Here’s the latest Republican/Fox News attempt to scare people out of cooperating with the census: Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) says “tens of thousands” of census takers may be rapists and child molesters.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:28:24am |
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) says “tens of thousands” of census takers may be rapists and child molesters.
He’s more slippery than that. He merely cites the cases of known criminals, then some portion of whom may be presumed to be sex-offenders, before going on to indicate that tens of thousands of background checks were conducted improperly. Very slippery - it sounds like what he wants it to sound like, and achieves its intended effect (whatever the hell that may be) without, however, actually appearing in any transcript of his remarks. “I never said that,” he’ll say, and point to the transcript.
Tricksy.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:28:26am |
This is outta control. To say I’m disappointed in the GOP would be a significant understatement.
I keep hoping we hit bottom, only to keep going.
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Ojoe Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:28:28am |
Even a great magician cannot pull a habit out of a rat.
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:29:15am |
re: #2 Cato the Elder
Unbelievable.
Completely believable. It’s the melding of Michelle Bachmann’s Census hysteria with the Dan Riehl claim that the dead census worker with “fed” written on him was a paedophile.
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KingKenrod Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:31:00am |
Getting your constituents to not cooperate with the census is sort of counter-productive if you want to keep your job.
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:31:15am |
Tens of thousands of hot chicks were calling me…
…well, they were calling me names that I thought were totally unnecessary.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:31:53am |
*sighs*
Maybe Michael Moore was right afterall: manufacturing fear to control the masses.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:32:12am |
re: #10 Sharmuta
Does he have documentation to support this claim?
Sadly, the source of the story seems to be New Majority…
Census May Have Hired Violent Criminals to Canvass Your Home
I was hoping they’d be a rare voice of reason from the right but maybe they’re going to go nuts with everyone else.
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:32:52am |
I don’t understand what it is that they think they are going to accomplish. If they convince “conservatives” not to participate in the census, won’t this hurt the Republicans when it comes time for redistricting?
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:33:50am |
Um, there are tens of thousands of criminals and deviants out there amongst us right now.
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:34:49am |
re: #18 Reginald Perrin
I don’t understand what it is that they think they are going to accomplish. If they convince “conservatives” not to participate in the census, won’t this hurt the Republicans when it comes time for redistricting?
Yes.
The morons didn’t think things through.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:35:52am |
re: #11 MandyManners
1,800 have criminal backgrounds
750 have been convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter
That’s a far cry from “Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) says “tens of thousands” of census takers may be rapists and child molesters.”
That doesn’t make it right of it is true that such criminals are visiting homes of private citizens but on the flip side, if they’ve “paid their due” to society, don’t they have a right to employment?
*On a personal note, I think ALL sex offenders should be locked away forever. No parole.
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:36:12am |
re: #10 Sharmuta
Does he have documentation to support this claim?
No.
he’s basing it on this:
Speaking on “Studio B” this afternoon, Chaffetz responded to recent Senate testimony from a GAO official who said it was “possible” that improper fingerprinting procedures at the Census Bureau led to the hiring of somewhere around 200 temporary census workers “with extensive criminal records.” The official said the bureau had dismissed 750 of 1,800 temporary workers it hired last year with criminal records after reviewing details of the workers’ cases.
He’s using the fact that the system worked last year — i.e., people with criminal backgrounds were fired — as a reason to claim that the system is broken, and that the hundreds of thousands of census workers working or hired now are criminals.
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:36:42am |
re: #23 iceweasel
PIMF” tens of thousands.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:37:14am |
re: #18 Reginald Perrin
I don’t understand what it is that they think they are going to accomplish. If they convince “conservatives” not to participate in the census, won’t this hurt the Republicans when it comes time for redistricting?
Yes. Conservative districts will also get less funding for roads, infrastructure, schools, police depts, etc if they don’t participate in the census.
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freetoken Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:37:33am |
It burns me… the Census burns me… take it off me…
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:38:44am |
Wasn’t there just a case of a census worker lynching a reluctant participant and branding the word “REP” to on his chest?
Or am I distorting facts in order to fit my delusional ideas?
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:38:50am |
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:39:19am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Sadly, the source of the story seems to be New Majority…
Census May Have Hired Violent Criminals to Canvass Your HomeI was hoping they’d be a rare voice of reason from the right but maybe they’re going to go nuts with everyone else.
I don’t know. The author seems fairly rational. His link is a government report.
