Glenn Beck Claims 1.7 Million People at Tea Party

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Glenn Beck, naturally, falls right in line with the absurdly inflated crowd numbers that are all over the right wing blogs.

His source for this claim?

A … university somewhere. He can’t remember the name. Just some university that did a … study.

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UPDATE at 9/15/09 11:33:47 am:

One of the crowd pictures going around the right wing blogs as “proof” that there were millions of people there, is a complete fraud. It’s from 1997: ‘Tea party’ photo shows huge crowd — at different event.

Supporters of Saturday’s “tea party” protests against President Barack Obama were quick to highlight their big turnout. To bolster countless claims on blogs and Facebook, many posted a photograph that showed a gargantuan crowd sprawling from Capitol Hill down the National Mall to the Washington Monument.

But it turns out the photo is more than 10 years old, apparently taken during a 1997 Promise Keepers rally.

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545 comments
1 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:17:41am
His source for this claim?

A ... university somewhere. He can’t remember the name. Just some university that did a ... study.

Pathetic!

2 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:18:05am

Maybe that includes folks watching online, on the TV, and the people who read about it the next day?

3 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:18:56am

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

4 S'latch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:03am

I wonder what the actual number was.

5 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:39am

DT's ?

6 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:19:47am

Still no official numbers from the Parks Service?

7 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:20:21am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

GO [MASCOTS]!

8 2by2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:20:31am

..the state university of Idiotary, where Beck did undergraduate studies in counting,...people

9 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:20:40am

"You can't dissent!" Beck

Over crowd numbers? Paranoid -- no one is stopping him from dissenting over these figures and he is free to continually make a fool out of himself.

10 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:20:55am

re: #7 Occasional Reader

GO [MASCOTS]!

Did you enter their Latin motto contest?

11 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:21:42am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

Is that were you got your ZhD? Z is even BETTER than a P!

12 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:22:19am

Has anyone come up with a current aerial photo of this protest to compare with aerial photos of past protests? Most of the shots I've seen so far have been fairly low angle.

13 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:22:24am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Still no official numbers from the Parks Service?

I have a feeling the Parks Service isn't even going to touch this one. It's been insanely politicized and they probably don't want to get into the middle of it.

14 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:22:40am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Still no official numbers from the Parks Service?

/Holds pinky to lip

I demand 1 BILLION attendees!

/pinky down

15 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:22:43am

If I had billion dollars I'd start my own cabel news channel--the Anti-Idiotarian Network. (Fact-Checking Your Ass wouldn't sound right.)

16 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:26am

re: #15 MandyManners

If I had billion dollars I'd start my own cabel news channel--the Anti-Idiotarian Network. (Fact-Checking Your Ass wouldn't sound right.)

It would work as a tag line.

AIN
"Fact-checking your ass since 2009"

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:31am

One of the crowd pictures going around the right wing blogs as "proof" that there were millions of people there, is a complete fraud. It's from 1997.

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

18 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:34am

re: #10 Guanxi88

Did you enter their Latin motto contest?

I entered Que Sera, Sera.

Didn't win.

/

19 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:45am

Beck would remember the university, but he was busy with his wife, Morgan Fairchild. Yeah, thats the ticket.

20 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:47am

University of Illinois is his source?

21 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23:49am

re: #15 MandyManners

How about 'Fact-Checking Your Assumptions.'

22 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:00am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Still no official numbers from the Parks Service?

I'm not vouching for it, but when I googled for a park service estimate, CNS showed up with this...


CNSNews.com) - The number of people who converged on Washington, D.C., on Saturday to protest big government, high taxes and out-of-control federal spending is a matter of media speculation because no government agency makes official estimates of crowd sizes for such events.

The National Park Service, which formerly estimated crowd sizes on the National Mall, made it clear it had no interest in estimating the size of Saturday’s crowd.

“The long and short of it is, in terms of this weekend’s event, no, the National Park Service does not, did not and will not provide a crowd estimate for this,” Bill Line, spokesman for the park service told CNSNews.com...

23 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:09am

The word "study" as an argumentum ex auctoritate is one of the growing list of things that make me reach for my revolver.

24 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:20am

re: #18 OldLineTexan

I entered Que Sera, Sera.

Didn't win.

/

But, they did give you tenure in the Philosophy and Italian Literature schools, so that's something.

25 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:21am

re: #4 Lawrence Schmerel

I wonder what the actual number was.


I don't kno wif we'll ever know, and that's a pity. The Telegraph said almost 2 million, but I don't know how they came up with that number. One thing is sure is that it's a lot more than 10's of thousands.

26 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:51am

re: #18 OldLineTexan

I entered Que Sera, Sera.

Didn't win.

/

They didn't like caveat emptor either.

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:56am

re: #22 Pianobuff

Yep. That's what I thought. They don't want to touch it.

28 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:56am

Y'know it is hard for me to come up with new and interesting things to say about how much I despise the stupidity, dishonesty and ranting evil of Beck.

There just aren't that many new ways to say the same things over and over.

The bastard is a crazy evil clown.

So from now on I think I shall simply write Evil Clown and have done with, rather than writing a fresh polemic about his absurdity each time.

29 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:24:56am

I TOLD YOU SO!

Obama isn't even done with his first year in office and we're already seeing rampant inflation coming from Washington DC.

/

30 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:06am

re: #15 MandyManners

If I had billion dollars I'd start my own cabel news channel--the Anti-Idiotarian Network. (Fact-Checking Your Ass wouldn't sound right.)

No, but it would be an excellent tag line...

31 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #10 Guanxi88

Did you enter their Latin motto contest?

The official motto: Nojo demis trux sumis cowsin sumis dux

32 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:22am

Beck can't name his source, so we can't see the photograph the source is using to claim these numbers. Nothing but bullshit from Beck- and if this was on MSNBC concerning one of their protests- we'd be howling with laughter.

Sadly- the right is more concerned about partisanship over intellectual honesty and fact checking. This is a sad, sad period of right wing politics.

33 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:27am

re: #25 Ziggy

I don't kno wif we'll ever know, and that's a pity. The Telegraph said almost 2 million, but I don't know how they came up with that number. One thing is sure is that it's a lot more than 10's of thousands.

The Telegraph's number was a complete fraud.

There were about 100,000 people there, probably fewer.

34 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:37am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

And the mascot was a spongy yellow question mark.

35 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #26 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

They didn't like caveat emptor either.

That was the Bursar's mission statement, so it wouldn't work.

36 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:46am

re: #13 Charles

I have a feeling the Parks Service isn't even going to touch this one. It's been insanely politicized and they probably don't want to get into the middle of it.

re: #27 Charles

Yep. That's what I thought. They don't want to touch it.

I don't blame them either.

37 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:25:51am

re: #23 Cato the Elder

The word "study" as an argumentum ex auctoritate is one of the growing list of things that make me reach for my revolver.

Put that down! What do you think this is, a town hall meeting?

/

38 KingKenrod  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:00am

Are there any real aerial photos around?

39 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:13am

re: #23 Cato the Elder

The word "study" as an argumentum ex auctoritate is one of the growing list of things that make me reach for my revolver.

You are a good Roman, use a spatha. It is much more gratifying...

40 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #27 Charles

Yep. That's what I thought. They don't want to touch it.

Obviosuly they're being pressured by the White House to hide the truth!

/Do I really need the tag?

41 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:18am

re: #27 Charles

Yep. That's what I thought. They don't want to touch it.

Is this the first time they have done this? As in not given a number for a event?

42 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:22am

re: #36 Pianobuff

I don't blame them either.

Yes, remember the "Million Man March".

43 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:22am

re: #17 Charles

One of the crowd pictures going around the right wing blogs as "proof" that there were millions of people there, is a complete fraud. It's from 1997.

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

It's just such a load of crap. I was on the Mall on that day. I have my own pictures. A side from the fact that the Museum of the American Indian is actually finished. The Mall was quite a bit easier to walk in than that picture from a decade ago shoes.

Who was it that said "If you're gonna lie, lie big?"

44 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:33am

re: #18 OldLineTexan

I entered Que Sera, Sera.

Didn't win.

/

I was going to suggest cunctator, but I never got around to it.

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:41am

Another gunman shows up to Obama event...
Protester defends bringing guns to Obama rally

Minneapolis police confirmed that they questioned a man Saturday in front of Target Center. They did not identify Hendrickson, but Hendrickson said he was questioned by Minneapolis police and a Secret Service agent after he said they spotted the outline of his weapon.

Hendrickson said he carried a .40 caliber Glock 22 handgun concealed in a holster on his hip, and a smaller Kel Tec 380 in a pocket.
...
"I'm a pretty laid-back guy that loves his kids and his country," Hendrickson said.

He added, however, that he had just been released from jail a month earlier on an assault charge for pepper-spraying a customer at a Cub Foods in Brooklyn Center, where he worked as a security guard.

46 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:26:54am

re: #33 Charles

The Telegraph's number was a complete fraud.

There were about 100,000 people there, probably fewer.

I saw somewhere that the fire dept estimated about 70k

47 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:27:12am

re: #21 jaunte

How about 'Fact-Checking Your Assumptions.'

Too long. It needs "snap".

48 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:27:17am

re: #22 Pianobuff

Huh.

49 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #31 Occasional Reader

The official motto: Nojo demis trux sumis cowsin sumis dux

That's from Somethingorother A&M.

50 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:29:26am

How does the 9/12 participant count compare to the number of people President Obama has saved from unemployment?

51 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:29:28am

re: #33 Charles

The Telegraph's number was a complete fraud.

There were about 100,000 people there, probably fewer.

There has got to be a way of calculating a reasonable estimate from aerial photos.

52 KingKenrod  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Another gunman shows up to Obama event...
Protester defends bringing guns to Obama rally

Showing up to an Obama rally with a gun isn't going to help his assault case.

BTW: "Concealed in a holster"? Seems like a weasel-ly way to work "concealed" into the sentence.

53 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:29:40am

Has the park service ever given estimates of other demonstrations?

54 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:29:51am

re: #50 DaddyG

How does the 9/12 participant count compare to the number of people President Obama has saved from unemployment?

This: They're calculated the EXACT same way.

55 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:29:53am

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

You are a good Roman, use a spatha. It is much more gratifying...

I was always partial to the falcata myself.

56 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:30:06am

I don't know what's so hard about getting a good crowd size estimate.

You just count up all of the raised fists and divide by two.

57 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:30:08am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

Rehab state?

58 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:30:19am

re: #51 Ziggy

There has got to be a way of calculating a reasonable estimate from aerial photos.

Maybe the black helicopters don't have cameras.

59 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:30:21am

Don't expect to see any estimates from Capitol Police, NPS, or others anytime soon. And they'll still be just estimates - ranges. I figure several hundred thousand people took part in the event - not millions, and certainly not 1.7 million based on the videos I've seen from the Mall and other gathering points. Big. Not huge.

In the end, does the tally even matter when you've got a portion of that total engaging in speech unbecoming.

60 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

and a smaller Kel Tec 380 in a pocket.

So not only is he stupid enough to carry weapons to a Presidential event, he's also stupid enough to stick a (presumably, loaded) pistol in his pocket. (And no, we're not happy to see him.)

Shallow end of the gene pool.

61 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:30:32am

re: #50 DaddyG

How does the 9/12 participant count compare to the number of people President Obama has saved from unemployment?

Both numbers pulled out of thin air...

62 KingKenrod  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #53 MandyManners

Has the park service ever given estimates of other demonstrations?

I read they stopped giving them after they were threated with a lawsuit around the Million-man March estimates.

63 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:31:15am

re: #58 OldLineTexan

Maybe the black helicopters don't have cameras.

Not the ones at 912. There wasn't room with all the microwave mind control devices they had to carry.

64 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #54 OldLineTexan

This: They're calculated the EXACT same way.

re: #61 Athos

Both numbers pulled out of thin air...

Consistent methodologies are important, people.

65 Ziggy  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:31:36am

re: #58 OldLineTexan

Maybe the black helicopters don't have cameras.

Nice one.

66 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:32:15am

re: #63 Coracle

Not the ones at 912. There wasn't room with all the microwave mind control devices they had to carry.

You're confusing that with the cloaking devices.

The mind-control transmitters are on satellites.

Geesh.

/

67 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:33:07am

Rough numbers - 70k people standing on their own 4' x 4' patch of ground would cover 25 acres which seems reasonable to me. The mall is about 310 acres so this would be about 8% full. It would take two malls to hold 1.7 mil people with this assumtion.

68 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:33:07am

re: #66 OldLineTexan

You're confusing that with the cloaking devices.

The mind-control transmitters are on satellites.

Geesh.

/

PUT!

ON!

THE GLASSES!

69 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:33:16am

We would have a more accurate count if those damn conservatives and libertarians would submit to the micro-chipping.

70 Dahveed  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:33:36am

I say we take out the Ron Paul supporters, LaRouchies and birthers from the estimate. I think a good estimate should be of people that are actually rational. So, maybe 20 or 30 people at this demonstration.

71 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:34:05am

The only thing I can attest to for this particular gathering of people... I wasn't there. I was at a bridal shower...

...come to think of it, I may have preferred being at the tea party. Barely.

72 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:34:25am
Glenn Beck Claims 1.7 Million People at Tea Party

Yeah, and his penis is eighteen inches long.

73 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:34:32am

Meanwhile at Prison Planet...

Alex talks with Golden Globe award winning actor and prominent advocate of the 9/11 Truth movement, Charlie Sheen. Charlie penned "Twenty Minutes with the President," a call for Barack Obama and the government to reinvestigate the 9/11 attacks, an open letter that has attracted much attention and media coverage. Sheen will blast the media's cowardly and sophomoric response to his open letter.

74 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:34:43am

re: #55 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I was always partial to the falcata myself.

I like how they've mixed the Parmesan with that into one shaker. It's great on pasta.

75 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:34:51am

re: #71 MrSilverDragon

The only thing I can attest to for this particular gathering of people... I wasn't there. I was at a bridal shower...

...come to think of it, I may have preferred being at the tea party. Barely.

I brought the soap to one once and got kicked out.

/

76 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:34:58am

re: #62 KingKenrod

I read they stopped giving them after they were threated with a lawsuit around the Million-man March estimates.

Who threatened them?

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #55 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I was always partial to the falcata myself.

Very nasty weapon, but not so Roman...

I really am a terrible sword geek actually...

my dream, multi purpose sword, i.e. suppose I could only have one, and it was still an age where people used them would be a palache

[Link: www.armart.antiquanova.com...]

Though to be honest a good straight bladed saber of Sheffield steel would make me very happy too.

If I could own two swords...

My second would be a

[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]

78 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:35:22am

re: #41 greygandalf

Is this the first time they have done this? As in not given a number for a event?

No. Congress passed a law cutting all funding for crowd estimates from the NPS budget following the Million Man March, when their estimates fell far short of a million and the sponsors got pissed. Prior to that, NPS - which is responsible for most monuments and many public spaces in DC - had routinely provided professional crowd estimates for most events.

The language was somewhat ambiguous - some in NPS thought it only applied for a single year - but they've stayed away from estimating ever since. They asked for clear guidance in order to provide an estimate of 0bama's inauguration, and received it, but they don't hold a mandate to do so.

Similar problems arose with the DC police, another former source for such estimates.

The DC Fire Department estimated between 50k and 70k, which seems to jibe with all the photos I've seen. Like the police, they're trained in such things, and have no reason to fudge figures downward. If anything, one would expect an upward bias, as it would lead to demands for more manpower.

79 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #72 HelloDare

Yeah, and his penis is eighteen inches long.

You may be right.

The brain needs blood for oxygen, and if the blood is busy elsewhere ...

80 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:35:54am

re: #66 OldLineTexan

You're confusing that with the cloaking devices.

The mind-control transmitters are on satellites.

Geesh.

/

And the water, where a foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids

81 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:35:57am

re: #72 HelloDare

Yeah, and his penis is eighteen inches long.

And my spayed cat just had kittens./

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:36:03am

I'm off to a meeting with approximately 450,000 colleagues. (Give or take.)

Later.

83 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:36:15am

If anyone's curious, here's a summary story on why there's no official figure for how many people showed up: No agency actually counts.

84 KingKenrod  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:36:45am

re: #76 MandyManners

Who threatened them?

Farrakhan

85 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:36:55am

Is this the state of "right wing" journalism? Unnamed sources with claims that can't be verified? Now we're going to have weeks of people citing Beck siting nothing as proof. This would not fly if this was Keith Olberman. Yet it's beck, so people will lap this up and spew it back as if it's gospel truth. It just goes to show that people aren't interested in the truth but in propaganda that confirms what they already think.

86 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:37:06am

re: #53 MandyManners

Has the park service ever given estimates of other demonstrations?

