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Dr. Lao: My specialty is wisdom. Do you know what wisdom is?
Mike: No sir.
Dr. Lao: Wise answer.
— 7 Faces of Dr. Lao
684 comments
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 10:58:57pm |
Hmmm, wisdom is correctly applied knowledge as far as I am aware. :)
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:00:31pm |
Wisdom is the ability to learn from someone else’s mistakes…so you don’t have to make them all yourself = )
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:00:50pm |
Yay! A new thread for nothing to transpire on.
Kind of like how nothing transpired at Tianamen Square 20 years ago this week.
Or nothing happened 65 years ago on the beaches of Normandy.
/But I’ll have to give Google credit for remembering the 25th anniversary of Tetris.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:01:37pm |
Back in twenty. Guess I should go see that the rest of the building is still standing.
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:03:12pm |
re: #3 Fenway_Nation
I wasn’t surprised that google missed the D-day anniversary…I was a bit surprised when Wikipedia didn’t have it on the front page in their “this day in history” section…..
And 45 years ago yesterday, better half was born in an elevator = )
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pink freud Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:05:30pm |
re: #5 srb1976
I wasn’t surprised that google missed the D-day anniversary…I was a bit surprised when Wikipedia didn’t have it on the front page in their “this day in history” section…..
And 45 years ago yesterday, better half was born in an elevator = )
History revisionism proceeds apace.
Happy Birthday to the better half!
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:05:51pm |
I’ve posted this before, under another title.
When pulled over, the officer will first ask, “May I see your license and registration, please?” Respond quickly and forthrightly as you can with, “I’ll ask the questions here.” If you are not immediately taken out of your car and beaten, you are now in control.
Ask for the cop’s license and registration. Be sure to tuck them away in your left-front pocket. This will leave your law enforcement representative with the desire to regain position of his identification, gaining you further compliance.
Then, ask a series of questions.
“Where were you coming from just now?”
“What kind of business did you have [in the designated location].” It’s completely alright if he had official police business. Let him know that. This will gain his trust.
“Did you know why you pulled me over tonight?” This must always be the third question asked. If he doesn’t have a good answer, probe him or her for reasons by suggesting some general reasons people get pulled over: tail-light out, tire low on air, trunk ajar, etc. It is important to be aware of your vehicle’s possible infractions, and steer the officer away from them.
“Have you had anything to drink tonight?”
“Are there any weapons in your vehicle tonight?” Be sure to quiz the officer on the gauge, caliber and twist of each weapon’s rifling. This will verify your authority.
“Is there anything else in your vehicle I should know about?” This will most certainly put the cop on the defensive, and he or she will be most happy to end this confrontation. Press the issue further. Cops share cars, and they know the law: whatever is in the car falls under that driver’s personal responsibility.
Finally, tell the officer that you appreciate his/her cooperation, and that you feel confident that you’re not making a mistake in letting him/her off with a warning.
“You have a good night, now.”
Let the cop drive off, first. Then take the first turn you can and get the hell out of there before he/she figures out what just happened.
I believe it’s called the Bugs Bunny Maneuver Gambit.
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:06:22pm |
re: #6 pink freud
History revisionism proceeds apace.
Happy Birthday to the better half!
Thanks, his party was this evening……had a blast! I love my in-laws = )
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:10:32pm |
re: #7 Noam Sayin’
LOL!
I once had a police officer “lose” my registration in his ticket book. We both knew he had had it, but he couldn’t find it. He offered to give me the $10 to get a copy at the DMV, which I refused. 4 days later, I got it back, in the mail! He’d found it!
( I deserved the speeding ticket)
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:12:31pm |
re: #6 pink freud
YouTube let us know that Friday was World Environment Day or some crap on Firday….
Guess nothing else was happening this week
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:12:54pm |
re: #10 Floral Giraffe
I know someone who once got out of a (richly deserved) speeding ticket because the officer never turned it in…..got a signed letter from the court saying so too.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:14:58pm |
re: #11 Fenway_Nation
YouTube let us know that Friday was World Environment Day or some crap on Firday….
Guess nothing else was happening this week
I guess the days of America shining brightly are considered to be a bad thing by Those Who Matter.
/
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:15:24pm |
re: #12 srb1976
I paid the fine. I had completely deserved it. It was the 20 minutes picking thru the trash along the freeway, I resented mostly. And, I, um, had, some things in the car, I didn’t want him to find.
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:17:59pm |
re: #14 Floral Giraffe
Now the last time I had that happen (pulled over with something I would rather they didn’t find) they found it….and took it, but never filed any charges…..count my lucky stars I guess = )
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:18:20pm |
re: #13 pink freud
I have yet to recieve any indication otherwise from the White House and MSM.
Seriously….pretty much every move the 0bama Administration has made seems like it’s predicated on the premise that American military and economic supremacy are bad things and must be avoided at all costs.
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Sharmuta Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:19:01pm |
Wisdom is stashing a little piece of chocolate, just in case of emergency.
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NY Nana Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:19:17pm |
I said g’nite on the dead thread! Too wasted to realize…here it is, you lucky lizards! ;)
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:20:42pm |
re: #17 Sharmuta
Wisdom is stashing a little piece of chocolate, just in case of emergency.
Why just a little piece?
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:23:13pm |
re: #20 Sharmuta
If it’s too big, it will just be a temptation.
I think, if it exists it will just be a temptation = )
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:24:39pm |
re: #17 Sharmuta
I have white chocolate dipped fortune cookies hidden, just for an emergency!
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:26:21pm |
re: #17 Sharmuta
Except, how do you “hide” it from yourself?
I haven’t mastered that! LOL!
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NY Nana Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:27:41pm |
re: #21 Sharmuta
{G’nite}, Sharm…I don’t even know why I am so tired….but if I don’t close down in 10,9,8,7,6……those darned keyboard marks will be all over my face as my head hits the keyboard!
Sweet dreams!
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:29:11pm |
re: #27 BlueCanuck
You missed Sharuta’s chocolate stash!
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:30:16pm |
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Sharmuta Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:30:43pm |
re: #25 Floral Giraffe
Except, how do you “hide” it from yourself?
I haven’t mastered that! LOL!
Ah- see? Mastering yourself is true wisdom.
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NY Nana Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:33:03pm |
re: #24 Fenway_Nation
G’nite!
The Red Sox won! I will have very good dreams, and keep hearing this in my dreams.
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:33:09pm |
re: #31 BlueCanuck
So I see.
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
pfffft. Chocolate stash’s are nothing. Now if you were talking potato chips…
/I don’t have a sweet tooth, I have a minor salt tooth
Now chips I have….and dips….and pretzels…and rice crackers…..
(In my defense I work 12 hour days in a very hot place….salt is good for not waking up in the middle of the night with cramping feet)
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:34:00pm |
re: #27 BlueCanuck
And I am back. I see I didn’t miss much.
Nevermind that! Is the building in your care still standing!?
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Orbit Rain Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:35:30pm |
…indeed, we are wise to know that there is so much we don’t know…
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:36:09pm |
re: #36 Fenway_Nation
AND, why might it not have been still standing?
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:36:24pm |
re: #33 NY Nana
G’nite!
The Red Sox won!
And Smoltz threw 6 innings of one-hit ball in AAA Pawtucket tonight.
Lester came pretty close to throwing a perfect came (8 batters away, I think). I’d say Theo made the right call by not trading him for Johan Santana.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:36:54pm |
re: #36 Fenway_Nation
Nevermind that! Is the building in your care still standing!?
LOL, why yes it is. Otherwise I wouldn’t be posting.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:37:32pm |
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MarineMomSue Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:37:55pm |
re: #2 srb1976
Wisdom is the ability to learn from someone else’s mistakes…so you don’t have to make them all yourself = )
I tend to think…
education is learning from someone else’s mistakes
and wisdom is actually using what you’ve learned so you don’t make them yourself.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:38:02pm |
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:38:15pm |
re: #36 Fenway_Nation
Nevermind that! Is the building in your care still standing!?
The Careful Builder
Author unknown
I saw them tearing a building down
-a gang of men, in my hometown
With a heave and a ‘ho’ and a “Yes! Yes!” yell -
they swung a beam, and a sidewall fell
I said to the foreman “Are these men skilled?
Like the ones you’d use if you had to build?”
He laughed and said “Oh no! Indeed! The most
common labor is all I need.”
“Because I can destroy in a day or two,
what it takes a builder ten years to do.”
I thought to myself, as I went my way:
“Which of these roles am I willing to play?”
Am I one who’s tearing down,
as I carelessly make my way around?
Or am I one who builds with care.
So my craf. -my community, are just a little better,
because I was there?”
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:38:43pm |
re: #42 MarineMomSue
I tend to think…
education is learning from someone else’s mistakes
and wisdom is actually using what you’ve learned so you don’t make them yourself.
OK….and well said….I like yours better = )
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NY Nana Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:39:08pm |
re: #28 BlueCanuck
Sweet keyboardless dreams.
Thanks! I have to get off line or I will have those dreaded lines…and NY Grampa will keeeel me for staying up so late!
/Before he can, I have to get him off of his computer.
G’nite! I think I really mean it this time. Honest!
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:40:49pm |
re: #46 NY Nana
Thanks! I have to get off line or I will have those dreaded lines…and NY Grampa will keeeel me for staying up so late!
/Before he can, I have to get him off of his computer.
G’nite! I think I really mean it this time. Honest!
Goon night, Nana!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:41:01pm |
re: #38 Floral Giraffe
I think blue was saying something about stepping away to see if the building in his care was still standing, earlier.
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:43:52pm |
OK, I have to sleep pretty soon….at least tomorrow is a real day off….no party prep, or clean up, or work….just me and the littles….Yay!
Anyway….night everyone, have a great day in the morning = )
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:44:04pm |
The Way of Lao Tzu
Translation:
He who knows other men is discerning;
He who understands himself is intelligent.
He who overcomes others is strong;
He who overcomes himself is mighty.
He who is satisfied with himself is rich;
He who goes on acting with energy has will.
He who does not fail in the requirements of his position, continues long;
He who dies and yet does not perish, has longevity.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:44:55pm |
re: #49 srb1976
Have an EXCELLENT day off! Sleep late, go to the park, have FUN!
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:45:49pm |
re: #50 gmsc
The purpose of the Tao Te Ching is to become as the uncarved block. :)
/read it, along with the Tao of Pooh, and the Te of Piglet.
//Hey if you are going to read philosophy don’t limit yourself to the western philosophers.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:47:02pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
Can’t remember where you hid it, huh?
///////
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:49:00pm |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:49:27pm |
re: #52 BlueCanuck
One of my pals is a day-trader. Maybe he should write a book called The Tao of Ka-Ching!
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:50:52pm |
re: #57 Fenway_Nation
I see buzzsawmonkey has an apprentice now. How long did it take to twist his arm to take on the likes of you. ;)
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:53:30pm |
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:54:32pm |
re: #52 BlueCanuck
The purpose of the Tao Te Ching is to become as the uncarved block. :)
/read it, along with the Tao of Pooh, and the Te of Piglet.
//Hey if you are going to read philosophy don’t limit yourself to the western philosophers.
I lean more toward the Bother of Eeyore.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:55:24pm |
re: #59 BatGuano
*sigh* Unfortunately I can’t open youtube links at work. Or any video, music, social networking sites as well. Almost had a heart attack on Tuesday. This site was blocked as well for some reason or other. Was unblocked the next day fortunately.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:57:18pm |
re: #57 Fenway_Nation
One of my pals is a day-trader. Maybe he should write a book called The Tao of Ka-Ching!
How about: That Was Zen, This is Tao
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:57:21pm |
re: #59 BatGuano
Good evening, BatGuano!
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:58:05pm |
re: #61 BlueCanuck
*sigh* Unfortunately I can’t open youtube links at work. Or any video, music, social networking sites as well. Almost had a heart attack on Tuesday. This site was blocked as well for some reason or other. Was unblocked the next day fortunately.
Too bad. I just posted part of the scene form ” A fish Called Wanda”. She calls Otto an ape.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:58:40pm |
re: #57 Fenway_Nation
Is he making any money? Or made enough to live off for a while?
I hope so! My BIL has done OK, day trading.
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 6, 2009 11:58:51pm |
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:00:01am |
Today in History, June 7th:
Highlights of this day in history: James Byrd, Jr. dragged to death in Texas; Communists complete takeover of Czechoslovakia; Israel destroys an Iraqi nuclear power plant; ‘Grease’ opens on Broadway; Singer-songwriter Prince born.
Other notable June 7th events include:
1628 – The Petition of Right, a major English constitutional document, is granted the Royal Assent by Charles I and becomes law.
1654 – Louis XIV is crowned King of France.
1892 – Benjamin Harrison becomes the first President of the United States to attend a baseball game.
1893 – Gandhi’s first act of civil disobedience.
1909 – Mary Pickford made her screen debut at the age of 16.
1936 – The Steel Workers Organizing Committee, a trade union, is founded in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Philip Murray is elected its first president.
1965 – The Supreme Court of the United States decides on Griswold v. Connecticut, effectively legalizing the use of contraception by married couples.
1967 – The Israeli forces enter Jerusalem during the Six-Day War.
1975 – Sony introduces the Betamax videocassette recorder for sale to the public.
1982 – Priscilla Presley opens Graceland to the public; the bathroom where Elvis Presley died five years earlier is kept off-limits.
1995 – The long range Boeing 777 enters service with United Airlines.
2008 – Hillary Clinton suspends her presidential campaign at the National Building Museum in Washington, D.C..
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:00:36am |
re: #64 BatGuano
Hi BatGuano! Beside anything Monty Python, I think “a fish called wanda” is very funny! My Sis wasn’t too happy when I showed it to the kids, but we had fun!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:00:39am |
If you look at Chinese thought and philosophy the two schools are Confucism and Taoism. Very opposing view points. Kung Fu Tzu stipulated that everything had it’s place and was unmoving. Where as Lao Tzu’s teachings were ones of fluidity movement and change. Confucism was what ruled the empire and emperors for the longest time. While most military philosophy was governed by Taoism.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:02:42am |
re: #65 Floral Giraffe
He’s doing OK….just not as well as he’s used to doing.
Interestingly he blew off my advice about precious metals back in the fall of ‘08.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:03:55am |
re: #70 Fenway_Nation
Survival right now is the new thriving!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:05:41am |
re: #67 gmsc
1909 – Mary Pickford made her screen debut at the age of 16.
I thought I had the bust of her in my pictures, I will rectify it in the afternoon. But this picture is taken just up the street from it. Reason why it’s located there is because the house she was born in was once on the site.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:06:37am |
re: #68 Floral Giraffe
Hi BatGuano! Beside anything Monty Python, I think “a fish called wanda” is very funny! My Sis wasn’t too happy when I showed it to the kids, but we had fun!
I hope they weren’t to traumatized when John Cleese stripped to his knickers:)
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:06:45am |
re: #70 Fenway_Nation
He’s doing OK….just not as well as he’s used to doing.
Interestingly he blew off my advice about precious metals back in the fall of ‘08.
I haven’t trusted precious metals since Nixon took them off the dollar standard.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:10:23am |
re: #74 haakondahl
I trust them in the sense that 10 years ago, if I had a choice of $10,000 worth of gold and $10,000 worth of Enron stock…guess which one I’d take?
/Precious metals can lose value, but not like IndyMac or Enron shares.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:11:23am |
Sharmuta, I wanted to show you the pictures & threads of a friends new kitten!
[Link: www.orchidsinteractive.com…]
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:12:13am |
But Enron stock is backed by dollars, whereas metals are backed by…? Got you there.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:18:46am |
re: #77 haakondahl
Not to mention my AIG stock.
Backed by ?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:21:27am |
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:24:12am |
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:24:28am |
re: #78 gmsc
Classic. I think the old guy on the couch is J.C. Flippen
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:25:45am |
ON Threadage! Been reading the LGF Cookbook. Some good recipes.
Oh, and my boss is an asshole.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:27:32am |
Art Bell’s Wife Denied U.S. Visa
Did Art finally make the wrong person at Area 51 angry at him?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:27:42am |
re: #72 BlueCanuck
Got VERY lucky, sold 90% of the AIG at $92. I inherited it, from one who inherited it, a LONG time ago. It was such a “widows & orphans stock”.
Once upon a time, in a land far, far away……
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:27:52am |
re: #84 BigPapa
ON Threadage! Been reading the LGF Cookbook. Some good recipes.
Oh, and my boss is an asshole.
What’s your real name and where do you work? :)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:28:47am |
re: #12 srb1976
I know someone who once got out of a (richly deserved) speeding ticket because the officer never turned it in…..got a signed letter from the court saying so too.
military ID’s do wonders for minor infractions also…
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:29:00am |
re: #85 freetoken
Art Bell’s Wife Denied U.S. Visa
Did Art finally make the wrong person at Area 51 angry at him?
Next up: Art Bell Denies Wife.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:29:27am |
re: #81 gmsc
After your “grape ape” last night , which went on FOREVER, yes, I will watch another of your links. THIS TIME!
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:29:53am |
re: #88 redc1c4
military ID’s do wonders for minor infractions also…
I demand that my ACLU card get me out of speeding tickets!
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:31:20am |
re: #82 BatGuano
Classic. I think the old guy on the couch is J.C. Flippen
Yep - he plays “Happy Spangler” in that episode, “The Return of Happy Spangler”.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:31:58am |
re: #88 redc1c4
Hey red, how goes the rat patrol tonight? Sorry about that bad e-mail earlier. All I know is that it worked fine on my piece of crap computer.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:32:00am |
re: #90 Floral Giraffe
After your “grape ape” last night , which went on FOREVER, yes, I will watch another of your links. THIS TIME!
Don’t worry. This one is only 6 minutes, and much more of a classic!
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:34:08am |
re: #77 haakondahl
Enron stock worth nothing now. Same with IndyMac. doesn’t make too much difference if it was backed by a precious metal or the greenback.
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:34:55am |
re: #87 BatGuano
What’s your real name and where do you work? :)
Uh…. Chuck, and I work at the Denver Airport……
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:35:53am |
re: #94 gmsc
6 minutes is SHORT after, the grape ape one!
(But I watched it!)
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:37:30am |
re: #97 Floral Giraffe
6 minutes is SHORT after, the grape ape one!
(But I watched it!)
Can you ever forgive me?
;)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:38:42am |
re: #93 BlueCanuck
Hey red, how goes the rat patrol tonight? Sorry about that bad e-mail earlier. All I know is that it worked fine on my piece of crap computer.
2 shots, two kills….. %-)
no ideas about the movie clip: i’m guessing it played okay on your end?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:39:11am |
Well, Lizards of the evening, I do wish our schedules were more compatable! I love the evening lizards, in the evening ( late night too!) but just HATE myself in the morning!
So, goodnight! Keep a troll patrol, & roast the gamy buttocks!
I’ll have a cold glass of wine when you’re done.
No, WINE, not whine!
;)
You can have the beers!
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:40:07am |
re: #100 Floral Giraffe
Well, Lizards of the evening, I do wish our schedules were more compatable! I love the evening lizards, in the evening ( late night too!) but just HATE myself in the morning!
So, goodnight! Keep a troll patrol, & roast the gamy buttocks!
I’ll have a cold glass of wine when you’re done.
No, WINE, not whine!
;)
You can have the beers!
Skoal!
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:40:31am |
re: #100 Floral Giraffe
Well, Lizards of the evening, I do wish our schedules were more compatable! I love the evening lizards, in the evening ( late night too!) but just HATE myself in the morning!
So, goodnight! Keep a troll patrol, & roast the gamy buttocks!
I’ll have a cold glass of wine when you’re done.
No, WINE, not whine!
;)
You can have the beers!
G’Nite, FG!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:41:31am |
re: #99 redc1c4
Hmmm, didn’t get my response then? Oh well. I thought it was humorous
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:46:42am |
re: #100 Floral Giraffe
…. roast the gamy buttocks!
Buttocks doth be roasteth, served with sock puppet stew and moby etouffee.
And lots of wine to wash it down. That reminds me…. back in a minute.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:52:09am |
re: #103 BlueCanuck
Hmmm, didn’t get my response then? Oh well. I thought it was humorous
well, first off, the 101 never crosses Sherman Way, and any plane that tried to land on any of those freeways with that kind of wingspan would be smoking wreckage most ricky tick. either the sound walls, the trees, the lights or the signage would do the trick.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:54:10am |
re: #107 redc1c4
Of course. I know it’s a piece of fantasy, but it still is rather funny just for the whole situation. There is so much “wrong” with the movie I didn’t even know where to start. If you go to the website they have a list of oopsies that there was in the short.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:59:33am |
I’m more tired than I thought.
