Babylon sister... shake it!

Thank god, I thought I would never last till this point.

Who was Donald Fagen's weedman?

Steely Dan smoked some good stuff.

Give her some funked up music, she treats you nice
Feed her some hungry reggae, she'll love you twice
The girls don't seem to care tonight
As long as the mood is right

FM - no static at all

- Steely Dan, "FM"

Aja - Steely Dan

Mmmm, cupcake.

All the drummers (wannabes too) will recognize this song (off the like-titled album) as one of the pinnacle achievements in Steve Gadd's illustrious career. Every time I listen to that song it sends a percussionist shiver down my spine (in 16th notes). :)

To the flouncers in the last thread,

I don't care anymore
Why you run around
Break away
Just when it
Seems so clear
That it's
Over now
Drink your big black cow
And get out of here

- Steely Dan, "Black Cow"

BTW, good choice, Steely Dan. Very good, and very listenable.

On the fire lines

Amazing pictures.

re: #7 Leeav

All the drummers (wannabes too) will recognize this song (off the like-titled album) as one of the pinnacle achievements in Steve Gadd's illustrious career. Every time I listen to that song it sends a percussionist shiver down my spine (in 16th notes). :)

Who did the guitar work on the song Aja? Was it Baxter? Ritenour? Carlton?

There is so much crazy in the world now, on the left, on the right,
in government institutions, walking about on the street, driving on the freeways, in conversations, on the media, that I'd feel almost alone without this place. I mostly lurk, but am thankful for the generally reasoned and polite discourse here.

re: #2 BlueCanuck

Nice.
Also see: Blind Faith - Presence Of The Lord

I actually visited Hyde Park Because of this clip.

re: #12 HypnoToad

You are the best, HypnoToad. Everybody loves HypnoToad. All hail!

re: #12 HypnoToad

There is so much crazy in the world now, on the left, on the right,
in government institutions, walking about on the street, driving on the freeways, in conversations, on the media, that I'd feel almost alone without this place. I mostly lurk, but am thankful for the generally reasoned and polite discourse here.

Screw you, you Commie Bastard !

///

One of the issues that really disgusted me about Van Jones which as far as I could tell got ZERO mention in this recent brouhaha was how rabidly anti-Israel he was, to the extent of becoming one of those on-the-scene pro-Palestinian "reporters"/propagandists in the West Bank sent there by the Stalinist radio station KPFA. He also joined in with the frothing maniacs of Students for Justice in Palestine in several "actions," including an infamous one in which they hijacked a Holocaust Remembrance Day and took over the protest site by force and then read kaddish for all the victims of the the murderous Jews.

I witnessed myself that second incident, shortly before I made the conversion to the zombie persona. In fact, it was one of the things that pushed me away from moonbathood.

Much of his vicious anti-Israel (borderline anti-Semitic, it seemed to me) beliefs are now forgotten, but there is some remaining evidence.

For example, there's this page at Indy Media with a transcript of one of his broadcasts from Palestine:
(Indy media redirects LGF links: here's the URL w/spaces for pasting: )
http:// www. indybay .org/newsitems/2002/12/30/15558891.php

20:27 Dennis: now w Van Jones of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in San Francisco.. Van: I came to the holy land to get a view of the human rights situation.. I was totally unprepared.. THE WORST RACIAL PRACTICES OF THE LAST CENTURY ARE PRESENT HERE, IN SHOCKING COMBINATION.. Arab citizens under a pass situation like apartheid.. about the harrassment of an Arab American in our group at the airport.. people in the US don't have a clear view of what is going on.. like 'settlements'.. 30,000 people in massive cities, with Burger Kings and malls, and defended with the whole might of the Israeli army.. wholesale demolition of Palestinian homes.. the US supporting the whole mess.. to see it.. to see what it means for Arab people is really really distressing.. Dennis: US media shows Israel backed into a corner.. Van: I came over here very concerned about Israeli children living in fear.. nobody is winning here.. WHAT I'VE SEEN HERE GOES FAR BEYOND WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR SAFETY.. ABSOLUTE HOUSE ARREST FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN A CITY.. 24/7 FOR WEEKS AT A TIME.. NONE OF THIS COULD RATIONALLY BE CONCEIVED OF AS DEFENCE.. I HAVE BEEN A LIFELONG OPPONENT OF ANTI-SEMITISM.. NOW NOT TO SPEAK OUT HERE IS ANTI-SEMITIC.. WE OWE IT TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.. AND PALESTINE.. TO PUT AN END TO THESE KIND OF ABUSES.. THERE IS NO DIVISION BETWEEN US POLICY TOWARD IRAQ AND TOWARD ISRAEL-PALESTINE.. THE US GOVERNMENT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF SANITY.. to push Iraq into a corner and threaten it with massive war.. we need new leadership in Tel Aviv and Washington.

(The one I heard on the radio seemed much worse, however.)

There was one sympathetic account of the SJP incident where Van Jones helped to usurp Holocaust Remembrance Day:

The Israel supporters seemed merely scornful of the Palestinian speakers; it took one of their own to infuriate them. When Micah Beazant, a young Jewish kid with a skinny build and a tremulous voice, spoke of his family's Holocaust casualties, decried the practice of labeling anti-Zionist critics "self-hating Jews," and recited the Kaddish prayer for dead Palestinians, the Zionists began screaming. "Shame on you!" "Sacrilege!" "The next Holocaust is gonna be because of you!"

Van Jones, the celebrity lawyer for the Bay Area radical left, soon got into an argument with one of the hecklers. "You're interrupting prayers," he scolded. "You make yourselves look very bad."

"This is our day of remembrance, and you're demeaning all of us," the heckler retorted. "Why pick this day?"

I've never seen a report on this infamous day from the pro-Israel side, but from what I witnessed, it was stomach-churning.

re: #10 Racer X

God Bless the firefighters.

Recent activity from Justin's father (shitmydadsays):

"Everybody loves that Da Vinci code book. Bullshit, it sucks. I read it. It's for all the dummies."

"I'm having a Makers Mark, you want one? What? 7up? I ain't mixing fucking makers with 7up. Might as well put a lil' fucking umbrella in it"

“You touched that god damned biscuit. Bullshit, I saw you touch it….I don’t give a shit about your evidence, this isn’t a court of law."

"It's just a fucking june bug, calm down. Jesus Christ, what happens when something bigger than a testicle attacks you?" (My fav of the batch)

"What are you listening to?...I know who Hall & Oates are god dammit. It's the mustache guy and the gay man."

"I just did an hour on the gym machine. I'm sweaty and I have to shit. Where's my fannypack, this workout is over."

Just got back from the most miserable huckleberrying trip I have ever been on. Rained, but we can't come back next weekend, so we stuck it out and now we have 3 quarts of huckleberries, the food of the gods.

Just throwing this out to see if anyone else is a huckleberry fan.

re: #18 Pianobuff

LMAO

Sorry for the double-post at comment #16 above with previous dead thread. Accidentally pasted it in twice.

re: #21 zombie

'Tis OK. We're all human.

(Well, those of us who aren't un-dead.)

re: #19 EmmmieG

Just got back from the most miserable huckleberrying trip I have ever been on. Rained, but we can't come back next weekend, so we stuck it out and now we have 3 quarts of huckleberries, the food of the gods.

Just throwing this out to see if anyone else is a huckleberry fan.

I'm your huckleberry

/couldn't resist

Hmmm, when it rains it pours. bbiab, other things happening.

BTW KT, great song and sound.

Awesome view now from the Mt. Wilson towercam of the station fire. Notice the ash on the 100" dome. Lucky me might get to help clean it up in a few weeks.Your text to link...