See my earlier post, above. They used to do so routinely, until protests by the organizers of the Million Man March led to Congress cutting off funding for such activities by the NPS.

87 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:37:40am

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote


I really am a terrible sword geek actually...

Hmmm?

88 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:38:03am

re: #75 OldLineTexan

I brought the soap to one once and got kicked out.

/

better than the hose...

89 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:38:08am

re: #84 KingKenrod

Farrakhan

The third most frightening Khan of all!

/Genghis Khan
/Chaka Khan
/Farrakhan

90 Nadnerb  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:38:43am

Glenn Beck is marginalizing the people who are legitimately pissed about government spending and aren't kooks. Lying to push an agenda is NEVER a sound philosophy, nor is it necessary to accomplish a political goal. Why do people think it's okay to distort things? Just more fodder for Olbermann and Maddow...

91 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:38:52am

re: #89 OldLineTexan

The third most frightening Khan of all!

/Genghis Khan
/Chaka Khan
/Farrakhan

Madeline Kahn!

92 Dahveed  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:38:55am

re: #86 SixDegrees

See my earlier post, above. They used to do so routinely, until protests by the organizers of the Million Man March led to Congress cutting off funding for such activities by the NPS.

The government actually needed money in order for someone to make a guess, to have an idea. I'm glad they aren't funding money for that. Talk about a waste of money.

93 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:06am

re: #79 OldLineTexan

You may be right.

The brain needs blood for oxygen, and if the blood is busy elsewhere ...

Ewww. That would mean when he's ranting on TV he has a hard-on.

94 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:10am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Is this the state of "right wing" journalism? Unnamed sources with claims that can't be verified? Now we're going to have weeks of people citing Beck siting nothing as proof. This would not fly if this was Keith Olberman. Yet it's beck, so people will lap this up and spew it back as if it's gospel truth. It just goes to show that people aren't interested in the truth but in propaganda that confirms what they already think.

Why are you surprised at this? Look how much traction the death panels got - and that was a story, which on the face of it, was as stupid, and obviously false, as Hilary's claim of landing under sniper fire.


Again, the other thing we just need to get is the incredible stupidity of this and those who believe it.

Just plain stupid - and there ain't no cure for dumb that bad.

95 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:16am

Lud - what breed is your other dog? I understood one of them to be a whippet. The other is a ...?

96 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:18am

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Very nasty weapon, but not so Roman...

I really am a terrible sword geek actually...

my dream, multi purpose sword, i.e. suppose I could only have one, and it was still an age where people used them would be a palache

[Link: www.armart.antiquanova.com...]

Though to be honest a good straight bladed saber of Sheffield steel would make me very happy too.

If I could own two swords...

My second would be a

[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]

I do believe the falcata found its ways into the later legions founded out of Spain, especially in the cavalry units. It never came close to replacing the spatha, but could still be found from time to time, especially in auxillary units

97 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:31am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

One of these idiots is bound to try something sooner or later. This has to be a nightmare for the Secret Service.

98 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:36am

re: #83 Dianna

If anyone's curious, here's a summary story on why there's no official figure for how many people showed up: No agency actually counts.

Yes they do they just don't share their numbers with you. You know "them". -Dale Gribble

99 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:42am

re: #91 Gus 802

Madeline Kahn!

That was one very funny lady. I miss her.

100 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:39:44am

re: #95 Pianobuff

Lud - what breed is your other dog? I understood one of them to be a whippet. The other is a ...?

A whippet good.

/

101 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #91 Gus 802

Buddha Khan! /styx

102 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:40:46am

re: #99 MrSilverDragon

That was one very funny lady. I miss her.

Taffeta, darling.

103 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #102 midwestgak

Taffeta, darling.

Taffeta, Dear

104 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:41:39am

re: #98 DaddyG

Yes they do they just don't share their numbers with you. You know "them". -Dale Gribble

They better not create the Agency for Counting. If they do it better be headed by the Sesame Street "Count".

105 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:41:40am

re: #87 DaddyG

Hmmm?

OK that is creepy, I went to JHU as an undergrad, and I know the 300 block of east university really well. It's a neighborhood that has a lot of students and a lot of middle class. It is surrounded though by a less than good neighbor hood once you cross Greenmont Ave.

106 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:41:55am

re: #100 OldLineTexan

A whippet good.

/

We are not men; We are Devo.
We are not men; D--E--V--O.

107 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:42:10am

re: #84 KingKenrod

Farrakhan

He claimed there were a million and wanted to sue when the NPS refused to back him up?

108 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #101 lawhawk

Buddha Khan! /styx

Kubla Khan! /coleridge

109 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:42:21am

Dragon Kahn
The Candy Mon Khan
Khan Yay West
I Khan go on forever...

110 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #104 greygandalf

They better not create the Agency for Counting. If they do it better be headed by the Sesame Street "Count".

One troofer, bwahaha, Two troofer, bwahaha...

111 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:42:45am

re: #67 turn

Rough numbers - 70k people standing on their own 4' x 4' patch of ground would cover 25 acres which seems reasonable to me. The mall is about 310 acres so this would be about 8% full. It would take two malls to hold 1.7 mil people with this assumtion.

In recent years the Venezuelan opposition has done very good work estimating crowds from combining overhead photos and equations such as you are proposing.

112 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:42:52am

re: #86 SixDegrees

See my earlier post, above. They used to do so routinely, until protests by the organizers of the Million Man March led to Congress cutting off funding for such activities by the NPS.

Good gravy.

113 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:43:03am

re: #108 MrSilverDragon

Kubla Khan! /coleridge

Yes We Khan!

114 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:43:08am

re: #96 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I do believe the falcata found its ways into the later legions founded out of Spain, especially in the cavalry units. It never came close to replacing the spatha, but could still be found from time to time, especially in auxillary units

You may be right... I will have to check that out. For sure, mercenary troops would bring their own weapons.

115 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:43:16am

re: #98 DaddyG

Yes they do they just don't share their numbers with you. You know "them". -Dale Gribble

Well, so much for my attempt to source the notion no body counts.

116 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #104 greygandalf

They better not create the Agency for Counting. If they do it better be headed by the Sesame Street "Count".

One...one religious fanatic (manic laugh)

Two...two nasty Hitler signs (lightning clash)

Three...three communist symbols

Like that?

117 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:43:56am

re: #113 Pianobuff

Yes We Khan!


Well played. I'm just Czar-ry I didn't think of it.

118 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Is this the state of "right wing" journalism? Unnamed sources with claims that can't be verified? Now we're going to have weeks of people citing Beck siting nothing as proof. This would not fly if this was Keith Olberman. Yet it's beck, so people will lap this up and spew it back as if it's gospel truth. It just goes to show that people aren't interested in the truth but in propaganda that confirms what they already think.

It's pure BS, just on the grounds of reality. Obama's inauguration brought in somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 - 1.8 million, and it brought DC to it's knees, despite weeks of detailed advance planning. There were no disruptions worthy of note around DC over the weekend, and no shortage of accommodations, either, as one would expect from an influx of the claimed size.

Until Beck produces a source, it's just more Beck Dreck.

119 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:44:31am

re: #113 Pianobuff

Yes We Khan!

Oh my goodness, how could I forget...

Shere Khan! /kipling (although I've never kippled.)

120 researchok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:44:42am

The only numbers that count will be tallied at the upcoming mid term elections.

121 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:45:30am

re: #118 SixDegrees

It's pure BS, just on the grounds of reality. Obama's inauguration brought in somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 - 1.8 million, and it brought DC to it's knees, despite weeks of detailed advance planning. There were no disruptions worthy of note around DC over the weekend, and no shortage of accommodations, either, as one would expect from an influx of the claimed size.

Until Beck produces a source, it's just more Beck Dreck.

I like it.

122 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote


Though to be honest a good straight bladed saber of Sheffield steel would make me very happy too.


Arr! I've always wanted a cut and thrust Sabre. Like this puppy.

123 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:46:17am

re: #111 experiencedtraveller

In recent years the Venezuelan opposition has done very good work estimating crowds from combining overhead photos and equations such as you are proposing.

Really, interesting. I was just trying to get my hands around the problem, 70k seems reasonable and Beck is an idiot for exaggerating.

124 fizzlogic  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:46:21am

re: #13 Charles

This will explain why we haven't heard from the Park Police:

[Link: overlawyered.com...]

125 Dahveed  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:46:48am
A ... university somewhere. He can’t remember the name. Just some university that did a ... study.

It had to have been Wossamotta U.

126 funky chicken  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:47:20am

You know, come to think of it, wasn't Beck also promising the "video of all videos" about ACORN today?

127 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:47:36am

re: #125 Dahveed

It had to have been Wossamotta U.

I know where that is. It's in the north
It's in upper US!
/

128 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:47:42am

re: #92 Dahveed

The government actually needed money in order for someone to make a guess, to have an idea. I'm glad they aren't funding money for that. Talk about a waste of money.

No, it isn't. The NPS is responsible for policing national monuments, and crowd estimates are invaluable for determining future manpower and deployment, as they are for addressing real-time issues like calculating the fastest route to a particular point or from some point to a hospital, for instance.

The DC police stopped giving their estimates out to the public, but they never stopped making them. I strongly suspect that the NPS has done exactly the same thing. The consequences of neglecting this exercise are simply too serious not to.

129 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #120 researchok

The only numbers that count will be tallied at the upcoming mid term elections.

You got that right ok.

130 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

If you ever find yourself in Worcester, Mass, you must see the
Higgins Armory Museum
It is supposed to have the best collection of arms and armor in the US, and it really is quite impressive.

131 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:48:09am

re: #126 funky chicken

You know, come to think of it, wasn't Beck also promising the "video of all videos" about ACORN today?

His show doesn't start till 5 p.m. eastern

132 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:49:16am

re: #72 HelloDare

Yeah, and his penis is eighteen inches long.

He got it backwards. His penis is 1.7 inches long, and there were 18 people at the tea party.

133 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:49:26am

re: #130 Kosh's Shadow

I see they have a special event coming up soon:
[Link: www.higgins.org...]

134 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:50:00am

Never been a fan of the long sword, saber or foils. I prefer the chopping blades, like cutlasses, falcatas and falchions

135 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:50:13am

re: #125 Dahveed

Youtube Video
136 theuglydougling  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:50:44am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

I've been taking their online courses for an unspecified amount of time.

137 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:51:24am

Has anyone seen a citeable reference from DC FEMS (Fire / Emergency Medical Services) on their 60-70k estimate? I've not seen anything to formally back that number up?

And AT LAST! WMATA's ridership numbers are online for Saturday:

[Link: www.wmata.com...]

437,624

That is a statistically significant increase from preceeding Saturdays:

5 Sep: 300,963
29 Aug: 303,997
22 Aug: 293,200
15 Aug: 337,070

Looking at the same period in September a year ago:

6 Sep 08: 202,528
13 Sep 08: 362,773

By comparison, on Inauguration Day this year, Metro reported rail ridership at 1,120,000.

My view? It's wholly reasonable that half the folks at the rally (~65k) took Metro and accounted for the ~130k extra trips.

138 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #133 jaunte

I see they have a special event coming up soon:
[Link: www.higgins.org...]

Sorry, I'll be talking like a Jew at Rosh Hashanah services.
Arrrgh!

139 bnichols10  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:52:29am

Robert Tracinski, who publishes TIA Daily and often writes at RealClearPolitics (an article of his it currently at the top of the "Top Links" section) was at the event and wrote this:

Well, I'll tell you what: look at the photos, and you tell me how big the crowd was.

The most telling detail, which you can see in the link I just gave, is a graphic from USA Today's coverage of Obama's inauguration, giving figures for the number of people who will fit in the DC mall. The chart indicates that the west lawn of the Capitol and the area around the reflecting pool holds 240,000 people. I can tell you that those areas were packed. The west lawn was so full that police were blocking anyone new from entering, presumably out of fear that we would trample each other to death. I was one of the people turned away, so I was in between the lawn and the reflecting pool, and this area was also completely filled. Thus, 240,000 is a good minimum for any objective estimate of the attendance. But based on the aerial photos, which show crowds stretching all the way back to the Washington Monument, I would be ready to believe a figure in the area of 1 million.

140 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:52:31am

re: #119 MrSilverDragon

Oh my goodness, how could I forget...

Shere Khan! /kipling (although I've never kippled.)

KHHHAAANNN! /Shatner

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:53:11am

re: #122 Coracle

Arr! I've always wanted a cut and thrust Sabre. Like this puppy.

Exactly!

If I were on foot and had a lot of friends to deal with I would want this,
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]

But for overall versatility, nothing beats a blade that is light enough that you an still use the point yet, wide enough that you can still slash. You don't need to lob off a head to make your opponent stop trying to kill you. Going into his neck only two inches or so is sufficient. And nothing pisses off a chopper more than a quick stop thrust - which you need a straight blade for.

The pinnacle of western swords IMHO is the...
[Link: www.absoluteastronomy.com...]

142 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:55:29am

re: #137 bofhell

Has anyone seen a citeable reference from DC FEMS (Fire / Emergency Medical Services) on their 60-70k estimate? I've not seen anything to formally back that number up?

You could always try looking at LGF's front page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

143 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:55:37am

re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote

LVQ - what breed is your other dog? I understood one of them to be a whippet. The other is a ...?

(this was on another thread)

144 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:55:56am

re: #137 bofhell

Hey bof that was a clever way to estimate. Assuming a round trip and the difference (which is significant) due to the protesters that would make it about 65k. Many probably went by taxi so the 70k figure is reasonable.

145 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:56:07am

re: #137 bofhell

Has anyone seen a citeable reference from DC FEMS (Fire / Emergency Medical Services) on their 60-70k estimate? I've not seen anything to formally back that number up?

And AT LAST! WMATA's ridership numbers are online for Saturday:

[Link: www.wmata.com...]

437,624

That is a statistically significant increase from preceeding Saturdays:

5 Sep: 300,963
29 Aug: 303,997
22 Aug: 293,200
15 Aug: 337,070

Looking at the same period in September a year ago:

6 Sep 08: 202,528
13 Sep 08: 362,773

By comparison, on Inauguration Day this year, Metro reported rail ridership at 1,120,000.

My view? It's wholly reasonable that half the folks at the rally (~65k) took Metro and accounted for the ~130k extra trips.

Charles has a thread downstairs with the original DC Fire Department report.

Based on your ridership estimates and the vagaries involved, I'd say they reinforce the Fire Department's own estimates of 50k - 70k, with a wider margin of slop due to their nature.

146 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:57:24am

re: #142 Charles

You could always try looking at LGF's front page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


shameless plug.

147 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:57:30am

re: #130 Kosh's Shadow

If you ever find yourself in Worcester, Mass, you must see the
Higgins Armory Museum
It is supposed to have the best collection of arms and armor in the US, and it really is quite impressive.

Ohhh yes...

I used to have two, do I really want to date her tests... One would be taking her to the Air and Space museum... The other was the arms and armor section of the MET in NY.

If she got into it, the green light... If she could tolerate it, then OK...

If she was wondering why I liked all those silly planes (you've seen one and you've seen 'em all) or swords... well... then oh hell no.

I once was with a female sword geek at the MET and the docent was so impressed by our conversation, he took us back into the store areas and let us hold a Masamune blade! Yes, we wore gloves... It was awesome!

148 Shug  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:57:54am

.


re: #146 Charpete67

shameless plugs.

Fixed for Biden
.


.

149 shimoda  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:58:43am

Absolutely OT!
I just came back from the movies. Went to see Inglorious basterds with my daughter who is a film freak.
Really liked the movie. Tarantino sure can create a nice story and exciting dialog when he wants to. Too bad he rents his name out to B-films like Death Proof and such.
Liked From Dusk til Dawn Though

Now we'll return to the Beck ranting.

150 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:58:47am

re: #139 bnichols10

Robert Tracinski, who publishes TIA Daily and often writes at RealClearPolitics (an article of his it currently at the top of the "Top Links" section) was at the event and wrote this:

Too bad such estimates are invariably from those with a vested interest in crowd size inflation, and with no expertise whatsoever in such things.

151 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:59:37am

We reported here on several instances in which left wing demonstration organizers tried to pump up their numbers. It's a pretty common thing.

However -- I never saw the kind of insanely inflated numbers that are going around the right wing blogosphere. A typical left wing exaggeration would be taking a crowd that was about 100,000 people and claiming 250,000.

The right wingers have got them beaten by an order of magnitude. They're inflating the numbers by ten- or twenty-fold.

152 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:59:38am

re: #143 Pianobuff

LVQ - what breed is your other dog? I understood one of them to be a whippet. The other is a ...?

(this was on another thread)

He's a TR terrier also called a Rat terrier (named that way bc TR used them to clear rats out of the whitehouse)

They are super smart little guys who were bred as farm dogs and family companions in NY, PA and Ohio originally.

