Spendulus Passes House
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The largest spending bill in history has passed the House. Here are the Final Vote Results for Roll Call 70.
345 comments
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phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:01:29pm |
we won’t have any change left or hope for that matter
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:06pm |
The largest spending bill in history has passed the House.
/and no one even had time to read it
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:02:30pm |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:03:34pm |
Dan Lipinski’s such a chickenshit. He voted present.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:03:41pm |
re: #5 Viking6
despair will cause you to make keyboard mistakes.
But it did make me giggle, so there is at least a bright side.
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:17pm |
wait’ll all the morons who voted for these people get the bill.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:18pm |
Don’t be fooled by the Republicans who voted against it. Where was their sense of fiscal responsibility when they were in power? This is all partisan bullshit.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:04:20pm |
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:18pm |
Somewhere Messers Smoot and Hawley are smiling as they are now no longer associated with the greatest F- -K up in the History of American Government.
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jorline Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:20pm |
HURRY, FELLAS, LET’S VOTE, I AM OFF TO ROME!
Pelosi is hoping to lead a delegation to Europe; there’s a meeting with the Pope and an award from an Italian legislative group.
Calls to Pelosi’s spokesman went unreturned.
In the rushing, Democrats have now broken their promise to have the public see the $790 billion bill for 48 hours before any vote.
Sorry if this is a repost, but it’s the first time I’ve been able to go online today.
I’m blown away the American public is going to put up with this load of crap.
Stay in Europe Nancy.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:25pm |
My congress critter, Debbie Halvorson (D-Dipstick) voted for it. I’ll remember that come 2010.
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Roll-aid Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:35pm |
But wait! I haven’t had my 48 hours to read it, just like Nancy promised me!
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:44pm |
re: #4 Killian Bundy
/and no one even had time to read it
You used a sarc tag, but you’re absolutely right. Posted this earlier, but it makes your case:
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:48pm |
‘Historic’ Stimulus Is Egregious Waste
Economic Recovery: Congress is confident it will send President Obama a stimulus bill to sign by Monday’s holiday. Unless something unforeseen happens, what lawmakers will put on his desk is a $789 billion waste.
The old quip that no one should watch while laws or sausages get made is true — especially with this Congress. America’s legislative body has moved away from creating anything of value and instead habitually turns out things that belong in a landfill.
None have ever been more dump-worthy than the spending bill being sold as economic stimulus.
Harvard economist Robert Barro calls the legislation “probably the worst bill that has been put forward since the 1930s.”
“I mean it’s wasting a tremendous amount of money,” he said in an interview with the Atlantic. “I don’t think it will expand the economy… . I think it’s garbage.”
Rep. Tom Cole, Republican from Oklahoma, was a bit more refined but no less biting in his commentary. Borrowing from Winston Churchill, he wryly observed from the House floor Thursday morning that “Never have so few spent so much so quickly to do so little.”
/and, except for the Three Stooges of the Senate, the Bonkeys totally own this obscene travesty of epic proportions
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Ojoe Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:05:53pm |
Groovy. More layers of government inefficiently doing things that we could do ourselves, with officious oversight. Gee, this will speed things up. Plus, take my money to pay for it, or borrow the bucks so my kids have to pay it back double or triple.
Does not make much sense to me.
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pink freud Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:06:05pm |
re: #10 jcw46
wait’ll all the children, grandchildren, great grandchildrenmorons who voted for these people get the bill.
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:06:06pm |
It’s true, the old cliche.
I see a light at the end of the tunnel.
But it’s a train.
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:06:25pm |
re: #9 MrSilverDragon
Thats what is so nice about the lizard army, even when operating in doom and gloom we can always see a better side to the situation.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:06:35pm |
don’t worry, arlen told megyn kelly that he would read through it and make sure none of the bad stuff got through!
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:06:37pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Don’t be fooled by the Republicans who voted against it. Where was their sense of fiscal responsibility when they were in power? This is all partisan bullshit.
If I could upding you 1k times I would.
Although we didn’t want these fools in power, we ALLOWED liars and frauds to name themselves Republican and conservative to get elected. How’s that working for us now?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:06pm |
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:23pm |
It will probably pass in the Senate and this is what we can expect.
Here come exploding welfare rolls
Thomas Lifson
It’s all about incentives, and buried in the stimulus bill is a huge inducement for states to explode the numbers of people receiving welfare. The editors of National Review spotted the fatal provision:
Under the provisions in the stimulus bill, states will once again be paid a bounty for expanding their welfare rolls. As reported by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, the federal government will now pay states 80 percent of the cost for each new family they sign up for welfare. That means that states will get $4 for every $1 they spend. This will leave the main welfare program, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), with a funding mechanism similar to the one that supports Medicaid. As Brian Blase argues here, Medicaid’s funding ratio, which gives states $1 to $3 for every dollar they spend, has caused state Medicaid spending to skyrocket. If Medicaid’s dollar-for-dollar model has proved ruinous, Obama’s new $4-to-$1 ratio for welfare will prove, in all likelihood, four times so.
Needless to say, people who receive checks from the government are loyal Democrat voters. Say farewell to the prosperity brought about by welfare reform. The new incentive system favors growth of welfare dependency.
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Empire1 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:07:57pm |
Mike Castle voted Nay? I think I’m gonna faint …
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:05pm |
The only saving grace is that people who voted for the Democrats are also the ones in the lowest most vulnerable economic brackets, and when the shit hits the fan they will be the ones in the bread lines.
good freaking riddance.
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:13pm |
Well, one bright note:Dollhouse premires tonight.
I keep having to turn off the news.
I can only stand to catch a few moments’ worth then dip back out.
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:23pm |
What does stimulus really cost?
When you added in maintaining the new programs, the interest etc….
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:40pm |
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phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:47pm |
fazio was on ed schultz yesterday saying he wouldn’t vote for it…..let me see if he kept his word
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:08:57pm |
re: #36 jcm
What does stimulus really cost?
When you added in maintaining the new programs, the interest etc….
I mean, what can you really buy with that? A pair of earrings?
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:22pm |
Ok its offical now. I want my unicorn, my new house and I will no longer work for a living. I will become the blight on the nation that I have avoided for 57 years just cuz I can, yes I can, yes I can
/
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:26pm |
re: #31 MJ
When will the government pay my mortgage off?
This is like those “interest only” mortgages that you cannot pay off; just keep refinancing and refinancing until someone forecloses.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:28pm |
What’s really scary is that this is an “emergency” spending bill & not ever the normal budget for this year.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:39pm |
There was a bipartisan rejection of the porkfest in the House even as it passed by Democrats hands.
Seven Democrats voted to oppose the measure along with the entire GOP. Daniel Lipinski, a Democrat from the 3d District of IL voted Present.
The seven: Bright, DeFazio, Griffith, Minnick, Peterson, Schuler, Taylor.
The Democrats showed they will spend the nation into oblivion when given the option even though economists believe that the spending plan will not help in the short or long term.
Of particular note, while the numbers will be thrown around, consider that of the roughly $230 billion in tax related items, $68 billion of that amount is an AMT patch that I had previously noted would be used to get those on the fence to vote for this crap. The actual tax breaks are a pittance of the whole, and most of the government spending is to grow government, not the private sector, which would have to shoulder the burden of repaying this mess for generations to come. The actual tax breaks for individuals will be lost to many as states and localities increase their taxes to cover their own shortfall, meaning that the government gets it going and coming, and taxpayers see no benefit.
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jetprop Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:40pm |
This bill really blows.
At least there was no GOP support.
Dims own this POS.
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:09:49pm |
But on a bright note, this bill helps homeowners ”weatherproof” their homes and that is the ONE THING we never bothered to do, as we live at a beach.
But, maybe I’ll let my own tax dollars come back to help me with this last little money saving project. ;)
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redheadredstate Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:03pm |
The money set aside for ACORN scares me the most. The Dems are systematically eliminating any sort of fairness in the electoral system by stealth and outright stealing. There will be no more peaceful transition if this keeps up. The O will be named supreme Poobah for life and we will be driving our 2009 vehicles 40 years from now just like the Cubans are still driving around in their 1950’s Buicks. G-d help us all!
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:09pm |
re: #34 Shug
The only saving grace is that people who voted for the Democrats are also the ones in the lowest most vulnerable economic brackets, and when the shit hits the fan they will be the ones in the bread lines.
good freaking riddance.
Not really. Please see my #30.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:25pm |
So much for something new in Washington.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:35pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:54pm |
re: #27 jcw46
Yup, and all this complaining from Republicans falls on deaf ears. There’s no indication that Republicans have learned their lesson. They are just grand standing.
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:10:57pm |
re: #33 buzzsawmonkey
I thought of this a couple of times for use but couldn’t remember the name of the song or the show it was in.
Good job!
(as always)
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:11:00pm |
re: #13 SummerSong
The market likes certainty, and they had priced in this eventuality - Democrats had the numbers to make this happen. It was a matter of time. Of course, the media will now claim that this is a legislative victory for Obama, even though Obama’s going to own the worst economic policy decision in the last 60 years since at least the New Deal was formulated.
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:11:29pm |
The seven democrats who voted Nay are now pariahs to their party. Shouldn’t they get a thank you note?
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:11:32pm |
I blame the republican party for acting like such assholes when they were in charge.
had they acted like conservatives. acted with honor. acted with restraint, they would still be in charge.
but they acted like democrat lite. Corrupt. bloated.
I blame them for allowing Pelosi to gain control.
I am pissed off about this. Incompetent fools!
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jorline Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:06pm |
I feel like Monica Lewinsky right now and didn’t even get a cigar.
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:13pm |
re: #35 mean Gene
Well, one bright note:Dollhouse premires tonight.
I keep having to turn off the news.
I can only stand to catch a few moments’ worth then dip back out.
i still won’t watch or listen to this Chicago hustler mumble and jive.
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:15pm |
re: #47 midwestgak
Not really. Please see my #30.
life on welfare is no picnic. they can have it. all of them
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:25pm |
re: #49 phoenixgirl
never mind, he’s a senator
Wondering for a minute there if you meant “Fazio” or “DeFazio”. DeFazio voted against it in the House.
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:27pm |
re: #39 Shug
I mean, what can you really buy with that? A pair of earrings?
*snort* *hack* *cough*
Thank you, I have to clean lunch off my keyboard!
ROFL!
