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My post about the GOP’s disastrous decision to defend the “We want Obama to fail” meme brought some hate mail (which I expected) and some support too. First, the drooling haters:

aw, you poor baby. Do those mean national parties not agree with everything in your pretty, little head. well, you just roll around on the floor and have your hissy fit.

And to think i thought you were just a racist pig. it’s obvious - you have a massive crush on Governor Jindal. Can we expect to see you outside the Governor’s Mansion with Peter Gabriel playing on a boom box??? LMAO Grow up.

Chuck,

Why don’t you explain to your loyal sheep exactly how it is that the “vast middle” wants Obama to succeed? Um, succeed at radically altering the character of American society so that we more closely resemble, say, Sweden? Is that really want the “vast middle” wants and, therefore, is pulling for Obama.

C’mon Chuck! Even you’re bright enough to know that is bullshit. Aren’t you?

Then the supportive email:

Thank you for staying the course on non-blinkered, non-Kool-Aid-drinking conservatism. I’m of the same mind as you on numerous issues, particularly creationism. My wife and I belong to an organization called Republicans for Environmental Responsibility, and continually ask ourselves why there has to BE such an organization. It’s hard to be politically nuanced these days!

Best regards,
Jonathan

Hey…

Just wanted to say thanks for being a responsible and refreshing voice in the right-wing blogosphere. I’m a left-leaning independent and try to find voices that speak intelligently and rationally about our government and the issues around our country and world. The far left and far right blogs are reactionary, slavering and occasionally incoherent. You’ve done a great job finding rationality in an irrational time. Thanks for the great work.

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[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:17:14am

pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:17:23am

Nice to have balance.

Irene NYC Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:17:43am

Well, real lizards always knew our fearless leader was no fool and suffered no fools either.
;)

AmeriDan Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:17:46am

you have a massive crush on Governor Jindal. Can we expect to see you outside the Governor’s Mansion with Peter Gabriel playing on a boom box? LMAO Grow up.

Huh?

simonml Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:17:50am

What’s wrong with people?! At least Charles shows us a couple people who are rational enough.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:17:55am

What was the ratio of hate to supportive mail, Charles?

Ringo the Gringo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:18:09am

Buzzsawmonkey got it right with his comment yesterday:

I have found, in the course of lawyering, that the worst thing one can do when making an argument is to go from Point A to Point D without enunciating and clearly laying out Points B and C, even—perhaps especially—when the line from Point A to Point D is crystal clear.
You lose the argument by leaving out the connecting dots.

The Republicans are doing that because by saying that they “want Obama to fail,” they are saying that they do not want him to savage the Constitution, cripple defense, give the government an inappropriate hand in the economy, etc.

All of these are good points. But by saying them in short form, “We want him to fail,” instead of clearly enunciating what they want him to fail at and why, they are failing to make their argument and its basis clear. That is why the “jury” of the American public is not buying their argument.

Had the Republicans been properly educating the public for the last five, ten, fifteen, twenty years, their short-form argument might work. But they haven’t, and they are compounding that dereliction now by making the short-form argument to people whom they have not prepared to understand it.

Dustyvet Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:18:25am

Ernest Tubb and Loretta Lynn - Keep Those Cards and Letters Coming In

Youtube Video

simonml Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #6 Honorary Yooper

What was the ratio of hate to supportive mail, Charles?

I guess its heavily in favor of the crazies.

Isn’t it always?

Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:18:47am

Just wanted to say thanks for being a responsible and refreshing voice in the right-wing blogosphere. I’m a left-leaning independent and try to find voices that speak intelligently and rationally about our government and the issues around our country and world. The far left and far right blogs are reactionary, slavering and occasionally incoherent. You’ve done a great job finding rationality in an irrational time. Thanks for the great work.

And THIS is someone we could convince to vote our way and ensure ourselves some electoral victories if we’d just THINK instead of knee-jerk.

Tumulus11 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:18:55am

. LGF is the moral compass.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:19:24am

Looks like the first two, the drooling haters, might be a couple of commentors who had a nasty run-in with Stinky Beaumont’s stick.

Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:19:48am

Got to love party hacks. If Obama could pull off his talk and actually succeed, more power to him. Unfortunately, he isn’t up to the task and failure seems inevitable, but I’m not going to wish it on him just so I can say “HAHA!” as we’re stuck cleaning up his mess.

NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:19:50am

Surprise! You love Jindal!

That e-mailer needs to put down the bong.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:19:55am

re: #9 simonml

I guess its heavily in favor of the crazies.

Isn’t it always?

Maybe not. Sometimes, of all wonderful suprises, the supportive mail outweighs the hate mail.

Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:19:59am

Shit all I get in the mail is bills?

Ringo the Gringo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:20:56am

It’s a waste of time, and a bad political tactic, to wish for the President to fail, especially when he will anyhow.

The right thing to do is to provide a clearly articulated alternative.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:21:13am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

Shit all I get in the mail is bills?

If that’s all you get consider yourself lucky. I get all sorts of junk mail to go with them. Usually 19 parts junk to 1 part bills.

simonml Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #15 Honorary Yooper

Maybe not. Sometimes, of all wonderful suprises, the supportive mail outweighs the hate mail.

True, I just think people filled with hate turn off their rational thinking abilities and turn on the part of the brain that controls knee jerk email responses. haha

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:22:24am

Peter Gabriel? WTF?

/sledgehammer?

unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:22:42am

I’m not gonna read any of that crap. Heading back to the prior thread.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:23:12am

re: #19 simonml

True, I just think people filled with hate turn off their rational thinking abilities and turn on the part of the brain that controls knee jerk email responses. haha

True that. The hate mailers usually have some of the worst spelling and grammar offenses in their comments. They’re rarely fully thought out.

Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:23:28am

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

I’m not gonna read any of that crap. Heading back to the prior thread.

Why wouldn’t you read the good mail?

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:23:58am

Who was the (former) lizard that always used to call Charles “Chuck”? Was it Mike C., or was it Chuck Pelto?

Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:24:21am

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

Who was the (former) lizard that always used to call Charles “Chuck”? Was it Mike C., or was it Chuck Pelto?

Mr. Cheese?

NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #17 Ringo the Gringo

It’s a waste of time, and a bad political tactic, to wish for the President to fail, especially when he will anyhow.

The right thing to do is to provide a clearly articulated alternative.

I think the GOP are afraid they will save Obama from himself, and then get another four years of him. Not exactly a selfless motivation, but understandable.

MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

Who was the (former) lizard that always used to call Charles “Chuck”? Was it Mike C., or was it Chuck Pelto?

The latter.

NonNativeTexan Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:24:45am

Do your friends call you Chuck, Charles?

ilzito guacamolito Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:24:47am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

Shit all I get in the mail is bills?

And ads for ED.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:24:59am

Shakey Jakey Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:25:02am

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

I think it was Chuck P

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:25:02am

re: #27 MandyManners

The latter.

Oh yeah, you’re right.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:25:09am

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

I’m not gonna read any of that crap. Heading back to the prior thread.

I hate to say it, but that sounds like one of those who comment similarly on Charles’s creationist threads. Now, that said, I don’t care much for the tech threads, so instead of making an ansinie comment like the above, I simply refrain from commenting until the thread goes off-topic.

Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:25:31am

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Peter Gabriel? WTF?

/sledgehammer?

From the movie “Say Anything”

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:25:58am

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

Who was the (former) lizard that always used to call Charles “Chuck”? Was it Mike C., or was it Chuck Pelto?

Several of the legion of the banned call him variations of “Chuck”.

LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:26:16am

re: #30 buzzsawmonkey

Next thing you know, someone will complain that LGF is prejudiced for denying suffrage to glad fools.

