because you've been running quadratic equations through my mind all night."

10. "That tape on your glasses really sets off your eyes."

11. "According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Mechanics, we may already be making love right now."

12. "If I were to mention to you that you have a bellus corpus, would you hold it against me?"

13. "I bet your brain stem reaches almost down to your gluteus maximus."

14. "Ooohh, your IQ is 145? I like 'em dumb and strong!"

15. "By visually measuring the wrinkles in the front of your pants, calculating your body mass based on your height and weight, and dividing that number by your waist size -- I conclude that you have absolutely nothing in your pocket and are, in fact, glad to see me."

16. "Baby, I'll have you barking like a *canis familiaris*."

796 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:27pm

re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist

Gifted classes. Interesting idea, but almost universally rotten implementation. How can a not-very-intelligent teacher keep a group of kids interested? Particularly when 'giftedness' usually comes in odd performance patterns and no two gifted kids are very much alike.

797 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:28pm

re: #786 realwest

"Charlye Satre" - I'm pretty sure you're right on the first name, but not so sure on the second.
Geez, she really did like to lecture and put down ALL THE TIME didn't she (or he)?!

Well Sarte = avant guard musician, turn of the 1900's, Satre = existentialist philosopher.

798 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:49pm

re: #789 capitalist piglet

I'm originally from Wisconsin, but I can't make a cheese wheel. I missed that day in class. With the cows. On the farm. At the base of the south silo. Behind the barn, where we drank Schlitz.

Hey now, I live in WI and I can't stand that cow piss. Although I know people who still drink it.

799 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:56pm

SanFranciscoZionist - its all pretty suspicious. I seem to recall reading somewhere a long time ago that it was to find out who was "retarded" and who was something else. I got the idea it is about brain function and not intelligence, but took on a life of its own. I know a lot of people who are smart but so fucking stupid in the important ways. Seems out of date at any rate.

I'm glad I never asked what mine was, I have no idea. lol

800 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:34:58pm

re: #792 sattv4u2

Gawd ,, SHLITZ ,,, that takes me back!

I'm sorry. : )

801 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:35:19pm

re: #777 lobo91

According to that link, it looks like I'd qualify based on either my ACT score or my GT score, but I share your view.

If I were going to join anything, it would probably be the VFW or American Legion. At least they have a bar...

My VFW has slot machines and cheap beer, and the slot machines are not legal elsewhere in Md.

802 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:36:06pm

re: #780 albusteve

no...this fixation with trolls is amusing tho...sometimes it reveals more about troll patrolers than the trolls themselves...let them post if they want...Charles takes care of his own business just fine

I've been known to utilize the report bat, I mean button, more than once.

803 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:36:26pm

re: #801 avanti

My VFW has slot machines and cheap beer, and the slot machines are not legal elsewhere in Md.

I got news for you, skippy. They're prolly not "legal" at your post, either!

804 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:37:22pm

re: #788 sattv4u2

Charles isn;t here 24/7, but lurkers are. If a "troll" os left to wander unopposed, said lurker could (and has) taken comments by the troll as "look what LGF said"

well that's problematic then isn't it?....I didnt say leave them unopposed...do want you want...I rarely judge, it's an open forum until it isn't

805 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:37:26pm

re: #798 logboy

Hey now, I live in WI and I can't stand that cow piss. Although I know people who still drink it.

I don't even drink beer, to tell you the truth. I never learned to like it, even though I grew up there. I did live a few blocks from the World's Largest Six Pack in my late teens, however.

Maybe it was the smell that turned me off.

806 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:37:44pm

re: #802 unrealizedviewpoint

I've been known to utilize the report bat, I mean button, more than once.

It's there for a reason.

807 Teacake!  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:37:53pm

nite all I think I'll ponder the cock rings just because its not so depressing.

808 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:38:13pm

re: #767 realwest

BTW ,,,

[Link: sonsofnorwayblog.blogspot.com...]

809 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:38:52pm

re: #801 avanti

My VFW has slot machines and cheap beer, and the slot machines are not legal elsewhere in Md.

I've been to the local VFW post in Golden once, but they seem to have an exemption from the state's smoking ban, so that pretty much decided it for me.

810 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:38:59pm

re: #751 avanti
Nah, that can't be right - my old Armym(pre-1980) score was a 145, so that would make me a 290?! No way!
And I didn't see anything in your link about doubling those scores, either.

811 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:39:25pm

BBIAB ,,,, work beckons!

812 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:39:37pm

re: #802 unrealizedviewpoint

I've been known to utilize the report bat, I mean button, more than once.

do it...that's what it's for...it empowers you eh?...just refrain from misuse

813 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:39:48pm
814 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:40:16pm

re: #810 realwest

Nah, that can't be right - my old Armym(pre-1980) score was a 145, so that would make me a 290?! No way!
And I didn't see anything in your link about doubling those scores, either.

With a 290, you wouldn't need a computer. You could beam your thoughts directly onto the server.

815 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:40:19pm

re: #810 realwest

No, you don't double the Army GT score.

816 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:40:24pm

re: #565 itellu3times

Be careful not to reify the randomness into a magic force - it's not right and it's not necessary.

There'snothing magical or mystical about randomness...it's as simple, and as earthy, as 'shit happens'.

817 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:41:38pm

re: #739 Winslow

that is funny as hell....

818 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:41:47pm

re: #702 avanti

I thought he "knew" at the moment of creation, he is God after all. If he knew, that it's beyond my control, the script is set and he's just watching it play out.

Nope. You're getting hung up on what happens before and after. As if He has to move with the flow of time, and cannot see it all, just as you can, AFTER you've lived your life and made your decisions. Ah well, disputing theology is hopeless, but imho free will and omniscience are compatible because of the outside-of-timeness thing.

819 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:42:31pm

re: #814 EmmmieG

With a 290, you wouldn't need a computer. You could beam your thoughts directly onto the server.

Valentine Michael Smith...
grok it

820 Haverwilde  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:42:47pm

re: #785 unrealizedviewpoint

Goal: To place them into remedial classes, etc. Additional federal funds are derived based upon greater numbers. Also why so many kids are deemed to be ADD & ADHD. Money. And lots of it.

And to get the little boys on drugs so they won't disrupt the class so much. Sometimes money isn't at the root of the evil, sometimes it is just porofessional laziness.

821 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:42:57pm

Another reason why I'll never forget Charlye and her "testosterone leads to terrorism" theory is because of the reworking of Bush's line about education that I reworked from

The soft bigotry of low expectations

to

The hard misandry of selective endocrinology.

822 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:43:03pm

re: #569 iam7545

Sala - Faith. The question is what you have faith in - not what you believe.

The only faith that I need in the absence of all knowledge is the faith to wake up each morning and face a day in which who knows what will happen, and the faith to go to sleep each night, not knowing whether or not I will awaken the next morning.

823 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:43:37pm

re: #794 Sharmuta

High paw that, yo.

I remember my (clueless white boy) brother-in-law visiting us in Baltimore from Texas. We went out to dinner. As we were parking the lot guy laughed at my license plate. I said "I know....911..." and then he said "is a joke." We laughed.

Talking about confusing the hell out of my brother-in-law. I explained hip hop, and he still didn't get it. That was when I realized I was Baltimore, and my bro-in-law wasn't.

824 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:43:46pm

re: #821 Sharmuta

The hard misandry of selective endocrinology.

Any excuse to re-post that. I loved it. What a hoot.

825 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:44:24pm

re: #788 sattv4u2
I thought Charles had Lizard Monitors whom he appointed to stand watch when he wasn't here?

826 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:44:49pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Mensa is something I don't quite get. If you're honestly that all-fired smart, why don't you have a job where you meet other smart people or something?

I've had people suggest to me that I apply, but they don't say "We do X, and have a good time," they just tell me how GREAT it is to be validated by the Mensa stamp of approval.

There are a lot of smart people in dead-end, low paying jobs. Smart doesn't always mean worldy-wise, ambitious, and good at taking necessary risks but quiet when a smart mouth will cost ya.

827 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:44:59pm

re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist

I got Stanford-Binetted in fifth grade. They told my parents I was 'gifted', and put me in the 'gifted' program in sixth. It was the worst year of my life, even worse than the year spent working for the mean moonbats. I have considered IQ tests a set-up ever since.

IQ tests are screwed up, or certainly were back when I was in 3rd grade.
Back then, the teacher graded the tests. Mine called my mother to say she couldn't grade mine - the grade scale only went to 1 error; I made none.
So that makes me smarter than Marias von Savant (who has a similar case)
If any trolls want to say they're smarter than other lizards, send them my way. But I might have to pass on their gamy buttocks; they aren't kosher.

Back to my plans for world domination, now that the most powerful country will be wrecked by its new president.
/sarc only on this last statement

828 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:45:04pm

re: #803 sattv4u2

I got news for you, skippy. They're prolly not "legal" at your post, either!