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albusteve Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:30pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
Yup, and all this complaining from Republicans falls on deaf ears. There’s no indication that Republicans have learned their lesson. They are just grand standing.
go wash your face…
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brookly red Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:51pm |
re: #34 Shug
The only saving grace is that people who voted for the Democrats are also the ones in the lowest most vulnerable economic brackets, and when the shit hits the fan they will be the ones in the bread lines.
good freaking riddance.
I don’t think it works like that.
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:51pm |
re: #30 midwestgak
Interesting post. One quote kind of confused me:
As reported by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, the federal government will now pay states 80 percent of the cost for each new family they sign up for welfare. That means that states will get $4 for every $1 they spend.
Okay, so what? If this is a roll-back of the welfare reform under Clinton (thanks to Newt Gingrich), isn’t it actually an additional expense for the state? Let’s say the total cost of new families added comes to $10 million. If the Feds send $8 million, the state is still spending $2 million more than it would have had they not gone looking for families to sign up.
And states like California are already bankrupt.
Guess I don’t get it.
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acwgusa Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:53pm |
Fuck this. I’m going to quit my job, renounce my citizenship, and work under the table. I’ll get taxed less.
/only partly sarc….
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redheadredstate Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:12:56pm |
re: #56 Shug
I blame the republican party for acting like such assholes when they were in charge.
had they acted like conservatives. acted with honor. acted with restraint, they would still be in charge.
but they acted like democrat lite. Corrupt. bloated.
I blame them for allowing Pelosi to gain control.
I am pissed off about this. Incompetent fools!
Shug-YOU RAWK!
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:00pm |
In other news, Vito the Loan Shark is retiring.
“That bill they just passed, it makes me cry. All my life I was a loan shark, and I never could do such a job. These amateurs, they surpassed anything I ever done. I’m retiring.”
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molding_perception Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:29pm |
I will keep my money and rights, you keep the change.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:41pm |
re: #27 jcw46
If I could upding you 1k times I would.
Although we didn’t want these fools in power, we ALLOWED liars and frauds to name themselves Republican and conservative to get elected. How’s that working for us now?
How is the fact that folks got angry against GOPers for the last two election cycles and allowed the Democrats to control all three branches of government, putting in place the most inept, self-centered, and fiscally irresponsible bunch of politicians in recent history. Yeah, that really worked out great!
The GOP deserved to lose seats because of their own fiscal irresponsibility and criminality and ethics issues, but the Democrats have made all three central to their administration including all the the tax cheats in Congress and cabinet appointees to the ethics woes of folks like Rangel and Murtha.
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oronpam Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:44pm |
If this is where we are after three weeks of “The One”, its scary to think where we’ll be come the end of summer.
I need to raise my weekly budget for adult beverages.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:13:57pm |
Replace the word PORK where they say SPAM
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:14:09pm |
re: #26 phoenixgirl
That was, of course, before pinned to petard he created, he also admitted that since he gave his word to Reid, he couldn’t go back on it.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:14:19pm |
re: #60 Honorary Yooper
Wondering for a minute there if you meant “Fazio” or “DeFazio”. DeFazio voted against it in the House.
lol, maybe it was de fazio…..whatever one that was on ed schultz’s show said they wouldn’t vote for it
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:14:22pm |
This bill of lard still has to pass the Senate, no?
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Diamond Bullet Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:14:27pm |
I efiled my tax return today because of this bill. I want my Federal refund ASAP before another zillion dollars get printed and inflation jumps to 30%. I think I’ll invest it in some medicines and C-rations.
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phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:15:04pm |
re: #75 Honorary Yooper
This bill of lard still has to pass the Senate, no?
could have been fozie bear/ or fonzie even/
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gop_patriot Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:15:24pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Don’t be fooled by the Republicans who voted against it. Where was their sense of fiscal responsibility when they were in power? This is all partisan bullshit.
Speaking as a conservative Republican, I would say that not every Republican vote was partisan, that many of these folks really are fiscally conservative and think this bill is socialist crap.
On the other hand, I’m trying to remember the last time Republicans were in power (excluding the President of course). This bunch of Senators and Reps are some of the lamest, wimpiest, weakest GOPers to ever come down the pike. They were never in power, even when they had the majority of votes.
Note that I said some, not all. Not slamming the GOP in general, just some of our aisle-crossing elected officials.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:15:27pm |
re: #54 Iron Fist
And that’s the scary thing. I doubt that anybody really knows what is and is not in this bill. They may know bits and pieces that are near and dear to their hearts, but everything? No way.
So, Collins and Specter both got on the TV and promised to change their votes on Porkapalooza if the House stuffed the pork back in (which they reportedly did).
/the vote’s coming up, think they’ve read it?
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Jetpilot1101 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:16:09pm |
Hold on to your wallets folks and may God help us all.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:16:34pm |
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P. Aaron Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:16:47pm |
I didn’t vote for this! Did you?
It’s a game to these pricks.
I am sure members of congress won’t personally be affected by this madness.
I am sure their healthcare records won’t be spied on!
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:16:59pm |
re: #70 oronpam
If this is where we are after three weeks of “The One”, its scary to think where we’ll be come the end of summer.
I need to raise my weekly budget for adult beverages.
Ask for a bailout. It is part of the bread, beer, and circuses bill.
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:07pm |
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:09pm |
re: #64 subsailor68
Interesting post. One quote kind of confused me:
As reported by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, the federal government will now pay states 80 percent of the cost for each new family they sign up for welfare. That means that states will get $4 for every $1 they spend.
Okay, so what? If this is a roll-back of the welfare reform under Clinton (thanks to Newt Gingrich), isn’t it actually an additional expense for the state? Let’s say the total cost of new families added comes to $10 million. If the Feds send $8 million, the state is still spending $2 million more than it would have had they not gone looking for families to sign up.
And states like California are already bankrupt.
Guess I don’t get it.
If a state spends $1 and gets $4, it has gained $3 in total.
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Mr. Owl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:22pm |
Anyone know where i can get a state by state breakdown?
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:17:45pm |
re: #59 Shug
life on welfare is no picnic. they can have it. all of them
Umm, I don’t like paying for it so I don’t want them to have it.
Additionally, welfare is a curse. I wish it on no one.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:18:09pm |
re: #87 Gella
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
HHHAAAAAHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAHHHAHHAAAA
Thanks,, I needed a good laugh!
Oh ,, wait ,,, you’re serious !?!?!
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:04pm |
re: #87 Gella
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
Only if they read about 2 pages a minute.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:06pm |
re: #87 Gella
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
Short answer: No.
Longer answer: Hell no.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:06pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Don’t be fooled by the Republicans who voted against it. Where was their sense of fiscal responsibility when they were in power? This is all partisan bullshit.
I don’t recall any spending bill this large ever coming out of congress. Without enough time for any member to read it.
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:11pm |
re: #69 lawhawk
Calm down. I didn’t say we should’ve not voted because they were frauds. There are/were other ways to get these idiots out of the party. I would never vote for a democrat/liberal or not voted no matter how rino their opposition was.
OK?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:35pm |
re: #87 Gella
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
it came out of conference at 11pm last night…go figure
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:19:47pm |
re: #88 eschew_obfuscation
If a state spends $1 and gets $4, it has gained $3 in total.
Sure, but to get the $3 (all of which goes to cover the cost of this specific program) they still have to spend the other $1 on the same program. So it’s not like that dollar can go to repairing roads, bridges, or other real responsibilities. It goes to either the deadbeats on welfare, or the deadbeats in the welfare office.
And that $1 has to come from somewhere - like the taxpayers in that state.
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:04pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
HHHAAAAAHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAHHHAHHAAAA
Thanks,, I needed a good laugh!
Oh ,, wait ,,, you’re serious !?!?!
no, i am not serious, but its blind leading blind
considering major Daily never said what Chicago needs 9bill for, well but we all know
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:20pm |
Read this posting off of the link for the true cost of the Stimulus. I thought it was pretty spot on:
True act of highway robbery.
There are two types of people in America today:
1- those who remember the Carter years and
2- those who are going to find out.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:22pm |
“Roll Call 70” should be the brand name for a pork sausage that is mostly fat and causes you to collapse.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:35pm |
re: #100 Gella
no, i am not serious, but its blind leading blind
considering major Daily never said what Chicago needs 9bill for, well but we all know
Daley wants it to line his pockets, pure and simple.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:46pm |
re: #85 P. Aaron
I didn’t vote for this! Did you?
It’s a game to these pricks.
I am sure members of congress won’t personally be affected by this madness.
I am sure their healthcare records won’t be spied on!
If the medical records software ever gets done, unless they have military level security, it is likely to be as full of holes as a Democrat’s tax return. And there will be many hackers trying to break in.
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:20:59pm |
re: #93 Iron Fist
Collins’ and Specter’s word is about as meaningful as the promise of fidelity from a whore.
Tonight I’ve blocked out some time to write Michael Steele.
Collins, Spector and Snowe need to be ejected from the party. They get nothing from the RNC for the next election, they have to run as an (I) opposed by the party.
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KenJen Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:21:10pm |
re: #87 Gella
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
They should be given a pop quiz. 100 multiple choice questions. Miss just one and you cant vote.
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:21:21pm |
re: #103 Honorary Yooper
Daley wants it to line his pockets, pure and simple.
exactly, considering he said there will be no more hiring of his family into the city, BS i say, ohh and new parks, dont forget new parks
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:21:43pm |
re: #106 KenJen
They should be given a pop quiz. 100 multiple choice questions. Miss just one and you cant vote.
ROFLLLLLLLLL
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:21:51pm |
re: #30 midwestgak
“As reported by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, the federal government federal tax-paying American Citizens will now pay states 80 percent of the cost for each new family they sign up for welfare.”
slight clarification.
I get a little upset with the use of ‘government’ as if it has all this money of it’s own. Like a rich uncle. I wonder if there are any studies of exactly how many people really believe that?
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:03pm |
re: #105 jcm
Tonight I’ve blocked out some time to write Michael Steele.
Collins, Spector and Snowe need to be ejected from the party. They get nothing from the RNC for the next election, they have to run as an (I) opposed by the party.
That raises an interesting question: Do they represent their constituents or the Republican Party?