I have a feeling that within the next 6 months, 90% of the people who voted for Obama will have real difficulties looking in the mirror every morning...

Traveling music for Jones?
Nah, actually I just like the song...and the name of the group. State Radio.

re: #23 SurferDoc

I'm your huckleberry

/couldn't resist

I don't think anyone will hound you for it.

re: #19 EmmmieG

Marionberries!
Got a bunch of them on a trip to Oregon last month. Like the best blackberries ever, only ginormous.

re: #23 SurferDoc

Just for the record, I had a bet going with myself about whether Doc Holliday or Huckleberry Hound would pop up first

Holliday wins.

re: #29 tradewind

Marionberries!
Got a bunch of them on a trip to Oregon last month. Like the best blackberries ever, only ginormous.

Yes, but you can buy Marionberries (which, for the non-Oregonized of you, are named after Marion county) at the farmer's market. Huckleberries you have to go find.

re: #30 EmmmieG

Just for the record, I had a bet going with myself about whether Doc Holliday or Huckleberry Hound would pop up first

Holliday wins.

He usually did.

re: #26 StudSupreme

I have a feeling that within the next 6 months, 90% of the people who voted for Obama will have real difficulties looking in the mirror every morning...

You may be underestimating the human organisms' tolerance for cognitive dissonance.

re: #25 HypnoToad

Have them clean the video cam glass also. Lots of speckles on it. Noticeable on the night shots.

re: #31 EmmmieG

Well, considering the bees, the hot sun, and the birds squawking at us as we picked 'em, I wish I had known. Would'a bought 'em.
But it was a fun day anyhow. We bought some huckleberry jam that the pick 'em farm sold.

re: #28 Van Helsing

I don't think anyone will hound you for it.

My favorite was Auggie Doggie and Doggie Daddy. Dogs Playing Poker with cartoon dogs.

re: #35 tradewind

Well, considering the bees, the hot sun, and the birds squawking at us as we picked 'em, I wish I had known. Would'a bought 'em.
But it was a fun day anyhow. We bought some huckleberry jam that the pick 'em farm sold.

At my local farmer's market, you can buy really big blackberries and marion berries. You can even get a mixed flat.

re: #26 StudSupreme

Probably most of them are totally unaware that there's any controversy surrounding his coterie.

re: #36 Silvergirl

Sure, yeah, everything was going fine, and then Dogbert walked into the room, his little tail wagging.

re: #25 HypnoToad

Awesome view now from the Mt. Wilson towercam of the station fire. Notice the ash on the 100" dome. Lucky me might get to help clean it up in a few weeks.Your text to link...

Compare that image to this one.

re: #37 EmmmieG

We picked them, and I had to admit I couldn't believe how cheap berries are when you pick them yourself. Raspberries, marions, and blueberries.
I guess most of the cost must be labor.

Thanks, Charles.

re: #36 Silvergirl

My favorite was Auggie Doggie and Doggie Daddy. Dogs Playing Poker with cartoon dogs.

Fond memories of those, too. Muttley was great.

re: #43 Van Helsing

Fond memories of those, too. Muttley was great.

Snicker.

re: #41 tradewind

We picked them, and I had to admit I couldn't believe how cheap berries are when you pick them yourself. Raspberries, marions, and blueberries.
I guess most of the cost must be labor.

Well, the cost of huckleberries is the gas to get to them, but strawberries are a bargain. I missed blueberry season this year because the best time (for me) to pick was during some 100 plus days. No dice. We just eat marions and raspberries, so I just buy them a few pints at a time.

Regardless of why and how Van Jones resigned, I am wondering how long it will take him to make some completely un-hinged comments.

Sharmuta, you and I have interacted on a friendly basis for quite a while. Come what may, those will always be fond memories to me, we had a lot of good times and conversations; we were very honest at times with one another. In that spirit I have to tell you I find this campaign against Zombie which apparently you have joined to be profoundly disturbing.

OT: for you all watching the fires in So Cal - one of the firefighters on the Jesusita Fire is also one of the best distance runners coming out of high school in California this year. His summer job is being on fire crew, he'z supposed to start at Cal Poly this Fall.

Van Jones, the celebrity lawyer for the Bay Area radical left,

Shouldn't that have been a major clue stick for Obama's vetters right there?

re: #44 Silvergirl

He DID snicker rather well!

re: #40 Racer X

Compare that image to this one.

I like your picture a lot more. I will be quite some time before the observatory is back to normal operation. That ash gets everywhere!

re: #48 slokat

Yeah! Thanks for the info!

The Princess got home from her festivities. I can go to bed now.

Sweet dreams!

re: #49 tradewind

Shouldn't that have been a major clue stick for Obama's vetters right there?

You would think.

re: #47 MrPaulRevere

You should be disturbed, but it's not because of me, my friend.

re: #54 TheMatrix31

I just now realized that Jones co-founded Color of Change...
So regardless of Beck's couth or lack of it, at least I understand part of the reason why he went after him so hard.
' It wasn't personal, it was just bidness ', as Tony Soprano would say.

Perhaps the biggest problem with Van Jones, that he is a pseudoscience whack-job affiliated with the batshit crazy Institute for Noetic Sciences, will go unnoticed as he stacks up the usual lecture/book fortune portraying himself as a victim of right-wing persecution.

Take for example the comment above. Racer X asked why I dinged it down on the thread below (and I downdinged it here too), so I told him:

I don't see why a young Jewish boy getting attacked for his position by being told things like:

"The next Holocaust is gonna be because of you!"

should be less stomach churning than Van Jones defending the kid.

If you'd like to know more, Archie, I can bring an avalanche.

re: #49 tradewind

Shouldn't that have been a major clue stick for Obama's vetters right there?

More like a resume enhancer...

re: #47 MrPaulRevere

I also updinged you for your honesty with me. I appreciate that. And I will continue to deal honestly with you because I've always respected you, and I have nothing to hide.

re: #58 Sharmuta

As I mentioned, that published report of the 2002 incident was overly sympathetic to the Palestinian side. The vituperativeness and barely-suppressed violence of what went that day still haunts me -- it felt like almost like a revolution. Jewish students were trembling afterward. Unbelievable things were said and epithets were hurls from the SJP side toward to the Jews which were not in that report. It is an infamous incident. That one comment from a pro-Israel student focused on in the article was perhaps over-heated, but the whole atmosphere felt like a pogrom was brewing. This sense was not conveyed by the reporter. It was extremely stomach-churning.

re: #60 Sharmuta

Thanks, honesty is the key indeed. I have noticed over the past 6 weeks or so a disciplined campaign to discredit Zombie personally and his/her work generally. Yeah, I have a massive problem with that.

re: #59 Fenway_Nation

Sucks for us.
Oh well, elections do have consequences.

re: #47 MrPaulRevere

Sharmuta, you and I have interacted on a friendly basis for quite a while. Come what may, those will always be fond memories to me, we had a lot of good times and conversations; we were very honest at times with one another. In that spirit I have to tell you I find this campaign against Zombie which apparently you have joined to be profoundly disturbing.

What campaign? Criticism or disagreement does not a 'campaign' make.

Some would say that the absence of criticism or a prohibition on it makes for an echo chamber. Hardly LGF's style.

re: #59 Fenway_Nation

More like a resume enhancer...

/The White House knew all about Van Jones

Hi Sharm.

I am late, but I have something up on the Conflict of Visions book thread.

Seems that I missed some excitement on the main threads while I was away.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

Glad to see the scum-bag gone.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

www.youtube.com...]>

/The White House knew all about Van Jones

Shocking.