This will have to be good night for me. Good night, all!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:01:00am |
Night gmsc. Pi dreams, and phi dreams. I will also bbiab. Time for those rounds once again.
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:02:55am |
PF, your Mardi Gras Chicken looks broke da mouth. I’ve never had tasso… which is a good excuse to get some. I’ll probably mail order some.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:19am |
re: #113 BigPapa
Get it out of Lafayette. Authentic Cajun can’t really be had from anywhere else (especially New Orleans). I can make suggestions if you like.
Explain “Mardi Gras chicken”?
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:09:02am |
re: #114 pink freud
Explain “Mardi Gras chicken”?
LGF cookbook; Chicken Mardi Gras; your recipe. I’ve never had tasso and I haven’t cooked for a little while.
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mardukhai Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:09:15am |
I read the book. It was called “The Circus of Dr. Lao.”
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mardukhai Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:09:49am |
Oh, yes. And I remember of the line. Tony Randall said it.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:13:50am |
re: #116 BigPapa
LGF cookbook; Chicken Mardi Gras; your recipe. I’ve never had tasso and I haven’t cooked for a little while.
Oh! I’d forgotten. It’s one my things I throw together here without ever thinking of the official name.
Tasso just rocks …you can use it to season most any meat dish ….shrimp and tasso fettucine, red beans/sausage/rice with tasso; mandatory in gumbos and stews ….chopped up fine in rice dressing. It’s a really fine cut of meat, no fat, beautifully grained, seasoned perfectly.
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:14:35am |
Pink, this place any good?
[Link: www.cajunsausage.com….]
I might as well get some andouille too. I used to make a mean jambalaya, always best with andouille.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:20:24am |
re: #120 BigPapa
Me, I would consider that “knock off cajun”. (See? I can speak Cajun too! :)
Hebert’s is the top-of-the-line, primo, first quality, to-die-for meat market for Cajun products. They invented the turducken and have a wide variety from which to choose. Here’s their main page link and here’s their link for tasso, andouille and the like.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:21:18am |
While you’re at it, pink, can you reccomend any authentic Turduckens?
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:21:27am |
re: #120 BigPapa
Pink, this place any good?
[Link: www.cajunsausage.com….]
I might as well get some andouille too. I used to make a mean jambalaya, always best with andouille.
me and the 6 element were sitting in our local mexican place this morning, eating desayunos, when the juke changed songs….
damn if it wasn’t Hank Williams “Jamballaya” rew*rked in spanish…..
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:23:00am |
re: #122 Fenway_Nation
There ya go, Fenway. Got you taken care of already! :-)
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:24:13am |
this is interesting for some reason.
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:24:15am |
re: #121 pink freud
Nothing like local knowledge! Thanks for the link. Mrs BP gonna be eating good soon.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:27:27am |
re: #126 BigPapa
Nothing like local knowledge! Thanks for the link. Mrs BP gonna be eating good soon.
I hate to see those prices, BP. $8.75 a pound is thievery. I get it for half that. While you’re at it, get yourself some of the pork boudin …it’s excellent.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:27:52am |
re: #126 BigPapa
Nothing like local knowledge! Thanks for the link. Mrs BP gonna be eating good soon.
Are you the cook in the family?
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:29:55am |
re: #128 pink freud
I hate to see those prices, BP. $8.75 a pound is thievery. I get it for half that. While you’re at it, get yourself some of the pork boudin …it’s excellent.
cheaper by far to make my own…….
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:33:24am |
re: #129 BatGuano
Yes, I am le chef. $8.75 for something that I do for a hobby isn’t too bad. Plus I got to ship it. I live in HI, everything is expensive here.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:33:39am |
Gorgeous pic and description of tasso here, BP. (You have me looking at recipes now, Red.)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:36:34am |
re: #131 pink freud
Tasso and andouille?
can be done….. the bbq forum has the recipes, i just need to get busy. %-)
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:37:54am |
re: #135 redc1c4
can be done….. the bbq forum has the recipes, i just need to get busy. %-)
I’ve been itching to smoke a brisket here …same thing, just need to get busy.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:38:25am |
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:39:40am |
I need to get me jambalaya recipe going again. I used Aidell’s andouille, shrimp, a little browned chicken thigh, and mirepoix with lots of white pepper and good ol’ Mahatma rice. 4 Aidell’s sausages had a perfect amount of kick to them so I didn’t need any cayenne.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:40:19am |
re: #136 pink freud
I’ve been itching to smoke a brisket here …same thing, just need to get busy.
well, that and a WSM would help make it easier….
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:44:56am |
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:47:17am |
re: #143 redc1c4
I found this site last weekend! It looks great; I bookmarked it. See, I really have to work myself up to doing a day long brisket cook. It’s been years, but I am determined. Finding that site was my first step.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:50:43am |
re: #144 pink freud
I found this site last weekend! It looks great; I bookmarked it. See, I really have to work myself up to doing a day long brisket cook. It’s been years, but I am determined. Finding that site was my first step.
the related BBQ Forum, where those posts were archived from is great…. i’ve been there since shortly after i first got a PC and an ISP…. great bunch of people.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:51:41am |
re: #145 redc1c4
Now that’s one fine-looking cooking machine right there, Red. I’m hoping to be able to pull it off on my regular Weber. That sure is a nice rig. I don’t think I drink enough to qualify for ownership though. ;-)
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Kronocide Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:52:08am |
re: #145 redc1c4
Beer and power tools are are dangerous together, but can come together in rarified man-glory in the pursuit of properly cooked meat.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:52:53am |
re: #147 pink freud
Now that’s one fine-looking cooking machine right there, Red. I’m hoping to be able to pull it off on my regular Weber. That sure is a nice rig. I don’t think I drink enough to qualify for ownership though. ;-)
so you just have a kettle? brisket will be a bit tough in that…… %-)
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:54:26am |
re: #150 redc1c4
That’s what I’m afraid of, Red. Lost the smoker in the divorce and never replaced it. Any tips that may help? (Other than buying a WSSM?)
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:55:58am |
re: #152 pink freud
That’s what I’m afraid of, Red. Lost the smoker in the divorce and never replaced it. Any tips that may help? (Other than buying a WSSM?)
Cook it in the oven?
pink! :-)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:56:26am |
re: #152 pink freud
That’s what I’m afraid of, Red. Lost the smoker in the divorce and never replaced it. Any tips that may help? (Other than buying a WSSM?)
cook tri-tip instead of brisket? if you shop/wait on Amazon, you can get an WSM for ~$200….. unless you hold out for the new 21” version. %-)
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:56:58am |
re: #153 littleoldlady
Goodmorning, littleoldlady! Yes ….oven …but I hate to cheat!
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:57:18am |
re: #153 littleoldlady
Cook it in the oven?
that’s just gross…… you’d likely put liquid smoke on it too.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:57:57am |
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:58:35am |
re: #152 pink freud
That’s what I’m afraid of, Red. Lost the smoker in the divorce and never replaced it. Any tips that may help? (Other than buying a WSSM?)
Hmm- there’s a way to make your own smoker. Let me see if I can find you a link.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:58:49am |
re: #154 redc1c4
Red, I just don’t smoke enough to justify that. I get the en-vie every now and then but I don’t smoke that often. I do magic on just a stove top most of the time. :-)
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:58:59am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:00:02am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ————————>
Help yourselves!
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:00:44am |
re: #161 littleoldlady
Ha! I saw you’d linked to youtube and I thought …wow! how nice of LOL to get me the step-by-step instructions!
LOL!
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:01:26am |
re: #163 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ————————>
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:01:38am |
BatGuano! :-) Hiya!
pink,
I should send you our smoker, as much as we use it. It looks just like red’s only it’s a single-decker instead of a bunk bed.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:02:39am |
re: #165 pink freud
Well, it IS instructions of a sort… ;-)
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:04:06am |
re: #167 littleoldlady
Smokers were worth it when I was married, had kids and people who still liked me and came over to visit …..
Now, nobody loves me, the kids have lives of their own, and smoking is done mainly for me (which is perfectly ok, of course!) ;-)
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:05:38am |
YES! Alton Brown from Food Network’s ‘Good Eats’ on youtube!
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:06:01am |
re: #170 pink freud
Smokers were worth it when I was married, had kids and people who still liked me and came over to visit …..
Now,
nobody loves me,the kids have lives of their own, and smoking is done mainly for me (which is perfectly ok, of course!) ;-)
There, better. :-)
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:06:27am |
” May the Lord bless and keep the Tzar… far way from us.”
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:07:02am |
re: #170 pink freud
“People” show up here about twice a year- mostly from habit, and probably only because we’re related. They expect brisket or turkey (depending upon WHICH people), neither smoked. They get it.
The rest of the year Stouffers is fine. ;-)
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:07:24am |
Pink- I had some foodie friends use Alton’s idea. They made their own ceramic smoker, and it worked.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:07:26am |
re: #163 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is on the buffet ————————>
Will definitely hit the spot…. and definitely in season too!
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:07:55am |
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:08:17am |
re: #171 Sharmuta
Oh, Sharm, this looks wonderful! Thanks!
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:09:20am |
re: #170 pink freud
Smokers were worth it when I was married, had kids and people who still liked me and came over to visit …..
Now, nobody loves me, the kids have lives of their own, and smoking is done mainly for me (which is perfectly ok, of course!) ;-)
i was never married, i don’t have kids, and no one ever liked me all that much because i’m a smart mouthed asshat……
i still bbq because i like it, and besides, the wood smoke increases my carbon footprint.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:09:23am |
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:10:34am |
re: #181 littleoldlady
YES! That’s the one we have!
/…somewhere
then you can take your brisket to new levels….. email me.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:10:44am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:11:33am |
re: #183 redc1c4
I don’t think the Chanukah crowd would appreciate it.
/besides, I can’t afford brisket!
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:12:04am |
i’m for bed…… bitchey thing said HRH has decreed that certain things will happen come dawn. i suppose i need my rest.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:12:40am |
re: #184 littleoldlady
As long as you do the work… I’ll be glad to take the credit! :-0
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:12:41am |
re: #186 littleoldlady
I don’t think the Chanukah crowd would appreciate it.
/besides, I can’t afford brisket!
$1.99/lb at Fart & Smile…….
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:13:53am |
re: #182 littleoldlady
Great movie, isn’t it? ;-)
Yup. I have it on VHS and DVD. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched it because I do not know. I fell in love with in 1974 when it released. I’m a big fan of Topol.I found out years later that he’s a Sabra.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:17:32am |
re: #188 freetoken
As long as you do the work… I’ll be glad to take the credit! :-0
My idea was…YOU do the work and I’ll do the…um…Marketing!
;-)
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:17:34am |
I’m out folks. Time for a reboot, I’ve slowed to a crawl. Sweet dreams and a wonderful day to all!
Goodnight!
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:18:05am |
re: #192 pink freud
I’m out folks. Time for a reboot, I’ve slowed to a crawl. Sweet dreams and a wonderful day to all!
Goodnight!
Goodnight, Pink
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:18:21am |
I wonder what Fart & Smile is.
Do I actually WANT to know?
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:19:06am |
‘Night, pink! :-) :-) :-)
GREAT seeing you, and good luck with the brisket!
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:21:33am |
re: #190 BatGuano
I cried at the opening credits first time I saw it, and slobbered my way through the whole movie. I found out much later that the reason was my father’s hometown and young life was exactly like that.
/collective unconscious!
//too bad pink is gone - I might have impressed her.
;-)
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:34:45am |
re: #196 littleoldlady
Despite their poverty, they were happy. And what kept their lives together? Tradition! My parents did not have to endure pogroms, but they did have to escape the Oklahoma dust bowl. I think I understand your emotion watching that great movie. Your Father was born on a Shtetl?
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:40:04am |
re: #197 BatGuano
Yup, both my parents, actually, but my mom’s village was close to a “big” (or bigger) city and she considered herself much more cosmopolitan.
/okay, okay…let me be honest…she really considered herself a Hungarian princess! ;-)
I’ve learned that her village (and our family’s lost property) is an off ramp on a very large highway in Slovakia nowadays, so maybe she was right…
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:41:28am |
re: #198 littleoldlady
Correction! The Ukraine, right on the border of Slovakia.
/...a mistake I’ve made more than once before that severely hindered my genealogical research
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:46:05am |
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:46:24am |
Oh yeah, good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup. :)
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:48:06am |
Were you offline? I thought I wasn’t seeing because of your new job!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:48:19am |
Work computer crashed and I had to fight to get the settings reset properly. Definitely not what I needed tonight.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:49:40am |
re: #204 littleoldlady
Well that’s what’s been going on for the past two months or so. I am working a night shift tonight because I did a shift swap as a favour to the person that normally works this shift. I also may have some good news in the coming week.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:50:32am |
Good news would be …. good! ;-)
/and a refreshing difference!
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:52:54am |
re: #199 littleoldlady
Correction! The Ukraine, right on the border of Slovakia.
/...a mistake I’ve made more than once before that severely hindered my genealogical research
The Ukraine? Did they have to endure Stalin’s genocide of that region?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:56:17am |
Hmmmm, I see the thread is still a little slow.
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:02:07am |
re: #209 BlueCanuck
Hmmmm, I see the thread is still a little slow.
it’s just you, me and littleoldlady, apparently.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:03:18am |
*sigh* I guess this is what it has come to then. Well I know buzzsawmonkey is floating around here somewhere.
/love that LGF spy thingy.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:05:33am |
re: #208 BatGuano
The Ukraine? Did they have to endure Stalin’s genocide of that region?
Those that survived Hitler left fairly soon after the war.
It’s an interesting area of the world: SubCarpathian Ruthenia, once part of the Austria-Hungarian empire (which explains why my mother thinks she’s Hungarian! ;-) then Czechoslovakia, and the Ukraine after WWII.
Both my parents’ families lost property (not that I want it back mind you - they were dirt farmers and I’m already loaded with dirt, thank you very much! ;-) But I like to say that “I still have the key”. (Of course, there were no keys. No locks, either. They were lucky to have DOORS!) The Palestinians were not the only people displaced in a war. Some of us have gotten over it, though.
Living Well Is The Best Revenge!™
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Clemente Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:12:42am |
Wisdom’s the remembered fraction of experience.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:15:17am |
The fraction would be bigger if one would experience without alcohol.
;-)
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:16:01am |
Goodnight littleoldlady, Goodnight BlueCanuck, Goodnight, all!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:28:03am |
Morning Clemente. It be super slow here today.
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Clemente Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:35:49am |
re: #219 BlueCanuck
Morning Clemente. It be super slow here today.
Pretty quiet, all right.
Blue - if you’re on a PC - did you get your settings back the way you like them?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:38:35am |
re: #222 Clemente
It was the proxy settings I had to deal with. The “correct” settings are written down here, but the penmanship is rather atrocious. I found an end run some one else had done. It’s a work computer as well. I can’t change too much on it.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:39:21am |
Well, guys….I hate to leave you alone
/even though you’re bound to have more fun with me gone! ;-)
…but I must go “do stuff” :-(
Good day, ALL!™
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:42:11am |
Bye littleoldlady. Have yourself a good day.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:44:44am |
Good morning Desert Sage. Haven’t seen that avatar on you for awhile.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:51:07am |
re: #228 DesertSage
Can’t really say. You know how you get used to some peoples avatars, then *poof* it changes. At least some people seem to keep themes going.
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eon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:57:01am |
re: #230 BlueCanuck
Can’t really say. You know how you get used to some peoples avatars, then *poof* it changes. At least some people seem to keep themes going.
Morning, Lizards.
I was lucky to get my system to let me put up my avatar the first time (and that took three tries). I don’t believe in tempting fate twice.
Due to the rapid acceleration of developing computer technology, any computer system more than 18 months old is now accurately defined by the term Spock used in “The City on the Edge of Forever”- “stone knives and bearskins”.
cheers
eon
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DesertSage Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:59:07am |
re: #230 BlueCanuck
Can’t really say. You know how you get used to some peoples avatars, then *poof* it changes. At least some people seem to keep themes going.
I’ve never changed my avatar.
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haakondahl Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:59:46am |
re: #140 Sharmuta
I found a neat document online:
The Uncertain Trumpet:
a History of Church of England
School Education to AD 2001
Table of Contents:
Contents
Page
Author ix
Foreword
David G. Green x
1. State Subsidy and State Control 1
The Purely Voluntary Efforts of the Church of England 1
The First State Grants and the Beginning
of State Control 2
Purely State Schools 6
The Dual System 9
The Lure of the Wholly State-funded School 10
The Trade-off between Subsidy and Autonomy 13
State-supported Pluralism? 16
2. Christianity in State Schools 19
Before 1870: the Identity of Religion and Education,
and the Unity of the State and the Church 19
1870: ‘No Distinctive Catechism or Formula’ in
Wholly State-supported Schools 29
1902: Civic Virtue without a Religious Underpinning 35
Child-centred Education 37
1944: Spiritual Development, Collective Worship and
Agreed Religious Instruction 41
The 1960s: Losing Ground 47
The New Forms of Religious Education in State Schools
after 1970 49
Revival and Resistance 54
viii THE UNCERTAIN TRUMPET
3. Church of England School Provision 71
The Numerical Contribution of Church of England
Schools to the School System in the Nineteenth and
Twentieth Centuries 73
4. The Civilisation Motive 78
The Nineteenth Century 78
The First Half of the Twentieth Century 80
The Second Half of the Twentieth Century 82
5. The Culture Wars 1950-2001 84
Ways of Looking at the World and Behaving in It 86
Irreconcilable Visions of Man and Morals 86
6. The Sociology of Post-1970 Religious Education 105
The Value-free Study of Beliefs about Facts and
Moral Values 106
The ‘Phenomenological’ Approach to Religious
Education in Schools 113
‘Experiential’ or ‘Affective’ Religious Education
in Schools 119
The Massive Judgements Inherent in this
‘Non-judgementalism’ 122
Notes 127
Index 160
I read that last topic, and recommend it highly. I have skimmed parts 5 and 6, and it looks like damned good stuff.
Section headers from the last topic:
The Massive Judgements Inherent in this ‘Nonjudgementalism’The temporary non-judgementalism of social scientific research
The permanent non-judgementalism of post-1970 religious education
Relativism in religion in the schools was the intention, and it has been the result.
Give it a look. Neat document.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:01:11am |
re: #232 DesertSage
Okay that’s it must drink more coffee. I thought that you had changed your avatar before.
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DesertSage Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:02:53am |
re: #234 BlueCanuck
Nope, it’s been the same for years….ever since we’ve had avatars here.
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callahan23 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:04:11am |
Good morning Lizards,
don’t know if you’ve heard it already but:
Moses’ navigational skills have obviously been not so bad after all.
Among Israelis the joke has always been that when Moses led his people out of Egypt had he’d turned right he would have discovered Saudi’s energy riches. Instead he turned left and got a “land of milk and honey.” But a recent natural gas discovery 50 miles off the Israeli coast near Haifa may have finally laid that old joke to rest. In January, Houston-based Noble Energy, having returned to drilling the offshore Tamar field just months before, announced the discovery of three massive gas fields. Speaking about the find, Yitzhak Tsuva, owner of the Delek Group, a partner in the Tamar No. 1 well, called the find “one of the biggest in the world” and a “historic landmark in the economic independence of Israel.”
Yippee, another factor less with which Israel could be extorted with.
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Rustler Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:06:50am |
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Kenneth Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:07:24am |
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callahan23 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:08:34am |
re: #238 Kenneth
Natural gas: another Muslim “invention” stolen by the Jews!
///deep, deep sarc
Yeah, deep, deep under the sea.
;-)
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Kenneth Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:14:41am |
re: #212 littleoldlady
An incomplete list of displaced persons of the 20th Century:
Armenians in Turkey
Germans displaced from Western Poland
Volga Germans displaced to Siberia
Ukranians displaced to various camps in USSR
Partition of India: millions of Muslims displaced into Pakistan and millions of non-Muslims displaced out of Pakistan
Tibetans displaced from Tibet when China annexed the country
Greeks displaced from Turkey after WWI
Turks displaced from Greece after WWI
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:19:29am |
re: #240 Kenneth
An incomplete list of displaced persons of the 20th Century:
Everything happens for a reason, I guess. If the Armenian Genocide didn’t happen, my parents wouldn’t have met, and I wouldn’t be sitting here living in the greatest country in the world.
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Kenneth Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:19:46am |
The Reckoning: Obama Versus the Way of the Universe by VDH
Obama’s make-over will have positive short-term effects, as he reminds the world ad nauseam that he is black, sorta, kinda from a Muslim family, and the son of an African who is more like the world than he like most Americans-and not George Bush and not a thieving capitalist and not a warmongering imperialist and not (fill in the blanks). (My favorite Cairo line was the apology on Gitmo where inmates have laptops and Mediterranean food, spoken to millions whose societies kill and maim tens of thousands in Gulags on a yearly basis.)