Isn’t suffrage what evil republicans inflict on hard working Americans?
/

unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:26:27am

re: #23 Sharmuta

Why wouldn’t you read the good mail?

You’re right, good question. But I’m not here to respond. I’m back at the prior thread.

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:26:34am

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

Who was the (former) lizard that always used to call Charles “Chuck”? Was it Mike C., or was it Chuck Pelto?

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

simonml Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #29 ilzito guacamolito

And ads for ED.

And then I think, how did they know? She promised not to tell anyone.

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

Any love letters from Pamela or Robert? Those have gotta be good.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:27:32am

JohnnyReb Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

I thought the hip nick name for Charles was Chip? Or am I just way behind the times?

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:28:02am

re: #42 JohnnyReb

I thought the hip nick name for Charles was Chip? Or am I just way behind the times?

Too preppy.

Ringo the Gringo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:28:19am

I love the smell of hate mail in the morning.

I got my first few after Charles posted my Cabazon Dinosaur, Creationist Museum report the other day.

People can be quite nasty.

LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:28:19am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

By using a diminutive they think they’re putting you down. On the contrary it just highlights their pettiness and childishness…….

joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:28:22am

A good day for the market: 7918.75, up 168.94.

/Credit where credit is due.

Dustyvet Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:28:29am

Hmmmmmm…:)

Image: 5.jpg

NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:28:39am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

If I was a hater, I’d use “Chuckles.” It’s both offensive and playful. Too bad they don’t have much of a sense of humor.

CyanSnowHawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:29:15am

re: #47 Dustyvet

Hmmmmmm…:)

[Link: www.funnyanimalphotos.com…]

frakkin’ winged rats!

Jetpilot1101 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:29:34am

I want America to succeed. We have freedom in this country; 52% of America excercised this right and voted for Mr. Obama. He has been rightfully elected and as much as I disagree with his policies, he does have the freedom to govern as he sees fit.

I don’t believe for a second that his socialist/marxist policies will succeed but I don’t wish him to fail as a human being. Regardless of his policies, my job requires that I defend him and follow his orders. My job also requires me to defend the liberty of every American and I will do so to the best of my ability. I love this country and want nothing more then for us to pull out of this morass. I wish we, as the loyal opposition, could agree on a way forward and defend that rather then debasing ourselves to the level of the left and wishing the president to fail. We are better then that, now let’s start proving it!

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:29:36am

Better stop criticizing the GOP, stick to something non-controversial like, say, Intelligent Design!

///// ;-P

Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:29:40am

re: #42 JohnnyReb

I thought the hip nick name for Charles was Chip? Or am I just way behind the times?

I thought it was Chaz. I worked with a Chaz once. He was a liberal and in 2000 was teasing me about Bush being a compassionate conservative, so I told him, “You know, you have to stoop pretty low to rip on compassion.” That shut him up.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:29:45am

re: #48 NukeAtomrod

If I was a hater, I’d use “Chuckles.” It’s both offensive and playful. Too bad they don’t have much of a sense of humor.

There is one who does that on one of the AtS sites. He usually uses a picture of an evil looking clown when he does that. It’s rather childish, IMHO.

Ringo the Gringo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:29:48am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

Don’t forget Chuckles.

Why no Charlie I wonder?

Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #48 NukeAtomrod

If I was a hater, I’d use “Chuckles.” It’s both offensive and playful. Too bad they don’t have much of a sense of humor.

Ya see me being more juvenile, I’d go for Up-Chuck. But that’s just me?

ilzito guacamolito Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:30:13am

re: #39 simonml

And then I think, how did they know? She promised not to tell anyone.

/

Ha!

Catttt Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:30:28am

I learned about blogging at the time of Rathergate. Thanks to Drudge, here I am. How nice when I realized that not only is Charles sharp, and not only does he have a ton of awesome minions who notice things too, but he’s got a solid core of logic and sense.

It’s foolish to want one’s President to fail. Sure, we might think he’s awesomely screwing up, but to want him to fail, no matter what, means we want the USA to fail, especially now, in these tricky, perilous times.

I wish people would spend the time they spend hoping the President fails hoping and praying that he figures out how to succeed, and then does so, because that would be good for everyone.

Dave the..... Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:30:53am

Any post a link yet to the nasty anti-Semetic sydnicated cartoon out today? NRO showed it. Forget the “artist’s” name.

Catttt Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #29 ilzito guacamolito

And ads for ED.

I get ads for fake Rolexes. Lord knows why - I can’t wear a watch (I polarize them).

Kragar Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:31:42am

re: #42 JohnnyReb

I thought the hip nick name for Charles was Chip? Or am I just way behind the times?

You just have to work it right

Charles!
Charles, Charles bo Barles Bonana fanna fo Farles
Fee fy mo Marles, Charles!

Bo Barles
Banana mn
Mi my mo Marles

tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:31:48am

re: #52 Sharmuta

I thought it was Chaz. I worked with a Chaz once. He was a liberal and in 2000 was teasing me about Bush being a compassionate conservative, so I told him, “You know, you have to stoop pretty low to rip on compassion.” That shut him up.

Was it Chaz Michael Michaels?

/movie reference

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:32:00am

NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:32:12am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

There is one who does that on one of the AtS sites. He usually uses a picture of an evil looking clown when he does that. It’s rather childish, IMHO.

See. That ruins it. The best pic would be a Sleestak with a clown nose. An evil clown is too obvious.

tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #57 Catttt

I pray that one day he wakes up and realizes what is right for the Constitution and the people of this country… Nothing more…

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You just have to work it right

Charles!
Charles, Charles bo Barles Bonana fanna fo Farles
Fee fy mo Marles, Charles!

Bo Barles
Banana mn
Mi my mo Marles

Always thought they should do the Name Game with the name “Buck”.

Buck!
Buck, Buck, bo Uck Bonana fanna fo…

Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:27am

I said this way late last night, so I’ll say it again:

For me, it’s not an issue of wanting him to fail. It’s that historically, I know these policies will fail. I would rather see my party get out in front of the proposals and offer effective and positive alternatives. It is in a positive alternative that we can convince the electorate we are the better party for the halls of power.

If this is the marketplace of ideas, and we feel we’re the better product how is heated rhetoric showing the American voters that our premise is true? If this is a marketplace, then our marketing needs improvement- badly. The consumers were dazzled by the packaging of our competition. We already know they will suffer buyer’s remorse, but we hurt the prospect of convincing these consumers to switch products by preemptively rubbing their noses in their mistake and exasperate it by additionally sounding as though we wish them to suffer the equivalent of food poisoning.

I believe the competition’s product will show itself it’s inferiority with little help on our part. We need to focus on marketing our product’s superiority, and an undignified media blitz is liable to instill zero confidence in our product. For the sake of our nation and our posterity, we simply must do better.

Dave the..... Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:28am

[Link: media.nationalreview.com…]

Scroll down slightly

UberInfidel67 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:31am

re: #61 tfc3rid

Ohhh the famous figure skater? lol

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:36am

re: #62 Onibroc

Nice knowing you, bye.

Let's Roll Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:38am

I consider myself neither “drooling” nor a “hater.” But I disagree with Charles. I do want Obama to fail, which simply means the things he proposes are antithetical to the Constitution and conservatism, and I don’t want those proposals to be enacted. I think it’s hair-splitting to say there’s a difference between wanting Obama to fail and wanting his uber-liberal policies to fail.

Nevergiveup Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:41am

Pirates hijacked two chemical tankers off the Somali coastline within 24 hours, the European Union said Thursday.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

With all the warning these companies have had to get their own armed Guards on Board, I just feel fuck em buy now. Let them rot there.

MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:51am

re: #62 Onibroc

Go fuck yourself

snowcrash Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:33:55am

Mail Call should be a regular feature. Very entertaining.

pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:18am

re: #62 Onibroc

Your day to be the asshole?

simonml Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:35am

re: #62 Onibroc

Politics is not a streetfight. Your argument is bunk

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:36am

re: #63 NukeAtomrod

See. That ruins it. The best pic would be a Sleestak with a clown nose. An evil clown is too obvious.

Yeah, that’s a Weatherman with many names for you.

NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:38am

Anyone notice it getting warm in here? I think Onibroc is melting down.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:38am

Dustyvet Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:40am

re: #69 Honorary Yooper

Nice knowing you, bye.

And here’s the Little Green Footballs home edition, thanks for playing…bye now…:)

tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:34:41am

re: #68 UberInfidel67

Ohhh the famous figure skater? lol

Of course… Has a strong likeness to Will Ferrell though…

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:35:03am

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

Don’t forget Chuckles.

Why no Charlie I wonder?

Remember Chuckie Greenballs?

tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:35:06am

re: #71 Nevergiveup

Pirates hijacked two chemical tankers off the Somali coastline within 24 hours, the European Union said Thursday.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

With all the warning these companies have had to get their own armed Guards on Board, I just feel fuck em buy now. Let them rot there.

This whole thing is STILL ongoing? I mean it’s insane…

UberInfidel67 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:35:49am

re: #80 tfc3rid
OMG I noticed that too! Is that weirod or what?

MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:35:52am

re: #62 Onibroc

Karma: 8
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:48 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 19
No. of links posted: 0

Dustyvet Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:00am

re: #81 jcm

Remember Chuckie Greenballs?

I remember Charlie Weaver…but then I’m older then dirt and rocks call me sir…:)

joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:13am

re: #78 Onibroc

There’s a name for people who drop turds in the soup and run away at the first sign of criticism.

Dave the..... Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:20am

Go fuck yourself

You sound like Mandy.

Oh, wait. Nevermind.

summergurl Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:28am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

Just taking liberties consistent with allowing friends to call you a nickname - but in reverse - just trying to goad you into a reaction

coloradobuff Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:29am

It’s true that hoping for any President to fail at least looks bad. I also cannot support a President that steadfastly promotes policies that are disastrous for the country in the long run. In the end, “hoping” for one thing or the other is worthless, as it has no effect on our situation.

Instead, I am convinced that what Congress and the President are doing right now is the wrong approach, given our history. Regardless of whether things improve or decline, I know that a more conservative approach would have resulted in a better outcome. You can’t saddle the citizenry with massive debt that results in little economic payback, and expect the economic situation of the country to improve.

Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:32am

re: #81 jcm

Remember Chuckie Greenballs?

Still used to this day on the stalker sites.

joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:35am

re: #82 tfc3rid

What are they carrying?

MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:36:37am

re: #84 MandyManners

This user is blocked.

Karma: 5
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:48 pm

No. of comments posted: 17
No. of links posted: 0

Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #62 Onibroc

You have some cognitive dissonance going on there, jerk. I wonder if you can spot it.

Athos Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:37:21am

re: #79 Dustyvet

Oh good, a consolation prize since he failed to get the Oscar nomination for overly dramatic exit……

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:37:35am

re: #22 Honorary Yooper

True that. The hate mailers usually have some of the worst spelling and grammar offenses in their comments. They’re rarely fully thought out.

Also, bad reading comprehension, as in the case of the person who thinks Charles is moony over Gov. Jindal.

Some years ago, I wrote in to the Jerusalem Post website, and challenged Jonathan Rosenbaum’s assertion that there was no real anti-Semitism in the United States.

They make you leave an e-mail address on the site, or did at the time. I ain’t doing THAT again.

Aside from the nutjob who believed himself to be the rightful heir to the Davidic throne, and sent me his webpage as proof of his majesty, what I got back was one thoughtful response that even agreed with me, while making a point about what the thought the original author’s point was, and about seven hysterical attacks.

ALL of them told me, in no uncertain terms, that there was TOO anti-Semitism in the U.S. Which was what I had said. I was called naive, stupid, self-hating, ignorant of Jewish history, and a kapo, and was sent links to Stormfront.

I actually wrote back to a couple of these people pointing out that I agreed with them, or they with me, and it was Rosenbaum who’d said there was no American anti-Semitism. Same response back. They weren’t reading what either I or Rosenbaum had said, they were doing a knee-jerk reaction.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:37:49am

subsailor68 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:37:57am

re: #78 Onibroc

Fine. I know when I’m not wanted.

Good bye.

It’s not about not being wanted. It’s about having your say, and being willing to have people disagree with you. Stand and deliver, and then be ready to defend your position.

We have a poster named avanti. He usually gets blasted whenever he posts. But, in his defense, he takes his licking and keeps on ticking, so to speak.

You might want to think about doing the same.

tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:38:38am

re: #91 joncelli

What are they carrying?

Not noted…

jaunte Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:38:55am

re: #94 Athos

Oh good, a consolation prize since he failed to get the Oscar nomination for overly dramatic exit……

Note to lurking socks. Don’t waste your dramatic exit post with a damp squib like that Onibroc’s. Not entertaining at all.

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snowcrash Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:01am

Charles doesn’t seem like a conservative to me either. That is not an insult. Just a description of the very little that has been revealed.

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MandyManners Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:04am

re: #97 subsailor68

It’s not about not being wanted. It’s about having your say, and being willing to have people disagree with you. Stand and deliver, and then be ready to defend your position.

We have a poster named avanti. He usually gets blasted whenever he posts. But, in his defense, he takes his licking and keeps on ticking, so to speak.

You might want to think about doing the same.

Too late. He got da stick.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:08am

I had a feeling this might flush out a few more.

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Karmapolice Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:08am

Charles, I find I agree with you on almost everything. It is generally that I think it and then a few days later you post it and I’m all like “Oh man, I should be Charles VP”. When I disagree, however, it ain’t a biggie. I at least know you think logically, and its just we came to different conclusions. Keep up the good work buddy.

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Old Tanker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:09am

good to see such an open forum here……re: #72 MandyManners

Now it’s deleted? Did I read the right comment?

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simonml Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:12am

I don’t miss [deleted] at all. Its like I can’t even remember [deleted]’s name. Weird

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marge45b Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:21am

I want America to succeed and don’t support Obama’s socialist policies. Rush is right, he wants Obama’s policies to fail but not the country.

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:30am

Didn’t expect a meltdown like that on a thread like this.

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[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:39:57am

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Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:05am

re: #99 jaunte

Note to lurking socks. Don’t waste your dramatic exit post with a damp squib like that Onibroc’s. Not entertaining at all.

If you’re going to flame out, really go out in style!

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:08am

re: #58 Dave the…..

Any post a link yet to the nasty anti-Semetic sydnicated cartoon out today? NRO showed it. Forget the “artist’s” name.

Oliphant, may his name and memory be erased. (How appropriate a curse for a cartoonist is that?)

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subsailor68 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:12am

re: #101 MandyManners

Too late. He got da stick.

LOL! Oh well, such is life without a wife and a gaggle of bouncing babies (as my grandpa used to say).

;-)

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summergurl Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:22am

re: #102 Charles

I had a feeling this might flush out a few more.

Good term, “flush”, down the drain they go

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Dustyvet Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:23am

re: #102 Charles

I had a feeling this might flush out a few more.

And away goes trouble down the drain…Stinky Rooter…:)

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Ojoe Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:42am

The head moron dishes up some more discouragement, way to go moron!
Obama says to expect no rebound this year.

How long can I hold out?