They are mostly fox terrier, with a bit of beagle and whippet thrown in.
[Link: images.google.com...]

153 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:59:44am

re: #134 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Never been a fan of the long sword, saber or foils. I prefer the chopping blades, like...

Slap Chop!

Youtube Video
154 shimoda  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:59:47am

Of course the word Though was supposed to be non-italic and lower cased

155 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Madeline Kahn!

She's tired, tired of being admired, tired of love uninspired...

156 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:00:20pm

re: #142 Charles

You could always try looking at LGF's front page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That requires scrolling down. That's teh hard.

157 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:01:52pm

re: #155 Mad Al-Jaffee

She's tired, tired of being admired, tired of love uninspired...

Twue.

158 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:02:30pm

re: #151 Charles

However -- I never saw the kind of insanely inflated numbers that are going around the right wing blogosphere

The original Million Man March in 95 was the closest I've seen to this

159 voirdire  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:02:31pm

Current state of political discourse:

Dem: 10,000!
Rep: 2,000,000!
Ind: "They're lying!"

160 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:02:36pm

re: #113 Pianobuff

Yes We Khan!

if Frank Sinatra says so, 'cause he calls the shots for all those guys.

161 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:02:51pm

re: #151 Charles

We reported here on several instances in which left wing demonstration organizers tried to pump up their numbers. It's a pretty common thing.

However -- I never saw the kind of insanely inflated numbers that are going around the right wing blogosphere. A typical left wing exaggeration would be taking a crowd that was about 100,000 people and claiming 250,000.

The right wingers have got them beaten by an order of magnitude. They're inflating the numbers by ten- or twenty-fold.

Where's buzzsawmonkey to do a parody of the old Ball Park Franks ad?

"They plump when you cook 'em!"

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:03:35pm

re: #33 Charles

The Telegraph's number was a complete fraud.

There were about 100,000 people there, probably fewer.

Which is not a bad turnout for a demonstration. Not everything is the March on Washington.

163 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:03:36pm

Perhaps these numbers being pumped up into the millions is the kook's way of equating their protests to the numbers from Obama's inauguration. He had millions, they have "millions". It's another way to delegitimize Obama, and feel they are still the majority in this country. Just a theory.

164 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #151 Charles

They're inflating the numbers by ten- or twenty-fold.

At this rate they will be competing with the Fed for highest inflation rates. /

165 greygandalf  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:03:58pm

re: #151 Charles


The right wingers have got them beaten by an order of magnitude. They're inflating the numbers by ten- or twenty-fold.

Go big or go home!

166 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #163 Sharmuta

That makes sense.

167 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:04:14pm

Cask of Amon TEA lado party

168 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:04:27pm

re: #152 LudwigVanQuixote

He's a TR terrier also called a Rat terrier (named that way bc TR used them to clear rats out of the whitehouse)

They are super smart little guys who were bred as farm dogs and family companions in NY, PA and Ohio originally.

They are mostly fox terrier, with a bit of beagle and whippet thrown in.
[Link: images.google.com...]

Ahhh... Thank you kindly for the explanation.

I found a picture of a female with very tiny pups suckling. My wife is having an 'awww' moment.

169 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #160 Mad Al-Jaffee

if Frank Sinatra says so, 'cause he calls the shots for all those guys.

You're thinking of Sammy Kahn.

170 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:05:13pm

Media Matters suddenly thinks I'm OK:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

171 Baier  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:06:15pm

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Hey! I attended University of Somethingorother, thank you very much!

Did you hear about university Sometingorother's latest study that diarrhea is genetic? It runs in your jeans.

172 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:06:30pm

Who Is Dan Bana.

173 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:06:53pm

re: #170 Charles

Media Matters suddenly thinks I'm OK:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Pam Geller quoted "Dan Bana"

*snicker*

174 theheat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:06:54pm

Beck is never one to let facts get in the way of a good story. If anything, he has amazing endurance to keep making up preposterous shit day after day. What an imagination.

And people keep watching him. I won't even watch Jerry Springer, it's so stupid, yet every day ears and eyes are focused on what this lunatic has to talk about. I really don't get it. He and the rest of these sensationalistic "conservative" pundits are driving the clown car that is the GOP right over a cliff.

I'm standing on the edge, waving as they go past.

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #46 Charpete67

I saw somewhere that the fire dept estimated about 70k

Yes, but we suspect that the fire department is a left-wing organization.

///

176 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:07:28pm

re: #172 jaunte

Who Is Dan Bana.

David Barna, a Park Service spokesman

177 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:07:31pm

I haven't exaggerated in like, a million years...

178 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:07:38pm

Dan Bana fills us with nirth.

179 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:07:46pm

re: #163 Sharmuta

Perhaps these numbers being pumped up into the millions is the kook's way of equating their protests to the numbers from Obama's inauguration. He had millions, they have "millions". It's another way to delegitimize Obama, and feel they are still the majority in this country. Just a theory.

As Charles said, not uncommon at all for any event. Farrakhan stated that there were about 1.5 million at the original Million Man March in 95. The BBC reported it to be 1.9 million (where they got that is still a mystery). Park services stated 400K. After some wrangling park services and Farrakhan seemed to have settled on 850K

180 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:07:46pm

re: #172 jaunte

Who Is Dan Bana.

Ban Dana and Ban Anna's brother. /

181 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:08:15pm

re: #168 Pianobuff

Ahhh... Thank you kindly for the explanation.

I found a picture of a female with very tiny pups suckling. My wife is having an 'awww' moment.

It's the ears that get you...

Honestly they are some of the most expressive and clever dogs you will ever meet.

Mine is a brindle with a white tummy and tail tip (I hate the idea of docking).

As a for instance, of how clever they are, my little guy can't make it up to the kitchen table on a bounce, and he knows he is not allowed up there. Sure enough I cam home to find him happily surfing up there - and a bunch of pillows and blankets he had wadded up on the side of the table to make a higher jump point...

They are wonderful dogs, but you have to keep them busy, or they become a handful.

182 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:08:26pm

re: #172 jaunte

Who Is Dan Bana.

He's the guy who wears the hanker chief around his head backwards.

183 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:08:48pm

re: #180 DaddyG

He was just here, but Dan Bana split.

184 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:07pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Pam Geller quoted "Dan Bana"

*snicker*

She can't read or type when she's drinking.

185 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:08pm

Green Zone in Baghdad under fire from mortars while VP Biden at Embassy in Baghdad.

Three large explosions near the American Embassy shook downtown Baghdad Tuesday night while Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. was in the compound.

The U.S. vice president Joe Biden arrived in Baghdad on an unannounced visit to Iraq on Tuesday.

The first two mortars struck an apartment complex across the street from the embassy compound, according to a Western security adviser who was in the area. An ambulance and fire engine were seen driving toward the apartments. The third mortar, which also appeared to have struck outside the embassy compound, may not have exploded.

An American surveillance helicopter and an attack helicopter circled the area across the river from the embassy compound, moving in the direction of the Sadr City district, a frequent launching site for attacks. Iraqi witnesses said they saw flashes, like those associated with mortar fire, coming from the Karada neighborhood, about two miles from the embassy compound.

Coincidence, or did someone have good intel? Either way, they (that includes the USSS, US military and Iraqi military) better get that security situation straightened out.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:23pm

re: #89 OldLineTexan

The third most frightening Khan of all!

/Genghis Khan
/Chaka Khan
/Farrakhan

You have forgotten Genghis's wife, Rhoda Kahn.

187 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:24pm

From Pam Geller:

Here's the video over at CSPAN of millions on the mall. Incredible. Look at the pan of the crowd shot. The left fascists are debating the number to take the focus off what happened in Washington, D.C., this weekend. I'll go with the Parks department estimates, thankyouverymuch.

A 9-12 participant in DC claims to have overheard DC police discussing the crowd numbers. They put the numbers at over 2 million -- and those were only the people who could make it into the city. The local authorities as well as many participants claim that many many more could not even get into the city to the core of the protest.

Well, there you go. Must be twue.

188 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:29pm

What have I missed?

Just got back from a meeting with 879,224 colleagues.

189 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:29pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

As Charles said, not uncommon at all for any event. Farrakhan stated that there were about 1.5 million at the original Million Man March in 95. The BBC reported it to be 1.9 million (where they got that is still a mystery). Park services stated 400K. After some wrangling park services and Farrakhan seemed to have settled on 850K

...so, 400k then?

190 Baier  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:09:29pm

re: #172 jaunte

Who Is Dan Bana.

Rosannadanna knows Dan Bana

191 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:01pm

Uh-oh - There's trouble in River City. With a capital T that rhymes with P that stands for Participation in the Health Insurance Exchange.

Latino Lawmaker Rips Obama for Making It Harder for Illegals to Buy Private Insurance

192 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:07pm

re: #184 Sharmuta

She can't read or type when she's drinking.

Could there be another explanation?

193 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:19pm

re: #183 jaunte

He was just here, but Dan Bana split.

That was cherry ...

194 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:22pm

OT: Well Color me surprised: HRW analyst suspended over Nazi items

195 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:23pm

re: #142 Charles

So are you saying you contacted DC FEMS Charles? (I regret my skepticism here, but I have seen that same unattributed stat several places and I want to ensure its reliability. I mean no disrespect.)

re: #144 turn

I can't claim complete credit for it Turn. Charlie Martin, in his analysis the other day, pointed to the WMATA stats, but were not available until this afternoon.

I honestly believe the number to be much larger than 65k, on the order of 100k. Imagery of Grant Park / West Lawn area suggest it was pretty well filled up and were it packed, it would hold about 250k people. I don't think the density of people shown in the pictures supports a number as low as 65 - 70k.

I'd also add that for the Inauguration, the estimates were much larger than the Metro ridership (1.2 million attendees?) I wholly admit I am simply just doubling the number as that seems to be the multiplier for Inauguration Day.

196 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:10:48pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Could there be another explanation?

Her factchecker is on the fritz.

197 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #185 lawhawk

Hey LH, why the hell didn't O send Hillary? After all she is the SOS. She must really be peeved.

198 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:11:34pm

"I'm Dan Bana, and you're not..."

199 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:11:50pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

You have forgotten Genghis's wife, Rhoda Kahn.

She made him so angry once that he stormed out of Mongolia and forgot to burn every village in a 250 mile square area...

200 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:11:55pm

Someone plug Dan Bana into The Name Game!


Youtube Video
201 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #188 Oh no...Sand People!

What have I missed?

Just got back from a meeting with 879,224 colleagues.

You have about a billion posts to read to catch up!

202 Baier  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:12:45pm

...

203 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:12:46pm

Charles:
I'm stuck in all day mtgs here trying to stay awake through powerpoints, but I thought I'd take a break from the oh so exciting new biz speak fad to stop in and lend a word of encouragement.

You are right. These are socon/paleocon fringers, some of whom aren't even Republicans trying for a power putsch through a lot of noise and hysteria during the pre-election power vacuum. Most of them are Socons who've adapted Fiscon camo.

The cockroaches have come out from the baseboards now that W. Buckley's dead, the hysteria cannot last because there's really no focus other than "they're bad." Eventually crying wolf will catch up to them, so thanks, and Please do keep it up.

204 Cato the Elder  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:13:15pm

re: #151 Charles

We reported here on several instances in which left wing demonstration organizers tried to pump up their numbers. It's a pretty common thing.

However -- I never saw the kind of insanely inflated numbers that are going around the right wing blogosphere. A typical left wing exaggeration would be taking a crowd that was about 100,000 people and claiming 250,000.

The right wingers have got them beaten by an order of magnitude. They're inflating the numbers by ten- or twenty-fold.

The organizers of every demonstration I've ever been to or heard of have complained about the Parks Department undercounting their attendance numbers.

Look it up, people. The Million Man March. The Million Mom March. MLK Jr.'s March on Washington. The anti-Vietnam War Moratioria. And now this.

Either one has to believe that officialdom hates every conceivable group, from Tea Partiers to moms, and deliberately lowballs the numbers, or else every single event sponsor has an interest in inflating them for effect.

Given that reimbursement or allocations for park maintenance etc. depend in part on usage figures, it would be idiotic of the PD to lowball attendance. Therefore, logic dictates that whatever the cause of the demonstration, your most likely source for realistic numbers will be the guys who have to maintain order and clean up the mess.

So the people on both right and left who have historically screamed "you're miscounting us for political reasons" are wack. Especially since they all say it, regardless of their viewpoints or agendas.

And yes, Charles is right: This time they've gone beyond mere exaggeration into the realm of fantasy. Where the Republican party has been stuck since McCain got the nomination, and where it will remain until (I'm betting) at least 2016.

205 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:13:38pm

re: #196 jaunte

Her factchecker is on the fritz.

How does one get "Dan" out of "David"?

206 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:13:41pm

re: #200 MandyManners

Someone plug Dan Bana into The Name Game!




No offense oto our gracious and scaly host, but do NOT try the name game with Chuck. Trust me.

207 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Could there be another explanation?

There could be, but I was trying to be nice. The other explanation is she's completely effing stupid. Dan Bana? From David Barna? Drunk or stupid.

Maybe willfully making shit up. None of these are complementary, Mandy.

208 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:14:27pm

re: #195 bofhell

ok I'll go with between 70 and 100k. Why split hairs on this, perhaps sharm had it right in 163

209 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:14:36pm

re: #198 Athos

"I'm Dan Bana, and you're not..."

It could be worse. It could have been Hand Banana.

Youtube Video
210 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:15:00pm

re: #197 turn

Hey LH, why the hell didn't O send Hillary? After all she is the SOS. She must really be peeved.

She's still peeved about Bill going to NorK!

211 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:15:02pm
"There have been hundreds and thousands of protests by conservative groups that haven't been covered, and tiny turnouts by the left that are covered," Limbaugh said. "You know all this as well as I do. What about this? We're looking for a force multiplier. Yeah, the protest in Washington on Saturday was great, two million people, but imagine what a force multiplier would be if the next one were held outside of local and national television networks and their headquarters where they can't miss it?"

- Rush Limbaugh

212 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Could there be another explanation?

She cannot seem to remember to run her spell-checker. Not that this would save her on a name, but still.

re: #205 MandyManners

How does one get "Dan" out of "David"?

She doesn't re-read?

213 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:15:35pm

re: #208 turn

ok I'll go with between 70 and 100k. Why split hairs on this, perhaps sharm had it right in 163

I'm gonna go with 81,523...and that's my final word on this...we should all accept that number and move on...

214 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:16:21pm

re: #207 Sharmuta

There could be, but I was trying to be nice. The other explanation is she's completely effing stupid. Dan Bana? From David Barna? Drunk or stupid.

Maybe willfully making shit up. None of these are complementary, Mandy.

It's beyond me how she can get Dan outta' David.

215 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:16:24pm

re: #145 SixDegrees

Ah! Thank you Six! Do you have the link handy? I'd like to see it please. I have some box turtles around the yard I could dispatch to help find it...

216 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:16:31pm

I held a protest on the Mall once during the 60s but my mom spanked me on the butt and I stopped.

217 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:07pm

re: #209 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

It could be worse. It could have been Hand Banana.

Youtube Video

Or banana hammock.

218 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #210 sattv4u2

She's still peeved about Bill going to NorK!

Little kim sure did a whammy on her ...

219 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:13pm

re: #214 MandyManners

It's beyond me how she can get Dan outta' David.

I'm telling you- it's the sauce.

220 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:21pm

re: #194 Creeping Eruption

OT: Well Color me surprised: HRW analyst suspended over Nazi items

Suspended with pay.
He's off at the beergarten trading Nazi paraphernalia while saying how the joke's on the jooos now.

221 jaunte  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:29pm

re: #192 MandyManners

Could there be another explanation?

Someone named Thomas Lifson at American Thinker still has the 'Dan Bana' name quoted as the spokesperson.

222 theheat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:30pm

re: #152 LudwigVanQuixote

Good grief, you have those on purpose? I have a JRT and Italian Greyhound cross. I thought whoever thought it was a great idea to cross the two breeds was probably on medication.

A dog that misbehaves and ignores me at about 30 mph. That's my dog. I didn't think anyone else would even have one. Oh, and did I mention Italian Greyhounds are notoriously hard to housebreak?

Mine owns the place, all ten pounds of her. We've given up even trying to pretend any different.

223 fizzlogic  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:57pm

Are huge exaggerations an essential part of Alinsky's rules for radicals?

224 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:17:57pm

re: #213 Charpete67

I'm gonna go with 81,523...and that's my final word on this...we should all accept that number and move on...

Are you rounding 0.5 up or down?

225 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #212 Dianna

She doesn't re-read?

If I'm ever unsure of something like a name, I find it on the Internet and then post it here or on my own blog for comparison.