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eon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:22:13am |
re: #238 Kenneth
Natural gas: another Muslim “invention” stolen by the Jews!
///deep, deep sarc
Yeah, just wait ‘til they find out that the Chinese got there first- about 2300 years ago;
The Advanced Technology of Ancient China
Sort of cursory, but it’s the only one I could find that isn’t a frickin’ PDF file.
/Latest PDF gag- any attempt to open one with Mozilla diverts to a page trying to force you to install some “advanced” version of Nitro PDF- and apparently pay for it.
cheers
eon
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Clemente Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:23:46am |
re: #236 callahan23
I remember reading something about this when the field was analyzed at 3 TcF; now they’re saying 5. Truly wonderful news! Sounds like, when this goes on-line in a couple years, Israel could become an energy exporter! Good times!
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Kenneth Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:24:50am |
re: #241 TheMatrix31
No offense intended, but in my opinion, that is an example of reversing the laws of cause and effect. You are suggesting that your being here caused the Armenian Genocide. It is also not true that the perpetrators of that terrible crime were thinking that the consequence of the genocide will be to arrange for unknown nice people to meet some time in the future and have children. Neither is the case.
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Kenneth Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:28:24am |
Obama Flunks History at Cairo U
Almost every advance he attributed to the Muslims in his big speech should be credited to someone else.
I’m glad to see other people noticed the nonsense Obama was spouting in Cairo.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:29am |
re: #245 Kenneth
No offense intended, but in my opinion, that is an example of reversing the laws of cause and effect. You are suggesting that your being here caused the Armenian Genocide. It is also not true that the perpetrators of that terrible crime were thinking that the consequence of the genocide will be to arrange for unknown nice people to meet some time in the future and have children. Neither is the case.
Oh of course not. I agree. I’m just trying to look at it in a way that doesn’t dwell on the past. Many of my fellow Armenians have quite the inferiority complex, I guess due to the event and subsequent denials, etc. My point is always that we should be looking to better ourselves and our country by investing in business, industry, rooting out corruption, and getting out of old mindsets. It’s a shame that we’re not relevant on a world scale at the moment, but the way so many people I know act, we’ll never be. There needs to be a progressive attitude.
Yuck, I feel like Obama with all this “hope and change”, “progress” crap!
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eon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:31:53am |
re: #242 Kenneth
Mark Steyn was even more specific;
Steyn- Obama’s Message of Weakness
In Cairo, The Self-Exalted One threw Israel, and the U.S., under the bus in his never-ending quest for self-aggrandizement through suprematism at home, and national abasement abroad.
Very Carteresque of him, I’m sure.
Steyn refers to The One’s “initiative” as “realpolitik”, ala’ Willy Brandt. I prefer Tom Clancy’s definition of realpolitik- “another word for ‘f**k your buddy’.”
/Guess who will get reamed as a result of this version?
cheers
eon
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:49am |
I really need to get moving this morning….
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:38:39am |
re: #251 DesertSage
I dated a girl once with “man hands”. Was really hard to get past.
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eon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:39:56am |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I really need to get moving this morning….
Same here. In fact, I have an old car show I need to be at in about twenty minutes. (Lucky for me, it’s only four blocks away.)
Have a great day, Lizards.
cheers
eon
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DesertSage Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:40:13am |
re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nat watching, just remembering. :)
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Kenneth Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:40:42am |
re: #250 eon
Steyn’s comments are very accurate. The one I linked to was by a physics professor specifically attacking Obama’s bogus claims of alleged Muslim inventions. If Obama got theses basic historical facts wrong, there’s no telling what he could screw up today. THe speech was typical Obama: pretty nonsense.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:41:18am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:43:35am |
re: #263 Sharmuta
TMI. ;)
{Sharm}
Hope today finds you well.wonder who is on the talk shows this morning…
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:44:14am |
movement, movement. Have this funny feeling that I am forgetting something…
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:45:51am |
re: #264 HoosierHoops
Good morning, {Hoops}. I’m doing well this morning. Took a nice long walk yesterday, and it was good. Thank you for asking.
I hope everything is well on you end too, my friend.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:46:09am |
re: #265 BlueCanuck
movement, movement. Have this funny feeling that I am forgetting something…
Then you probably are.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:46:20am |
re: #259 Kenneth
The one I linked to was by a physics professor […]
Who is a noted supporter of Intelligent Design, being one of the philosophical attack dogs on the entire idea of peer review and backer of the DI.
He may or may not be right about the inventions, but Tipler’s other PJM articles have tended towards trash.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:49:11am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:53:34am |
re: #272 Sharmuta
In the WTF File this morning:
LOL
Look at that woman’s hands! She could palm a basketball…
maybe she has pretty eyes
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Clemente Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:55:52am |
On this date in history…
In 1880, the Chilean and Peruvian armies fought the Battle of Arica; a major event in the War of the Pacific.
The commercially-motivated dispute was originally between Chile and Bolivia, who’d signed a secret alliance with Peru. Arica was Bolivia’s most important port city. Following the battle, Chile controlled all the land up to the Peruvian border. Bolivia has been landlocked ever since.
The chief mineral resource at issue in the war was (among other things) bat guano.
/In case BG’s still here.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:59:46am |
Finally figured out what I was supposed to do. BBIAB patrols call.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:00:08am |
re: #272 Sharmuta
“Single, desperate Gaza female looking for strapping man with taste for homemade trinitrotoluene.”
/not much variety in the ads, I’d imagine
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:08:34am |
“Who is wise? He who learns from every man.” There’s something in this for all of us.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:15:52am |
Pakistanis avenge mosque blast, attack Taliban
“It is something very positive that tribesmen are standing against the militants. It will discourage the miscreants,” Rehman said.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:16:06am |
Anyone here use Google Squared yet? Seems like a possible useful tool.
How about this one?
[Link: www.google.com…]
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right_wing2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:26:06am |
re: #247 Kenneth
No, no. Obama said it, so that means we need to change the history books to reflect that the Islamic world really did all this.
// (I hope those aren’t really needed)
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right_wing2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:31:15am |
re: #280 right_wing2
No, no. Obama said it, so that means we need to change the history books to reflect that the Islamic world really did all this.
// (I hope those aren’t really needed)
We also need to bring in enough Muslims so America really DOES become one of the most populous Muslim nations on earth.
////// (I REALLY hope these aren’t needed)
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:36:12am |
re: #282 TheMatrix31
I was checking Google on Memorial Day to see if they’d commemorated it. Of course, I ended up on Google Philippines…but that ad was on it.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:37:59am |
re: #282 TheMatrix31
Yeah, I know. All this adulation is worse then what was going on with the Kennedy’s. His only claim to fame is being the first black president. So far anything else he’s done hasn’t impressed me at all.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:39:48am |
re: #284 BlueCanuck
Yeah, I know. All this adulation is worse then what was going on with the Kennedy’s. His only claim to fame is being the first black president. So far anything else he’s done hasn’t impressed me at all.
You sound just like my friend.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:40:28am |
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Rustler Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:41:36am |
re: #281 right_wing2 From the interview he stated we are not a cristian muslim or jewish nation but one of Ideals. He later stated however that based on our muslim population we would be one of the largest Muslim nations in the world. I wish people would stop claiming he said something he didn’t.(tho he seems to have vastly overestimated our countries muslim population)
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:48:43am |
re: #276 laZardo
“Single, desperate Gaza female looking for strapping man with taste for homemade trinitrotoluene.”
/not much variety in the ads, I’d imagine
And able to jump through flaming hoops in a single bound.
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Rustler Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:50:18am |
re: #289 MandyManners
Don’t forget the must be able to strap on a suicide vest without premature detonation.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:50:26am |
re: #289 MandyManners
And able to jump through flaming hoops in a single bound.
Oh, wait. That’s a police requirement in the West Bank. I get my Jordyptians confused sometimes.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:52:11am |
Mini-Me and I agree. Fruity Pebbles could be their own food group.
Also, there is some strange glowing thing in the sky today…finally.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:53:53am |
re: #285 Sharmuta
Well, I have seen lots of adulation for political leaders. Some of it gets right scary sometimes. But I am a very cynical experienced person when it comes to politics. I wait until the leader actually gives me something to believe in before I will sing their praises. Needless to say it doesn’t happen often.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:54:19am |
re: #288 rightside
Morning rightside. I am usually sleeping this time of the day.
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Mich-again Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:54:57am |
“We rushed (Datsyuk) back, believe me,” said Babcock,.. “If this was a regular-season game he wouldn’t be playing. But you know, after a while, what do you save him for? There’s only summer. Everyone can get better in the summer.”
The unofficial first day of Summer around here is when we have a Stanley Cup parade. Should be sometime next week!
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:55:14am |
Gaza man looking for single woman..
Child bearing hips a must…Eye slits in Burka no bigger than 1 inch…
Must be willing to do whatever I tell her.. Lack of schooling is a turn on.. Talking and driving is a turn off. Please submit, and I do mean submit..respond to ad number 2121..
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:57:27am |
re: #296 Mich-again
The unofficial first day of Summer around here is when we have a Stanley Cup parade. Should be sometime next week!
Good morning..When the Lakers win..They don’t have a parade..They tend to burn the city down..
/
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:36am |
re: #287 Rustler
As Mark Steyn has pointed out, demographics can win wars without bloodshed. At current rates of procreation, the Muslims will overwhelm Europe in a few decades without a shot being fired.
Obama is saying the same thing about the U.S., although more indirectly. He expects the Muslim population to increase here relative to other populations.
There are some differences between Europe and the U.S. that could alleviate this concern. One is that the U.S. tends to be better at assimilating immigrants than Europe. On the other hand, identity politics drives us more towards European attitudes about race and ethnicity.
Second, religious stereotyping (identity politics) of the sort Obama is doing is very foolish. He really thinks he can address ALL the billion-plus Muslims with the same message, and influence them in the same way? Hubris, thy name is Obama. Islam is as diverse as Christianity. Obama’s thinking about this is astonishingly shallow and immature.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:47am |
re: #296 Mich-again
“Summer’s” technically ending over here. The bad part about isn’t that they’ve found swine flu at the colleges here…it’s that it seems only my college will remain open this week. =_=
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rightside Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:00:09am |
re: #295 BlueCanuck
Well, there you go. Welcome to daylight!
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:02:08am |
re: #297 HoosierHoops
Islam = submission to the will of G-d
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:05:23am |
This is a tough movie review:
Delirious (2005) Steve Buscemi grows jealous of his new friend’s romance with a pop star.. ( Comedy)
It’s not very funny but the pop star girl writes music in only her bra…
Makes it hard to switch movies mid stream..
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Mich-again Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:05:24am |
re: #298 HoosierHoops
Last year at the Parade, Kwame Kilpatrick promised to buy everyone a beer. Still waiting for mine.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:07:59am |
re: #299 quickjustice
Islam is as diverse as Christianity.
Are you stating this or is this what FCBBHO is stating?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:09:00am |
re: #286 John Neverbend
This is quite the best article of VDH that I’ve ever read.
Wow … great piece! VDH and Krauthammer are the best.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:10:34am |
re: #286 John Neverbend
Thanks for sharing. Hanson has a gift. He’s teaching in the classical way, by describing human nature, relating it to a personal experience, and comparing it to what Obama is doing. His method is the Greek paeidaia, which, oversimplified, is role modeling. He teaches by example. He made mistakes. As his student, you can profit from his mistakes, and not repeat them.
The goal of his teaching is to impart arete, loosely translated manliness, valor or moral courage, insight, and wisdom, to his students. This is a word from a warrior culture, but I think the aspect of moral courage, insight and wisdom applies regardless of gender.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:10:34am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:11:04am |
re: #306 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Hows’ it shakin’?
Good morning Irish!
How are you this morning?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:11:16am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:11:19am |
Good morning y’all - from a moderate (65 degrees going up to 85 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:12:21am |
re: #315 realwest
Good morning y’all - from a moderate (65 degrees going up to 85 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Wonderful.. Hope you are well today my friend
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lincolntf Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:12:54am |
Morning all.
Beginning the masochistic portion of my weekend (watching the Sunday morning talking-head shows). What fun.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:13:04am |
re: #290 Rustler
Don’t forget the must be able to strap on a suicide vest without premature detonation.
And, make a rocket out of a few bobby pins.
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Irish Rose Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:14:12am |
re: #313 HoosierHoops
Good morning Irish!
How are you this morning?
Better this morning, my transportation issue has been resolved.
Sweetie and his mum (my future mother-in-law) are giving me a hand, bless them.
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UncleRancher Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:14:14am |
Arthur is 90 years old. He’s played golf every day
since his retirement 25 years ago. One day he
arrives home looking downcast. “That’s it,” he tells
his wife. “I’m giving up golf. My eyesight has gotten
so bad that once I’ve hit the ball, I can’t see where
it went.”
His wife sympathizes and makes him a cup of tea.
As they sit down, she says, “Why don’t you take my
brother with you and give it one more try.”
“That’s no good,” sighs Arthur. “Your brother’s a
hundred and three. He can’t help.”
“He may be a hundred and three,” says the wife,
“but his eyesight is perfect.”
So the next day, Arthur heads off to the golf course
with his brother-in-law. He tees up, takes an almighty
swing, and squints down the fairway. He turns to the
brother-in-law. “Did you see the ball?”
“Of course I did!” replies the brother-in-law. “I have
perfect eyesight ..”
“Where did it go?” asks Arthur.
“I don’t remember.”
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:14:25am |
re: #317 HoosierHoops
“Wonderful” - I am SO glad to hear that my friend!
I’m doing great myself, since last night when I finally figured out how to burn music CD’s! (yawn) excuse me! I haven’t actually gotten a whole lot of sleep since I figured out how easy it is to do that! LOL!
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:16:08am |
Hoops- we’re coming up on your 1 year Lizard Birthday in just a couple days.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:16:25am |
re: #320 Irish Rose
Good morning Irish Rose! So you’re transportation problem has been resolved eh? I’m very glad to hear that!
How are you doing otherwise?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:17:03am |
Morning realwest. We have about the same weather here right now. beautiful April weather I do believe.
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Irish Rose Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:17:36am |
re: #324 realwest
Good morning Irish Rose! So you’re transportation problem has been resolved eh? I’m very glad to hear that!
How are you doing otherwise?
Doing better, I had a lot of rest over the weekend.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:17:39am |
re: #315 realwest
It stopped raining last night…and see my #300 for the rest.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:18:21am |
re: #322 realwest
“Wonderful” - I am SO glad to hear that my friend!
I’m doing great myself, since last night when I finally figured out how to burn music CD’s! (yawn) excuse me! I haven’t actually gotten a whole lot of sleep since I figured out how easy it is to do that! LOL!
LOL that is funny..Walter sent me a meteorite yesterday from Africa…
That dude rocks…
I’m waiting on the Construction workers to arrive to finish the garage.. It’s framed but naked right now…I’ve got a case of beer chilled down for them.
It will be hot today…
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:18:51am |
re: #303 HoosierHoops
This is a tough movie review:
Delirious (2005) Steve Buscemi grows jealous of his new friend’s romance with a pop star.. ( Comedy)
It’s not very funny but the pop star girl writes music in only her bra…
Makes it hard to switch movies mid stream..
Hoosier … I went to a dinner party last night hosted by a couple who are both Indiana University grads. The guy told this joke about Bob Knight, Rick Pitino, and Denny Crum.
The three coaches died in a plane crash and were at the gates of heaven. The almighty asked each coach why he should be admitted and to make the case of why they were so beloved by their people. Denny Crum went first. “Lord, I won 2 national championships for the Louisville Cardinals and the people of Kentucky love me.” The Lord said “take a seat to my left.” Next was Pitino. “Lord, I took the Kentucky Wildcats from probation status to a national championship and the people of Kentucky love me.” The Lord said “take a seat to my left.” The it was Coach Knight’s turn. “I won 3 national championships with the Hoosiers and the people of Indiana say you’re sitting in my chair.”
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:19:39am |
re: #325 BlueCanuck
Morning Blue! Uh, it may be great weather for April, but down here it’s June!
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:19:51am |
re: #323 Sharmuta
Hoops- we’re coming up on your 1 year Lizard Birthday in just a couple days.
I am? wow! I have had just a wonderful year here with all my new lizard friends.. You guys and Gals are just fucking wonderful.
Thank you for having me
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:20:26am |
re: #327 Irish Rose
That’s great news - about your getting some much needed rest and about the car!
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:20:46am |
re: #332 HoosierHoops
HoosierHoops
Registered since: Jun 12, 2008 at 1:20 pm
The profile never lies.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:21:12am |
re: #328 laZardo Uh oh. Swine flu - hope y’all have a mask and what not!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:22:32am |
re: #331 realwest
Exactly. Only had a couple days that were considered late spring weather, now it’s still jacket weather here in the early evenings if not out right sweater weather.
/I want my global warming. :D
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:23:23am |
re: #332 HoosierHoops
I am? wow! I have had just a wonderful year here with all my new lizard friends.. You guys and Gals are just fucking wonderful.
Thank you for having me
Well if you turn troll that can be taken a whole ‘nother way.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:23:57am |
re: #336 BlueCanuck
See Al Gore - I think y’all ought to let him know that, what with him being so concerned about global warming climate change and all!
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:24:33am |
re: #334 Sharmuta
The profile never lies.
12.5k comments…Gawd I talk alot…But lucky for you guys you don’t hang with me at the pub..I don’t shut up..
My mom told me I have never met a stranger….
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Irish Rose Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:24:45am |
I went out to the beach yesterday with sweetie and the dog, and the water temperature is still only 51.
Kids are out of school and out there swimming, though.
Nothing stops ‘em.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:26:04am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:27:18am |
re: #340 Irish Rose
I went out to the beach yesterday with sweetie and the dog, and the water temperature is still only 51.
Kids are out of school and out there swimming, though.
Nothing stops ‘em.
Yep. My boys’ lips could be blue and he’d still tell you he wasn’t cold.
Ummm, you’re shivering, for Gods’ sake
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Irish Rose Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:28:22am |
re: #342 SasquatchOnSteroids
Yep. My boys’ lips could be blue and he’d still tell you he wasn’t cold.
Ummm, you’re shivering, for Gods’ sake
Nothing that a banket and big bag of salty potato chips can’t cure.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:29:08am |
re: #337 BlueCanuck
Well if you turn troll that can be taken a whole ‘nother way.
LOL
A week ago Charles gave me my first upding.. I saved it to my favorites..
Too cool.. Thanks Charles!
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Ojoe Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:30:42am |
Towercam sunrise. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
Happy Sunday morning all.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:32:18am |
re: #345 HoosierHoops
Whoa! Charles gave you an upding? And you ain’t even been here a year yet?
Sonofagun - I’ve been here 5+ years and I’ve never had a upding from Charles! A few hat tips, and an “award” for the best kvetch for not getting a hat tip, but never an upding!
You youngin’s today don’t know how good you’ve got it, I tells ya!
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Irish Rose Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:32:26am |
Cuteness alert: 3 baby bunnies and mom just outside my office window, as we speak.
For the next few minutes, you’re all chopped liver.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:33:55am |
re: #346 Ojoe
Good morning Ojoe - and thank you kindly for that pretty photo from Mt. Wilson!
How are you doing today?
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:35:20am |
re: #335 realwest
Don’t worry, I do. Nobody’s died here yet though…
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:36:17am |
re: #350 laZardo Ah, how many people do y’all have living or moving to and from where you live?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:36:56am |
re: #347 realwest
Whoa! Charles gave you an upding? And you ain’t even been here a year yet?
Sonofagun - I’ve been here 5+ years and I’ve never had a upding from Charles! A few hat tips, and an “award” for the best kvetch for not getting a hat tip, but never an upding!
You youngin’s today don’t know how good you’ve got it, I tells ya!
For you karma whores :)
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:38:22am |
Remember that story about the GE/NBC/Fox producer/shareholder meeting flap? Apparently that really ticked off some people.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:38:37am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Today there’s a bit of sunshine shining through the clouds - yesterday was dreadful!
There was heavy flooding just a few miles up from whre I live:
Homes evacuated in estate flood - and my patio was a couple of inches under water, the drains couldn’t cope with the downpour. Some even invaded my kitchen! (Well, nothing a bit of mopping up couldn’t cope with …).
Madame didn’t like it t all!
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:38:54am |
re: #352 _RememberTonyC
Hey, who y’all calling a Karma whore?! There’s somethings I won’t do to increase my Karma (which is evident, given how relatively low my Karma score is out here)!
Now g’wan back to telling your semi-funny old jokes!