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:08pm |
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself. — Mark Twain
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. — Winston Churchill
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. — George Bernard Shaw
A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. — G. Gordon Liddy
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill
There is no distinctly native American criminal class…save Congress. — Mark Twain
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Mr. Owl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:37pm |
re: #87 Gella
I saw that some woman from CNN radio claimed to have stayed up all night reading the whole thing but there is no way anyone read and understood everything in it.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:46pm |
re: #90 Mr. Owl
Anyone know where i can get a state by state breakdown?
All 50 states will break down under this bill…
Oh, you want to know where the money is going? Good luck with that since no one actually has had a chance to review what the damned thing actually says. I’ve seen some info thrown around about how NJ might get a few billion dollars, which begs the question on how exactly this money is being divided up.
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acwgusa Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:56pm |
re: #104 Kosh’s Shadow
If the medical records software ever gets done, unless they have military level security, it is likely to be as full of holes as a Democrat’s tax return. And there will be many hackers trying to break in.
If I were an identity thief, I would be just giddy over the central medical records database. Knowing the U.S. Governments casual attitude to certains parts of its IT, I am really afraid.
/FAA got hacked this week.
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SFGoth Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:22:57pm |
On November 1, 2004 we had a Republican Congress and a Republican president, and just over 4 years later we have this. Speechless.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:06pm |
re: #105 jcm
Tonight I’ve blocked out some time to write Michael Steele.
Collins, Spector and Snowe need to be ejected from the party. They get nothing from the RNC for the next election, they have to run as an (I) opposed by the party.
Hi {jcm} Question. Can an elected senator be ejected for cause? Serious inquiry.
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mattm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:17pm |
At least all the GOP and some Dems voted against it.
Now CALL YOU SENS AND THE RINOS FROM MAINE/PA and tell them to oppose it. It still can be stopped, let’s hope just two change ther vote ofver the last vote to kill it.
You can send two free faxes(per e-mail address per day) at faxzero.com This seems to be easier as may Sens offices phones are busy, not answered to sent to a full VM box.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:23pm |
Glad to see the House Republicans had the balls to make this shit stain of a bill completely on the Dems.
Grow some balls Senate.
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:28pm |
And lest anyone trip lightly over the significance: this is the largest spending bill in the history of our species. In the history of the planet. I hope future generations will accept my apologies. If we make it that far.
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:44pm |
re: #113 Mr. Owl
I saw that some woman from CNN radio claimed to have stayed up all night reading the whole thing but there is no way anyone read and understood everything in it.
all 1100 pages? woowiieee she is a fast reader
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:54pm |
re: #114 lawhawk
All
5057 states will break down under this bill…
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:23:56pm |
re: #105 jcm
Tonight I’ve blocked out some time to write Michael Steele.
Collins, Spector and Snowe need to be ejected from the party. They get nothing from the RNC for the next election, they have to run as an (I) opposed by the party.
Yep. the Republican party needs an enema
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:27pm |
re: #105 jcm
I sent my note after the first Senate vote on the porkulus bill stating the exact same sentiment….adding that the RNC will not see another penny from me unless they do take action against those three.
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:29pm |
re: #100 Gella
no, i am not serious, but its blind leading blind
considering major Daily never said what Chicago needs 9bill for, well but we all know
Seriously, I’m a wonk. Especially her in WA I do read bills. I then ask extremely pointed question.
I have yet gotten answer that indicates to me anyone reads bills.
I’ve even ask bill authors questions, and stumped them. Which indicates they outline an idea and the staffers write it.
Even things as short as the Iraq use of Force resolution (a couple of pages, 23 points in short paragraphs) listen to the lawmakers I doubt they read that!
I don’t believe they read shit.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:32pm |
re: #110 ggt
“As reported by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, the
federal governmentfederal tax-paying American Citizens will now pay states 80 percent of the cost for each new family they sign up for welfare.”slight clarification.
I get a little upset with the use of ‘government’ as if it has all this money of it’s own. Like a rich uncle. I wonder if there are any studies of exactly how many people really believe that?
Absolutely correct about who really pays the bills.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:47pm |
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lookingup Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:47pm |
Desperate congress critters do desperate things. The dems are following Obama on the path of bankruptcy much like the repubs followed Bush even though he was not consecrative enough for them. Shit happens and will continue to happen.
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grahamski Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:24:54pm |
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:25:22pm |
re: #103 Honorary Yooper
Daley wants it to line his pockets, pure and simple.
Daley is betting on the Olympics.
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:25:23pm |
re: #105 jcm
Tonight I’ve blocked out some time to write Michael Steele.
Collins, Spector and Snowe need to be ejected from the party. They get nothing from the RNC for the next election, they have to run as an (I) opposed by the party.
That’s a very good idea.
Thanks, will do the same.
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Mr. Owl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:25:25pm |
re: #114 lawhawk
All 50 states will break down under this bill…
Oh, you want to know where the money is going? Good luck with that since no one actually has had a chance to review what the damned thing actually says. I’ve seen some info thrown around about how NJ might get a few billion dollars, which begs the question on how exactly this money is being divided up.
no, i meant the voting based on state since the link only gave yeas and nays and i don’t know all my state reps, just the one for my district.
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redheadredstate Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:25:39pm |
re: #112 Athos
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself. — Mark Twain
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. — Winston Churchill
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. — George Bernard Shaw
A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. — G. Gordon Liddy
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. — Winston Churchill
There is no distinctly native American criminal class…save Congress. — Mark Twain
I adore Mark Twain even though the said this:
“While the rest of the species is descended from apes, redheads are descended from cats.” MARK TWAIN
Being a redhead that kind of set me off, but then being a redhead a lot of things set me off
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gregg Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:25:39pm |
Anyone know approximately when the Senate will be voting on the bill?
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:25:58pm |
re: #117 SFGoth
On November 1, 2004 we had a Republican Congress and a Republican president, and just over 4 years later we have this. Speechless.
The problem was, that Republican Congress was pretty much republican in name only, and the Republican President was embarking on a massive screwup of his 2nd term. Their failures put us in this position.
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:26:20pm |
re: #133 ggt
Daley is betting on the Olympics.
gii he is insane, doesn’t he know that there is an after Olympic syndrome?
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:26:44pm |
re: #104 Kosh’s Shadow
If the medical records software ever gets done, unless they have military level security, it is likely to be as full of holes as a Democrat’s tax return. And there will be many hackers trying to break in.
Yep. And much of the health care stuff in this bill comes from Tom Daschle’s proposals. I sure won’t link to Huffington Post, but will offer this from an article Daschle published. The only word to describe this is: IRONY.
The time is now for us to take this challenge head-on. What we need is a change in approach. In my book, Critical: What We Can Do About the American Health-Care Crisis, I have proposed a Federal Health Board that would be a foundation from which we could address all three problems. In many ways, the Federal Health Board would resemble our current Federal Reserve Board for the banking industry. Just as the Federal Reserve ensures certain standards, transparency and performance for our banking industry, the Fed Health would ensure harmonization across public programs of health-care protocols, benefits, and transparency. Ultimately, the Fed Health would offer a public framework within which a private health-care system could operate more effectively and efficiently.
In other news, Daschle has proposed to restructure the Department of Defense to make it operate more like the Post Office.
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lookingup Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:27:03pm |
re: #130 lookingup
Desperate congress critters do desperate things. The dems are following Obama on the path of bankruptcy much like the repubs followed Bush even though he was not consecrative enough for them. Shit happens and will continue to happen.
Conservative need new glasses I guess
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:28:12pm |
re: #111 Creeping Eruption
That raises an interesting question: Do they represent their constituents or the Republican Party?
Neither IMHO. Oppositions to the bill is at 63% nationwide. Most certainly not the (R)s.
That’s one of the pitfalls of a Representative Republican, we are supposed to elect people based judgement and ideals who will look out for the interests of the constituents and the country. But we (collectively) for to long have elected those who promise to do things for us.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:28:19pm |
Conspiracy alert:
Why is Nancy traveling to Rome? to meet with Soros and personally thank him for destroying our economy — all to make this level of spending fraud possible?
/
or not/
&
I’m not going to make any excuses…If stuff hasn’t worked, if people don’t feel like I’ve led the country in the right direction then you’ll have a new president.
-Barack Obama
OK.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:28:53pm |
re: #107 Gella
exactly, considering he said there will be no more hiring of his family into the city, BS i say, ohh and new parks, dont forget new parks
There’s always the 2016 Olympics.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:07pm |
It is a sham, wrapped in a travesty, inside an abomination.
/~Winston Churchill
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:07pm |
re: #140 Gella
He’s to blinded by his own magnificence.
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:21pm |
re: #87 Gella
i am just wondering did anybody even read all 1100 pages of the bill, before they voted?
No need. Rest assured it has been thoroughly fine-tooth combed. Page by page. Line by line.
From Time Magazine Nov 25
As Obama’s fledgling economic team bolts together a stimulus package that could cost the nation’s taxpayers upwards of half a trillion dollars, the President-elect said the old ways of building a federal budget — often piling additional billions onto hidebound programs of dubious value — are over. He pledged that his Administration would go through the federal budget “page by page, line by line, eliminating those programs we don’t need and insisting that those that we do need operate in a sensible, cost-effective way.” He referred to the “hard-pressed middle class” and declared that “their government is on their side” — a jibe at the Bush Administration’s preoccupation with restoring the fortunes of Wall Street.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:37pm |
re: #147 FrogMarch
Conspiracy alert:
Why is Nancy traveling to Rome? to meet with Soros and personally thank him for destroying our economy — all to make this level of spending fraud possible?
/
or not/&
-Barack ObamaOK.
She doesn’t have to travel to Rome to meet Soros. All he has to do is pull her out of his back pocket at any time!
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:29:49pm |
re: #127 jcm
Even if they did read this stuff they have no understanding of it.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:30:05pm |
re: #137 gregg
Anyone know approximately when the Senate will be voting on the bill?
Guessing before 6:00 p.m. EST. Prior scheduling of a trip by one of our leaders demands it.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:30:09pm |
re: #147 FrogMarch
Conspiracy alert:
Why is Nancy traveling to Rome? to meet with Soros and personally thank him for destroying our economy — all to make this level of spending fraud possible?
/
or not/&
-Barack ObamaOK.
maybe he will be hounded into resigning…HA!….probably not
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:31:26pm |
re: #157 midwestgak
Guessing before 6:00 p.m. EST. Prior scheduling of a trip by one of our leaders demands it.