"Eight counties in Md. allow nonprofits, including Veterans of Foreign Wars posts, to operate slot machines. Legislation was passed in 1987 to allow the machines when owned and operated by nonprofits. The list of eligible organizations was expanded in 2007, according to analysis by the Department of Legislative Service.

There are restrictions on the machines, including the number at each location, and 50 percent of the proceeds must go to charity."

829 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:45:41pm

re: #795 Dustyvet

Top Mensa Pick Up Lines

1. "This is your brain. This is your brain on my naked thigh. Any questions?"

2. "Could you help me get this tie tack out of my hand?"

3. "Towards what end does a substantially empathetic demoiselle such as yourself inhabit a locus such as this?"

4. "What say we skip this nerd-fest and hit an all-night symposium on Euclidean Geometry?"

5. "Perchance, would you be inclined to participate, at my domicile, sans apparel, in a modicum of copulation?"

6. "It doesn't take a genius to see how gorgeous you are, but if it did, I'd be overqualified."

7. "You'll have to excuse me -- Your presence excites me beyond all capacity for cognitive discourse."

8. "Vini, Vici, Va-va-va-voom!"

9. "You must be tired, because you've been running quadratic equations through my mind all night."

10. "That tape on your glasses really sets off your eyes."

11. "According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Mechanics, we may already be making love right now."

12. "If I were to mention to you that you have a bellus corpus, would you hold it against me?"

13. "I bet your brain stem reaches almost down to your gluteus maximus."

14. "Ooohh, your IQ is 145? I like 'em dumb and strong!"

15. "By visually measuring the wrinkles in the front of your pants, calculating your body mass based on your height and weight, and dividing that number by your waist size -- I conclude that you have absolutely nothing in your pocket and are, in fact, glad to see me."

16. "Baby, I'll have you barking like a *canis familiaris*."

I'll take number 4 four $200, Alek.

830 swamprat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:45:43pm

I believe anything.

831 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:45:47pm

re: #813 ploome hineni

his work laid the foundation for the work that became the bomb

I doubt he lacked the ability to conceptualize the bomb...I think he was against it

True, his theory was the basis. The idea of splitting the atom just never occured to him.

BTW, the made-for-TV movie Day One presents a pretty danged accurate overview of the Manhattan Project.

832 Universalgeni  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:45:49pm

@ jaunte: Right! :-D

@ basser: I should not have said monkeys - the right word is apes. They came from the Dryopithecus apes group.

This site has a bit about it at the end:

833 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:46:14pm

I saw that four typo just as I hit the submit button. I hate that.

834 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:46:18pm
835 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:46:22pm

re: #828 avanti

"Eight counties in Md. allow nonprofits, including Veterans of Foreign Wars posts, to operate slot machines. Legislation was passed in 1987 to allow the machines when owned and operated by nonprofits. The list of eligible organizations was expanded in 2007, according to analysis by the Department of Legislative Service.

There are restrictions on the machines, including the number at each location, and 50 percent of the proceeds must go to charity."


cool

836 Dom  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:46:50pm

re: #818 lostlakehiker

Nope. You're getting hung up on what happens before and after. As if He has to move with the flow of time, and cannot see it all, just as you can, AFTER you've lived your life and made your decisions. Ah well, disputing theology is hopeless, but imho free will and omniscience are compatible because of the outside-of-timeness thing.

Sounds right to me as well. It's like having (magical or time-travelling-scientific) access to a fly-on-the-wall documentary before it's even been made, and not sabotaging it. There are lots of things we could predict, that we choose not to sabotage, so that part (the part under discussion) is plausible. And those involved in the documentary are no more or less in control of what they do.

837 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:47:58pm
838 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:49:02pm

re: #835 sattv4u2

cool

Sadly, once the state legalizes them for the race tracks, the Vets will lose them. That may shut down some posts.

839 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:49:21pm

re: #813 ploome hineni

his work laid the foundation for the work that became the bomb

I doubt he lacked the ability to conceptualize the bomb...I think he was against it

The groundwork was laid by others BEFORE Einstien was brought on board. Like Pre said, he was asked to lend his name to a letter to Roosevelt

840 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:49:31pm

re: #837 ploome hineni

lol

made for tv movies are usually accurate

This one's well done too. The actors are veterans.

NOW I'm outta here for the night!
Bye!

841 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:50:08pm

re: #821 Sharmuta

Another reason why I'll never forget Charlye and her "testosterone leads to terrorism" theory is because of the reworking of Bush's line about education that I reworked from

The soft bigotry of low expectations

to

The hard misandry of selective endocrinology.

Did she have a solution? I mean, if testosterone leads to terrorism, we're kinda up the creek. We're not going to get rid of it.

842 albusteve  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:50:18pm

re: #825 realwest

I thought Charles had Lizard Monitors whom he appointed to stand watch when he wasn't here?

who knows...I believe so...I dont do over night threads tho...even so this blood thirst for identifying and attacking would be trolls I find amusing....some people are really fixed on it

843 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:52:25pm
844 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:52:33pm

re: #841 SanFranciscoZionist

Did she have a solution? I mean, if testosterone leads to terrorism, we're kinda up the creek. We're not going to get rid of it.

Maybe she wanted to set up a society like they had on one episode of Star Trek, where the women were in charge, and they kept men as breeding stock.

845 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:52:48pm

re: #841 SanFranciscoZionist

Did she have a solution? I mean, if testosterone leads to terrorism, we're kinda up the creek. We're not going to get rid of it.

We landed on the moon because of testosterone.

846 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:53:10pm

re: #808 sattv4u2 Well I'd be surprised if there hadn't been some sort of resistance to the Nazi's - but seriously I don't recall Norway being a leader in that particular area.
Oh and btw, did you notice on that Sons of Norway link the following:

Sons of Norway
The mission of Sons of Norway is to promote and to preserve the heritage and culture of Norway, to celebrate our relationship with other Nordic Countries, and provide quality insurance and financial products to our members.

[emphasis added realwest]
Now that's about as tricky a way to sell insurance or "financial products" as I've seen in a looong time!

847 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:53:45pm

re: #844 lobo91

/Did they have to fold the laundry, too? If women were really running the world...

848 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:54:24pm

re: #675 realwest

Hey shanec99 - I didn't realize that! I thought everyone told the absolute unvarnished truth on the Internet!
How are ya doing - and hey, what time is it where you are?


Almost 9 am. I am fine thank you, how do you do?

849 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:55:00pm

re: #847 EmmmieG

/Did they have to fold the laundry, too? If women were really running the world...

I think they did, although they didn't show it onscreen.

850 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:55:02pm

re: #842 albusteve

who knows...I believe so...I dont do over night threads tho...even so this blood thirst for identifying and attacking would be trolls I find amusing....some people are really fixed on it

As I've mentioned before, I love cat toys trolls.

851 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:55:02pm

re: #844 lobo91

Maybe she wanted to set up a society like they had on one episode of Star Trek, where the women were in charge, and they kept men as breeding stock.

Then there was the Harlan Ellison story, "A Boy and His Dog", where some survivors underground after a nuclear war aren't having boys, and need to import them from outside.
Made into a movie, with Don Johnson, before he was famous. I understand he doesn't like the movie, and is why it is very hard to find nowadays.

852 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:55:24pm
853 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:55:58pm

re: #844 lobo91

Maybe she wanted to set up a society like they had on one episode of Star Trek, where the women were in charge, and they kept men as breeding stock.

Well, that does sound very nice, obviously,

/

but since women also produce the dread substance, I don't see how it would help. Is there a level that la Sartre considered safe?

854 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:56:23pm

re: #815 lobo91
Well I'm sure my IQ isn't 290, but I didn't see anywhere in that link that they said you doubled any of the IQ test results.
And since my LSAT was pre-1980 and significantly higher than what they were saying, I'm thinking Mensa musta lowered it's standards or something.

855 shanec99  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:56:47pm

re: #801 avanti

My VFW has slot machines and cheap beer, and the slot machines are not legal elsewhere in Md.


Where in Md is your VFW?
My home is in Gaithersburg, MD, I bought it when I was stationed at Bethesda.

856 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:56:58pm

re: #732 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Found it.

The Catapult GIF

BOROMIR FTW!

LMAO!re: #834 ploome hineni

yeah

we just need more UNDOCUMENTED to fill jobs

are these people crazy orwhat?

I don't know what it is that Pelosi smokes but I'd like a supply of it. I could make a fortune selling a hallucinogen that powerful.

/kidding

857 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:57:31pm

re: #852 ploome hineni

I'll be gracious and just say the poor lady is out of her league.

858 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:57:32pm

In the Doghouse (best J C Penney ad evahhh)

859 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:57:36pm

Ole's neighbor Sven had a boy, Sven Junior, who came home one day and asked, "Papa, I have da biggest feet in da third grade. Is dat becoss I'm Norvegian?" "No," said Sven, "It's because you're NINETEEN."

860 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:57:43pm

re: #841 SanFranciscoZionist

Did she have a solution? I mean, if testosterone leads to terrorism, we're kinda up the creek. We're not going to get rid of it.