:)
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:40:58am |
re: #355 realwest
Hey, who y’all calling a Karma whore?! There’s somethings I won’t do to increase my Karma (which is evident, given how relatively low my Karma score is out here)!
Now g’wan back to telling your semi-funny old jokes!
:)
I just made a donation to your account … sort of like a “mercy ding!”
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:41:40am |
re: #355 realwest
So gramps, tell us again what it was like in the olden days. ;)
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:41:52am |
re: #351 realwest
Manila in general is the country’s biggest passenger transport hub, and lots of OFWs (overseas Filipino workers), students, etc. coming in and out on a daily basis. They’re trying to keep tabs as closely as possible…
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:43:37am |
re: #354 yma o hyd
Hi there {yma} sure sorry to hear about that flooding, but glad all is ok with you and Madame. But you know y’all ought to give it up and learn to speak English (from your link):
Fifteen people were looked after in a community centre at Rhydfelin, near Pontypridd, after three culverts were overwhelmed following torrential rain.One councillor estimated that between 30 and 40 homes were flooded.
South Wales Fire and Rescue were also called to flooding incidents in Caerphilly, Pontypridd and Roath, Rhiwbina and Whitchurch in Cardiff.
[emphasis realwest]
I mean I almost broke my jaw reading that story! Thank God for Whitchurch! LOL!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:43:56am |
re: #357 BlueCanuck
So gramps, tell us again what it was like in the olden days. ;)
LOL … 5 miles to school … over broken glass …. uphill BOTH ways … barefoot, etc etc :)
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:45:54am |
re: #354 yma o hyd
{YMA} Hope today finds you well…It’s hot here..Bring the doggie over and go swimming today….Winston doesn’t like the little sunglasses I bought him…
He needs to learn how to be a cool dog..:)
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:46:54am |
Good morning.
Very important doings going on in court these days.
Chrysler Creditors Ask U.S. Justice to Stop Fiat Sale
Chrysler LLC creditors asked a U.S. Supreme Court justice to block the carmaker from selling its assets as early as tomorrow to a group led by Italy’s Fiat SpA.Indiana pension funds that lent Chrysler money said in papers filed late yesterday that they will seek a Supreme Court review of a ruling allowing the sale. The funds asked Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg for an order blocking the transfer until the high court decides whether to hear the funds’ appeal.
“Absent a stay, the sale will close on Monday, June 8, 2009,” the funds said in their court papers, filed in Washington. They said they would suffer “irreparable harm” should the sale go forward.
A federal appeals court in Manhattan on June 5 upheld a bankruptcy judge’s ruling letting the sale proceed, while ordering the decision put on hold until 4 p.m. tomorrow to let the creditors appeal to the Supreme Court. If the justices deny a stay sooner than that, Chrysler can complete the sale immediately.
Ginsburg, who handles emergency matters from the New York- based court, can either act on her own or refer the matter to the full nine-member court. The votes of at least four of the nine justices are required for the Supreme Court to consider the appeal.
The Indiana funds, holding $42.5 million of $6.9 billion in Chrysler secured loans, contend the Fiat deal is a misuse of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which they say was intended for financial institutions, not carmakers.
The reason why this is so important, is that the Indiana Pension fund holds a lot of GM bonds (primary, secured debt) and id not agree to allow their claim to be subordinated. If this sale is completed and allowed to stand, it will throw the bond market into chaos, cause a large motivation for buying bonds will have been eliminated by the courts. Part of what the Indiana Pension system bought when they bought these bonds was a guarantee of being a primary creditor.
If this sale is allowed to stand, I would not be surprised of pension funds across the land start dumping bonds due to this change in their status.
That is not a good thing.
It will be much harder in the future for bonds be floated in the market.
The War on Capital continues.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:47:06am |
realwest … is this better?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:47:31am |
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:47:44am |
re: #355 realwest
Hey, who y’all calling a Karma whore?! There’s somethings I won’t do to increase my Karma (which is evident, given how relatively low my Karma score is out here)!
I updinged you for that :)
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:48:55am |
re: #357 BlueCanuck
Well sonny boy, it was sure a lot different in those days. Hell we could SHOOT fools that pissed us off back then.
Now all we can do is bitch and moan about ‘em.
Sure do miss those old days.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:49:17am |
re: #353 Lincolntf
From other posts I’ve seen, GE, its NBC affiliates, and other affiliates, have decided to become some of Obama’s crony capitalists by diving into the tank for him. They expect to profit from it.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:50:14am |
re: #358 laZardo
Keep tabs? What is that? Ya mean screen passengers for swine flu or what? And again, how many folks live and/or pass through Manilla every year?
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:50:28am |
re: #362 3 wood
Judging from recent happenings though, the bond market wasn’t exactly something worth investing in…
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:51:01am |
re: #359 realwest
Hi there {yma} sure sorry to hear about that flooding, but glad all is ok with you and Madame. But you know y’all ought to give it up and learn to speak English (from your link):
[emphasis realwest]
I mean I almost broke my jaw reading that story! Thank God for Whitchurch! LOL!
Oh no we won’t! :-)
You’ve missed out on this one: Rhydfelin …
Here are two cartoons (well, its Sunday!) from today’s Sunday TIMES, about the political situation in the UK:
This one is very blunt!
and this one is rather sweet …
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:51:56am |
re: #368 realwest
Millions, possibly. We’ve had to open up a new terminal at the airport last year because it was cramped as all hell at the old ones. They screen incoming passengers at the arrivals area with special cameras.
The reason colleges are a concern is because over here, June is when the educational institutions resume classes.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:52:42am |
re: #363 _RememberTonyC
I’m warning ya sonny boy - you’re trying my, uh, em, waitaminute I know this word………PATIENCE! That’s it, y’all are trying my patience!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:53:09am |
re: #353 Lincolntf
Remember that story about the GE/NBC/Fox producer/shareholder meeting flap? Apparently that really ticked off some people.
G.E.: we bring nothing to light!
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:54:12am |
re: #362 3 wood
Thank you- I was wondering about it when I saw it earlier, and I didn’t know what it meant. You’re such a help on these financial stories- thanks.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:54:30am |
re: #367 quickjustice
That seems to be the tenor of many reader posts at the link.
Were living in a country where it’s not only legal, it’s actually required that the President dole out billions of dollars to media companies (in the form of stimulus/restructuring/”greening” money, etc.) based on the recipients willingness to support/implement Administration policies. Strange times indeed.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:54:39am |
re: #365 3 wood
Good morning my friend! Funny, I don’t see your nic next to my updings! LOL!
How are you doing today?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:54:50am |
I feel like I’m in a scene from Gran Torino and you’re Clint Eastwood. But unlike Clint’s adversaries in the movie, I can take a hint.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:54:56am |
re: #361 HoosierHoops
{YMA} Hope today finds you well…It’s hot here..Bring the doggie over and go swimming today….Winston doesn’t like the little sunglasses I bought him…
He needs to learn how to be a cool dog..:)
Aww … perhaps Winston would prefer goggles?
Madame, funnily enough, isn’t that keen on swimming. She loves lying down in muddy puddles - and she does splash around in the river, but swimming, that was Big Dog’s thing! Any water, be it rivers, lakes, ponds, muddy ditches - he was in it, and didn’t come out before he was truly exhausted. He didn’t like the waves in the sea - but one summer day, with the sea flat as a millpond, he was nearly across to Ireland!
He soo loved it …
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:56:46am |
re: #369 laZardo
Judging from recent happenings though, the bond market wasn’t exactly something worth investing in…
The issue is, is a contract a contract or not?
The pension funds bought the protection of being a primary creditor and it is being ignored by the court so far.
This will cause huge losses to the value of pension fund assets across the land, maybe even yours.
Up till now many pension funds (which I used to manage so I know a bit about this) , were required by policy if not statute to have 60% to 65% of their holdings in fixed income (including bonds) for security and stability.
If this sale goes through and bonds are undercut, what do you do now?
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Ojoe Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:56:56am |
re: #349 realwest
Doing OK. Praying for work. Hope you are doing OK. Happy Sunday.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:57:05am |
re: #375 Lincolntf
I suspect it’s always been a tradition though. Big business as a whole is more opportunistic than partisan, it all depends on which sectors you’re looking at. Weapons manufacturers and private military contractors could definitely count on G.W (and G.H.W?) to supply their needs, for example.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:57:07am |
re: #362 3 wood
Uh
If this sale is allowed to stand, I would not be surprised of pension funds across the land start dumping bonds due to this change in their status.That is not a good thing.
It will be much harder in the future for bonds be floated in the market.
holy shit.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:58:18am |
Crazy Pam rejoices in the Eurofascist victories in Europe….
Nationalism is good.Nationalism isn’t bad. American nationalism wasn’t bad, has never been bad. British nationalism hasn’t been bad. French nationalism isn’t bad. Polish nationalism isn’t bed. Czech nationalism wasn’t bad.
The thing that was bad was that Germany which decided to embrace madness and evil as its central unifying characteristic under the Nazis. That is what the problem was, it was not nationalism per se. And it’s still not nationalism.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:59:20am |
re: #362 3 wood
Good morning.
Very important doings going on in court these days.
Chrysler Creditors Ask U.S. Justice to Stop Fiat Sale
The reason why this is so important, is that the Indiana Pension fund holds a lot of GM bonds (primary, secured debt) and id not agree to allow their claim to be subordinated. If this sale is completed and allowed to stand, it will throw the bond market into chaos, cause a large motivation for buying bonds will have been eliminated by the courts. Part of what the Indiana Pension system bought when they bought these bonds was a guarantee of being a primary creditor.
If this sale is allowed to stand, I would not be surprised of pension funds across the land start dumping bonds due to this change in their status.
That is not a good thing.
It will be much harder in the future for bonds be floated in the market.
The War on Capital continues.
The war will continue, since this is Ginsburg we’re talking about. She’ll only think about the “harm to the workers” if the sale is blocked. The long term damage will not occur to her, fool that she is.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:59:44am |
Did any of you sports-mad Lizards happen to watch this game yesterday:
Wales ran home six tries as they ended their tour of North America with a comfortable win against the United States in Chicago.
If so - what did you think?
I personally found it very frustrating to watch - too many errors from our side, and too slow, not played with the high intensity we’re used to.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:00:09am |
re: #381 Ojoe
Happy Sunday to you too my friend, I surely do hope that you find some great work soon!
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:01:14am |
re: #386 laZardo
Sell the bonds to whom? If the contract isn’t really a contract, who the hell would want the bonds?
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:01:22am |
re: #311 quickjustice
The goal of his teaching is to impart arete, loosely translated manliness, valor or moral courage, insight, and wisdom, to his students. This is a word from a warrior culture, but I think the aspect of moral courage, insight and wisdom applies regardless of gender.
This is why I think Latin and even Greek should continue to be taught in schools. I know that some schools still teach the former, but the latter is less common. It’s not something that everybody can do well, and Winston Churchill understood this when he said, “I would make them all learn English; and then I would let the clever ones learn Latin as an honor, and Greek as a treat.”
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Lincolntf Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:01:43am |
re: #382 laZardo
A difference is that we’re dealing with media companies. Military contracts are often twenty or thirty years long and span multiple Congresses and Presidents. Conservatives tend to spend more on defense, so yes, they’ll probably start more programs over the long run. But, with defense contracts we end up with a defense capability. With the money (eventually) being doled out to NBC/GE, the only benefit that will be accrued is to Obama, personally.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:02:57am |
re: #362 3 wood
As a bankruptcy lawyer, I understand the implications of Obama’s coercing automobile bondholders into accepting subordination of their legal positions in bankruptcy, which are grave. In short, it means Obama is taking money from those bondholders to re-distribute to his labor unions allies.
Obama is doing this intentionally. Whether the wider consequences of his actions, destruction of the capital markets, are unintended, remains to be seen. The viability of those markets depends upon contractual obligations being honored, and the U.S. government supplying a court system that enforces such obligations. If the U.S. Justice Department and the courts refuse to intervene to protect bondholders, we’ll have our answer.
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:03:13am |
re: #383 realwest
UhIf this sale is allowed to stand, I would not be surprised of pension funds across the land start dumping bonds due to this change in their status.
That is not a good thing.It will be much harder in the future for bonds be floated in the market.
holy shit.
Exactly.
Just ponder for a minute what will happen to the market value of bonds if the rights of bondholder are undercut by the courts.
For those who think it might not impact them, if you have any money in a pension fund or mutual fund, you own bonds.
Also, the pension benefits of your state and municipal employees are most likely guarantees by state statute. So, if their pension funds get ruined by this ruling, guess who gets to make up the difference? You do, as a taxpayer.
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:03:50am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:03:52am |
re: #388 yma o hyd
Did any of you sports-mad Lizards happen to watch this game yesterday:
Wales ran home six tries as they ended their tour of North America with a comfortable win against the United States in Chicago.If so - what did you think?
I personally found it very frustrating to watch - too many errors from our side, and too slow, not played with the high intensity we’re used to.
I looked everywhere for that game since it was only a few hours away..Nada..
You would thing with so many ESPN Channels I could get the game..
But i agree with your assessment..energy is everything in sports..
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:04:29am |
The great Ralph Peters is not quite at the VDH or Krauthammer level, but he is damn close. Check this out:
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:04:47am |
re: #393 quickjustice
As a bankruptcy lawyer, I understand the implications of Obama’s coercing automobile bondholders into accepting subordination of their legal positions in bankruptcy, which are grave. In short, it means Obama is taking money from those bondholders to re-distribute to his labor unions allies.Obama is doing this intentionally. Whether the wider consequences of his actions, destruction of the capital markets, are unintended, remains to be seen. The viability of those markets depends upon contractual obligations being honored, and the U.S. government supplying a court system that enforces such obligations. If the U.S. Justice Department and the courts refuse to intervene to protect bondholders, we’ll have our answer.
What he said.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:05:30am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam rejoices in the Eurofascist victories in Europe….
Memo to Pam:
Ethnic Nationalism is not a good thing. You’re supporting people who support mass deportations and mass murder. The blood of anyone they murder is on your hands, Pam.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:05:31am |
re: #393 quickjustice
As a bankruptcy lawyer, I understand the implications of Obama’s coercing automobile bondholders into accepting subordination of their legal positions in bankruptcy, which are grave.
I have a close relative who is a bankruptcy lawyer. When I asked him what he thought of Obama’s actions, he said that they were unconscionable.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:05:38am |
re: #394 3 wood
Uh, when you get a chance my friend, please check your e-mail!
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3 wood Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:06:11am |
Got to drive to Chicago for a family get together.
It’s raining out…..
Isn’t that special.
Later.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:07:04am |
re: #391 John Neverbend
Churchill, B/T/W, was utterly unable to master Latin or Greek. English, he could handle.
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Ojoe Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:07:24am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:07:44am |
re: #393 quickjustice
As a bankruptcy lawyer, I understand the implications of Obama’s coercing automobile bondholders into accepting subordination of their legal positions in bankruptcy, which are grave. In short, it means Obama is taking money from those bondholders to re-distribute to his labor unions allies.
Obama is doing this intentionally. Whether the wider consequences of his actions, destruction of the capital markets, are unintended, remains to be seen. The viability of those markets depends upon contractual obligations being honored, and the U.S. government supplying a court system that enforces such obligations. If the U.S. Justice Department and the courts refuse to intervene to protect bondholders, we’ll have our answer.
…..or perhaps there’s a legal reason the courts are upholding the decision.
/Occam’s razor
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:09:05am |
re: #393 quickjustice
Quick question for you: How did Obama FORCE the bondholders to take less than what they were contractually owed? If this actually should happend - without SCOTUS intervention - isn’t it the effin’ bankruptcy judge who allowed the destruction of the contracts?
I mean, what about bonds in areas where the Fed hasn’t reached yet?
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:09:59am |
re: #403 quickjustice
Churchill, B/T/W, was utterly unable to master Latin or Greek. English, he could handle.
I know he had difficulties. For example, when he was taught the declension of mensa, he asked about the vocative case why would anybody ever be addressing a table. Nevertheless, he understood the value of reading the classics in their original language. I had a fairly standard education in Latin. At the time, I found it to be rather boring, but it did get under my skin and in later years I felt motivated to refresh my knowledge.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:10:27am |
re: #392 Lincolntf
For the time being, though I’m not one to see into the future. That said, I think that rather than just money, these media companies are also competing for ratings. Covering the President, popular or otherwise, proved a highly lucrative market for the companies especially since 9/11…
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Irish Rose Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:11:28am |
Wow, I just went offline with a friend of mine from Galway that I haven’t spoken to in quite a while… that was a nice diversion.
Baby bunnies and old friends, my day is looking pretty good so far.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:14:16am |
re: #396 HoosierHoops
I looked everywhere for that game since it was only a few hours away..Nada..
You would thing with so many ESPN Channels I could get the game..
But i agree with your assessment..energy is everything in sports..
Aww - thats dreadful!
After all, it wasn’t just anybody our lads played, it was your national squad!
Beats me why the TV moguls couldn’t give that game airtime.
At least, our youngsters, all about 20 years old, did really well on this tour. I saw them last year, at the U20 world championships here in wales, and the ones which stuck out for me are now all in the top national team. One is even now touring with the creme of the British rugby players, the British Lions, in South Africa!
Yeah, I’m well chuffed for them.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:15:23am |
re: #405 Killgore Trout
…..or perhaps there’s a legal reason the courts are upholding the decision.
/Occam’s razor
No, there really isn’t. They’re stampeding to get the deal done. They’re convinced that protecting union jobs is the correct priority.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:16:11am |
re: #394 3 wood
It’s worse than you say. Under the U.S. Constitution’s contract clause, states are forbidden from impairing the obligation of contracts. That means that once they’ve made a pension deal with their public employees, they can’t reduce the amount of that obligation by legislation. They’re stuck with it.
Only through bankruptcy, which is in Art. 1, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, can anyone impair the obligation of contracts. That’s why Obama’s use of bankruptcy is pernicious. It gives him some legal cover, while tearing the bankruptcy system apart through unprecedented intervention in the economy by the U.S. government never contemplated by the Founders.
The U.S. Constitution is being damaged before our eyes. Only elites understand this right now. It will take time for the implications to filter down to the broader populace.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:16:54am |
re: #411 Dark_Falcon
Well then it looks like all 3 branches of government have turned against us. Maybe the Tea Parties will help.
/
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:19:00am |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
Well then it looks like all 3 branches of government have turned against us. Maybe the Tea Parties will help.
/
Kilgore, that’s low. I’ve come around to your side on the Tea Parties and I’ve never been a conspiracy theory peddler. Give me a little credit.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:19:04am |
re: #405 Killgore Trout
Be interesting to see what the bankruptcy court is really doing. Contract law provides a SENIOR CREDITOR protection to all who own Bonds in a certain industry or industries.
What it would appear is that the contractual obligations under which people who purchased bonds operated has been or MAY BE negated. After, of course, they purchased the bonds.
So I buy $100 of bonds in your company; you go belly up and instead of selling your assets and paying me off my $100, this bankruptcy court is saying, nah, realwest you get 10 cents back on your $100 dollars. It’s in fact a breach of long, LONG standing contract AND bankruptcy law. And the next time you need an infusion of money, don’t even think about offering bonds to get it; if you’re lucky Obama will arrange to “loan you” the money, but won’t allow you to pay it back unless you’ve passed some test which was not a requirement when Obama loaned you the money in the first place.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:19:22am |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
Well then it looks like all 3 branches of government have turned against us. Maybe the Tea Parties will help.
/
Might as well try. At this point they couldn’t HURT!
//(stand back, KT’s heads about to ‘splode)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:20:43am |
For those who can read legalese…..
Bankruptcy Court Ruling on Chrysler
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:21:18am |
re: #410 yma o hyd
Aww - thats dreadful!
After all, it wasn’t just anybody our lads played, it was your national squad!
Beats me why the TV moguls couldn’t give that game airtime.At least, our youngsters, all about 20 years old, did really well on this tour. I saw them last year, at the U20 world championships here in wales, and the ones which stuck out for me are now all in the top national team. One is even now touring with the creme of the British rugby players, the British Lions, in South Africa!
Yeah, I’m well chuffed for them.
I’ve spent 5 minutes trying to understand what that means….chuffed?
:)
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:22:24am |
re: #412 quickjustice
It will take time for the implications to filter down to the broader populace.
This sentence caught my eye. Yes, it will take time to filter down to the broader populace - but this time will be shorter than you think, and the effect for PB0 will be devastating.
Gordon Brown, in one of his first acts as Chancellor of the Exchequer, ‘raised’ the pension funds to the tune of 5 billion ££ p.a., charging them the full tax on dividends.