Heh, heh. Like it! (But in reality, good old Nancy’s already done her damage and can take off, crack a bottle of bubbly, and wait for the news from the Senate.)
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:31:27pm |
re: #157 midwestgak
Guessing before 6:00 p.m. EST. Prior scheduling of a trip by one of our leaders demands it.
The House already voted. Pelosi is free to get on her 6 pm flight. The Senate will probably vote on it some time late late night
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lookingup Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:32:15pm |
Is Nancy using her Air Force jet to make this junket?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:32:27pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
The House already voted. Pelosi is free to get on her 6 pm flight. The Senate will probably vote on it some time late late night
What’s the necessary number for approval in the Senate? 50% or 60%? If it’s 60%, then we still have a fighting chance.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:32:36pm |
re: #162 lookingup
Is Nancy using her Air Force jet to make this junket?
Only if her broom is in for service!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:32:51pm |
re: #96 FrogMarch
I don’t recall any spending bill this large ever coming out of congress. Without enough time for any member to read it.
I also find the complaints about “not enough time to read a large bill” complaints to be disingenuous as well. Remember this scene from Fahrenheit 911….
Skip to about 1:00. Is this anything different? They don’t read these bills, they never have and it shouldn’t surprise you that they aren’t going to start anytime soon. This is nothing new. Where was the outrage when Republicans controlled congress? This is selective outrage, it’s one of the benefits of not being in control. We can all sit on the sidelines and pretend that we’d be doing something better or different.
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DeafDog Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:33:07pm |
re: #122 Pullus Iulius
And lest anyone trip lightly over the significance: this is the largest spending bill in the history of our species. In the history of the planet. I hope future generations will accept my apologies. If we make it that far.
The bill is basically a bunch of transfer payments. Giving more cash and benefits to unemployed.
This may be a good idea (I don’t think so, but we can disagree), but it certainly will not stimulate the economy. In economic terms, it will discourage these people from finding other jobs, which will be the opposite of a stimulous.
The good news/bad news is that the economy may recover anyway.
If the economy does not recover, we will get to have an even bigger stimulous package this fall.
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Amer-I-Can Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:33:23pm |
Hold on to your wallets Boys and Girls, this is going to be a bumpy ride…
OTO, OTO, OTO
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albusteve Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:33:23pm |
re: #163 Honorary Yooper
What’s the necessary number for approval in the Senate? 50% or 60%? If it’s 60%, then we still have a fighting chance.
they need 60 votes….they need RINOs…at least two
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:33:35pm |
Obama said this during the campaign:
[W]hat I’ve proposed, you’ll hear Sen. McCain say, well, he’s proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I’m cutting more than I’m spending so that it will be a net spending cut.
LOL. OK. Sure.
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redheadredstate Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:33:54pm |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Only if her broom is in for service!
ROFLMAO!
Man, warn me next time! I’ve got coca-cola all over the work keyboard.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:35:00pm |
re: #167 DeafDog
If the economy does not recover, we will get to have an even bigger stimulous package this fall.
No so. Most of the spending and “stimuli” in THIS package doesn’t even kick in till next year and the year after. (IIRC,, only about 3% of the total bill is earmarked for this year)
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Lincolntf Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:35:27pm |
What a fucking travesty. How much precious time was spent on open, public discussion about the flipping steroids-in-baseball issue? They can’t take time to even READ this massive re-structuring of our economy, never mind actually discussing/debating it publicly.
Jackals.
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sandspur Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:35:43pm |
re: #44 jetprop
This bill really blows.
At least there was no GOP support.
Dims own this POS.
It blows AND sucks!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:35:48pm |
re: #173 redheadredstate
ROFLMAO!
Man, warn me next time! I’ve got coca-cola all over the work keyboard.
That’ll teach ya to be drinking while posting!
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:35:59pm |
re: #153 Silvergirl
He pledged that his Administration would go through the federal budget “page by page, line by line, eliminating those programs we don’t need and insisting that those that we do need operate in a sensible, cost-effective way.”
Thanks for providing a memorable quote (lie) from Obama!
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lookingup Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:36:36pm |
The country should be ashamed of what we have done here. The unread portions of this bill will come home to haunt us though out Obama’s reign.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:02pm |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
Just to clarify, folks: this bill represents almost $3000 for every single man, woman and child in the United States.
GREAT ,,,where do I get MY 3K from !?!?!?!
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:27pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:28pm |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
Just to clarify, folks: this bill represents almost $3000
forfrom every single man, woman and child in the United States.
FTFY.
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Irenike Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:30pm |
This is off-topic, but I heard that Senator Dianne F-cking Feinstein admitted that Pakistan lets the United States launch aerial predator drones from Paki territory. Not only does this embarrass the Pakistan government (a shaky ally, but an ally nonetheless), but those drones were very effective in gathering intelligence on Al Qaeda.
If all this is true, why is she not called a traitor? She has just handed a huge advantage to our enemies.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:34pm |
re: #127 jcm
I used to work in the state legislature for a member and that’s my take as well. Members simply don’t read what’s in the legislation and staffers are usually tasked with figuring out various things, whether it’s assuring that member items are in or to get key points.
Staffers keep DC operating, and they’re the ones who are tasked with putting together these bills. Members of Congress don’t know or have the time to do so (or so they say). What’s more important - opening debate and giving members time to figure out what’s going on, or jetting off to Rome?
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:52pm |
re: #182 sattv4u2
GREAT ,,,where do I get MY 3K from !?!?!?!
Uh, no. You might want to get your checkbook out though.
;-)
(Yeah, I know you were kidding.)
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kawfytawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:37:57pm |
re: #175 sattv4u2
(IIRC,, only about 3% of the total bill is earmarked for this year)
Kind of takes the steam out of the old Emergency, Critical, we are all gonna die if we don’t pass this, BS doesn’t it?
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:00pm |
re: #182 sattv4u2
GREAT ,,,where do I get MY 3K from !?!?!?!
From all of us… problem is you have to give it right back, just like the rest of us.
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Silvergirl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:06pm |
Look at the bright side. We’re in the money! We can spend like drunken sailors! Anything goes!
The world has gone mad today
And good’s bad today,
And black’s white today,
And day’s night today …
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:10pm |
re: #166 Killgore Trout
I also find the complaints about “not enough time to read a large bill” complaints to be disingenuous as well. Remember this scene from Fahrenheit 911….
If The Patriot Act is so bad, why, instead of this stimulus, are the democrats doing nothing about it? They should do something, now. Time is of the essence!
I think Michale Moore is a fraud and a liar his movies are filled with manipulations.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:23pm |
I picked this up from the spinoffs early this morning. Apologies that I don’t recall who to give the hat tip to.
Arlen Specter losing support of Republican peers
With the $789 billion economic stimulus package he helped broker set for a vote in the U.S. House and Senate, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., phoned home Thursday to unhappy members of the Pennsylvania State Republican Committee.
The conference call was initiated by Specter, his office said. It was a “conversation” to explain his thinking for backing the spending plan that Democrats hope will deliver jobs for the tanking U.S. economy.
But a growing chorus of Pennsylvania state Republican officials say their faith in Specter is irretrievably broken.And some are vowing to defeat Specter in the Republican primary in 2010.
“It’s clear we need a conservative senator who can do the right thing for America,” said Glen Meakem, a conservative talk show host in Pennsylvania.
“It’s over for Arlen. He would do best to retire gracefully,” he said, adding that party leaders across the state have intensified talks about a primary challenge against Specter.
The old GOP adage that it is better to have Specter in the Senate than a Democrat apparently no longer holds true.
Some Pennsylvania Republican officials are so eager to drum up a legitimate opponent to run against Specter, they’ve started a wish list that includes two prominent Republicans who’ve said they’re exploring a run — for governor.
Jim Roddy, chairman of the Allegheny County Republican Committee, suggested two names: Pat Toomey and U.S. Rep. Jim Gerlach, R-Chester Springs.
Toomey, a conservative former Congressman from the Lehigh Valley, narrowly lost to Specter in the 2004 primary. But Toomey has said he is not running for the Senate.
Representatives for Gerlach said they have no indication that he is considering anything other than a potential run for governor.
After heavy losses on Election Day, the backlash against Specter demonstrates that the GOP is banking on a comeback by re-asserting its low tax/small government roots. And Republicans seem willing to consider sacrificing a powerful and senior senator in Specter.
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Irenike Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:41pm |
re: #181 lookingup
Long past Obama’s regime, my friend. Unfortunately.
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RightMinded Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:38:51pm |
re: #165 taxfreekiller
This excuse stuff about not reading the bill or being given a chance to read the bill is,,,,, prepping the jury pool, they know they are going to get indicted for just cause in the crime, they use this shit to spin the jury pool in advance,,, (voters).
Exacty! If they want to read it before voting on it, then they should vote NO so it doesn’t pass!
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DeafDog Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:39:04pm |
re: #175 sattv4u2
If the economy does not recover, we will get to have an even bigger stimulous package this fall.
No so. Most of the spending and “stimuli” in THIS package doesn’t even kick in till next year and the year after. (IIRC,, only about 3% of the total bill is earmarked for this year)
I guess I’m hearing different statistics because no one knows what’s really there. The transfer payments for extension of unemployment benefits and the new unemployment ‘free-healthcare’ benefit starts immediately….at least that’s my understanding.
If when those extended benefits expire and we are still sputtering economically, they will be extended again - with great fanfare.
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faraway Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:39:39pm |
re: #171 FrogMarch
Obama said this during the campaign:
[W]hat I’ve proposed, you’ll hear Sen. McCain say, well, he’s proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I’m cutting more than I’m spending so that it will be a net spending cut.
LOL. OK. Sure.
3rd Debate
OBAMA: Absolutely. So let me get to that. What I want to emphasize, though, is that I have been a strong proponent of pay-as- you-go. Every dollar that I’ve proposed, I’ve proposed an additional cut so that it matches.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:39:46pm |
re: #189 kawfytawk
Kind of takes the steam out of the old Emergency, Critical, we are all gonna die if we don’t pass this, BS doesn’t it?
I sent this question to my Rep.
In that only about 3% of the bill is going to stimulate the economy this year, if the economy rebounds on it’s own by Q4, can we cancel the rest of the package?
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ugetwhatuputout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:39:46pm |
I think we need a quicklist of the House Democrats who took the unpopular stand of their party to do the right thing for America. Ideologies may differ, but they have taken a stand where it matters.