It still doesn’t excuse the fear mongering from the representative.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:40:45am |
re: #11 MandyManners
1,800 have criminal backgrounds
750 have been convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter
Y’all talking about the Cowboys?
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:40:53am |
re: #20 MandyManners
From the link:
Address canvassing, an operation where temporary workers known as listers go door–to-door to verify and update address data, finished ahead of schedule, but was over budget. Based on initial Bureau data, the preliminary figure on the actual cost of address canvassing is $88 million higher than the original estimate of $356 million, an overrun of 25 percent.
A key reason for the overrun is that the Bureau did not update its cost estimates to reflect the changes to the address canvassing workload. Further, the Bureau did not follow its staffing strategy and hired too many listers. The Bureau’s efforts to fingerprint employees, which was required as part of a criminal background check, did not proceed smoothly, in part because of training issues.
As a result, over 35,000 temporary census workers—over a fifth of the address canvassing workforce—were hired despite the fact that their fingerprints could not be processed and they were not fully screened for employment eligibility. The Bureau is refining instruction manuals and taking other steps to improve the fingerprinting process for future operations.
Great. Just freaking great. 25 percent over budget. Typical idiots in the government. Still curious as to why Americans are pissed off?
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:41:15am |
re: #32 MandyManners
I’ll go by the GAO account.
Good. It talks about LAST YEAR and how they’ve instituted procedures to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Chaffetz is fearmongering. Bottom line.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:41:23am |
re: #25 MandyManners
The Bureau’s efforts to fingerprint employees, which was required as part of a criminal background check, did not proceed smoothly, in part because of training issues. As a result, over 35,000 temporary census workers—over a fifth of the address canvassing workforce—were hired despite the fact that their fingerprints could not be processed and they were not fully screened for employment eligibility. The Bureau is refining instruction manuals and taking other steps to improve the fingerprinting process for future operations.
It’s a long way from saying that 35,000 temps were hired without being fully screened, to claiming that ALL of those people might be criminals.
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:42:05am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:42:07am |
re: #12 Sharmuta
Where are these numbers coming from?
Yeah, I have to wonder. If we’re that clear on who these problem children are, haven’t we sort of solved the problem?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:42:36am |
re: #9 iceweasel
Completely believable. It’s the melding of Michelle Bachmann’s Census hysteria with the Dan Riehl claim that the dead census worker with “fed” written on him was a paedophile.
Of course. I meant unbelievable as in “awesome” when something is good. A coffee at Starbucks is never really awesome. ;^)
And this stuff fails to surprise me. I expect the GOP to go a lot lower still.
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:43:16am |
re: #29 ralphieboy
Wasn’t there just a case of a census worker lynching a reluctant participant and branding the word “REP” to on his chest?
Or am I distorting facts in order to fit my delusional ideas?
I think a census worker was murdered in Kentucky and “Fed” was written on his chest.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:43:17am |
re: #18 Reginald Perrin
I don’t understand what it is that they think they are going to accomplish. If they convince “conservatives” not to participate in the census, won’t this hurt the Republicans when it comes time for redistricting?
Yeah, I don’t get this. Aren’t we sort of OBLIGATED to have a census? Why are these folks acting as though it’s some sort of plot?
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:43:21am |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I have to wonder. If we’re that clear on who these problem children are, haven’t we sort of solved the problem?
yes, But those 750 from last year mean we should include that every one of the 35K is guilty of rape and child molestation. //
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:43:25am |
re: #38 Racer X
(yeah, but I’m a Cowboy fan, so I thought I’d play the “self depreciating humor guy)
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:43:44am |
re: #32 MandyManners
If the properly processed criminal record checks are any indication, the Bureau may have let a large number of violent criminals slip through the cracks. Of the prints that were properly checked, about one percent, or 1,800 workers, had criminal records that name checks failed to identify.
Of these 1,800 workers with criminal records, about 750 had their employment terminated or further reviewed due to criminal records that included crimes like rape, manslaughter and child abuse. Projecting these numbers to the employees with spoilt prints, the GAO came up with the figure of 200 census workers that may have had serious criminal records.
This is a far cry from what the representative said. He’s using the wrong data and completely misrepresenting this report.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:43:54am |
re: #41 rwmofo
I think a census worker was murdered in Kentucky and “Fed” was written on his chest.
You sure it wasn’t by another Census worker?