Result - private pensions are in a really bad state, even huge corporations have closed their funds to new employees because they ahve become unaffordable - pay-outs are very low, and this is one of the maun grievance which comes up every time people speak about the horrible state of our finances here in the UK.
So - people in the USA will notice pretty soon, and will not forgive.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:22:33am |
re: #406 realwest
Great question. In general, new money invested in a bankrupt business after bankruptcy is filed can prime, or jump in ahead, of older investments. That’s only if the bankruptcy judge permits it. It’s called “superpriority lending”.
It’s commonplace in a bankruptcy setting, with the superpriority lender being a private bank. What’s not commonplace is for the U.S. government to assume that role, and knock out older investors using this power. No one contemplated that this would happen when the statute was enacted.
Obviously, a misguided U.S. government has the financial power, in theory, to wipe out all secured creditors using this power. Abuse of that power undermines faith in contracts, and in the capital markets. Would YOU invest your hard-earned money in a “secured” bond the U.S. government could undermine with a superpriority purchased with TARP money?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:22:43am |
re: #417 Killgore Trout
For those who can read legalese…..
Bankruptcy Court Ruling on Chrysler
I have enough trouble reading English!
REALWEST ,, why can’t (won’t) lawyers put things terms the people it affects understand?
rhetorical question, I know
ANSWER
So those people will have to hire OTHER lawyers to ‘splain it to them!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:23:44am |
re: #415 realwest
I linked to the ruling on #417. I have no idea what it means but I’m content to let the courts do their thing. If the supremes throw out the ruling that’s fine by me too. We have laws and we have process, I don’t see anything that indicates the courts are doing anything improper.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:23:54am |
re: #418 HoosierHoops
I’ve spent 5 minutes trying to understand what that means….chuffed?
:)
Aww … it means ‘extremely pleased’, here in the UK.
(Not amongst the gentry, mind - just amongst us lowly peasants …)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:25:37am |
re: #420 quickjustice
Great question. In general, new money invested in a bankrupt business after bankruptcy is filed can prime, or jump in ahead, of older investments. That’s only if the bankruptcy judge permits it. It’s called “superpriority lending”.
It’s commonplace in a bankruptcy setting, with the superpriority lender being a private bank. What’s not commonplace is for the U.S. government to assume that role, and knock out older investors using this power. No one contemplated that this would happen when the statute was enacted.
Obviously, a misguided U.S. government has the financial power, in theory, to wipe out all secured creditors using this power. Abuse of that power undermines faith in contracts, and in the capital markets. Would YOU invest your hard-earned money in a “secured” bond the U.S. government could undermine with a superpriority purchased with TARP money?
No, I wouldn’t. Obama is in for a shock after this filters out to the world. He may find he can’t even borrow the money he wants to spend because the world won’t buy his bonds as much any more, since he’s made contract law mean so little.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:25:49am |
re: #420 quickjustice
I always thought bankruptcy was usually the end of a company, that is the assets are divided off, everyone’s laid off and the people associated have a 7-10-ish year black mark on their credit ratings.
/again, economics not my strongpoint
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:26:32am |
re: #415 realwest
Be interesting to see what the bankruptcy court is really doing. Contract law provides a SENIOR CREDITOR protection to all who own Bonds in a certain industry or industries.
It really is unprecedented. The point is that senior (unsecured or secured) creditors make a conscious decision to take a lower return on their investment, knowing that in a bankruptcy they will rank ahead of equity and subordinated debt holders. That’s the meaning of “senior”. Suddenly to turn round and say “senior is now subordinated” is quite frankly complete bollocks and sets a very dangerous precedent.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:26:57am |
re: #421 sattv4u2
What part of….
“Section 363(b) of the Bankruptcy Code provides, in relevant part, that after notice and ahearing, a trustee or debtor-in-possession
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“may use, sell, or lease, other than in the ordinarycourse of business, property of the estate.” 11 U.S.C. § 363(b). In
Comm. of Equity Sec. Holdersv. Lionel Corp. (In re Lionel Corp.)
, 722 F.2d 1063, 1066 (2d Cir. 1983), the Second Circuit was
called upon to determine whether, pursuant to § 363(b) of the Bankruptcy Code, a major asset ofa bankruptcy estate could be sold “out of the ordinary course of business and prior to acceptanceand outside of any plan of reorganization”
Don’t you understand?
/
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:28:48am |
re: #426 laZardo
I always thought bankruptcy was usually the end of a company, that is the assets are divided off, everyone’s laid off and the people associated have a 7-10-ish year black mark on their credit ratings.
/again, economics not my strongpoint
There are different forms of bankruptcy (i.e. Chapter 11 as oppoed to Chapter 7, et al)
Also , the 7-10 ish years of “black mark” is when you file PERSONAL bankruptcy (the standard is 7, but depending on what you’re able to do following the bankruptcy you can start repiaring your credit in as little as 3-4 years ,,,,,,, {voice of experience, btw}
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:28:50am |
re: #427 John Neverbend
It really is unprecedented.
They cite legal precedents in the ruling. See #417 page 12
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:29:19am |
re: #362 3 wood
Good morning.
Very important doings going on in court these days.
Chrysler Creditors Ask U.S. Justice to Stop Fiat Sale
The reason why this is so important, is that the Indiana Pension fund holds a lot of GM bonds (primary, secured debt) and id not agree to allow their claim to be subordinated. If this sale is completed and allowed to stand, it will throw the bond market into chaos, cause a large motivation for buying bonds will have been eliminated by the courts. Part of what the Indiana Pension system bought when they bought these bonds was a guarantee of being a primary creditor.If this sale is allowed to stand, I would not be surprised of pension funds across the land start dumping bonds due to this change in their status.
That is not a good thing.
It will be much harder in the future for bonds be floated in the market.
The War on Capital continues.
Oh, dear me. We be screwed.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:30:46am |
re: #428 Killgore Trout
What part of….
Don’t you understand?
/
Only the part between the words “Section” and “reorganization”
I can actually give you the definition of those
The rest, not so much !
//
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Born Again Republican Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:31:08am |
Those with older nano Ipods, take care. Last night I woke to my ipod and hair on fire. I fall asleep listening to a book on my ipod. The problem I guess is that lithium-ion batteries degrade over a few years. Cell phones and lap tops have been known to catch fire too.
Not sure how you can prevent this from happening to you. My Ipod has been having problems playing lately and that may have been a signal but certainly didn’t expect a fire.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:32:12am |
re: #433 sattv4u2
Ugh, my head hurts now. It’s way too early to try to read that.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:32:12am |
re: #434 Born Again Republican
Those with older nano Ipods, take care. Last night I woke to my ipod and hair on fire. I fall asleep listening to a book on my ipod. The problem I guess is that lithium-ion batteries degrade over a few years. Cell phones and lap tops have been known to catch fire too.
Not sure how you can prevent this from happening to you. My Ipod has been having problems playing lately and that may have been a signal but certainly didn’t expect a fire.
Are you okay?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:33:43am |
re: #435 Killgore Trout
Ugh, my head hurts now. It’s way too early to try to read that.
Why do you think they write it that way? (see 421 for the answer)
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Born Again Republican Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:34:15am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:37:44am |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
Well ignorance of the law - or feigned ignorance of the law is no defense Killgore. You’re business, to the extent you NEED to raise money to stay in business or - in the good old days of early 2007, to increase your business NO LONGER CAN BE SATISFIED except through your increasing your profit.
Bank loans are usually secured.
Bondholders are lenders who’s position as bond (not stock) holders are or were secured via contract as well.
Now, thanks to Obama and the Dems, loans - secured or otherwise are whatever the government says they are……..AFTER the money has been loaned.
Not the kind of environment that would encourage people to LOAN money to businesses.
Not to mention what’s going to happen to the retirees who were depending on their previously contracted for income stream, only to find out that Obama has decided that the UAW is more important than retirees who have loaned money to a company under certain contractual obligations that secured their repayment.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:38:32am |
Btw - now that everything has been counted and re-counted in the local elections here in the UK, I’m sure you’ll be glad to hear that the Brits have not turned fascist.
Out of over 2000 council seats, the BNP won three …
Oh - and Labour lost … big time!
The Tories on the other hand took council seats and the control of full councils from Labour, even in their heartland, from the LibDems, and from those ruled by coalitions.
EU results tomorrow.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:39:43am |
re: #431 Killgore Trout
They cite legal precedents in the ruling. See #417 page 12
I’ve been reading through various articles and I don’t know if the subordination is actually real, as I still can’t identify how the sale proceeds from the asset disposals would ultimately be distributed. I’m assuming from the earlier postings that there was some reason to believe that equity, subordinated debt holders and senior debt holders would be paid off at the same time, thereby removing the idea of senior or subordinated, but I can’t find this in the various rulings.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:40:31am |
Europe leans right as voters choose EU Parliament
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
I mentioned this a couple of days ago. Good news in general, but the small dark cloud around that silver lining is a small but symbolically important gain for far-right groups and other fringe parties. We probably won’t know till tomorrow or Tuesday how many seats something like the BNP gets, but it’s predicted to be small
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:40:45am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:41:47am |
re: #432 MandyManners
“We be screwed.”
Not as badly as all those retirees who LOANED money, on a SECURED basis, to Chrysler and now will not be getting either the interest thereon or the capital which they loaned to Chrysler.
If SCOTUS upholds this ruling (and I don’t think even Ginsburg would try to play this one single handed) then I suspect no one will be buying US Treasury Bonds either.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:42:02am |
re: #440 yma o hyd
Btw - now that everything has been counted and re-counted in the local elections here in the UK, I’m sure you’ll be glad to hear that the Brits have not turned fascist.
Out of over 2000 council seats, the BNP won three …Oh - and Labour lost … big time!
The Tories on the other hand took council seats and the control of full councils from Labour, even in their heartland, from the LibDems, and from those ruled by coalitions.EU results tomorrow.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
This is the best international news in a while.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:43:11am |
re: #447 MandyManners
This is the best international news in a while.
Not really
IHOP has new pancake meal deals!
//
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:43:34am |
re: #446 realwest
“We be screwed.”
Not as badly as all those retirees who LOANED money, on a SECURED basis, to Chrysler and now will not be getting either the interest thereon or the capital which they loaned to Chrysler.
If SCOTUS upholds this ruling (and I don’t think even Ginsburg would try to play this one single handed) then I suspect no one will be buying US Treasury Bonds either.
I meant “we” as in “we the people”.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:43:46am |
re: #445 MandyManners
More Banana Republic than Third World.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:44:10am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:45:04am |
re: #450 realwest
More Banana Republic than Third World.
Isn’t the former in the latter? Or, have they climbed upward?
Either way, this is entirely too much power in one man’s hands.
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jcbunga Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:45:06am |
It’s D-Day +1 but I can’t resist. Here’s what a President with class, faith and dignity can do. No apologies to the enemy and no teleprompters.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:45:17am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:45:38am |
Time for The List:
Lizard Prayer List 6/07/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope
Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap’n Doc for starting this.
Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice
Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke; D-i-L’s stepdad – throat cancer; and
son of a good friend-50 yrs old- having 1/3 of face removed and reconstructed next week-cancer.
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Irish Rose – Son doing ok and out of danger from illness; automobile problems resolved.
[cont’d]
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:45:58am |
re: #417 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the link. I can read legalese. It’s an opinion in the Chrysler bankruptcy under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, which defines the circumstances under which a bankruptcy court can approve the sale of the assets of a debtor corporation.
Before your eyes glaze over, the key points are as follows:
1. The opinion is highly unusual in reciting the U.S. government’s involvement in Chrysler with its infusion of TARP money. That’s where it’s truly “Twilight Zone” stuff.
2. The court essentially buys in to the Debtor’s (Chrysler’s) argument that creditors are better off with the sale to Fiat than they would be in a liquidation of the company.
3. Rather than using my “superpriority” legal mechanism, the court simply says that the TARP infusion of taxpayer capital increased the value of Chrysler, and that all creditors, including secured bondholders, are better off because of it.
4. For that reason, the court says, it’s OK for the new, reorganized Chrysler, worth billions, to give extra money to the UAW and its benefit plans. Without the TARP money, Chrysler would only be worth $800 million to its creditors.
In short, the TARP infusion of taxpayer money gives the U.S. government control of the bankruptcy case by increasing the value of Chrysler. Old investors can’t complain about that, because they benefit from it.
My read: It’s breathtaking and chilling to watch the U.S. government become “Big Brother” in a bankruptcy case as against all the little peon creditors, seizing control of a major industrial company by lending to it. The U.S. government knows better than the rest of the creditors.
I predict the “reorganized” Chrysler will tank six months after the next presidential election, when the U.S. government stops propping it up.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:46:04am |
re: #440 yma o hyd
Btw - now that everything has been counted and re-counted in the local elections here in the UK, I’m sure you’ll be glad to hear that the Brits have not turned fascist.
A work colleague who lived in London for some years asked me why I wouldn’t vote for the BNP. His argument for that heap of ordure was that “they’re against immigration”. I pointed out at length their rather unpleasant history and that in any case, being anti-immigration in Britain is truly closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:46:09am |
re: #439 realwest
How exactly are people no longer working with a company more important than people currently working with the company?
/brain not up to legalese
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:47:07am |
Part 2 of 3:
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin’s hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
Doppelganglander: son
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend’s son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf’s 89 year old grandmother (suffered a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter “M” serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
[cont’d]
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:47:32am |
Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq.
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: two Lizard friends dealing with big issues
Army Green since ‘92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan; friends deploying there next week.
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who’s a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer’s)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer’s and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife suffered horrible head injuries
Lizards with family issues
Irish Rose: Lost job
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Dianna: - mother- best possible outcome is hoped for.
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin’: comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general
In Memoriam
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
Obi Wan
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:48:08am |
Hey y’all - if there are any corrections or additions to be made to The List, kindly e-mail me with same.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:48:29am |
re: #458 laZardo
How exactly are people no longer working with a company more important than people currently working with the company?
/brain not up to legalese
You’re right. Next time I regret not having been a lawyer, I’ll read the Chrysler case.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:49:40am |
re: #458 laZardo
How exactly are people no longer working with a company more important than people currently working with the company?
/brain not up to legalese
Because those people (through their bonds) have been enabling the ones that still work there the cash infusion to continue getting paid
You own a house, but not really. The bank gave you the money to stay in that house as long as every month you gave some of that money back
You stop being able to give the money back, YOU don’t decide if you can stay in the house, the BANK does, as they are the 1st “secured” creditor
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:51:08am |
re: #456 quickjustice
Are you interpreting the bankruptcy court’s ruling as saying that bondholder’s claims have NOT been wiped out, since the TARP money (and no, I don’t get that either, even though I’ve been a lawyer for over 35 years) increased the value of Chrysler? That the bondholders will still be entitled to receive their interest income from the bonds?
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:51:27am |
re: #426 laZardo
Several different types of U.S. bankruptcy. Chapter 7 is liquidation, i.e. shutdown and liquidation (fire sale) of all assets. Chapter 11 bankruptcy is corporate reorganization, an attempt to reorganize the debtor so that it can emerge from bankruptcy slimmed down to a viable business entity.
80% of Chapter 11 bankruptcies fail, and are converted to Chapter 7. That’s because the business model no longer works. The Chapter 11 cases that succeed are those where the company has good cash flow and a viable business model that can succeed if the other problems are solved.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:53:11am |
re: #456 quickjustice
I predict the “reorganized” Chrysler will tank six months after the next presidential election, when the U.S. government stops propping it up.
I don’t think they’ll last long either but I give them 10 to 15 years.
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FrogMarch Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:53:19am |
hi all.
Obama Versus the Way of the Universe
“Glad you got that job, Home Depot-we at Lowes didn’t really need it; what a wonderful bid you submitted, Hilton, much better than ours here at the Four Seasons; it was my fault here at Goldman Sachs that I didn’t match your better offer at Credit Suisse; I grew up working for the Royals, and can empathize why you Yankees don’t like us; it’s time we at Citibank apologized to Chase for our past cutthroat competition; we are just too arrogant over here at Delta and wanted to let you guys at United know that.”
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:53:45am |
re: #465 quickjustice
Greenheart’d for quick reference. Thanks.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:54:07am |
[Link: www.hinduonnet.com…]
India clones second buffalo in three months
I know cows are sacred there and can’t be eaten. I wonder if Buffalo’s have the same reverence/ If not, does Ted Turner know about this and how soon before there are Teds Montana Grills sprouting up all over India?
(btw ,,, the Bison short ribs are GREAT at Teds)
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:54:18am |
re: #467 Killgore Trout
I don’t think they’ll last long either but I give them 10 to 15 years.
I hope you’re right about that Killgore, but on what do you base that estimate?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:55:52am |
re: #470 sattv4u2
Water buffaloes are raised for food and work animals. They’re a little tough and a little gamy but not bad if cooked right.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:57:04am |
re: #471 realwest
Just a guess. We’ve bailed them out before and they seem to last a decade or two before they run themselves into the ground again. The last auto bailout was in the 70’s I think.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:57:40am |
re: #472 Killgore Trout
Water buffaloes are raised for food and work animals. They’re a little tough and a little gamy but not bad if cooked right.
I knew they used them for beasts of burden, but I wasn’t sure if they were “It’s what to eat”
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:58:32am |
re: #464 realwest
No. The basic question in evaluating a 363 deal is whether the creditors will be better off than they would have been in a liquidation. That doesn’t mean a particular bond, and the rights under it, is preserved. It means that the court is prognosticating that the bundle of legal rights, whatever they may be, that replace the bonds, make the bondholder better off, or at least potentially, better off than liquidation.
The court’s legal analysis accurately recites the law. What’s weird is the interplay between the TARP money infusion, the U.S. government process, and its impact on the case. That distorts and obscures everything.
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avanti Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:58:32am |
re: #462 John Neverbend
You’re right. Next time I regret not having been a lawyer, I’ll read the Chrysler case.
Interesting comment from the appeals court judge that ruled on the bankruptcy plan.
“Chief Judge Dennis Jacobs of the New York-based appeals court asked Thomas Lauria, the lawyer representing the Indiana funds, why he believed his clients would be better off if the deal with Fiat went away and Chrysler was forced to liquidate.
“You can’t wait for a better deal to come in from Studebaker,” Jacobs said.
Lauria responded that the sale could be restructured to provide a better return for the secured debtholders.
U.S. automaker Studebaker Corp. closed in 1963. “
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:59:23am |
re: #447 MandyManners
This is the best international news in a while.
Yes - it has been good for the Tories.
Now lets wait and see how the EU elections turn out here in the UK.
While there are bound to be some seats going to nationalist Paries like the ones in Wales and Scotland, these are in no way comparable to the BNP, or Geert Wilders’ lot. In fact, they are closer to LLL than to the conservatives.
Oh - and we are waiting for tomorrow, for the next instalment in the continuing bloodbath which was formerly known as NuLab …
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:01:48am |
Seething over fun, joy and music…..
African singer criticized by Muslims plays in NYC
An African singer who ignited worldwide controversy among Muslims has performed before an enthusiastic crowd in New York City.
Youssou N’Dour (YOO’-soo en-DYOOR’) played for about an hour Saturday at the Brooklyn Academy of Music as part of an arts festival aimed at spreading a deeper understanding of Islam. The audience gave him a frenzied dancing ovation.
N’Dour calls Islam a religion in which people “can dance, even enjoy.” He says people “don’t have to associate Islam with fear and sadness.”
The singer was boycotted for years by fellow Muslims who accused him of desecrating Islam by “tainting” it with secular pop culture.
Here’s a video of the blasphemer in action…..
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:02:38am |
re: #476 avanti
It;s really not that “interseting”
The judge was basically saying you’re not going to get a better deal from another outside buyer
The lawyer was basically saying he wanted the deal that is on the table to be structured to protect the ones that USUALLY are protected 1st ,, the secured bond holders
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:02:49am |
re: #468 FrogMarch
Obama will come to his senses with his ‘Bush did it’, reset button, moral equivalency, soaring hope and change, with these apologies to Europeans, his Arab world Sermons on the Mount to Al Arabiya, in Turkey, in Cairo, etc., his touchy-feely videos to Iran, his “we are all victims of racism” sops to Ortega, Chavez, and Morales. It is only a matter of when, under what conditions, how high the price we must pay, and whether we lose the farm before he gains wisdom about the tragic universe in which we live.
VDH has more hope than I. I don’t think FCBBHO will gain any wisdom.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:03:58am |
re: #457 John Neverbend
A work colleague who lived in London for some years asked me why I wouldn’t vote for the BNP. His argument for that heap of ordure was that “they’re against immigration”. I pointed out at length their rather unpleasant history and that in any case, being anti-immigration in Britain is truly closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
While these thugs - mental as well as physical thugs from the BNP - will always be around, it is satisfying to see that even in this election, which was used by many people to show NuLab and Gord to go away, they didn’t get anything amounting to a national vote.