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:40:07pm |
re: #185 Irenike
This is off-topic, but I heard that Senator Dianne F-cking Feinstein admitted that Pakistan lets the United States launch aerial predator drones from Paki territory. Not only does this embarrass the Pakistan government (a shaky ally, but an ally nonetheless), but those drones were very effective in gathering intelligence on Al Qaeda.
If all this is true, why is she not called a traitor? She has just handed a huge advantage to our enemies.
I consider her a traitor. And these are unmanned predators. Imagine if there were actual soldiers or marines there (in a quiet agreement with Pakistan), and her big mouth led to their deaths. It’s an abomination.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:40:47pm |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
Just to clarify, folks: this bill represents almost $3000 for every single man, woman and child in the United States.
Does that include everyone Obama threw under the bus?//
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:40:48pm |
re: #193 FrogMarch
I think Michale Moore is a fraud and a liar his movies are filled with manipulations.
Of course he is, there’s no doubt about it. My point is that we should be better. We should use his tactics or use his lame and untrue talking points when they serve our purpose.
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Lincolntf Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:41:42pm |
re: #202 ugetwhatuputout
Heath Shuler (D-NC) voted against it in the first iteration. I’m hoping he did again. ..Crossing my fingers as I go check the votes…
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:00pm |
re: #203 subsailor68
IMHO - Ever since Hanoi Jane got her pass in the 60’s there is no such thing as traitorous behavior for liberals. I agree she should be treated to a the just rewards that all traitors should receive.
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LGoPs Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:01pm |
re: #69 lawhawk
How is the fact that folks got angry against GOPers for the last two election cycles and allowed the Democrats to control all three branches of government, putting in place the most inept, self-centered, and fiscally irresponsible bunch of politicians in recent history. Yeah, that really worked out great!
The GOP deserved to lose seats because of their own fiscal irresponsibility and criminality and ethics issues, but the Democrats have made all three central to their administration including all the the tax cheats in Congress and cabinet appointees to the ethics woes of folks like Rangel and Murtha.
Folks got angry because of the unrelenting, constant drumbeat of negative news focusing, to a large degree, on Republicans supposed hypocrisy because they are generally known as the ‘Values’ party.
Fine.
The Democrats can just as accurately be described as the ‘Taxes’ Party. Why is it that with the almost comical procession of high profile Democrats failing to pay their taxes that a similar drumbeat is not raised against them?
I know that’s a rhetorical question and that the answer is self-evident - unadulterated, blatant, un-American bias from the MFM.
This bias needs to be pointed out at every opportunity by each and every Republican, every time a microphone is stuck in their face. I think a large part of the half asleep public out there would wake up to that kind of blatant bullshit. Not all, but enough to give us a fighting chance next time around.
Oh, and I almost forgot. Add radical, extremist to every comment describing democratic policy. Make it impossible for the media to edit it all out.
I never particularly liked the idea of talking points but this is the time for it. Speak with one voice to overcome the dilution and editing that the media will inevitably put on every republican statement.
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Picayune Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:02pm |
re: #46 redheadredstate
Yea, Acorn, and the WH now (Rahmbama) running the 2010 Census,—- there’s your lock. Gird your loins, and all else.
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DeafDog Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:15pm |
re: #194 wahabicorridor
I picked this up from the spinoffs early this morning. Apologies that I don’t recall who to give the hat tip to.
Good!
We have to rely on Arlene Specter A. Sphinter to be the lead dog if a SCOTUS nomination comes up and he’s proven untrustworthy. Get him out.
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Gella Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:53pm |
Will the stimulus actually stimulate? Economists say no
mcclatchydc.com
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kawfytawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:55pm |
re: #201 sattv4u2
I sent this question to my Rep.
In that only about 3% of the bill is going to stimulate the economy this year, if the economy rebounds on it’s own by Q4, can we cancel the rest of the package?
The absolute greed of congress would never let that happen.
My Rep…Chet Edwards won’t even answer my questions….the slime ball. It will be my mission to see him lose the next election
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unreconstructed rebel Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:42:59pm |
Oh, Joy.
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Pullus Iulius Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:43:04pm |
And of course, this reminds me of the old Five Stages of Project Management:
1: Initial enthusiasm
2: Disillusionment
3: Search for the guilty
4: Punishment of the innocent
5: Reward for the undeserving
Things are moving fast. We’re zipping through the last two stages simultaneously.
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snopercod Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:43:23pm |
re: #202 ugetwhatuputout
I think we need a quicklist of the House Democrats who took the unpopular stand of their party to do the right thing for America. Ideologies may differ, but they have taken a stand where it matters.
My Rep. - Heath Shuler [D=NC11] voted nay (again). I called his office and thanked him last time.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:43:45pm |
OT. Good News. Got a job interview scheduled for the middle of next week. Wish me luck!
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OldLineTexan Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:43:55pm |
re: #205 Killgore Trout
Of course he is, there’s no doubt about it. My point is that we should be better. We should use his tactics or use his lame and untrue talking points when they serve our purpose.
?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:43:57pm |
re: #186 buzzsawmonkey
“It’s a hard reign that’s gonna fall.”
—Bob Dylan
heh…an idiot wind made it happen
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Lincolntf Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:43:58pm |
Yup. Shuler voted Nay. I’ll remember that when/if he seeks a Senate seat. Still don’t trust him though.
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bulwrk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:44:02pm |
The housing meltdown was caused by people taking the word of slick brokers and not taking their time to read and understand their mortgages,which is basically the same thing were doing now.Someones theory of insanity comes to mind.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:44:10pm |
re: #207 Lincolntf
He did. The seven Democrats who didn’t vote for this crapwich:
Bright, DeFazio, Griffith, Minnick, Peterson, Schuler, Taylor.
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DeafDog Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:44:26pm |
re: #207 Lincolntf
Heath Shuler (D-NC) voted against it in the first iteration. I’m hoping he did again. ..Crossing my fingers as I go check the votes…
It doesn’t matter. As long as his presence in the HOR supports Botox Nancy as Speaker, he’s gotta go.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:44:36pm |
re: #205 Killgore Trout
Of course he is, there’s no doubt about it. My point is that we should be better. We should use his tactics or use his lame and untrue talking points when they serve our purpose.
I disagree. I don’t think we are using his tactics. But I do agree that the party out of power can cry fowl more easily.
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Silhouette Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:44:37pm |
re: #207 Lincolntf
Heath Shuler (D-NC) voted against it in the first iteration. I’m hoping he did again. ..Crossing my fingers as I go check the votes…
He’s a very “republican” democrat in some ways.
BTW, belated Happy Birthday.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:44:56pm |
BBL Lizards. Gotta go nap. Working the overnight shift so if anyone is here at midnight Eastern, I’ll either celebrate or lament with you re: the Senate vote!
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:45:00pm |
re: #182 sattv4u2
GREAT ,,,where do I get MY 3K from !?!?!?!
Unlike the government, you must EARN it.
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:45:08pm |
re: #209 Viking6
IMHO - Ever since Hanoi Jane got her pass in the 60’s there is no such thing as traitorous behavior for liberals. I agree she should be treated to a the just rewards that all traitors should receive.
OMG, I hadn’t thought about that harridan in years. Quick story:
Back in the mid-70’s she spoke at an event a friend of mine attended. One of her points was (what’s new?) that evil corporations needed to be controlled and taxed heavily.
My friend raised his hand and asked: “What will you do when they all move overseas.”
She said (paraphrasing here), “We won’t let them.”
My friend left.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:45:18pm |
re: #219 midwestgak
OT. Good News. Got a job interview scheduled for the middle of next week. Wish me luck!
You Go Gak
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snopercod Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:45:38pm |
re: #222 Lincolntf
Still don’t trust him though.
Me either. But he did the right thing this time, and I thank him for it.
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kawfytawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:45:52pm |
I am so angry I wanna remove every obama bumper sticker I see with an axe!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:21pm |
re: #225 lawhawk
He did. The seven Democrats who didn’t vote for this crapwich:
Bright, DeFazio, Griffith, Minnick, Peterson, Schuler, Taylor.
Do you have states/ districts they rep?
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:21pm |
re: #219 midwestgak
OT. Good News. Got a job interview scheduled for the middle of next week. Wish me luck!
Good. Didn’t think you’d be out too long with your chosen profession. Medical equipment is always needed.
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jcm Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:33pm |
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
PETITION TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
The 111th Congress & President Barack Hussein ObamaWe the undersigned the People of the United States as the sole sovereign authority in these United State hereby petition the Government of the United States for redress of grievance.
Whereas: H.R - 1 was passed without full knowledge of said bill by the members of Government.
Whereas: H.R. - 1 places undue and greivious burdens on the People.
Whereas: H.R. - 1 s an unconsitutional transfer of property.
Whereas: H.R. - 1 is an unconstitutional limitation on liberty.
Whereas: H.R. - 1 is an unconstitutional infrigement on life.
We The People demand an immediate and complete repeal of H.R. - 1.
SIGNED
JCM
I’m going to clean this up a bit, any legal Lizards can chime in. Send it off to Rush, Hannity, et. al. as well as folks like Heritage and Cato.
Damn if I’ll sit still and get me, my kids and grandkids screwed.
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unreconstructed rebel Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:47pm |
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Catttt Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:47pm |
From Rep. Roscoe Bartlett’s Web site (he’s not my rep, but I wish he was):
“The Congressional Budget Office [CBO] told us a couple of hours ago that this is a job killing, not a job making bill,” said Congressman Roscoe Bartlett explaining why he voted against the so-called stimulus bill today. The final vote tally was 246-183. There were 228 Democratic yeas. Congressman Bartlett was among all 176 Republicans who voted no joined by 7 Democratic members. Congressman Bartlett concluded, “I hope this will work, but it would be the first time in history that a government could borrow and spend an economy out of a recession. The word will get out that this ‘stimulus’ is just a diverting headline for a big government grow bill. This fulfills the wish of liberals to expand government spending and control over Americans’ lives and their hard-earned money.”
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:50pm |
re: #235 kawfytawk
I am so angry I wanna remove every obama bumper sticker I see with an axe!
I saw one on a co-eds ass at Emory College!