226 theheat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:18:19pm

re: #211 Oh no...Sand People!

My buddy Rush. Always good for something embarrassing and inflammatory.

227 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:18:43pm

re: #224 turn

Are you rounding 0.5 up or down?

neither...I'm right on...I made some phone calls and that's the exact number...I defy you to prove me wrong...

228 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:18:58pm

re: #195 bofhell

So are you saying you contacted DC FEMS Charles? (I regret my skepticism here, but I have seen that same unattributed stat several places and I want to ensure its reliability. I mean no disrespect.)

Uh, there's a link in the post.

229 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:18:59pm

re: #142 Charles

Sixdegrees alluded to a previous thread on this. I had looked but did not see it. Need I send box turtles to help find it?

230 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:19:06pm

re: #219 Sharmuta

I'm telling you- it's the sauce.

She's a blogger of some standing. Why in the hell would she drink while publishing?!

231 researchok  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:20:02pm

More pot stirring from TPM:

The politically charged issue of crowd size is complicated by the fact that there is no official estimate -- not from the Park Service, not from the D.C. Police, nor the Fire Department, etc. In fact, a Fire Department spokesman that I talked to told me that whoever had given a figure of 60,000-70,000 to ABC News had not been authorized to do so. So there's no independent source to verify FreedomWorks' latest number.

232 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:20:06pm

re: #222 theheat

Good grief, you have those on purpose? I have a JRT and Italian Greyhound cross. I thought whoever thought it was a great idea to cross the two breeds was probably on medication.

A dog that misbehaves and ignores me at about 30 mph. That's my dog. I didn't think anyone else would even have one. Oh, and did I mention Italian Greyhounds are notoriously hard to housebreak?

Mine owns the place, all ten pounds of her. We've given up even trying to pretend any different.

Too funny!

233 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #221 jaunte

Someone named Thomas Lifson at American Thinker still has the 'Dan Bana' name quoted as the spokesperson.

Looks like he's the source of the typo.

234 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:20:29pm

re: #228 Charles

Uh, there's a link in the post.

i'sat dat blue thingy?

235 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:20:38pm

re: #227 Charpete67

neither...I'm right on...I made some phone calls and that's the exact number...I defy you to prove me wrong...

I can. I made ONE phone call

Mortimer Snerd, who was going to go and IS in your count got a flat tire on Rte 95 just outside of Baltimore and didn't have a spare and never got there!

236 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:20:53pm

DOUBLE CHECK YOUR SOURCES, PAM.

237 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #227 Charpete67

neither...I'm right on...I made some phone calls and that's the exact number...I defy you to prove me wrong...

Did you study math at Beck's whatchmacallit U?

238 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #236 MandyManners

DOUBLE CHECK YOUR SOURCES, PAM.

"I did! That's what BPN, Gates of Vienna, and Robert all told me!"

//

239 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:22:04pm

re: #228 Charles

Uh, there's a link in the post.

Clicking links is teh hard too. Don't get me started on how hard reading is.

240 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:22:19pm

re: #230 MandyManners

She's a blogger of some standing. Why in the hell would she drink while publishing?!

I think you answered your own question.

She's a blogger of some standing.

/

241 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:22:22pm

The following is a Dianna pet peeve. It is not a criticism of whoever I copied it from:

None of these are complementary

From context, this was supposed to be "complimentary", that is to say, "a flattering observation."

However, the word used, "complementary" means "completing a phrase," or, "congruent, in agreement with."

Please make a note of it.

/the care and feeding of stupid pet peeves. Or, /stupid pet peeve tricks. Or something.

242 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:22:36pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

I can. I made ONE phone call

Mortimer Snerd, who was going to go and IS in your count got a flat tire on Rte 95 just outside of Baltimore and didn't have a spare and never got there!

...so, never got there?...read my post's...I said attended...checkmate...

243 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:22:50pm

re: #233 MandyManners

so HE was drinking while posting? Its epidemic! ;)

244 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:23:09pm

re: #242 Charpete67

...so, never got there?...read my post's...I said attended...checkmate...

Attended or Intended!

245 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:23:18pm

re: #228 Charles

The link is just going back to the discussion. I'm looking for a link to (for example) a press release from DC FEMS.

246 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:23:27pm

re: #236 MandyManners

DOUBLE CHECK YOUR SOURCES, PAM.

She's not able to do that. If she was, she might not have done this.

247 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:24:05pm

re: #245 bofhell

The link is just going back to the discussion. I'm looking for a link to (for example) a press release from DC FEMS.

Argh.

248 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:24:05pm

re: #241 Dianna

Please make a note of it.

/the care and feeding of stupid pet peeves. Or, /stupid pet peeve tricks. Or something.

Add abuse of "Group Think" for me please.

249 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:24:18pm

re: #241 Dianna

The following is a Dianna pet peeve. It is not a criticism of whoever I copied it from:

From context, this was supposed to be "complimentary", that is to say, "a flattering observation."

However, the word used, "complementary" means "completing a phrase," or, "congruent, in agreement with."

Please make a note of it.

/the care and feeding of stupid pet peeves. Or, /stupid pet peeve tricks. Or something.

Your really helping us their by telling us about you're pet peeves.

/couldn't help it...but I always mess those up...

250 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:24:21pm

re: #237 turn

Did you study math at Beck's whatchmacallit U?

Well, there are many wingnuts who studied the same place as Ren (of Ren and Stimpy) -
U Eeediot

251 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:24:32pm

OK, so the NPS and other government agencies don't want to get in the people count business. So, wasn't FOX and CNN there? Can't they go to their videotape and make a guess? Just saying.

252 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:24:56pm

re: #243 ArmyWife

so HE was drinking while posting? Its epidemic! ;)

Whole lotta drinkin' goin' on.

*hic*

253 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:01pm

Completely OT - any hunters here know anything about cooking wild birds? My brother went goose hunting for the first time yesterday and bagged two. He wants me to help him cook one tonight.

Should it be brined? If so, for how long? Any recipes or cooking hints? I thought about doing it in my smoker but I've only done store bought birds in it.

254 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:16pm

And if FOX or CNN have made estimates, I probably missed it because I don't watch them.

255 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:19pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

She's not able to do that. If she was, she might not have done this.

That's of an incredibly higher magnitude than Dan Bana.

256 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:48pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

Attended or Intended!

...I said checkmate...I am not open to reason at this point...

257 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:25:52pm

re: #248 DaddyG

Add abuse of "Group Think" for me please.

Sorry, you'll have to feed and exercise that one yourself. My kennel is full.

258 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:26:24pm
There’s another problem with the photograph: It doesn’t include the National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the corner of Fourth Street and Independence Avenue that opened on Sept. 14, 2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesn’t show the “tea party” crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.

Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. According to Randall Kremer, the museum’s director of public affairs, “The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX theater was being built.”

I won't be part or parcel of a group that lies and I won't follow their lead. What a bunch of shit.

259 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:26:30pm

re: #241 Dianna

I need people like you in my world. You see, I know this, but the fingers fly faster and all the other good excuses I come up with. Let me take this moment for the gazilliontyith time to thank my assistant who wonders, as do I, why I can spot a mistake while proofing the work of another from a mile away, but can't seem to see my mistakes until I hit send or print. You have my undying respect.

260 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:26:39pm

re: #237 turn

Did you study math at Beck's whatchmacallit U?

Or Bullwinkle's alma mater, Wassamatta U?

261 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:26:49pm

re: #251 DailyCOS

OK, so the NPS and other government agencies don't want to get in the people count business. So, wasn't FOX and CNN there? Can't they go to their videotape and make a guess? Just saying.

a 'guess"

of a crowd in the tens of thousands across many city blocks?

How do you propose they "guess". Take a photo of one city corner,count the people, then multiply that by the number of city corners involved?

262 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:26:57pm

re: #211 Oh no...Sand People!

- Rush Limbaugh

"I'm Rush Limbaugh and I'm apparently as familiar with the truth as Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, Ed Schultz, and Randi Rhodes are."

263 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:26:59pm

Did any of the news outfits make guesses as to the crowd? They could at least look at their own footage of the event. Fox, CNN? Bueller?

264 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:27:00pm

MLK in 2009:

"I have an actuary! Now everyone stand real still and keep your hands up until we count the content of the mall not the color of your state."

265 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:27:06pm

they're using the Raymond "rainman" Babbitt idiot savant logic for their totals...
"Ray? how many people were at the rally?
Raymond: "Like 2 million..."
Ray? how much does a candy bar cost?
Raymond: "Like..2 million dollars...lots and lots of republicans there, very warm that day... 20 minutes to Wapner..."

266 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:27:12pm

"Dan Bana" is such a farcical name (would any mother name her child that?) that I would be reaching for the original NPS report.

267 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:27:13pm

re: #255 MandyManners

She doesn't care where she gets a story so long as it fits her narrative. She's also not capable of proof reading her own stuff. And her reputation for drinking is well known. Altogether- a very sloppy and unreliable blogger- with no credibility.

268 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:27:41pm

re: #237 turn

Did you study math at Beck's whatchmacallit U?

I is smart as you is dum...

269 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:27:51pm

re: #256 Charpete67

...I said checkmate...I am not open to reason at this point...

Oh ,,I thought you were agreeing with me in Aussie speak

"Check ,,mate!"

270 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:28:02pm

It's not as bad as Benjamin Dover but, still.

271 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:28:12pm

re: #266 MandyManners

"Dan Bana" is such a farcical name (would any mother name her child that?) that I would be reaching for the original NPS report.

I thought the same thing about Dweezil and Moon Unit...

272 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:28:14pm

re: #266 MandyManners

"Dan Bana" is such a farcical name (would any mother name her child that?) that I would be reaching for the original NPS report.

Roseanne Roseannedanbana?

273 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:28:49pm

re: #247 Charles

Sigh. Life in the 21st Century.

274 fizzlogic  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:28:54pm

This is another great video...

Youtube Video

If it weren't for FNC... :)

275 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #266 MandyManners

"Dan Bana" is such a farcical name (would any mother name her child that?) that I would be reaching for the original NPS report.

Actually ,, there IS a Dana BanNa

(sports figure)

[Link: www.google.com...]

276 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:09pm

re: #250 Kosh's Shadow

Well, there are many wingnuts who studied the same place as Ren (of Ren and Stimpy) -
U Eeediot

haha Been a long time since I've seen those cartoons, turnspawn used to watch it and he's 25 now.

277 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:17pm

re: #269 sattv4u2

Oh ,,I thought you were agreeing with me in Aussie speak

"Check ,,mate!"

nice recovery...my fist is now unclenched...

278 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:30pm

re: #253 Mad Al-Jaffee

Completely OT - any hunters here know anything about cooking wild birds? My brother went goose hunting for the first time yesterday and bagged two. He wants me to help him cook one tonight.

Should it be brined? If so, for how long? Any recipes or cooking hints? I thought about doing it in my smoker but I've only done store bought birds in it.

Brine it for at least 24 hours; the brining mixture should have (before cooling) been boiled with 1/2 cup coarse salt and 3 cinnamon sticks. Add an apple if you like.

If you want something very, very simple, after you've thoroughly cleaned the body cavity, take some yellow onions, cut them in half, and cover them in butter and honey.

Also, make a light honey glaze for the outside. There are about 30 recipes for that, but I always use egg, vinegar and honey.

279 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #265 Spider Mensch

they're using the Raymond "rainman" Babbitt idiot savant logic for their totals...
"Ray? how many people were at the rally?
Raymond: "Like 2 million..."
Ray? how much does a candy bar cost?
Raymond: "Like..2 million dollars...lots and lots of republicans there, very warm that day... 20 minutes to Wapner..."

I'd prefer Gully Dwarf math.

How many do you see?
2.
I see a lot more than 2.
Let me check again, 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1. No more than 2.

280 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:34pm

Or, Richard Head.

281 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:54pm

re: #253 Mad Al-Jaffee

Completely OT - any hunters here know anything about cooking wild birds? My brother went goose hunting for the first time yesterday and bagged two. He wants me to help him cook one tonight.

Should it be brined? If so, for how long? Any recipes or cooking hints? I thought about doing it in my smoker but I've only done store bought birds in it.

Hi mad! This site looks pretty good:

Goose Recipes

282 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:54pm

re: #136 theuglydougling

I've been taking their online courses for an unspecified amount of time.

Is the tuition variable?

283 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #266 MandyManners

"Dan Bana" is such a farcical name (would any mother name her child that?) that I would be reaching for the original NPS report.

Oh- I've seen some that have made me cringe. I should email you some.

284 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:30:09pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

tee hee

285 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #280 MandyManners

Or, Richard Head.

Or, as we have here, Delicious Peters.
And he's the II.

286 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:14pm

re: #259 ArmyWife

I need people like you in my world. You see, I know this, but the fingers fly faster and all the other good excuses I come up with. Let me take this moment for the gazilliontyith time to thank my assistant who wonders, as do I, why I can spot a mistake while proofing the work of another from a mile away, but can't seem to see my mistakes until I hit send or print. You have my undying respect.

I miss my own, too.

We all miss our mistakes because each one of us knows perfectly well what she meant to say.

287 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:14pm

re: #278 Dianna

Thanks! I don't think he brined either bird. I'll find out soon.

288 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:25pm

re: #253 Mad Al-Jaffee

Completely OT - any hunters here know anything about cooking wild birds? My brother went goose hunting for the first time yesterday and bagged two. He wants me to help him cook one tonight.

Should it be brined? If so, for how long? Any recipes or cooking hints? I thought about doing it in my smoker but I've only done store bought birds in it.

I am an avid hunter...and, as my father in law says..."pheasant and grouse are great just about anyway you make them...and if you don't find the duck or goose after you shoot it...that's okay..."

289 eastsider  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:43pm

Crying wolf is a major issue right now because we are at the rhetorical ceiling. Seriously, What would happen if Obama right now actually did try to do something crazy? How would the right react?

For those out there saying "the craziness is a fringe movement," I'd like to hear what they expect to happen when Immigration reform comes on the table in a few months/next year.

How will the 70,000/1.5M people react then? Because without any real way to escalate the already shrill arguments coming from the "crazies"--AND party leaders (they've been at best complicit with this), the only options left are nihilism and violence.

290 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:53pm

re: #283 Sharmuta

Oh- I've seen some that have made me cringe. I should email you some.

Are they as funny as the ones Click and Clack read on NPR's Car Talk?

291 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:56pm

I don't care if it was 20,000 or 2 million. As a developed nation we should be able to quickly and amicably agree on an estimated crowd size AT THE CAPITOL.

292 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:31:59pm
293 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:08pm

re: #280 MandyManners

Or, Richard Head.

Oh...you'll enjoy this...

or perhaps not.

294 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:14pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

Or, as we have here, Delicious Peters.
And he's the II.

Huh? For real?

295 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:15pm

re: #266 MandyManners

The type that would name their daughter Ima Hogg. Or my SIL's grandfather Seymour Wiener. How could you forget Seymour? That is the funniest story I have in my bag o' funny stories! Except the deck being blown up, but besides that!

296 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:16pm

re: #280 MandyManners

Or, Richard Head.

My mother swears she went to school with a kid named Irving Irving

297 Dainn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:43pm

Wait a minute. Why was the flag at half mast during the promise keepers rally? I know most of the nutroots are sayign this picture is fake, but lets see some evidence. This is LGF after all.

Michelle Malkin has a time lapse version of the photograph saying it's taken on 9/12. If she is lying, then it should be easy to prove.

I've been looking for the evidence that this is from an older rally, but all i can find is left wings sites saying so with no evidence. Where is the proof?

298 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:53pm

re: #292 maximoso

You can't even manage an interesting flounce?

299 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:32:58pm

Flounce #5!

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:00pm

#4

301 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:17pm

re: #253 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Lots of fat ... heh this article doesn't even give you a cooking temp. My guess would be low and long.

302 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:19pm

re: #292 maximoso

If you don't want to use your account anymore -- don't log in. Problem solved.

What is so frickin' hard about this concept?

303 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:27pm

re: #292 maximoso

Gonna' stomp your widdle feet?

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:41pm

re: #299 Charles

Flounce #5!

you say 5, I say 4, let's call it 57.

305 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:33:55pm

re: #299 Charles

Flounce #5!

...at least he didn't say Chucky...

306 eastsider  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:34:01pm

re: #299 Charles

Flounce #5!

I think the flouncing on this website is pretty much a microcosm of the mass exodus from rationalism of many, many people in this country.

307 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:34:11pm

DCFIREEMS Tweet:

[Link: twitter.com...]

308 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:34:20pm

re: #295 ArmyWife

The type that would name their daughter Ima Hogg. Or my SIL's grandfather Seymour Wiener. How could you forget Seymour? That is the funniest story I have in my bag o' funny stories! Except the deck being blown up, but besides that!