A candidate for the spin-offs:

Mr Muscle

WHY are men’s muscles so much bigger than women’s? Partly, of course, because men do the fighting and hunting. But also, perhaps, because women like men who can do these things well, and are thus attracted to muscular men. Both phenomena—competing with members of the same sex and showing off to members of the opposite—are subject to a form of evolution known as sexual selection.

...

The main characteristic of sexually selected features is that they are expensive to maintain. Since, whether competing or attracting, only the best will do, resources get piled into them, almost regardless of the consequences. In a study just published in Evolution and Human Behavior, Dr Lassek and Dr Gaulin show that this crucial characteristic is true for men’s muscles.

Their data came from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which followed 12,000 American men and women over the course of six years. They found that men require 50% more calories than women do, even after adjusting for activity levels, and that their muscle mass is the strongest predictor of their intake of calories—stronger than their occupation or their body-mass index (a measure of obesity). And there is another cost to being muscly: men’s immune systems are less effective than those of women (which was known before), and become worse the more muscular the men are (which was not).

The benefits, however, were there, as well. The more muscular a man, the more sexual partners he reported, both in the past year and over his lifetime, and the earlier his first sexual experience was likely to have been. This may, in part, be a result of the ability of muscular men to intimidate 97lb weaklings. But in a society where extreme forms of such intimidation are curbed by law, female choice seems as likely an explanation—especially as previous studies have confirmed scientifically the everyday observation that women do indeed prefer men with big biceps and triangular torsos.

...

re: #65 Killian Bundy

Maybe they're looking at this first year as ' run it up the flagpole and see who salutes'/ how much can we get away with. Or they just vastly overestimated the amount of political capital in the TOTUS account.

re: #66 Syrah

Wonderful- I'll reply.

re: #70 tradewind

Maybe they're looking at this first year as ' run it up the flagpole and see who salutes'/ how much can we get away with. Or they just vastly overestimated the amount of political capital in the TOTUS account.

How would that be any different than the real capital in Social Security, Medicaid, the Post Office or other almost-broke gov't programs and agencies that they overestimated?

I see some referrals from Ace of Spades to the resignation thread; I just don't care any more to even read his bullshit. He's burned his last bridge with me.

re: #68 TheMatrix31

Shocking.

Not really, they're not stupid. Van Jones didn't just accidentally end up on the White House staff.

/these are the type of people they're looking to recruit

re: #74 Killian Bundy

Not really, they're not stupid. Van Jones didn't just accidentally end up on the White House staff.

/these are the type of people they're looking to recruit

I know, I forgot the sarcasm tag lol.

You know what's really depressing? Not being able to tell the difference between someone who is having a drunken, nervous breakdown, and a violent schizophrenic who will stab you in the neck with a petrified piece of Kentucky Fried Chicken the moment you utter the first syllable of the word "purple".

Damn. That shit smarts.

OT and im really embarrased to ask this- i am computer challenged--i need to find an email for a relative- i have a snail mail address-where do i find him?

re: #19 EmmmieG

Just got back from the most miserable huckleberrying trip I have ever been on. Rained, but we can't come back next weekend, so we stuck it out and now we have 3 quarts of huckleberries, the food of the gods.

Just throwing this out to see if anyone else is a huckleberry fan.

I don't believe I have ever even seen a huckleberry. What do they look like?

President Hamid Karzai takes 100% of votes in opposition stronghold

In the southern Afghan district of Shorabak, the tribesmen gathered shortly before last month’s presidential election to discuss which candidate they would back. After a debate they chose to endorse Abdullah Abdullah, President Hamid Karzai’s leading opponent.

The tribal leaders prepared to deliver a landslide for Abdullah – but it never happened. They claim Ahmed Wali Karzai, the president’s brother and leader of the Kandahar provincial council, detained the local governor and closed all the district’s 46 polling sites on election day.

The ballot boxes were taken back to the district headquarters where, tribal leaders allege, they were stuffed with ballots by local policemen. A total of 23,900 ballots were finally sent off to Kabul, the capital – every one of them a vote for Karzai.

The alleged fraud, which Ahmed Wali Karzai denies, was the most blatant example among hundreds of incidents that have threatened to make a mockery of the election.

/just great, we're fighting and dying so they can hold elections and this is the thanks we get

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't believe I have ever even seen a huckleberry. What do they look like?

You need a huckleberry friend to tell you that!

re: #37 EmmmieG

At my local farmer's market, you can buy really big blackberries and marion berries. You can even get a mixed flat.

I used to pick salmonberries when we went camping when I was kid. Good stuff.

re: #74 Killian Bundy

Fact of the matter.

re: #73 Charles

I see some referrals from Ace of Spades to the resignation thread; I just don't care any more to even read his bullshit. He's burned his last bridge with me.

Read a lot like the stalker site including the complete lack of substance. I see Rawmuse is in there with that bunch.

re: #80 zombie

You need a huckleberry friend to tell you that!

Andy Williams?

re: #84 Silvergirl

Andy Williams?

Well, Johnny Mercer and Henry Mancini. Andy was just the singer.

And on that "note" -- I'm off to see the world.
Ciao.

re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth

You know what's really depressing? Not being able to tell the difference between someone who is having a drunken, nervous breakdown, and a violent schizophrenic who will stab you in the neck with a petrified piece of Kentucky Fried Chicken the moment you utter the first syllable of the word "purple".

Damn. That shit smarts.

I hate it when that happens, you don't know who trust.

memories-50 yrs ago-when my daddy went fishing and took me with him alonf the hudson river - i picked blackberries--i miss my dad and ny

re: #69 freetoken

LOL!
I read that in "The Economist" earlier today. Enjoyed the Vladimir Putin picture that went along with it.

re: #85 zombie

Moon River.

re: #77 mikeymom

Try Googling the name. The snail mail & the email aren't related at all. Google is your best bet. Or, silly, the telephone? ;)

re: #90 BatGuano

Moon River.

one of my fav movies--picnic-wm holden- kim novak

re: #83 Gus 802

Read a lot like the stalker site including the complete lack of substance. I see Rawmuse is in there with that bunch.

Ace o'Spades really ought to just be called Piece O'Shit.

re: #89 Floral Giraffe

I figure there had to be a reason I go to the gym several times a week.

I must confess though... the opposite gender seemed most attracted to me when I was at my thinnest (and thin I was, for dancing).

re: #92 mikeymom

IIrc, one scene in picnic, the girls and boys showers are next to each other and a girl is trying to watch William Holden shower until her friends pull her away. Old memory, might not be accurate.:)

re: #95 BatGuano

hmm--i recall that when he wasm hiding from police, he was hiding under a waterfall

re: #93 iceweasel

Ice, a proper young lady calls it POS. Decorum,decorum toujours, decorum. :)

re: #87 Bagua

I hate it when that happens, you don't know who trust.

Certainly not those Shar Pei. You know they work for the ChiComs, right?

In homes all across America, they arf assessing the levels of dried goods and plastic containers possessed by gawt-fearing patriots, and reporting back to their pinko masters.

Wake up! Hide your Cheerios and Zip-Loc baggies. This is serious business!

re: #96 mikeymom

You are probably right. It has been a few years since I have seen it. 37 is a few years isn't it?. ;

re: #97 BatGuano

Ice, a proper young lady calls it POS. Decorum,decorum toujours, decorum. :)

You assume too much! With Ice it remains l'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace!

Hopefully, she fares better than Danton did...

;-)

re: #95 BatGuano

the reason i love that movie is--in real life, i sort of did the same thing. my parents gave me an ultimatum--here i am 42 yrs later with mikeydad--

re: #93 iceweasel

Ace o'Spades really ought to just be called Piece O'Shit.