Let’s check the pantry.

Guess it will be a lot of tiny lunches.

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joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:40:44am

re: #98 tfc3rid

That could be double-plus ungood. Park chemical-carrying vessel in the middle of a well-trafficked sea lane, wire it with explosives, threaten to blow it unless you get a ransom. Chemical warfare on the cheap.

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Karmapolice Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Oliphant, may his name and memory be erased. (How appropriate a curse for a cartoonist is that?)

Everytime I see one of his editorial cartoons, a piece of me dies inside…

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Ben Hur Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:41:14am

It worked for the Democrats.

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:41:46am

re: #115 joncelli

That could be double-plus ungood. Park chemical-carrying vessel in the middle of a well-trafficked sea lane, wire it with explosives, threaten to blow it unless you get a ransom. Chemical warfare on the cheap.

no kidding… there seemed to be a lot of information on who the ships belonged to but nothing on the contents of the carriers (if there were any contents)…

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Rancher Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:42:00am

It’s bad PR, plain and simple. The fact that the Dems quoted Rush saying it and ran all over with it should have been a clue. Unfortunately Obama has been very successful growing the size of government, growing the national debt, making the country less secure, and lengthening the recession. His success is America’s failure, but we can certainly articulate that in a better way that can’t be turned against us.

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:42:10am

re: #114 Ojoe

I thought the fundamentals were good?

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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:42:28am

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

~~OLIPHANT~~

Like breaking in a new pen, huh?

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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:42:29am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

They’re probably stealing from M*A*S*H when Hawkeye and BJ would do that to Charles Emerson Winchester the Third. They forgot to steal the wit that goes along with it.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #59 Catttt

I get ads for fake Rolexes. Lord knows why - I can’t wear a watch (I polarize them).

What about spring-and-cog types? Do they go out on you too?

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realwest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:43:04am

I found it interesting - to say the least - that the Republican Party has a “positive” alternative to President Obama’s 3.6 TRILLION DOLLAR Budget and the deficits it would produce and the enormous real tax increases which he is proposing.
Link: [Link: www.politico.com…]

And while I sincerely regret that Charles received ANY hate mail on this (or any other issues) I can understand why some people are concerned about the direction in which President Obama wishes to take this country.
Again, just to make sure my comment is not misunderstood, I do not want America to fail, at all, but do fear that President Obama is taking us down the road to Socialism - which has never worked anywhere it’s been tried and socialized medicine which has been, based on accounts of lizards in Great Britain and in Canada, a disaster.

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Ojoe Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #120 tfc3rid

Pasta is good, and so is peanut butter, in small amounts.

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Old Tanker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #119 Rancher

People cherry pick stuff from this blog to misrepresent it, they’ll continue to do it no matter how nice we make it sound.

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jaunte Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #119 Rancher

It’s bad PR, plain and simple. The fact that the Dems quoted Rush saying it and ran all over with it should have been a clue. Unfortunately Obama has been very successful growing the size of government, growing the national debt, making the country less secure, and lengthening the recession. His success is America’s failure, but we can certainly articulate that in a better way that can’t be turned against us.

That’s worth saying again. For those who may disagree, remember that in this country, most of politics is PR.

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joncelli Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:43:59am

re: #118 tfc3rid

To say nothing of how much of whatever it was they were carrying they had in their holds. And if they could get to a port city with less than stellar security they could do a shitload of damage.

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[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:44:32am

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LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:44:32am

re: #125 Ojoe

Pasta is good, and so is peanut butter, in small amounts.

Just don’t mix pasta with anti-pasta for heaven’s sake. It could mean the end of all life as we know it….
:)

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #128 joncelli

To say nothing of how much of whatever it was they were carrying they had in their holds. And if they could get to a port city with less than stellar security they could do a shitload of damage.

You got that right… We’ll get right on that Overseas Issue…

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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:44:55am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

Going for the Odysseus Award for steering between Scylla and Charybdis.

Sing in me, O Muse, of the lizard of many turnings, & etc.

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NukeAtomrod Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:22am

Conservative desires 101:

A smaller less invasive government.
Individual liberty.
A strong national defense.

_ _ _ _ _

This is why Americans are a center right people. Too bad they aren’t all aware of it.

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Old Tanker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:29am

re: #127 jaunte

That’s worth saying again. For those who may disagree, remember that in this country, most of politics is PR.

It’s not like lefties ever cherry picked this blog to misrepresent it……say things as PR conscious as you want, it will still get misrepresented…..

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #130 LGoPs

Just don’t mix pasta with anti-pasta for heaven’s sake. It could mean the end of all life as we know it….
:)

No, no, you have the anti-pasta first, then the pasta. Then the meat. There is an order to these things.

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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #125 Ojoe

Pasta is good, and so is peanut butter, in small amounts.

But when you put them together, that’s when you have meal!

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Athos Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:41am

re: #128 joncelli

To say nothing of how much of whatever it was they were carrying they had in their holds. And if they could get to a port city with less than stellar security they could do a shitload of damage.

That’s why I fear the large LNG tankers……..

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[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:46am

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:46am

Wow… john gibson on Fox News Radio right now going on a rant against Soros and Obama… Wow…

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[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:45:59am

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:46:18am

re: #133 NukeAtomrod

Conservative desires 101:

A smaller less invasive government.
Individual liberty.
A strong national defense.

_ _ _ _ _

This is why Americans are a center right people. Too bad they aren’t all aware of it.

But is the younger generation really Center Right? It seems not…

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:46:24am

re: #139 tfc3rid

Wow… john gibson on Fox News Radio right now going on a rant against Soros and Obama… Wow…

What’s the gist of it?

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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:46:40am

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, you have the anti-pasta first, then the pasta. Then the meat. There is an order to these things.

I thought if pasta and anti-pasta met there’d be a huge release of energy as they annihilated each other’s particles and anti-particles

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LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:46:55am

re: #139 tfc3rid

Wow… john gibson on Fox News Radio right now going on a rant against Soros and Obama… Wow…

Tell us more……

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Honorary Yooper Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:47:01am

re: #141 tfc3rid

But is the younger generation really Center Right? It seems not…

They, as were all generations before, a mix.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:47:57am

re: #58 Dave the…..

I posted a link in the KPFK discussion earlier today.

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pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:47:59am

OT:

The Times Plans Temporary Pay Cuts

“Facing a steep drop in revenue, The New York Times Company plans to cut the pay of most employees by 5 percent for nine months, in return for 10 days’ leave, and will lay off 100 people and make other budget cuts, executives said on Thursday.”

I think they should voluntarily give up much more than that, don’t you?

Coming on top of not getting called on by the 0-chump at his lil press conference thingy, this has to sting.

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Sharmuta Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:48:32am

“It is in the area of spending that the Republican Party’s performance, in its seven years of power, has been most disappointing.”

~Barry Goldwater

/the more things change…..

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pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #139 tfc3rid

Wow… john gibson on Fox News Radio right now going on a rant against Soros and Obama… Wow…

Too bad he’s up against Rush, time-slot-wise. I like John Gibson, good to hear he’s going after Soros.

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Rednek Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:50:07am

re: #58 Dave the…..

Any post a link yet to the nasty anti-Semetic sydnicated cartoon out today? NRO showed it. Forget the “artist’s” name.

Here is the cartoon

Pretty awful antisemetic venom.

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subsailor68 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:50:14am

I know I sound like a broken record sometimes when I keep recommending:

“The Forgotten Man” Amity Schlaes
“New Deal or Raw Deal” Burton Fulsom Jr.