The Hogg sisters.

Did the deck incident involve a bit of beer and TNT?

309 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:34:30pm

re: #261 sattv4u2

Maybe use something like this?

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

and a couple cameras?

You know, you're one of the reasons why I hate coming to this blog. Smart ass.

310 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:34:43pm

re: #297 Dainn

Wait a minute. Why was the flag at half mast during the promise keepers rally? I know most of the nutroots are sayign this picture is fake, but lets see some evidence. This is LGF after all.

Michelle Malkin has a time lapse version of the photograph saying it's taken on 9/12. If she is lying, then it should be easy to prove.

I've been looking for the evidence that this is from an older rally, but all i can find is left wings sites saying so with no evidence. Where is the proof?

Of course, it would help if you actually read the article at the link:

There’s another problem with the photograph: It doesn’t include the National Museum of the American Indian, a building located at the corner of Fourth Street and Independence Avenue that opened on Sept. 14, 2004. (Looking at the photograph, the building should be in the upper right hand corner of the National Mall, next to the Air and Space Museum.) That means the picture was taken before the museum opened exactly five years ago. So clearly the photo doesn’t show the “tea party” crowd from the Sept. 12 protest.

Also worth noting are the cranes in front of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. According to Randall Kremer, the museum’s director of public affairs, “The last time cranes were in front was in the 1990s when the IMAX theater was being built.”

311 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:34:55pm

re: #118 SixDegrees

It's pure BS, just on the grounds of reality. Obama's inauguration brought in somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 - 1.8 million, and it brought DC to it's knees, despite weeks of detailed advance planning. There were no disruptions worthy of note around DC over the weekend, and no shortage of accommodations, either, as one would expect from an influx of the claimed size.

Until Beck produces a source, it's just more Beck Dreck.

Many of the estimates, including Beck's university guess were taken without context. You can do a fair count if you know the area covered by the crowd and it's density. If you assume one person in 2 1/2 square feet as many did, you get a big number, maybe well over 100,000, but video's clearly show lots of empty space between protestors. 2 1/2 square feet is rock concert, near the stage numbers.
The protest was clearly not one of the bigger ones, even though it was a bigger than some suggested. I'd be shocked if the number ends up being much over 100K, and probably less.

312 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:08pm

re: #296 sattv4u2

My mother swears she went to school with a kid named Irving Irving

I used to work with a guy named Richard Bush. Of course, he went by "Dick."

313 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:08pm

re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar

you say 5, I say 4, let's call it 57.

That's the 57 states of flouncing. We've had a few today: the racist; polite; angry; rhetorical... come on flouncers or soon to be flouncers, we want to hear from you too. If you come to flounce, you better have your game face on. ///

314 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:08pm

Here's the weirod thing: I probably have log-ins in places I don't remember. I just forgot about them.

If you haven't contributed anything in three years, yet you care enough to flounce...something odd going on here.

315 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:15pm

Charles, can you continue to keep my account alive? I have been a long time reader of LGF and I appreciate how you can keep a level head when others can't, and see things as they are as opposed to the rose-tinted glasses and/or beer goggles that many other bloggers seem to wear.

/I had to, the flouncing going seems so ridiculous.

Keep up the good work, Charles!

316 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:21pm

re: #309 DailyCOS

Maybe use something like this?

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

and a couple cameras?

You know, you're one of the reasons why I hate coming to this blog. Smart ass.

Oh ,, please ,,tell me the other "reasons"

317 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #294 MandyManners

Huh? For real?

For real.
And he's the 2nd.
For real.
I'll send you a link

318 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:36pm

We should put up a sideblog called LGF: LittleGreenFlounce.blogspot.com or something...

Where all the flounce posts can be put there as a kind of memorial...

319 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:36pm

re: #315 MrSilverDragon

Reverse flounce!

320 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:52pm

re: #308 MandyManners


A bit o' beer, a bit o' tequila and too much testosterone.

321 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:35:58pm

re: #296 sattv4u2

My mother swears she went to school with a kid named Irving Irving

There's an Irving Irving in some detective series. One of Harry Bosch's superiors, I think.

322 Dainn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:36:25pm

Politifact is saying Your text to link...this picture is the one that was really a promise keeper rally. This is not the one Charles posted. Are we mixing up our stories?

323 EastSider  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:36:27pm

re: #321 MandyManners

There's an Irving Irving in some detective series. One of Harry Bosch's superiors, I think.

Not quite as good as Major Major Major Major from Catch 22 though.

324 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:37:14pm

Charles...can you cancel my cable TV?...I can't seem to get someone live on the phone and wondering if you...

325 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:37:15pm

Great, Fox news is going to cover the black/white, school bus fight. Now they can brag they are the only ones covering the 'big story" covered up by the liberal press.

326 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #322 Dainn

Politifact is saying Your text to link...this picture is the one that was really a promise keeper rally. This is not the one Charles posted. Are we mixing up our stories?

I didn't post any picture. What's in the post at the top of this thread is a video.

327 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:37:27pm

re: #321 MandyManners

There's an Irving Irving in some detective series. One of Harry Bosch's superiors, I think.

Yeah, he's in at least the first 2 Harry Bosch books by Michael Connelly.

328 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:37:35pm

re: #309 DailyCOS

re: #316 sattv4u2

Oh ,, please ,,tell me the other "reasons"

AND ,,, please tell me why you keep doing something you "hate" doing?

Whats that classic definition of insanity!?!?!

329 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:37:59pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

For real.
And he's the 2nd.
For real.
I'll send you a link

Oh, I believe it.

330 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:38:03pm

re: #314 EmmmieG

Here's the weirod thing: I probably have log-ins in places I don't remember. I just forgot about them.

If you haven't contributed anything in three years, yet you care enough to flounce...something odd going on here.

They feel the need to let us know they're walking out the door. I suspect they think we give a rat's ass, but we don't. It's really pathetic.

331 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:38:11pm

re: #322 Dainn

Politifact is saying Your text to link...this picture is the one that was really a promise keeper rally. This is not the one Charles posted. Are we mixing up our stories?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

332 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:38:12pm

re: #321 MandyManners

There's an Irving Irving in some detective series. One of Harry Bosch's superiors, I think.

Hmmm,, interesting. I'll ask my mother if she was ever in a detective series!

//

333 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:38:25pm

re: #323 EastSider

I knew a Major Sergeant. Now he is Colonel Sergeant.

334 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #327 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, he's in at least the first 2 Harry Bosch books by Michael Connelly.

I love Connelly.

335 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:39:17pm

re: #333 ArmyWife

I knew a Major Sergeant. Now he is Colonel Sergeant.

I saw a Captain Obvious.

It was on Digg..so I am sure it is suspect...

336 EastSider  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #333 ArmyWife

I knew a Major Sergeant. Now he is Colonel Sergeant.

almost as good as this particular captain:

[Link: tinypic.com...]

337 saylorfam  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #333 ArmyWife

At one point in my navy career I was Seaman Saylor...

338 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:39:38pm

re: #318 Oh no...Sand People!

We should put up a sideblog called LGF: LittleGreenFlounce.blogspot.com or something...

Where all the flounce posts can be put there as a kind of memorial...

They're not worth the effort. They're not worth remembering either.

339 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:40:31pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

Excuse me, is this YOUR blog or Charles'. Three fucking replies to my question. Must be feeling mighty tough today. FOAD!

340 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:07pm

I need more aspirin.

My boss is messing with my numbers, and this is dangerous.

341 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:19pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

They're not worth the effort. They're not worth remembering either.

I think most of us could come up with more interesting flounces than the ones we get.

342 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:23pm

re: #335 Oh no...Sand People!

I saw a Captain Obvious.

It was on Digg..so I am sure it is suspect...

As long as Major Woody, Private Parts, and Corporal Punishment were not involved it's not a definite scam.

343 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:38pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

so I should stop crocheting the tu-tus? I think people should wear tu-tus when they flounce. It seems the appropriate flounce attire.

344 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:40pm

re: #340 Dianna

I need more aspirin.

My boss is messing with my numbers, and this is dangerous.

I didn't know you worked for the National Park Service in DC /

345 SummerSong  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:46pm

Dan Bana = band-aida?

346 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:50pm

re: #337 saylorfam

At one point in my navy career I was Seaman Saylor...

we had a local radio station here, years ago, who would call this guy named Harry Hole and tell him he won free tickets or whatever...it took several months before this poor guy figured out why he kept winning free stuff.

347 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:41:52pm

re: #337 saylorfam

At one point in my navy career I was Seaman Saylor...

Major A**hole

Youtube Video
348 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:42:30pm

Notice that the new, improved, LGF-free Powerline is one of the right wing blogs that tried to promote the fraudulent photograph.

“I have no doubt that Washington Democrats are well aware of how many people turned out, even as their media outlets try to downplay the event,” said Power Line, a conservative blog that linked to the photograph from Say Anything, another conservative Web site.

349 Dianna  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:42:55pm

re: #319 Charles

Reverse flounce!

If I wear a nice, full skirt, can I flirt the flounces?

350 SummerSong  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #296 sattv4u2

My mother swears she went to school with a kid named Irving Irving

I worked with a senior citizen named, "Bo-Peep". Her real first name!

351 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:44:06pm

Obama to appear on 5 Sunday talk shows to push his health care agenda. That's right 5. This guy should have his own network. All Obama, all the time.

352 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:44:08pm

re: #339 DailyCOS

Might I suggest some chamomile tea and reading some of the funny posts up thread?

353 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #340 Dianna

I need more aspirin.

My boss is messing with my numbers, and this is dangerous.

Which ones, 36, 24, or 36?
/

354 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:44:23pm

re: #340 Dianna

I need more aspirin.

My boss is messing with my numbers, and this is dangerous.

You work for Glenn Beck?

355 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:45:06pm

re: #339 DailyCOS

Excuse me, is this YOUR blog or Charles'. Three fucking replies to my question. Must be feeling mighty tough today. FOAD!

Well,,, you certainly put me in MY place!!

{sigh}

356 Dainn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:45:20pm

Hmm, okay. I admit I was skeptical when I saw the picture. I guess I just want to see both pictures: the one that is supposed to be from 9/12, and the original in its original context.

If the picture is really a fake, the right are nuts to use it at all.

Nuts. That seems to be a theme lately.

357 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:45:23pm

re: #342 ArchangelMichael

As long as Major Woody, Private Parts, and Corporal Punishment were not involved it's not a definite scam.

How about the Romans
Nortius Maximus
and
Biggus Dickus

358 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:45:29pm

re: #353 turn

Which ones, 36, 24, or 36?
/

25 or 6 to 4?

359 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:45:42pm

re: #350 SummerSong

I worked with a senior citizen named, "Bo-Peep". Her real first name!


Was she sheepish about it?

360 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #351 HelloDare

Obama to appear on 5 Sunday talk shows to push his health care agenda. That's right 5. This guy should have his own network. All Obama, all the time.

Doesn't he already?

361 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:46:23pm

re: #359 sattv4u2

Was she sheepish about it?

That's baaad.

362 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:46:33pm

re: #339 DailyCOS

Why are you being an asshole?

363 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:46:46pm

re: #358 Mad Al-Jaffee

25 or 6 to 4?

Forty-six and 2

364 turn  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:46:51pm

re: #358 Mad Al-Jaffee

25 or 6 to 4?

She's in SF, not Chicago. (great song btw) bbiab, video is done copying.

365 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #352 ArmyWife

Might I suggest some chamomile tea and reading some of the funny posts up thread?

That,,,or not veiwing LGF anymore, seeing that she/ he hates coming here

366 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #357 Kosh's Shadow

How about the Romans
Nortius Maximus
and
Biggus Dickus

I have a gweat fwiend in Wome called Biggus Dickus!

367 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:10pm

re: #362 MandyManners

Taking after his namesake, perhaps?

368 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:25pm

re: #351 HelloDare

Obama to appear on 5 Sunday talk shows to push his health care agenda. That's right 5. This guy should have his own network. All Obama, all the time.

They already have that...it's called MSNBC and CNN

369 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:36pm

re: #357 Kosh's Shadow

How about the Romans
Nortius Maximus
and
Biggus Dickus

Is that you, Mel Brooks?

370 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:42pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

Taking after his namesake, perhaps?

Markos,,, is that you ???

371 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:47:55pm

re: #366 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have a gweat fwiend in Wome called Biggus Dickus!

He has a wife, you know... her name is Incontinentia...

372 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:48:00pm

re: #366 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have a gweat fwiend in Wome called Biggus Dickus!

Do you know what his wife is called?
Incontinentia Buttocks.

373 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:48:15pm

re: #369 MandyManners

Is that you, Mel Brooks?

"Seize this Honcos!"

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #363 Desert Dog

Forty-six and 2

yes.

Youtube Video
375 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:48:28pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

Taking after his namesake, perhaps?

I sense someone pounding on his keyboard.

376 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:48:40pm

re: #309 DailyCOS

You know, you're one of the reasons why I hate coming to this blog. Smart ass.

Yes but it does make it ever so entertaining for the rest of us. Pass the popcorn.

377 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #369 MandyManners

Is that you, Mel Brooks?

Monty Python (Life of Brian, which you haven't seen. Brian's mother is named Mandy)

378 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:04pm

re: #373 ArchangelMichael

"Seize this Honcos!"

It's good to be the king.

379 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:08pm

re: #375 MandyManners

Wait! I have a tu-tu! He may need it!

380 SummerSong  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:20pm

re: #359 sattv4u2

Was she sheepish about it?

No, but when she ran from a spider, I told her she acting out of character. ;)

381 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:21pm

Be funny if Obama is sick on Sunday and he sends his teleprompter.

382 brennant  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:42pm

re: #372 Kosh's Shadow

"Wight! Take him away! I will not be widicuweld by the common soldowey!"

383 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:42pm

re: #377 Kosh's Shadow

Monty Python (Life of Brian, which you haven't seen. Brian's mother is named Mandy)

I'd heard that here.

384 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:45pm

Well, gotta go later all!

385 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:49:59pm

"The Twelve Chairs" was more pointedly funny.

386 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:50:10pm

re: #379 ArmyWife

Wait! I have a tu-tu! He may need it!

He's gotta' shave his legs first.

387 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:51:14pm

re: #137 bofhell

Has anyone seen a citeable reference from DC FEMS (Fire / Emergency Medical Services) on their 60-70k estimate? I've not seen anything to formally back that number up?

And AT LAST! WMATA's ridership numbers are online for Saturday:

[Link: www.wmata.com...]

437,624

That is a statistically significant increase from preceeding Saturdays:

5 Sep: 300,963
29 Aug: 303,997
22 Aug: 293,200
15 Aug: 337,070

Looking at the same period in September a year ago:

6 Sep 08: 202,528
13 Sep 08: 362,773

By comparison, on Inauguration Day this year, Metro reported rail ridership at 1,120,000.

My view? It's wholly reasonable that half the folks at the rally (~65k) took Metro and accounted for the ~130k extra trips.

Maybe, but there were other factors at play. i.e., the weather, the fact that locals tend to take the metro rather than drive when a protest is scheduled and comparing one year to the next is not as accurate as comparing recent Saturdays . No question there was a increase in ridership, but hard to pin a attendance figure from that.

388 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:52:26pm

LGF- still fact checking asses and taking names.

389 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #355 sattv4u2

{sigh}

390 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:00pm

And now here's something we hope you REALLY like: [WAY OT]

TMZ obtains audio tape of President Obama calling Kanye West a "jackass": [Link: bit.ly...] (~28s mark)

391 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:04pm

Charles -
I'm not sure why you've decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater...so am I to assume you think everybody who believes in the basic concept of what the TEA party movement is supposed to be are nut cases? Do you look at the TEA party movement with general contempt? Every day now there's a hit piece on something associated with it, and I was always under the impression that you were a (small "l") libertarian type, but now I'm genuinely confused. Could you please address the count put forth by Charlie Martin at Pajamas Media? and the potentially wild under reporting. His article seems reasonable and fairly accurate, but please tell me why it's not. We have both extremes clearly way out of line from 60,000 to 2 Million. We've had a media that for the last decade has consistently over reported million man marches that is doing its best to ignore this. Please provide a little balance to your own thoughts rather than trying to balance out the far right...the far left does that already.

392 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:04pm

re: #362 MandyManners

Why are you being an asshole?

Why must I be an obscene blogger in love?

393 Kragar  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:20pm

Obama Is Pushing Israel Toward War

Events are fast pushing Israel toward a pre-emptive military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, probably by next spring. That strike could well fail. Or it could succeed at the price of oil at $300 a barrel, a Middle East war, and American servicemen caught in between. So why is the Obama administration doing everything it can to speed the war process along?