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:44:39am |
I believe his actual quote is:
“Tens of thousands of these were done improperly, therefore we don’t know the background of these people.”
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:44:42am |
re: #37 Charles
It’s a long way from saying that 35,000 temps were hired without being fully screened, to claiming that ALL of those people might be criminals.
Exactly. That’s not what the report says at all. This is cherry picking on par with the DI and Heartland.
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avanti Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:45:05am |
re: #11 MandyManners
1,800 have criminal backgrounds
750 have been convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter
OK, take that 750 number. If a half dozen were convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter and the rest were drunk driving and the like, the “such as” comment could still be technically true. I’d want a actual breakdown of rape, and pedophilia for example. If you have 100,000 census workers applying for low income jobs, you’ll get more than a few bad apples applying and that would be true of any job.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:45:14am |
Workers that used to be with ACORN maybe? LOL
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:45:20am |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You sure it wasn’t by another Census worker?
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I hear they’re all rapists and child molesters. It must be true, because Rep Chaffetz said so. //
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:45:32am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:46:05am |
re: #41 rwmofo
I think a census worker was murdered in Kentucky and “Fed” was written on his chest.
I think Ralphie knows that. ;)
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:46:38am |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I don’t get this. Aren’t we sort of OBLIGATED to have a census? Why are these folks acting as though it’s some sort of plot?
There’s a theory circulating that the new census will be more EVIL than previous ones, because of the use of enhanced mapping techniques to localize & count residences within the districts (GPS - like they use for bombs and those chips they put into the vaccines!), combined with the ominous “long form” which asks questions about damned near everything, combined with the (now-kaiboshed) proposal to have ACORN (the seed of EVIL) to assist in conducting it.
The real reason for the paranoia is more than I know. Prediction? We’ll find out that there are a hell of a lot more people here in the US than we thought, and that more of them than anyone ever thought live in Dem districts, and that minorities and women are hardest hit.
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:46:54am |
Uh - the door-to-door phase of this census is over, or nearly so; they canvassed my neighborhood early last spring. It’s a stupid, completely unnecessary exercise - recording GPS coordinates of addresses - that could have easily been accomplished by using Google Maps or similar tools to complete 99.99% of the task, and then mopping up the tiny fraction left over with the street walkers.
But that wouldn’t have landed the company that produced the most primitive, impossible to use GPS units the earth has ever seen with a sweet government contract.
But I digress. The point is that going forward, the only thing that’s left is the actual census, and the vast majority of people just get that in the mail, fill it out and mail it back. Actual face-to-face visits by census workers are exceedingly rare. So I’m not seeing the point of all this hullabaloo - for most of the population, chances of even seeing a census worker are between slim and none.
Where things are going to get dicey is in that small fraction of home visits, nearly all of which are follow ups on addresses that didn’t respond in the first place. These are often visits to crazy people, and ginning up fear among those most likely to go nutzoid at a knock on the door is the height of irresponsibility.
It isn’t the citizenry that’s at risk because of the census - it’s the census workers. The only explanation for this sort of bullshit I can think of is to make sure that some of those workers get their heads blown off when they knock on the door of someone who’s spent way too much time absorbing this bilge.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:47:06am |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You got some photoshop skills there. LOL Great Avatar. I may have to re consider mine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:47:25am |
re: #43 iceweasel
yes, But those 750 from last year mean we should include that every one of the 35K is guilty of rape and child molestation. //
I can see being worried. These folks get more ‘in’ to people’s homes than temp workers normally would have.
However, yelling on the teevee that the world is ending seems counterproductive, unless your concern is not to make sure the census is conducted safely.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:47:44am |
re: #50 avanti
Great. Now they’ll be Censusing drunk.
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Etaoin Shrdlu Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:48:14am |
Rapists and child molesters? If they don’t stop people attending church, why would they stop people answering the census?
[half-/]
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:49:59am |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I don’t get this. Aren’t we sort of OBLIGATED to have a census? Why are these folks acting as though it’s some sort of plot?
Do the questions go beyond ‘how many people live in the house’ ?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:50:31am |
re: #66 debutaunt
Do the questions go beyond ‘how many people live in the house’ ?
Probably. They did last time. I do not recall this kind of carrying-on.