She was too busy insulting Catttt and I to come up with a solution.

861 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:57:56pm

re: #843 ploome hineni

I was not there....I cannot testify as to who did what

the research I did with google, suggests Einstein's work made the development of the bomb possible

but maybe you were there and know better


Yeah I was, actually. Me and ole Albert were hanging around one day, and he said to me 'Know what SATT, there doesn;'t seem to be anything else to do, so lets go split an pizza" and I said ' I had pizza for lunch and am still kinda full, why don;t we go split something smaller!"

And he looked at me with a EURIKA look in his eyes !

geeezzz!

862 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:58:18pm

re: #852 ploome hineni

on Drudge, Nancy Pelosi's comments are so obscene, I have to post them all

Nancy Pelosi is heading for the hot place. IMHO.

863 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #852 ploome hineni

Family planning services reduce cost. True. But appalling! Quite a disgusting person this Pelosi is.

864 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:59:31pm

re: #846 realwest

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

865 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:59:32pm

re: #856 Dark_Falcon

I don't know what it is that Pelosi smokes but I'd like a supply of it. I could make a fortune selling a hallucinogen that powerful.

/kidding

This "stimulus" package is sounding more and more like PORK. But since Obama promised no pork and no add-ons to bills and so on, I guess it's not really PORK. I'm glad I cleared that up.

866 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 9:59:36pm

We humans are descended from bears not monkeys.

Good Night All.

867 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:00:34pm

re: #805 capitalist piglet

Were you referring to Lacrosse or Milwaukee?

868 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:00:42pm

re: #829 Catttt ROTFLMAO!
I thought #3 was also pretty good, too!

869 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:00:50pm
870 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:01:07pm

re: #865 Walter L. Newton

This "stimulus" package is sounding more and more like PORK. But since Obama promised no pork and no add-ons to bills and so on, I guess it's not really PORK. I'm glad I cleared that up.

I guess if the basic bill is 100% pork in the first place, it doesn't count.

871 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:01:25pm

re: #829 Catttt

I've used almost every one of them. Never worked for me.

872 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:02:11pm

re: #867 logboy

Here's a joke for you.

How do you separate the cheeseheads from the dickheads?

The St. Croix River.

873 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:03:24pm

re: #827 Kosh's Shadow

Pssssstttt, smart guy: It's Marilyn Vos Savant.

874 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:03:32pm

re: #865 Walter L. Newton

This "stimulus" package is sounding more and more like PORK. But since Obama promised no pork and no add-ons to bills and so on, I guess it's not really PORK. I'm glad I cleared that up.

No, its pork. Obama is just being jerked into line by the Congress. Congress doesn't like clean bills, they impede the vital task of bringing home the bacon. Obama and the Congress deserve each other.

875 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:03:56pm

re: #862 Catttt

Nancy Pelosi is heading for the hot place. IMHO.

And she's allegedly Catholic, too.

I'm sure the Pope is thrilled...

876 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:04:41pm

And, with that, I'm heading to bed.

877 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:04:44pm

re: #870 lobo91

I guess if the basic bill is 100% pork in the first place, it doesn't count.

Yea, bullshit. Once again, this is a plain old handout of MONEY to all kinds of people and politicians. And the states and politicians will hand it to their favorite contractors, who will spend it with out sourced employees and services and very little of the money will end up in the pocket of someone like me, who could use a new job, a job in my profession, what I have been doing FULL time for 30 years.

No, you can bet anyone who really could benefit from some stimulus will never see a piece of the action.

Anyone want to takes bets?

878 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:05:28pm

re: #848 shanec99 I'm doing ok, thanks.

879 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:05:32pm

re: #827 Kosh's Shadow

IQ tests are screwed up, or certainly were back when I was in 3rd grade.
Back then, the teacher graded the tests. Mine called my mother to say she couldn't grade mine - the grade scale only went to 1 error; I made none.
So that makes me smarter than Marias von Savant (who has a similar case)If any trolls want to say they're smarter than other lizards, send them my way. But I might have to pass on their gamy buttocks; they aren't kosher.

Back to my plans for world domination, now that the most powerful country will be wrecked by its new president.
/sarc only on this last statement

Who has a "similar case" of WHAT? Are you both on meds for it? Wjats the prognosis!?!?!?!?!

880 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:06:11pm

Even Dolly Parton is descended from a bear.

881 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:06:15pm

re: #816 Salamantis

There's nothing magical or mystical about randomness...it's as simple, and as earthy, as 'shit happens'.

By that same thought, it is not an explanation for anything.

882 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:06:32pm

re: #880 Ojoe

No I don't have a link, it is missing.

883 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:06:42pm

re: #23 Alouette

Please vote for the new Hamas Jew-killing mascot.

Mustafa the Maggot is still in the lead, but Spongebomb Seethepants is closing the gap.

I voted for Hijab the Alluring Goat, although it looks like Spongebomb has taken a distinct lead. I'm a bit disappointed that we aren't sticking with the theme of anthropomorphic animals to brainwash innocent children with.

884 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:06:58pm

re: #855 shanec99

Annapolis Md

885 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:07:02pm

re: #880 Ojoe

Even Dolly Parton is descended from a bear.

But in her case, a bear with a nice rack.

886 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:07:40pm

re: #877 Walter L. Newton

Yea, bullshit. Once again, this is a plain old handout of MONEY to all kinds of people and politicians. And the states and politicians will hand it to their favorite contractors, who will spend it with out sourced employees and services and very little of the money will end up in the pocket of someone like me, who could use a new job, a job in my profession, what I have been doing FULL time for 30 years.

No, you can bet anyone who really could benefit from some stimulus will never see a piece of the action.

Anyone want to takes bets?

Near as I can tell, it's another giveaway to the unions, just like the recent UAW bailout.

887 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:08:10pm

re: #885 SanFranciscoZionist

Bear rack

But not Bear rack Obama

good night again

888 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:08:12pm

I was once a member of both Mensa and Intertel (twice as exclusive). I did get laid out of them, as a juvenile, by bright horny middle-aged ladies. But after the novelty wore off, I dropped out of them. It is much better to converse with those with whom you share an interest than with those with whim you share an IQ.

889 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:08:19pm

re: #885 SanFranciscoZionist

But in her case, a bear with a nice rack.

Saw her 3 years ago up very close at Dollywood. For someone in her 60's, she still looked DAMN good

890 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:08:40pm

re: #885 SanFranciscoZionist

But in her case, a bear with a nice rack.

Or at least a good plastic surgeon.

891 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:08:46pm

re: #852 ploome hineni
Well there was never any doubt in my mind that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was, well, stupid, but I never realized quite how hypocritical she was as well.

892 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:09:13pm

re: #889 sattv4u2

Saw her 3 years ago up very close at Dollywood. For someone in her 60's, she still looked DAMN good

How up close could you get without having your glasses knocked off?

893 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:09:46pm

re: #890 lobo91

Or at least a good plastic surgeon.

"It takes a lot of money to look this cheap."

God, I love Dolly.

894 avanti  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:10:53pm

re: #854 realwest

Well I'm sure my IQ isn't 290, but I didn't see anywhere in that link that they said you doubled any of the IQ test results.
And since my LSAT was pre-1980 and significantly higher than what they were saying, I'm thinking Mensa musta lowered it's standards or something.

You double the pre 1980 Navy GCT to get your IQ, that makes the Mensa cut. The other scores are different.

895 Salamantis  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:11:01pm

re: #881 itellu3times

By that same thought, it is not an explanation for anything.

No, randomness doesn't explain a thing, but then random genetic mutation doesn't occur alone in evolution; it is acted upon by nonrandom environmental selection. And together, combined with around 3 1/2 billion years, they DO explain the diversity of terrestrial speciation.

896 lobo91  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:11:27pm

re: #891 realwest

Well there was never any doubt in my mind that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was, well, stupid, but I never realized quite how hypocritical she was as well.

The thought that we could have not one but two clinically retarded people running our legislative branch scares the crap out of me.

897 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:11:36pm

re: #858 Catttt

It is funny but it's a sad reminder of how weak and emasculated Western males have become. Afraid of their own wives who treat them like children and afraid of their own shadows. Funny yet sad and pitiful. I find it hard to be around married men, their weakness is hard to take sometimes.

898 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:12:20pm

re: #864 sattv4u2
Ok, but what does that have to do with providing quality insurance and financial products?!

899 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:12:40pm

re: #883 Scion9

I voted for Hijab the Alluring Goat, although it looks like Spongebomb has taken a distinct lead. I'm a bit disappointed that we aren't sticking with the theme of anthropomorphic animals to brainwash innocent children with.

How about Mustafa Shag? Warning - naked "hen party" doll from Ann Summers.