At July's G-8 summit in Italy, Iran was given a September deadline to start negotiations over its nuclear programs. Last week, Iran gave its answer: No.

Instead, what Tehran offered was a five-page document that was the diplomatic equivalent of a giant kiss-off. It begins by lamenting the "ungodly ways of thinking prevailing in global relations" and proceeds to offer comprehensive talks on a variety of subjects: democracy, human rights, disarmament, terrorism, "respect for the rights of nations," and other areas where Iran is a paragon. Conspicuously absent from the document is any mention of Iran's nuclear program, now at the so-called breakout point, which both Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his boss Ali Khamenei insist is not up for discussion.

What's an American president to do in the face of this nonstarter of a document? What else, but pretend it isn't a nonstarter. Talks begin Oct. 1.

394 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #389 DailyCOS

{sigh}

prescient!

395 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:53:55pm

re: #385 badger1970

"The Twelve Chairs" was more pointedly funny.

12 Angry Men was good. But enough about the 9-12 rally.

396 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:54:45pm

re: #395 DaddyG

*still waiting for the rim shot*

397 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:54:51pm

re: #390 bofhell

And now here's something we hope you REALLY like: [WAY OT]

TMZ obtains audio tape of President Obama calling Kanye West a "jackass": [Link: bit.ly...] (~28s mark)

Right on, Mr. Prez.

398 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:05pm

re: #395 DaddyG

12 Angry Men was good. But enough about the 9-12 rally.

One of my alltime fav movies (the original ,,, the re-make, not so much)

So much talent in one room (literally)

Amazing

399 ArmyWife  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:17pm

re: #393 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I hope he brings cookies.

400 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:28pm

The world is turning upside down. Lindey Graham is on Fox saying he won't vote for a troop increase in Afghanistan without "benchmarks"

401 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:38pm

re: #391 m12edit

Mighty fucking presumptuous of ya'.

402 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:53pm
403 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:55:55pm

re: #394 sattv4u2

prescient!

...so...you win!

404 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:56:07pm

re: #397 marjoriemoon

And this is presidential decorum?

405 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:56:07pm

re: #392 DaddyG

Why must I be an obscene blogger in love?

Now I have that song in my head.

406 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:56:45pm

re: #333 ArmyWife

And no mention of Major Major so far??? I'm shocked! Joseph Heller is spinning rapidly...

407 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:56:59pm

re: #393 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Obama Is Pushing Israel Toward War

Meanwhile, the EU will be meeting with Iran
and they somehow think because the US will be there that the talks will lead to "progress" even though (they don't mention this) Iran has refused to discuss their nuclear program.
I guess they mean the talks will result in progress in putting the screws to Israel because of its nuclear program.

408 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:57:09pm

I'm going to delete posts that link to Pajamas Media. They feature the writings of a white supremacist, and I can't support that.

409 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:57:16pm

re: #391 m12edit

so am I to assume you think everybody who believes in the basic concept of what the TEA party movement is supposed to be are nut cases?

Is there some reason people like you keep insisting on putting words in Charles' mouth? He's stated repeatedly that it is the organizers that are the nut cases. It is people like you that keep extending this to include yourselves.

410 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:57:22pm

re: #403 Charpete67

...so...you win!

Nahhh ,,,

{burp}

411 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:57:31pm

re: #404 badger1970

And this is presidential decorum?

It sounded like a private discussion that was being taped for some reason. Or you don't think George Bush had any of these?

412 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:57:41pm

re: #391 m12edit

I agree with you. With all the news sources out there you'd think we could get a number that would give us a true idea of the crowd. That's what I was trying to get at before the lizard with the wise-ass gene decided to chime in.

413 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:57:52pm

re: #391 m12edit

so am I to assume you think everybody who believes in the basic concept of what the TEA party movement is supposed to be are nut cases?

If you would read, you would not have to make assuptions. The leadership of the tea parties is made up of nut. Many who follow are also nuts, but not all.

414 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:58:20pm

re: #408 Charles

I'm going to delete posts that link to Pajamas Media. They feature the writings of a white supremacist, and I can't support that.

Reminds me, I found that canceling email from Pajamas Media didn't cancel PJTV email, so I had to unsubscribe to that one. But it gave me a form to explain why, so I did so.

415 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:58:43pm
416 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #395 DaddyG

BLUCHER!

[as pointed out in #93 or so, Madeline Kahn is already tired...]

417 brennant  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:59:01pm

flouncey!

418 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:59:19pm

re: #416 bofhell

BLUCHER!

[as pointed out in #93 or so, Madeline Kahn is already tired...]

Nayyy!

(really doesn't translate via text does it)

419 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:59:33pm

re: #394 sattv4u2

Sorry that I fail to meet your high standards.

420 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:59:39pm

re: #411 marjoriemoon

I use the word Clymer all the time. I'm so glad that the president can give his attention to the would of entertainment. Maybe he can reiterate this on the Sunday shows and Lettermen.

421 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 12:59:43pm

Buckeye Nation! 1 post in 2 years and in fact your very first post.
And it gets deleted..
Your not fooling anyone...

422 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:00:17pm

re: #415 steel curtain

GET YOUR OWN BLOG.

423 Gus  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:00:33pm

re: #325 avanti

Great, Fox news is going to cover the black/white, school bus fight. Now they can brag they are the only ones covering the 'big story" covered up by the liberal press.

And the BS from Rush Limbaugh:

"[I]n Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering"

He missed the part where the black kids separated them -- twice. He is flat out lying when he says all the black kids were cheering. And now this is Obama's fault?

424 Rancher  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:00:36pm

Micheal Malkin says the photo is real, don't know if thats the photo that Charles was talking about. She has a bunch more photos too. This was posted on the twelfth so it may have been discredited. There were more people than was expected though, how many we may never know. Regardless, I would support the movement even if no one had showed up. I actually am happy that the left is this dismissive of the movement, it will bite them in the ass in 2010.

425 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:00:41pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

Buckeye Nation! 1 post in 2 years and in fact your very first post.
And it gets deleted..
Your not fooling anyone...

That one and Steel Curtain. Gotta wonder how long those sock puppets were kept in storage.

426 MilkOfMalfeasance  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:00:47pm

re: #408 Charles

I'm going to delete posts that link to Pajamas Media. They feature the writings of a white supremacist, and I can't support that.

Maybe I missed something. Charles have you dissasociated yourself with PJM?

427 Danny  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:01:46pm

re: #415 steel curtain

Yeah, it went downhill just about the time u posted, then suddenly went uphill again right after that.

428 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:02:09pm

re: #412 DailyCOS

I agree with you. With all the news sources out there you'd think we could get a number that would give us a true idea of the crowd. That's what I was trying to get at before the lizard with the wise-ass gene decided to chime in.

In case anyone is wondering, that would be YOURS TRULY

429 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:02:31pm

re: #426 MilkOfMalfeasance

Maybe I missed something. Charles have you dissasociated yourself with PJM?

I have not worked with them for more than two years. And now I won't link to them either unless or until they rethink their disastrous policy of promoting an open racist.

430 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:03:12pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

Buckeye Nation! 1 post in 2 years and in fact your very first post.
And it gets deleted..
Your not fooling anyone...

It up-dinged No. 391.

431 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:03:23pm

re: #419 DailyCOS

Sorry that I fail to meet your high standards.

No problem

I have high standards in low places, so it all evens out!

432 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:04:38pm

re: #420 badger1970

I use the word Clymer all the time. I'm so glad that the president can give his attention to the would of entertainment. Maybe he can reiterate this on the Sunday shows and Lettermen.

Oh give me break. They were having a private discussion, all 2 minutes of it, that was probably stuffed into something else. Again, you don't think Bush ever paid attention to the world of entertainment? Or do I have to scrounge up some examples of that.

433 MilkOfMalfeasance  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:06:29pm

re: #429 Charles
Sorry, I have a hard time keeping up to date with everything here on LGF, though I do check in daily. It's hard to stay in these discussions, they move pretty fast. I havent been to PJM in a while either, it started to irk me. Your name is still in the "About Us," they should remove that.

Thanks for sticking to your convictions though Charles, its the reason I have been a regular reader of your site for years now. Another voice of reason to help us all out.

Keep up the good work.

434 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:07:18pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

Buckeye Nation! 1 post in 2 years and in fact your very first post.
And it gets deleted..
Your not fooling anyone...

I wonder whether it was related to a banned poster, Buckeye Abroad.

435 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:07:36pm

You know what pisses me off the most? The tea party turds are trying to tell us that more people showed up to hear loonies rant than to see President Reagan's inaugurations.


Bullshit.

436 badger1970  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:08:00pm

re: #432 marjoriemoon

Bush did it too? Wow. The MSM will ignore it like it did the President Bush's asshole remark. /

437 theheat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:10:07pm

re: #423 Gus 802

He is flat out lying when he says all the black kids were cheering. And now this is Obama's fault?

Rush lying? That must be a first.

//

438 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:10:08pm

re: #428 sattv4u2

In case anyone is wondering, that would be YOURS TRULY

it's genetic?

439 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:10:27pm

re: #428 sattv4u2

I don't think anyone was wondering.

440 doubter4444  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:10:37pm

re: #85 Sharmuta

Is this the state of "right wing" journalism? Unnamed sources with claims that can't be verified? Now we're going to have weeks of people citing Beck siting nothing as proof. This would not fly if this was Keith Olberman. Yet it's beck, so people will lap this up and spew it back as if it's gospel truth. It just goes to show that people aren't interested in the truth but in propaganda that confirms what they already think.

What gets me even more is the smirking tools on the couch that abet him in this and his bullshit.
If they think of themselves as Journalists, then they ought to be ashamed to be sitting there, yet there they are lapping it all up and agreeing... I think it's pointless to bash Fox and the other networks, but this is really disgusting

441 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:10:50pm

re: #17 Charles

One of the crowd pictures going around the right wing blogs as "proof" that there were millions of people there, is a complete fraud. It's from 1997.

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Speaking of misleading photography, I watched a couple of video clips online that were taken during the rally near the Capitol building. The person holding the camera would start out with a shot of the Capitol in the background and the podium in front of that where the Tea Party speakers were blathering away. Then there'd be a slow horizontal pan away from the Capitol and across the large, tightly packed crowd surrounding the Reflecting Pool. The pan continues... pan, pan, pan -- and then abruptly stopping after doing about a 90° sweep away from the Capitol.

And why does the camera stop there? Simple: Because they didn't want to do a complete 180° towards the Washington Monument, as that would've revealed the embarrassingly large expanse of green grass on a Mall that wasn't packed with people from the Capitol all the way to the obelisk and most of the way to the Lincoln Memorial beyond that! (As was the case during the Obama Inaugural.)

442 Rancher  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #437 theheat

Rush lying? That must be a first.

//

He is only 99% accurate.

443 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:11:45pm

re: #436 badger1970

Bush did it too? Wow. The MSM will ignore it like it did the President Bush's asshole remark. /

I can do you one better. Here are some of my favorite Bushisms:

1. Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

2. I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.

3. They misunderestimated me.

4. Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

Calling Kayne West an asshole (which is, in fact, true) pales in comparison.

444 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:12:41pm

re: #430 MandyManners

Whatever...I've been reading Charles' blog since 2003. I just never felt the need to post anything until now. Beck was wrong about his figure, but the MSM was wrong about theirs too. I didn't know linking to PJM was evil. I figured that something Charles helped create was safe to post here. I guess wrong. If you want to bash me, go right ahead. At least Allahpundit and Ed over at Hot Air are open to debate.

445 theheat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:12:54pm

re: #442 Rancher

Didn't he also say there were about 2 million people at the tea party march on DC?

446 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:13:06pm

re: #443 marjoriemoon

I can do you one better. Here are some of my favorite Bushisms:

1. Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

2. I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.

3. They misunderestimated me.

4. Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?

Calling Kayne West an asshole (which is, in fact, true) pales in comparison.

...Kayne West is a jackass...can't accuse BHO of lying...it's the first thing he's said that I agree with.

447 Brigman  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:14:13pm

re: #429 Charles

I have not worked with them for more than two years. And now I won't link to them either unless or until they rethink their disastrous policy of promoting an open racist.

This makes me concerned, PJ is a place I go to a lot. Who are you referring to? Was there I post I missed about this. If so, I want to write to PJ and tell them I don't support it either, but I want to know who you are talking about. I noticed a link I posted was deleted just a few minutes ago.

448 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:14:48pm

re: #390 bofhell

And now here's something we hope you REALLY like: [WAY OT]

TMZ obtains audio tape of President Obama calling Kanye West a "jackass": [Link: bit.ly...] (~28s mark)

He should have them run that on the evening news, it's good for a 2 point, poll bounce at least.:)

449 Rancher  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:15:35pm

re: #445 theheat

Didn't he also say there were about 2 million people at the tea party march on DC?

I don't know. The way Rush covers himself on these things is he will always name his source so if the information is wrong it's the sources fault not his. I like him alot anyways.

450 theheat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #446 Charpete67

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that doesn't agree Kanye is a jackass after this most recent stunt, just one of several. Talented? Yes. Jackass? Definitely.

I thought it one of the best things to come out of Obama's mouth. It made me laugh out loud.

451 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:16:31pm

Wow. I attempted to address Charles in what I thought was a reasonable, non-vitriolic manner and was asking for clarification from him on his thoughts over all. (Re: wretchwench) I do read this blog frequently, and have done so for most of the last decade. I've defended Charles to many and continue to do so. However, with the whole TEA party thing he's been quite one sided in my opinion and is quick to point out anything the nut cases involved do and extremely slow to show anything else related to it, if at all.

Re: 401 MandyManners

Get over yourself. If you can't tell I was asking a specific question in search of a specific response from the guy who runs LGF, in a polite and respectful manner, you should leave posting to the grown ups. Just because I don't agree with everything on the site, doesn't mean I can't ask for specific clarification. It's up to Charles if he wants to respond, or someone else can add to the conversation.

452 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:16:36pm

re: #447 Brigman

This makes me concerned, PJ is a place I go to a lot. Who are you referring to? Was there I post I missed about this. If so, I want to write to PJ and tell them I don't support it either, but I want to know who you are talking about. I noticed a link I posted was deleted just a few minutes ago.

Robert Stacy McCain, friend of neo-Nazis, writer for racist hate sites VDARE and Takimag, attendee of hate group American Renaissance conferences, and member of the white supremacist group League of the South.

The featured writer on their front page yesterday.

453 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #411 marjoriemoon

It sounded like a private discussion that was being taped for some reason. Or you don't think George Bush had any of these?

They were setting up for a interview, and the chit chat was supposed to be off the record. BTW, I agree with the jackass comment.

454 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:18:59pm

re: #452 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain, friend of neo-Nazis, writer for racist hate site VDARE, attendee of hate group American Renaissance conferences, and member of the white supremacist group League of the South.

The featured writer on their front page yesterday.

Speaker at Robert Taft Club as well. (at the infamous Sala Thai restaurant, gathering spot of most of the paleocon racists.)

455 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:19:13pm

re: #453 avanti

They were setting up for a interview, and the chit chat was supposed to be off the record. BTW, I agree with the jackass comment.

Me too. My god, he's human after all.

456 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:19:35pm

re: #453 avanti

They were setting up for a interview, and the chit chat was supposed to be off the record. BTW, I agree with the jackass comment.

Ah ok. Well it certainly sounded like a private discussion. He also mentioned PETA got the chickens in a twist over the fly thing too.

457 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:19:37pm

re: #451 m12edit

However, with the whole TEA party thing he's been quite one sided in my opinion and is quick to point out anything the nut cases involved do and extremely slow to show anything else related to it, if at all.

The nut cases are in charge of the tea parties. I won't have anything to do with these disgraceful events, no matter how many wonderful, sane people attend them. Those wonderful, sane people walked past thousands of hateful signs and did nothing.

458 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:20:09pm

re: #439 DailyCOS

I don't think anyone was wondering.

Some lizards don't get here for the early show!

459 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:20:13pm

re: #412 DailyCOS

I agree with you. With all the news sources out there you'd think we could get a number that would give us a true idea of the crowd. That's what I was trying to get at before the lizard with the wise-ass gene decided to chime in.

Basically rule of thumb from a quote used by Obama. "disagree, without being disagreeable" Getting snarky with the other Lizards is bad Karma, even when you feel offended.

460 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #424 Rancher

Malkin says the photo is real, don't know if thats the photo that Charles was talking about. She has a bunch more photos too.

If you go to that link and scroll down a bit, Malkin includes a USA Today infographic about the crowd estimates for the Obama Inauguration. Take a look at that and refer back to my post #441 -- the "ticketed area" indicated on the graphic is where the pro-Tea Party photographers kept their cameras focused, while avoiding the larger expanse of the Mall.