As usual they're not discussing the issue. Lack of understanding, no eye for nuance, ramifications, etc. Instead it's largely focused on LGF. You think they would at least be applauding this resignation but I'm sure that's just of a reflection of a state of chronic anger.

I don't think one can even call it anti-intellectual. With anti-intellectualism one has to at least have a slight grasp of basic intellectual tasks.

re: #102 Gus 802

It's pure rage. Ace-hole is likely starved for traffic and a Charles Derangement Syndrome thread or two or seven can really bring a bump. It's sad. A psychologist could make a case study of this pathetic phenomenon.

re: #100 austin_blue

I was thing more of the Frederick the Great quote. I know she will fare better than Danton!

re: #104 BatGuano

'Thinking". PIMF

re: #102 Gus 802

As usual they're not discussing the issue. Lack of understanding, no eye for nuance, ramifications, etc. Instead it's largely focused on LGF. You think they would at least be applauding this resignation but I'm sure that's just of a reflection of a state of chronic anger.

I don't think one can even call it anti-intellectual. With anti-intellectualism one has to at least have a slight grasp of basic intellectual tasks.

Why should one applaud the resignation? Look, I don't care what his past was. I believe that people can grow up and change. If past or present Liberal leanings were enough to disqualify you from this board, it would be a lonely place. And that is a *good* thing.

Was he good at his job? Did he provide value for the taxpayer's dollar? What else should matter? Those are the only metrics I care about. Performance.

re: #103 Sharmuta

It's pure rage. Ace-hole is likely starved for traffic and a Charles Derangement Syndrome thread or two or seven can really bring a bump. It's sad. A psychologist could make a case study of this pathetic phenomenon.

Right. It's a pathology that reads a lot like an obsession. Perhaps it's also mixed in with a form of postpartum? That might not be the right word.

re: #106 austin_blue

So you think his belief systems will not inform his performance and his leadership?

re: #104 BatGuano

I was thing more of the Frederick the Great quote. I know she will fare better than Danton!

Actually, it was Danton's quote. Everyone "knows" it was Frederick the Great's quote because of Patton, but it was misattributed.

re: #106 austin_blue

Why should one applaud the resignation? Look, I don't care what his past was. I believe that people can grow up and change. If past or present Liberal leanings were enough to disqualify you from this board, it would be a lonely place. And that is a *good* thing.

Was he good at his job? Did he provide value for the taxpayer's dollar? What else should matter? Those are the only metrics I care about. Performance.

That they would applaud it. Which they seemingly were or at least that was the objective of their post. I'm said that seeing it from within the context of that group.

re: #110 Gus 802

That they would applaud it. Which they seemingly were or at least that was the objective of their post. I I'm said that seeing it from within the context of that group.

PIMF

re: #107 Gus 802

Right. It's a pathology that reads a lot like an obsession. Perhaps it's also mixed in with a form of postpartum? That might not be the right word.

Paranoid personality disorder.

Wow.. just popped over to Ace to see what's been going on. What acidic, ignorant hatred... against Charles, LGF, and common sense.

Ace needs to clean that shit up.

re: #113 astronmr20

He's encouraging it.

re: #113 astronmr20

I'm a LUCKY internet newbie. Stumbeled upon LGF & can't handle anything less. AoS was just a PIT, IMHO. Sludge, would be putting it nicely.

re: #109 austin_blue

I stand corrected. Thank you! I try hard not to get my history from popular culture. :)

re: #112 Sharmuta

Paranoid personality disorder.

Right. Bullying personalities as well. Saw two racist comments fly by in the thread in question which resulted in two of several bans. Much deserved.

It's an odd phenomenon that LGF, the tiny few people who hang here, and the horribly diminishing numbers of people visiting here every day...

*cough*
At 1:02 AM, Pacific Time.

Now Online: 1,205
Logged in: 134
Today
Page Views: 15,140
Visits: 8,470
Yesterday
Page Views: 99,120
Visits: 69,790

*cough*

...are all so insignificant as to be mentioned so many times, by so many different politically minded factions, everyday, and with so many amounts of hatred and love.

Truly, Charles is a failure as a bloghost, and LGF is a failure as a blog.
///

re: #114 Sharmuta

He's encouraging it.

Well, at risk of lowering the discourse, he's a frikking idiot. Reading the comments and it's idiocy such as,

"Charles Johnson weeps!"

"Take that Charles!"

...and other "personal" attacks against LGF members.

It's as if NONE of them actually read what Charles wrote, or even have half a brain.

//sorry for dragging it all up, but it's disappointing. I used to visit that place frequently a few years ago and haven't really been back in some time. Seems to be a place where ex-LFG members congregate to bash Charles and work themselves up into a frenzy of stupid.

In other words, it's a place for internet losers.

Yup.. won't be going back there anytime soon.

re: #108 FamHistoryGuy

So you think his belief systems will not inform his performance and his leadership?

Which one? The one he previously held or the one he has today? Reagan in his youth was very Liberal. Again, as I stated, the barkers give no shrift that a person can change, grow, or mature. Would you have a litmus test on membership on this board?

Again, if you want to run government as a business, you must judge an employee on merit. Why is that difficult?

Did you have a problem with Marvin Olansky in the first Bush campaign, a former radical commie? The man whose theory of Compassionate Conservatism was embraced by Rove as the only way Bush could win in a country where the budget was balanced (a surplus!), we were at peace, and everyone was moderately happy? Compassionate Conservatism made Bush all warm and fuzzy. A uniter, not a divider.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #116 BatGuano

I stand corrected. Thank you! I try hard not to get my history from popular culture. :)

You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola Company for that...

I love The Bomb but it's a Strange Love.

re: #119 astronmr20

Yeah- CDS doesn't seem to be a real winning business model.

re: #116 BatGuano

Yes, yes, you will have to answer to the Coca-Cola Corporation.

;-)

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

It's okay, I'm heavily armed. As long as I don't get spritzed in the face with coke.

re: #120 austin_blue

And how is his position different now from then? How has his positions changed? Has he publicly spoken of any changes?

They are melting down over the Jones "resignation" at Kos. Hilarious:

Obama and everyone in his administration have spines of jello.

He couldn't stand behind his words and caved. That's being a fucking coward.

So if we make every last effort and at last succeed, we get Republican APPROVAL?! Oh joy. Let's skip health care altogether if we get that. Maybe Christmas too.
/

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel

Ja. Merkwürdigliebe!

More great stuff from KosKidz over jones:

we thought we were getting something fresh, intelligent and new when Obama came in. I have to admit, I also feel defeated with this resignation. I also hope I buck up soon, but either I don't understand Obama's MOA, or something. Maybe he is weak, on a slow learning curve, maybe he will surprise us in all those wonderful ways. I don't know anymore, and the bitterness I am hearing in these comments I can understand.

Heh.

re: #127 astronmr20

re: #129 astronmr20

Interesting. Ace-hole could be putting up threads mocking the koslings, but instead he's linking here. Pathetic. I'll stop thinking about them for the night.

re: #130 TheMatrix31

Hey, Matrix.

re: #129 astronmr20

More great stuff from KosKidz over jones:

That was bound to happen. People will resign and there's nothing that can stop that: you can't stop someone from quitting. Technically he's just a deputy adviser so it's not like a full blown member of the administration. The more progressive members of the party won't be happy about it but resignations have happened before and while this may have been the result of a circus like atmosphere it's not the end of the world for the Democrats nor does it mean that the Republicans have much power to wield because they don't.

re: #129 astronmr20

Is this "official" Kos or just posters?

re: #134 BatGuano

Is this "official" Kos or just posters?