But perhaps one way to address the current economy, budget proposal, and the other “plans” being put forward would be to take specific examples of what Roosevelt did, and what happened as a result, and do a side-by-side comparison to current proposals. Focus on the idea of “we’ve tried this before, and this is what happened then. This (fill in the blank) will take us down the same road.”

At least that way, we could move away from personalizing the issue, and at the same time provide food for thought for those folks finally realizing that we may not be going in the right direction.

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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:50:20am

re: #136 Guanxi88

But when you put them together, that’s when you have meal!

Pasta and PB? Shall I make Peanut Butter Lasagna tonight?

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pink freud Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:50:27am

re: #150 Rednek

Here is the cartoon

Pretty awful antisemetic venom.

Looks like its got its own thread.

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LGoPs Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:50:30am

re: #147 pink freud

OT:

The Times Plans Temporary Pay Cuts

“Facing a steep drop in revenue, The New York Times Company plans to cut the pay of most employees by 5 percent for nine months, in return for 10 days’ leave, and will lay off 100 people and make other budget cuts, executives said on Thursday.”

I think they should voluntarily give up much more than that, don’t you?

Coming on top of not getting called on by the 0-chump at his lil press conference thingy, this has to sting.

I would give anything to see someone do expose’s on the top people at the Times. And other MFM luminaries too. Kind of like the hit pieces they specialize in doing exclusively on conservatives.
The payback would be wonderful to watch.

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Ben Hur Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:51:13am

re: #147 pink freud

OT:

The Times Plans Temporary Pay Cuts

“Facing a steep drop in revenue, The New York Times Company plans to cut the pay of most employees by 5 percent for nine months, in return for 10 days’ leave, and will lay off 100 people and make other budget cuts, executives said on Thursday.”

I think they should voluntarily give up much more than that, don’t you?

Coming on top of not getting called on by the 0-chump at his lil press conference thingy, this has to sting.

I love it.

Because when a Rep president has to cut federal jobs, or pay, they crucify him.

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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:52:20am

re: #152 Silvergirl

Pasta and PB? Shall I make Peanut Butter Lasagna tonight?

Set an extra place for me, if you do!

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Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #114 Ojoe

OT

The head moron dishes up some more discouragement, way to go moron!
Obama says to expect no rebound this year.

How long can I hold out?

Let’s check the pantry.

Guess it will be a lot of tiny lunches.

At the link:

Obama also said many of the lost jobs in recent years involve work that was done by people getting very low wages and those with limited work skills. He said it will take some time — perhaps through the rest of the year — before vigorous hiring resumes, and that might not happen until businesses see evidence the economy is rebounding.

Oh, like all the IT jobs that have been transferred to India? BZZZT! Wrong, FCBBHO. He’s clueless.

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Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:53:12am

re: #150 Rednek

Here is the cartoon

Pretty awful antisemetic venom.

Oliphant is a scumbag.

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realwest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:53:17am

And btw, y’all, if you are inclined to, you might want to write to the member of the House of Representatives that represents the district in which you live. List of addresses is here: [Link: www.house.gov…]
And should you be so inclined to write to your Senators, their addresses can be found here:[Link: www.senate.gov…]
And while I realize that some of you may think writing to or e-mailing your congresscritters is an exercise in futility, I’d ask you to PLEASE reconsider.
They are supposed to represent us. Let them know, politely, how you feel about Obama’s economic and Tax policies.

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Athos Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:53:24am

re: #139 tfc3rid

Soros deserves the rant. The smug fascist kapo is apparently having a ‘very good crisis’ - earning $1.1 billion.

I’m still wondering who / what started the $550B late September run on the US Money Markets that really brought the banking crisis to a head.

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Ojoe Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:53:26am

re: #130 LGoPs

That mix makes a kind of Thai dish.

LOL

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DaddyG Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:53:57am

re: #38 Charles

It’s very common for haters to use “Chuck” or “Chuckie.” Apparently they think this is the height of wit - I have no idea why.

“Chuck” does not work well with “the name game”.

/Chuck, Chuck Bo Buck, Bannana Fanna Fo…/

Safer to stick with His Supreme Lizardness or some such superlative.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:00am

re: #143 Guanxi88

I thought if pasta and anti-pasta met there’d be a huge release of energy as they annihilated each other’s particles and anti-particles

There is! Why do you think carbo-loading works so well?

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Lincolntf Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:15am

What’s the dillyo? Is this only a big issue because Rush Limbaugh said it? I fervently hoped for Mike Dukakis to fail in his attempts to Socialize Massachusetts. I want political efforts to fail all the time. I was thrilled when Delahunt and McGovern (MA pols) failed in their efforts to prop up Castro. I think that the admonitions against “wanting Obama to fail” has become some sort of brand new standard.
I don’t listen to Rush, but how on earth did his statement cause such a shift in what is acceptable and what is not when it comes to dissent?

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Rancher Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:20am

re: #147 pink freud

The Times Plans Temporary Pay Cuts

They’ll be getting a bailout soon, they’re to liberal to be allowed to fail. At least the newspapers won’t have to worry about Congress micromanaging their industry, I’m sure Congress thinks they’re doing a bang-up job.

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Ozymandias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:23am

you’re 100% in your position, imho. think about elections in the future and having that rush limbaugh phrase “we want the president to fail” thrown at repubs. it is a strange, almost desperate sounding thing.

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[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:35am

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jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:41am

re: #130 LGoPs

Just don’t mix pasta with anti-pasta for heaven’s sake. It could mean the end of all life as we know it….
:)

I keep trying to tell you not to panic people. You have to very carefully balance the calories in pasta and anti-pasta, then if consumed the calories cancel each other out.

/;-P

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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:54:45am

They’re not CRAZY!
I’m CRAZY…..
They’re…STUPID!
I feel better now!
……….Where are my Meds…..

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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:55:20am

re: #133 NukeAtomrod

Conservative desires 101:

A smaller less invasive government.
Individual liberty.
A strong national defense.

_ _ _ _ _

This is why Americans are a center right people. Too bad they aren’t all aware of it.

Unfortunately, for far too many on the right, conservatism means:

Creationism.
Fundamental Christianity.
Constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage and abortion.

All of which are diametrically opposed to true conservatism.

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vagabond trader Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:55:23am

re: #159 realwest

Hi real! Unfortunately, when I have written to my rep, Joe Courtney, the first item in the reply has been a variation of “Bush got us into this.”

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Catttt Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:56:03am

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

What about spring-and-cog types? Do they go out on you too?

I had a $300 Seiko self-winding that lasted five years before kicking its little feet in the air. They tend to be several times minimum (no pun intended) more expensive than your normal electric watch.

Hand-winding are scarce as hen’s teeth, and they tend to be extremely expensive, oddly enough. I use my cell phone to tell the time now, or just ask someone with a watch.

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DaddyG Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #150 Rednek

Here is the cartoon

Pretty awful antisemetic venom.

Meanwhile the shape of a swirl on an ice cream cup that superficially resembled the name of Allah (whle squinting at it from 30 feet away) is enough to incite jihad…

Draw your own conclusions about who is civilized.

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Earick Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #47 Dustyvet

It’s all credit now!

No money left!

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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #77 NukeAtomrod

Anyone notice it getting warm in here? I think Onibroc is melting down.

I think he is, rather inelegantly, trying to make a point. Starting off by insulting the host is rarely a useful method for engaging in useful argument.

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yesandno Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:58:20am

Obama failure without something to replace the void isn’t good for most of us.

Really, we must be on the offensive, rather then the defensive. We are not going to beat them at their own game by playing by their rules. We must play by our rules.

Thing is, the GOP tends to be more ideological than the Dems. Makes it hard to align all of those with strong ideological attitudes to cross over and grasp other GOP members that might not hold that same strong ideological position on a particular position. Too many one issue idealogues.