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JanglerNPL Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:50:54am |
“It is paramount that the American people have confidence, and the people who are going to go door-to-door next April 10 and conduct a census, and what is concerning we have suddenly about 1800 people that have actually got a criminal background. Nearly 750 people have salacious backgrounds such as child molestation, rape. You even have some people convicted of manslaughter that have been brought into the process. I give credit to the Census Bureau for actually conducting background checks and doing fingerprinting and working with the FBI, but what is not acceptable is that tens of thousands of these were done improperly, so we do not know the background of these people.”
(via)
He’s being a bit slippery here…he doesn’t actually say that “the people who are going door-to-door next April 10” will include “nearly 750 people [who] have salacious backgrounds[…]” (he couldn’t say that, because it isn’t true; some of them have been fired, and others are being “further reviewed”, though I’d like to know what that means). He just puts those phrases awfully close to each other.
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:51:00am |
re: #37 Charles
It’s a long way from saying that 35,000 temps were hired without being fully screened, to claiming that ALL of those people might be criminals.
Yes, it is. The real question here, which no one in government seems to be addressing, is why door-to-door address verification is necessary in the first place. It’s a make-work program, at best, better accomplished in other ways, although it was certainly a boon to whoever produced the custom-made GPS units mandated by the project.
But apparently, the time of debate over fiscal responsibility and government efficiency is either long past, or simply nowhere in sight.
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haakondahl Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:51:02am |
re: #22 eclectic infidel
That’s a far cry from “Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) says “tens of thousands” of census takers may be rapists and child molesters.”
That doesn’t make it right of it is true that such criminals are visiting homes of private citizens but on the flip side, if they’ve “paid their due” to society, don’t they have a right to employment?
*On a personal note, I think ALL sex offenders should be locked away forever. No parole.
Nobody has a right to employment.
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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:51:09am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Sadly, the source of the story seems to be New Majority…
Census May Have Hired Violent Criminals to Canvass Your HomeI was hoping they’d be a rare voice of reason from the right but maybe they’re going to go nuts with everyone else.
Ironically, this book review also appears at that site:
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
Tens of millions of people have viewed an Internet video alleging that the 9/11 terror attacks were masterminded by the US government. The most popular host on the Fox News network accuses the president of plotting to fasten a fascist regime on the nation.The president’s birth certificate is a fake! No, the evidence for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was faked! You’re a Marxist! You’re a torturer!
In short: it seems like Richard Hofstadter’s most famous book, The Paranoid Style in American Politics, has never been more relevant…
When a site like that has a “book club,” it’s just another business venture, not necessarily an intellectual enterprise. The ad for interns in the right side column seems a little smarmy to me.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:51:13am |
FBV (#46)
Thank you for talking around the facts and moving the discussion to another level to repeat and thus confirm my paranoid delusions. Public discourse in this country is the richer for it.
I suppose the Census Workers could also provide vital information for the Death Panels and Mandatory Abortionists who will follow in their wake…
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:51:53am |
re: #66 debutaunt
Do the questions go beyond ‘how many people live in the house’ ?
Yes, over the years, the Census has become a valuable tool for analysis of demography, population shifts, wealth distribution, consumer habits, and a whole buncha stuff that’s insanely valuable to know.
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FightingBack Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:52:03am |
Ok, so the Govt did a lousy job vetting workers who will ring your doorbell, even if the kids are home alone. They will have tags and everything. Then the government fixed it up a little, and will try to do better. It ran over budget, sorry. Another Govt guy is now spewing some distorted information about the first bunch of government guys. And this will lead to folks not opening the door, so they won’t be counted on his side of the government, either.
This is the same Government (or some parts of it) that wants to take over my industry (Medicine.)
What could go wrong?
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:52:50am |
re: #58 SixDegrees
I still wonder how much ACORN was paid to do that. They were in my neighborhood twice. Four at a time.
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Etaoin Shrdlu Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:52:52am |
On second thought, I’m all in favour of anti-census hysteria. If we can get all the loons to avoid answering, then areas with a high concentration of loons will end up with proportionally less representation in Congress.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:52:57am |
re: #49 Sharmuta
I’d like to see any hire that big that got done without including some shady characters. Thats an HR nightmare!!!
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webevintage Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:53:12am |
“I have in my hand the names of tens-of-thousands 750 known commies criminals…”
Sorry, saw The Manchurian Candidate on TV last night…I always think of the scene whenever pols start yelling about inflated numbers of teh ebil that might work for the gov’t.
I guess this will be Malkin’s fauxrage of the weekend when she is done bitchin’ about Bo’s birthday, stalking children and their families and critiquing the art in the White House.
