1 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:19:08pm

Look! Dinosaur descendants!

2 Kragar  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:19:55pm

Great, the thread is giving us the bird.

3 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:19:56pm

Ahhh two birds inflight - gonna get you!

4 esch  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:20:45pm

Let's name them.

I nominate "Jonathan Livingstone' for the left and 'Steven' for the right.

5 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:21:41pm

re: #4 esch

I want to call them Terrence and Philip.

6 esch  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:22:07pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

I want to call them Terrence and Philip.

Ah, Jet-powered. Good call.

7 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:22:16pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

I want to call them Terrence and Philip.

"That's tomfoolery!"

8 BignJames  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:22:54pm

yeah?...well I like...Butch and Sundance.

9 Kragar  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:23:09pm

re: #4 esch

Let's name them.

I nominate "Jonathan Livingstone' for the left and 'Steven' for the right.

The left one is James Westfall and the right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater.

/name the movie

10 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:23:43pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The left one is James Westfall and the right one is Doctor Kenneth Noisewater.

/name the movie

Anchorman

11 Bagua  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:24:11pm

My model indicates Overnight Ocean Threads will continue to appear and until the year 2012. Email me if you need the formula to check my work.

12 Kragar  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:24:35pm

And some music for the thread

13 esch  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:24:35pm

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Teste, teste...

14 Kragar  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:26:01pm

re: #10 ArchangelMichael

Anchorman

Correct

15 freetoken  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:26:16pm

Ahhh... the deep blue ocean... the clear blue skies... the pair of birds looking for a beach...

Did someone say a pair of beach birds?

16 Summersong  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:29:44pm

Does anyone know why seagulls do that swirl in a whirlpool group thing a few times a day? And, is there a real name for the behavior?

17 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:30:06pm

re: #15 freetoken

Ahhh... the deep blue ocean... the clear blue skies... the pair of birds looking for a beach...

Did someone say a pair of beach birds?

"I don't know and have no opinion."
;-)

18 Gus  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:32:01pm

The Del McCoury Band - The King's Shilling

Love this song. See upper right.

Bluegrass/Traditional

19 Bagua  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:32:10pm

re: #15 freetoken

Ahhh... the deep blue ocean... the clear blue skies... the pair of birds looking for a beach...

Did someone say a pair of beach birds?

Have you not caused me enough kerfuffle with the IT department with these sinister links I keep clicking at work?

20 BignJames  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:32:14pm
21 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:32:32pm

Dammit...where's my one stone!?

22 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:33:12pm

re: #20 BignJames

Terror Bird

I saw a special on that bird. An apt name to say the least.

23 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:34:07pm

Got back from She Who Must be Obeyed's gig. Some bad craziness on the last thread.

(Cue theme from The Twilight Zone)

24 lastlaugh  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:35:29pm

Good night All.

25 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:36:42pm

The engineers had just overhauled the engine or whatever on our Minesweeper and had a bunch of discarded roller bearings ... one had a slingshot (wrist rocket) ... we stood on the fantail and took turns shooting at seagulls - this was back in the early 60s - one guy tracked a gull and let go - you could see the bearing - a hefty chunk of metal - arcing out towards the gulls path of flight and wham - right under the wing - the gull dropped like a stone - we were suddenly aware of what had happened - everyone, including the shooter were mortified - we never did that again.

Now throwing eggs from our darkened ship at dry dock towards pedestrians trying to cross a bridge was another discretion and distraction.

Wild and crazy boredom Navy times in Charleston ... I belatedly apologize to our targets.

Ahhh Seagulls. Rats of the sea.

26 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:36:54pm

I envy birds.

27 BignJames  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:38:44pm

re: #26 eclectic infidel

I envy birds.

You wanna be a chicken?

28 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:39:11pm

re: #25 Bobibutu

The engineers had just overhauled the engine or whatever on our Minesweeper and had a bunch of discarded roller bearings ... one had a slingshot (wrist rocket) ... we stood on the fantail and took turns shooting at seagulls - this was back in the early 60s - one guy tracked a gull and let go - you could see the bearing - a hefty chunk of metal - arcing out towards the gulls path of flight and wham - right under the wing - the gull dropped like a stone - we were suddenly aware of what had happened - everyone, including the shooter were mortified - we never did that again.

Now throwing eggs from our darkened ship at dry dock towards pedestrians trying to cross a bridge was another discretion and distraction.

Wild and crazy boredom Navy times in Charleston ... I belatedly apologize to our targets.

Ahhh Seagulls. Rats of the sea.

Wow. I just heard my Grandma:

"It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye."

Ah, Irish guilt.

29 Kragar  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:39:38pm

re: #27 BignJames

You wanna be a chicken?

I assume he means being able to fly over people and poop on them.

30 Varek Raith  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:40:18pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I assume he means being able to fly over people and poop on them.

Or, in the case of some birds, puke on them!

31 Kragar  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:41:29pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Or, in the case of some birds, puke on them!

"Hungry lil fella?"

32 BignJames  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:43:02pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I assume he means being able to fly over people and poop on them.


I try to never assume anything...if I did I wouldn't be able to ask stupid questions.

33 Bagua  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:44:44pm

re: #26 eclectic infidel

I envy birds.

I prefer to date them.

34 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:00pm

re: #28 austin_blue

Major wake up call to us all about the sanctity of life - some of of us on that ship still communicate and recall that experience.

35 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:13pm

re: #33 Bagua

I prefer to date them.

Kinky.

36 esch  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:48:44pm

re: #33 Bagua

I prefer to date them.

Well I guess that answers the whole 'feather' question.

37 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:23pm

re: #27 BignJames

You wanna be a chicken?

I was thinkin' more like a seagull - you know, morph into one for a day or so. Hang out with other seagulls, crap on tourists heads, nibble on whatever they nibble on, fly around, get some sun. That sort of thing. Not bbq'd for your pleasure, thankyouverymuch kthxbai.

38 Gus  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:24pm
39 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:21pm

re: #28 austin_blue

We are all in our late 60s or more now and are aware of how that experience changed us in a moment of time. Ah to take it back.

40 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:51:20pm

re: #34 Bobibutu

Major wake up call to us all about the sanctity of life - some of of us on that ship still communicate and recall that experience.

Good call. If you shoot it, be prepared to eat it. Don't kill for sport.

I've never understood trophy hunting.

41 Gus  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:53:28pm
42 Dewalt  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:54:08pm

Better music, Yep I know they are seagulls, but...

43 The Shadow Do  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:54:25pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Good call. If you shoot it, be prepared to eat it. Don't kill for sport.

I've never understood trophy hunting.

Like collecting stamps, but less sedate.

44 Bagua  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:54:57pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Good call. If you shoot it, be prepared to eat it. Don't kill for sport.

I've never understood trophy hunting.

{Looks nervously at collection of antlers and bear rugs}

45 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:55:44pm

re: #42 Dewalt

Better music, Yep I know they are seagulls, but...


[Video]

One of the ultimate seduction records when I was in college.

46 Neutral President  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:55:53pm

Cannot have music on a seagull thread without this... srsly!

47 Sharmuta  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:55:56pm

Bagua on a date?

48 Gus  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:57:07pm
49 Bob Dillon  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:58:06pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Good call. If you shoot it, be prepared to eat it. Don't kill for sport.

I've never understood trophy hunting.

Killed a deer once - food for my dog and me for quite some time. Never in a situation where it was appropriate again.

Trophy taking has it's positive sides - I just do it with a camera now.

50 austin_blue  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:58:21pm

re: #46 ArchangelMichael

Cannot have music on a seagull thread without this... srsly!


[Video]

Ah, Flock of Seagulls.

Too gay. ((Not that there is anything wrong with that!))

;-)

51 Gus  Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:59:38pm
52 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:00:59am

re: #50 austin_blue

Ah, Flock of Seagulls.

Too gay. ((Not that there is anything wrong with that!))

;-)

Well I could always post Erasure or Pet Shop Boys.

53 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:01:11am

re: #47 Sharmuta

re: #47 Sharmuta

{outed}

54 Gus  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:03:18am
55 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:07:02am

Well, as long as we are on a bird music theme, have some Frippertronics:

Brutal stuff, and three vituosi. The chick in the contraption is killer bee.

56 Gus  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:08:34am

Garbage - I Think I'm Paranoid

Got this CD. What I time. I love the era and this band.

57 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:10:56am

re: #56 Gus 802

Garbage - I Think I'm Paranoid


[Video]

Got this CD. What I time. I love the era and this band.

Speaking of that era. Here's the object of my unrequited lust in 1995 and 1996.

And she was better looking than any of those damn models in that VH1 fashion show. I think she turned into a crackwhore after this though... a travesty.

58 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:11:05am

re: #53 Bagua

Don't be surprised if I start calling you Gonzo. ;)

59 Bob Dillon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:11:07am

re: #54 Gus 802

Now that is a young lady I would like to introduce to the islands of Eastern Indonesia during monsoon season. Heh

60 Bob Dillon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:14:33am

re: #11 Bagua

My model indicates Overnight Ocean Threads will continue to appear and until the year 2012. Email me if you need the formula to check my work.

That the big one?

61 Dewalt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:14:47am

OK... So, we have a picture of birds, and brits refer to women as birds. Stay with me on this one for a few moments.

Seagulls have long shapely legs. They are birds. This seems to be a music thread.

I give you, Bond Explosive

62 Bob Dillon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:16:59am

re: #61 Dewalt

OK... So, we have a picture of birds, and brits refer to women as birds. Stay with me on this one for a few moments.

Seagulls have long shapely legs. They are birds. This seems to be a music thread.

I give you, Bond Explosive

[Video]

Overload - yeah!

63 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:18:02am

re: #61 Dewalt

OK... So, we have a picture of birds, and brits refer to women as birds. Stay with me on this one for a few moments.

OK, so my previous drool-fest over the young Saffron Sprackling sort of fits in with the theme then on that logic.

64 Bob Dillon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:20:24am

re: #61 Dewalt

I guess we are all watching this now - absolutely wild when gals do it and reap the rewards.

65 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:21:39am

re: #61 Dewalt

OK... So, we have a picture of birds, and brits refer to women as birds. Stay with me on this one for a few moments.

Seagulls have long shapely legs. They are birds. This seems to be a music thread.

I give you, Bond Explosive

[Video]

Oh, noes! The bad mens is coming for the string quartet for being inappropriately dressed!

66 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:21:53am

re: #54 Gus 802


Funny...I have a thing for petite redheads with a scottish brogue.

Of course, like many musicians from the UK she seems to suffer from 'lost my accent while singing' syndrome

67 Gus  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:23:29am

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

Funny...I have a thing for petite redheads with a scottish brogue.

Of course, like many musicians from the UK she seems to suffer from 'lost my accent while singing' syndrome

True. I've forgotten how much I love Shirley Manson.

68 Dewalt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:24:36am

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

Annie lennox!!! YEP!

Also "toya wilcox" has a really bad lisp, but when she is singing, well you don't notice.

69 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:26:44am

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

Funny...I have a thing for petite redheads with a scottish brogue.

Of course, like many musicians from the UK she seems to suffer from 'lost my accent while singing' syndrome

I've always had a thing for women with British accents even the almost unintelligible cockney accents. Never dated any woman that had one though. My girlfriend in 1995 went to London for 4 months for school. I asked her to try really hard to pick up the accent for me. She didn't come back with an accent, just a new boyfriend.

70 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:27:37am

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

Funny...I have a thing for petite redheads with a scottish brogue.

Of course, like many musicians from the UK she seems to suffer from 'lost my accent while singing' syndrome

Try this for real a real scots trad music. The harpist is Catriona McKay. It may be the prettiest song in the world:

71 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:30:39am

re: #69 ArchangelMichael

I've always had a thing for women with British accents even the almost unintelligible cockney accents. Never dated any woman that had one though. My girlfriend in 1995 went to London for 4 months for school. I asked her to try really hard to pick up the accent for me. She didn't come back with an accent, just a new boyfriend.

Doh!

72 Gus  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:32:52am

U2 - Beautiful Day

Good night to all.

Peace.

73 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:33:22am

re: #72 Gus 802

U2 - Beautiful Day


[Video]

Good night to all.

Peace.

Backatcha.

74 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:34:39am

re: #71 austin_blue

Doh!

She of course waited until she got back to tell me this. Made me waste a couple months turning down other opportunities. She also dropped this bomb on me on Christmas eve. The very next year, another girlfriend dumped me on Christmas eve as well. I was beginning to really hate the holidays.

The best one was this though. My senior year in high school. My then girlfriend dumped me on the day of my 18th birthday.

75 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:36:42am

re: #74 ArchangelMichael

She of course waited until she got back to tell me this. Made me waste a couple months turning down other opportunities. She also dropped this bomb on me on Christmas eve. The very next year, another girlfriend dumped me on Christmas eve as well. I was beginning to really hate the holidays.

The best one was this though. My senior year in high school. My then girlfriend dumped me on the day of my 18th birthday.

Do you wear wrist bands to hide the scars, or two watches?

76 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:42:55am

I'm trying to think of a scenario- any scenario- where my accent (or lack thereof) could be considered 'charming' or 'alluring' by any stretch of the imagination.

I actually don't have an accent per-se, but I can mimic the Southern, Boston and Canadian accents fairly convincingly, yet I get the feeling those are accents people automatically deduct IQ points from the second they hear somebody speaking it.

I can also speak conversational Spanish and some basic Russian, but I don't think fumbling through some really simple guidebook Spanish (or Russian) would be considered all that attractive.

77 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:43:52am

re: #75 austin_blue

Do you wear wrist bands to hide the scars, or two watches?

lol...
No I just keep a low profile on my birthday and Christmas now.

78 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:49:03am

I've been hooked up with a few real winners if you cant tell. The high school girl and I are pretty good friends now 16 years later. She's apologized profusely for that incident. The England one... not so much. Haven't heard from her in 13 years.

79 Kragar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:59:13am

6 hours later and I've got 1 Wolf Guard marine done. 19 to go.

80 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:00:47am

re: #40 austin_blue

If you shoot it, be prepared to eat it. Don't kill for sport. I've never understood trophy hunting.

Coincidentally, a bone of contention around my casa the past few days.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:01:15am

re: #26 eclectic infidel

I envy birds.

You are correct to envy us, mortal!


;-)

82 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:01:34am

re: #78 ArchangelMichael

The England one... not so much. Haven't. heard from her in 13 years.

She just whispered in my ear, apparently you owe her $20

83 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:02:32am

re: #82 Bagua

She just whispered in my ear, apparently you owe her $20

Does she take checks?

84 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:02am

Fenway, what do you have in the way of inspirational train pron tonight? I've had an epically shitty day, to cap off an epically shitty week.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:15am

You all want some bird music? Here is some serious bird music:

86 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:46am

re: #84 theheat


You too, huh?

87 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:05:54am

re: #86 Fenway_Nation

Oh yeah. In spades.

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:08:23am

re: #52 ArchangelMichael

Well I could always post Erasure or Pet Shop Boys.