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Lincolntf Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:46:57pm |
re: #229 Silhouette
Thanks. Unfortunately, today might be remembered more for the end of Capitalism than the birth of little old me. Ugh…
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LGoPs Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:47:00pm |
re: #219 midwestgak
OT. Good News. Got a job interview scheduled for the middle of next week. Wish me luck!
Good luck and prayers for you……
:)
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:47:02pm |
re: #232 subsailor68
Sounds about right, err left. I really don’t normally pray for harm but she is one that deserves anything and everything nasty that can happen to a human.
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djs713 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:47:44pm |
Democrat no votes:
Bright (AL) Griffith (AL) Peterson (MN) Shuler (NC) DeFazio (OR) Minnick (ID) Taylor (MS)
Present: Lipinski
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:48:35pm |
re: #186 buzzsawmonkey“It’s a hard reign that’s gonna fall.”
—Bob Dylan
heh…an idiot wind made it happen
“you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”.
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DeafDog Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:48:36pm |
re: #247 djs713
Democrat no votes:
Bright (AL) Griffith (AL) Peterson (MN) Shuler (NC) DeFazio (OR) Minnick (ID) Taylor (MS)
Present: Lipinski
They all still made the mistake of voting Botox Nancy in. They all must go.
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Viking6 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:48:37pm |
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kawfytawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:48:52pm |
re: #242 sattv4u2
ok, well it was a figure of speech….but I am still spittin mad
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:48:53pm |
After this week, I’ll watch Battlestar Galactica to cheer up again.
Fraking Cylon skin jobs running our government.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:48:58pm |
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jorline Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:49:01pm |
Fox is announcing the President will detail the plan on Wednesday.
Will Nancy be able to get back from Europe?
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unreconstructed rebel Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:49:57pm |
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jorline Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:50:15pm |
re: #219 midwestgak
OT. Good News. Got a job interview scheduled for the middle of next week. Wish me luck!
Go get’em gak.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:50:28pm |
re: #238 Honorary Yooper
Good. Didn’t think you’d be out too long with your chosen profession. Medical equipment is always needed.
Thanks! Medical insurance, actually and some ancillary products like dental, life, STD/LTD, vision.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:51:43pm |
re: #243 Lincolntf
Thanks. Unfortunately, today might be remembered more for the end of Capitalism than the birth of little old me. Ugh…
Happy B-day, btw.
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lookingup Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:51:49pm |
re: #185 Irenike
This is off-topic, but I heard that Senator Dianne F-cking Feinstein admitted that Pakistan lets the United States launch aerial predator drones from Paki territory. Not only does this embarrass the Pakistan government (a shaky ally, but an ally nonetheless), but those drones were very effective in gathering intelligence on Al Qaeda.
If all this is true, why is she not called a traitor? She has just handed a huge advantage to our enemies.
Feinstein can be removed from any committees that are classified. But the senate won’t harm one of their own.
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unreconstructed rebel Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:51:50pm |
re: #34 Shug
The only saving grace is that people who voted for the Democrats are also the ones in the lowest most vulnerable economic brackets, and when the shit hits the fan they will be the ones in the bread lines.
good freaking riddance.
If only that were true for all the university towns.
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jorline Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:52:12pm |
re: #259 Catttt
Here is my sneaky weasel of a nepotistic rep, and he can bite me.
Is that a closet he’s coming out of Catttt?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:52:19pm |
re: #220 OldLineTexan
My point is that we shouldn’t complain when these big important bills get passed without people reading them. They don’t read them. The Republicans don’t. The Dems don’t. I think the selective outrage when the other side does it is disingenuous.
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HippieforLife Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:53:08pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
At least grandstanding is a stand. They are all politicians and they have their little power plays but power does corrupt.
In my state the gov is saying that the $2 bil slated for Washington state will go to reducing our $6 billion deficit. Boy are we lucky.
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Catttt Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:53:13pm |
re: #264 jorline
Is that a closet he’s coming out of Catttt?
Ha. Closet with a bunch of other sneaky weasels.
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unreconstructed rebel Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:53:48pm |
re: #65 acwgusa
Fuck this. I’m going to quit my job, renounce my citizenship, and work under the table. I’ll get taxed less.
/only partly sarc….
Works for me.
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iceman1960 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:54:00pm |
Obama administration = Shovel ready project.
Sh*t’s getting deep.
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kafir lover Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:54:01pm |
We have just witnessed the biggest scam, the greatest trojan horse the most audacious hustle ever pulled on the American public. The scale of this type of political jockeying with it’s pay-offs to all of the groups who have helped to entrench the democrats into power is absolutely unprecedented - and it is to the ultimate detriment of our societal, cultural and fiscal security. This is the first of a massive opportunistic land grab for the soul of this country and it will by no means be the last.
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Irenike Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:54:05pm |
re: #203 subsailor68
I consider her a traitor. And these are unmanned predators. Imagine if there were actual soldiers or marines there (in a quiet agreement with Pakistan), and her big mouth led to their deaths. It’s an abomination.
I predict that her big mouth is still going to cost innocent lives. Maybe not American lives in the short-run, but there will be costs, nonethless.
It’s just too bad that there is no direct way for her to bear the cost of her indiscretion. What a f-ing traitorous bitch. I’ve always disliked her.
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kawfytawk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:55:04pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
Yet this is the largest spending bill EVER….so wouldn’t it behoove EVERYONE to read the damn thing?
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LGoPs Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:55:15pm |
re: #185 Irenike
This is off-topic, but I heard that Senator Dianne F-cking Feinstein admitted that Pakistan lets the United States launch aerial predator drones from Paki territory. Not only does this embarrass the Pakistan government (a shaky ally, but an ally nonetheless), but those drones were very effective in gathering intelligence on Al Qaeda.
If all this is true, why is she not called a traitor? She has just handed a huge advantage to our enemies.
Because Democrats always put party before country. To them the Party is the country.
And the Republicans are ball-less.
Durbin can call our troops Nazis and Khmer Rouge and now Feinstein does this………
This ain’t the same country I grew up in……
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:55:40pm |
re: #254 jorline
Fox is announcing the President will detail the plan on Wednesday.
Will Nancy be able to get back from Europe?
Hi {jorline}. I suspect Wednesday’s plan detail will:
1) Be delayed or;
2) Be more of the same hocus pocus babble.
(Please see my #219)
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unreconstructed rebel Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:55:48pm |
re: #120 taxfreekiller
Keep in mind, we had Spector on the ropes in Nov. 2004 and he was rescued by Pres. Bush.
I remember that. The ungrateful bastard.
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bulwrk Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:56:42pm |
re: #203 subsailor68
I consider her a traitor. And these are unmanned predators. Imagine if there were actual soldiers or marines there (in a quiet agreement with Pakistan), and her big mouth led to their deaths. It’s an abomination.
If Pakistan no longer allows those drones to operate within its borders it could very well cost American lives.
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midwestgak Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:58:17pm |
re: #269 iceman1960
Obama administration = Shovel ready project.
Sh*t’s getting deep.
Old joke, “With all this manure there has to be a pony somewhere.”/
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avanti Fri, Feb 13, 2009 12:58:29pm |
re: #34 Shug
The only saving grace is that people who voted for the Democrats are also the ones in the lowest most vulnerable economic brackets, and when the shit hits the fan they will be the ones in the bread lines.
good freaking riddance.
Made me look it up and the vote did get closer above 200K/year, but Obama still won every income level.
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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:00:01pm |
re: #277 bulwrk
If Pakistan no longer allows those drones to operate within its borders it could very well cost American lives.
That is absolutely, 100% true!
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Nightlight Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:00:13pm |
CHANGE!
The CIA does not publicly acknowledge a campaign against Pakistan-based extremists using remotely piloted planes, making Feinstein’s comment all the more unusual.
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:00:36pm |
re: #270 kafir lover
All very true….but all of this reinforces that all elections have repercussions. 54% of the American people decided that the left needed to be in power, and the left decided that this gave them an unlimited mandate (interesting how when Bush got about 54% of the vote - that it was a narrow victory without a mandate….) to invoke their ideals and spending towards pet projects designed not to create or maintain jobs, but to maintain their power.
Even more scary - despite the hammering this is going to do to the economy and the country as a whole, 30% of their base will continue to support them….blaming the failure on either the ‘betrayal’ by the Republicans to not be bipartisan or the fact that they didn’t go far enough.
For those who don’t remember the Carter years……you will be living them very shortly.
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McJenny50 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:01:29pm |
I spent the better part of the past few days emailing all the Dem senators and the 3 traitors mentioning that I had already spent more time trying to decide on which new stove and refrigerator to purchase that they had on researching this bill. Also mentioned that it seemed to me that they wanted to hurry up and vote for it before the public had time to find out just what was in it because if they waited, everyone would know what a turkey it is. Asked why it never got posted online.
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Toosmoky Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:01:29pm |
The Parallels between the Obama Administration and the Rudd Administration in Australia are astounding. theaustralian.news.com.au
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:01:32pm |
Better than a taxpayers’ revolt is reading this turkey, once it’s been signed and applying for each and every little thing we cal each even faintly be said to qualify for.
I wrote above sort of tongue-in-cheek that we could qualify for assistance in weatherproofing our condo.
What if we all did this?
What if each of us made darn sure that we got our personal money’s worth back from this bill?
We read with better comprehension skills than 0’s constituents do.
We could do this.
We could break this bill in our direction.
At least on paper we could flood the system with applications.
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Catttt Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:02:37pm |
Congress and the current administration are the one ton anvil, and we are the squashed toon.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:03:40pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
My point is that we shouldn’t complain when these big important bills get passed without people reading them. They don’t read them. The Republicans don’t. The Dems don’t. I think the selective outrage when the other side does it is disingenuous.
So, the Republicans spent like drunken sailors - and they got booted from power.
So now the Democrats are spending money like….
Not only spending, in fact, but substantial pork-barrel spending; the vast sums directed to pet causes of powerful Democrats and liberal interest groups having nothing to do with stimulating the economy have laid bare the fraudulence of Obama’s claim to be against government by earmark and favor. Big Government is back, baby, and it’s so hungry.
and we can’t say “oh shit!”?
I realize your point is more about reading the bills - but this bill is thicker and costlier than anything ever - I think that merits some criticism.
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Bloodnok Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:11:36pm |
re: #33 buzzsawmonkey You always say “With apologies to (composer)”. But in this case I think Gilbert & Sullivan should be apologizing to you. A masterpiece.