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haakondahl Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:53:22am |
re: #74 FightingBack
Ok, so the Govt did a lousy job vetting workers who will ring your doorbell, even if the kids are home alone. They will have tags and everything. Then the government fixed it up a little, and will try to do better. It ran over budget, sorry. Another Govt guy is now spewing some distorted information about the first bunch of government guys. And this will lead to folks not opening the door, so they won’t be counted on his side of the government, either.
Yeah, well, you fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, and, well, we won’t be fooled again.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:53:22am |
re: #60 MandyManners
I’m not defending the guy. I just posted a link to the GAO’s report.
This is what the New Majority report said:
If the properly processed criminal record checks are any indication, the Bureau may have let a large number of violent criminals slip through the cracks. Of the prints that were properly checked, about one percent, or 1,800 workers, had criminal records that name checks failed to identify.
Of these 1,800 workers with criminal records, about 750 had their employment terminated or further reviewed due to criminal records that included crimes like rape, manslaughter and child abuse.
These are the numbers cited by the representative, but notice these are of the GOOD checks. He’s using these numbers to indicate they belong in the botched fingerprints. These are not the botched numbers!
Projecting these numbers to the employees with spoilt prints, the GAO came up with the figure of 200 census workers that may have had serious criminal records.
200. That’s a far cry from what is being promoted. And that number is only a possible amount of people who may or may not have a criminal record.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:53:24am |
re: #63 Etaoin Shrdlu
Rapists and child molesters? If they don’t stop people attending church, why would they stop people answering the census?
[half-/]
Half stupid. A cheap shot without any statistics.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:53:31am |
From the GAO report:
Consistent with FBI guidance, the Bureau relied solely on the results of the name background check for the nearly 36,000 employees with
unclassifiable prints.13 However, it is possible that more than 200 people
with unclassifiable prints had disqualifying criminal records but still
worked, and had contact with the public during address canvassing.14
Indeed, of the prints that could be processed, fingerprint results identified approximately 1,800 temporary workers (1.1 percent of total hires) with criminal records that name check alone failed to identify. Of the 1,800 workers with criminal records, approximately 750 (42 percent) were
terminated or were further reviewed because the Bureau determined their
criminal records—which included crimes such as rape, manslaughter, and
child abuse—disqualified them from census employment.
So, 750 with criminal records such as rape, manslaughter, child abuse were terminated from employment.
Projecting these percentages to the 35,700 temporary employees with unclassifiable prints, it is possible that more than 200 temporary census employees might have had criminal records that would have made them ineligible for census employment. Applying these same percentages to the approximately 600,000 people the Bureau plans to fingerprint for nonresponse follow-up, unless the problems with fingerprinting are addressed, we estimate that approximately 785 employees with unclassifiable prints could have disqualifying criminal records but still end up working for the Bureau.15
The above seems to be a projection of what could occur unless fingerprinting problems are addressed and it appears the fingerprinting problems, now discovered, are indeed being addressed.
re: #43 iceweasel
yes, But those 750 from last year mean we should include that every one of the 35K is guilty of rape and child molestation. //
I dunno, Ice. You used a sarc tag there, but we had somebody here at LGF the other day seeming to make a claim that the VAST MAJORITY of Southern whites are racist because the voting in the south trended a bit more Republican in the 2008 election than in past elections. Seems like the same sort of discombobulated thinking to me.
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:54:41am |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
Probably. They did last time. I do not recall this kind of carrying-on.
I was wondering when ACORN got involved this time.
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avanti Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:54:42am |
re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Great. Now they’ll be Censusing drunk.
Technically, the loonie spin would be:
“Drunk, pedophile, rapists are coming to your home to do a census.”
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:54:57am |
I had a census worker knock on my door for the 1990 census. He was a little disheveled and was smoking (I’ve never smoked). He identified himself and asked if he could come in. I stepped out onto the porch and told him “I can answer your questions here.” I didn’t feel threatened but wondered about the basic rules and guidelines for these guys.
Are some ex-cons? Maybe.
Are some a threat to us? Possibly.
Has the congressman embellished the numbers? Hmmm.
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:55:36am |
re: #37 Charles
I’ve listened to this clip 3 times now - and he states:
1,800 have criminal backgrounds
750 have been convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter
Then his exact words are:
“Tens of thousands of these were done improperly, therefore we don’t know the background of these people.”