As someone who is predisposed to indetify as teh ghey, I am mostly into eardrum-shredding metal and industrial, but I have a fondness for Depeche Mode and The Sisters of Mercy. Erasure and PSB, not so much. :D


(okay, Opportunities is a good song)

89 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:12:15am

re: #88 WindUpBird

As someone who is predisposed to indetify as teh ghey, I am mostly into eardrum-shredding metal and industrial, but I have a fondness for Depeche Mode and The Sisters of Mercy. Erasure and PSB, not so much. :D

(okay, Opportunities is a good song)

Ask and Ye shall receive

90 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:14:32am

Hrm.. music, bird theme and trying to find a Swedish connection.. this was the best I could come up with:

Eagle-Eye Cherry - Save Tonight

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:14:49am

re: #89 ArchangelMichael

Ask and Ye shall receive

Yeah! I do that song at karaoke :D I love me some Sisters, have since high school. Their live shows sorta suck, though, it's all smoke machines and horrible mixing, Eldritch was barely audible when I saw SOM in Portland.

92 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:16:08am

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

I'm trying to think of a scenario- any scenario- where my accent (or lack thereof) could be considered 'charming' or 'alluring' by any stretch of the imagination.

I actually don't have an accent per-se, but I can mimic the Southern, Boston and Canadian accents fairly convincingly, yet I get the feeling those are accents people automatically deduct IQ points from the second they hear somebody speaking it.

I can also speak conversational Spanish and some basic Russian, but I don't think fumbling through some really simple guidebook Spanish (or Russian) would be considered all that attractive.

After I got out of the Air Force, I looked for airline jobs. Non-existent. Well, not strictly true. I got an offer from a commuter for $18 large a yesr. So I wnt south and got a job as a geologist and knocked around the Gulf for a couple of years and then went with a multi-national that specialized in real time downhole data logging. I was basing myself out of New Orleans, but spent three months overseas and one month back home on leave. The overseas tours were three weeks on, one week off, but they kept you on half pay on your down time and gave you a plane ticket to wherever you wanted to go on the continent on your week off.

Pretty sweet.

Most of my work the first year and a half was in the North Sea (Aberdeen was referred to as Abilene because there were so many Americans coming through the town at the time), and my first three week stint was on the Dixielynn 95, which was staffed with about 80% Scots, 19% Brits, and me. I got off the helo, walked into the Hilton, and was met by a Highlander who attempted to explain the ins and outs of the rig to me. I looked around in a panic. I really was not able to understand him. One of the Brits on my crew was walking by and I grabbed him and asked him to translate. They both thought this was hilarious.

So, for about two weeks, I was the idiot yank. After a while, I was able to follow along, and by the end of the first three weeks, I was fluent. I can still pull off a reasonable Glaswegian or Edinburgian accent, but that Highland brogue is so still so dense I can't pull it off.

93 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:19:37am

re: #80 theheat

Coincidentally, a bone of contention around my casa the past few days.

Venison tastes *good*. Shoot it, eat it, mount the horns.

It is these "hunting ranches" down that are disturbing to me. Three thousand dollars to shoot an Axis deer and all you take home is bone and horn? That ain't right.

94 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:22:07am

re: #93 austin_blue

Canned hunts are for men with very small, flaccid penises - I don't care if it's birds or exotics.

95 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:28:14am

re: #94 theheat

Canned hunts are for men with very small, flaccid penises - I don't care if it's birds or exotics.

I really don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but I tend to agree. I love shooting doves. Tasty! Challenging!

("Whadja shoot?" "About three boxes.")

But the whole idea of shooting semi-confined animals brought from distant lands so you don't have to pay the airfare is...wrong.

96 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:31:37am

re: #95 austin_blue


3 boxes? Piker...try a half case...for mabye 40 birds.

97 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:31:38am

re: #95 austin_blue

Real men. Real hunters.

98 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:32:22am

re: #96 BignJames


and maybe not.

99 laZardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:34:07am

re: #97 theheat

Real men. Real hunters.

That squirrel was a goddamn commie sumbitch!

/no really, Nork kiddies view that sort of stuff.

100 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:36:20am

re: #84 theheat

Did you manage to cram yesterday's Train pr0n into your eyeholes?

101 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:38:22am

re: #83 ArchangelMichael

Does she take checks?

Under the circumstance she want the dosh.

102 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:39:23am

re: #100 Fenway_Nation

Yes, and I detected a bit of rust on the car just past the treeline. Trickster.

103 Neutral President  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:39:24am

re: #101 Bagua

Under the circumstance she want the dosh.

I have a 1 oz silver coin. I think silver is trading near $20/oz now.

104 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:40:06am

re: #97 theheat

Real men. Real hunters.

Hah!

105 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:41:05am

re: #103 ArchangelMichael

I have a 1 oz silver coin. I think silver is trading near $20/oz now.

Around $17.60:


[Link: www.kitcosilver.com...]

106 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:41:51am

Oh, and if you hadn't heard, Obama was given Motor Trends Car of the Year award today.

107 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:42:25am

re: #106 austin_blue

Now you're just being mean... tempting all the wingnuts like that...

108 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:44:22am

re: #107 freetoken

It's a 24 hour assault. How cruel.

re: #106 austin_blue

Ha! Send it to Fox news, and see if they print it.

109 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:44:35am

re: #107 freetoken

Now you're just being mean... tempting all the wingnuts like that...


Why not? He's a cinch for the Superbowl, too.

110 laZardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:44:41am

re: #106 austin_blue

Oh, and if you hadn't heard, Obama was given Motor Trends Car of the Year award today.

GM CEO: "We're thinking of developing future alternatives to the Buick Regal."

Me: 8D "Well, I-"

GM CEO: "Except the GNX."

Me: >8C

111 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:46:49am

re: #103 ArchangelMichael

I have a 1 oz silver coin. I think silver is trading near $20/oz now.

Yea, she said you'd try to short change her.

112 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:47:10am

re: #107 freetoken

Now you're just being mean... tempting all the wingnuts like that...

What?? Me??

113 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:48:26am

re: #108 theheat

It's a 24 hour assault. How cruel.

re: #106 austin_blue

Ha! Send it to Fox news, and see if they print it.

It'd be on every whack blog in time for the morning drive time.

Oh, wait, weekend...

Fail!!!

114 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:49:42am

re: #106 austin_blue

Oh, and if you hadn't heard, Obama was given Motor Trends Car of the Year award today.

They'll never fall for that one, no cars are built in Kenya.

/

115 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:51:25am

re: #113 austin_blue

I'm sure you could write a very convincing press release, and borrow a few graphics. (It's that, or claim you've found the real birth certificate.) I wouldn't put it past the wingnutsphere to buy it lock, stock, and barrel.

You could probably even argue it was a 100% made-up farce, and they'd still run with it.

116 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:51:58am

re: #114 Bagua

They'll never fall for that one, no cars are built in Kenya.

/

Ba-dum Boomp.

117 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:52:02am

re: #102 theheat


I think I have a live one...fair warning- the rust quotient is pretty low.

/in keeping with a theme [however convoluted]

118 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:55:07am

re: #116 austin_blue

Ba-dum Boomp.

You have to heckle them according to their beliefs ya know. IW is the master.

119 laZardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:55:31am

Gonna nap for a bit, been up since 7 AM. Automobbl.

120 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:58:55am

re: #107 freetoken

What's with the BBC going off reservation with the articleWhat happened to Global Warming?

From their Climate Correspondent no less. I had to verify the url a few times.

121 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:58:58am

re: #117 Fenway_Nation

On the blog, or are you dragging one back here?

122 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:03:56am

re: #121 theheat

It's going on the blog...

Photographer has a Polish last name, so linking his gallery is going to be an excercise in consonants.

123 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:11:32am

re: #115 theheat

I'm sure you could write a very convincing press release, and borrow a few graphics. (It's that, or claim you've found the real birth certificate.) I wouldn't put it past the wingnutsphere to buy it lock, stock, and barrel.

You could probably even argue it was a 100% made-up farce, and they'd still run with it.

It really has gotten to that point, hasn't it? On one hand, it's laughable. On the other hand it's just pitiful. And possibly destructive.

I think sane, reasoned, political discourse is necessary for this country to govern itself. But that assumes two adult organizations in the room. The Ds, for all their faults (and I am the first to admit they are Legion), put itself up as the Loyal Opposition when the Rs had control of the Exec, the Reps for all except the last two years of his term, and, for most of GWs presidency, the Senate. Was there BDS? You betcha! But the Ds national hierarchy quashed it, to a large extent. It didn't become the *public* face of the party to the country at large.

Things have changed. The Rs national hierarchy seems to be flailing as to what to do about *those people*. Reject them? Embrace them?

I can tell you this:

I live in Texas. The Rs down here *compete* for lunatic status. They try to out-Right each other in every primary race. This is now being played out between Rick Perry (A&M Cheerleader) and Kay Bailey Hutchinson (SMU Cheerleader) for the '10 Governor's race.

Any wonder I am a Democrat down here?

124 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:14:53am

re: #123 austin_blue


unhhh...aren't you in Austin?

125 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:16:04am

re: #124 BignJames

unhhh...aren't you in Austin?

Yepper.

126 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:18:21am

re: #123 austin_blue

Oh, yes, the great state of Texas. Lived there for awhile. Way, way, way too fundie for me, and even more so now with Perry at the helm. To the north you have Oklahoma, and all the insanity going on there. You have Jindal waving at you from the east...

It's spooky, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

I did love the Austin music scene, though.

127 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:19:11am

re: #125 austin_blue

Yepper.


Well, just goin' from what I've read about Austin...home of UT and all...I prolly woulda guessed Dem...65/35 anyway.

128 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:20:41am

re: #126 theheat

Oh, yes, the great state of Texas. Lived there for awhile. Way, way, way too fundie for me, and even more so now with Perry at the helm. To the north you have Oklahoma, and all the insanity going on there. You have Jindal waving at you from the east...

It's spooky, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

I did love the Austin music scene, though.

Still going on! Great town.

129 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:25:03am

re: #128 austin_blue

Is there still a strip club around there called the Doll House South? I'm pretty sure it was Austin. (This was back in the late 70s early 80s.)

130 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:25:32am

re: #127 BignJames

Well, just goin' from what I've read about Austin...home of UT and all...I prolly woulda guessed Dem...65/35 anyway.

In my precinct, last election, 93-7.

But you have to understand. I grew up in a military family (click the nic). My parents were very comfortably Eisenhower Republicans. You know what you call those people now? Partisan Democrats.

Eisenhower got 40% of the black vote in 1956. Things have changed.

131 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:26:38am

Good Morning Lizards!

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:28:36am

re: #131 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!


I'll say it, Mornin' Hoops!!

133 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:29:08am

re: #130 austin_blue


Yeah...I'm a brat too.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:29:54am

The fucking crazy was thick yesterday. Sheesh.

135 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:30:42am

re: #129 theheat

Is there still a strip club around there called the Doll House South? I'm pretty sure it was Austin. (This was back in the late 70s early 80s.)

Um, not sure. I seem to recall a totally nude club that was down on Ben White for a while that might have been called that. No liquor license? You had to bring your own bottle and then pay for set-ups?

136 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:31:47am

re: #131 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning Hoops!

137 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:33:14am

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll say it, Mornin' Hoops!!

Good Morning...The Fever lost last night...We almost won a world championship...Our ladies played with class and strength...
I feel for them this morning...Almost doesn't count though..
wonderful Season Fever...

138 TheMatrix31  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:33:29am

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

What do you mean?

139 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:34:37am

re: #120 Bagua

What's with the BBC going off reservation with the articleWhat happened to Global Warming?

From their Climate Correspondent no less. I had to verify the url a few times.

What was so remarkable about that article?

140 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:34:59am

re: #120 Bagua

It's just one in a long series of poor science journalism articles... in this case yet another confused sod over Latif's statements.

Oh, and as for which year is warmest in recent times... that depends upon whether one includes the Arctic temperatures. The UK data ignores the Arctic temperatures above a certain latitude, but the GISS data includes it. That is why there is a difference between the GISS and Hadley charts.

141 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:35:12am

re: #135 austin_blue

Doesn't sound the same. This place had enormous drinks - like freakin' fishbowls. And one mixed drink was blue, I remember that. It was the first time I'd ever been to a strip club, and a girlfriend and I duped this young Mormon friend into going with us. I don't know how many drinks later, but we talked him into taking his shirt and pants off, and he left with something like 60 dollar bills in his tighty whities.

(I know. I'm going to hell for that.)

142 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:37:38am

Aaargh. Goodnight my friends.

*Way* too late. Must crash.

Have a lovely day tomorrow (today?).

Texas is going to beat Colorado like a red-headed step child.

If I am wrong, I fully expect each and every one of you to mock me with great vigor.

Adios.

143 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:38:03am

re: #139 cenotaphium

What was so remarkable about that article?

See Freetoken's comment, it is well off the reservation for the BBC, must have slipped past the editor.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:38:14am

re: #138 TheMatrix31

What do you mean?

We had fun here, but others elsewhere went off the rails.

145 TheMatrix31  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:38:49am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

oh

146 austin_blue  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:39:05am

re: #141 theheat

Doesn't sound the same. This place had enormous drinks - like freakin' fishbowls. And one mixed drink was blue, I remember that. It was the first time I'd ever been to a strip club, and a girlfriend and I duped this young Mormon friend into going with us. I don't know how many drinks later, but we talked him into taking his shirt and pants off, and he left with something like 60 dollar bills in his tighty whities.

(I know. I'm going to hell for that.)

Dude, I think you should get your own freakin' *planet* from the Mormons for that. Well played!

147 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:39:14am

re: #141 theheat


a Mormon...in a strip club...drinking alcohol...you sure he was a Morman?

148 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:40:06am

re: #146 austin_blue

No, I'm female, and so was my friend. Poor guy never knew what hit him.

149 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:41:50am

re: #148 theheat

No, I'm female, and so was my friend. Poor guy never knew what hit him.

LOL
That's our girl Lizards!
Sounds like fun

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:41:52am

re: #148 theheat

No, I'm female, and so was my friend. Poor guy never knew what hit him.

Women make men stoopid.:)

151 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:42:12am

re: #147 BignJames

Yup. Don't know if he is today.

152 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:45:11am

re: #151 theheat

Yup. Don't know if he is today.

I've been trying for years to get a Mormon to drink a Coke...nope...he'll drink an orange or a grape soda but no Coke.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:47:38am

re: #152 BignJames

I've been trying for years to get a Mormon to drink a Coke...nope...he'll drink an orange or a grape soda but no Coke.

Is there a reason he won't drink coke? Just a preferance?

154 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:47:41am

re: #140 freetoken

The BBC said:

It [The MET] predicts that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998).

Didn't the MET say from 2009 - 2014?

155 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:47:57am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is there a reason he won't drink coke? Just a preferance?

It's the caffeine I think. God hates that.

156 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:48:21am

re: #152 BignJames

Honestly, once you get them to a strip club, getting them to drink a Coke is a done deal. It's all gravy from there.

157 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:48:26am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is there a reason he won't drink coke? Just a preferance?


Contains caffeine...a stimulant.

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:48:55am

re: #155 cenotaphium

It's the caffeine I think. God hates that.

Then right now, God hates me. Hope he likes beer, though, because that will be later.

159 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:49:33am

re: #156 theheat

Honestly, once you get them to a strip club, getting them to drink a Coke is a done deal. It's all gravy from there.

So they like gravy?
/

160 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:50:35am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Then right now, God hates me. Hope he likes beer, though, because that will be later.

Not to worry...He turns water into wine
God Rocks!

161 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:50:46am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Then right now, God hates me. Hope he likes beer, though, because that will be later.

I wouldn't worry about it. Checking various religious dietary requirements, he seems pretty indecisive. You'll probably be able to slide past that bit.