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:12:59pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
My point is that we shouldn’t complain when these big important bills get passed without people reading them. They don’t read them. The Republicans don’t. The Dems don’t. I think the selective outrage when the other side does it is disingenuous.
This is almost a strawman…..and I agree, there are probably those on both sides of the aisle who are so wrapped up into ideology that they do not spend time reading the bills - or even reading the summaries of the bills their staff’s who do read the things provide. And yes, there are members of both parties who can be held in almost equal levels of contempt by many who hope that the elected officials approach our hopes of being fair, smart, rational, and reasoned.
But can you provide me with some hard examples of Republicans demonstrating as a group an equal level of hubris and arrogance as the Democratic leadership with regards to this bill? They are acting as if 80% of the country supported them while at best it was about 54%.
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:15:29pm |
re: #291 Athos
The “Dream Act”? I believe that’s what that immigration reform act was named. YOU know the one our buddy McCain and his minime Graham tried to ram down our throats.
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deacon Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:16:37pm |
re: #7 Honorary Yooper
Dan Lipinski’s such a chickenshit. He voted present.
I wonder what the reason for the 3 people not voting was?
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HippieforLife Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:18:15pm |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
My grandsons are 6 and 2 yrs old and I don’t think they need they money.
I will be happy to keep it safe for them. //
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Idle Drifter Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:19:18pm |
re: #216 Pullus Iulius
And of course, this reminds me of the old Five Stages of Project Management:
1: Initial enthusiasm
2: Disillusionment
3: Search for the guilty
4: Punishment of the innocent
5: Reward for the undeserving
Things are moving fast. We’re zipping through the last two stages simultaneously.
Tell me about it. All this talk of investing in Green technology through the Stimulus Package along with whispers of punishing oil companies maybe one of the many reasons I lost my job yesterday along with 35 people with an oil field service company. This time last year we were actually talking about expanding but various forces beyond my control are starting to begin the oil bust this year. We had already laid off 45 people, the company is just culling the work force to survive all the idiots in power in halls of government from Denver to Washington DC. Yes, oil prices fell but the damage to the oilfield in terms of manpower and jobs is not being helped by those in government wishing to control the economy.
The greatest lesson not being learned is that oil companies did very well during the President Bushes terms with billions of dollars in profits because the government had cut taxes! The price of oil helped yet we had yet also let oil companies tap more US soil, shores and deep water for more of the black gold. The amount of jobs created and wealth would have kept the oil boom going for another 10 to 20 years. Also tax cuts would allow more money towards R&D, exploration, better metallurgy, drilling tools, direction drilling, shipwrights (ships, sea drilling rigs and barges), metal shops, tool and dye shops, transportation, housing, explosives (we use shape charges to fracture rock formations), chemicals, cement, and, I don’t know, grow the damn economy both within and without the oilfield!
I’m sorry for going on such a long rant. I’m good for a little over month financially to find a new job thanks to my separation package and final checks, I just wish I could find new job under more ideal circumstances. This oil bust is being felt throughout the oilfield in this region of the United States with Nabors closing down all of its drilling rigs in Colorado last I heard. So expect fuel prices to start to go up faster. I think I’m going to invest what money I can in indium commodities since the price is sure to sky rocket due to LCDs and Solar Panel demands.
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Gray Skies Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:20:40pm |
re: #41 Kosh’s Shadow
Pelosi et. al. are lower than the predatory lenders they have criticized for pushing home buyers to sign off on loan documents they did not either have time to review or question.
Hypocrites!
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:21:08pm |
Bush the elder got booted because he said “read my lips no new taxes…”
So Obama says this:
What I’ve proposed, you’ll hear Sen. McCain say, well, he’s proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I’m cutting more than I’m spending so that it will be a net spending cut.
No problem!
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:21:14pm |
re: #292 jcw46
Interesting….Shamesty…..hmmm.
No, I think that while that bill was as fundamentally flawed in rationale and approach as Porkulus, I do not think that it was effectively slammed through, or attempted to be slammed through Congress like Porkulus was. I don’t recall McCain and his remora Graham telling us that ‘elections have consequences’ or promising 48 hours to review the bill before final vote then allowing less than 12.
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Shug Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:23:13pm |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
Just to clarify, folks: this bill represents almost $3000 for every single man, woman and child in the United States.
married people get nothing
and single people earning over 100K
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:24:06pm |
re: #291 Athos
But can you provide me with some hard examples of Republicans demonstrating as a group an equal level of hubris and arrogance as the Democratic leadership with regards to this bill? They are acting as if 80% of the country supported them while at best it was about 54%.
I’d be interested in those example myself. examples that don’t include anything from Michael Moore.
and I’m still wondering why the Democrats haven’t repealed the Patriot Act. I thought the Patriot Act was going to be the downfall of our civil liberties?
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:27:12pm |
re: #298 Athos
Ok, agreed but they WERE going to try to push it through regardless of public opinion. (remember it on C-Span? they showed the conference of the senators when they were trying to reconcile the House and Senate bills?) They BACKED OFF when the emails and phones started burning up and even THEN they said they would try again and McCain had some really 17th century aristocratic moments concerning the public’s opinion. No they TRIED to do it but even with the media on their side they backed off in the face of the size of the opposition. I know that’s when I started equating McCain with Spector as to the degree of Rinoishness (that’s a word right?).
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michaelhop Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:29:11pm |
If I ever am in the same room as Nancy Pelosi, I am going to throw my shoe at her……..what a c@nt.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:30:15pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
My point is that we shouldn’t complain when these big important bills get passed without people reading them. They don’t read them. The Republicans don’t. The Dems don’t. I think the selective outrage when the other side does it is disingenuous.
My point was that you missed a “not”, IF I understand your point as above.
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Ron Shaw Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:30:36pm |
No Republican voted for it!
If you are wondering why Republican Representatives show solidarity against the stiffulUS bill and Republican Senators do not, it’s a no brainer. Term length is the major factor. Reps know we just might remember who voted against the America most of us know and love after 2 years or less…Senators are in far deeper financially with lobbyists and special interest groups not to mention a much longer period to duck and hide for the voters to forget who the hell sold us out to Socialism!
Any Republican who votes for this bill should be driven from office at the earliest convenience. I, for one, will remember their names…a swift tar and feathered rail ride from stiffulUS central would suffice until they can be voted against!
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sandspur Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:30:53pm |
re: #183 jcw46
Here’s some news of past courage and honor on a day filled with disturbing news of criminal acts.
Thank you for that
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:32:29pm |
re: #297 FrogMarch
Bush the elder got booted because he said “read my lips no new taxes…”
So Obama says this:
What I’ve proposed, you’ll hear Sen. McCain say, well, he’s proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I’m cutting more than I’m spending so that it will be a net spending cut.No problem!
Hmm, let’s see. $13 a week in a tax cut….no, wait, I earn more than $75K, so it’s less than that….about $8 a week versus Ahnold’s solution to CA’s problem - my sales tax will be 9.75%, my income tax increases 5%, my vehicle license fees double, ……. and now I’m in the hole about $50 a week. Yes, my personal spending is going to be down.
How about the feds……you’ve added $800 billion to the debt, according to the CBO, it’s real impact is closer to $2.7 trillion….not including the inflationary impact of adding that much to the money supply. That’s reducing the overall spending how? By not spending $3 trillion?
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HippieforLife Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:35:01pm |
re: #292 jcw46
At least with the immigration fiasco the people in the country were actually listened to so it failed. It does not seem that anyone on the Dem side is listening to anyone. This bill should have been gone over with a fine-tooth comb by both sides.
I would just like to have the truth. I may not like it, but at least I would know what is in store for me. I will admit that the truth is in very short supply in DC. Maybe we should have a real “Truth Commission”.
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sandspur Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:35:08pm |
re: #295 Idle Drifter
Tell me about it. All this talk of investing in Green technology through the Stimulus Package along with whispers of punishing oil companies maybe one of the many reasons I lost my job yesterday along with 35 people with an oil field service company. This time last year we were actually talking about expanding but various forces beyond my control are starting to begin the oil bust this year. We had already laid off 45 people, the company is just culling the work force to survive all the idiots in power in halls of government from Denver to Washington DC. Yes, oil prices fell but the damage to the oilfield in terms of manpower and jobs is not being helped by those in government wishing to control the economy.
The greatest lesson not being learned is that oil companies did very well during the President Bushes terms with billions of dollars in profits because the government had cut taxes! The price of oil helped yet we had yet also let oil companies tap more US soil, shores and deep water for more of the black gold. The amount of jobs created and wealth would have kept the oil boom going for another 10 to 20 years. Also tax cuts would allow more money towards R&D, exploration, better metallurgy, drilling tools, direction drilling, shipwrights (ships, sea drilling rigs and barges), metal shops, tool and dye shops, transportation, housing, explosives (we use shape charges to fracture rock formations), chemicals, cement, and, I don’t know, grow the damn economy both within and without the oilfield!
I’m sorry for going on such a long rant. I’m good for a little over month financially to find a new job thanks to my separation package and final checks, I just wish I could find new job under more ideal circumstances. This oil bust is being felt throughout the oilfield in this region of the United States with Nabors closing down all of its drilling rigs in Colorado last I heard. So expect fuel prices to start to go up faster. I think I’m going to invest what money I can in indium commodities since the price is sure to sky rocket due to LCDs and Solar Panel demands.
Bill O’Reilly mentioned last night that evil Exxon is cutting back on refining to drive up prices. Really.
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michaelhop Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:35:18pm |
Now this goes on to the “Worlds Greatest Debilitated Body”. Last chance to get Snowe, Collins and Specter back from the Dark Side.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:35:31pm |
IS THE STIMULUS BILL the Obama Administration’s Patriot Act? Yes, except that the Patriot Act passed with overwhelming support from both parties.
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LC HOGHEAD Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:35:51pm |
Hidden in the bill is MORE BAD NEWS. It not only extends unemploment benefits ANOTHER 20 weeks, but it changes (eases) eligibility requirements. Before, you had to lose your job through no fault of your own (Layoff), but now the are THIRTEEN WAYS you can QUIT your job and start getting Unemployment !
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kansas Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:37:24pm |
Porkulus Maximus not voluntary
SEC. 1607. (a) CERTIFICATION BY GOVERNOR — Not later than 45 days after the date of enactment of this Act, for funds provided to any State or agency thereof, the Governor of the State shall certify that: 1) the State request and use funds provided by this Act , and; 2) funds be used to create jobs and promote economic growth.