So we have to start coming up with positions, alternatives, actual legislative ideas that solve real problems….

Always attacking the positions, not the man. We need to know the facts then we can contradict bad positions. I have learned that when I speak quitely and calmly to my child, she has to stop to listen….when I am screaming, she just screams back.

Politics is the art of compromise…we have to have alternatives that lead to actual solutions to problems.

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DaddyG Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:59:01am

re: #160 Athos

Soros deserves the rant. The smug fascist kapo is apparently having a ‘very good crisis’ - earning $1.1 billion.

I’m still wondering who / what started the $550B late September run on the US Money Markets that really brought the banking crisis to a head.

We just need to find a presser with the stones to ask Obama if the gains Soros made at the expense of the suffering middle class should be taxed at 90%?

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Ojoe Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:01:26am

re: #157 Ward Cleaver

I have designed solar buildings. I use computers. I have a professional degree. No one is knocking on my door.

Mr. O’s ideas are a bit of fantasy at the moment.

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yma o hyd Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:01:31am

re: #151 subsailor68

I know I sound like a broken record sometimes when I keep recommending:

“The Forgotten Man” Amity Schlaes
“New Deal or Raw Deal” Burton Fulsom Jr.

But perhaps one way to address the current economy, budget proposal, and the other “plans” being put forward would be to take specific examples of what Roosevelt did, and what happened as a result, and do a side-by-side comparison to current proposals. Focus on the idea of “we’ve tried this before, and this is what happened then. This (fill in the blank) will take us down the same road.”

At least that way, we could move away from personalizing the issue, and at the same time provide food for thought for those folks finally realizing that we may not be going in the right direction.

No - do go on saying this.
I heartily second your advice on reading these books. What those two describe is by no means main-stream knowledge.

One thing I found jaw-droppingly amazing is that right after FDR’s death, a whole LLL academic industry sprang up, elevating him and making him into the icon he now is.
There was no criticism! And if people wanted to get on in academia, they knew they had to toe that line …

So - read these books, and use that information - because it gives chapter and verse on what was tried, how it didn’t work and why - and you can get an idea of what PB0 still has in store for you!

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gulfloafer Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:03:00am

If the President fails then naturally the country fails. That seems rational enough. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? On the flip side, if some of these policies he’s proposing go through I fear our personal liberties will be in jeopardy. The numbers just don’t add up, it’s a shell game. How can you charge and borrow yourself out of debt? Debt of historic, nay, mind boggling proportions. Somebody has to pay in the end. The president alluded to the fact much of this would be predicated on the hope that somebody, somewhere, would invent a groundbreaking new technology. Did somebody figure out how to travel faster than the speed of light? If socialism ever succeeded in anything other than sucking the life blood from the productive part of society I’d like to hear it. My grandmother once told me “Sh*t in one hand and and wish in the other and let me know which one fills up first.” I HOPE// the worm turns soon but in the meantime I’m socking away some loot. I’m in the ant vs grasshopper mode. Something is seriously not right.

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realwest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:07:23am

re: #133 NukeAtomrod
May I suggest that you write polite but firm e-mails or letters to you Senators and Congressmen/women at the addresses I provided at #128 above.

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Rancher Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:07:55am

re: #179 yma o hyd

Henry Morganthau, FDR’s Treasury secretary, told Congress in May 1939: “We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started … And an enormous debt to boot!”

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Bud Norton Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:08:41am

I am wit’ you, chief. The average American uninterested in following politics believes Obama wants what he (the average American) wants, so the phrase “I hope he fails” sounds like the speaker wants America to fail, regardless of how one tries to justify the remark. The analogy I use is someone who tries to bring rain and end a drought by starting fires all over the neighborhood. Do we hope he fails? That’s not the question. The question is why we are we allowing him to do something so foolish in the first place. One has to assume BHO’s goals are laudable (I don’t assume that, but you lose people if you ask them to believe any different), but the means are disastrous.

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yesandno Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:09:22am

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, you have the anti-pasta first, then the pasta. Then the meat. There is an order to these things.

ANTE Pasta….ante meaning before….

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SalsaNChips Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:12:15am

That whole “hope he fails” bit that started with Rush made me winch as well.

“Hoping” somebody “fails” — fails WHY? What’s the reason? What’s the solution? You have none!

The correct stance (IMHO) would be “Obama will not succeed and here’s why” and offer alternatives.

Not a quick and easy sound bite, but that’s just the way it is…

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FreeRadical Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:14:54am

Respectfully disagree completely with you, Charles.
I hate the GOP as much as any good conservative should…. BUT, it is morally irresponsible to hope b. hussein obama and his policies suffer anything other that abject failure.

We are way past time to be nice. I hate obama. I hate his voters. I hate the clueless fucks in the middle that voted for him because they are clueless fucks. My love, my allegiance is only to America. … Only to the tenants of free enterprise, limited government, private property, individual responsibility and the rule of law under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

To that end, I am MORALLY BOUND to hope b. hussein obama fails.

You are trading a little short term political expediency for what could be long term gain. We must make America a place where being b. hussein obama is impossible. His ilk must be shamed and shunned and scorned and made to be on the very very very very fringes of society. America should have no more than 2 or 3 hundred people in all the land that are b. hussein obama …. and they should be miserable. The trick is we have to quit being nice.

Every good American must quit allowing the b. hussein obama’s of the world on their property, in their workplaces. WE MUST ACTIVELY DISCRIMINATE FOR GOOD. Don’t sell b. hussein obama’s bread. Don’t loan them money. Don’t hire them. Do lay them off first. Do not let them near your kids. Daily, actively, eagerly, joyfully WE MUST HATE THESE PEOPLE.

Okay, end rant. GOD DAMN OBAMA. GOD DAMN HIM TO HELL.

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DisturbedEma Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:14:58am

See this yet…and from TIME no less…

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realwest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:15:32am

re: #181 realwest
PIMF: My #159 above.
Hard to keep up with Charles today!

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realwest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:16:47am

re: #171 vagabond trader
Keep trying! And write to your Senators as well.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:17:27am

re: #186 FreeRadical

Lovely. Good luck with your hatred. See how far that gets you.

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realwest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:17:39am

I’m ought of here now - hope you all have a fine day, and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

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gulfloafer Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:18:01am

re: #186 FreeRadical
Tell us how you really feel //

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #142 Honorary Yooper

What’s the gist of it?

He’s had some lefties calling today and telling him to tone it down on Obama and Soros and Gibson basically screaming that we all told you the connections and that they share a mindset and now we are seeing it… He also called Ron Paul a geek and had some folks call and support Paul and Alex Jones and Gibson asked them if they are still wearing their tinfoil hat and that it was disgrace for Napolitano to have them on…

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KenJen Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:20:53am

A customer just told me that she heard O is considering doing away with mortgage interest deductions. Cant find any info on it.

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tfc3rid Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:23:16am

re: #194 KenJen

A customer just told me that she heard O is considering doing away with mortgage interest deductions. Cant find any info on it.

I’ve heard it as well… I’ll try and dig some info up…

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FreeRadical Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:25:00am

re: #190 Charles

Hatred alone won’t do. But, it will go a long way if it is matched with a love for America. We must inculcate equal parts Love for America and Hate for the GOP and b. hussein obamas. Jesus may have said love your enemy, but Jesus never met b. hussein obama. His type is why hate exists.

Keep up the good work. I just disagree with you here, that’s all. I’m pretty sure ;) you’ll be on the correct side if we ever get to a civil war. That’s good enuf for me.

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subsailor68 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:27:32am

re: #194 KenJen

A customer just told me that she heard O is considering doing away with mortgage interest deductions. Cant find any info on it.