461 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:22:50pm

re: #423 Gus 802

He missed the part where the black kids separated them -- twice. He is flat out lying when he says all the black kids were cheering. And now this is Obama's fault?

Nor did he mention the guy corrected his comments about it being racial after the interview they showed.

462 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:24:10pm

re: #459 avanti

Basically rule of thumb from a quote used by Obama. "disagree, without being disagreeable" Getting snarky with the other Lizards is bad Karma, even when you feel offended.

I like totally agree, dude (or dudette). HOWEVER,

without snark, the world of blogging/posting would just be dull and uneventful. Decorum is for the politicians! The rest of us need the snark!

463 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:25:43pm

Thank you Charles for your clarification. I would appreciate that perhaps, if you agree with the basic libertarian foundation, maybe you could do something about it. How about echoing the sentiments but working to ostracize the nut cases. The impression I'm left with is that you're dismissive of the entire movement rather than being interested in cleaning it up.

464 avanti  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:26:36pm

re: #436 badger1970

Bush did it too? Wow. The MSM will ignore it like it did the President Bush's asshole remark. /

He called a reporter a asshole, maybe he was, but I'm certain West is a jackass.

465 haakondahl  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:29:25pm

re: #451 m12edit

Re: 401 MandyManners

Get over yourself. If you can't tell I was asking a specific question in search of a specific response from the guy who runs LGF, in a polite and respectful manner, you should leave posting to the grown ups.

Liar. You walked the premise of your question clear across the street from the stand you are now defending. You asked Charles to confirm or deny that he does not agree with "everybody" who supports what the tea parties are "supposed" to be about.
It's a horseshit question you've asked; you deserve the responses you're getting.

466 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:30:05pm

re: #463 m12edit

Thank you Charles for your clarification. I would appreciate that perhaps, if you agree with the basic libertarian foundation, maybe you could do something about it. How about echoing the sentiments but working to ostracize the nut cases. The impression I'm left with is that you're dismissive of the entire movement rather than being interested in cleaning it up.

What are you doing to clean it up? Frankly, I think the Libertarians are more screwy than the Republicans. What the heck kind of "basic foundation" do they have? Ron Paul?!? Glenn freakin' Beck!?!?! Which "sentiments" should be echoed?

467 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:30:11pm

re: #215 bofhell

Ah! Thank you Six! Do you have the link handy? I'd like to see it please. I have some box turtles around the yard I could dispatch to help find it...

It's on the front page. Scroll down.

468 haakondahl  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:30:47pm

re: #412 DailyCOS

I agree with you. With all the news sources out there you'd think we could get a number that would give us a true idea of the crowd. That's what I was trying to get at before the lizard with the wise-ass gene decided to chime in.

I am shocked, *SHOCKED* that there are wise-asses at this site.

You may be happier somewhere with fewer wise-asses.

469 haakondahl  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #462 marjoriemoon

I like totally agree, dude (or dudette). HOWEVER,

without snark, the world of blogging/posting would just be dull and uneventful. Decorum is for the politicians! The rest of us need the snark!

Goodness. I just up-dinged MM! I promise not to make it a habit.

470 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:33:24pm

re: #462 marjoriemoon

I like totally agree, dude (or dudette). HOWEVER,

without snark, the world of blogging/posting would just be dull and uneventful. Decorum is for the politicians! The rest of us need the snark!

YOU LIE!

//

471 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:41:44pm

re: #465 haakondahl

Learn to read. I didn't ask if he agreed with "everybody" who supports the tea party movement. I asked "I to assume you think everybody who believes in the basic concept of what the TEA party movement is supposed to be are nut cases?" because Charles hasn't been particularly sympathetic in his postings to those he realizes are not nuts. In his response to me, I see his point and what he's saying. But I also ask, by the same logic, do all Democrats suck because of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and President Obama? The history of the TEA party movement is as follows. Guy suggests responding to overtaxation with a new tea party. People spontaneously start little protests with that in mind. Movement grows, kooks get involved and hijack some of the leadership of a movement that exists with or without it, not all leadership, but definitely some. Same basic principle stands though - stop growing government/limited goverment. Charles hasn't balanced that point of view in his postings, and sometimes counterpoint would be constructive.

472 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:44:31pm

re: #466 wrenchwench

I said small "l" libertarian. The Libertarian party as it stands is nuts. And, BTW, thank you for asking what I've been doing. I've had several confrontations with people asking to tone down some of the nuttier rhetoric, but then again, I don't run a blog with ten of thousands of hits.

473 Arbalest  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:46:05pm

I did a quick study of the foot traffic shown by the 14th & E St. NW traffic camera footage, posted at Michelle Malkin. [Link: michellemalkin.com...]

It appears to be the long version sampled in the video on this thread. Assuming that it really is video of the foot traffic of 9-12, as everyone seems to agree, . . .

Using Google-Earth-fu to zoom in on 14th & E St., then rotate, slide and careful zoom to get the area of interest to line up with the Google Earth scale, it looks like the streets there are about 200’ wide, plus sidewalks. I use 180’. The plaza looks to be about 300’ x 500’. We can’t see all of it, but we can see past it a bit, and traffic occurs there too.

I use a control area of 180’wide by 400’ long (72,000 sq.ft.). Figuring each person is in their own little 3’x’3 square, 8000 people could stand there. Or walk through in an orderly manner.

Walking 400’ takes about 2min 15sec at 2MPH (~179ft/min).

In one hour, about 215,000 people could walk through the control area photographed by the camera. 2 hours would be 430,000.

True, the traffic flow shown by the 2.5 hours of footage is not uniform, but some times it seems to be very, very much higher. 215,000 is a bare minimum figure. 430,000 is a much better average, at 3’ x 3’ per person, for the total.

If we change from 3’x3’ per person to 4’x4’ per person (video suggests this density is too low), then the numbers drop by almost 50%: 121,000/1 hr and 242,000/2hrs from a 3.5 hr video. Clearly any number under 200,000 is much too low.

But looking at a map of the National Mall, this is not the only way in. There are at least 2 more major entrances, and a few minor ones.

Figuring that some of the others were used,, and 14 & E represents 50%, total attendance of 484,000 seems reasonable, and 860,000 seems a better number.

474 NoWhereAlaska  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:48:58pm

Well I have always been a bit of a contrarian, so if the local police agencies estimated the crowd at 1.2 million. I won't give Beck a hard time about 1.7 million.
Actually I have been enjoying Beck coverage of the unfolding ACORN scandal. Life can be interesting.

475 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:50:04pm

re: #474 NoWhereAlaska

Well I have always been a bit of a contrarian, so if the local police agencies estimated the crowd at 1.2 million. I won't give Beck a hard time about 1.7 million.
Actually I have been enjoying Beck coverage of the unfolding ACORN scandal. Life can be interesting.

What police agencies? 1.2 million is ridiculous.

476 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:52:30pm

re: #469 haakondahl

Goodness. I just up-dinged MM! I promise not to make it a habit.

I love you too baby.

477 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:53:27pm

re: #470 sattv4u2

YOU LIE!

//

I did say decorum didn't I? What was *I* thinking!!

478 NoWhereAlaska  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:55:04pm

re: #475 Lee Coller

What police agencies? 1.2 million is ridiculous.

I'll be damned they changed the story. What the earlier version said local police agencies, now it the national park service

479 NoWhereAlaska  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:57:07pm

I just looked back at an earlier posting of this link. I see that Charles down dinged me for posting a link. Interesting...

480 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:58:02pm

re: #478 NoWhereAlaska

I'll be damned they changed the story. What the earlier version said local police agencies, now it the national park service

You might check here first: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

481 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #478 NoWhereAlaska

I'll be damned they changed the story. What the earlier version said local police agencies, now it the national park service

Problem is - the National Park Service didn't provide an estimate and doesn't provide crowd estimates...reading earlier in the thread explains why.

482 NoWhereAlaska  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:00:17pm

re: #480 Lee Coller

You might check here first: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


Been there, done that.. But my previous post was from a day earlier. So what's wrong with posting a link?

483 dwill890  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:00:21pm

I see the Glenn Beck is a nut stuff.
I see the gun nut stuff.
I see the Tea Party nut stuff.
I do not see the ACORN nut stuff
what is up with that ?

484 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:05:43pm

re: #482 NoWhereAlaska

Probably because you seem to believe that is a reasonable estimate. Its not.

485 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:05:58pm

re: #483 dwill890

What's the matter? You're not getting enough of it from Glenn Beck?

486 NoWhereAlaska  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:06:11pm

Frankly I don't give flying frisbee how many people were there. The discussion on numbers and kooks with signs just changes the discussion away from the fact that a lot of people are getting involved, and expressing themselves. Even with alll the kooks and cranks it is a healthy sign that the populace is beginning to take notice.

487 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:08:52pm

Obama Derangement Syndrome works in mysterious ways.

488 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:08:57pm

re: #486 NoWhereAlaska

Frankly I don't give flying frisbee how many people were there.

Now you don't care? A few minutes ago you sure seemed to care a lot about promoting some ridiculously inflated numbers. What changed?

489 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:11:08pm

re: #486 NoWhereAlaska

How healthy is that sign if the kooks and cranks are the one's that are organizing the event - and can attend the event without the supposed sane not telling them take the same hike they were told to take by Bill Buckley and others 40 years ago?

490 NoWhereAlaska  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:12:43pm

re: #488 Charles

Now you don't care? A few minutes ago you sure seemed to care a lot about promoting some ridiculously inflated numbers. What changed?

Not promoting, quoting. There is a difference. I have no expertise to believe any of the numbers. And apparently no one else does either. So why give anyone a hard time for not having factual data on which to opine (Beck included). Now the ridership numbers listed above make for interesting data on which to make some projections.

491 Athos  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:15:43pm

re: #490 NoWhereAlaska

So why give anyone a hard time for not having factual data on which to opine (Beck included).

Umm, if they aren't fact based, then they are what?

Those numbers aren't being stated as 'opinions' - they are being presented as facts - to further an agenda.

492 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:16:38pm
493 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:17:47pm

re: #33 Charles

The Telegraph's number was a complete fraud.

There were about 100,000 people there, probably fewer.

There's no reason for the nutters to inflate the numbers. 100,000 is an incredible amount of people to show up for a rally. You're talking wall-to-wall people for as far as the eye can see. I have never been to a rally where the numbers were over 5,000 (both sides included).

The DC rally may be a success in terms of sheer volume but the message is anything but constructive. The demonstrators don't seem to be paying attention to reality but instead are feeding their own deepest, darkest fears. And that is sad.

494 claire  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:21:16pm

re: #424 Rancher

Your talking two different photos- the old one from 1997 is of the Mall, the one on Malkin's site is Pennsylvania Avenue and maybe 13th?

It can't be this frickkin hard to figure out how many people were there. The Fire Dept Tweet said 60-75,000 at 9:43 am (upthread). The video below the picture you linked to shows Penn Ave, what about 1/2 full at 9:30 and mostly full by 10am? Then if the Mall can hold 1 million sardines (500,000) loosely packed, (per USA today inauguration graphic) and is the same length as Penn Ave, but Penn ave is 1/4 as wide as the mall, (guessing) then loosely packed, Penn Ave holds about 125,000 people. So if there was a march to the capital ( I don't know for sure) and the crowd starts streaming down that direction for one hour, (because that's what it looks like is happening in Malkin's video but I don't know how the rally was organized) at a meandering pace and the street stays full, how many people passed by? At what time of the day were the capitol grounds filled? Right at the end of the march when everybody already streamed in? Or were people streaming into the Capitol without going down Penn. Ave? USAtoday graphic says it holds 250,000 tightly packed, 1/2 that loosely packed? I'm missing too much info to say how the movement of the crowd progressed, but SOMEBODY who was there ought to be able to estimate this. The article at the top of the thread says the Fire Dept estimate is "in no way official." (Doesn't mean it isn't accurate) but it doesn't match the other unofficial Fire Guy's tweet either.

I would say by my spotty methodology at minimum 2x 75,000 people were there just based on 1 mile of Penn. Ave filled up and streaming by at 2 miles an hour for an hour, a max of 4x 75,000 based on the capitol grounds filling up loosely and overflowing into the sides of the mall minus tha empty patch reserved for the other group.

/like any body cares at this point, lol.

495 wkeller  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:25:19pm

850,000 number is easily supported by the video shown. I spent about an hour with Google earth and watching the video. My number was about 800,000. Honestly folks, it's not rocket science. A $3 calculator and about 10 minutes on Google Earth can let you verify the numbers yourself.

But please, these silly numbers of 50,000 - 70,000?? Get real. The image shown for this post shows over 200,000 people. The Big "O" and the Democrats wish it was less.

496 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:28:07pm

"One million, seven hundred seventy one thousand, five hundred sixty one. That's assuming one kook, multiplying with an average litter of ten producing a new generation every twelve hours over a period of three days... and allowing for the amount of kool-aid consumed and the volume of the National Mall."

/trek

497 Coracle  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:30:41pm

re: #496 ArchangelMichael

"One million, seven hundred seventy one thousand, five hundred sixty one. That's assuming one kook, multiplying with an average litter of ten producing a new generation every twelve hours over a period of three days... and allowing for the amount of kool-aid consumed and the volume of the National Mall."

/trek

Are you saying Tribbles are Paulian Nirthers?!?!111One!!??

Why must you destroy my childhood?

498 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:33:15pm

re: #448 avanti

I'm waiting for the Gentleman from South Carolina to come to poor Mr. West's defense...

499 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:39:54pm

re: #463 m12edit

Thank you Charles for your clarification. I would appreciate that perhaps, if you agree with the basic libertarian foundation, maybe you could do something about it. How about echoing the sentiments but working to ostracize the nut cases. The impression I'm left with is that you're dismissive of the entire movement rather than being interested in cleaning it up.

You know, Charles is a blogger, as a hobby, in addition to his paying gig. He has never wanted to be a public figure, as far as I can tell. (Seriously, don't you think he could have been on radio or TV all the time if he chose?)

Personally, I'm grateful to him for devoting so much time and money to shining a light into corners and pointing out problems. In this case, while you are correct that a huge number of decent people are involved, the problem is that the kooks are organizing and leading the movement. A real clean-up can only be accomplished by starting fresh. Does this not make sense to you?

You seem to think that whatever Charles does, it's just not good enough unless he also steps into the limelight and shouts: "Follow me!"

But - it seems to me - that would be like demanding that your house inspector stop inspecting houses and start fixing your roof. You don't get to demand that. He's not your slave; he's not your bitch; he's not your personal savior.
/rant off

500 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:45:13pm

re: #499 lurking faith

OK, maybe that post was a little over-the-top cranky. It's not like m12edit was being rude or anything...

I'll go take an Advil or something and wait for it to kick in before I post again.

501 claire  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:53:15pm

re: #473 Arbalest

We are kinda on the same wavelength in the calculations except I don't see how Penn. Ave can be 180' wide when it's only 9 car lanes wide (on google earth), that would not even be 100'.

So, I can sorta dig your justification for 220,000, but how on earth you can jump to 860,000 and call it even "better" is beyond me. Were you being sarcastic at the end?

502 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:53:45pm

re: #499 lurking faith

Good grief. I never said or implied he was my personal anything. And I've been following Charles and LGF since December 2002.

"...the problem is that the kooks are organizing and leading the movement."

The problem is that decent people don't particularly lead political movements. Decent people are busy being decent people, and I know about the other gigs, which is why I don't blog...I've got my own "other gigs." I get that. My making requests, or statements, as I'm sure Charles realizes, are just that. Requests and statements. I'm not asking him to lead me, but if he abhors racists and kooks, which I do too, but sympathizes with people who want limited government and he runs a blog that allows commenting, I would think it would be reasonable to ask that he balance his anti-kookiness with something constructive. Also, I think, since he allows comments and has always seemed to welcome contrary points of view posted without venom, it should be reasonable to ask him anything on topic and for clarification when not clear. Other than apparently getting dinged for linking to pajamas media for reasons he has disclosed above, I'm not sure Charles has had any issue with anything I've said or asked. However, some people have responded thinking I'm way over the line, in search of a savior/leader, have no right to ask what I've asked. I've made no demands, but I have made requests and suggestions.

503 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 2:54:46pm

re: #502 m12edit

"I never said or implied he was my personal anything. And I've been following Charles and LGF since December 2002. "

And not in a stalking sort of way.

504 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:04:12pm

re: #503 m12edit

I totally agree with you. I went to the rally to check it out and the majority of people there were NORMAL. Out of the nutcases, I only saw one truther sign and one birther sign. Plus, the only Nazi signs I saw were coming from the LaRouche cult. When you have hundred of thousands of people at rallies like this, anyone can cherry pick the nutjobs and claim that represents everyone.

It's like claiming everyone is a Communist that goes to a left wing rally.