I never hear him state “that ALL of those people might be criminals.”
I’m not defending the guy either, but this is quite a jump isn’t it?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:55:57am |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
I was half offended.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:56:39am |
re: #85 rwmofo
I had a census worker knock on my door for the 1990 census. He was a little disheveled and was smoking (I’ve never smoked). He identified himself and asked if he could come in. I stepped out onto the porch and told him “I can answer your questions here.” I didn’t feel threatened but wondered about the basic rules and guidelines for these guys.
Are some ex-cons? Maybe.
Are some a threat to us? Possibly.
Has the congressman embellished the numbers? Hmmm.
Some of the folks being discussed here have already had contact with the public.
How many criminal incidents occurred?
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haakondahl Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:56:53am |
re: #82 reine.de.tout
From the GAO report:
I dunno, Ice. You used a sarc tag there, but we had somebody here at LGF the other day seeming to make a claim that the VAST MAJORITY of Southern whites are racist because the voting in the south trended a bit more Republican in the 2008 election than in past elections. Seems like the same sort of discombobulated thinking to me.
Yeah, well, there are those who insist that the philosophical cornerstone fo the right is racism—that if you are a racist, you are on the right, and that if you are on the right, you are a racist. Otherwise you would be on the left.
All sorts of things get said.
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webevintage Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:58:55am |
re: #66 debutaunt
Do the questions go beyond ‘how many people live in the house’ ?
Yes, but you are only obligated to answer the basic questions, but the information gleaned from the more “intrusive” questions is useful in a non-evil way.
As an aside, I love filling things like that out and I bet if there was a lottery for a cruise or something (pony maybe?) even more people would take the time to discuss their buying habits, education levels and such. It really is an important tool that in the end is in your communities best interest to participate.
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:58:57am |
re: #75 debutaunt
I still wonder how much ACORN was paid to do that. They were in my neighborhood twice. Four at a time.
They were paid nothing. ACORN was one of (then) 30,000 partners in the US Census. It was strictly volunteer, virtually any organisation can volunteer— and it is unpaid.
They were also uninvolved in the collection of data.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:59:10am |
Do census “walkers” come to your house if you fill out your census form and mail it in properly?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:59:42am |
re: #89 haakondahl
Yeah, well, there are those who insist that the philosophical cornerstone fo the right is racism—that if you are a racist, you are on the right, and that if you are on the right, you are a racist. Otherwise you would be on the left.
All sorts of things get said.
Cornerstone? I’ve had people tell me it was the foundation of conservatism.
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Ray in TX Sat, Oct 10, 2009 10:59:50am |
re: #37 Charles
It’s a long way from saying that 35,000 temps were hired without being fully screened, to claiming that ALL of those people might be criminals.
Of those properly checked, 1% were fired/refused because of a criminal background. That’s where the 1800 and 750 numbers come from.
If the same rate applied to the misprocessed applicants, that would mean around 350 temps had criminal records.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:00:09am |
In all seriousness: what we are witnessing has been a quantum leap among conservatives from a critical and skeptical view of government (one which our Founding Fathers built into our constitution) to an overriding fear of government turning into the Beast of the Aopcalypse.
One forgets that we still have a Government of the People, elected by the people and operated and staffed by the people, not by Agents of Satan, foreign agents or bug-eyed aliens.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:00:27am |
re: #91 iceweasel
They were paid nothing. ACORN was one of (then) 30,000 partners in the US Census. It was strictly volunteer, virtually any organisation can volunteer— and it is unpaid.
They were also uninvolved in the collection of data.
[Link: www.factcheck.org…]
Ice is correct.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:00:47am |
re: #95 ralphieboy
One forgets that we still have a Government of the People, elected by the people and operated and staffed by the people, not by Agents of Satan, foreign agents or bug-eyed aliens.
That’s exactly what the Illuminati want you to think.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:02:47am |
re: #97 Guanxi88
That’s exactly what the Illuminati want you to think.
Honestly, we have never pushed the bugged-eyed alien meme at our meetings… blame that on David Ickes. He really gives the New World Order a bad name.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:02:54am |
re: #82 reine.de.tout
From your GAO quote:
Projecting these percentages to the 35,700 temporary employees with unclassifiable prints, it is possible that more than 200 temporary census employees might have had criminal records that would have made them ineligible for census employment.