900 Russkilitlover  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:13:08pm

re: #877 Walter L. Newton

Yea, bullshit. Once again, this is a plain old handout of MONEY to all kinds of people and politicians. And the states and politicians will hand it to their favorite contractors, who will spend it with out sourced employees and services and very little of the money will end up in the pocket of someone like me, who could use a new job, a job in my profession, what I have been doing FULL time for 30 years.

No, you can bet anyone who really could benefit from some stimulus will never see a piece of the action.

Anyone want to takes bets?

The purpose of the bailouts is to make as many folk as possible that much more dependent upon government - individuals AND busines. It's a pure socialist grab.....right under our noses. And since a majority of 52% voted for Barry, the Dems have themselves some needy folk who will ONLY look to government for solutions.

We are so F#cked.

901 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:13:10pm

re: #877 Walter L. Newton

Yea, bullshit. Once again, this is a plain old handout of MONEY to all kinds of people and politicians. And the states and politicians will hand it to their favorite contractors, who will spend it with out sourced employees and services and very little of the money will end up in the pocket of someone like me, who could use a new job, a job in my profession, what I have been doing FULL time for 30 years.

No, you can bet anyone who really could benefit from some stimulus will never see a piece of the action.

Anyone want to takes bets?

You are right about not many jobs being created and the money going to the cronies, but in a Keynesian model, a stimulus has very little to do with handing out money and having it 'trickle down', so much as it has very much to do with causing deliberate inflation. That part of the 'stimulus' will be successful.

902 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:13:39pm

re: #897 Killgore Trout

It is funny but it's a sad reminder of how weak and emasculated Western males have become. Afraid of their own wives who treat them like children and afraid of their own shadows. Funny yet sad and pitiful. I find it hard to be around married men, their weakness is hard to take sometimes.

Lol.

903 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:13:40pm

re: #894 avanti

You double the pre 1980 Navy GCT to get your IQ, that makes the Mensa cut. The other scores are different.

I was told when I took my ASVAB, I missed 1 question. Think that gave me a GT of 134.

904 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:13:47pm

re: #897 Killgore Trout

FYI -

DESMOND SEARCHES FOR A WOMAN WHO COULD BE THE KEY IN HELPING FARADAY STOP THE ISLAND'S ERRATIC MOVEMENTS THROUGH TIME, ON ABC'S "LOST"

"Jughead" - Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key to helping Faraday stop the island's erratic movements through time, and Locke discovers the identity of the unknown forces who have been attacking the survivors, on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 28 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Cheers...

905 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:15:36pm

re: #499 Bobibutu

I like the one "never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly."

I'll tell you one thing - my "Don't make me get voodoo on your ass" bumper sticker was absolutely useless.

906 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:16:13pm

re: #877 Walter L. Newton
"No, you can bet anyone who really could benefit from some stimulus will never see a piece of the action.

Anyone want to takes bets?"
Gee Walter I agree with you, but I wouldn't go making any bets about it - after all politicians are professional fuck ups and I'd bet at least a couple of hunderd people will actually benefit from that bill.

907 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:18:25pm

re: #906 realwest

"No, you can bet anyone who really could benefit from some stimulus will never see a piece of the action.

Anyone want to takes bets?"
Gee Walter I agree with you, but I wouldn't go making any bets about it - after all politicians are professional fuck ups and I'd bet at least a couple of hunderd people will actually benefit from that bill.

Got it, my mistake.
/

908 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:19:22pm

re: #894 avanti Ah, sorry, so it was just the Navy huh. Well, I guess that makes sense!/ducks and head for cover from incoming!

909 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:19:24pm

re: #893 SanFranciscoZionist

god..she is great isn't she?
remember "weapons of mass distraction"?
that was classic.

910 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:20:55pm

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

/weighing in at more than $1 billion per page ($825 Billion in 647 pages)

911 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:21:08pm

re: #909 christmasghost

god..she is great isn't she?
remember "weapons of mass distraction"?
that was classic.

Jimmy Carters Rabbit Deployment Force

912 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:21:47pm

re: #896 lobo91
Well, respectfully, I really hate the word retarded. Now if you substituted "mentally challenged" I'd agree with you. Or "crooks" but since they are politicians that would be redundant.

913 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:22:08pm

re: #911 Dustyvet

okay..you lost me on that one. care to share?

914 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:23:04pm

re: #904 Walter L. Newton

Ugh! The last Desmond story line almost made me stop watching Lost. It was the one where he had to locate his chick in the past of his head would explode. Not even remotely related to science or time travel and made no sense whatsoever. I was really hoping the writers were back on track again.
Desmond stinks.

915 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:23:47pm

re: #895 Salamantis

No, randomness doesn't explain a thing, but then random genetic mutation doesn't occur alone in evolution; it is acted upon by nonrandom environmental selection. And together, combined with around 3 1/2 billion years, they DO explain the diversity of terrestrial speciation.

Mmmmmm, well, this isn't exactly the forum for fancy arguments, but again, I suggest, one has to be careful here. Two nothings don't make a something. Nor do you want to say the environment is nonrandom, because then what is it instead, ... managed? I know you don't mean to say that, but hey. The granularity at which evolution takes place is still very uncertain, and one must always remember the vast majority of DNA does not mutate in every instance or we wouldn't have anything even resembling species. And then, deterministic chaos is not quite the same as randomness, but can produce very similar results. So in closing, and Richard Dawkins to the contrary, it remains as misleading to say that evolution is "random" as it is to say that it is "designed". Something along the lines of "stochastic" is probably better, implying regularities and "design spaces". Daniel Dennett writes about this, to some extent. It's subtle, and important, and a topic we're still learning about as the field of molecular biology progresses.

916 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:24:26pm

re: #913 christmasghost

okay..you lost me on that one. care to share?

Nuts knew I should have rechecked that before i put it up here...:(

917 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:25:55pm

re: #916 Dustyvet

are these bunnies related to sweater puppies somehow?

918 itellu3times  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:26:56pm

re: #910 Killian Bundy

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

/weighing in at more than $1 billion per page ($825 Billion in 647 pages)

So can you summarize it in 25 words or less? Be specific and give references.

919 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:27:57pm

re: #917 christmasghost

are these bunnies related to sweater puppies somehow?

Unn bi I thought it was a quote from either jimmy or his brother Billy..

920 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:28:14pm

re: #916 Dustyvet
Hi ya Dusty - how are you doing tonight?

921 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:28:46pm

re: #914 Killgore Trout

Ugh! The last Desmond story line almost made me stop watching Lost. It was the one where he had to locate his chick in the past of his head would explode. Not even remotely related to science or time travel and made no sense whatsoever. I was really hoping the writers were back on track again.
Desmond stinks.

Desmond is probably the most important character for the future of the plot arcs. Of all the rules of "time" as set out in the mythos of the show, Desmond is special, and may actually be able to prevent "time" from course correcting.

That's what was being shown in "The Constant," that Desmond had an ability that others didn't, to physically be in two time tracks at the same time, without a paradox.

The show has been hinting at time-travel since season three, season four started to firm that up, and now, season five, it's no longer a secret, it's an all out sci-fi story.

922 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:28:50pm

re: #902 Catttt

I've stopped my married friends from sleeping on my couch when their wives catch them smoking a cigar or looking at porn in their own houses. I just can't take it. I have friends who begin every sentence with, " Don't tell my wife but...." (...I bought a new computer, ...I went to a strip club, ....I picked up a Cuban chick after the show, ...etc). I'm not the most macho man on planet earth but I find their weakness and fear repulsive.

923 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:30:33pm

re: #920 realwest

Hi ya Dusty - how are you doing tonight?

Doing fine except for what I'm watching on HULU...Adam-12 reruns..
How are you and your Mom doing?

924 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:30:40pm

re: #919 Dustyvet

heh...it most likely was, but who ever listened to them? every time carter was on TV we would all just groan and run....
and carter knew it too which is why he is such a douche today.
what a putz he is.

925 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:30:41pm

re: #921 Walter L. Newton

Desmond stinks. Bring back the heroin addict. At least he was likable. Mr. Echo ruled too.

926 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:31:08pm

re: #922 Killgore Trout

...I picked up a Cuban chick after the show,...

Do you have an address for this place?

927 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:31:41pm

re: #924 christmasghost

heh...it most likely was, but who ever listened to them? every time carter was on TV we would all just groan and run....
and carter knew it too which is why he is such a douche today.
what a putz he is.

Yuppers that he is...:)

928 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:32:01pm

re: #922 Killgore Trout

beta males *shudder* the scourge of the U.S.......

929 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:32:19pm

re: #919 Dustyvet

Unn bi I thought it was a quote from either jimmy or his brother Billy..

On April 20, 1979, President Jimmy Carter was attacked by a wild rabbit while fishing.

He has never lived it down.

930 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:32:40pm

re: #873 MandyManners

Pssssstttt, smart guy: It's Marilyn Vos Savant.

Sorry, I forgot, given I haven't read "Parade" in years, even when it did show up in my Boston Globe (told them where to shove their paper due to their coverage of Israel in Gaza.)
Besides, I've been drinking.
And I don't bring this up normally. I'm in smart company here on LGF.