162 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:50:53am

re: #155 cenotaphium

It's the caffeine I think. God hates that.


Yeah...no coffee or tea either...who knew God could be such a stick in the mud?

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:51:01am

re: #160 HoosierHoops

Not to worry...He turns water into wine
God Rocks!

WOOT!!

164 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:52:25am

re: #157 BignJames

Contains caffeine...a stimulant.

Caffeine is of the Devil

165 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:52:43am

re: #154 Bagua

Don't know.

Why not research it for us?

166 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:52:54am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Then right now, God hates me. Hope he likes beer, though, because that will be later.


Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy...if it's not in the Bible, it oughta be.

167 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:53:09am

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

So they like gravy?

I hate to stereotype.
/

168 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:56:19am

re: #165 freetoken

Don't know.

Why not research it for us?


Found it on page four

2014 predicted to be 0.3ºC warmer than 2004
Half of years from 2009-2014 predicted to be hotter than 1998

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:56:37am

re: #166 BignJames

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy...if it's not in the Bible, it oughta be.

We can rewrite it. If there is a King James version, we'll make a BignJames version.
//

170 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:58:15am

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

We can rewrite it. If there is a King James version, we'll make a BignJames version.
//


I've got one...it's just not written down anywhere.

171 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:58:21am

re: #166 BignJames

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy...if it's not in the Bible, it oughta be.

We have a lot of mead and fertility rites in Asatru. Join us! A free wench for every convert.

172 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:58:46am

re: #166 BignJames

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy...if it's not in the Bible, it oughta be.


It is in the Bible:

Beer

Beer (bē'ur) [key], in the Bible. 1. Unidentified place, to which Gideon's son Jotham fled. 2. Unidentified place, E of the Dead Sea between the Arnon and the Jordan, where Israel camped and dug a well. The little song quoted is one of the oldest poetic pieces in the Bible.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:59:05am

re: #168 Bagua

My radio during a news break warned of a mini ice age raising CO2 levels and people would die. I think they quoted John Holdren.

174 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:59:27am

re: #171 cenotaphium

We have a lot of mead and fertility rites in Asatru. Join us! A free wench for every convert.

I am so there..
*wink*

175 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:00:10am

re: #171 cenotaphium

We have a lot of mead and fertility rites in Asatru. Join us! A free wench for every convert.

Speaking of Meed... what a lovely, refreshing beverage. Polished off two bottles since finding it at the market.

176 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:00:18am

re: #171 cenotaphium

We have a lot of mead and fertility rites in Asatru. Join us! A free wench for every convert.


Where is Asatru? What state? Unconsciousness?

177 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:00:41am

Skip And Go Naked!

(I just remembered the name of the drink.)

178 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:01:35am

re: #176 BignJames

Where is Asatru? What state? Unconsciousness?

It's Norse religion, silly. And yes, it focuses heavily on the latter. ;)

179 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:01:52am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio during a news break warned of a mini ice age raising CO2 levels and people would die. I think they quoted John Holdren.

Some old quote? How would an ice age raise CO2 levels?

180 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:02:48am

re: #177 theheat

Skip And Go Naked!

(I just remembered the name of the drink.)


Sex on the Beach...there's another one!


in bed

181 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:03:29am

re: #177 theheat

Skip And Go Naked!

(I just remembered the name of the drink.)

I invented a drink in Hawaii.. (It was a crazy night )
1 part Vodka..1 part OJ..1 part Passion fruit...
like a screw driver..But I called it a passionate Screw
Very popular that night

182 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:04:57am

I found this tidbit about the old strip joint, from 1987:

HONOLULU Although they might have heard legends that would make a Hawaiian volcano god blush, denizens of these islands need not tremble just because Steve McMichael is making his first Pro Bowl appearance.

The hell-raising Bears defensive tackle is enjoying Hawaii family style, shooting a few rounds of golf and sipping drinks on the beach with wife Debra.

This is not the McMichael who once cleared out a bar by grabbing a microphone and singing his own invective-littered version of a fight song.

This is not the McMichael who, for $30 a night, bounced out unruly patrons from a strip joint called The Doll House South in Texas.

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:05:21am

re: #179 Bagua

Some old quote? How would an ice age raise CO2 levels?

For some reason, I think it might have been an old quote. I can't find the story.

184 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:07:20am

re: #168 Bagua

2014 predicted to be 0.3ºC warmer than 2004

Please observer the pink fuzz around the line! The .3C is just the middle (most likely) of the range, with a rather wide uncertainty. This is really important, from a scientific viewpoint.

185 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:08:21am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio during a news break warned of a mini ice age raising CO2 levels and people would die. I think they quoted John Holdren.

I see it, it was the Man's CO2 emissions causing the mini ice age and a billion deaths by 2020, supposedly in his 1986 book. Youthful indiscretion.

186 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:08:26am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

WND is pushing that story... they ran with it a couple of days ago (as a follow up to their un-attributed-to-Zombie Holdren attack.) Your radio station is perhaps just repeating what the WND pumpers are putting out.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:09:02am

re: #185 Bagua

Sounds right.

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:09:36am

re: #186 freetoken

It's a FOX affiliate. So, I don't know.

189 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:09:45am

re: #184 freetoken

Please observer the pink fuzz around the line! The .3C is just the middle (most likely) of the range, with a rather wide uncertainty. This is really important, from a scientific viewpoint.


Yeah...it's called "fudge factor"...and it's in every fluid flow equation known to man...aka swag.

190 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:10:02am

re: #185 Bagua

I see it, it was the Man's CO2 emissions causing the mini ice age and a billion deaths by 2020, supposedly in his 1986 book. Youthful indiscretion.

Ludvig is going to slap you so hard later..

191 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:10:36am

re: #189 BignJames

No, it is the confidence interval that is shown, based on past data sets.

192 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:10:55am

re: #190 cenotaphium

Ludvig is going to slap you so hard later..

He was quoting a book.

193 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:11:20am

re: #190 cenotaphium

Ludvig is going to slap you so hard later..

I said "supposedly." So what if he did write that in '86?

194 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:12:15am

re: #190 cenotaphium

Ludvig is going to slap you so hard later..


Do you pronounce it Lud-vig or Lood-vig?

195 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:12:45am

re: #191 freetoken

No, it is the confidence interval that is shown, based on past data sets.

Right, looks like less than 50% confidence.

196 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:12:46am

re: #122 Fenway_Nation

I get it, Fenway. Redhead = rust. You had me going for a second. I agree, both are well-preserved.

197 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:12:55am

re: #191 freetoken

No, it is the confidence interval that is shown, based on past data sets.


Right...swag.

198 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:14:17am

re: #197 BignJames

Try here: Confidence Interval.

199 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:14:33am

re: #182 theheat


OK...the NANESB! blog has been updated. Maybe not as titillating as the Dollhouse, but I'm striving for quality over quantity.

200 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:15:38am

re: #199 Fenway_Nation

Titillating? Odd, you would choose that.

201 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:16:03am

re: #190 cenotaphium

Ludvig is going to slap you so hard later..

Was that meant as a joke btw?

202 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:16:38am

re: #194 BignJames

Do you pronounce it Lud-vig or Lood-vig?

luD-Vig, if that makes sense. Emphasis on capital letters. "Lood-vig" sounds more like the slurred speech of Danes. Our shameful sibling that's always staggering about making a fool of itself. :(

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:16:51am

re: #199 Fenway_Nation

I like the John Deere. Me need one.

204 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:17:01am

re: #201 Bagua

Was that meant as a joke btw?

Yes.

205 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:17:16am

re: #196 theheat

Freudian rack...

I mean boob

...dang...tatas...

SLIP! That's the word I was looking for...

206 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:17:56am

re: #198 freetoken

Try here: Confidence Interval.

Ok...calculated swag.

207 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:18:39am

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

Same size as that one?

208 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:19:04am

re: #204 cenotaphium

Yes.


Ah, the old Swedish Pun Ploy.

209 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:19:36am

re: #202 cenotaphium

Hey! My ancestors were Danes...about 1200 yrs. ago.

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:19:40am

re: #207 Fenway_Nation

Same size as that one?

I could use one about 35HP with a 5 foot bush hog.

211 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:19:41am

re: #205 Fenway_Nation

Have to commend you for your efforts to stay abreast...

212 cenotaphium  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:20:32am

re: #209 BignJames

Hey! My ancestors were Danes...about 1200 yrs. ago.

My condolences.

213 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:21:15am

re: #209 BignJames

Hey! My ancestors were Danes...about 1200 yrs. ago.

Talk about nursing a grudge, if we can't rag on Dane's whose left?

Oh, the Dutch!

214 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:21:31am

re: #212 cenotaphium

My condolences.


Hey! We kicked butt...about 1200 yrs. ago.

215 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:23:08am

re: #214 BignJames

Hey! We kicked butt...about 1200 yrs. ago.

The only good Dane is a Great Dane.

216 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:24:21am

re: #211 theheat

Helpful to watch the boob tube every now and then.

217 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:25:06am

re: #215 Bagua


Nooo...not Scooby! I surrender!

218 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:26:49am

re: #217 BignJames

Nooo...not Scooby! I surrender!

Amazing that your ancestors evolved from Great Danes in only 1,200 years.

219 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:27:51am

re: #215 Bagua

The only good Dane is a Great Dane.

[Video]


Used to bribe my grandson..."I'll take you to the store and buy you a toy...if we don't have to watch Scooby today."

220 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:29:28am

re: #218 Bagua

Amazing that your ancestors evolved from Great Danes in only 1,200 years.


Didn't you see that posting about the lizards on an island off the coast of Bosnia?

221 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:30:17am

Holy crab. While I was looking up anything on the old Doll House South, I came across a post from a guy in Texas... Anyway, he now has an adult diaper fetish. (I hope it's not same guy. I'd feel bad if we damaged him so much he's into diaper pron.)

I must be out of the loop, because I didn't know there even was an adult diaper fetish. Ewww.

222 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:30:36am

re: #221 theheat

No, holy crap.

223 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:31:07am

Oh damn...0bama was just named Playmate of the Year.

224 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:32:09am

re: #223 Fenway_Nation

Add that to Car Of The Year, and the Peace Prize, and he's made a helluva haul for one week.

225 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:32:21am

re: #223 Fenway_Nation

Oh damn...0bama was just named Playmate of the Year.


Now that oughtta be worth somethin'.

226 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:33:04am

re: #220 BignJames

Didn't you see that posting about the lizards on an island off the coast of Bosnia?

These Lizards?

227 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:33:12am

re: #221 theheat

Apparently there's fetishes for just about anything these days.

/already knows more than I'd care to about certain fetishes.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:33:15am

re: #221 theheat

Holy crab. While I was looking up anything on the old Doll House South, I came across a post from a guy in Texas... Anyway, he now has an adult diaper fetish. (I hope it's not same guy. I'd feel bad if we damaged him so much he's into diaper pron.)

I must be out of the loop, because I didn't know there even was an adult diaper fetish. Ewww.

There was a guy in Florida who hired a girl to alledgedly take care of his brother who wore diapers and had to be feed. Turned out it was him. The cops couldn't charge him since he paid her. Freak.

229 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:34:52am

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar


Whatever happened to stewardesses or cheerleaders?

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:34:56am

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.theweeklyvice.com...]

231 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:35:02am

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

Umm. Ick. Mega ick.

232 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:35:30am

re: #226 Bagua

These Lizards?

Yup...dat's dem.

233 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:35:41am

re: #227 Fenway_Nation

I don't think train pron is going to make anyone retch. No one will lose an eye or get hurt.

Will they?

234 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:36:03am

re#223 Fenway_Nation

Oh damn...0bama was just named Playmate of the Year.

They are also featuring Levi's Johnson

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:36:10am

re: #229 Fenway_Nation

Whatever happened to stewardesses or cheerleaders?

Catholic schoolgirl did you say?

236 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:36:59am

re: #233 theheat

I don't think train pron is going to make anyone retch. No one will lose an eye or get hurt.

Will they?


Train wreck...maybe.

237 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:38:22am

re: #232 BignJames

Yup...dat's dem.

They also evolved into Danes?

I've lost the plot.

238 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:38:29am

re: #233 theheat

Depends on how close they want to watch that 'action' from.

239 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:39:20am

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

Loose rust particles.

In the eye.

Yeah, it's gonna hurt.

240 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:39:47am

re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or belly-dancer. Or cavegirl...

241 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:41:18am

re: #240 Fenway_Nation

Or belly-dancer. Or cavegirl...

Or a girl holding a beer. And a samich.

242 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:41:23am

re: #237 Bagua

They also evolved into Danes?

I've lost the plot.


No...they evolved rapidly.

243 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:42:51am

Or the 'bad cop'...or a cowgirl.

/turns out the rope isn't always just for show.

Damn...Halloween's coming right up, too.

244 Bagua  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:43:35am

re: #242 BignJames

No...they evolved rapidly.

Ah, that's it. Science is fascinating.

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:43:54am

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Or the 'bad cop'...or a cowgirl.

/turns out the rope isn't always just for show.

Damn...Halloween's coming right up, too.

Wonder Woman. Golden Lasso.

246 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:45:09am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wonder Woman. Golden Lasso.


Ahem...are y'all making plans...or just thinking out loud?

247 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:46:14am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Was always kinda partial to Roy Rogers actually. I really like those sequined shirts."

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:46:36am

re: #246 BignJames

Ahem...are y'all making plans...or just thinking out loud?

Just thinkin' out loud. Where were you when we we talkin' tractors?

249 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:47:54am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just thinkin' out loud. Where were you when we we talkin' tractors?


Not paying attention, obviously.

250 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:49:59am

re: #249 BignJames

Not paying attention, obviously.

Did you find the part where God wanted you to drink more beer?

251 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:50:48am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar


Or vintage diesels locomotives...

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:52:10am

re: #251 Fenway_Nation

Or vintage diesels locomotives...

We have one near my house that does trips every weekend. Mainly for the kids. Or the kid at heart.

253 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:56:27am

re: #251 Fenway_Nation

Oh, like... hmmm... I dunno... a Zephyr, maybe?

Now, that's a sessy train.

254 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:57:53am

re: #250 theheat

Did you find the part where God wanted you to drink more beer?


It's written in my soul.

255 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:58:26am

re: #254 BignJames

That's what I call inner faith.

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:58:47am

They're trying to get a bullet train in Florida to go from Tampa to Orlando to Miami.

257 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:59:59am

Morning Lizards. Time to brew some more beer! An IPA today.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:00:50am

re: #257 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards. Time to brew some more beer! An IPA today.

I'll ask. IPA?

259 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:02:07am

re: #257 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards. Time to brew some more beer! An IPA today.

Now yer talkin!

260 BignJames  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:02:27am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll ask. IPA?

India Pale Ale

261 theheat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:06:18am

I'm going to switch over to work mode now. (Sigh.) Goodnight, All.

262 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:07:25am

re: #261 theheat


G'nite theheat!

/you didn't see the Buddliners from the other night? They were wedged somewhere between Lisa Kelly and Jewel...

263 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:13:37am
wedged somewhere between Lisa Kelly and Jewel...

Not a bad place to wind up, in the grand scheme of things

/*wistful sigh*

264 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:29:12am

re: #260 BignJames

India Pale Ale

Invented by the Brits, for shipment to the beer-deprived colonists in India. Ordinary ale spoiled during the voyage in pre-refrigeration days, but they found that by increasing the amount of hops and alcohol the shipment survived in a drinkable state.