(b) ACCEPTANCE BY STATE LEGISLATURE — If funds provided to any State in any division of this Act are not accepted for use by the Governor, then acceptance by the State legislature, by means of the adoption of a concurrent resolution, shall be sufficient to provide funding to such State.
What if the Legislature refuses? ………..Perhaps the Army could be used to force the pork upon the states.
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:38:41pm |
re: #302 jcw46
I know that’s when I started equating McCain with Spector as to the degree of Rinoishness (that’s a word right?).
I just call it ‘stupidity’. More people can relate to that term.
Trying to advocate a bill contrary to public opinion does take a unique flavour of stupidity - but ultimately, they couldn’t just slam it through. I would venture to guess that in the last week, the calls against Porkulus was as far against as against shamnesty, but regardless, we had Dems saying ‘we won’ and slaming it through with only the support of 3 RINO’s….and breaking their own promise to let the final bill be reviewed for at least 48 hours.
Both bills were stupid. But, one passed through the callous actions of some while the people were able to impact the other. That is the difference to me.
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Dustyvet Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:39:15pm |
UNHCR Official’s Video Released on Dunya TV
UNHCR official John Solecki’s video message released on Dunya TV.
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rawmuse Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:41:35pm |
To all the young people of America, I am so sorry for you. You will be paying for this long after I am toes up. I sincerely apologize, I did what I could do to prevent it.
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Athos Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:42:13pm |
re: #309 sandspur
Bill O’Reilly mentioned last night that evil Exxon is cutting back on refining to drive up prices. Really.
Look, there are oil exec’s and company’s that seek to maximize their profits, but this is also the time of year where refineries begin to switch from their mandated winter blends to their summer blends.
Here’s a solution, if we actually permitted more refineries to be built to the point where we had 110-115% demand covered, we could do this and not impact supply. So, who are the ones stopping the development of refineries?
Yes, one can blame the oil companies for not moving more refineries offshore where labor and capital costs are less than in the US, even after calculating transportation costs, but how many new refineries have been built in CA in the last 30 years even though its population doubled?
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sandspur Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:45:25pm |
re: #317 Athos
Look, there are oil exec’s and company’s that seek to maximize their profits, but this is also the time of year where refineries begin to switch from their mandated winter blends to their summer blends.
Here’s a solution, if we actually permitted more refineries to be built to the point where we had 110-115% demand covered, we could do this and not impact supply. So, who are the ones stopping the development of refineries?
Yes, one can blame the oil companies for not moving more refineries offshore where labor and capital costs are less than in the US, even after calculating transportation costs, but how many new refineries have been built in CA in the last 30 years even though its population doubled?
Exactly.
IMHO, O’Reilly has always been off base with his constant harping on the evils of the oil companies.
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Maui Girl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:48:02pm |
let’s face it folks. Any history lessons that Obama and his administration and the Democratic congress ever received was from the liberal left-leaning history books so prevalent in our schools since the early 60’s. They are full of inaccuracies and political niceties (for the “world’s” benefit) made to make the US look like a narcissistic, hateful, greedy, just all around bullying nation.
Those who don’t pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it, especially when that history is full of bullsh*t.
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Dustyvet Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:48:15pm |
re: #319 ploome hineni
NObama and his posse are on AirForce ONe to spend the weekend in Chicago
He says that’s a “spiffy ride”…
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Rexatosis Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:49:02pm |
Slightly OT Opinion:
The problem with the Democrats isn’t that they are just as corrupt as the Republicans, it’s that the Democrats are also completely devoid of any connection to the basic tenets of reality (economic, foreign policy, human behavior, physics). While the GOP contains its nutty wing (the Earth is 6000 years old types) the nuts don’t have enough numbers to affect every policy decision. The Dems nutroots have effectively throw out or marginalized every liberal-moderate-conservative voice in their party that disagrees with the far left views of Pelosi-Reid cabal funded by George Soros. The current Democrat Party would have no place for the likes of Harry Truman, JFK, or even Tip O’Neill today. This bill is only the start of a long four years.
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debutaunt Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:52:07pm |
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jcw46 Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:53:02pm |
re: #314 Athos
I put it down to Democrats having no shame. Sheesh at least Nixon had the honor to quit when faced with the facts. Clinton? “it depends on what the meaning of is, is” = NO HONOR: HE LIED UNDER OATH.
Their Senior Senator was a high officer in the KKK.
Their most famous Senator is at best a drunkard and a murderer.
It seems that the primary qualification for a Democrat Cabinet post or Chairmanship in Congress is the amount of law-breaking, particularly relating to the subject of oversight by the post or chairmanship, one has accomplished and the degree of ignorance concerning the subject.
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unclassifiable Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:55:11pm |
My congresscritter voted against this.
Obviously has a strong self-preservation streak.
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Maui Girl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:57:48pm |
re: #24 taxfreekiller
Includes jobs for illegals.
E-verify was deleted.Your now in a liberal loon cult ruled country.
Not many people were aware of the missing “E-Verify” in the bill. Watch to see a huge influx of illegals once the government ordained construction starts.
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capitalist piglet Fri, Feb 13, 2009 1:59:51pm |
re: #312 LC HOGHEAD
Hidden in the bill is MORE BAD NEWS. It not only extends unemploment benefits ANOTHER 20 weeks, but it changes (eases) eligibility requirements. Before, you had to lose your job through no fault of your own (Layoff), but now the are THIRTEEN WAYS you can QUIT your job and start getting Unemployment !
My jaw is officially on the floor.
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debutaunt Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:03:32pm |
re: #239 jcm
Friday the 13th of February 2009, a day that will live in infamy.
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Maui Girl Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:04:34pm |
re: #175 sattv4u2
If the economy does not recover, we will get to have an even bigger stimulous package this fall.
No so. Most of the spending and “stimuli” in THIS package doesn’t even kick in till next year and the year after. (IIRC,, only about 3% of the total bill is earmarked for this year)
Then hopefully the country will elect a majority Republican congress that will repeal this entire bill before it can cause any major damage.
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Emery Calame Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:13:51pm |
Since the House of Representatives and the Senate will be forcing us to pay for this ridiculous 3 trillion dollar “stimlulus” mess with OUR money I strongly suggest we all resolve to take the earliest opportunity to make every congressman and senator who supported it help to pay for the bill WITH THEIR JOBS.
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vagabond trader Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:14:45pm |
Every traitorous pos from my state voted yes. A pox on them all.
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Mirage Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:14:47pm |
re: #91 midwestgak
Umm, I don’t like paying for it so I don’t want them to have it.
Additionally, welfare is a curse. I wish it on no one.
A case could be made for wishing it on the idiot politicians in D.C. :D
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snopercod Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:45:06pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
When I buy something online, I have to click a box that affirms that I have read the terms of the deal and agree to them. Why shouldn’t congress have to sign something similar?
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snopercod Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:48:22pm |
re: #318 sandspur
Exactly.
IMHO, O’Reilly has always been off base with his constant harping on the evils of the oil companies.
Which is exactly why I quit watching his show: He’s philosophically scatterbrained.
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Lynn B. Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:50:46pm |
re: #90 Mr. Owl
Anyone know where i can get a state by state breakdown?
In case someone else hasn’t already responded …
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bogart Fri, Feb 13, 2009 2:53:21pm |
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs stated that now that the stimulousy bill has passed President Obama is considering changing the Democratic symbol from a donkey to a condom as it represents limited production, encourages
co-operation and gives a feeling of security, even though you know that you’re being screwed.
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William Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:41:48pm |
Here’s a must-see report on the Financial Meltdown — how it started, where we are now, why we’re nowhere near the end:
THE HOUSE OF CARDS
CNBC presents the definitive report on the defining story of our time. CNBC correspondent David Faber investigates the origins of the global economic crisis, with first person accounts from home buyers, mortgage brokers, investment bankers and investors – most of whom let greed blind them, leading to the greatest financial collapse since the Great Depression.
Air Dates on CNBC:
Saturday, February 14th 7p %P% 10p ET
Sunday, February 15th 9p ET
Monday, February 16th 8p %P% 12a ET
Sunday, March 1st Midnight ET
Sunday, March 15th 9p ET
This is the best, most comprehensive piece on the Financial Crisis to date. It’s the piece 60 Minutes, et al, should have broadcast in the 2003-2004 timeframe.
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Teacake! Fri, Feb 13, 2009 3:44:14pm |
34 ShugThe only saving grace is that people who voted for the Democrats are also the ones in the lowest most vulnerable economic brackets, and when the shit hits the fan they will be the ones in the bread lines.
good freaking riddance.
Thanks Shug, I’m in that bracket and DID NOT vote for the creep and I know a lot of “haves” who are thrilled to have voted for him. And I am worried sick that being on the street as I grow older is a frightening possibility.
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Canoe Train Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:17:06pm |
re: #33 buzzsawmonkey
When you consider the laws which will affect our society and social conditions, the Modern Liberal Democrat will have been one of the most destructive and harmful, double speaking, types of politicians our nation has ever produced. Lenin and Trotsky, and Gus Hall, would be cheering in their tombs. It will be more Liberal Fascism, no matter how it is spun.
I also note that E-verify failed to pass. I still maintain that one is not racist just for wanting the damn laws already on the books enforced.
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Canoe Train Fri, Feb 13, 2009 4:18:49pm |
re: #320 Maui Girl
This should be repeated again and again, if only to counter the left’s own versions of the Big Lies.
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bungie Fri, Feb 13, 2009 5:28:53pm |
re: #192 Silvergirl
Thank you for posting that video- the lyrics and the video exquisitely captured the day!
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 13, 2009 6:54:59pm |
Late to the thread, but I’m actually very pleasantly surprised that my Congressman, Mr “Go along to get along” Jerry Lewis voted no.
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LC HOGHEAD Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:30:25am |
And so it begins. Thank you President Zero;
Feb 13, 6:13 PM (ET)
MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A restaurant worker was accused of trashing the place in an attempt to get fired and collect unemployment compensation. A criminal complaint filed Thursday said a 35-year-old man showed up at a Qdoba restaurant and started throwing brownies and cookies on the floor.
The man then went into the kitchen and threw pots and pans around, then went into a storage area and threw boxes of hot sauce on the floor.
Police said the man told them he was trying to get fired and collect unemployment .
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