931 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:32:53pm

re: #929 SanFranciscoZionist

On April 20, 1979, President Jimmy Carter was attacked by a wild rabbit while fishing.

He has never lived it down.

I think there's a song about it...:)

932 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:33:21pm

re: #918 itellu3times

So can you summarize it in 25 words or less? Be specific and give references.

We are so fucked

933 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:33:22pm

re: #715 Teacake!

What's odd about all this hullabaloo about Islamofascism and "creeping sharia" stuff is that it hasn't been featured in any major news outlets to any extent. I don't think it's as big a deal as Charles thinks it is. I mean not all muslims are radicals or jihadis, and even if they were, they only account for 0.6% of the American population. For crying out loud, they are out numbered by the "unaffiliated" by 15.5%, how pathetic is that? They're small potatoes. Nothing to see here (yet), move along (for now).

The issue people are most concerned about in America is the economy. And anyhow, as for these small religions that want to teach sharia or whatever, it's not a big deal because these people NEVER want to co-mingle with kaffir. They stay to themselves, and never go far from their little area. As I have been told by my idiot box, anywhere outside of their enclave is Sinville.
lol

/for those having difficulty, this post is intended to be sarcastic

934 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:33:30pm

re: #925 Killgore Trout

Desmond stinks. Bring back the heroin addict. At least he was likable. Mr. Echo ruled too.

Do you know, I was talking to our director Richard Pegg the other day, and I had known that his son, Simon, was offered a role on LOST before they started 5 years ago.

But I just found out from Richard what role his son was offered. It was Charlie, the musician-drug addict.

Simon turned it down because he was concerned with getting locked into a series for to many years.

Of course, he is still doing work for J. J. Abrams, playing Scotty in the up coming Star Trek.

935 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:34:05pm

re: #879 sattv4u2

Who has a "similar case" of WHAT? Are you both on meds for it? Wjats the prognosis!?!?!?!?!

The person who runs some column in Parade magazine, that I haven't read in years, claims to be the smartest person (excuse my typing; it is 1:30 and I've been drinking).
She isn't so smart, or she wouldn't be writing for parade.

936 Rustler  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:34:26pm

Hell proof we share a common ancestry with apes is readily available in my family. We have a couple chimps and nasty old gorilla and a stogy old orangutan still living : P.

937 Dustyvet  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:35:19pm

re: #931 Dustyvet

I think there's a song about it...:)

I Don't Want A Bunny Wunny

* (Tom Paxton)

I don't want a bunny wunny in my little row boar
In my little row boat in the pond
For the bunny might be crazy and he'll bite me in the throat
In my little row boat in the pond
President Carter got into his boat
Wasn't in a hurry, wanted to float
Think about the country, think about sin
Along swum a rabbit, and it tried to climb in
And what did Jimmy say

Look at him swimming, look at him fly
Ears laid back and a gleam in his eye
Hissing through his front teeth, swimming like a seal
If you were the President, how would you feel
You'd prob'ly say

President Carter saved the day
Splashed with the paddle, rabbit swam away
Jimmy was a hero, felt it in his bones
Said in the words of John Paul Jones

938 quickredfox  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:35:20pm

Now that's about as tricky a way to sell insurance or "financial products" as I've seen in a looong time!

Most of the major immigrant groups of the late 19th/early 20th centuries had fraternal orders of this type and, similar to non-ethnic-based organizations of the time such as workers' or tradesmen's societies, included the provision of insurance and financial services among their functions, at a time when such assistance was hard to come by for the average person. Sons of Italy is another example -- [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

939 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:35:32pm

re: #922 Killgore Trout


....I picked up a Cuban chick after the show, ...

The fear of wife might be justifiable in that scenario. Or at least fear of her lawyer.

940 claspur  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:36:06pm

Very right-on Killgore.
What's funny is, you can't tell(a friend?) the simp what a douche he's acting like. lol

941 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:36:13pm

re: #929 SanFranciscoZionist

On April 20, 1979, President Jimmy Carter was attacked by a wild rabbit while fishing.

He has never lived it down.

i think i remember that....aha! well, just another reason for old creepy carter to have an attitude. it would take a big man to be whipped by a bunny and still be able to laugh about it and he isn't a big man.
so douche-i-tude ensues......

have you noticed that every single person who is a complete zero is unable to laugh at themselves....

942 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:36:13pm

re: #925 Killgore Trout

Desmond stinks. Bring back the heroin addict. At least he was likable. Mr. Echo ruled too.

Mr Echo was the best. My favorite character is Benjamin Linus though.

943 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:37:07pm

re: #941 christmasghost

i think i remember that....aha! well, just another reason for old creepy carter to have an attitude. it would take a big man to be whipped by a bunny and still be able to laugh about it and he isn't a big man.
so douche-i-tude ensues......

have you noticed that every single person who is a complete zero is unable to laugh at themselves....

Why do I think 0bama can't even manage a smile at himself. Just that Mussolini look.

944 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:38:12pm

re: #942 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My favorite character is Benjamin Linus though.

One of the good guys.

945 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:38:30pm

re: #934 Walter L. Newton

The guy who got the role of Charlie would be hard to beat. He did a great job with it but they killed him off too soon. It was probably a wise career choice since the character was so short lived.

946 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:39:45pm

re: #942 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Linus is a truly awesome character. I don't know if the actor has legs, he might be a one trick pony.

947 claspur  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:40:17pm

Stream: "WXRTfm" Jazz Transfusion

948 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:41:53pm

re: #940 claspur

it's not my place to tell other people how to live much less how to manage their relationships. They can sleep on someone else's couch. Not my problem.

949 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:42:01pm

re: #945 Killgore Trout

The guy who got the role of Charlie would be hard to beat. He did a great job with it but they killed him off too soon. It was probably a wise career choice since the character was so short lived.

He lasted to the finale of s3 (as well as some flashback/ghost/hallucinatory visions scenes after that.) By the time the show ends its run that would have accounted for more than half the series, and he was in almost every episode up to that point.

Not that Simon Pegg is hurting for work or anything. In Star Trek and starring in three other relatively successful theatrical films in less than three years. Certainly doing better than the guy that played Charlie, career wise.

950 christmasghost  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:42:16pm

re: #943 Kosh's Shadow

gawd....too true. il dou che' all over again.

951 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:42:49pm

re: #946 Killgore Trout

Linus is a truly awesome character. I don't know if the actor has legs, he might be a one trick pony.

He has already had a LONG career in live theatre.re: #945 Killgore Trout

The guy who got the role of Charlie would be hard to beat. He did a great job with it but they killed him off too soon. It was probably a wise career choice since the character was so short lived.

Three years is not short lived on a TV show. Simon had a couple of movies in the works (Hot Fuzz and Run, Fatboy, Run) and just wasn't interested in tying himself to a TV show.

But LOST producer J. J. Abrams likes Simon, so he still offered him the Star Trek role, and Abrams has other project for the future which Simon has some chances at.

952 quickredfox  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:43:45pm

re: #938 quickredfox

I see I managed to accidentally wipe out the # of the post I was replying to above -- realwest's #846

953 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:43:53pm

re: #922 Killgore Trout
I agree with you Killgore - I hate weak married men (but of course not all married men are weak) but think it comes from some form of deep insecurity/insincerity.
I've been married and divorced twice, and in neither case was sex outside the marriage involved, but geez, there used to be an LGFer (who is now strictly a Freeper) who I met once cause he lived near me and he was a drunk. Not just drunk, A drunk (and I'm an alcoholic [non-drinking type] and can recognize it). And after that he always wanted to stop by my place on his way home and shoot the breeze - while he smoked cigars and drank booze which he brought himself and he'd leave whatever booze was left in my apartment. One day I said - wth don't you smoke your cigars and drink at home? His response was revealing, he actually said to me that he had promised his wife he'd give up drinking and didn't really mean it so he needed to "stash" his booze at my place. And he added that his wife was allergic to cigar smoke so he wouldn't DARE smoke in front of her. Insincere and insecure.
Everytime he'd come over, I'd throw that out at him - why don't you just be straight with your wife or BETTER YET stop drinking and don't smoke cigars!
Anyway, we'd gotten together (always at my apartment after the first time we met at a restaurant for dinner) several times when my cancer was diagnosed. He stopped calling and stopped coming around. I asked him why and he said he didn't want to get close to me since I was gonna die and then - if we became close friends - he'd feel really bad.
As you said, very, very weak - but also very insecure and insincere.

954 slokat  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:44:01pm

Us alpha married males don't need to sleep on other people's couches...

955 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:44:12pm

re: #944 Walter L. Newton

One of the good guys.

Guy at work still thinks he is a bad guy. I've tried to explain that Benjamin has reasons of his own for everything he does that we don't know about yet. Its easy to discount him as evil because of what he has done. If looked on in the contect of him trying to protect the Island and the world from what could happen if it falls into the wrong hands, then he might very well be the hero of the story. I think the show showed him in a moment of weakness, and he realized that not every thing in life was about the Island, which he had forgotten when he had to deal with the crash survivors, and now he is trying to redeem himself.