Here’s a link (caveat: it appears to be an industry journal):

Home Mortgage Deduction Under Attack By Presidential Panel

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KenJen Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:38:41am

re: #197 subsailor68

Thanks.

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Emerald Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:49:01am

No surprise that the anti-letter takes the low road, and then sinks even more. It’s the heart of the issue - the ability to criticize the other side without resorting to childish and churlish comments.

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jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:51:17am

re: #197 subsailor68

Here’s a link (caveat: it appears to be an industry journal):

Home Mortgage Deduction Under Attack By Presidential Panel

Why not the [deleted] consider making vets pay for their own health care, and idea which was DOA with congress. But he still proposed it.

A mortgage deduction from his POV is taking money from government.

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smalyshev Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:52:03am

The thing is it doesn’t matter what we want - Obama policies will fail for the same reasons socialism had always failed - the model of government usurping the right to make decisions and the idea of squeezing the productive members of society to finance feel-good ideas that don’t improve anything but the mood of the government apparatchik doing them - it does not work.
Democrats can’t wish socialism into succeeding, and neither can anybody else. So would everybody tell in most friendly voice that we want the Socialist Messiah to succeed or they would not - it does not matter, the result will be the same epic FAIL.

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Egregious Philbin Thu, Mar 26, 2009 11:59:03am

I am so disheartened that so many people in my party seem to have decided to let a radio guy think for them. There was an article a few weeks ago about the party going lowbrow and relying on the Limbaugh and Coulter wing to be spokesmen.

I know radio, its all a ruse. Especially talk radio, hosts will say things to get you fired up and to get ratings, they don’t really believe it. People are being so manipulated by entertainers in our party its sickening. Yet, we all have a hearty chortle at the Streisands or Sean Penn’s telling the libs how to think.

Bottom line, what Rush said was said to get attention and ratings, a diplomat wouldn’t have said it. It was said to excite rather than enlight.

And if that is what our party wants, then its over, shut out the lights, we can be a bunch of yahoos.

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Jimmah Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:02:39pm

At this rate it won’t be too long before elements of the right start boosting Ahmedinehad and Chavez on account of their ‘plucky’ and ‘gutsy’ statements about Obama.

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Ojoe Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #202 Egregious Philbin

Check out the Modern Whig Party. I joined.

Modern Whig Party.

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Abu Lahab Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:05:58pm

This is probably OT, but I don’t get the so-called humor in calling Charles “Chuck” ! I have seen that in other hateful comments on some blogs.
I can’t take seriously someone who starts his argument or comment with this “witty” approach. And it’s ironic when such a person writes “grow up!”.

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Macker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:13:08pm

re: #40 Ward Cleaver

Any love letters from Pamela or Robert? Those have gotta be good.

If he did get such e-mails, I’m sure Charles is holding them for something really special.

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snowcrash Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:14:11pm

re: #151 subsailor68
Just got it from the library on a recommendation from someone at LGF.I love the preface quote from Wm. Graham Sumner :The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C’s interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man.The forgotten man… . He works, he votes, generally he prays, but his chief business in life is to pay.”

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alegrias Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #196 FreeRadical

Hatred alone won’t do. But, it will go a long way if it is matched with a love for America. We must inculcate equal parts Love for America and Hate for the GOP and b. hussein obamas. Jesus may have said love your enemy, but Jesus never met b. hussein obama. His type is why hate exists.

Keep up the good work. I just disagree with you here, that’s all. I’m pretty sure ;) you’ll be on the correct side if we ever get to a civil war. That’s good enuf for me.

* * *
UGH.

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Macker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:19:07pm

re: #196 FreeRadical

Grammar and spell check….

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Jimmah Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:23:33pm

re: #205 Abu Lahab

This is probably OT, but I don’t get the so-called humor in calling Charles “Chuck” ! I have seen that in other hateful comments on some blogs.
I can’t take seriously someone who starts his argument or comment with this “witty” approach. And it’s ironic when such a person writes “grow up!”.

I was thinking about that earlier today as well. It’s the verbal equivalent of sticking their tongue out, which is obviously their way of letting us know how infantile they are.

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lesbianrainforest Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:50:01pm

re: #100 snowcrash

Agree. No true conservative would want Obama to succeed. We all knew in advance what he wanted to do and now he is doing it. Failure is our only hope.

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Colonel Panik Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:57:53pm

Listening to Rush right now. He’s talking about the latest Arbitron ratings. Seems like the Obama administration’s attacks on him are just helping his audience grow. LOL.

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slee3598 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 12:58:31pm

I’ve gotta say, that I respectfully disagree with Charles. Let me preface that by saying how disgusting it is that all you have to do is come out with a comment on an issue one way or another and people lash out with pure vitriol. I think it demonstrates where our society is at present.
I don’t think it wins any political points to pander to the middle, most of those in the middle have no substance to back up there opinions. In fact I believe pandering to the middle is what has led the GOP to where it is today. Its has been the Democratic Party’s M.O. to pander to the middle by use of focus groups and polls, and charismatic “American Idol” candidates the talk pretty and say nothing beautifully , and i don’t know if you’ve noticed but when they to campaign to the right and we campaign to the left, or center, they win elections. The only way the GOP can win elections, or public support is to stand on principal, to make clear the difference.
If republicans say ” I disagree with everything the president is doing, but I support him all the way and hope he succeeds”, how ridiculous does that sound? How does that help them win the next election?
When everything starts tanking, the markets, high inflation, massive tax increases and the real restlessness grows among the public, they will remember those who vehemently disagreed and will listen to that message.
All this aside, I still love LGF!

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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:03:29pm

re: #212 Colonel Panik

Listening to Rush right now. He’s talking about the latest Arbitron ratings. Seems like the Obama administration’s attacks on him are just helping his audience grow. LOL.

What a surprise. You mean Rush Limbaugh’s all about promoting Rush Limbaugh? Go figure.

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Code Red 21 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:04:28pm

I think people in this country need to get over their love affair with political partys, skin color, sexual preference, religious beliefs and whatever their particular grievance group…etc., etc. is. We have been pitted, one group against another, to weaken us as a nation. It has been about divide and conquer. We have got to hang together as patriots for a common cause and to me that cause is to keep the United States united. What damn difference does it make if your a donkey, an elephant, gay, black or Barney purple if we don’t have a country left. We are headed down a dangerous path of destruction as a sovereign, free Democratic Republic and that is what matters the most to me. I don’t care who is POTUS but if their policies are going to destroy us then I want that person and their policies to fail.

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hazzyday Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:11:18pm

re: #196 FreeRadical

Hatred alone won’t do. But, it will go a long way if it is matched with a love for America. We must inculcate equal parts Love for America and Hate for the GOP and b. hussein obamas. Jesus may have said love your enemy, but Jesus never met b. hussein obama. His type is why hate exists.

Keep up the good work. I just disagree with you here, that’s all. I’m pretty sure ;) you’ll be on the correct side if we ever get to a civil war. That’s good enuf for me.

Ha Ha that was funny. What hate does at the level you enjoy it is to cloud the mind over. You will have a hard time being clear on anything but the lowest common denominator.

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J.S. Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:25:33pm

hmm…perhaps some need to consider (seriously) just what a state of “failed policies” of an Obama administration would look like. Sky rocketing unemployment? Rampant inflation? Astronomical numbers of homeless beggars? Bread lines? Third World conditions? Think about it. Should this make anyone (other than a Dinner Jacket) gleeful?

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ladycatnip Thu, Mar 26, 2009 1:53:17pm

On my way to work and late to this thread.