Just comments.

re: #132 BatGuano

Hey, Matrix.

What's goin on dude?

re: #126 FamHistoryGuy

And how is his position different now from then? How has his positions changed? Has he publicly spoken of any changes?

Aargh! That's the point!

I don't know. You don't know. He was persecuted based on past positions, which may or may not have been relevant today. Did you hold Reagan's past liberalism against him in 1980? Of course not. Did Bush repudiate Olansky's position in 2000 because of his past positions? Of course not. It got him elected.

This witch-hunting is based on the past. Why not judge an employee on their effectiveness in their jobs? Isn't that what you judge any employee on in the real world? We have entered cloud coo-coo land, where whacks can force the removal of an effective public servant on the basis of their past. Nutso.

re: #137 austin_blue

Aargh! That's the point!

I don't know. You don't know. He was persecuted based on past positions, which may or may not have been relevant today. Did you hold Reagan's past liberalism against him in 1980? Of course not. Did Bush repudiate Olansky's position in 2000 because of his past positions? Of course not. It got him elected.

This witch-hunting is based on the past. Why not judge an employee on their effectiveness in their jobs? Isn't that what you judge any employee on in the real world? We have entered cloud coo-coo land, where whacks can force the removal of an effective public servant on the basis of their past. Nutso.

I feel like a person's past influences his mindset, opinions, and values. Those usually effect how someone makes decisions, their personality in daily life as well as professional life.

That's just me I guess.

Some blogs just don't have what it takes to draw large eyeball-numbers. Some bloghosts can't stand the fact LGF does.

Petty bitches, hating the success of others.

If the could use the power of the hatchet to chop all down to their pathetic sizes, they would. Socialists.

re: #136 TheMatrix31

Just havin' some food; learnin'g about history.

re: #140 BatGuano

Just havin' some food; learnin'g about history.

I'm contemplating getting up for some cereal but I'm not sure. Maybe some grapes or something. I just had a bit of watermelon which pissed me off since it was so damn seedy.

re: #141 TheMatrix31

Dude, two words: Pizza!

re: #138 TheMatrix31

I feel like a person's past influences his mindset, opinions, and values. Those usually effect how someone makes decisions, their personality in daily life as well as professional life.

That's just me I guess.

Of course you do, unless it's someone like Reagan or Olansky who comes over to your side of the aisle. Then you welcome them like prodigal sons and past sins are forgiven. You don't see any cognitive dissonance in this? eally?

re: #137 austin_blue

If it were the 60's when he was a full-blown communist,that's one thing. This was a few years ago.

The guy was a nutball.

OK, let's come up with a replacement for "Green Jobs Czar." Ojoe mentioned an architect before. In my mind it would have to be someone like an architect or an engineer with business experience.

re: #137 austin_blue

Glenn Beck said he claimed to be a communist in the 90's. Is that true?

re: #143 austin_blue

Of course you do, unless it's someone like Reagan or Olansky who comes over to your side of the aisle. Then you welcome them like prodigal sons and past sins are forgiven. You don't see any cognitive dissonance in this? eally?

...so Van Jones' fringe kook communist anti-whitey positions are the same as Reagan's younger days in Hollywood?

You can't be serious.

re: #144 astronmr20

If it were the 60's when he was a full-blown communist,that's one thing. This was a few years ago.

The guy was a nutball.

Ah, so now we have time limits? Interesting! Is it ten years? Twenty?

What evidence do you have that he is a nutball today? Oh, that would be none.

Again, why not look at how well they are doing their freaking jobs that they were hired to do?

re: #137 austin_blue

Why did he not defend himself if the posted positions were no longer current? As far as I have seen he has not renounced his prior positions. Obama has stated in his two books that he favored the far left in all his beliefs and his associations. He should have expected a close examination of any people he put in any position.

re: #143 austin_blue

Of course you do, unless it's someone like Reagan or Olansky who comes over to your side of the aisle. Then you welcome them like prodigal sons and past sins are forgiven. You don't see any cognitive dissonance in this? eally?

I can figure out what's forgivable and what isn't. If Reagan had the past that Jones had, I'd have MASSIVE problems with it.

re: #142 BatGuano

Dude, two words: Pizza!

Damn, now you've said it.

re: #146 BatGuano

Glenn Beck said he claimed to be a communist in the 90's. Is that true?

I have no idea and I don't care. Beck apparently thinks that the Bilderberger's and the Trilateral Commission rule this country. How was his job performance in the position in which he was hired?

re: #152 austin_blue

Luckily, there wasn't enough time to find out.

I'm not going to trust someone like that with piles of OUR money to figure out "green jobs," which is a dubious term at best.

Would rather focus on the necessity of such a government job to begin with.

re: #145 Gus 802

OK, let's come up with a replacement for "Green Jobs Czar." Ojoe mentioned an architect before. In my mind it would have to be someone like an architect or an engineer with business experience.

i've got a better question: why the hell do we need a "green j*bs" anything?

re: #152 austin_blue

Thanks for the reply. I apologize for asking.

re: #150 TheMatrix31

I can figure out what's forgivable and what isn't. If Reagan had the past that Jones had, I'd have MASSIVE problems with it.

Can't really compare Reagan with Van Jones. It would have to be an adviser. There's a lot of former communists or socialists that converted on 9/12/2001 so to speak. Similar to Van Jones they might have ascribed to Marxist ideas but they never really went beyond rhetoric.

broken water main in the area... water everywhere, even in people's houses

re: #154 redc1c4

i've got a better question: why the hell do we need a "green j*bs" anything?

I don't think we do however the administration does. They'll find a replacement.

re: #156 Gus 802

Can't really compare Reagan with Van Jones. It would have to be an adviser. There's a lot of former communists or socialists that converted on 9/12/2001 so to speak. Similar to Van Jones they might have ascribed to Marxist ideas but they never really went beyond rhetoric.

some of those conversions are questionable, at best.

re: #154 redc1c4

i've got a better question: why the hell do we need a "green j*bs" anything?

I can think of at least one "green job" I need doing. I am looking to hire someone for the position of planting tu...

Aw, never mind.

re: #157 redc1c4

Water, water everywhere and all the boards did shrink,
Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.

re: #156 Gus 802

Can't really compare Reagan with Van Jones. It would have to be an adviser. There's a lot of former communists or socialists that converted on 9/12/2001 so to speak. Similar to Van Jones they might have ascribed to Marxist ideas but they never really went beyond rhetoric.

I wasn't the one who brought up Reagan's name.

re: #158 Gus 802

I don't think we do however the administration does. They'll find a replacement.

well, i predict they will select for ideology, not competence, and the result will be abject failure, unless the only goal is to waste tax money...

re: #137 austin_blue

Gosh...I feel so petty and narrow-minded for holding Ted Kennedy's bout of vehicular homicide against him. I mean after all...letting MaryJo suffocate in his Olds was in the past.

Come to think of it, maybe I'm reacting too harshly to radical Islam. I mean all those attacka against New York, London, Madrid, Bali, Moscow, Israel, Mumbai, Buenos Aires, Morroco, the Philippines, Beslan or Nairobi were in the past...maybe I should just let it slide...

//

re: #162 TheMatrix31

I wasn't the one who brought up Reagan's name.

I know.

re: #157 redc1c4

Red, sorry I was flippant about it. I didn't mean it. :(

re: #166 BatGuano

Red, sorry I was flippant about it. I didn't mean it. :(

no worries here... *my* house isn't flooded. %-)

re: #148 austin_blue

You seem to misunderstand the term "degree." There is a degree of crazy that Jones jumped into face-first that is miles past any sort of left-leaning that Jones exhibited. It our matches Reagan's. Get it?