My take on it anyways, could be completely wrong.

956 claspur  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:44:27pm

interesting barration , Trout. :o)

957 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:44:52pm

re: #949 Scion9

He lasted to the finale of s3 (as well as some flashback/ghost/hallucinatory visions scenes after that.) By the time the show ends its run that would have accounted for more than half the series, and he was in almost every episode up to that point.

Not that Simon Pegg is hurting for work or anything. In Star Trek and starring in three other relatively successful theatrical films in less than three years. Certainly doing better than the guy that played Charlie, career wise.

I am going to see Simon in the spring and I am going to try to get some artifact from the set of Star Trek from him. Anything will be fine, a call sheet, a page from one of the copies of the script, anything. We'll see.

958 Kragar  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:44:57pm

re: #946 Killgore Trout

Linus is a truly awesome character. I don't know if the actor has legs, he might be a one trick pony.

Heard some where he has a successful stage background

959 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:45:11pm

re: #951 Walter L. Newton

You probably already know this but Sayid (Naveen Andrews) had a carreer in Bollywood....

960 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:46:21pm

re: #923 Dustyvet
Well mom's still pretty shook up at Leon (that was our neighbor's first name) death, but I'm doing ok, thanks.

961 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:46:29pm

re: #954 slokat

Us alpha married males don't need to sleep on other people's couches...

The alpha wives know you're boss--so you are permitted to sleep on your own couches?

/

962 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:49:11pm

re: #955 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guy at work still thinks he is a bad guy. I've tried to explain that Benjamin has reasons of his own for everything he does that we don't know about yet. Its easy to discount him as evil because of what he has done. If looked on in the contect of him trying to protect the Island and the world from what could happen if it falls into the wrong hands, then he might very well be the hero of the story. I think the show showed him in a moment of weakness, and he realized that not every thing in life was about the Island, which he had forgotten when he had to deal with the crash survivors, and now he is trying to redeem himself.

My take on it anyways, could be completely wrong.

No, I don't think it's wrong at all. That's been my take from almost the beginning, and I have written a number of articles on that subject for Lostpedia and Doc Arzt.

Most everything on the show deals with points of view, how we "fill" in the blanks, without having the full picture. As "time" seems to make corrections for "bumps" in the road.

Ben has said it a number of times that he is one of the good guys. I think it's a clever turn on the writers part, to have him say that, when it's true but at the same time he looks so guilty.

963 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:49:47pm

re: #938 quickredfox
Hey, thanks a lot for that - I never knew that before!
Do you know if "their" insurance was regulated by the State?

964 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:50:05pm

re: #959 Killgore Trout

You probably already know this but Sayid (Naveen Andrews) had a carreer in Bollywood....

[Video]

Yes, and in Hollywood too! And he does a wonderful job of dropping his British accent on LOST. It's normally very heavy.

965 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:50:06pm

re: #955 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, even if he does work towards some greater good (like saving the world), he would only be a 'good guy' in that sense. I think if that is the writers intent, they will have a lot of trouble justifying the full scope of all of his actions to the audience. At best he would be an anti-hero, that follows an ends justifies the means policy. Still a great character though, and well played.

966 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:50:32pm

Whew....I'm back....had a 911 Granny call.....11:30.... my daughter calls.....4 yr old granddaughter is screaming and crying....I want my mama. And....Yep...20 degrees outside....I got dressed...and drove over and rocked...her asleep.....

967 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:51:19pm

re: #922 Killgore Trout

I've stopped my married friends from sleeping on my couch when their wives catch them smoking a cigar or looking at porn in their own houses. I just can't take it. I have friends who begin every sentence with, " Don't tell my wife but...." (...I bought a new computer, ...I went to a strip club, ....I picked up a Cuban chick after the show, ...etc). I'm not the most macho man on planet earth but I find their weakness and fear repulsive.

Seriously, I hear you. Sometimes, I hear women nagging their sig others in stores - or just plain talking their ears off (yammering on and on), and I really want to take them aside and give them a talking to (the women). We could tag team them - you talk to the guys, and I'll handle the women.

I've actually been in a position where I had to be the shoulder for a beta male whose wife was jerking him around. I've found people have to WANT to accept reality and stand up for themselves - you can't talk them into it.

968 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:51:22pm

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

Mensa is something I don't quite get. If you're honestly that all-fired smart, why don't you have a job where you meet other smart people or something?

I've had people suggest to me that I apply, but they don't say "We do X, and have a good time," they just tell me how GREAT it is to be validated by the Mensa stamp of approval.

Dude! When people tell you "You're a real Mensa candidate", they are not being sincere, and it is not a compliment. Sorry to break the news.

/of course, I am kidding you

969 claspur  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:51:35pm

re: #961 SanFranciscoZionist

The issue was pussified husbands....I sleep wherever I want.

Slow browser again.....nite

970 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:52:30pm

re: #957 Walter L. Newton

I am going to see Simon in the spring and I am going to try to get some artifact from the set of Star Trek from him. Anything will be fine, a call sheet, a page from one of the copies of the script, anything. We'll see.

Woooo, cool beans!

971 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:53:42pm

re: #966 Inquisitive

Whew....I'm back....had a 911 Granny call.....11:30.... my daughter calls.....4 yr old granddaughter is screaming and crying....I want my mama. And....Yep...20 degrees outside....I got dressed...and drove over and rocked...her asleep.....

Oh...much love to the little one, and you!

972 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:54:28pm

re: #970 Catttt
Speaking of Cool Beans - has anyone seen christheprofessor around LGF at all in like the last couple of months?(CtP use that "cool beans" expression a lot!).

973 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:54:38pm

re: #970 Catttt

Woooo, cool beans!

Simons dad Richard is on our board of directors at the theatre and Richard also directs 2-3 of our shows a year. Here is dads current show...

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

974 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 10:55:29pm

re: #972 realwest

Speaking of Cool Beans - has anyone seen christheprofessor around LGF at all in like the last couple of months?(CtP use that "cool beans" expression a lot!).

No, now that you mention it.

975 logboy  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:00:02pm

re: #872 Sharmuta

Here's a joke for you.

How do you separate the cheeseheads from the dickheads?

The St. Croix River.

That. Is. AWESOME.

976 realwest  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:03:16pm

Well y'all this has been an unusually long and stressful day, so I'm gonna go try and get some sleep. Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

977 Inquisitive  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:05:25pm

Good night realwest....prayers and hopes for a much better day tomorrow..

978 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:05:29pm

re: #973 Walter L. Newton

Simons dad Richard is on our board of directors at the theatre and Richard also directs 2-3 of our shows a year. Here is dads current show...

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

I wish I were there - I would go to see it if it's not sold out!).

I have a co-worker who is in an amateur playhouse group. This year, she's been doing mostly support stuff, since she is really busy (we are really busy!) at the day job.

979 Smorgasbord  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:09:10pm

I don't have a problem with the kids being taught there are different religions. If they are going to mentioned in schools, It should be taught as different people's BELIEFS.

I have to go along with the EVOLUTION theory. Us kids grew up on the farm and were in the trees a lot. When we moved to the city we only had two trees to climb, but climb them we did.

Part of evolution passed me up though. There are a lot of monkeys who have learned how to do things I can't do yet. I guess I should have climbed down from the trees sooner.

980 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:09:33pm
981 Scion9  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:10:12pm

re: #967 Catttt


I've actually been in a position where I had to be the shoulder for a beta male whose wife was jerking him around. I've found people have to WANT to accept reality and stand up for themselves - you can't talk them into it.

Yeah. I think there are a lot of issues with the expectations of how men are supposed to treat their significant others in general. There is this relic of Victorian sensibilities (not necessarily the morals though) in regards to the man's role in a relationship, while the same image of the dutiful, subservient wife that those sensibilities cater to isn't nearly as pervasive.

The role of women in a relationship has evolved drastically since the 50s/60s, while the role of men is incongruously the same as it has been for generations.

The problem is likely to only get worse. I'm 26, unmarried, and almost every women I know, and have been in a relationship with revels in the concept of selfishness as a virtue, and exclaim with great glee that they are "Bitches"; which they are unfortunately often quite right about. Men that refuse to put up with childish behavior are 'sissies' that refuse to 'suck it up'. They aren't 'being men' by not adhering to role of the metaphorically castrated beta male. Asking for a compromise and give and take in a relationship is unmasculine and weak. Male strength is exampled in absolute capitulation to your significant other's demands (or at least the appearance of doing so, by way of deception).

Which, too many men are also steeped in the cultural image of the promiscuous 'player' as well and as such are inherently untrustworthy in a relationship, but by the time they are pushing their mid-20s or early 30s most of my 'player' friends have dropped the persona, while their girlfriends, wives and our female friends in that same age range (even ones with multiple children) are still about as mature as they were when were all 17, and will probably be 'party girls' well into their old age.