This was in large parts not just a local election but also a protest vote, so even though the BNP has gained some more voters than previously, the country as a whole has shown them the cold shoulder.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:04:07am |
re: #475 quickjustice
Hmmm. I’d like to ask you a favor: could y’all write to me (my nic’s in blue)? I’d appreciate it very much.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:04:16am |
re: #478 Killgore Trout
The audience gave him a frenzied dancing ovation
great phraseology,, as well as mental imagery
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:04:41am |
re: #476 avanti
I’ve met Judge Jacobs, who’s a conservative Republican. He’s a great judge.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:05:02am |
re: #477 yma o hyd
Yes - it has been good for the Tories.
Now lets wait and see how the EU elections turn out here in the UK.
While there are bound to be some seats going to nationalist Paries like the ones in Wales and Scotland, these are in no way comparable to the BNP, or Geert Wilders’ lot. In fact, they are closer to LLL than to the conservatives.Oh - and we are waiting for tomorrow, for the next instalment in the continuing bloodbath which was formerly known as NuLab …
What will be the next installment? More resignations?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:06:15am |
re: #485 quickjustice
I’ve met Judge Jacobs, who’s a conservative Republican. He’s a great judge.
Avanti just got a chubby because Jacobs mentioned Studebaker.
It would be like if I mentioned you just won an all expanse paid vacation to Barbados with the Sports Illustared Swim Suit models
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:06:59am |
re: #484 sattv4u2
The video is cool too. Good morning music.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:07:51am |
re: #459 realwest
Thank you, dear {rw} for posting the prayer list.
And thank you, dear {Lizards} for all your prayers.
My friend Anne has now come home to die.
She can’t take any more treatments and wants to be with her husband and her family.
It will be days rather than weeks. Yesterday, my vicar came to see her, give her Holy Communion, and finalise her funeral.
I am beyond sad - for her family and her friends.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:07:59am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:10:08am |
re: #485 quickjustice Huh?
How can you refer to him as a great judge if what he’s just done is to screw all the bondholders of Chrysler and the retiree’s who DEPEND upon their receiving thier interest payments from those bonds.
Woulda been better off having a fire sale of those assets of Chrysler that the judge apparently views as having some value and paying off the bondholders if you ask me.
Utilimately the UAW will take the biggest hit down the road; course to Obama, down the road means sometime after 2012.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:10:52am |
Headin to bed, gonna see if my college will still be open tomorrow. Cheers.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:11:12am |
re: #490 yma o hyd
Thank you, dear {rw} for posting the prayer list.
And thank you, dear {Lizards} for all your prayers.
My friend Anne has now come home to die.
She can’t take any more treatments and wants to be with her husband and her family.
It will be days rather than weeks. Yesterday, my vicar came to see her, give her Holy Communion, and finalise her funeral.
I am beyond sad - for her family and her friends.
{yma}
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:11:12am |
re: #490 yma o hyd
Oh {Yma} I’m so sorry to hear that. Prayers going up for her right now and will continue. And prayers and best wishes going up for you, too.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:11:46am |
re: #489 buzzsawmonkey
The Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish
—from the film “Garden Of The Moon” (1938), Harry Warren / Al Dubin / Johnny MercerOne fine day, I chanced to stray
On a little side street in old Bombay
And met a sentimental oriental
She saw me and I saw she
Had a manner too bold and much too free
Her eyes were positively detrimental
When I asked about this gay coquette
I discovered much to my regret….She’s the girl friend of the whirling dervish
She’s the sweetest one he’s found
But ev’ry night, in the mellow moonlight
When he’s out dervishing with all his might
She gives him the run-aroundAll the boy friends of the whirling dervish
Are his best friends to his face
But there’s no doubt, when he isn’t about
They all come hurrying to take her out
She leads him a dizzy paceHe dreams of a Hindu honeymoon
He doesn’t dream that ev’ry night when he goes out
To make an honest rupee
She steps out to make a lotta whoopeeOh, the love song of the whirling dervish
Has a sweet and tender sound
But will he burn if he ever should learn
That while he’s doing her a real good turn
She gives him the runaroundShe’s got a nervish, throwin’ him a curvish
Which, of course, he doesn’t deservish
Poor old whirling dervish!
Performed by Porky Pig:
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:12:17am |
Here’s the documentary about him…..
Youssou N’Dour: I Bring What I Love
You can watch the trailer, soon to be released if you have art theaters near you.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:13:11am |
re: #488 Killgore Trout
The video is cool too. Good morning music.
The tune itself sounds very familiar to me. (maybe I’ve spent a little too much time in the Caribbean) I wish there were subtitles.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:13:48am |
re: #490 yma o hyd
Thank you, dear {rw} for posting the prayer list.
And thank you, dear {Lizards} for all your prayers.
My friend Anne has now come home to die.
She can’t take any more treatments and wants to be with her husband and her family.
It will be days rather than weeks. Yesterday, my vicar came to see her, give her Holy Communion, and finalise her funeral.
I am beyond sad - for her family and her friends.
manly hug your way. Keep strong, freind
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:13:49am |
re: #486 MandyManners
What will be the next installment? More resignations?
Labour MPs ahve been circulating an e-mail, asking him to stand down. If more than 70 sign this, the Parliamentary labour Psrty must have a leadership election.
One other Labour Grandee came out today demanding a debate about this.
Its in fact a fight of the Blairites against the Brownites - outcome uncertain.
The one thing which riles us peasants is that all those Labour politicians, from Brown downwards, and in concert with the London political writers and meejah seem to think that its they who matter.
Nobody, none of those, give a fig for us, for the country!
The only ones who have now consistlently called for a General Election are the Tories.
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jcm Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:15:04am |
re: #492 realwest
Huh?
How can you refer to him as a great judge if what he’s just done is to screw all the bondholders of Chrysler and the retiree’s who DEPEND upon their receiving thier interest payments from those bonds.
Woulda been better off having a fire sale of those assets of Chrysler that the judge apparently views as having some value and paying off the bondholders if you ask me.
Utilimately the UAW will take the biggest hit down the road; course to Obama, down the road means sometime after 2012.
Not only that he’s overturned the long established order of priority for debt holders in a bankruptcy.
Like many other thing Obama has done it put capital investments at greater risk, investors will be tighter in decided when and where to invest. That will also slow the recovery.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:15:39am |
re: #493 nyc redneck
{yma} i am so sorry.
I am shocked how fast my friend has gone downhill. I knew her disease was terminal, I knew she had at most a year - but the time has gone so fast.
All I’m praying for now is that her going may be easy and peaceful.
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BignJames Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:15:44am |
re: #490 yma o hyd
Be strong for your friend….I watched my wife die in 2006…it’s a hard thing to do.
{yma}
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:15:44am |
re: #479 sattv4u2
“The lawyer was basically saying he wanted the deal that is on the table to be structured to protect the ones that USUALLY are protected 1st ,, the secured bond holders”
But he couldn’t do that Sattv4u2, then there’d be fewer people depending on the benevolence of Obama and the Dems.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:16:39am |
re: #502 yma o hyd
Labour MPs ahve been circulating an e-mail, asking him to stand down. If more than 70 sign this, the Parliamentary labour Psrty must have a leadership election.
Could there be a no-confidence motion?
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:16:49am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:17:22am |
re: #502 yma o hyd
Labour MPs ahve been circulating an e-mail, asking him to stand down. If more than 70 sign this, the Parliamentary labour Psrty must have a leadership election.
One other Labour Grandee came out today demanding a debate about this.
Its in fact a fight of the Blairites against the Brownites - outcome uncertain.The one thing which riles us peasants is that all those Labour politicians, from Brown downwards, and in concert with the London political writers and meejah seem to think that its they who matter.
Nobody, none of those, give a fig for us, for the country!The only ones who have now consistlently called for a General Election are the Tories.
Sounds like the Tories have a chance to win big.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:18:14am |
re: #496 realwest
Oh {Yma} I’m so sorry to hear that. Prayers going up for her right now and will continue. And prayers and best wishes going up for you, too.
Thank you, {rw}.
Its in God’s hands now.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:18:56am |
re: #504 yma o hyd
I am shocked how fast my friend has gone downhill. I knew her disease was terminal, I knew she had at most a year - but the time has gone so fast.
All I’m praying for now is that her going may be easy and peaceful.
May God grant you peace and strength in this moment of time…
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:19:10am |
re: #498 buzzsawmonkey
Sorry to hear that; please accept my sympathy and condolences.
Thank you, {buzzsawmonkey}.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:19:17am |
[Link: in.reuters.com…]
Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution
RIYADH (Reuters) - King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.
Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
And here I thought for the last 8 years we were told that Bush was in the back pocket of the Arabs!?!?!?
Did the King sense something from The 0nes visit? A weakness? A kindred spirit re; Israel?
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FrogMarch Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:19:22am |
re: #480 MandyManners
Obama will come to his senses with his ‘Bush did it’, reset button, moral equivalency, soaring hope and change, with these apologies to Europeans, his Arab world Sermons on the Mount to Al Arabiya, in Turkey, in Cairo, etc., his touchy-feely videos to Iran, his “we are all victims of racism” sops to Ortega, Chavez, and Morales. It is only a matter of when, under what conditions, how high the price we must pay, and whether we lose the farm before he gains wisdom about the tragic universe in which we live.
VDH has more hope than I. I don’t think FCBBHO will gain any wisdom.
I think Obama’s wisdom comes from his more moderate and realistic handlers. If it were up to BHO, we’d have the gitmo “torture” photos released, and each and every left-wing promise he made during his campaign would be fulfilled. Like VDH wisely notes: [Obama is] someone who has not been in the real world, but only marketed rhetoric without consequences…
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jcm Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:19:35am |
re: #504 yma o hyd
I am shocked how fast my friend has gone downhill. I knew her disease was terminal, I knew she had at most a year - but the time has gone so fast.
All I’m praying for now is that her going may be easy and peaceful.
Prayers for peace, strength and comfort during this time.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:20:36am |
re: #503 jcm
Well I don’t know jcm. Quickjustice, who is a bankruptcy attorney seems to think that the Chief judge there is a Republican and a good guy and that there are legal precedents pursuant to which bondholders can be wiped out completely. Not just no income on their investments, but loss of principal on those investments as well.
I imagine there isn’t a retirement investment advisor who’s slept a wink since this decision was announced.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:20:36am |
re: #501 sattv4u2
manly hug your way. Keep strong, freind
Thank you, {sattv4u2}!
We’re always given the strength to bear what must be borne.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:20:41am |
re: #514 sattv4u2
I can hardly wait until Netanyahu tells FCBBHO to shove it.
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jcm Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:20:57am |
re: #514 sattv4u2
[Link: in.reuters.com…]
Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution
RIYADH (Reuters) - King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
And here I thought for the last 8 years we were told that Bush was in the back pocket of the Arabs!?!?!?
Did the King sense something from The 0nes visit? A weakness? A kindred spirit re; Israel?
I’ll make a deal with you Saudi Arabia, you impose a complete cease fire on the Pali’s and in a year will talk.
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itellu3times Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:21:26am |
Hildabeast on Stephanpoulos this morning.
She sounds … reasonable.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:21:38am |
re: #515 FrogMarch
I think Obama’s wisdom comes from his more moderate and realistic handlers. If it were up to BHO, we’d have the gitmo “torture” photos released, and each and every left-wing promise he made during his campaign would be fulfilled. Like VDH wisely notes: [Obama is] someone who has not been in the real world, but only marketed rhetoric without consequences…
What moderate handlers?
| 523 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:21:57am |
re: #521 itellu3times
Hildabeast on Stephanpoulos this morning.
She sounds … reasonable.
compared to Stephie she is !
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:22:40am |
re: #505 BignJames
Be strong for your friend….I watched my wife die in 2006…it’s a hard thing to do.
{yma}
Thank you - it is a hard thing to do, but do it we must.
I am so sorry to hear about your wife. I lost my dear husband in 2005 - it is even harder when it is one’s dearest who has to go.
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:22:57am |
re: #492 realwest
You should read the “TARP investment is a political decision of the U.S. Treasury to save the auto industry” part of the opinion. The court says it can’t second-guess that aspect of the case.
Ever hear of judicial restraint? I’m as appalled at the use of TARP funds (which started under Bush, with a Democratic Congress) to try to plug the rat hole otherwise known as Chrysler. An activist court might seek to impose its policy preferences on the executive branch. Jacobs probably won’t.
The problem isn’t with the statute per se, or with the court. It’s with Obama.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:23:44am |
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:24:12am |
re: #514 sattv4u2
[Link: in.reuters.com…]
Did the King sense something from The 0nes visit? A weakness? A kindred spirit re; Israel?
All that I can infer from the Saudi statement is that they haven’t changed their position one iota, and that if Obama’s plan requires a different approach from the Arabs, one of flexibility and compromise, it’s not going to get very far.
| 528 |
jcm Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:24:44am |
re: #517 realwest
Well I don’t know jcm. Quickjustice, who is a bankruptcy attorney seems to think that the Chief judge there is a Republican and a good guy and that there are legal precedents pursuant to which bondholders can be wiped out completely. Not just no income on their investments, but loss of principal on those investments as well.
I imagine there isn’t a retirement investment advisor who’s slept a wink since this decision was announced.
I can see investors losing everything when a company completely folds and it’s debts far out weigh it’s assets. With a re-org it should be different, and a auto maker has a lot of assets in factories, tooling etc…
There’s venture capital where a total loss is a possible outcome, but bonds? That going to have widespread ramifications.
Frankly the way it looks to be going done is redistributionist.
| 529 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:25:37am |
[Link: apnews.myway.com…]
Employers would be required to offer health care to employees or pay a penalty - and all Americans would be guaranteed health insurance - under a draft bill circulated Friday by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy’s health committee.
Thank God we’re heading towards SMALLER Gov’t, as the 0ne campaigned for !
| 530 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:26:23am |
re: #514 sattv4u2
[Link: in.reuters.com…]
Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution
RIYADH (Reuters) - King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
And here I thought for the last 8 years we were told that Bush was in the back pocket of the Arabs!?!?!?
Did the King sense something from The 0nes visit? A weakness? A kindred spirit re; Israel?
0bama thought that by going to the Kingdom, his specialness and wonderfulness would inspire the erstwhile caravan robbers to become flexible on their “Saudi Peace Initiative” (terms of Israel’s surrender) but instead they ate his lunch.
| 531 |
jcm Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:26:29am |
re: #525 quickjustice
You should read the “TARP investment is a political decision of the U.S. Treasury to save the auto industry” part of the opinion. The court says it can’t second-guess that aspect of the case.
Ever hear of judicial restraint? I’m as appalled at the use of TARP funds (which started under Bush, with a Democratic Congress) to try to plug the rat hole otherwise known as Chrysler. An activist court might seek to impose its policy preferences on the executive branch. Jacobs probably won’t.
The problem isn’t with the statute per se, or with the court. It’s with Obama.
He’s spreading the wealth, making political payoffs and damn what it will to to capital investments and economy.
| 532 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:26:43am |
re: #508 John Neverbend
Could there be a no-confidence motion?
Some MPs from the nationalist partie (Northern ireland, Wales, scotland) are going to try and table a motion for Wednesday, but as NuLab still has the majority of the votes in the House, there is no chance this will get through.
Some rumour is that the Queen might, at her Tuesday Audience with Gord, hint to him that he is not able to govern properly any more, thus might call for a General Election …
If she does, I personally doubt Gord will listen - for him, its about his survival, and only his survival, sod the coutnry!
| 533 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:27:52am |
re: #527 John Neverbend
All that I can infer from the Saudi statement is that they haven’t changed their position one iota, and that if Obama’s plan requires a different approach from the Arabs, one of flexibility and compromise, it’s not going to get very far.
They haven’t, but suddenly, after meeting with The 0ne the king
want(s) Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Someone more webbie savvy than me will have to show me where any Arab leader openly told Pres. Bush to “get tough” with the Israelis
| 534 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:28:24am |
re: #510 MandyManners
Sounds like the Tories have a chance to win big.
The papers project a majority of 34 seats, on the basis of the local elections.
The Tories only got 38%, not the 40% they aimed for - but that was due to the general backlash about the expenses scandal.
So win they will - but lets hope for a bigger majority!
| 535 |
quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:28:45am |
re: #517 realwest
Let me keep this simple:
1. Failing company is worth $800 million. If company fails, and secured creditor liquidates collateral, it’ll get 20 cents on the dollar (this depends on the value of the collateral upon liquidation).
2. U.S. government loans $5 billion to failing company. Failing company turns around, survives, and thrives. Using revived cash flow, reorganized company pays secured creditor 100% on the dollar over five years.
That’s the legal logic of the court. There could be flaws in that logic if, for example, the collateral is worth 100% of the amount of the debt upon liquidation.
I’m not defending Treasury’s investment of TARP money. This is their logic, however.
| 537 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:29:25am |
re: #512 HoosierHoops
May God grant you peace and strength in this moment of time…
Thank you so much, {HH}!
| 538 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:30:18am |
re: #516 jcm
Prayers for peace, strength and comfort during this time.
Thank you {jcm}!
Prayers do give strength - always.
| 539 |
Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:31:26am |
The Jihad defense….
Terror suspect quotes Quran in closing argument
A former Georgia Tech student charged with plotting to help terrorist groups turned the closing arguments in his federal trial on Thursday into a bewildering lesson on Islamic principles amid stunned courtroom observers.
Syed Haris Ahmed, 24, had waived his right to a jury trial so he could deliver closing arguments and warned last month he would use his time to focus on the “message of Islam.”
Even so, the judge, prosecutors and even his defense attorney seemed unprepared: He read nine verses of the Quran in Arabic and never directly addressed the charges that could land him 15 years in federal prison.
“I hope that if I deliver the message that has been revealed by Allah, the promise of protection from evil will come to me,” Ahmed said during the hushed and sometimes stumbling 45-minute address.
| 540 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:31:44am |
re: #456 quickjustice
Thanks for the link. I can read legalese. It’s an opinion in the Chrysler bankruptcy under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, which defines the circumstances under which a bankruptcy court can approve the sale of the assets of a debtor corporation.
Before your eyes glaze over, the key points are as follows:
1. The opinion is highly unusual in reciting the U.S. government’s involvement in Chrysler with its infusion of TARP money. That’s where it’s truly “Twilight Zone” stuff.
2. The court essentially buys in to the Debtor’s (Chrysler’s) argument that creditors are better off with the sale to Fiat than they would be in a liquidation of the company.
3. Rather than using my “superpriority” legal mechanism, the court simply says that the TARP infusion of taxpayer capital increased the value of Chrysler, and that all creditors, including secured bondholders, are better off because of it.
4. For that reason, the court says, it’s OK for the new, reorganized Chrysler, worth billions, to give extra money to the UAW and its benefit plans. Without the TARP money, Chrysler would only be worth $800 million to its creditors.
In short, the TARP infusion of taxpayer money gives the U.S. government control of the bankruptcy case by increasing the value of Chrysler. Old investors can’t complain about that, because they benefit from it.
My read: It’s breathtaking and chilling to watch the U.S. government become “Big Brother” in a bankruptcy case as against all the little peon creditors, seizing control of a major industrial company by lending to it. The U.S. government knows better than the rest of the creditors.
I predict the “reorganized” Chrysler will tank six months after the next presidential election, when the U.S. government stops propping it up.
This raises a further question: once the sale to Fiat is complete, Chrysler as a separate corporate entity ceases to exist. Who, exactly, will the US government be propping up with continued bailout funds? An Italian company seeking to snag a portion of US auto share. Seems like a not-so-great use of American tax dollars, to me.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:31:54am |
re: #532 yma o hyd
Some rumour is that the Queen might, at her Tuesday Audience with Gord, hint to him that he is not able to govern properly any more, thus might call for a General Election …
Interesting. Personally, I doubt if this will happen, but then I’m not privy to Her Majesty’s thoughts. It sounds more like the sort of thing that a Governor General might do.
| 542 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:33:16am |
re: #536 buzzsawmonkey
And lest we forget - ‘peace’ is not realistic where this happens in another Arab country far from Israel:
The tragedy of the Yemeni Jews
From that link:
‘The last Jews of Yemen are leaving. They are packing their bags and moving to Israel or the US. A community dating back to Biblical times is on the brink of extinction. …’
RTWT
| 543 |
BlueCanuck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:33:57am |
re: #541 John Neverbend
Yes but the Governor Generals are direct representatives of the Queen. So in Merry Old England they talk directly to her majesty.
| 544 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:34:42am |
re: #534 yma o hyd
The papers project a majority of 34 seats, on the basis of the local elections.