Also, you can't equate this to "someone coming over to our side" or not. Jones was still on the "side" he was on 5 years-- being in Obama's admoinistration. That's the point.

This was not about Jones' effectiveness within the administration, it was about Obama being hurt politically by associations with radicals such as Jones. The media ignored this shit during the primary and the election. Obama was emboldened to appoint fringe kooks like Jones. After all, if his friendship and work with Ayers or Rev. Wright couldn't dent him politically, he could appoint his friends with impunity, right? Why not? However, this time it came back to bite him just a bit, and Jones went under the big yellow bus.

Consequently, it was the media's complicity to even scrutinize such things that emboldened this administration to throw any sort of rational vetting process out the window.

re: #163 redc1c4

well, i predict they will select for ideology, not competence, and the result will be abject failure, unless the only goal is to waste tax money...

No doubt they will. The energy secretary has some good qualifications. I go through this with every president however. It gets to the point where I find myself thinking "they'll change, maybe they'll get it right this time." Only it never happens. It did when the change over in Iraq went to General Petraeus and Gates took over the DoD.

re: #167 redc1c4

Thanks Red. "Water everywhere" triggered an old memory. I didn't mean to make light of a serious situation.

most darkly amusing thing about the water main is that its the trunk that supplies what i like to call "Left LA"... all the liberal whiners over there will be suffering, not me. %-)

re: #170 BatGuano

Thanks Red. "Water everywhere" triggered an old memory. I didn't mean to make light of a serious situation.

well, there will be a fair bit of property damage, and major claims against the city, but you'd have to w*rk real hard to drown in this... it's only knee deep in the worst areas

FWIW, Reagan admitted to being a Democrat and explained why he changed.

re: #147 astronmr20

...so Van Jones' fringe kook communist anti-whitey positions are the same as Reagan's younger days in Hollywood?

You can't be serious.

Let's parse that shall we?

"fringe kook anti-whitey positions"

Well. That's a substantial statement, isn't it? But if you drill into it it basically distills down to "Van Jones is a racist. He is also insane." Links?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Now, as to comparing it to Reagan, I never made a comparison with Jones to Reagan in the first place. Really. I compared the *acceptance* of Reagan after his change of heart with the inability of the barkers to conceive that Jones' positions *may* be different today than they were earlier in this decade.

And yes, based on that logical, defensible argument, I am deadly serious, and you are legless.

QED and fuckity-bye.

;-)

Howdy, All. Haven't posted in a while. What's goin' on here at LGF? I got lost in Facebook somewhere.

re: #164 Fenway_Nation

Fenway - dinged you down because you are equating criminal acts or terrorist acts with Van Jone's beliefs, when there has been no criminal, or violent, actions shown in Van Jone's past political activities (that I know of anyway.)

everybody help yourself:

fruitcup is over there --->

get some before it floats away!

(and keep it away from sources of ignition %-)

re: #177 redc1c4

Sources of ignition?.'.Ya' know I had kind of a big dinner..:)

re: #174 austin_blue

Let's parse that shall we?

"fringe kook anti-whitey positions"

Well. That's a substantial statement, isn't it? But if you drill into it it basically distills down to "Van Jones is a racist. He is also insane." Links?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Now, as to comparing it to Reagan, I never made a comparison with Jones to Reagan in the first place. Really. I compared the *acceptance* of Reagan after his change of heart with the inability of the barkers to conceive that Jones' positions *may* be different today than they were earlier in this decade.

And yes, based on that logical, defensible argument, I am deadly serious, and you are legless.

QED and fuckity-bye.

;-)

We could start with his comments about white kids being the only ones instigating shootings in schools, perhaps?

No, it's you who have no leg to stand on. Stop with the straw-man shit. I know what you meant about reagan, and for the third time, it's a matter of degree. Reagan didn't run around bashing Israel and promoting communism.

But I see you don't have the will or the wit to stick around and even learn about Jones or have a discussion. You did the "Bueller?" thing about 2 minutes after my post, then said goodbye.

Troll.

re: #176 freetoken

But as austin_blue so eloquently explained, they were in the past, so it's all copasetic Freetoken.

I mean...who am I to damn 0bama for choosing to associate with the likes of vitriolic America-haters like Wright or Ayers...or criminals like Rezko?

I mean...after all, it's in the past.

and with that, i'm for the rack.

much more excitement this weekend than i had planned for.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

re: #181 redc1c4

and with that, i'm for the rack.
much more excitement this weekend than i had planned for.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

Good night, dude.

re: #180 Fenway_Nation

But as austin_blue so eloquently explained, they were in the past, so it's all copasetic Freetoken.

I mean...who am I to damn 0bama for choosing to associate with the likes of vitriolic America-haters like Wright or Ayers...or criminals like Rezko?

I mean...after all, it's in the past.

Fen, enail me if you have a moment... just add "at sbcglobal dot net" to my nick.

re: #175 rightwinger3

Squabbling, bickering, sniping .,etc

re: #181 redc1c4

G'nite red- and thanks for the volatile fruitcup.

/Immolation is the sincerest form of flattery.

re: #181 redc1c4

G'night Red.

re: #181 redc1c4

Night, Red.

re: #176 freetoken

Fenway - dinged you down because you are equating criminal acts or terrorist acts with Van Jone's beliefs, when there has been no criminal, or violent, actions shown in Van Jone's past political activities (that I know of anyway.)

Interesting. Because then whatever allegations against Jones would then be thought crimes. We put aside objections to Marxism and what do we have? A man that merely espoused objectionable ideas. He was never in a position of Marxist authority. He was never a communist mayor of Town-X responsible for a specific legal or illegal act. He never made laws that affected people lives. The position he resigned from didn't even allow that. Hence you can almost say he was convicted because of his ideology or his thoughts.

re: #177 redc1c4

everybody help yourself:

fruitcup is over there --->

get some before it floats away!

(and keep it away from sources of ignition %-)

Sources of ignition my ass. It should be kept away from sources of cognition. Your brand of fruitcup will make one see things that basic primates were never meant to see.

/which, incidentally, is why I like it

re: #188 Gus 802

He wasn't "convicted,"

This is politics. When you have such fringe beliefs, there are political consequences. That's all.

A self-described communist had a significant say in how a ginormous pile of our money was going to be spent. Americans won't stand for that and it hurts the "one" politically. Thus, under the bus he goes, I guess.

re: #164 Fenway_Nation

Gosh...I feel so petty and narrow-minded for holding Ted Kennedy's bout of vehicular homicide against him. I mean after all...letting MaryJo suffocate in his Olds was in the past.

Come to think of it, maybe I'm reacting too harshly to radical Islam. I mean all those attacka against New York, London, Madrid, Bali, Moscow, Israel, Mumbai, Buenos Aires, Morroco, the Philippines, Beslan or Nairobi were in the past...maybe I should just let it slide...

//

That's unfair. Radical Islam is the greatest threat to the Western World and I am totally on board with this country putting every asset available into fighting it. I'd like to start by starving the Magic Kingdom. It all comes back to Saudi Arabia.

And *that* is a completely different discussion.

By the by, did you ever notice that you can post something as innocuous as, "Ponies are pretty", and get an impassioned argument against ?
/

re: #192 BatGuano

FUCK YOU!

re: #192 BatGuano

By the by, did you ever notice that you can post something as innocuous as, "Ponies are pretty", and get an impassioned argument against ?
/

A pony killed my father!! YOU BASTARD!!!
???

re: #192 BatGuano

By the by, did you ever notice that you can post something as innocuous as, "Ponies are pretty", and get an impassioned argument against ?
/

Fuck ponies.