982 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:13:40pm

re: #972 realwest

Speaking of Cool Beans - has anyone seen christheprofessor around LGF at all in like the last couple of months?(CtP use that "cool beans" expression a lot!).

I checked - he posted on January 7th, and before that, December 29th - maybe he is just busy. I know I hadn't been posting a lot lately (busy at work, tired afterwards - not helped by the fact that I bruised the sciatic nerve in my right leg), and Sharmuta had been worried about me, so I kinda felt bad about causing worry.

983 quickredfox  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:23:19pm

re: #963 realwest

Hey, thanks a lot for that - I never knew that before!
Do you know if "their" insurance was regulated by the State?

This article makes a reference in passing to regulation -- "The Rise and Fall of Fraternal Insurance Organizations"

Some of the genealogical sites mention the ethnic-oriented fraternal organizations as a source for people researching their family background.

984 Catttt  Sun, Jan 25, 2009 11:25:56pm

re: #981 Scion9

Well put!

You know - that made some of the negative comments and reviews of the book and movie Twilight fall into place for me. The lead male character, Edward Cullen, is catching flak from "feminists" for two things - being "dominant" - and being chaste. Yes, really. Bella Swan, the female lead, is supposed, I guess, to get all bitchy and then assault the guy. Since she doesn't, she catches flak too.

I also see why the story is so popular - it has a fascinating love match that isn't full of all the modern issues you posted about so well. There are literally thousands of teen girls out there now looking for a strong, chaste, considerate (and of course hot) man like Edward (he doesn't have to be a vampire...).

985 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:05:20am

re: #873 MandyManners

Pssssstttt, smart guy: It's Marilyn Vos Savant.

Back in 1996, just two weeks after I moved to NYC with my then-boyfriend, I interviewed with Brainella Ms. vos Savant to be her personal assistant!

Fortunately, God smiled on me by delivering a freakishly heavy downpour as I was walking the few blocks from the Columbus Circle subway station to her office, so that I arrived smelling like wet dog. I did the interview anyway, but didn't get the job -- which would've been a disaster, because the woman had High-Maintenance written all over her.

Another thing I flubbed -- she was dropping hints left and right about the point that her husband was someone well-known and smart, though she wouldn't say his name. It took me about three seconds to connect the dots and realize that she was married to Robert Jarvik, of artificial-heart fame, but I (stupidly) kept mum because I thought it would make me look like a suck-up (!) to say "Oh, wow, Brainella, by any chance is your husband the famous and handsome cardio surgeon Dr. Robert Jarvik?!?"

(Well, I was also reluctant to mention his name because the only other thing I could remember about the Jarvik-7 heart is that Barney Clark eventually died after they put one in him: "Of course I know your husband, Ms. Savant -- he's the doctor who invented the artificial heart that kills people.")

986 Rustler  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 5:00:27am

re: #599 winston06 More like you showing your true colors.

987 MikeyHunt  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 5:01:41am

show me a monkey or ape with a soul.

just one will do

e/o/t

988 Rustler  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 5:07:05am

re: #987 MikeyHunt I'd say look in the mirror but it's obvious you lack a soul.

989 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:17:28am

re: #915 itellu3times

Mmmmmm, well, this isn't exactly the forum for fancy arguments, but again, I suggest, one has to be careful here. Two nothings don't make a something. Nor do you want to say the environment is nonrandom, because then what is it instead, ... managed?

No, I mean to say that the environment DOES possess characteristics, such as temperature, moisture or its relative lack, predators, prey, parasites, etc., that influence which organism traits - caused by their genetic sequences - get to survive to reproduce, and which ones die before they can.

I know you don't mean to say that, but hey. The granularity at which evolution takes place is still very uncertain, and one must always remember the vast majority of DNA does not mutate in every instance or we wouldn't have anything even resembling species.

Of course not. Copying fidelity must be high, or there would be no such things as species. But it cannot be perfect, or species could not change under the influence of the environment, and would simply perish when ecological conditions change.

And then, deterministic chaos is not quite the same as randomness, but can produce very similar results.

Actually life inhabits the border between order and chaos. This is the realm studied by the science of complexity.

So in closing, and Richard Dawkins to the contrary, it remains as misleading to say that evolution is "random" as it is to say that it is "designed".

One element of evolution is randon - genetic mutation. Another element of evolution - environmental selection - is not.

Something along the lines of "stochastic" is probably better, implying regularities and "design spaces". Daniel Dennett writes about this, to some extent. It's subtle, and important, and a topic we're still learning about as the field of molecular biology progresses.

You might also check out spandrels, which are related to the peaks and valleys of probability landscapes. It's all connected with the fact that all genetic mutations have to be mutations of a baseline already-present genome, and do not perpetually start from scratch, but are spot alterations in what is already there.

990 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:23:31am

re: #987 MikeyHunt

show me a monkey or ape with a soul.

just one will do

e/o/t

Actually, great apes can recognize themselves in mirrors, rather than think that they are seeing other members of their own species. Humans can do this, of course, and dolphins, and elephants, but no other species that we've found. It means that they are self-aware - that they identify the mirror images as reflections of I's (as images of themselves) - which indicates that they must possess I's with which they can identify themselves; that is, that they must possesss selves of which they may be self-aware. Not nearly to the degree that humans do; not even close. But they do pass an important threshhold.

991 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:24:26am

re: #534 Salamantis

At the quantum scale, particle-antiparticle pairs randomly pop into and out of existence all the time. Einstein himself studied Brownian motion, which is random, and lost his argument for determinism with Feynmann. And both chemicals and radiation can cause genomic mutations to happen, but where in the genome they happen is entirely random.

Or else you're gonna have to explain how a particular environment knows how to reach inside an organism's genome and tweak a specific codon in a specific way. Good luck with that.

This story is an example. Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island

Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.

In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say...

Pod Mrcaru, for example, had an abundance of plants for the primarily insect-eating lizards to munch on. Physically, however, the lizards were not built to digest a vegetarian diet.

Researchers found that the lizards developed cecal valves—muscles between the large and small intestine—that slowed down food digestion in fermenting chambers, which allowed their bodies to process the vegetation's cellulose into volatile fatty acids.

"They evolved an expanded gut to allow them to process these leaves," Irschick said, adding it was something that had not been documented before. "This was a brand-new structure."

Along with the ability to digest plants came the ability to bite harder, powered by a head that had grown longer and wider.

992 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:31:13am

re: #980 littleO

More monkey business?
For Christ sakes!

What about war! What about socialism on the Rise?

There are posts about them, too. The fact that they are concerns that we should (and do) address doesn't mean that creeping anti-scientific religious dogmatism threatening our succeeding generations in the public schools is not also a concern, or that we should not address it, too.

993 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:33:05am
Who has enough faith to believe we came from a monkey?

Hey, I resemble that remark!

994 2-Drink Minimum  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:35:18am

Every year I travel to the Dordogne and each time my thoughts of Biblical Creationism make me chuckle.

995 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:36:39am

re: #991 Mich-again

That story is an example of a major evolutionary mutation becoming rapidly dominant under extreme environmental selection pressure, because those organisms that lacked it starved to death before they could reproduce. It is the exception rather than the rule, as more often than not, species that suddenly lose their food supplies simply perish. It is not, however, an example of an intelligent and purposeful environment reaching into an organism's genome and changing particular codons in specific ways.

996 akak  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 7:12:50am
Leftists furious over religious materials distributed to IDF soldiers
997 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #995 Salamantis

More from that story..

The new habitat once had its own healthy population of lizards, which were less aggressive than the new implants, Irschick said.

The new species wiped out the indigenous lizard populations, although how it happened is unknown, he said.

The transplanted lizards adapted to their new environment in ways that expedited their evolution physically, Irschick explained.

One species changed dramatically and the other one disappeared. Is it possible the two species created a hybrid. Rare but not impossible. Here is an account of that happening between land and marine iguanas in the Galapagos Islands. Rare hybrids on evolution's way to where?

998 S'latch  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 7:18:13am

I believe that the theory of evolution accurately describes how the various species of life come into existence.

However, I also believe that the statement in Second Chronicles 7:14 is true:

“If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and seek My Face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

I don't believe there is any conflict between these beliefs.

999 J.S.  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 7:24:53am

re: #990 Salamantis

Certain bird species also pass the mirror test for self-recognition. Pdf article here.

1000 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 7:43:51am

Maybe I'm thick, but what exactly is the problem of having descended from a common ancestor of all great apes? Is it the fur?

1001 Mr Secul  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:00:41am

re: #987 MikeyHunt

show me a monkey or ape with a soul.

just one will do

e/o/t

If you believe that you have a soul then you can use yourself as an example of an ape with a soul.

1002 winston06  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:24:21am

re: #620 MandyManners

u r an asshole too

1003 winston06  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:25:13am

re: #636 sattv4u2

i dinged u down too. have a nice day

1004 Mr Secul  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:27:46am

re: #1000 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Maybe I'm thick, but what exactly is the problem of having descended from a common ancestor of all great apes? Is it the fur?