Modern IPAs are some of the highest alcohol content beers around. I saw one at the store last week (Doghead? Not sure) boasting a 20% alcohol rating; it was called something like "90 minute ale" because drinking it any faster than that would be...well, too much fun, for some people.

I haven't tried it yet. I kinda burned out my hops receptors - and everything else on my tongue - during an IPA binge last year. Might be time to look into it again, though.

265 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:31:55am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll ask. IPA?

Sorry, India Pale Ale. Changed my mind though, doing another batch of cherry wheat first.

266 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:37:31am

Good Morning LGF.
It's always nice to wake up on the right side of the dirt.

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:43:45am

crickets

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:44:57am

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

Deathist!

269 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:45:21am

re: #266 Spare O'Lake

Morning, spare of the freshwater aquatic geographic formation...

some days you're the fly, some days you're the windshield.

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:51:02am

I have to mow my yard tomorrow before noon, otherwise I miss football.

271 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:52:35am
272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:54:09am

Here's the quote I tried to think of all day yesterday...

"You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do."
-Henry Ford

Epic Fail Henry.

273 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:54:31am

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morning, person born outside matrimonial wedlock of the non carnivorous and corpulent persuasion.

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:55:23am

re: #273 Fenway_Nation

Oh my parents were married. I'm just a bastard.

275 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:57:09am

re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damnation...can't a guy be literal?

//

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:58:26am

re: #275 Fenway_Nation

heh

277 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:59:11am

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar


Do you have a riding mower? Maybe you can listen to some of the games on some headphones while mowing...

278 Bloodnok  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:02:13am

Good morning. Just keeping the thread moving.

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:02:22am

re: #277 Fenway_Nation

Do you have a riding mower? Maybe you can listen to some of the games on some headphones while mowing...

I have a rider, but can't hear my headphones while on it. Besides I plan on sitting in front of the TV with some ribs and beans.

280 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:04:11am

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar


That's as good a plan as any.

Weet dreams, lizards!

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:06:16am

re: #280 Fenway_Nation

Later, Fenway.

282 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:07:28am

Florida Gators vs. LSU tonight. Should be good.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:15:40am

Ya'll have a good weekend. See ya in a few days.

284 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:34:01am

re: #278 Bloodnok

Good morning. Just keeping the thread moving.

Hi Nok. S'up?

That O'Reilly/Dawkins video gets better every time I watch it. I'm thinking they cut away to all those pictures of Jesus as a way to hide the expressions of amusement and incredulity on Dawkins' face.

285 arethusa  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:34:03am

re: #278 Bloodnok

Good morning. Just keeping the thread moving.

Good morning, I also am just keeping the thread moving. (Never seen the most recent thread here where the last comment was 18 minutes ago!)

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:36:16am

re: #284 iceweasel

Not all Christians are silly

287 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:40:17am

This Obama Peace Prize business has caused quite a stir. One of the things I have found very interesting is the heated criticism which has zeroed in on the fact that Obama was inaugurated just 12 days before the nomination deadline.
It seems to me that this criticism is a red herring of the first order, for the simple reason that noone seriously maintains that Obama has accomplished anything concrete either before OR after the nomination deadline which would in any way qualify him for the prize.

So then why did Obama win the Nobel Peace Prize?
In my view it was the huge national and international significance of his election to the Presidency of the United States which was the sole basis for the award. The election of a black man to the Presidency has singlehandedly raised international HOPE for PEACE and RACIAL HARMONY in America and around the world to such lofty levels that this event alone was considered sufficient basis for the award.

After due consideration and as totally unrealistic and downright delusional as this may turn out to be, this is nevertheless my belief as to why they gave Obama the prize.
FWIW

288 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:40:33am

re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not all Christians are silly

When did I ever say they were? Never.

Bill O'Reilly, on the other hand, is. And would be if he were Christian or not, obviously.

Hello, FBV.

289 Bloodnok  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:42:54am

re: #284 iceweasel

Hi Nok. S'up?

That O'Reilly/Dawkins video gets better every time I watch it. I'm thinking they cut away to all those pictures of Jesus as a way to hide the expressions of amusement and incredulity on Dawkins' face.

Hi! :)

I haven't watched it yet, I missed that thread last night. Was it taken down? It's not loading for me.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:43:13am

WOO HOO! NEW AVATAR! WOO HOO! FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!

291 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:44:02am

re: #284 iceweasel

Hi Nok. S'up?

That O'Reilly/Dawkins video gets better every time I watch it. I'm thinking they cut away to all those pictures of Jesus as a way to hide the expressions of amusement and incredulity on Dawkins' face.

Nah, it was to hide the drool running down O'Reilly's chin.

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:44:22am

Hey, Ice.

Mr. Dawkins finds us quite silly.

293 arethusa  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:44:35am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WOO HOO! NEW AVATAR! WOO HOO! FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!

Punny!

294 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:50:54am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WOO HOO! NEW AVATAR! WOO HOO! FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!

Nice avatar!

re: #289 Bloodnok

Hi! :)

I haven't watched it yet, I missed that thread last night. Was it taken down? It's not loading for me.

Hey cutie. :)
It was working for me just now.

295 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:52:38am

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Deathist!

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:53:12am

re: #294 iceweasel

That is my head! Was made for me by a friend.

Wave to me!

297 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:53:19am

FBV, Nice avatar!

298 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:55:25am

re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is my head! Was made for me by a friend.

Wave to me!

You're kidding! I love it! *waves madly*

299 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:55:33am

Some short songs for a Saturday

Tim Hawkins

300 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:56:29am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WOO HOO! NEW AVATAR! WOO HOO! FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!

Evolutionist!

301 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:00:37am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WOO HOO! NEW AVATAR! WOO HOO! FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK!

Do you really expect me to believe that your grandfather was a manatee? I know mine sure as hell wasn't!

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:02:32am

re: #298 iceweasel

Did y'all know my first name is Hugh?

303 Bubblehead II  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:04:37am

Morning all.

Islamists the world over are rejoicing at yet another act of cowardice by the euroweenies.

304 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:07:35am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No! But I do now!

305 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:10:06am

re: #303 Bubblehead II

Morning all.

Islamists the world over are rejoicing at yet another act of cowardice by the euroweenies.

The sad thing is that these kinds of decisions are fodder for the Eurofascists.

306 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:11:09am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did y'all know my first name is Hugh?

Hugh've got to be kidding!

307 lrsshadow  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:14:07am

ok I know you guys may not agree with me, but I woke up and global warming is dead. When I am looking out at my yard I see snow on the ground. Sorry guys but there has not been snow on the ground in Minneapolis this early in anyone's memory going back for over 60 years.

Now I know it is going to get warm and cool as part of the overall global warming, but where do the record colds come from. I did not notice any huge cold spikes on any global warming graphs showing a period in which not only the temperature drops, but drops to the coldest record.

I have always looked at MN weather as a canary of the world weather. We have warm weather coming up from the Golf of Mexico and cold from the Arctic. This mixes above MN and creates our weather patterns. So I am going to save people a whole lot of time and money by announcing that Global Warming is Dead, now everyone and get back to doing more important stuff. Like fighting global cooling.

PS for those of you who have had to much coffee and those who have had not enough this is done a little "tongue in cheek"

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:19:18am

re: #306 Spare O'Lake

Never heard that one.
/

309 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:23:14am

re: #307 lrsshadow

ok I know you guys may not agree with me, but I woke up and global warming is dead. When I am looking out at my yard I see snow on the ground. Sorry guys but there has not been snow on the ground in Minneapolis this early in anyone's memory going back for over 60 years.

Now I know it is going to get warm and cool as part of the overall global warming, but where do the record colds come from. I did not notice any huge cold spikes on any global warming graphs showing a period in which not only the temperature drops, but drops to the coldest record.

I have always looked at MN weather as a canary of the world weather. We have warm weather coming up from the Golf of Mexico and cold from the Arctic. This mixes above MN and creates our weather patterns. So I am going to save people a whole lot of time and money by announcing that Global Warming is Dead, now everyone and get back to doing more important stuff. Like fighting global cooling.

PS for those of you who have had to much coffee and those who have had not enough this is done a little "tongue in cheek"

No offense, buddy, but I doubt that MN is a canary of world weather or anything else. There is a tendency for everyone to think that the world r

310 soxfan4life  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:24:06am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did y'all know my first name is Hugh?

Is your last name Mungous?

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:24:28am

(pssst, anybody noticed Sharmuta's Karma lately? She's almost at a hundred thousand... I mean, reeeal close.)

Don't know if that is a first. But I am guessing it is.

312 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:24:53am

re: #309 Spare O'Lake

No offense, buddy, but I doubt that MN is a canary of world weather or anything else. There is a tendency for everyone to think that the world r

...revolves around their own particular location, which of course is never the case.

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:24:54am

re: #310 soxfan4life

Is your last name Mungous?

No, it's Manatee!

314 soxfan4life  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:26:09am

re: #312 Spare O'Lake

...revolves around their own particular location, which of course is never the case.

Except for me. I truly am the center of the universe.///

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:27:35am
316 soxfan4life  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:28:12am

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought I was doing good to hit 2000. 50 more years like this one and I'll be there too.

317 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:37:25am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SEA COW!

Nice Avatar!

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:37:41am

WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY!

Oh. I've gotta run!

319 Bubblehead II  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:38:44am

re: #305 Spare O'Lake

Yep. And they will these decisions to spread their message of intolerance. What I don't understand is why they can't or refuse to realize this.

320 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:50:03am

re: #16 Summersong

Does anyone know why seagulls do that swirl in a whirlpool group thing a few times a day? And, is there a real name for the behavior?

This sort of bird behaviour is discussed in The Greatest Show on Earth.

321 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:58:27am

re: #92 austin_blue

I can still pull off a reasonable Glaswegian or Edinburgian accent, but that Highland brogue is so still so dense I can't pull it off.

I'm teaching my son to do the "fat bastard" accent, you know, "Get in my belly...sexy body...etc." I do quite a passable Glasgow and Edinburgh accent, but I also can do a Birmingham and Scouse accent.

322 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:58:29am

Into the light of the dark black night.

323 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:01:43am

re: #316 soxfan4life

I thought I was doing good to hit 2000. 50 more years like this one and I'll be there too.

I've decided to start updinging you madly on principle. Mission accomplished in this thread so far!

324 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:02:20am

re: #323 iceweasel

I've decided to start updinging you madly on principle. Mission accomplished in this thread so far!

Likewise.Good Morning Ice

325 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:03:24am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY!

Oh. I've gotta run!

AEIOUDDD (a medical acronym). Apoplexy, epilepsy, injury, opiates, uraemia, dead, drunk, diabaetic. It's all the things that lead to unconsciousness. They seem to have missed out "sleep".

326 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:04:13am

I gotta take my 12 year old to the beach here in a few minutes.

327 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:04:17am

re: #325 John Neverbend

AEIOUDDD (a medical acronym). Apoplexy, epilepsy, injury, opiates, uraemia, dead, drunk, diabaetic. It's all the things that lead to unconsciousness. They seem to have missed out "sleep".

Corrected spelling of diabetic.

328 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:04:28am

The dawn illuminates the telescope dome on Mount Wilson. Towercam. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Good morning all.

***

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth!

***

These politicians, they have bad habits. Among other things they spend way too much. Time to vote them out of office. It is folly to expect to reform the ones we've got. You can't pull a habit out of a rat.

329 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:05:09am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

Likewise.Good Morning Ice

Hey handsome! What's up, Sir Hoops-a-Lot?

(I call you this because you are chivalrous, a parfit gentil knight.)

330 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:05:23am

re: #328 Ojoe

The dawn illuminates the telescope dome on Mount Wilson. Towercam. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Good morning all.

***

Down with both major political parties. Pffiibbittth!

***

These politicians, they have bad habits. Among other things they spend way too much. Time to vote them out of office. It is folly to expect to reform the ones we've got. You can't pull a habit out of a rat.

The Whig has arrived! Morning Ojoe!

331 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:05:59am

re: #330 rwdflynavy

I tip my whig to you. Good morning!

332 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:08:19am

re: #94 theheat

Canned hunts are for men with very small, flaccid penises - I don't care if it's birds or exotics.

I was going to correct "penises", but I just looked in a new dictionary that I won in a crossword competition. Apparently, "penises" and "penes" are both admitted, so I withdraw my correction issued to LVQ a week or so ago. Apologies, Ludwig.

333 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:08:30am

re: #329 iceweasel

Hey handsome! What's up, Sir Hoops-a-Lot?

(I call you this because you are chivalrous, a parfit gentil knight.)

We are bummed out sweetie.. Our Woman did not win the World Championship last night in Basketball...

Before the game our buddy Keith said that if we win there will a million women in the City celebrating.
Yes Keith..So?
I could get laid!
That's my friends...
Nice seeing you

334 John Neverbend  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:11:44am

re: #120 Bagua

What's with the BBC going off reservation with the articleWhat happened to Global Warming?

I think they're starting to apply more broadly the same accurate and unbiased standards that they use for their Middle East coverage.//

335 soxfan4life  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:12:14am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

We are bummed out sweetie.. Our Woman did not win the World Championship last night in Basketball...

Before the game our buddy Keith said that if we win there will a million women in the City celebrating.
Yes Keith..So?
I could get laid!
That's my friends...
Nice seeing you

There is always next year. As a Red Sox fan I heard that more than I ever wanted as a kid.

336 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:23:46am

God gave men brains larger than a dog so that he wouldn't hump a woman's leg at cocktail parties..
-Name that movie..
***
Weekly Saturday movie review will be in 1 hour.

337 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:32:08am

People are still asleep it seems.

338 Danny  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:33:48am

re: #337 Ojoe

Catching up on last night's threads. Morning Ojoe.

339 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #334 John Neverbend

I think they're starting to apply more broadly the same accurate and unbiased standards that they use for their Middle East coverage.//

Interesting article.
It increasingly appears that at the very least we may be in a temporary period of global cooling which may last between another one and thirty years, then to be followed by a probable resumption of the global warming trend. And all of this is occurring despite a small but steady increase in global CO2 levels.
Hardly seems as conclusive as it did even a few months ago.
As a non-scientist, I feel obliged generally to defer to the majority scientic concensus on any given subject - unless I conclude that there is a political agenda afoot, or unless I conclude that there is a significant difference of scientific opinion.
As ever more evidence comes in, I am confident that the science will improve on this politically charged subject.

340 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:35:36am

Good morning, lizards.

341 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:35:42am

Good Morning Lizards,

I'll stay home today. Watch a little football and, if the score becomes too lopsided, there's always "Zulu" showing at 1100. All this while lurking at LGF.

342 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:37:06am

re: #338 Danny

'Mornin'!

343 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:37:49am

re: #341 Semper Fi

Good Morning Lizards,

I'll stay home today. Watch a little football and, if the score becomes too lopsided, there's always "Zulu" showing at 1100. All this while lurking at LGF.

Sounds like a good day to me.
Tomorrow is my birthday, and sweetie and I are doing a weekend color tour.

344 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:40:30am

re: #343 Irish Rose

Sounds like a good day to me.
Tomorrow is my birthday, and sweetie and I are doing a weekend color tour.

Happy B-day Irish. May all your B-day's be as welcome as the flowers in May.