And penguins, too.

www.fuckyoupenguin.com

re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar

PIMF-///

Wrong link.

Penguins:

[Link: www.fupenguin.com...]

Ponies are so 2008. Unicorns are the way, man. Get on board.

Fuck! I killed a pony once! No, I killed him twice and took his kidney!

re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar

A pony killed my father!! YOU BASTARD!!!

They warned him not to clap.

re: #188 Gus 802

That is part of what is so very disturbing.

Why stop at Van Jones? How many people who work in that office have similar, or otherwise unpopular to the right-o-sphere, opinions on all sorts of topics? Should they be outed too?

Why stop there - heck, let's check all the federal employees. Shall we administer oath tests (to the ideals of the JBS Glenn Beck) for their fitness for employment? After all, what if there is a federal employee somewhere (among the couple of million) who were, gasp, part of a forbidden group on a college campus somewhere!

For all the hand-wringing about Van Jone's offensive (to some) ideology, no one, and I mean no one, has posted an example, even a single one, on how it affected his job. Not a single example of him misallocating funds. Now, there could be some, of course, but there is no evidence to date.

Van Jones did not run for or occupy an elected office.

re: #190 astronmr20

He wasn't "convicted,"

This is politics. When you have such fringe beliefs, there are political consequences. That's all.

A self-described communist had a significant say in how a ginormous pile of our money was going to be spent. Americans won't stand for that and it hurts the "one" politically. Thus, under the bus he goes, I guess.

OK, I should say first that I'm engaging in an early morning intellectual exercise with a couple of drinks under my belt. It is true that the practical result of Jones might be continued federal spending. However, his status an alleged communist would have no legal bearing.

In other words, even a Marxist is protected by the Constitution. A Marxist can even be elected and hold office while they would still have to follow federal, state and local laws. We might not like it but that's the law. The only case of an elected official that comes close it the Socialist governor of Vermont.

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ponies are so 2008. Unicorns are the way, man. Get on board.

Umm... Double check your BAC, and make sure you're not actually chasing after a flea-bitten glue-mare.

/I made that mistake once. Without pants. :(

re: #195 astronmr20

Not pen'gins?

re: #179 astronmr20

We could start with his comments about white kids being the only ones instigating shootings in schools, perhaps?

No, it's you who have no leg to stand on. Stop with the straw-man shit. I know what you meant about reagan, and for the third time, it's a matter of degree. Reagan didn't run around bashing Israel and promoting communism.

But I see you don't have the will or the wit to stick around and even learn about Jones or have a discussion. You did the "Bueller?" thing about 2 minutes after my post, then said goodbye.

Troll.

Oh, dear, I'm a troll? I said Fuckity-bye to your argument. What straw man? What does Israel or Communism have to do with his position today and his job performance in that position? He was forced out by barkers who used a selectively sampled group of statements that may or may not have been taken out of context to insinuate that his present philosophy simply could not have changed over time, as Reagan's and Olansky's did.

This is not political discourse. It is witch hunting. It's unseemly.

re: #201 freetoken

That is part of what is so very disturbing.

Why stop at Van Jones? How many people who work in that office have similar, or otherwise unpopular to the right-o-sphere, opinions on all sorts of topics? Should they be outed too?

Why stop there - heck, let's check all the federal employees. Shall we administer oath tests (to the ideals of the JBS Glenn Beck) for their fitness for employment? After all, what if there is a federal employee somewhere (among the couple of million) who were, gasp, part of a forbidden group on a college campus somewhere!

For all the hand-wringing about Van Jone's offensive (to some) ideology, no one, and I mean no one, has posted an example, even a single one, on how it affected his job. Not a single example of him misallocating funds. Now, there could be some, of course, but there is no evidence to date.

Van Jones did not run for or occupy an elected office.

Exactly. Then we are talking what? McCarthyism perhaps? Are we going down the road of the John Birch Society? Where in the Constitution (which is so frequently touted) does it state that a government employee or elected official must be a member of a specific party? Nowhere. Furthermore, you can't fire someone for being a communist.

re: #202 Gus 802

Indeed, but his rights were not infringed upon, as far as I can tell. He held a politically-appointed government job. You can't hate on whitey and bow down to the soviet flag if you want to keep that job.

It's Obama's right to ask him to step down in this case, IMO. In the administration, you serve at the pleasure of the President. If your presence is pulling down the President politically, well, see ya.

re: #205 austin_blue

It's pointing out the appointment of a politically radical person to a hi-fi government post- a post which gives him a large role in determining where large piles of your money are spent.

While I'm not a Beck fan and I don't see any evidence that Jones was a troother, what's wrong with pointing these things out? Do you not understand why these facts will give Americans pause about Jones, or about Obama?

re: #207 astronmr20

Indeed, but his rights were not infringed upon, as far as I can tell. He held a politically-appointed government job. You can't hate on whitey and bow down to the soviet flag if you want to keep that job.

It's Obama's right to ask him to step down in this case, IMO. In the administration, you serve at the pleasure of the President. If your presence is pulling down the President politically, well, see ya.

Once again, you are accusing him, as of yesterday, being a communist racist without a single shred of evidence about how he felt about those subjects yesterday.

This doesn't disturb you? This is what the barkers are doing!

You can be a communist and run for President of the United States but it would be nice if you would let everyone know.

re: #209 austin_blue

It has to do with a pattern of beliefs. It does give those of opposite beliefs the reason to ask questions.

re: #209 austin_blue

Once again, you are accusing him, as of yesterday, being a communist racist without a single shred of evidence about how he felt about those subjects yesterday.

This doesn't disturb you? This is what the barkers are doing!

He wouldn't have resigned or been fired if everything was bullshit, I don't think.

re: #207 astronmr20

Indeed, but his rights were not infringed upon, as far as I can tell. He held a politically-appointed government job. You can't hate on whitey and bow down to the soviet flag if you want to keep that job.

It's Obama's right to ask him to step down in this case, IMO. In the administration, you serve at the pleasure of the President. If your presence is pulling down the President politically, well, see ya.

Since he resigned his rights were not infringed upon. The only other argument would be that he was harassed to the point of resignation within the White House. Since in this case it was outside forces that may have caused him to resign. In any case those are hypothetical cases.

re: #210 BatGuano

You can be a communist and run for President of the United States but it would be nice if you would let everyone know.

Gus Hall always made a point of that.

//

re: #208 astronmr20

It's pointing out the appointment of a politically radical person to a hi-fi government post- a post which gives him a large role in determining where large piles of your money are spent.

While I'm not a Beck fan and I don't see any evidence that Jones was a troother, what's wrong with pointing these things out? Do you not understand why these facts will give Americans pause about Jones, or about Obama?

Because you assume that he is still politically radical without a single shred of evidence! You deny that he can change as Reagan and Olansky did!

It's like arguing with a dining room table.

re: #213 Gus 802

Since he resigned his rights were not infringed upon. The only other argument would be that he was harassed to the point of resignation within the White House. Since in this case it was outside forces that may have caused him to resign his ability to file a case would be limited. In any case those are hypothetical cases.

Nothing like finishing my thoughts.

re: #214 Gus 802

I had to look him up. I found this quote:
"Socialism in America will come through the ballot box."

re: #215 austin_blue

Because you assume that he is still politically radical without a single shred of evidence! You deny that he can change as Reagan and Olansky did!

It's like arguing with a dining room table.

First of all, you can adjust your fucking tone.