The Tories only got 38%, not the 40% they aimed for - but that was due to the general backlash about the expenses scandal.So win they will - but lets hope for a bigger majority!
How many Tories screwed the tax payers with their expenses?
| 545 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:35:26am |
re: #541 John Neverbend
Interesting. Personally, I doubt if this will happen, but then I’m not privy to Her Majesty’s thoughts. It sounds more like the sort of thing that a Governor General might do.
Well - she did dissolve the parliament in Australia, a few years back - it still is her prerogative, and she certainly has more knowledge about British politics than any of that NuLab lot, having been ‘in the job’ for more than 50 years.
But she certainly will not do anything without proper consultation.
| 546 |
John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:35:33am |
re: #533 sattv4u2
Someone more webbie savvy than me will have to show me where any Arab leader openly told Pres. Bush to “get tough” with the Israelis
Come on Abdullah, stop all this nonsense and think beyond the narrow confines of your traditional view of Israel. Send, or at least threaten to send a diplomatic envoy to Jerusalem, and see what the response is from Netanyahu. Remember Sadat and Begin.
| 547 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:36:12am |
re: #542 yma o hyd
And lest we forget - ‘peace’ is not realistic where this happens in another Arab country far from Israel:
The tragedy of the Yemeni Jews
From that link:
‘The last Jews of Yemen are leaving. They are packing their bags and moving to Israel or the US. A community dating back to Biblical times is on the brink of extinction. …’RTWT
Since this is from “The Guardian” there is the usual swarm of anti-Semitic posts claiming “This is sad, but no different from the way Israel is treating the Palestinians!”
| 548 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:36:59am |
[Link: www.boston.com…]
Scandals cast shadow on state Democrats
Democrats have never had more power in Massachusetts, and it has been on their watch that the political and ethical culture on Beacon Hill has reached its lowest point in decades.
Did Nancy Pelosi rail against The Culture Of Corruption, or did I dream that!?!?!?
| 549 |
MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:37:43am |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
The Jihad defense….
Terror suspect quotes Quran in closing argument
“I hope that if I deliver the message that has been revealed by Allah, the promise of protection from evil will come to me,” Ahmed said during the hushed and sometimes stumbling 45-minute address.
I hope the rule of law imposed by real mortals protects us from this nut-job.
| 550 |
yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:38:06am |
re: #544 MandyManners
How many Tories screwed the tax payers with their expenses?
Can’t remember, the reports have been going on for so long now - but certainly distinctly fewer than the NuLab lot - and certainly there are far far fewer who did these property and tax fiddles.
Above all - they have paid back what they took, and those who were too greedy have been made to stand down by Cameron, and chucked out of his shadow cabinet.
Brown - ahem … he’s a ditherer …
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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:38:12am |
re: #535 quickjustice
Quickjustice: You are in PA I believe?
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:39:10am |
re: #545 yma o hyd
Well - she did dissolve the parliament in Australia, a few years back - it still is her prerogative, and she certainly has more knowledge about British politics than any of that NuLab lot, having been ‘in the job’ for more than 50 years.
But she certainly will not do anything without proper consultation.
Was that when the Governor General of Australia dismissed the prime minister Gough Whitlam in 1975?
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:39:15am |
re: #547 Alouette
Since this is from “The Guardian” there is the usual swarm of anti-Semitic posts claiming “This is sad, but no different from the way Israel is treating the Palestinians!”
Yep - some comments are pretty disgusting - but the majority seems to have hit right back, even for Guardianistas.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:40:04am |
re: #552 John Neverbend
Was that when the Governor General of Australia dismissed the prime minister Gough Whitlam in 1975?
I think it was much later, some time in the late 1980a or early 1990 - aussiemagpie would know!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:40:06am |
re: #550 yma o hyd
Can’t remember, the reports have been going on for so long now - but certainly distinctly fewer than the NuLab lot - and certainly there are far far fewer who did these property and tax fiddles.
Above all - they have paid back what they took, and those who were too greedy have been made to stand down by Cameron, and chucked out of his shadow cabinet.Brown - ahem … he’s a ditherer …
Is it that the NuLab folks are enormously entitled?
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Ojoe Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:42:09am |
re: #517 realwest
realwest, could you add to the prayer list: Ojoe - needs work to come in.
Thanks, realwest.
BBL
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:45:47am |
re: #555 MandyManners
Is it that the NuLab folks are enormously entitled?
Absolutely!
As are all socialists in power …
The ‘working class’ they pretend to represent and ‘work’ for - not so much!
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:45:49am |
re: #554 yma o hyd
I think it was much later, some time in the late 1980a or early 1990 - aussiemagpie would know!
Bugger, my knowledge of Aussie history is not good.
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John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:46:53am |
re: #553 yma o hyd
Yep - some comments are pretty disgusting - but the majority seems to have hit right back, even for Guardianistas.
I say sod the Guardian.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:47:19am |
re: #556 Ojoe
I have a quick question for you. Would it make sense, when building a house, to put heating coils under the floor and a/c vents in the ceiling since hot air rises and cold air falls?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:48:15am |
re: #557 yma o hyd
Absolutely!
As are all socialists in power …The ‘working class’ they pretend to represent and ‘work’ for - not so much!
Flips the meaning of public servant on its head.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:48:19am |
Watching Scent of a Woman.. again
5 out of 5 stars.. One of the best movies ever made .IMHO.
” I don’t know whether to shoot you or adopt you” I love Al Pacino
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:48:43am |
And now for something completely different …:Federer claims historic Paris win:
‘Roger Federer beat Robin Soderling in straight sets to win his first French Open and equal Pete Sampras’s record of 14 Grand Slam titles.
World number two Federer becomes only the sixth man to have won each of the four Grand Slam tournaments.
The 27-year-old Swiss produced a near-faultless display in testing conditions to dominate Sweden’s Soderling, a shock finalist, from start to finish.
He wrapped up a 6-1 7-6 (7-1) 6-4 victory in one hour and 55 minutes.
A tearful Federer joins joins Fred Perry, Don Budge, Roy Emerson, Rod Laver and Andre Agassi as the only men to have won all four Grand Slam titles and was presented the Coupe des Mousquetaires by Agassi. ‘
Nice!
:-)
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:49:25am |
re: #558 John Neverbend
Bugger, my knowledge of Aussie history is not good.
Nor mine neither, likewise, also, as well …
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itellu3times Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:50:59am |
re: #536 buzzsawmonkey
Regarding “settlements” and a “Middle East solution,” if it were not that the Arabs are genocidal there would be absolutely no problem—either as regards “settlements” or the borders of the “Palestinian state” that so many people are hot for.
Were it possible for the Jews living in the West Bank to be as secure under the rule of law as the Arab citizens of Israel are—hell, if it were possible for them to be as secure under the rule of law as the “Palestinian” Arabs living under “occupation” are—it would make no difference whatsoever where, or when, the lines between two states were drawn.
The fact is, however, that the sticking point is not the Israelis’ desire for peace, or their willingness to subject themselves to unreasonable demands in order to achieve it. The sticking point is that the Arabs demand that any land over which they are given sovereignty be handed to them ethnically cleansed of Jews—with the understanding that the life and property of any Jews in any land over which they gain control will be forfeit, if it has not been rendered judenrein prior to their control.
The fact that the “peace process” is nothing more than an effort to accommodate genocidal hatred without making mention of that fact is the giant elephant in the room that everyone keeps pretending does not exist.
George Will got it right on ABC this morning - there can be no peace, because nobody on the Palestinian side will agree to it.
Note that things have deteriorated on the Arab side since 1967, since 2000. To the best of my knowledge, no Palestinian representative or government in Israel’s history has made good on any promise in the peace process, “roadmap”, etc. Israel must act in the absence of anybody on the other side of the table. I don’t see what even a schlemiel like Obama thinks he can do about that.
The idea that Israel must do X or Y or Z (eg, stop all settlement growth) before the Palestinians will negotiate - is absurd, shows no understanding of the facts on the ground, or the history of the region.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:51:12am |
re: #562 HoosierHoops
Watching Scent of a Woman.. again
5 out of 5 stars.. One of the best movies ever made .IMHO.
” I don’t know whether to shoot you or adopt you” I love Al Pacino
Not to mention a nice scene with “Fiona” from Burn Notice dancing with the colonel
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:52:08am |
re: #561 MandyManners
Flips the meaning of public servant on its head.
Heh!
They finally are shown up, for all to see, as the hypocrites they really are: preaching water while drinking wine … or champagne, as the case may be.
I mean - moats and stuff one expects from the Tories - but for a Labour MP to claim for a Bose music and TV system, for £ 8000, as ‘indispensable for his work as MP’ is really taking the biscuit!
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:53:15am |
re: #556 Ojoe Um Ojoe - I know you’re an architect and you live in California (two strikes against you right there in the current economy). I’ll be happy to add you, but you need to tell me what KIND of work you need to come in! Do you mean you need a private company to hire you as an architect? Or something else?
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:53:18am |
re: #566 sattv4u2
Not to mention a nice scene with “Fiona” from Burn Notice dancing with the colonel
Scent of a woman (1992 )
17 years ago and Fiona is still smoking hot…
I loved it when they did the Tango… Best ever put on film
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:57:19am |
re: #567 yma o hyd
Heh!
They finally are shown up, for all to see, as the hypocrites they really are: preaching water while drinking wine … or champagne, as the case may be.
I mean - moats and stuff one expects from the Tories - but for a Labour MP to claim for a Bose music and TV system, for £ 8000, as ‘indispensable for his work as MP’ is really taking the biscuit!
I reckon people were surprised because conservatives are supposed to be greedy and rich people while liberals are supposed to be giving and poor folks.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:58:32am |
re: #571 MandyManners
I reckon people were surprised because conservatives are supposed to be greedy and rich people while liberals are supposed to be giving and poor folks.
Boy..If I had a nickel for every Democrat with a 100,000 bucks in the freezer
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SixDegrees Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:59:37am |
re: #569 HoosierHoops
Scent of a woman (1992 )
17 years ago and Fiona is still smoking hot…
I loved it when they did the Tango… Best ever put on film
Gotta love the Fiona character. Smokin’ hot, into big guns and explosives, and slightly insane, in that lovable crazy-ex-girlfriend kinda way.
Great casting across the board, for that matter.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:59:43am |
re: #528 jcm Yes, I agree it’s merely a redistribution of wealth. But as Quickjustice indicated, the Feds have argued that they basically have a Super Secured Position because of the TARP funds, which, iirc, were to be used to help out banks and unfreeze the credit markets.
What this WILL DO, however, is screw a lot of pensioners and retired folks - I mean A LOT of them, more than there are members of the UAW in fact - out of money they desperately need just to survive. So it’s sorta a twofer for Obama and the Dems: a) use the Fed Money for purposes other than what was originally TOLD to the American People it would be used for and instead use it to bail out the UAW and b) make more people dependent on the largesse of the Federal Government.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:00:46am |
re: #572 HoosierHoops
Boy..If I had a nickel for every Democrat with a 100,000 bucks in the freezer
See my 548. It’s gotten so bad in Massachusetts even the Boston GLOBE is forced to report on it
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:02:30am |
Howdy.
Feeling cranky today, since I have a headache, and some idiot started sending text messages to my iPhone at 3 am with such gems as “whassup” and “stopp rappin”.
And, speaking of Obama and those pesky Joos, here’s Mark Steyn:
Once Obama moved on from the more generalized Islamoschmoozing to the details, the subtext – the absence of American will – became explicit. He used the cover of multilateralism and moral equivalence to communicate, consistently, American weakness: “No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons.” […]
On the other hand, a “single nation” certainly has the right to tell another nation anything it wants if that nation happens to be the Zionist Entity: As Hillary Clinton just instructed Israel regarding its West Bank communities, there has to be “a stop to settlements – not some settlements, not outposts, not natural-growth exceptions.” No “natural growth”? You mean, if you and the missus have a kid, you’ve got to talk gran’ma into moving out? To Tel Aviv, or Brooklyn or wherever? At a stroke, the administration has endorsed “the Muslim world’s” view of those non-Muslims who happen to find themselves within what it regards as lands belonging to Islam: the Jewish and Christian communities are free to stand still or shrink, but not to grow. Would Obama be comfortable mandating “no natural growth” to Israel’s million-and-a-half Muslims?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:02:43am |
re: #572 HoosierHoops
Boy..If I had a nickel for every Democrat with a 100,000 bucks in the freezer
You’d have one nickel?
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Flyers1974 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:02:43am |
re: #551 Flyers1974
If interested, send me an e-mail, I have a guy who needs a chapter 7 and possibly an 11. Don’t have anywhere to send him other than phonebook.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:02:59am |
re: #529 sattv4u2
Uh, what employers?
/
This part of Teddy’s draft bill has been criticised (sorry no link but from either Reuters or AP) by his fellow Dems for a variety of reasons. Indeed the Dem who heads the Health and Welfare committee (or whatever it’s called) in the Senate, noted that Senator Kennedy had neglected to include HOW that money for healthcare is supposed to be raised and called Teddy’s bill a “draft of a draft bill”. It ain’t gonna even take off,much less fly!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:03:32am |
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:03:35am |
re: #571 MandyManners
I reckon people were surprised because conservatives are supposed to be greedy and rich people while liberals are supposed to be giving and poor folks.
Thats true - but over the 12 years NuLab has been in power, more and more people, even in their heartlands up North, have seen that they were great on fluffy words, but not on actual deeds.
And we all have seen how our country has deteriorated, how our public services have deteriorated, in spite of words and lots of our taxes.
And thats without even mentioning the truly deadful things which are NuLabs fault - like the state of the economy …
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:04:08am |
More Steyn (and I will award myself a pat on the back for having made more or less this same point here LGF a few days ago):
Overseas, the coolest president in history was giving a speech. Or, as the official press release headlined it on the State Department Web site, “President Obama Speaks To The Muslim World From Cairo.”
Let’s pause right there: It’s interesting how easily the words “the Muslim world” roll off the tongues of liberal secular progressives who’d choke on any equivalent reference to “the Christian world.” When such hyperalert policemen of the perimeter between church and state endorse the former but not the latter, they’re implicitly acknowledging that Islam is not merely a faith but a political project, too.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:04:19am |
Monkeylectric’s Bike Wheel Video Display
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:04:20am |
re: #576 Occasional Reader
Howdy.
Feeling cranky today, since I have a headache, and some idiot started sending text messages to my iPhone at 3 am with such gems as “whassup” and “stopp rappin”.
And, speaking of Obama and those pesky Joos, here’s Mark Steyn:
((((((OR))))))
Can’t you turn the thing off or mute the volume-thingy?
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nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:04:48am |
re: #542 yma o hyd
And lest we forget - ‘peace’ is not realistic where this happens in another Arab country far from Israel:
The tragedy of the Yemeni Jews
From that link:
‘The last Jews of Yemen are leaving. They are packing their bags and moving to Israel or the US. A community dating back to Biblical times is on the brink of extinction. …’wait, why are they leaving?
o in his cairo speech insisted that islam is a great religion of… peace.
a religion of tolerance, that respects the equality of other religions.
(what blatant lies)
o needs to look around the world and see how brutal islam is to other religions.
it devours them. crushes them. there is no freedom of religion in islam, even for moslems.
i’m glad the jews in yemen are getting out.
RTWT
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Bloodnok Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:05:02am |
re: #576 Occasional Reader
Howdy.
Feeling cranky today, since I have a headache, and some idiot started sending text messages to my iPhone at 3 am with such gems as “whassup” and “stopp rappin”.
And, speaking of Obama and those pesky Joos, here’s Mark Steyn:
How foolish. Anyone that knows you knows you’ll never stopp rappin.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:05:07am |
re: #584 MandyManners
((((((OR))))))
Can’t you turn the thing off or mute the volume-thingy?
You get me so hot when you talk all techie!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:05:17am |
re: #581 yma o hyd
Thats true - but over the 12 years NuLab has been in power, more and more people, even in their heartlands up North, have seen that they were great on fluffy words, but not on actual deeds.
And we all have seen how our country has deteriorated, how our public services have deteriorated, in spite of words and lots of our taxes.
And thats without even mentioning the truly deadful things which are NuLabs fault - like the state of the economy …
Is it as bad as it was before Thatcher became PM?
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:06:14am |
re: #577 MandyManners
You’d have one nickel?
With Murtha I figure I got at least 2 nickels to rub together…
:)
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:06:40am |
re: #535 quickjustice
Oh, I understand the Court’s rationale, but as I said, IF they count the TARP funds as a loan with a Superpriority lien position, and then Chrysler goes under anyway, then the bondholders lose EVERYTHING.
And I’m not sure what the involvement of Fiat - a foreign company which in it’s own fashion receives financial support from the Italian government, will have on this situation.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:07:45am |
re: #576 Occasional Reader
Howdy.
Feeling cranky today, since I have a headache, and some idiot started sending text messages to my iPhone at 3 am with such gems as “whassup” and “stopp rappin”.
And, speaking of Obama and those pesky Joos, here’s Mark Steyn:
Would Obama be comfortable mandating “no natural growth” to Israel’s million-and-a-half Muslims?
There’d be screams of genocide if he were to do that.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:08:28am |
re: #584 MandyManners
((((((OR))))))
Can’t you turn the thing off or mute the volume-thingy?
Sure, but I hadn’t, because it’s usually not necessary. Of course, after the timeless “stopp rappin” message, I did.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:09:28am |
re: #579 realwest
It ain’t gonna even take off,much less fly!
Do NOT put any money against that statement
Kennedy is the chairman of Helath, Education, Labor and Pensions committee in the senate
Kenndy was on Obamas bandwagon from day one (to the shock and dismay of Bill and Hillary)
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:10:00am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:10:50am |
re: #594 MandyManners
Frequency! Analog! Digital!
Thanks. I need a cigarette.
Was it as good for me as it was for you !?!?
//
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:10:52am |
re: #590 realwest
Oh, I understand the Court’s rationale, but as I said, IF they count the TARP funds as a loan with a Superpriority lien position, and then Chrysler goes under anyway, then the bondholders lose EVERYTHING.
And I’m not sure what the involvement of Fiat - a foreign company which in it’s own fashion receives financial support from the Italian government, will have on this situation.
International Socialism?
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:10:58am |
re: #567 yma o hyd
Yma - “I mean - moats and stuff one expects from the Tories - but for a Labour MP to claim for a Bose music and TV system, for £ 8000, as ‘indispensable for his work as MP’ is really taking the biscuit!”
Uh is that the same thing as when we say someone has taken the cake? I mean do you all have to settle for biscuits now instead of cake?!
/
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:11:08am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:12:03am |
re: #592 Occasional Reader
Sure, but I hadn’t, because it’s usually not necessary. Of course, after the timeless “stopp rappin” message, I did.
Was it a case of DWI*?
*Dialing While Intoxicated.
Reach out, reach out and bug someone.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:12:12am |
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:12:16am |
re: #572 HoosierHoops
Boy..If I had a nickel for every Democrat with a 100,000 bucks in the freezer
ROTFL! Great one Hoops!
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:12:25am |
re: #595 sattv4u2
Thanks. I need a cigarette.
Was it as good for me as it was for you !?!?//
Better.
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:12:44am |
re: #588 MandyManners
Is it as bad as it was before Thatcher became PM?
I think its actually worse.
The national Debt is worse, the ‘public service’ - thats not just Whitehall, thats all the employees in all the councils in the country - is bloated beyond belief ( there are districts where more than 50% of the employed are in the public service - non-productive, living off our taxes -’ the illegal immigration is out of control, and everything is suffocated by red tape and micro-management from London.
Yes - its far worse, and the financial and economic situation is beyond worse.
Maggie had it easy, compared to Dave Cameron …
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quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:13:00am |
re: #540 SixDegrees
There will be a “new Chrysler” that pays health and pension benefits to Chrysler retirees, primarily former UAW workers, if it prospers.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:13:07am |
re: #586 Bloodnok
How foolish. Anyone that knows you knows you’ll never stopp rappin.
Indeed. Rappin is who I am.
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opnion Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:13:34am |
re: #593 sattv4u2
It ain’t gonna even take off,much less fly!
Do NOT put any money against that statement
Kennedy is the chairman of Helath, Education, Labor and Pensions committee in the senate
Kenndy was on Obamas bandwagon from day one (to the shock and dismay of Bill and Hillary)
Teddy& Caroline Kennedy jumped to Obama when Geraldine Ferraro made her comment about Obama’s race helping him in the primary.
That gave them the cover to say that Hillay”s camapaiogn was injecting race.