345 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:42:54am

re: #344 Semper Fi

Happy B-day Irish. May all your B-day's be as welcome as the flowers in May.

Thanks!
Can't stay long this morning, just wanted to catch up on last nights' commentary.

346 SteveC  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:49:46am

re: #343 Irish Rose

Sounds like a good day to me.
Tomorrow is my birthday, and sweetie and I are doing a weekend color tour.

*Sends Rose a dozen Roses for her birthday, along with my best wishes!*

347 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:52:55am

re: #339 Spare O'Lake

So LGF is pro-AGW?

/checking, it's that or denial it seems

348 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:54:08am

re: #347 lazardo

Hmmm... "pro-AGW" ... that is ambiguous.

349 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:54:33am

re: #348 freetoken

pro-anthropogenic global warming. >_>

350 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:54:51am

Benny Hinn Ministries doesn’t publish its finances, but one report estimated it takes in $100 million a year. Hinn says only that the ministry pays him more than half a million dollars a year — but that income doesn’t include money from the sales of his books and his other private business ventures.

[Link: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]...]

somehow I think I know what Pat Condell would say about this guy...but to deny him entry into England?...what are they afraid of?

351 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:54:57am

re: #349 lazardo

pro-anthropogenic global warming. >_>

Still ambiguous :-)

352 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:55:41am

re: #351 freetoken

Basically it's humanity's fault the earth is warming, becuase it can't just be the normal summer-winter cycles?

353 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:55:41am

Nightmares on Wax: Les Nuits

354 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:58:07am

re: #343 Irish Rose

Sounds like a good day to me.
Tomorrow is my birthday, and sweetie and I are doing a weekend color tour.

Hello, IR. Glad to see you.

355 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:59:38am

re: #350 albusteve

Link not opening

England is denying Benny Hinn acess into the country?
On what grounds?

356 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 7:59:46am

re: #352 lazardo

The English prefix "pro" can often be construed as an affirmation, or an encouragement of, the noun to which it is affixed.

Onto your general question... it is clear (to me anyway) that LGF puts a very high premium on modernity, and especially science. Along the vein, Charles has been posting many threads to expound on the science and to confront the culture-war related dismissal of that science.

357 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:00:02am

re: #345 Irish Rose

Thanks!
Can't stay long this morning, just wanted to catch up on last nights' commentary.

I'm sure last nights commentary was far better than this mornings news: Gunmen Attack Pakistani Army Headquarters; 10 Dead
The story (earthlink.net) as reported is upsetting to me. In the story the perpetrators are referred to as gunmen, assailants, and attackers although para. 3 does make reference to a Taliban Leader who was apparently killed by a drone. I don't understand why it can't be reported as an apparent Taliban attack.
Any way, thankfully its a Fall Saturday and the TV will be on.

358 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:01:44am

now it will be weeks before BO's decision on Afghanistan is revealed...redefining victory etc takes awhile...looks like he is planning some head to toe makeover maybe?...stalling due to the extreme complexities?...I'm skeptical

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

359 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:03:00am

The NYT this morning pumps the theory that Obama's "Not George Bush" Prize is really to honor all Americans.

I don't deserve it, truly. But my four-tenths-of-a-cent share of the prize money is going to charity.

360 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:03:04am

Benny Hinn

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

361 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:04:10am

re: #350 albusteve

Benny Hinn Ministries doesn’t publish its finances, but one report estimated it takes in $100 million a year. Hinn says only that the ministry pays him more than half a million dollars a year — but that income doesn’t include money from the sales of his books and his other private business ventures.

[Link: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]...]

somehow I think I know what Pat Condell would say about this guy...but to deny him entry into England?...what are they afraid of?

Muslim influence???

362 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:04:37am

re: #355 sattv4u2

Link not opening

England is denying Benny Hinn acess into the country?
On what grounds?

Cause every time he prays people are healed..
It would mess up the whole care system in England..

363 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:04:54am

re: #341 Semper Fi

Good Morning Lizards,

I'll stay home today. Watch a little football and, if the score becomes too lopsided, there's always "Zulu" showing at 1100. All this while lurking at LGF.

What channel is Zulu on? I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

364 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:05:25am

re: #355 sattv4u2

Link not opening

England is denying Benny Hinn acess into the country?
On what grounds?

he failed to provide the necessary 'paper work'

365 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:06:00am

re: #359 Cato the Elder

Volokh has been pushing the idea that since Obama is a sitting President he shouldn't accept the award and money on a personal basis, but that Obama should say that the award (and money) belongs to the nation as a whole.

366 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:06:30am

re: #363 SixDegrees

What channel is Zulu on? I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

The Classic Movie Channel.

367 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:06:53am

re: #356 freetoken

The English prefix "pro" can often be construed as an affirmation, or an encouragement of, the noun to which it is affixed.

Onto your general question... it is clear (to me anyway) that LGF puts a very high premium on modernity, and especially science. Along the vein, Charles has been posting many threads to expound on the science and to confront the culture-war related dismissal of that science.

I know LGF is vehemently against the denial of global warming. I'm just not sure which set of global warming/climate change data LGF support is all.

368 gregb  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:06:59am

Go go Angels!

369 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:07:01am

re: #355 sattv4u2

Link not opening

England is denying Benny Hinn acess into the country?
On what grounds?

He fucked up his visa paperwork.

370 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #366 Semper Fi

The Classic Movie Channel.

Also, that's 1100 Pacific.

371 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:08:21am

re: #360 albusteve

Benny Hinn

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

One of the biggest frauds out there. His "healings" are nothing more than tricks.

So now he's calling the healed to verify, and according to him they're saying 'Why are you questioning that I was lying up there?' In other words, they were lying. Why would he question that, indeed?

372 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:09:38am

re: #367 lazardo

There isn't really a conflict... science by its nature is the process of sorting through data and keeping the best... and then re-asking the next series of question, gathering new data, sort again... then re-ask the next series of questions, etc., etc., etc. It is a never ending process.

373 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:09:59am

re: #369 SixDegrees

He fucked up his visa paperwork.

In that case I have no problem with it, but the headline is misleading, imho.
((makes it look as if he ws denied for being an undisreable, or am I reading too much into it?))

374 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:11:19am

re: #372 freetoken

Uh...huh. o_O I was actually under the impression that LGF supports general global warming theory but doesn't quite like that Al Gore also supports it.

375 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:11:40am

re: #371 Cato the Elder

One of the biggest frauds out there. His "healings" are nothing more than tricks.

So now he's calling the healed to verify, and according to him they're saying 'Why are you questioning that I was lying up there?' In other words, they were lying. Why would he question that, indeed?

he should consider moving his money offshore and buy a boat...his schtick may be unravelling

376 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:11:57am

re: #374 lazardo

Uh...huh. o_O I was actually under the impression that LGF supports general global warming theory but doesn't quite like that Al Gore also supports it.

"LGF" is not a monolith.

377 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:12:49am

re: #376 Cato the Elder

"LGF" is not a monolith.

I thought it is a blog.

378 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:12:50am

re: #367 lazardo

I know LGF is vehemently against the denial of global warming. I'm just not sure which set of global warming/climate change data LGF support is all.

Is there a reason why you're asking?

379 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:12:58am

re: #375 albusteve

he should consider moving his money offshore and buy a boat...his schtick may be unravelling

Maybe $cientology's "Sea Org" can sell him a used cruiser. He'll have to provide his own girls in hot pants, though.

380 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:13:16am

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Of course not, especially when it comes to political views. When it comes to the science though we're generally on the same boat.

381 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:13:21am

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

I thought it is a blog.

It's not a blogolith, though.

382 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:14:33am

re: #378 Irish Rose

Is there a reason why you're asking?

Partially out of boredom, and mainly because I've seen a lot of threads debunking global warming denial. Of course, the often anti-environmentalist stances of some here have left me a bit confused and I just want to clarify.

383 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:14:39am

re: #376 Cato the Elder

"LGF" is not a monolith.

No, it's a rag tag band of intarwebs pirates.

384 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:14:47am

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

I thought it is a blog.

A cranberry blog?

385 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:14:50am

re: #378 Irish Rose

Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

386 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:14:56am

re: #379 Cato the Elder

Maybe $cientology's "Sea Org" can sell him a used cruiser. He'll have to provide his own girls in hot pants, though.

ha!..good 'ol Benny...everybody's favorite miracle worker

387 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:15:21am

re: #381 Cato the Elder

It's not a blogolith, though.

No, it's not, and it' important to say it's not. Some jerks on other blogs think it is but they're entirely wrong.

388 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:16:35am

re: #371 Cato the Elder

One of the biggest frauds out there. His "healings" are nothing more than tricks.

So now he's calling the healed to verify, and according to him they're saying 'Why are you questioning that I was lying up there?' In other words, they were lying. Why would he question that, indeed?

I'm sure of a few things...
In the course of human events I believe God has performed miracles on this Earth..
I also know that He will not perform miracles through an egotistical Minister Living in a Castle driving a 70,000 dollar car screaming Amen! Hallelujah Jesus!
This I know

389 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:18:26am

re: #386 albusteve

ha!..good 'ol Benny...everybody's favorite miracle worker

Anne Bancroft?
[Link: www.imdb.com...]

390 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:18:34am

re: #379 Cato the Elder

Maybe $cientology's "Sea Org" can sell him a used cruiser. He'll have to provide his own girls in hot pants, though.

I bet there is not too many Lizards here who will know what your reference it to... clever.

391 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:18:55am

We better not have a Benny Hinn flounce. Please, no.

392 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:19:42am

re: #391 BigPapa

There would be a certain novelty to it, though.

393 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:19:46am

re: #373 sattv4u2

In that case I have no problem with it, but the headline is misleading, imho.
((makes it look as if he ws denied for being an undisreable, or am I reading too much into it?))

I got the same impression from both the headline and the article. Other sites get right to the point - he screwed up his paperwork, and wasn't allowed to deplane as a result.

This is the sort of misinformation Malkin, Beck and company love to run with. I fully expect to hear that Hinn was fired upon for having a Bible in his possession shortly.

394 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:20:02am

I don't speak for Charles and I could be wrong.

I think that he acknowledges that industrialization is having a negative impact on the environment, but I don't think that he buys into Algores' Carbon Credit crapola. My take, anyway.

395 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:21:03am

re: #394 Irish Rose

I don't speak for Charles and I could be wrong.

I think that he acknowledges that industrialization is having a negative impact on the environment, but I don't think that he buys into Algores' Carbon Credit crapola. My take, anyway.

I agree with your take on the matter.

396 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:21:08am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

I bet there is not too many Lizards here who will know what your reference it to... clever.

I do.

397 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:21:15am

re: #388 HoosierHoops

I'm sure of a few things...
In the course of human events I believe God has performed miracles on this Earth..
I also know that He will not perform miracles through an egotistical Minister Living in a Castle driving a 70,000 dollar car screaming Amen! Hallelujah Jesus!
This I know

Well, we can at least hope that someday, in the middle of one of Hinn's sermons, we get to see the giant hand come down and gnat-flick him into the parking lot.

398 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #396 Irish Rose

I do.

Yes, I remember you mentioning so $cientolgy stuff here. You are one of the "not too many."

399 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:22:22am

re: #388 HoosierHoops

I'm sure of a few things...
In the course of human events I believe God has performed miracles on this Earth..
I also know that He will not perform miracles through an egotistical Minister Living in a Castle driving a 70,000 dollar car screaming Amen! Hallelujah Jesus!
This I know

I know we're lucky to all just have a sentient existence, however limited and futile it may ultimately be. I think we all just want to die happy.

400 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:22:27am

You mean you can accept that maybe humans had something to do with warming but not have an Al Gore poster in your bedroom?

Yes, that sums it up nicely.

401 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:22:50am

re: #394 Irish Rose

Yeah, that's about it. Thanks.

402 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:22:52am

the Prosperous Pastor...here's an example of how it works

[Link: www.rickross.com...]

403 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:23:06am

re: #388 HoosierHoops

I'm sure of a few things...
In the course of human events I believe God has performed miracles on this Earth..
I also know that He will not perform miracles through an egotistical Minister Living in a Castle driving a 70,000 dollar car screaming Amen! Hallelujah Jesus!
This I know

Prosperity Gospel, gotta love it.
Or not.

404 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:23:12am

re: #391 BigPapa

We better not have a Benny Hinn flounce. Please, no.

Oh, Gawd. Someone will come and puff on us, and we'll all fall over backwards.

405 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:23:38am

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

No, it's not, and it' important to say it's not. Some jerks on other blogs think it is but they're entirely wrong.

Morning Lizards. If you want a echo chamber, check out the stalker site this AM. They are pushing the Ayers story about ghost writing the Omaba books that he's punking the far right with. So far, not one correction to the discredited story.

406 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:24:52am

Here's a story that will make most of us wince ...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I wonder if the man involved will ever be able to get over this ...

407 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:25:11am

re: #405 avanti

Morning Lizards. If you want a echo chamber, check out the stalker site this AM. They are pushing the Ayers story about ghost writing the Omaba books that he's punking the far right with. So far, not one correction to the discredited story.

no...rage begets rage

408 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:26:08am

re: #405 avanti

Morning Lizards. If you want a echo chamber, check out the stalker site this AM. They are pushing the Ayers story about ghost writing the Omaba books that he's punking the far right with. So far, not one correction to the discredited story.

Why bother telling the truth when a lie will suffice?
Red meat... they live for it.

409 Danny  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:26:39am

re: #406 _RememberTonyC

Horrible.

410 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:27:22am

re: #406 _RememberTonyC

Here's a story that will make most of us wince ...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I wonder if the man involved will ever be able to get over this ...

No, he won't. Unimaginably horrifying.

411 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:27:39am

re: #406 _RememberTonyC

Here's a story that will make most of us wince ...

Police: Fla. Man Kills Fiancee on Eve of Wedding

I wonder if the man involved will ever be able to get over this ...

In death, parting...

[sunglasses]

...is not such a sweet sorrow after all.

/YYYEEEAAAHHH

412 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:27:57am

re: #406 _RememberTonyC

Here's a story that will make most of us wince ...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I wonder if the man involved will ever be able to get over this ...

This is why my home defense gun is in a button-operated safe under the bedside table. I can access it quickly enough, but I have to be awake to do it.

What do you bet the guy was sleeping off a few too many?

413 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:29:12am

re: #412 Cato the Elder

This is why my home defense gun is in a button-operated safe under the bedside table. I can access it quickly enough, but I have to be awake to do it.

What do you bet the guy was sleeping off a few too many?

very likely ...

414 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:33:21am

Where'd everybody go?

415 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:33:56am

re: #414 Cato the Elder

Where'd everybody go?

To the Roxbury.

416 Irish Rose  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:34:17am

Gotta run, have a great day everyone!

417 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:34:56am

Update...

14 degrees of global warming here at 8200 feet, snow flurries, slight dusting of snow on ground... brrr...

418 albusteve  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:35:18am

re: #414 Cato the Elder

Where'd everybody go?

everybody's gone surfing

419 Cato the Elder  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:36:55am

re: #418 albusteve

everybody's gone surfing

Well in that case I'm going to go walk the dog. Someone showed me how.

420 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:38:19am

re: #414 Cato the Elder

Where'd everybody go?