Secondly, he glommed onto these ideals on the '90's, and even as late as 2001. I see no evidence that he no longer believes these things, do you? We only have the man's quotes.

re: #212 TheMatrix31

He wouldn't have resigned or been fired if everything was bullshit, I don't think.

You mean hounded out of his job by the same people who have been banned from this board? Okey dokey, then. That makes it OK.

re: #215 austin_blue

These days, seems like the only 'change' an 0bama appointee needs to make is to be more discreet about their rhetoric.

re: #217 BatGuano

I had to look him up. I found this quote:
"Socialism in America will come through the ballot box."

Yep, that would be him. The infamous Gus Hall.

re: #219 austin_blue

You mean hounded out of his job by the same people who have been banned from this board? Okey dokey, then. That makes it OK.

Umm...frankly the 'inside baseball' of how he got his job is far more disturbing to me than how he lost it

re: #219 austin_blue

You mean hounded out of his job by the same people who have been banned from this board? Okey dokey, then. That makes it OK.

This has little to do with Beck, and even less to do with nutjob ex-LGF members.

His views and his past were exposed. Weather that has to do with trooferism is not the point; there was plenty more that was embarrassing to the Obama Administration, and for that, he's out on his ass. Why is that a problem?

re: #219 austin_blue

You mean hounded out of his job by the same people who have been banned from this board? Okey dokey, then. That makes it OK.

Never said that. I'm just thinking that Obama and the admin are smart enough not to fire someone if there's nothing to anything, ya know?

Oh well, I mean I don't even care anymore. Jones is done, it's good, whatever.

re: #218 astronmr20

First of all, you can adjust your fucking tone.

Secondly, he glommed onto these ideals on the '90's, and even as late as 2001. I see no evidence that he no longer believes these things, do you? We only have the man's quotes.

Well, yes. The fact that he hasn't spoken on these subjects since then speaks volumes to me. Apparently, not to you.

re: #223 astronmr20

This has little to do with Beck, and even less to do with nutjob ex-LGF members.

His views and his past were exposed. Weather that has to do with trooferism is not the point; there was plenty more that was embarrassing to the Obama Administration, and for that, he's out on his ass. Why is that a problem?

Excellent rotating title nominee!

re: #225 austin_blue

Well, yes. The fact that he hasn't spoken on these subjects since then speaks volumes to me. Apparently, not to you.

Yup. He "re-invented" himself pretty quickly while Obama was running for office, no?

The past matters, and it matters to moderates, left, and right. It matters to a lot of people that voted for this clown.

However, I do disagree with the "rumors" about jones being repeated as fact by Fox News. But the rest of the stuff he has said and done on camera and on print was more than enough to have him "resign."

As Fenway mentioned, this was embarrassing and troubling for the Administration not because of Jones' past specifically, but because of how he was hired.

Here is what an innocent man says:"Which office do I go to get my reputation back?"

re: #223 astronmr20

This has little to do with Beck, and even less to do with nutjob ex-LGF members.

His views and his past were exposed. Weather that has to do with trooferism is not the point; there was plenty more that was embarrassing to the Obama Administration, and for that, he's out on his ass. Why is that a problem?

Look, I am solidly behind Charles' position on this subject, I think. It isn't the trooferism, it is that a man was hounded out of his job by a group of people carrying pitchforks and torches. And, at some fundamental level, you seem to support the result, if not the tactics. I think it's wrong.

re: #229 austin_blue

Look, I am solidly behind Charles' position on this subject, I think. It isn't the trooferism, it is that a man was hounded out of his job by a group of people carrying pitchforks and torches. And, at some fundamental level, you seem to support the result, if not the tactics. I think it's wrong.

Hounded for distortions of standards that are being hypocritically applied.

re: #229 austin_blue

I do agree;

If we are talking about the tactics, I'm against them-- especially when it comes to stating rumor as fact.

I was under the impression that you were defending Jones and his validity as a "green jobs czar," whatever the hell that is (and whatever the hell green jobs are).

In any event, we probably aren't disagreeing with each other as much as we think. Apologies for being touchy.

---off to bed.

So...how many 'green jobs' were created on Van Jones' watch, anyways?

re: #231 astronmr20

I do agree;

If we are talking about the tactics, I'm against them-- especially when it comes to stating rumor as fact.

100% agree here.

re: #230 Sharmuta

Hounded for distortions of standards that are being hypocritically applied.

Yes. Thank you.

re: #231 astronmr20

I do agree;

If we are talking about the tactics, I'm against them-- especially when it comes to stating rumor as fact.

I was under the impression that you were defending Jones and his validity as a "green jobs czar," whatever the hell that is (and whatever the hell green jobs are).

In any event, we probably aren't disagreeing with each other as much as we think. Apologies for being touchy.

---off to bed.

No worries! Have sweet dreams.

re: #184 BatGuano

Squabbling, bickering, sniping .,etc

Bat, what's up with that...I've been out of the U.S. for a while too...don't tell me McCain lost?

And I am off to the land of Somnos, myself. Adios.

re: #236 rightwinger3

Bat, what's up with that...I've been out of the U.S. for a while too...don't tell me McCain lost?

Just a rumor spread by the liberal media.
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re: #232 Fenway_Nation

Good question:

Austen_blue: #152
"How was his job performance in the position in which he was hired?"

re: #230 Sharmuta

Hounded for distortions of standards that are being hypocritically applied.

Sharm, happens on both sides a lot. I think Charles said it all last thread: "...just a weary disgust..."

re: #236 rightwinger3

Oh, he lost real bad!

Like it or not, politics is a blood sport. If ya don't wanna play, don't jump in.

green jobs are like unicorns nice to talk about but has anyone ever seen one.

re: #241 BatGuano

Oh, he lost real bad!

Dang that sucks!

US fury as Israel defies settlement freeze call

US attacks Israel over West Bank settlements

Fury, attacks. It's interesting how this administration not once was furious or attacked Iran's crackdown during their election nor the missile launches from North Korea.

Good Morning Lizards!

Wake me up in 2013.

Good night!

re: #246 HoosierHoops

Good morning, Hoosier.

re: #246 HoosierHoops

Hoops is here! That means we get to start hitting the beer soon!

re: #247 Gus 802

G'night Gus.

re: #249 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hoops is here! That means we get to start hitting the beer soon!

LOL
Can't buy beer on Sundays in Indiana...Jesus hates beer on sunday..
/buy ahead of time..*wink*

re: #251 HoosierHoops

That's why I live in Florida! I have been in bars that were open 24/7/365.

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's why I live in Florida! I have been in bars that were open 24/7/365.

I have never been to Florida...Everybody from Indiana goes there for vacation during the winter... I think I'll fly down and play some Golf this Jan or Feb..

re: #253 HoosierHoops

I was born in Indy. We moved here in '72. Golf during winter is awesome. A bit crowded, but you can't ask for nicer weather. 72 degrees.

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was born in Indy. We moved here in '72. Golf during winter is awesome. A bit crowded, but you can't ask for nicer weather. 72 degrees.

I was born and raised in California...We transfered here for my job...
I don't have the warm and fuzzy for snow and cold weather..It sucks so far

re: #255 HoosierHoops

I didn't see snow, that I actually remembered, until I was 30. Pretty at first, but then you have to drive in it. Then the salt. Then the plows. Then the grey.

re: #245 Gus 802

surprise surprise
the leftist university chatting class has been anti semitic for years the zero came out of the hydepark uber liberal university chatting class were do you think he meets people like ayers, rev wright, van Jones, that Boston prof who cried racist wolf. etc.

frankly the more is see him he keeps getting worse than i expected the uber left university chatting class can have there POTU$