I never understood that part either.

I think that some Christians believe that they deserve better than the bodies that he gave them.

I suspect that they'd like to be made from lightning bolts, or be thousands of feet tall, with eyes that shoot fire.

Its the sin of pride. They are just so full of themselves that they forgot or resent that god put them in a humble container of flesh.

We need to poop, we get BO, we suffer from illness and dementia. They forget that they were born helpless and incontinent. If they are unlucky they will return to that state before they die and will rely on others to feed and clean them. Humans still die in large numbers of hunger and from parasites.

These things are degrading yet god has given us bodies that are prone to them.

Why does god do that? I don't know. There are many Christian answers. It could be because of the fall, it could be to teach us humility... who knows.

Is living in an ape body any worse than not being able to go to the toilet unaided as an adult? Is it worse than dementia or disease or starvation? Or flies laying eggs in your flesh?

If any Christian has an issue about how god treats him or the body that god gave him, then let him take issue with god. Tell god that you think that you deserve better, that you are too important to live in an ape's body. Tell him the kind of body that you want.

And chill out guys, its not permanent.

1005 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:34:39am

re: #997 Mich-again

More from that story..

One species changed dramatically and the other one disappeared. Is it possible the two species created a hybrid. Rare but not impossible. Here is an account of that happening between land and marine iguanas in the Galapagos Islands. Rare hybrids on evolution's way to where?

It all depends upon how genetically distinct these two lizard species were.

Siamese and Persian cats, and different breeds of dogs, can have fertile offspring. Horses and donkeys, or lions and tigers, can have offspring, but they are sterile. Members of more genetically divergent species cannot have offspring at all.

1006 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:40:54am

re: #578 itellu3times

So maybe God *knows*, but he's play-acting for effect cuz *we* don't know and seem to need some extra motivation now and again.

That's what I thought. Thing is, acting in this context is pretending, and pretending to people who are not in the know - is LYING. I suppose God must be considered to take the view that it's ok to lie to people if the purpose is to get them to behave in a certain way, or believe a certain thing? Is God given license to sin in current theological thinking?

1007 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 8:55:23am

re: #999 J.S.

Certain bird species also pass the mirror test for self-recognition. Pdf article here.

I would not be greatly surprised if researchers empirically ascertained that some avian species possess rudiments of self-awareness, although my main candidates would have been the larger and longer living members of the parrot family. While birds' brains are generally small, and contain far fewer neurons than ours, some of them demonstrate a massive system of cortical organization and interconnection the complexity of which renders our own corpus callosum system simple-seeming by comparison. Plus, there is evidence that some parrot species don't merely 'parrot' their vocabularies, but have some degree of understanding of differential definitions, and selectively choose to utter suitable words to respond to appropriate circumstances.

1008 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 9:02:28am

re: #599 winston06

I am being dinged down by some people whom I think might be creationists. They're showing their true colors here

You are also being dinged down by atheists and agnostics who think you're being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole.

1009 Mr Secul  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 9:03:22am

re: #1007 Salamantis

Check out these crows.

This one makes hooks out of wire. The article suggests that she worked it out from first principles.

But this article suggests that she may have had prior experience in making hooks.

This shows using two tools to get the task done.

1010 claire  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 9:20:01am

re: #1000 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Maybe I'm thick, but what exactly is the problem of having descended from a common ancestor of all great apes? Is it the fur?

I don't get it either, but apparently to these people if you are an animal it means you cannot possess a soul, and if you don't have a soul you cannot go to heaven. So you can't tell them that they are part of the animal kingdom, it will magically poof their souls out of their bodies and keep them from their ultimate reward.....

1011 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 9:39:13am

re: #1009 Mr Secul

Check out these crows.

This one makes hooks out of wire. The article suggests that she worked it out from first principles.

But this article suggests that she may have had prior experience in making hooks.

This shows using two tools to get the task done.

Kewl! I wonder what the environmental exigency on that island is that selected such capacities...

You might like this:

Tools, Language and Text:
The Serial Isomorphic Evolution of Symbolic Capacity in Human Consciousness

[Link: blogs.myspace.com...]

1012 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 10:06:23am

re: #239 Sharmuta


But I also think Naso hit on something- I suppose God could alter the law, but I still think He's bound to His promises. If He is Truth, then His word is True, He cannot break His promises.

I'm sure you know the phrase "works in mysterious ways". There are worse things that gods do than break a promise, but then there is also the issue of whether or not the interpretation of the promise is correct to begin with.

That the promise is good forever, for example

One is after all also taking the word of the writer and that the writer correctly interpreted god, and that it was god talking....and so on.

Seems to me that it is only an individual who hears god directly who can honestly, if not correctly, know what was said.

1013 Boolz  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 10:16:25am

anybody for scratching both evolution and creationism from the curriculum and just adding an extra period of gym?

1014 Salamantis  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #1013 Boolz

anybody for scratching both evolution and creationism from the curriculum and just adding an extra period of gym?

Not me. Keep evolution in the science curriculum (because it's science), and keep creationism out (because it's not science).

1015 charles_martel  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #1013 Boolz

Yes, and in that gym class, the skinny kid with glasses can represent evolution, and the big beefy kid can represent creationism, and they can wrestle.....wait a minute.....

1016 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 10:29:51am

re: #1013 Boolz

anybody for scratching both evolution and creationism from the curriculum and just adding an extra period of gym?

In truth, practically speaking that is pretty much the status right now anyway. The bickering is mostly about formalizing the situation.

1017 callahan23  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 10:41:13am

Better late than never.
To Donnie: I do! {half a /}

re: #1000 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Maybe I'm thick, but what exactly is the problem of having descended from a common ancestor of all great apes? Is it the fur?

I'm as thick in that respect as you are./

1018 Boolz  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 12:16:33pm

re: #1016 Naso Tang

well, then maybe we can combine the two into a comprehension english class. Just pose it into essay questions and let the kids sort it out for themselves, being more concerned about logic, grammar, and spelling skills than actually caring about what they believe. For example, essay question #1...the platypus: millions of years of evolutionary practical jokes or was God just stoned on Day 6?

1019 J.S.  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 2:13:40pm

re: #1007 Salamantis

Yes -- the avian brains -- well worth studying. (I recall reading years and years ago -- it was on the topic of applying cognitive tests to animals -- and went into a brief history -- and, as I recall, it dealt with some early tests designed by Russians (these tests go way, way back), and the tests were ingenious and creative...AND, they tested birds (crows, i believe)...One of the tests consisted in displaying, then covering up items (which the animal would "want"), to see if the animal would recall the location of the object (or like those tests which Piaget used -- do objects magically disappear, simply because you can no longer see them? etc.) -- anyway, the crows scored higher in some of these tests than did dogs...(including, iirc, numeracy skills.)

1020 iam7545  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 3:23:31pm

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Hmmm - now there is an intelligent debater!

LMFAO

1021 iam7545  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 3:27:40pm

re: #535 ploome hineni

stop wasting your time

seeing you try to reason with people who are unable to comprehend is making me NERVOUS

No need to be nervous for me. I would be more concerned about people that are so obsessed here that they have 30,000 and 70,000 posts respectively and resort to profanity and swarming to prove their mindless point.

I would be VERY worried about sickos like that.

1022 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 4:12:58pm

re: #1010 claire

I don't get it either, but apparently to these people if you are an animal it means you cannot possess a soul, and if you don't have a soul you cannot go to heaven. So you can't tell them that they are part of the animal kingdom, it will magically poof their souls out of their bodies and keep them from their ultimate reward.....

I see it as a primal aversion to being linked to dirty, smelly, inferior animals. Maybe for some it's about the lack of a soul, but I think most who spout the "I didn't come from no monkey" line are ignorant people who need something to feel superior to, and they feel insulted in some deep limbic way by the suggestion that they're linked to lesser animals. It's an irrational revulsion.

1023 Roentgen  Mon, Jan 26, 2009 6:57:32pm

The cover story for the February issue of "National Geographic" is about Darwin, marking the 150th anniversary of his famous book, and the 200th anniversary of his birthday. As usual, the photos are great.

1024 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 3:12:14am

re: #987 MikeyHunt

show me a monkey or ape with a soul.

just one will do

e/o/t

Better yet, call my surgeon and let him know what part of a human body he has to cut into so we can see the soul of a human!

1025 Ron Shaw  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 7:33:57am

'I'm a soul man...dododotado...I'm a soul man...'

'...and I'll be yo monkey man, too.'

1026 Wendya  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:08:01am

Oh Please......

Apparently, evolution is just a disguised form of racism:

[Link: www.thetruthforyouth.com...]

1027 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 27, 2009 11:59:13am

re: #1026 Wendya

Oh Please......

Apparently, evolution is just a disguised form of racism:

[Link: www.thetruthforyouth.com...]

That's the kind of garbage creationists use to indoctrinate their kids.


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