I'm here... playing on the internet... space heater next to me (this big house at 8200 feet is always a little chilly), 14 degrees out side, Wolfie the husky is in heaven outside, love the dusting of snow and bone cold temps, one step-kid-critter went to a Harry Potter trivia event, andothe ste-kid-critter doing homework, breakfast cooking, two cats curled up on beds...

Going to work at the theatre later this afternoon, show must go on.

You?

421 lazardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:38:35am

re: #418 albusteve

everybody's gone surfing

Good times!

422 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:38:50am

re: #16 Summersong

Does anyone know why seagulls do that swirl in a whirlpool group thing a few times a day? And, is there a real name for the behavior?

I have no flocking clue.

423 What, me worry?  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:39:34am

re: #419 Cato the Elder

Well in that case I'm going to go walk the dog. Someone showed me how.

Yaaa...

424 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:40:06am

re: #16 Summersong

Does anyone know why seagulls do that swirl in a whirlpool group thing a few times a day? And, is there a real name for the behavior?

Interpretive areobatics.

425 Semper Fi  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:45:17am

I'm alone. Somebody must have scored.

Later

426 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:45:22am

re: #399 lazardo

I know we're lucky to all just have a sentient existence, however limited and futile it may ultimately be. I think we all just want to die happy.


I don't think anyone dies Happy
We must live happy...Live life to the fullest..
After all..If you live in a rut.. It is nothing more than a grave with both ends kicked out..
That is a rut

427 Bear  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:46:36am

Good Morning.

Nice pict Charles. Keep em' coming please.

Thursday coming down on the Ferry there were numerous whale spouts. Capt said both killer whale and humpback. Unfortunately they were too far for any pictures.

428 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:47:43am

re: #16 Summersong

Does anyone know why seagulls do that swirl in a whirlpool group thing a few times a day? And, is there a real name for the behavior?

" Wintertime observations of mesoscale cellular convection (MCC) over the East China Sea have resulted in criteria that have a remarkable similarity to those reported by Woodcock (1975) in the study of thermals and gull flight behavior. It has been determined that the surface wind speed (V) and the air-sea temperature difference (deltaT) prescribe unique and compatible conditions for both the occurrence of MCC and soaring by sea gulls. Specifically, the onset of MCC when V is between 5 and 9 m s–1 is inversely proportional to deltaT in the range 5 to 7 °C. Elsewhere, the onset of MCC occurs under conditions of direct proportionality between V and deltaT. Necessary conditions for the occurrence of MCC due to heating from below are deltaT ges 5 °C and V ges 5 m s–1. The boundaries of the convective regime for MCC are discussed and interpreted in accordance with the regime for sea-gull soaring and similarity concepts."

429 laZardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:50:04am

re: #426 HoosierHoops

Well, if we can look back on a happy life then we can die "finished."

430 laZardo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:52:01am

Speaking of which, gonna work on my thesis to complete my day. Cheers.

431 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:52:37am

i think Ironman is starting. I can hear the bullhorn announcement.

432 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:52:38am

re: #430 laZardo

Speaking of which, gonna work on my thesis to complete my day. Cheers.

Be well.. It's always nice chatting with you

433 freetoken  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:52:41am

re: #430 laZardo

Stay safe, and dry!

434 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 8:58:00am

Just posted in the spinoffs --

This is, in a sense, VERY good news -- the unmistakable "declaration of war" will draw a furious response from the Army.

Gunmen hold up to 15 hostages in Pakistan army HQ
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan – Heavily armed militants were holding between 10 and 15 soldiers hostage inside army headquarters Saturday after they attacked the complex in an audacious assault on Pakistan's most powerful institution.

435 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:00:48am

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just posted in the spinoffs --

This is, in a sense, VERY good news -- the unmistakable "declaration of war" will draw a furious response from the Army.

Gunmen hold up to 15 hostages in Pakistan army HQ
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan – Heavily armed militants were holding between 10 and 15 soldiers hostage inside army headquarters Saturday after they attacked the complex in an audacious assault on Pakistan's most powerful institution.

More from Long War Journal

436 Wishbone  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:03:18am

re: #321 John Neverbend

...but I also can do a Birmingham and Scouse accent.

North- or South-end Scouse? Or the 'Sock Robber, Kidder-La' Scouse from Kirkby. The Bastardised Half WoollyBack Scouse of Skelmersdale, or that ponsy shite they call Scouse (but only when they're abroad and no one knows better) over on the Wirral?

Only Harry Enfield knows.

;)

437 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:06:04am

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just posted in the spinoffs --

This is, in a sense, VERY good news -- the unmistakable "declaration of war" will draw a furious response from the Army.

Gunmen hold up to 15 hostages in Pakistan army HQ
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan – Heavily armed militants were holding between 10 and 15 soldiers hostage inside army headquarters Saturday after they attacked the complex in an audacious assault on Pakistan's most powerful institution.

Well, its good to know that Pakistan still can understand who its enemies are. Obama would answer an attack like this with "Unclench your fist."

438 SixDegrees  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:07:41am

Gawd - the paste-eaters are still at it in the Matisse/Thomas thread. "Wall, it don't look like no art ta me, and I's done colored a lot with crayons when I cud kept 'em from breakin', so I's a art expert! Hyuk, hyuk."

I need to go shower for a while.

439 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My concern is whenever the Pakistani Army finds itself in such a place, how many of them are really loyal to the country as opposed to being loyal to the "militants"

440 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:08:44am

re: #436 Wishbone

North- or South-end Scouse? Or the 'Sock Robber, Kidder-La' Scouse from Kirkby. The Bastardised Half WoollyBack Scouse of Skelmersdale, or that ponsy shite they call Scouse (but only when they're abroad and no one knows better) over on the Wirral?

Only Harry Enfield knows.

;)

Automatic upding for Enfield, always!

441 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:10:11am

re: #439 sattv4u2

My concern is whenever the Pakistani Army finds itself in such a place, how many of them are really loyal to the country as opposed to being loyal to the "militants"

That's a problem, but one that can be handled by good counter-inltel and prompt executions.

442 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:12:06am

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

Well, its good to know that Pakistan still can understand who its enemies are. Obama would answer an attack like this with "Unclench your fist."

IMHO, given the direction events seem to be taking, this attack might (might) be the "beginning of the end" of the Taliban using the FATA with impunity. We can always hope.

443 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:12:45am

re: #439 sattv4u2

My concern is whenever the Pakistani Army finds itself in such a place, how many of them are really loyal to the country as opposed to being loyal to the "militants"

Good question.

444 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:12:51am

re: #434 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just posted in the spinoffs --

This is, in a sense, VERY good news -- the unmistakable "declaration of war" will draw a furious response from the Army.

Gunmen hold up to 15 hostages in Pakistan army HQ
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan – Heavily armed militants were holding between 10 and 15 soldiers hostage inside army headquarters Saturday after they attacked the complex in an audacious assault on Pakistan's most powerful institution.

Again with the "militants" and "gunmen". They are TERRORISTS.

445 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:14:35am

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

Well, its good to know that Pakistan still can understand who its enemies are. Obama would answer an attack like this with "Unclench your fist."

Dark, you know I like you, but you have no idea how the POTUS would reply. We tend to color our perceptions, just like some did during the Somalia pirate attack, and can be surprised.

446 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:14:36am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

That's a problem, but one that can be handled by good counter-inltel and prompt executions.

IMHO, not so. The problem lies in the ethnic rivalries which simmer in today's Pakistan.

447 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:15:39am

#439 sattv4u2
Good morning
Agreed!
I do not think Pakistan can beat these guys. Too many sympathizer/allies in the population, and a ready hiding place in the mountains. Its the classic "slippery grape". The correct tactical answer is hammer and anvil. The Pakistanis are buying drones. With their intel service compromised will the Italian made drones be targeting our forces for the Taliban? re:

448 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:16:17am

re: #444 MandyManners

Again with the "militants" and "gunmen". They are TERRORISTS.

"By ... Associated Press Writer"

Consider the source.

449 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:18:37am

re: #448 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"By ... Associated Press Writer"

Consider the source.

A-yup.

450 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:19:52am

re: #446 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IMHO, not so. The problem lies in the ethnic rivalries which simmer in today's Pakistan.

That's the underlying problem. Counter intel can produce forces loyal enough to destroy the terrorists, thus allowing the ethnic issues to be resolved, though they probably won't be.

451 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:20:00am

re: #444 MandyManners

Again with the "militants" and "gunmen". They are TERRORISTS.

September 11 was an incident.

452 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:20:49am

re: #448 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AP has a case of PC Reuters virus. Its hard to win a conflict when you stay busy fighting over the appropriate terms for the bad guys. Hey if AP had bexisted in WW2 would the Nazis have been German Patriotic Forces?

453 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:21:08am

re: #447 rightwingconspirator

#439 sattv4u2
Good morning
Agreed!
I do not think Pakistan can beat these guys. Too many sympathizer/allies in the population, and a ready hiding place in the mountains. Its the classic "slippery grape". The correct tactical answer is hammer and anvil. The Pakistanis are buying drones. With their intel service compromised will the Italian made drones be targeting our forces for the Taliban?

Pardon, but you're thinking "military", and for Pakistan, this isn't merely a military problem.

Actually, though, the problem gets worse for Pakistan when you consider the other elements. What makes this event good news is that it could solidify the Army's resolve. The Army is the only force in Pakistan which might be able to deal with it, BECAUSE the Army has used other means beside "military" in the past.

454 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:21:48am

re: #445 avanti

Dark, you know I like you, but you have no idea how the POTUS would reply. We tend to color our perceptions, just like some did during the Somalia pirate attack, and can be surprised.

Actually, we may already know. How many months has he been sitting on the Afghan decision?
The pirate situation is not analogous for a number of reasons

A) it was a RIGHT NOW problem
B) it was very small in scope
C) the pirates weren't trying to take over a country, rather hold hostage for cash

455 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:24:02am

re: #451 debutaunt

September 11 was an incident.

What's the new phrase--a human-caused tragedy?

456 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:24:38am

re: #455 MandyManners

What's the new phrase--a human-caused tragedy?

Aviation SNAFU?

457 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:25:01am

re: #453 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, but sadly proportionate to the Pak Armies loyalties.

458 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #454 sattv4u2

Actually, we may already know. How many months has he been sitting on the Afghan decision?
The pirate situation is not analogous for a number of reasons

A) it was a RIGHT NOW problem
B) it was very small in scope
C) the pirates weren't trying to take over a country, rather hold hostage for cash

Quite Concur. Barack Obama has shown no will to deal with complex problems like this. All he does is talk.

459 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:25:53am

re: #426 HoosierHoops

Some people die happy.

Don Bosco's last words were

"Arriverdici in Paradiso"

See you in Paradise

460 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:26:59am

re: #454 sattv4u2

Actually, we may already know. How many months has he been sitting on the Afghan decision?
The pirate situation is not analogous for a number of reasons

A) it was a RIGHT NOW problem
B) it was very small in scope
C) the pirates weren't trying to take over a country, rather hold hostage for cash

D) The pirates weren't trying to get a major Hollywood motion picture deal.

461 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:27:07am

re: #452 rightwingconspirator

AP has a case of PC Reuters virus. Its hard to win a conflict when you stay busy fighting over the appropriate terms for the bad guys. Hey if AP had bexisted in WW2 would the Nazis have been German Patriotic Forces?

Depends on when the Nazis parted ways with the Soviets.

462 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:27:40am

re: #456 Sharmuta

Aviation SNAFU?

A cultural misunderstanding?

463 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:28:10am

re: #455 MandyManners

What's the new phrase--a human-caused tragedy?

On September 11, I switched from CNN coverage to Fox, based on CNN calling it suicide and Fox calling it homicide.

464 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:28:33am

re: #458 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Barack Obama has shown no will to deal with complex problems like this. All he does is talk.

Not totally

I gave him major props for the pirate incident. I also commend him for immediately stating that he'll give his Peace Prize award money to charity (2 caveats,, I reserve the right to rescind once the 'charity' is revealed,, and MAJOR props for in one fell swoop already giving more to charity than his VP has given cumulatively in a long long long long time)

465 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:29:42am

"bar" just posted Charles' contact info over at The Deuce. Expect those jerks to aim a blizzard of hate mail at us today. Don't they have something better to do?

466 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:30:10am

re: #463 debutaunt

On September 11, I switched from CNN coverage to Fox, based on CNN calling it suicide and Fox calling it homicide.

Yeah, I remember the distinction. Stuck in my craw, too, and I switched.

467 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:30:56am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

"bar" just posted Charles' contact info over at The Deuce. Expect those jerks to aim a blizzard of hate mail at us today. Don't they have something better to do?

Magic 8-ball just laughs at that question.

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:31:25am

Sitting in traffic. This is cool.

469 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #464 sattv4u2

Not totally

I gave him major props for the pirate incident. I also commend him for immediately stating that he'll give his Peace Prize award money to charity (2 caveats,, I reserve the right to rescind once the 'charity' is revealed,, and MAJOR props for in one fell swoop already giving more to charity than his VP has given cumulatively in a long long long long time)

Joe Biden the career politician? HUGE part of the problem, imho.

470 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:31:43am

re: #466 MandyManners

Yeah, I remember the distinction. Stuck in my craw, too, and I switched.

Well... now Fox is mainstreaming Bircher ideology. I quit watching all TV news 3 years ago, and I don't miss it.

471 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:32:55am

re: #454 sattv4u2

Actually, we may already know. How many months has he been sitting on the Afghan decision?
The pirate situation is not analogous for a number of reasons

A) it was a RIGHT NOW problem
B) it was very small in scope
C) the pirates weren't trying to take over a country, rather hold hostage for cash

He has not been sitting on anything for months. He just got the formal request last Thursday, after asking for it before it had been even reviewed further down the chain.
The whole military plan in Afghanistan is being evaluated by the military and Gates before just rubber stamping a request. Crystal asked for the troops by years end, and he'll get some increase, but probably not 40K. Don't forget, Obama did send 20,000 more and ramp up drone attacks early on.
He's held two or three meetings so far with our best and brightest and I'd rather do that then make a policy mistake that might cost unnecessary casualties.

472 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:33:05am

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sitting in traffic. This is cool.

We don't have traffic in Indiana..Everybody just drives faster..
Must be the DNA

473 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:33:08am

re: #470 Sharmuta

Well... now Fox is mainstreaming Bircher ideology. I quit watching all TV news 3 years ago, and I don't miss it.

I am also asking myself a big wtf is up with that.

474 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:34:01am

re: #470 Sharmuta

Well... now Fox is mainstreaming Bircher ideology. I quit watching all TV news 3 years ago, and I don't miss it.

Where do you get your news now, may I ask?

475 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:34:41am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

"bar" just posted Charles' contact info over at The Deuce. Expect those jerks to aim a blizzard of hate mail at us today. Don't they have something better to do?

As in personal contact info or virtual contact info?

476 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:34:50am

re: #470 Sharmuta

Well... now Fox is mainstreaming Bircher ideology. I quit watching all TV news 3 years ago, and I don't miss it.

I gave up in the past year. No channel provides decent news coverage, but on 9/11, the spin was infuriating.

477 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:36:46am

re: #473 Taqyia2Me

I am also asking myself a big wtf is up with that.

Well- I posted this the other day, but I think it bears repeating.

Right-wing Think Tanks

It is a telling marker of the ideological cohesiveness and extremism of this core group of philanthropies that three of the five founding members, Joseph Coors, David Koch and Harry Bradley, were members and financial supporters of the John Birch Society. The Scaife foundations, headed by Richard Mellon Scaife, are also involved, albeit in less direct ways.