I’m unclear as to what exactly others mean when they say, “I hope Obama fails.” Here is clarification on exactly what I mean when I say I wish the O fails:

I hope and pray Obama’s attempts at dismantling and deconstructing our capitalistic free market fails miserably. I hope and pray his attempts to nationalize banks and health care fail. I hope each and every attempt by the O’s administration to limit our freedoms fails. I hope the O fails to ram his socialist/Marxist agenda down the American throat. I hope the O fails in his promise to bankrupt the coal industry and fails to hike utility fees to an obscene level. I hope Obama fails to keep his promise to change our American way of life as we know it.

Conversely, I hope and pray the GOP and moderate dems are successful in blocking his massive spending bills and successful in stopping the power grab of our banks, hedge funds, executive pay, etc.

If Obama governs as a centrist, I hope he has a magnificent 4 years in office.

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Boxy_brown Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:08:19pm

It’s never “conservative” to shoot yourself in the foot.

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Boxy_brown Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:16:27pm

(again, to no one in particular)

One more thing, there is no such thing as a “conservative nanny state”. “Big government conservatism” is an oxymoron… this is another incongruity between what people people supposedly stand for and what they are actually advocating. Sort of like a “liberal” advocating intolerance…. It’s all so blasted annoying. I need to move to an island somewhere.

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sixgunsamori Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:46:22pm

To say that I disagree would be a monumental understatement. Whether my disagreeing is respectful or not is of little import. I thank our host for the informative sight; but…
True, talk radio runs on controversy. Unfortunately, so does ALL MEDIA. Controversy is the great traffic generator, the perpetual motion machine that sells overpriced widgets to underpaid plebes.
McCain ran a clean campaign and retreated from any and all signs of impropriety. McCain was the media darling, that rare conservative who was not afraid to speak ill of fellow conservatives. He would not permit his followers to use Obama’s middle name for fear of appearing racist and islamophobic. In the end, it didn’t matter.Racist rants were created out of whole cloth and parroted endlessly to folks who should have known better, should have verified the truth of these statements before running with them. In our era what any conservative states is not determined by the content or context of his or her actual statement, but by the INTENT of the media reportage.
This is made worse by the feeling of some in media, some on our own side, that the conservative pie is a finite thing. If this is how you view your group and niche, your life will never be a happy or fulfilling one. You will always be looking at the size of everyone else’s slice and calculating how much smaller yours must be by contrast.
I see the pie as infinite. I will never agree with everyone on my side, nor do I expect to. I don’t lose sleep over that; as Will Rogers so eloquently put it, “we are all ignorant on different subjects”.
I want Obama to fail because that would be good for the nation: Socialism must be shown for the sham that it is to insure we never again fall for its vacant promises. We must articulate that government can only “give” what it has taken by force from someone else. Free goods that were gained at the expense of others are not satisfying to anyone with a healthy conscience or a dollop of grey matter twixt their ears. We must cease talking about what we deserve and what we are owed as a society and begin discussing what we can do for ourselves. Our last depression gave two generations of Americans a priceless education in terms of what they could do for themselves and their families… what they would do, if they had no other choice. If our economy collapses new generations will relearn these lessons. I want America to succeed. The office of the president is a symbol of our country, nothing more. His success or failure is immaterial to me.

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hotei Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:12:39pm

Obama will fail this country and its citizens with his policies. I disagree that hoping these policies fail is either reactionary or a meme that does not deserve defending. This is, after all, merely politics. And I am of the opinion that history will bear out the disastrous consequences of his and the democrat party’s policies.

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gulfloafer Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:15:32pm

re: #217 J.S.
That’s probably the most likely outcome anyway if his policies are implemented.

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Bill K. Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:16:43pm

Wanting Obama to fail is really beside the point. He will fail if he continues on his present course.

The Lightworker doesn’t get some pass on reality where he can make a socialist economy work or where his global warming initiatives will create a green utopia instead of a return to the Stone Age or where his foreign policy of appeasing Islamic militants will make us safe.

The Republicans need to get off their inane creationist jag and start promoting a proper government agenda such a vastly smaller federal government and a strong foreign policy.

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USBeast Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:28:52pm

I want President Obama to succeed. I want him to succeed at realizing how wrong he is. I want him to succeed in reining in the rabid elements of his party before they send this country down the drain. I want him to succeed at coming to grips with the fact that Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization and needs to be confronted with its shortcomings.

Failing this, I want him to fail…to win the next election.

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Yosemite Bill Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:14:37pm

Charles- 214
Umm….Rush Limbaugh has done more to control the damage the Left - the Statists- the Marxists- and yes, the secularists have been and are doing to this Republic than most of the other”conservatives” combined.
The fact that he is confident and unapologetic in his support for this nation, our Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the Judeo-Christian tradition - civil society - that spawned those documents of course offends many “moderates.”
Of course those “moderates” spend most of their waking hours apologizing to the Leftist friends for being moderate, Christian, less than PC, not “progressive,”etc. Needing to be liked, approved of by the media, or invited to the”in” dinner party did not win battle for Freedom in 1776 and it sure as Hell will not retain what little freedom that remains here in 2009.
Limbaugh ain’t the problem Charles.

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Lizard by the Bay Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:47:07pm

Sorry Charles, but the sentiment in this:

Um, succeed at radically altering the character of American society so that we more closely resemble, say, Sweden? Is that really want the “vast middle” wants and, therefore, is pulling for Obama.

resonates with me far more than some congratulatory email from a liberal.

Just one lizard’s opinion.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 6:14:31pm

re: #227 Lizard by the Bay

Sorry Charles, but the sentiment in this:

resonates with me far more than some congratulatory email from a liberal.

Just one lizard’s opinion.

Really? So how do you feel about being one of the “loyal sheep?” That resonate with you too?

Why don’t you explain to your loyal sheep exactly how it is that the ‘vast middle’ wants Obama to succeed?

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Syrah Thu, Mar 26, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #160 Athos

Soros deserves the rant. The smug fascist kapo is apparently having a ‘very good crisis’ - earning $1.1 billion.

I’m still wondering who / what started the $550B late September run on the US Money Markets that really brought the banking crisis to a head.

Malaysia wasn’t it?

Didn’t they have a little problem with their currency?

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scrubjay Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:04:27am

What is wrong with wanting a policy or a person with whom you disagree to fail? Are we, with that phrase, appealing to those who understand the issues or to those who are only concerned with impressions? I separate the nation and the people from the policies of their leaders. Shouldn’t we be able to delineate that difference?

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Lizard by the Bay Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #228 Charles

Really? So how do you feel about being one of the “loyal sheep?” That resonate with you too?

Charles, you’ll notice that I didn’t quote that section. I can agree with some sentiments in a message without agreeing with all of them. Furthermore, I can agree with a website owner on some things, but not on others. I quoted what I agreed with it.

Besides, considering my post and the fact that I’m still here discredits the whole “loyal sheep” accusation anyway, does it not? Please don’t be paranoid Charles. I wouldn’t be a regular contributor here if I was “out to get you”. I’m here because I like it here.

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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 28, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #231 Lizard by the Bay

Charles, you’ll notice that I didn’t quote that section. I can agree with some sentiments in a message without agreeing with all of them. Furthermore, I can agree with a website owner on some things, but not on others. I quoted what I agreed with it.

Besides, considering my post and the fact that I’m still here discredits the whole “loyal sheep” accusation anyway, does it not? Please don’t be paranoid Charles. I wouldn’t be a regular contributor here if I was “out to get you”. I’m here because I like it here.

“Paranoid?” Hardly. My point is that you cherry-picked one thing out of an insult-laden email to agree with. I just think it’s weird to bypass all the slurs and insults — against me and against all LGF readers — and say the message “resonates” with you.

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