505 bofhell  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:10:17pm

re: #501 claire

We are kinda on the same wavelength in the calculations except I don't see how Penn. Ave can be 180' wide when it's only 9 car lanes wide (on google earth), that would not even be 100'.

So, I can sorta dig your justification for 220,000, but how on earth you can jump to 860,000 and call it even "better" is beyond me. Were you being sarcastic at the end?

Pennsylvania Avenue (per se) is about 100' wide. There are three travel lanes in each direction plus a center turn lane. From the Capitol Building to the entrance to Freedom Plaza on 13th Street NW it is about 4,400 square feet.

Charlie Martin, has posted an analysis similar to this, and my own back of the envelope calculates also suggest that a continual "dense" mass of people marching down Pennsylvania Avenue for three hours would be about 880,000 people. The problem of course is this is an estimate, a limit, and we are assuming that there is 1 person every 5 square feet during the three hour march. If there is one person every fifteen square feet, the number becomes much lower.

Countering the 880k number is the size of the final stop of the march, the west side of the US Capitol, which is thought to hold about a quarter of a million people. There is also the spike in Metrorail ridership for the day (65k people). There is clearly information missing to reconcile both numbers.

506 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:11:06pm
507 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:15:53pm

Bye now! Off to clean up the sock puppets you registered.

508 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:16:29pm

Scale of 1-10, you get a 2. One point for mentioning aliens.

509 doubter4444  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:17:57pm

re: #504 Buckeye Nation

I totally agree with you. I went to the rally to check it out and the majority of people there were NORMAL. Out of the nutcases, I only saw one truther sign and one birther sign. Plus, the only Nazi signs I saw were coming from the LaRouche cult. When you have hundred of thousands of people at rallies like this, anyone can cherry pick the nutjobs and claim that represents everyone.

It's like claiming everyone is a Communist that goes to a left wing rally.

And you would never do something like that, would you?

510 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:18:58pm

That person was previously banned under the names 'Sheik Yaabooboo' and 'One_Big_Ass_Mistake_Amerika'.

511 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:19:15pm

Damn!
I didn't get here in time to whack it.

512 Neutral President  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:19:32pm

re: #504 Buckeye Nation

It's like claiming everyone is a Communist that goes to a left wing rally.

Some people are there just for the hot liberal chicks.

513 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:19:58pm

re: #510 Charles

That person was previously banned under the names 'Sheik Yaabooboo' and 'One_Big_Ass_Mistake_Amerika'.

heh

514 Buckeye Nation  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:20:12pm

re: #509 doubter4444

No, I wouldn't, but it looks like you are more than willing to claim that everyone that went to the rally on Saturday are fascist or racist.

515 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:21:04pm

re: #483 dwill890

I see the Glenn Beck is a nut stuff.
I see the gun nut stuff.
I see the Tea Party nut stuff.
I do not see the ACORN nut stuff
what is up with that ?

I also don't see any kite or cheese stuff. This makes me happy.
/

516 Salamantis  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:27:11pm

re: #457 Charles

The nut cases are in charge of the tea parties. I won't have anything to do with these disgraceful events, no matter how many wonderful, sane people attend them. Those wonderful, sane people walked past thousands of hateful signs and did nothing.

I would like to have seen Christopher Hitchens attend that rally. We full well know what HE does when confronted with Nazi imagery, even on the thugs' home turf in Beirut, where he got his ass kicked because of it, and remained proud and unrepentant, stating that it was the duty of every decent human being to do the same.

517 gregb  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:30:03pm

re: #195 bofhell

I'd also add that for the Inauguration, the estimates were much larger than the Metro ridership (1.2 million attendees?) I wholly admit I am simply just doubling the number as that seems to be the multiplier for Inauguration Day.

That picture in the Charlie Martin story of the Innauguration is absolutely beautiful!

[Link: www.popsci.com...]

518 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:30:24pm

Another flouncetastic day by the look of things.

Youtube Video
519 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:33:33pm

So what was the posted video? Was that said to be from a different day or event or was it the real deal? Lets say there is a fake picture out there... What does the real video or images tell us about attendance?

520 Arbalest  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:44:42pm

re: #501 claire

As per my post, I used Google Earth to zoom in on 14th $ E St. then rotated the image, shifted it, and fine zoomed it until the streets were lined up under the scale on the lower left of Google Earth. The scale has 5 tick marks on it: one on each end, one in the middle with a number, then one on either side that divide the entire scale into 4 equal parts.

I’m not certain how accurate the scale is at the small end; 20 miles might be accurate, 10 feet seems suspect. So I also made some assumptions: lanes are 12’ wide, plus sidewalks. This might be closer to 130’, but I also had to account for the fact that the video is at a ‘Y’ intersection, and the near side is a plaza. In many cases, people are shown walking across the plaza and not the street.

Note that shortening the control area from 400’ to 200’ (or even 100’) but maintaining the same walking speed, changes only the intermediate numbers, not the “per hour” values. 2.0MPH might be a bit slow; IIRC, normal walking speed is closer to 2.5 - 3.0MPH, but I used 2.0MPH.

I also went a little less dense with my 3’x3’ spacing (9 sq.ft.) instead of the 5 sq.ft. at Politico. Additionally, I also provided numbers for 4’x4’ spacing (15 sq.ft.), which seems much less dense than the video shows, as a sanity check.

Note that with the 3’x3’ density spacing, which seems to fit the video, I estimate about 430,000 for the 3.5 hour video. For one entrance only.

Then finally, I make estimates for other entrances. If we see half the attendance on this video (~430,000), 2 of the other possible entrances could easily accommodate as many, each, but I round down, by 50 %.

430,000 + (430,000/2) * 2 more major entrances = 860,000. This does not include any people walking in from any of the smaller side entrances. Politico seems to get 800,000-850,000.

In the absence of any contradictory estimates or calculations, this seems like a reasonable low-end estimate for the average attendance.

521 ExCamelJockey  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:46:53pm

The number that were in attendance are not relevant ... these are the important numbers:

8/26/2009
70% favor reduced services, lower taxes

8/20/2009 40% believe that reducing deficit should be the #1 priority. 21% health, 18% education.

8/5/2009 71% believe Obama's policies have increased the deficit, 5% believe he has reduced it.

522 lurking faith  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:57:58pm

re: #502 m12edit

I do apologize for the tone of my comment. It was way more than you deserved. (I'm in pain and under stress and not handling it as well as I should be.) I have seen so many people who seem to think this (privately-owned) blog should be run by their rules that anything remotely resembling that idea really ticks me off.

The thing is, I think the point here is that we cannot allow ourselves the luxury of saying it's no big deal that the majority of the marchers didn't support the crazy or racist among them. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

We are seeing a whole lot of good people doing nothing.

Charles is standing out here saying "This is wrong!" at the risk of his reputation, which is not inconsiderable. (I would say at personal risk, but he's had that risk for years. Although this could increase it.)

You can ask him for more; that's your choice.
Me, I am just trying to do what I can by warning the conservatives I know with some of what I have learned about Ron Paul, the Birchers, and so on. I'm not a leader; I'm a natural spectator, but maybe if I spread the word, and some of them also spread the word, it will reach somebody who is better suited to start a movement we wouldn't have to apologize for. If I do nothing at all, then my wishes and opinions are pretty pointless...

I will now back away from the keyboard for a while. (Still feeling cranky.)

523 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:12:57pm

re: #464 avanti

He called a reporter a asshole, maybe he was, but I'm certain West is a jackass.

Obama said the police acted stupidly.

524 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:17:31pm

re: #468 haakondahl

One post with an honest question does not warrant wise-assiness, I don't believe. I see now that there are others here that actually have made an effort using data available from video and the USA today graphic to make some intelligent guess on the numbers. That's all I think we want to get at.

525 m12edit  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:21:41pm

re: #522 lurking faith

Your apology is accepted, and wasn't really necessary. I appreciate it though, and I sympathize with the pain and rules and other people taking over and such. It it, in fact, that my respect for Charles over the years is what has led me to post on this subject. I am a Christian, and not a creationist or intelligent design person, but rather a believer in evolution. I battle other Christians with this all the time, but Charles' crusade to paint creationists as crazy buffoons has worn on me a bit. It's not on disagreement/agreement grounds, I'm just tired of it. He's lost a little focus on his middle eastern coverage which is now okay, but was once spectacular. Again, his choice. But most of the time I just read. The birthers, tired of it. Not everyone who wants a birth certificate even cares what it says and believe he's a citizen...it's the imagining a world where Bush didn't produce his long form...It's just like John Kerry promising to release all his military records. He gets a pass. Yes, there are birthers out there who deserve to be ridiculed, and there are leaders in the TEA party movement who should be tarred and feathered, but to ignore the underlying issues missed the whole point. You repeated "the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Well that cuts both ways, ridicule and tear down the evil, but you need to help the good do something. Destruction should be accompanied by construction. It truly is a shame that we can't have a limited government type without the Ron Paul baggage, or the head in the sand foreign policy he promotes. I was 9 when Reagan took office, and I remember it well. He said one thing that I wish we could all remember, and I think is the principle behind the TEA party movement (not leaders, rather movement - because it was moving before anyone tried to lead it). He said "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Charles has a tremendous bully pulpit from which a few well chosen words could be extremely constructive, but he's been focused on the destructive, IMHO.

526 DailyCOS  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:23:30pm

re: #459 avanti

Getting snarky with the other Lizards is bad Karma, even when you feel offended.

Haha. Good to know you like being a doormat.

527 swamprat  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:14:39pm

re: #526 DailyCOS

37 comments and a karma of 51.
Most of those were made recently.
You signed up on sept 12th, 2004.
DailyCOS, you seem to be a sleeper/sock.
Did one of your previous incarnations get banned?

528 ToastyPuffins  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:44:19pm

I was there and (while I didn't count) there were as many people as the old Beach Boy 4th of July's. In other words, a big buttload of people. Yeah, I'm that old.

529 AtadOFF  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:48:45pm

re: #520 Arbalest

Some confusion may arise from the fact that Beck is referring to a different video than the pic Charles linked to. Is that even a sentence? The pic is from 1997, one some conservative sites used, with others, to confirm their counts. They later realized their error and made the correction. At least the sites I visited did. The video Beck used was made up of captures from the Trafficland cam. that show Penn. Ave.

Youtube Video

BTW this one shows the Mall about 10 sec in.

Youtube Video

To continue I looked in on the cam throughout the day and it (the vid) seems to be the same as what I saw live. BTW Trafficland went online in 2001 so it is impossible for the vid to be from 1997.

As for the Fire Dept est. if it was given at 9:40 ish I can see why their numbers were off. The crowd was still arriving at that time. I don't know how many were there but if the washington post guideline has any basis in reality the number was huge.

For what it's worth I'm Canadian and love our national healthcare.

530 AtadOFF  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 6:50:22pm

oh... the Washington post guide

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

531 Arbalest  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:20:50pm

re: #529 AtadOFF

There is a picture (not a video) that is clearly wrong. I did not use it. The data I used, as I posted in #473, is the video posted at MM. It appears to be the same video as the first one you post.

Note that I leave a lot of slack in my estimates. I reworked my numbers for 100’ instead of 180’ wide, as Claire’s post gives me a real data point. Instead of 430,000, I get 298,900; a noticeable change. Using my earlier method, 600,000 is a possible number.

Your video is a bit clearer than the one at MM, and it shows considerably more people coming down the main thoroughfare, starting at 0:10, which I did not include, as the MM version is less clear.

Clearly, I’m playing with numbers, to see what fits the available data, and trying to err on the low side. No matter how I move things down (lower people density, slower walking, assuming this was the major entrance, etc.), the numbers still keep coming up large. 600,000 looks a bit low, 850,000 looks reasonable.

The importance of these numbers is that a very large number of people attended an event with very little organization, and the numbers are not the small numbers previously reported. Further, the majority of the attendees, or at least a very large portion, seem to be middle-class people, parents and grandparents, who normally do little more than vote.

The absence of police, fire/smoke/teargas, broken car windows, and even reports of any arrests points strongly to this conclusion. Then there are the lawn chairs; they seem to be all over the place... This is unlikely to be lost on the politicians, even the Senators who are not scheduled for re-election in 2010.

532 hassen bin sober  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:27:10pm

Amazes me that folks who were not there blithely assume that there was no conflict, no sanctions applied, no upbraiding or spirited disagreement in the crowd - that decent people just looked at all manner of signage and listened to all sorts of rhetoric and giggled about it. Nonsense. I was there, and I spoke my mind where I thought something was offensive. I did not spend the day spoiling for a fight. My fighting days are over, on that level anyway. A man who was megaphoning the police with mild insults was booed off of his pitch 20 yards from where I was (btw, the police were blocking, on assignment, all southbound access to the Mall, at every southbound street off of Pennsylvania Ave. That's why the crowd stayed on Penna Ave. approaching the Capitol West Lawn, and that's why the many armchair comparisons to prior Mall densities are lazy, and ignorant.) Folks who had their Hitler-motif going were talked to about it being over the top by plenty of other folks - and they were also supported by plenty of other folks. Larouch-ians had 4 large tables set up at Freedom Plaza, early and ready, too, with rabble-rousers on the prowl with handouts. The crowd, by my rough and visual-only, on the ground, estimates, walking it backwards, and counting in increments of 50s and 100s, then multiplying by blocks and adding 10%s for spill-out, was at least 400,000. So to the armchair-jockeys - come to the next one and let's see you in action, tearing up those signs and vanquishing your ideological inferiors with due dispatch - and please do it all day long. Keep a head count.

533 Brigman  Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:39:25pm

re: #452 Charles

Robert Stacy McCain, friend of neo-Nazis, writer for racist hate sites VDARE and Takimag, attendee of hate group American Renaissance conferences, and member of the white supremacist group League of the South.

The featured writer on their front page yesterday.

Thanks for the info! I'll be sure to voice my disgust at their inclusion and promotion of that twirp.

re: #429 Charles

I have not worked with them for more than two years. And now I won't link to them either unless or until they rethink their disastrous policy of promoting an open racist.

Now about this above claim, I remember seeing you on the PJTV site. The last show featuring you was dated 12-15-08 a mere 9 months ago. Is working with PJTV different than working with Pajamas Media?

534 AtadOFF  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 3:12:34am

re: #531 Arbalest

Here's another good pic...

Image: 3914298834_f23314cb42_b.jpg

535 Hassen bin Sober  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 6:15:38am

re: #534 AtadOFF

one could see the crowd backed up on Penna Ave, to the right in this photo - and there was significant out-of-frame spillover onto the north side (right in this frame) of the area - the portable toilets are even to the right and out of frame in this snap (assuming that it is a legitimate pic of the correct day - sure looks it weather-wise and with the large tenting near the Monument). The attendance at the potty-lines was at least 2K steady state, IMO, all day.

536 AtadOFF  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 6:19:15am

re: #535 Hassen bin Sober

Maybe they should put counters on the portable toilets! :)

537 Hassen bin Sober  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 6:50:57am

re: #536 AtadOFF

haha, yeah - I saw at least on fellow exit the, er, booth, chat for a minute or two with some folks, wander a few steps eastward, and then get back in the line!

statistically valid past-event data could certainly be used to derive a crowd density from toilet usage. or food-vendor sales, and the like.

538 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 8:41:40am

re: #533 Brigman

I was one of the founders of the company, but I've had no official connection to them for more than two years. I appeared on a couple of their videos as an unpaid interview subject.

539 AtadOFF  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 8:44:21am

re: #529 AtadOFF

That second vid is also for Pennsylvania Ave so still no pics of the Mall.

540 trublukev  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:23:01pm

I can't vouch for where the video came from, but I was at the promise keepers assembly in '97. We didn't march down the street, we just gathered on the mall for six hours so the video wasn't from PK '97. The photo from the air with the Washington monument in the foreground with a full mall behind up to the reflection pool is the '97 PK assembly; I was in the crowd to the left of the Washington Monument. CNN said there were 10,000 people there, obviously a bit low, we heard that the park service stopped counting around 700k. I asked a taxi driver what he thought the size of the crowd was and he said, relating it to what he'd heard about other rallies/protests, that it must be "around 2 million". Well, we didn't believe that either, I would believe a million though. If the satellite image of the Obama inauguration shows 1.5 million, I'd say that the PK thing had about 1 million.

541 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 10:23:55pm

re: #540 trublukev

No way. Not even close. But go ahead and keep promoting the lies.

542 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:00:14am
543 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:01:23am
544 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:54:33am

They always leave these comments at the end of dead threads. C'est la vie!

545 AtadOFF  Thu, Sep 17, 2009 12:06:36pm

[Link: qik.com...]

Video taken by Congressman John Culberson [7th district Texas]. He states on the video that the official count was 275000.


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