In the past 20 years this core group of funders has, by many reports, built and strategically linked an impressive array of almost 500 think tanks, centers, institutes and "concerned citizens groups" both within and outside of the academy. It is particularly telling to observe the funding sources of these organizations during the first 10-15 years of their existence, when their ideological identities were being established. A small sampling of these entities include the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Manhattan Institute, the Hoover Institution, the Claremont Institute, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, Middle East Forum, Accuracy in Media, and the National Association of Scholars, as well as Horowitz's Center of the Study of Popular Culture.

As for where I get my news- I'm strictly an internet news girl now.

478 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:37:24am

re: #470 Sharmuta

Well... now Fox is mainstreaming Bircher ideology. I quit watching all TV news 3 years ago, and I don't miss it.

I watch Fox & Friends in the mornings and I don't see it then at all.

479 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:39:07am

re: #458 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Barack Obama has shown no will to deal with complex problems like this. All he does is talk.

When dealing with complex problems, talking before acting makes sense. We made the mistake of mismanaging the Vietnam war by just sending more troops into the meat grinder without a plan to win.
Why rubber stamp a troop request without planning ? The lives of our brave young men and women deserve the best plan. Look how long we screwed up in Iraq until Petrasus came up with the right plan.

480 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:39:14am

re: #457 rightwingconspirator

Yes, but sadly proportionate to the Pak Armies loyalties.

Truer than you might realize. The Pak Army is composed of enthic-based "Regiments", the battalions of which are spread out among the operational commands -- Balouch, Punjab, Frontier Force (aka Pathan/Pashtun) ...

481 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:40:09am

re: #476 debutaunt

I gave up in the past year. No channel provides decent news coverage, but on 9/11, the spin was infuriating.

We had a TV on in the office that day. I'll never forget Katie Couric asking somebody (can't remember who it was) "Would you say this happened because of the policies of the Bush Administration?"

482 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:40:11am

re: #478 MandyManners

I watch Fox & Friends in the mornings and I don't see it then at all.

I watch Fox on Sunday morning to see Liz Trotta.

483 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:40:57am

Anybody ever watch Redeye?

484 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:41:03am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

As in personal contact info or virtual contact info?

virtual. The contact forms and email addresses. He wouldn't be allowed to post Charles physical contact info. The admins over there don't allow that currently: Rodan having been outed by Reginald Perrin, Rodan has subsequently learned a lesson about outing people.

485 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:41:09am

bbl

486 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:41:37am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

As in personal contact info or virtual contact info?

It's the contact info for LGF's hosting company. They want to get people to complain about LGF so the host shuts down service.

487 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:42:40am

re: #479 avanti

When dealing with complex problems, talking before acting makes sense. We made the mistake of mismanaging the Vietnam war by just sending more troops into the meat grinder without a plan to win.
Why rubber stamp a troop request without planning ? The lives of our brave young men and women deserve the best plan. Look how long we screwed up in Iraq until Petrasus came up with the right plan.

The problem is that he's had the issue in play for weeks. The time for talking has passed. His inaction is driving down morale and will get our soldiers killed.

488 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:42:41am

re: #486 Sharmuta

It's the contact info for LGF's hosting company. They want to get people to complain about LGF so the host shuts down service.

Free speech for some, but not all?

489 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #486 Sharmuta

It's the contact info for LGF's hosting company. They want to get people to complain about LGF so the host shuts down service.

Fat chance. Thanks.

490 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:44:06am

re: #479 avanti

When dealing with complex problems, talking before acting makes sense. We made the mistake of mismanaging the Vietnam war by just sending more troops into the meat grinder without a plan to win.
Why rubber stamp a troop request without planning ? The lives of our brave young men and women deserve the best plan. Look how long we screwed up in Iraq until Petrasus came up with the right plan.

He;s been talking about Afghanastan for over a YEAR. He ran on the issue, it being the 'right war" while Iraq was the wrong one

491 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:44:30am

re: #488 debutaunt

Free speech for some, but not all?

They're mad they have to abide be any Terms of Service. They've violated them in the past, and got yanked until they deleted the offending content. I guess they think turn-about is fair play. Problem is, I don't believe Charles has violated any of his Terms of Service. They're welcome to waste their time, however.

492 BryanS  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:44:53am

re: #479 avanti

When dealing with complex problems, talking before acting makes sense. We made the mistake of mismanaging the Vietnam war by just sending more troops into the meat grinder without a plan to win.
Why rubber stamp a troop request without planning ? The lives of our brave young men and women deserve the best plan. Look how long we screwed up in Iraq until Petrasus came up with the right plan.

Hopefully planning is what is being done and not capricious opposition to a troop request just for the sake of opposing it. The last thing we need is a slow drip with no plan to win.

493 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:45:20am

re: #492 BryanS

Hopefully planning is what is being done and not capricious opposition to a troop request just for the sake of opposing it. The last thing we need is a slow drip with no plan to win.

Quite Concur.

494 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:45:53am

re: #491 Sharmuta

They're mad they have to abide be any Terms of Service. They've violated them in the past, and got yanked until they deleted the offending content. I guess they think turn-about is fair play. Problem is, I don't believe Charles has violated any of his Terms of Service. They're welcome to waste their time, however.

It's a bizarre derangement at work.

495 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:46:31am

Gotta go eat and then get to work. Stay strong, all!

496 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:46:38am

Just watched the O'Reilly-Dawkins interview last night. My opinion is that O'Reilly staged this as a hit piece against atheists. Dawkins' atheism was a red herring for O'Reilly.

If Charles Manson said, "I don't think we should teach religion in a science class..." I agree with Manson.

...since, people were dying to hear rwmofo's opinion.

497 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:47:29am

re: #496 rwmofo

Just watched the O'Reilly-Dawkins interview last night. My opinion is that O'Reilly staged this as a hit piece against atheists. Dawkins' atheism was a red herring for O'Reilly.

If Charles Manson said, "I don't think we should teach religion in a science class..." I agree with Manson.

...since, people were dying to hear rwmofo's opinion.

Keep talking! I'm taking notes!

498 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:48:31am

re: #479 avanti

AND ,,, your timeline is off. McChrystal has been saying he needs more troops since day 1 there. The "formal request" was sent up the chain of command in September, not 2 days ago

Knowing that McChrystal would be asking for more tropps, the "talks" should have started way before the formal request was submitted

As a matter of fact, ALL contingencies should have ongoing talks, not just when a "formal request" is presented

499 Digital Display  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:48:33am

re: #479 avant

When dealing with complex problems, talking before acting makes sense. We made the mistake of mismanaging the Vietnam war by just sending more troops into the meat grinder without a plan to win.
Why rubber stamp a troop request without planning ? The lives of our brave young men and women deserve the best plan. Look how long we screwed up in Iraq until Pterosaurs came up with the right plan.

Sure..It is a very complex issue when you are elected to office in the middle of 2 wars... So for the last 9 months do you think Obama has been trying to shove his leftist policies down our throats in a hallelujah chorus.. or has he been thoughtfully planning our war effort?
2 wars..or 30 million without health care and cap and trade issues..
You call it..What is the priority here?

500 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:48:50am

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that he's had the issue in play for weeks. The time for talking has passed. His inaction is driving down morale and will get our soldiers killed.

He has not had the issue for weeks, yesterday was the first time troop levels were officially discussed. Bits of the request were leaked to the press before it was passed up the chain. Here's a story on the complex issues being considered.
link.

501 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:49:23am

re: #497 debutaunt

Keep talking! I'm taking notes!

Heh. Let me get back to you. I keep trying to think, but nothing happens.

502 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:49:41am

re: #500 avanti

He has not had the issue for weeks, yesterday was the first time troop levels were officially discussed. Bits of the request were leaked to the press before it was passed up the chain. Here's a story on the complex issues being considered.
link.

WRONG

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

503 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:50:23am

re: #492 BryanS

Hopefully planning is what is being done and not capricious opposition to a troop request just for the sake of opposing it. The last thing we need is a slow drip with no plan to win.

I agree, but careful planning seems to be the issue.

504 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #499 HoosierHoops

Sure..It is a very complex issue when you are elected to office in the middle of 2 wars... So for the last 9 months do you think Obama has been trying to shove his leftist policies down our throats in a hallelujah chorus.. or has he been thoughtfully planning our war effort?
2 wars..or 30 million without health care and cap and trade issues..
You call it..What is the priority here?

Well, almost all of those 30 million can walk into an emergency room, which in most cases offers some sort of back up.

Pointing a rifle at an enemy while you are lacking in personal to watch your back is suicide.

505 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:50:39am

re: #494 debutaunt

It's a bizarre derangement at work.

It really truly is. They can't just move on to the next stage in their life, they simply must, must obsess about how LGF used to be and how much worse it is without them.

Truth is- LGF is better without them, they know it, and their egos can't handle it. LGF has the audacity to keep rolling along without them. How rude.

506 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #505 Sharmuta

I'm lloking forward to the spinoffs getting better now that we've jettisoned the Glenn Beck fans. I gave up on the spinoffs a while back because it was filled with conspiracy theories every morning.

507 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:52:45am

re: #491 Sharmuta

They're mad they have to abide be any Terms of Service. They've violated them in the past, and got yanked until they deleted the offending content. I guess they think turn-about is fair play. Problem is, I don't believe Charles has violated any of his Terms of Service. They're welcome to waste their time, however.

Bingo. Not going to happen.

But a flood of unsubstantiated bullshit complaints coming in to Charles webhost will provide excellent supporting documentation that he's being stalked and harassed.

508 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:53:24am

I'm watching the History Channel's bit about terrorism on the high seas and the chance that a container ship will go "blooey" in one of our harbors.

Good fucking morning.

509 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:54:44am

re: #477 Sharmuta

Whoa spell check almost made you Shamus instead of Sharmuta. Oh man that was close! Maybe Charles or one of his people can add your name to the spelling checker? I added you to mine.

As long as you apply the usual common sense filters, check around a little... Think tanks can be trusted to look out for their interest. CATO/Heritage taxation etc. Remember CATO did the ultra classy full page disagreements wit 2 of our Presidents major contentions? Even if you attack their point (one was a bunch of degreed guys who were anti AGW) the way they did it was excellent. A polite paragraph or two, and a list of credentials signatures in agreement. Heritage has great tax data & charts.

Neither should be sole source for the thinking person, and of course some lefty sites do the same for their prov. "Follow the money" is good, but not the only answer. I pose another filter besides the funding-The more shrill the less reliable.

510 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:55:36am

re: #508 MandyManners

I'm watching the History Channel's bit about terrorism on the high seas and the chance that a container ship will go "blooey" in one of our harbors.

Good fucking morning.

You light up my life...

511 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:56:08am

re: #506 Killgore Trout

I'm lloking forward to the spinoffs getting better now that we've jettisoned the Glenn Beck fans. I gave up on the spinoffs a while back because it was filled with conspiracy theories every morning.

What kind of change was made? The reason I ask is I missed something last night hat Charles apparently had to clean up in the spinoff links. There were links to people abusing the tool, but if I clicked on the link it just re-directed back to the front page.

512 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:57:11am

re: #502 sattv4u2

WRONG

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I know the report was presented to Gates a few weeks back, but Petraus and Gates are just now getting it to the POTUS. The POTUS needs to hear from everyone up the chain and not micro manage a war without some expert advice.
If Obama did that, he'd be sending troops into harms way just based on less than the best advice. ioinionisut without

513 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:03am

re: #510 debutaunt

You light up my life...

I'm a Boone to your existence?

514 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:16am

re: #508 MandyManners

I'm watching the History Channel's bit about terrorism on the high seas and the chance that a container ship will go "blooey" in one of our harbors.

Good fucking morning.

Whataya worried about. You live in the "middle"

Me, on the other hand, I have family and freinds still in Boston and a place on the South Carolina coast near Charleston!

515 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:37am

re: #508 MandyManners

History and NatGeo are getting quite hysterical. Every disaster needs high tech special effects video. Rating Bait!

Slapped em with your F bomb!

516 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:40am

re: #513 MandyManners

I'm a Boone to your existence?

That's such a pat answer.

517 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #512 avanti

I know the report was presented to Gates a few weeks back, but Petraus and Gates are just now getting it to the POTUS. The POTUS needs to hear from everyone up the chain and not micro manage a war without some expert advice.
If Obama did that, he'd be sending troops into harms way just based on less than the best advice. ioinionisut without

Gates got it in AUGUST.

518 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:53am

re: #508 MandyManners

I'm watching the History Channel's bit about terrorism on the high seas and the chance that a container ship will go "blooey" in one of our harbors.

Good fucking morning.

Hey mandy!
I noticed on the art thread you'd linked Hieronymous' Bosch's "Garden of Earthly Delights" -- I love that painting too. I answered you and left links to some other things I think you might like too.
(It's not much more cheerful than your history channel show, I'm afraid, but at least it's a distraction)

519 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:58:58am

re: #509 Rightwingconspirator

I don't read much opinion pieces much anymore. When I do, I tend to lean on independent writers like David Frum. Connections to these 5 foundations keeps you off my list. I don't trust them anymore.

And it's not just ties to Birchers- some of these foundations have ties to Dominionists.

520 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:59:24am

re: #513 MandyManners

hahahahhahahahahaaa

521 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #514 sattv4u2

Whataya worried about. You live in the "middle"

Me, on the other hand, I have family and freinds still in Boston and a place on the South Carolina coast near Charleston!

I might live in a fly-over state but, as you note, millions of my felow Americans don't. What affects them, affects me.

522 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:59:48am

30 arrests at anti-Islam protest in Birmingham


At least 30 people were arrested when a group demonstrating against Islamic fundamentalism clashed with anti-racism protesters in Britain on Saturday, police said.

Trouble flared as supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) and hundreds of activists from the Unite Against Facism movement faced off in Manchester, northwest England.

Several hundred police in riot gear separated the EDL protesters, who waved placards saying "No More Mosques in England", from the rival demonstration across a square in the city.

Police said a total of around 2,000 people took part.

A police spokesman said most of the arrests were for public order offences, but no one was injured.

523 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 9:59:54am

re: #512 avanti

Please read 498

524 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:00:23am

re: #521 MandyManners

I might live in a fly-over state but, as you note, millions of my felow Americans don't. What affects them, affects me.

Thats why I luv ya Mands !!

525 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:00:44am

re: #515 Rightwingconspirator

History and NatGeo are getting quite hysterical. Every disaster needs high tech special effects video. Rating Bait!

Slapped em with your F bomb!

The show about what the world would be like without humans gets to me. It's pure fiction.

526 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:01:50am

re: #516 wrenchwench

That's such a pat answer.

Good 'un.

527 Ojoe  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:02:25am

re: #525 MandyManners

The show about what the world would be like without humans gets to me. It's pure fiction.

Piss on that, it is an elitist death wish.

528 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:02:41am

re: #521 MandyManners

I might live in a fly-over state but, as you note, millions of my felow Americans don't. What affects them, affects me.

A hit on the west coast will leave the winds blowing stuff across the country.

529 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:03:01am

re: #521 MandyManners

Yes!!! We are all in the same danger. A soft target hit on a big hotel or shopping area would be just as tragic for the victims.