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Bloodnok Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:14:08am |
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yma o hyd Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:14:27am |
re: #597 realwest
Yma - “I mean - moats and stuff one expects from the Tories - but for a Labour MP to claim for a Bose music and TV system, for £ 8000, as ‘indispensable for his work as MP’ is really taking the biscuit!”
Uh is that the same thing as when we say someone has taken the cake? I mean do you all have to settle for biscuits now instead of cake?!
/
Aww - we’ve always just taken the biscuit, in polite society!
Down the pub, we use more … earthy expressions!
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ladycatnip Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:15:10am |
#548 sattv4u2
Did Nancy Pelosi rail against The Culture Of Corruption, or did I dream that!?!?!?
Thanks for the link.
I’m amazed that the word democrat was used repeatedly, beginning with the second paragraph. Usually it’s either never mentioned, or buried at the end of the story on page 2. This is close to a flying pig moment.
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avanti Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:16:55am |
re: #479 sattv4u2
It;s really not that “interseting”
The judge was basically saying you’re not going to get a better deal from another outside buyer
The lawyer was basically saying he wanted the deal that is on the table to be structured to protect the ones that USUALLY are protected 1st ,, the secured bond holders
It was interesting to me, because of the Studebaker mention. That’s the cars I collect.
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nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:17:28am |
it is very sobering how o is relishing in his new found courage to emphasize his moslem roots, middle name and islamic bias. i hope this is opening eyes in america. his shift to embrace that part of his background so quickly after he WON,
should be a wake up call to question his motives.
especially after he said in his cairo speech to the moslem world: that it is part of his responsibility as potus to fight against negative stereotypes of islam where ever they appear.
i just can’t get over how chilling that is.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:18:07am |
Before I head off to work, I will leave you with this thought. Arrogance, narcissism, and naivete are a deadly mix of qualities for any person who has the job of “Leader of the Free World.” I hope sentiments behind the bumper sticker I saw yesterday (1-20-13) spread rapidly among the populace.
Good luck and good day.
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:18:21am |
re: #593 sattv4u2 LOL! Well it was in fact an Extremely powerful Dem who called Teddy’s plan a “draft of a draft” and apparently, since Ted didn’t bother suggesting where the money will come from so all the uninsured will be insured, they’re are apparently (and remember this is from either AP or Reuters, no less!) a LOT of Dems who’ve already turned thumbs down on it!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:18:53am |
re: #610 ladycatnip
#548 sattv4u2
Thanks for the link.I’m amazed that the word democrat was used repeatedly, beginning with the second paragraph. Usually it’s either never mentioned, or buried at the end of the story on page 2. This is close to a flying pig moment.
I had to read it twice myself. I was born, raised and lived in Boston for 45+ years. I rmember when The Globe WAS neutral and a great paper (much like many others across the country) I saw it’s slow but steady decent into being apologists for the left, 1st in their editorials and then in the news reportage itself. Sad, really.
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nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:19:43am |
imagine if pres. bush had said that abt. christians.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:20:07am |
re: #611 avanti
It was interesting to me, because of the Studebaker mention. That’s the cars I collect.
I know that, as mentioned in #487
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:21:06am |
re: #611 avanti
It was interesting to me, because of the Studebaker mention. That’s the cars I collect.
Is they, now?
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realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:21:31am |
re: #603 yma o hyd
ah {yma} “The national Debt is worse, the ‘public service’ - thats not just Whitehall, thats all the employees in all the councils in the country - is bloated beyond belief”
All they gotta do is join the UAW and Obama will take care of ‘em!
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Bloodnok Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:23:08am |
BBL. I’m going for 20 miles (walked) today. I’m only at 4. Gots ta get moving.
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Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:24:06am |
re: #620 Bloodnok
BBL. I’m going for 20 miles (walked) today. I’m only at 4. Gots ta get moving.
You’re posting while hiking?
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jim in virginia Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:24:28am |
re: #595 sattv4u2
Thanks. I need a cigarette.
Was it as good for me as it was for you !?!?//
Can’t you two get a room somewhere?
Morning/ afternonn all.
Hiya relawest, long time no see.
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Macker Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:24:33am |
re: #613 _RememberTonyC
Before I head off to work, I will leave you with this thought. Arrogance, narcissism, and naivete are a deadly mix of qualities for any person who has the job of “Leader of the Free World.” I hope sentiments behind the bumper sticker I saw yesterday (1-20-13) spread rapidly among the populace.
Is that all the bumper sticker says? Me Likey!
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Bloodnok Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:25:12am |
re: #621 Occasional Reader
You’re posting while hiking?
Yup. a few WiFi spots and/or coffee shops I know. I’m at Harvard Square right now.
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jim in virginia Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:26:37am |
re: #614 realwest
IIRC Pelosi promised the Chinese last week that Congress would enact paygo.
No more deficit spending.
Promise. Really. Next week.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:26:47am |
re: #624 Macker
Is that all the bumper sticker says? Me Likey!
that was all it said … I loved it. It was on a big black BMW SUV and I tried to pull up next to it to give the driver a thumbs up, but he was a lead foot and I couldn’t catch up to him/her.
| 628 |
Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:26:53am |
re: #625 Bloodnok
Yup. a few WiFi spots and/or coffee shops I know. I’m at Harvard Square right now.
You don’t need to walk anymore, then. because that’s where you pahhked the cahh.
| 629 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:27:23am |
re: #604 quickjustice
There will be a “new Chrysler” that pays health and pension benefits to Chrysler retirees, primarily former UAW workers, if it prospers.
OK. But they’re going to be, at best, a division of Fiat, not a separate corporation, yes?
| 630 |
Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:27:30am |
re: #627 _RememberTonyC
that was all it said … I loved it. It was on a big black BMW SUV and I tried to pull up next to it to give the driver a thumbs up, but he was a lead foot and I couldn’t catch up to him/her.
Evil RepubliKKKan killing the planet with his/her carbon footprint! ! ! !
| 631 |
_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:28:34am |
re: #630 Occasional Reader
Evil RepubliKKKan killing the planet with his/her carbon footprint! ! ! !
LOL …. that Beamer was almost as big as Al Gore’s butt.
| 632 |
loup-garou Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:29:45am |
| 633 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:30:01am |
re: #621 Occasional Reader
Of course he is O.R. - lizards are nothing if not multi-tasking fools!
| 634 |
Bobblehead Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:30:51am |
| 635 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:31:37am |
re: #623 jim in virginia
Hey jim! No kidding - how come you’re up and about at this hour? Don’t y’all usually post around oh, 4:00Am easter?
:)
How are things going for you?
| 636 |
Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:32:40am |
re: #632 loup-garou
Militant atheists are really the worst — what with their “words” and “ad campaigns” and “questions”…
good morning lizards!
Of course, that last panel (“Militant atheist”) could also have been illustrated with, say, a depiction of a Khmer Rouge gunman.
Just sayin’. (And I’m an atheist.)
| 637 |
opnion Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:32:55am |
re: #612 nyc redneck
it is very sobering how o is relishing in his new found courage to emphasize his moslem roots, middle name and islamic bias. i hope this is opening eyes in america. his shift to embrace that part of his background so quickly after he WON,
should be a wake up call to question his motives.
especially after he said in his cairo speech to the moslem world: that it is part of his responsibility as potus to fight against negative stereotypes of islam where ever they appear.
i just can’t get over how chilling that is.
THe disturbing part is that during the campaign it was considered hateful & fear mongering to mention Obama & Islam in the same breath.
His given middle name was off limits.
Now his association with Islam is supposed to be considered a huge positive.
George Orwell would be proud.
| 638 |
Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:33:04am |
re: #633 realwest
Of course he is O.R. - lizards are nothing if not multi-tasking fools!
Just be careful of those open ditches if you’re blogging while walking.
| 639 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:35:28am |
re: #626 jim in virginia
Actually I thought it was the week after next - but that was only because the Chinese promised to join the UAW!
| 640 |
ladycatnip Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:35:28am |
#612 nyc redneck
…especially after he said in his cairo speech to the moslem world: that it is part of his responsibility as potus to fight against negative stereotypes of islam where ever they appear.
i just can’t get over how chilling that is.
Yeah, that got zero mention in the media.
I’m wondering when that became the responsibility of POTUS. Must be somewhere in his oath of office: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States fight against negative stereotypes of islam where ever they appear.”
We all missed that one.
| 641 |
jacksontn Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:36:53am |
re: #612 nyc redneck
it is very sobering how o is relishing in his new found courage to emphasize his moslem roots, middle name and islamic bias. i hope this is opening eyes in america. his shift to embrace that part of his background so quickly after he WON,
should be a wake up call to question his motives.
especially after he said in his cairo speech to the moslem world: that it is part of his responsibility as potus to fight against negative stereotypes of islam where ever they appear.
i just can’t get over how chilling that is.
Nycred … Who said it? … “X” or “O” …
“America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.”
Have a great day Lizards ! …
| 642 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:37:27am |
i have four bouquets on the table now.
a) an antique canning jar vase w/ german iris
b) a bud vase w/ small old fashioned wild iris
c) nosegay of fragrant violas and pansies
d) a handful of spring wildflowers, buttercups, ox eye daisies, pink daisies and red clover.
maybe i’ll go pick some more. how can you have too many flowers?
| 643 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:37:33am |
re: #631 _RememberTonyC
LOL …. that Beamer was almost as big as Al Gore’s butt.
NOW wait just a minute here - BMW doesn’t make those sized cars anymore - haven’t you seen their ads for the 300 series?!
:)
| 644 |
jim in virginia Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:39:17am |
re: #635 realwest
Hey jim! No kidding - how come you’re up and about at this hour? Don’t y’all usually post around oh, 4:00Am easter?
:)
How are things going for you?
We’re all fine. Daughters finished eighth grade, will be in high school next year. Work is surprisingly busy. I’m training for the Marine Corps Marathon next fall- went out and ran ten miles this mornign. Life is good.
We’re off to a pool party. Stay safe and play nice, lizards.
| 645 |
Occasional Reader Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:39:18am |
re: #640 ladycatnip
#612 nyc redneck
Yeah, that got zero mention in the media.
I have only seen reference to it in the conservative press. I haven’t followed any of the weekend “news roundup” shows; I hope that at least Krauthammer or some other conservative commented on it. It was an absolutely ASTONISHING statement. And of course I’m waiting for the ACLU to start angrily shouting about the Establishment Clause. [crickets]
| 646 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:42:10am |
Good morning, lizards. Did anyone get a call in to CSPAN with questions for Bill Ayers yet? ;-)
| 647 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:42:19am |
re: #634 Bobblehead
Not such good news, given that Geert Wilders party is expected to get 15% and the BNP is apparently picking up at least two seats.
Frack.
| 648 |
itellu3times Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:42:52am |
re: #7 Noam Sayin’
I’ve posted this before, under another title.
When pulled over, the officer will first ask, “May I see your license and registration, please?” Respond quickly and forthrightly as you can with, “I’ll ask the questions here.” If you are not immediately taken out of your car and beaten, you are now in control.
Ask for the cop’s license and registration.
…
I believe it’s called the Bugs BunnyManeuverGambit.
Well, it worked for Clinton in the government shutdown in 1995.
| 650 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:45:11am |
re: #640 ladycatnip
Yep - we all did miss that one and it’s especially shameful that we (LGFers I mean) did!
/
| 652 |
humpty dumpty was pushed Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:45:31am |
G`morning, peeps. As tiny electric cars and hybrids proliferate the road there are some safety issues that helpful citizens should be aware of. If you roll up on an accident and render aid to the unfortunate occupants of a wrecked green machine, thanks. Just know that these cars can be in “drive” and ready to take of with a touch of the accelerator pedal even though the car is silent. No engine noise can lull the good samaritan into believing the ignition is off. An inadvertent foot on the pedal can send the car on its way and you could get waddwd up into a ball. If you`re leaning in the open door to help please make sure the ignition is off so you live to help another day. :)
| 653 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:46:58am |
re: #642 nyc redneck
Hey nyc redneck “maybe i’ll go pick some more. how can you have too many flowers?”
NO, you can’t! Go get ‘em!
| 655 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:47:51am |
re: #637 opnion
THe disturbing part is that during the campaign it was considered hateful & fear mongering to mention Obama & Islam in the same breath.
His given middle name was off limits.
Now his association with Islam is supposed to be considered a huge positive.
George Orwell would be proud.
isn’t it outrageous how he gets away w/ everything.
how the msm and the left continue to insist he is perfect in all ways.
how he’s not a moslem… . oops, ok, now he’s hussein. it’s ok to say it when he decides it’s ok.
it is so blatantly unfair for any politician in america, even totus, to be revered treated like an adored messianic king.
this hack is going to have really long way to fall. and he will.
| 656 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:49:18am |
re: #646 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey there PBJ - how are you today? And I don’t think any of us tried to call in to C-Span more than once; their phone line was busy, busy, busy!
| 657 |
Bobblehead Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:51:50am |
re: #651 rain of lead
Poor Michelle. No matter how hard she tries she will never be an elegant woman. Much too angry. BTW elegance has nothing to do with beauty or designer clothes, it’s how you carry yourself.
| 659 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:52:28am |
re: #655 nyc redneck
“this hack is going to have really long way to fall. and he will.” Hopefully he’ll take the MSM with him!
| 660 |
opnion Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:52:47am |
re: #655 nyc redneck
isn’t it outrageous how he gets away w/ everything.
how the msm and the left continue to insist he is perfect in all ways.
how he’s not a moslem… . oops, ok, now he’s hussein. it’s ok to say it when he decides it’s ok.
it is so blatantly unfair for any politician in america, even totus, to be revered treated like an adored messianic king.this hack is going to have really long way to fall. and he will.
When Omama engages in double think, his defenders call it “nuanace”
That went on , on the McLaughlin Group last night with Elenor Clift.
The implication is that if you don’t undrstand this nuanced president, then you are pretty stupid.
| 661 |
itellu3times Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:53:02am |
Government Motors tshirt
“in soviet Amerika, the car drives YOU … bankrupt”
| 662 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:54:12am |
re: #640 ladycatnip
#612 nyc redneck
Yeah, that got zero mention in the media.
I’m wondering when that became the responsibility of POTUS. Must be somewhere in his oath of office: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability,
preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United Statesfight against negative stereotypes of islam where ever they appear.”We all missed that one.
Remember he took two oaths, the public one and then a very private one that “corrected” the mistakes of the first one.
/ troofer talk, but the two oaths did happen.
| 663 |
lincolntf Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:54:55am |
Here’s a funny column from Howie Carr. It’s Mass-centric, but the descriptions are universal to hackdoms everywhere.
Field Guide to Hacks.
| 664 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:55:20am |
re: #656 realwest
Hey there PBJ - how are you today? And I don’t think any of us tried to call in to C-Span more than once; their phone line was busy, busy, busy!
That figures. Wish somebody could get through, though.
| 665 |
realwest Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:56:40am |
re: #664 Pvt Bin Jammin
What? You don’t really think they’d let us ask Billy Boy Ayers the kinds of questions we’d like to, do you?!
| 666 |
loup-garou Sun, Jun 7, 2009 9:57:46am |
re: #636 Occasional Reader
i am a atheist also. as for the communist relapsing the coffee drinker hipster i get your point. but i would say communist is another form of faith with its own saviors and betrayers, saints. Just look at the early Russian revolution.
cheers
| 667 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:00:06am |
re: #651 rain of lead
LOL, i knew this photo would be abt. wab.
look at her stern cold face.
like stone.
there is no warmth there. no kindness. no softness.
just an obvious harsh curiosity and jealousy as she sneaks a look at a woman so much more attractive than she could ever be.
it ain’t easy bein’ sasquatch.
| 668 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:02:34am |
re: #660 opnion
When Omama engages in double think, his defenders call it “nuanace”
That went on , on the McLaughlin Group last night with Elenor Clift.
The implication is that if you don’t undrstand this nuanced president, then you are pretty stupid.
wow, i must be the ‘stupidest’ person on earth, then.
(please no updings)
| 669 |
avanti Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:03:09am |
re: #667 nyc redneck
LOL, i knew this photo would be abt. wab.
look at her stern cold face.
like stone.
there is no warmth there. no kindness. no softness.
just an obvious harsh curiosity and jealousy as she sneaks a look at a woman so much more attractive than she could ever be.it ain’t easy bein’ sasquatch.
Why the hatred toward the first lady, especially her looks ? She is not a policy maker, just the wife of the POTUS and the mother of his children. She’s even more popular then the POTUS except with some on the right.
| 670 |
Macker Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:06:09am |
re: #626 jim in virginia
IIRC Pelosi promised the Chinese last week that Congress would enact paygo.
No more deficit spending.
Promise. Really. Next week.
Let’s see, that can be filed with the following:
“The check is in the mail.”
“I was only following orders.”
“Honey, I promise not to come in your mouth.”
| 671 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:10:57am |
re: #669 avanti
Why the hatred toward the first lady, especially her looks ? She is not a policy maker, just the wife of the POTUS and the mother of his children. She’s even more popular then the POTUS except with some on the right.
her anger is reflected in her face. the furrowed brow, the scowl, the frown, that set massive jaw. she is an ethnic and racial grievance monger w/ a huge chip on her shoulder regarding all the wrongs she has suffered at the hands of the powers that be in this evil capitalistic racist nation. twenty yrs. in rev wrong’s hate church has reinforced every angry thought she has ever had. she clings to a victim status and shows no appreciation for any of the incredible opportunities she was afforded from a country she despises.
that kind of personality would make even the most attractive person unappealing and unattractive.
| 673 |
avanti Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:14:48am |
re: #671 nyc redneck
her anger is reflected in her face. the furrowed brow, the scowl, the frown, that set massive jaw. she is an ethnic and racial grievance monger w/ a huge chip on her shoulder regarding all the wrongs she has suffered at the hands of the powers that be in this evil capitalistic racist nation. twenty yrs. in rev wrong’s hate church has reinforced every angry thought she has ever had. she clings to a victim status and shows no appreciation for any of the incredible opportunities she was afforded from a country she despises.
that kind of personality would make even the most attractive person unappealing and unattractive.
Unbelievable, one picture, a moment frozen in time with a cameras shutter and that tells you all of that, As far as her past comments and associations, I’ll judge her on her actions as first lady.
| 674 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:14:57am |
re: #669 avanti
btw, i don’t hate her at all.
she is obviously a very unhappy person.
but you can see how it is difficult to have much empathy for her.
| 675 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:17:53am |
re: #673 avanti
Unbelievable, one picture, a moment frozen in time with a cameras shutter and that tells you all of that, As far as her past comments and associations, I’ll judge her on her actions as first lady.
LOL, you honestly think someone who has spent her whole life being a racist hate monger is going to change because she in now first lady. has not happened.
she has toned down most of her campaign rhetoric but she has not changed.
| 676 |
avanti Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:23:08am |
re: #675 nyc redneck
LOL, you honestly think someone who has spent her whole life being a racist hate monger is going to change because she in now first lady. has not happened.
she has toned down most of her campaign rhetoric but she has not changed.
OK, you answered my question, I was just trying to understand the extremes of the feeling about her. She’s nearly the most popular first lady in recent history, but those that don’t like her, really don’t.
| 677 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:29:57am |
re: #657 Bobblehead
Poor Michelle. No matter how hard she tries she will never be an elegant woman. Much too angry. BTW elegance has nothing to do with beauty or designer clothes, it’s how you carry yourself.
And too little class.
| 678 |
ladycatnip Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:31:22am |
| 679 |
Honcho Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:35:45am |
Excellent program on History Channel— paleolithic hunters and fossilization. A respite from it’s recent Unexplained Mysteries crap.
| 680 |
ladycatnip Sun, Jun 7, 2009 10:54:35am |
#657 Bobblehead
Poor Michelle. No matter how hard she tries she will never be an elegant woman. Much too angry. BTW elegance has nothing to do with beauty or designer clothes, it’s how you carry yourself.
Absolutely a timeless axiom - beauty and elegance come from within. “As a man thinks in his heart - so he is.” Proverbs 23:7
#673 avanti
Unbelievable, one picture, a moment frozen in time with a cameras shutter and that tells you all of that, As far as her past comments and associations, I’ll judge her on her actions as first lady.
Here’s another axiom for ya - a picture is worth a thousand words.
| 681 |
John Neverbend Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:27:15am |
re: #543 BlueCanuck
Yes but the Governor Generals are direct representatives of the Queen. So in Merry Old England they talk directly to her majesty.
Not, apparently, in this case. Sir John did not consult the Queen.
| 682 |
quickjustice Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:38:00am |
re: #551 Flyers1974
I’m in NYC, but licensed in both NY and PA.
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Ojoe Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:39:56am |
re: #560 MandyManners
Yes, if you are talking about air movement. But heat also radiates omnidirectionally. For a good review of all this, see the book “How Buildings Work” by Edward Allen
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