530 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:03:13am

Gotta' go check The Kid's room to see if he's done anything to it and give him some advice, i.e., a righteous talking-to, if not. bbiab

531 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:04:19am

re: #530 MandyManners

Gotta' go check The Kid's room to see if he's done anything to it and give him some advice, i.e., a righteous talking-to, if not. bbiab

Nag alert... run Kid... run

532 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:05:15am

re: #519 Sharmuta

And it's not just ties to Birchers- some of these foundations have ties to Dominionists.

I'm going to provide links to the religious aspects of some of these foundations "supporting" various "think" tanks-for those interested:

[Link: www.aaupuc.org...]
[Link: www.thefreelibrary.com...]

Birchers and Fundies- spreading their propaganda around, and you don't even know you're reading it!

533 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:05:16am

re: #531 Walter L. Newton

Nag alert... run Kid... run

Out the window and down the tree to freee-dom!

534 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:05:56am

re: #521 MandyManners

I might live in a fly-over state but, as you note, millions of my felow Americans don't. What affects them, affects me.

Attagirl. Mandy's got your 6.

535 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:07:02am

re: #534 rwmofo

Attagirl. Mandy's got your 6.

"Your 6" ? Still taking notes...

536 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:07:55am

re: #535 debutaunt

"Your 6" ? Still taking notes...

She has your back.

537 Reginald Perrin  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

"bar" just posted Charles' contact info over at The Deuce. Expect those jerks to aim a blizzard of hate mail at us today. Don't they have something better to do?

No, if the dunces at the douche didn't have LGF to cry about, they wouldn't have anything to talk about except guns.
Maybe if bar would get motivated and finally get a job, he could get over his 24/7 obsession with Charles.

538 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:10:59am

So the consensus is Heritage and CATO have nothing worthwhile to offer?

539 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:11:16am

Apropos of nothing, "store brand" shredded wheat cereal sucks!

540 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:11:24am

re: #517 MandyManners

Gates got it in AUGUST.

OK, lets agree to disagree. You think the request should have been acted on more quickly, I prefer that Gates and the senior commanders take a extra few weeks if they feel they need it to get it right. We've been there 8 years, and not winning, if a few weeks more gets it right, I'm all for it.

541 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:12:24am

re: #538 Rightwingconspirator

So the consensus is Heritage and CATO have nothing worthwhile to offer?

WTH? No- there is no "consensus" on the point. It's my personal opinion. I'm providing links to explain why it's my opinion. Folks are free to draw their own conclusions.

542 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #540 avanti

OK, lets agree to disagree. You think the request should have been acted on more quickly, I prefer that Gates and the senior commanders take a extra few weeks if they feel they need it to get it right. We've been there 8 years, and not winning, if a few weeks more gets it right, I'm all for it.

Your house is on fire. The fire dept sends one truck. Your the captain on scene and requests more help because the fire has now spread to both your neighbors houses.

Answer comes back that the mayor needs more meetings and will get back to you

543 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:15:27am

CBO says Tort reform will produce 1/2 of a percent in total health care spending.

$54 Billion over 10 years.

That may not sound that much (and liberals are trying to minimize it this morning), but it represents 25% of the costs of Cap and Trade over the same period

544 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:16:03am

re: #540 avanti

I don't know a lot about war, but I suspect that TIMING plays a large role in failure or success.

545 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:16:29am

re: #539 sattv4u2

Apropos of nothing, "store brand" shredded wheat cereal sucks!

You're not supposed to eat that stuff! It's fibrous aggregate for stucco - why they put it in the cereal aisle is more than I know.

546 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:16:56am

re: #541 Sharmuta

Okay just kind of polling about. I consider these sites worth watching if carefully I guess I'm a fan of CATO. Its the Libertarian in me.

547 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:19:27am

re: #538 Rightwingconspirator

I don't trust them.

548 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:19:50am

re: #540 avanti

OK, lets agree to disagree. You think the request should have been acted on more quickly, I prefer that Gates and the senior commanders take a extra few weeks if they feel they need it to get it right. We've been there 8 years, and not winning, if a few weeks more gets it right, I'm all for it.

The crackerjack general appointed by the President to the position was put there because the President thought him likely to do at least as good a job, if not a better job, than his predecessors. So, he's in charge, and he reports, some months back, that the whole thing will fall into hell in unless we increase the troop-levels and shift our focus without losing the gains we've made already. About 60,000 troops would do it, although he could make do with fewer.

Now, what's the hold-up with the President? My theory - he talked a peacenik game throughout the campaign, and doesn't wish to jeopardize liberal activists and lose their support on this whole health care deal.

549 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:19:55am

re: #545 Guanxi88

You're not supposed to eat that stuff! It's fibrous aggregate for stucco - why they put it in the cereal aisle is more than I know.

I know, but I'm at work alone for 12 hours (can't leave due to FCC rules ,, we broadcast via satellite and someone has ro be here 24/7)

I forgot my "breakfast" stuff at home this a.m. Nobody around here delivers (edible) breajfast and I had this as emergency rations

550 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:20:17am

re: #547 Killgore Trout

Fair enough but would you flesh out why? Not fair to you for me to guess.

551 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:20:47am

re: #549 sattv4u2

I know, but I'm at work alone for 12 hours (can't leave due to FCC rules ,, we broadcast via satellite and someone has ro be here 24/7)

I forgot my "breakfast" stuff at home this a.m. Nobody around here delivers (edible) breajfast and I had this as emergency rations

You sure that wasn't the tinder from the firemaking set? You wouldn't be the first guy to make that mistake.

552 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:21:12am

re: #542 sattv4u2

Your house is on fire. The fire dept sends one truck. Your the captain on scene and requests more help because the fire has now spread to both your neighbors houses.

Answer comes back that the mayor needs more meetings and will get back to you

Nope, you've been fighting a fire for 8 years, and it's getting bigger. The Captain wants more firefighters and we've lost many in fighting the fire. It's time to think about all the options to contain the fire than you've been doing.

553 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #548 Guanxi88

BINGO!

554 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:22:58am

re: #549 sattv4u2

I know, but I'm at work alone for 12 hours (can't leave due to FCC rules ,, we broadcast via satellite and someone has ro be here 24/7)

I forgot my "breakfast" stuff at home this a.m. Nobody around here delivers (edible) breajfast and I had this as emergency rations

I take fruit to the office. But I'm middle-aged and well, you know.

555 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:23:03am

re: #552 avanti

Nope, you've been fighting a fire for 8 years, and it's getting bigger. The Captain wants more firefighters and we've lost many in fighting the fire. It's time to think about all the options to contain the fire than you've been doing.

All the while though, the building continues to burn, the firefighters continue to die, and the flames spill over onto neighboring rooftops. Oh, did we forget to mention, there are people in the burning building who are quite likely to die or be injured if the flames aren't extinguished in short order, and who have been told repeatedly to "Shelter in place" until we can rescue them?

556 Sharmuta  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:23:19am

re: #546 Rightwingconspirator

Most folks aren't aware of these think tanks' funding sources. Once people become aware, they can better filter out any bias they perceive in any piece. But if you're not aware there is a larger agenda, it's easier to be led to think differently. The point of the first piece I linked was that these various think tanks are not as independent as they claim. Many of them are interconnected, and most are funded by the same 5 foundations- intentionally:

In 1985, Michael Joyce left the Olin Foundation to assume the presidency of the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, in Milwaukee. During this time, he not only built the Bradley Foundation into the largest and most influential right-wing foundation in the country, he also forged a formidable alliance among a small group of the nation’s largest, far right-wing foundations so that their resources could be more strategically deployed in support of the developing neoconservative agenda. Included in this alliance are the Koch Foundation (either directly or through its subsidiary the Claude Lambe Foundation), the Castle Rock Foundation (Coors) and the Sarah Scaife Foundations (either directly or through its subsidiaries the Carthage Foundation and the Alleghany Foundation) which, together with Olin and Bradley, have collectively financed the rise of the neoconservative movement in this country and have done so with an impressive display tactical precision.

557 debutaunt  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #554 rwmofo

The prune king!

558 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:24:15am

"Aw, Mom, it's not my fault. The swine flu musta' turned me into a pig."

When the urge to laugh over-rides the urge to throttle.

559 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:24:27am

re: #552 avanti

Nope, you've been fighting a fire for 8 years, and it's getting bigger. The Captain wants more firefighters and we've lost many in fighting the fire. It's time to think about all the options to contain the fire than you've been doing.

And again ,as per my 498, Obama ran on this issue. It was the "RIGHT" war. He didn't know or wasn't advised back then that the "right war" would require a better "option" than the last 8 years?

560 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:24:28am

re: #557 debutaunt

The prune king!

Heh. Eventually I guess.

561 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #550 Rightwingconspirator

Fair enough but would you flesh out why?


There's been so much misinformation and outright lies from the right since the election that I just don't trust right wing think tanks anymore. Heritage Foundation is a Tea Party sponsor (I think Cato might be as well) and therefore not trustworthy.

562 rwmofo  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #558 MandyManners

"Aw, Mom, it's not my fault. The swine flu musta' turned me into a pig."

When the urge to laugh over-rides the urge to throttle.

If he blames Bush does he get the throttle?

563 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #552 avanti

re: #559 sattv4u2

And again ,as per my 498, Obama ran on this issue. It was the "RIGHT" war. He didn't know or wasn't advised back then that the "right war" would require a better "option" than the last 8 years?

OR ,,, was the "right war" meme just so mkuch campaign BS?

Choose your poison!

564 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:26:17am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

There's been so much misinformation and outright lies from the right since the election that I just don't trust right wing think tanks anymore. Heritage Foundation is a Tea Party sponsor (I think Cato might be as well) and therefore not trustworthy.

Where does Kevin Bacon fit into it?

565 haakondahl  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:27:55am

What do Israel and Afghanistan have in common?

566 Racer X  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

There's been so much misinformation and outright lies from the right since the election that I just don't trust right wing think tanks anymore. Heritage Foundation is a Tea Party sponsor (I think Cato might be as well) and therefore not trustworthy.

I no longer trust anyone. I barely trust my lying eyes.

567 sattv4u2  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #565 haakondahl

What do Israel and Afghanistan have in common?

I live in niether (although I have visted one of them)

568 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:29:16am

re: #565 haakondahl

What do Israel and Afghanistan have in common?

Neither one has a single good neighbor.

569 MandyManners  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:31:01am

re: #562 rwmofo

If he blames Bush does he get the throttle?

Nah. He likes Pres. Bush.

570 avanti  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #559 sattv4u2

And again ,as per my 498, Obama ran on this issue. It was the "RIGHT" war. He didn't know or wasn't advised back then that the "right war" would require a better "option" than the last 8 years?

He ran on getting al-Qaida and my guess is that's the turn we'll take based on this from my link:

National security adviser James Jones has said that according to maximum estimates, al-Qaida has fewer than 100 fighters operating in Afghanistan without any bases or ability to launch attacks on the West. Instead, the U.S. fight in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, now increasingly defined by the Obama team as distinct from al-Qaida. While still dangerous, the Taliban are seen as indigenous with almost entirely local and territorial aims and far less of a threat to the U.S.

571 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:33:15am

re: #556 Sharmuta

I get "follow the money". I can only guess the Soros folks do the same over there. My take is read, filter, absorb, consider with care. Understand the money trail. And thanks for that outline BTW. If I abandon all the money linked sites or sources I have too small a sample to draw facts from. If you saw my bookmarks you would think me far more confused than Libertarian. That shows up (I hope) in my writings.

Yes the right has gotten far worse of late, but as a guy whose first vote was Reagan I perceive a long term cycle in these things. I trust the shrillness to abate, but not soon. Did you see my media feedback loop post? Outrageous comment=ratings uptick=more outrageous comments etc etc. Left and right BTW. What else explains both Olbermann and Beck?

572 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:33:44am

re: #568 Guanxi88

Too True!!

573 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:37:57am

re: #570 avanti

He ran on getting al-Qaida and my guess is that's the turn we'll take based on this from my link:

National security adviser James Jones has said that according to maximum estimates, al-Qaida has fewer than 100 fighters operating in Afghanistan without any bases or ability to launch attacks on the West. Instead, the U.S. fight in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, now increasingly defined by the Obama team as distinct from al-Qaida. While still dangerous, the Taliban are seen as indigenous with almost entirely local and territorial aims and far less of a threat to the U.S.

Don't know if you recall, but that description of the Taliban is identical to the assessment of them just after al Qaeda got chunked outta Sudan. Yep, just a small regional force is all they were, all they ever were.

Al-Qaeda, as you must know, does not field an army, does not have traditional force structures, and has a complicated, nearly "viral" franchise. Sure, there may be only 100 or so men at arms under the al-qaeda banner in afghanistan now, and this because we've ground them down in battle and degraded their ability,

If we decide we've beaten al Qaeda and can go home, as the taliban are no danger to anyone but the afghans (although why we should toss the afghan people under the bus is more than I can know), does the possibility exist that al-Qaeda, now provided with an ideologically friendly power and without the inconvenience of US airstrikes, might not re-form?

Just askin'

574 haakondahl  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:41:25am

re: #565 haakondahl

What do Israel and Afghanistan have in common?

They will both be sacrificed to appease the Mullahs in Iran. Which I suppose is true of Iran itself, as well.

575 haakondahl  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:45:28am

re: #573 Guanxi88

Don't know if you recall, but that description of the Taliban is identical to the assessment of them just after al Qaeda got chunked outta Sudan. Yep, just a small regional force is all they were, all they ever were.

Al-Qaeda, as you must know, does not field an army, does not have traditional force structures, and has a complicated, nearly "viral" franchise. Sure, there may be only 100 or so men at arms under the al-qaeda banner in afghanistan now, and this because we've ground them down in battle and degraded their ability,

If we decide we've beaten al Qaeda and can go home, as the taliban are no danger to anyone but the afghans (although why we should toss the afghan people under the bus is more than I can know), does the possibility exist that al-Qaeda, now provided with an ideologically friendly power and without the inconvenience of US airstrikes, might not re-form?

Just askin'

I thought that because President Bush took his eye off the ball, al Qaeda was more powerful than ever, and we had all been endangered?

576 Guanxi88  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:50:00am

re: #575 haakondahl

I thought that because President Bush took his eye off the ball, al Qaeda was more powerful than ever, and we had all been endangered?

That was until November of 2008. Since then, everything's hunky-dory now, and we can go home.

//

577 gregb  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:07:26am

re: #383 BigPapa

No, it's a rag tag band of intarwebs pirates.

That's movie piracy, not real piracy.

578 ryannon  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:10:54am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

I bet there is not too many Lizards here who will know what your reference it to... clever.

Ron Paul?

579 lostlakehiker  Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:07:20pm

re: #573 Guanxi88

Don't know if you recall, but that description of the Taliban is identical to the assessment of them just after al Qaeda got chunked outta Sudan. Yep, just a small regional force is all they were, all they ever were.

Al-Qaeda, as you must know, does not field an army, does not have traditional force structures, and has a complicated, nearly "viral" franchise. Sure, there may be only 100 or so men at arms under the al-qaeda banner in afghanistan now, and this because we've ground them down in battle and degraded their ability,

If we decide we've beaten al Qaeda and can go home, as the taliban are no danger to anyone but the afghans (although why we should toss the afghan people under the bus is more than I can know), does the possibility exist that al-Qaeda, now provided with an ideologically friendly power and without the inconvenience of US airstrikes, might not re-form?

Just askin'

The fire is nearly out. It's a waste of water to drench the embers.

/try that with a real fire


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