Again- this is a far cry from what the representative said.
re: #68 JanglerNPL
You quote the transcript. From the representative:
“It is paramount that the American people have confidence, and the people who are going to go door-to-door next April 10 and conduct a census, and what is concerning we have suddenly about 1800 people that have actually got a criminal background. Nearly 750 people have salacious backgrounds such as child molestation, rape. You even have some people convicted of manslaughter that have been brought into the process. I give credit to the Census Bureau for actually conducting background checks and doing fingerprinting and working with the FBI, but what is not acceptable is that tens of thousands of these were done improperly, so we do not know the background of these people.”
Please note he doesn’t say at any point in time these 750 people have been terminated. He completely misconstrues a good point about government background checks working properly so he can scare people into thinking 750 criminals are out these waiting to knock on their door for the census.
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:03:26am |
re: #96 Walter L. Newton
Ice is correct.
That’s exactly what the Illuminati want you to think.
(quoting Guanxi88)
Thanks Walter.
BBL. Have fun, all!
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:03:39am |
“racist” as a popular term is experiencing severe “mission creep”. And its really pissing me off. I had to upset a friend the other day with his lefty Republican=Racist crap. Heck I’ve been an indy for years. Not a Republican or a fan of the party but my unfairness alarm was ringing loud. Then I sent him the voting records for the civil rights act and the voting act. 80% Republicans supported it. This was dismissed as irrelevant by my pal just because the Dems in opposition were from the south. So I asked-is it party or geography that matters? Geography undermines the party point. Hes a good guy just a bit off on partisan issues. I’m sick of shorthand bigotry. Shrill personal partisan bigotry is no less offensive to me than race.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:03:44am |
re: #93 Walter L. Newton
Cornerstone? I’ve had people tell me it was the foundation of conservatism.
That’s the famous split within conservatism here in the States : Some say racism is our foundation, the bedrock principle from which all others derive, while others argue racism is the cornerstone, the most important of the visible stones in the structure, the master-piece and alignment point for all policies and principles.
//
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JanglerNPL Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:03:56am |
re: #99 Sharmuta
Uh, that’s exactly what I said. I think.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:04:14am |
re: #100 iceweasel
That’s exactly what the Illuminati want you to think.
(quoting Guanxi88)
Thanks Walter.
BBL. Have fun, all!
Bye… oh goody, I get to snark after she is gone… ACORN still stinks a wet one… :)
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:04:42am |
re: #88 reine.de.tout
Some of the folks being discussed here have already had contact with the public.
How many criminal incidents occurred?
Let me word my experience differently. The guy who came to my door needed to shave and well, looked pretty bad. His first question was “Can I come in?” This tells me that was typically his first question for everyone. When someone who I don’t know knocks on my door and asks to come in, I say “No.”
I then went on to question the congressman’s numbers.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:05:04am |
re: #103 JanglerNPL
Uh, that’s exactly what I said. I think.
What you call “a bit slippery” I call lying.
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Why I Never! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:05:40am |
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JanglerNPL Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:05:59am |
re: #106 Sharmuta
Ah OK. I generally refrain from the word. I think we both agree that he was fear-mongering irresponsibly.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:06:24am |
Census workers should be required to add the question “How Many Honduran Sex slaves have you registered as dependents upon ACORN’s advice?”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:06:32am |
re: #107 iceweasel
hee hee…stuck around long enough to upding you for that. :)
later!
I know, it’s like trying to put down a bong… hard to do. :)
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:06:37am |
re: #105 rwmofo
Let me word my experience differently. The guy who came to my door needed to shave and well, looked pretty bad. His first question was “Can I come in?” This tells me that was typically his first question for everyone. When someone who I don’t know knocks on my door and asks to come in, I say “No.”
When I see three fat guys in white robes stabbing another man in the park, I shoot the bastards. That’s my policy
It was Julius Caesar from the Shakespeare in the Park. You killed three actors.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:06:47am |
re: #101 Rightwingconspirator
Republicans are digging themselves a huge hole on the race issue. They have a very serious problem.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:06:47am |
re: #104 Walter L. Newton
Bye… oh goody, I get to snark after she is gone… ACORN still stinks a wet one… :)
That’s fine, but they’ve been blown seriously out of proportion. Folks have been acting like they invented the U.S. Census to make money off it and get a list of where all the Republicans live, or something.
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Tiny alien kittens are watching you Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:07:44am |
This is sad, take some facts from a program that is already complete and over with, mangle them beyond recognition, then add some baseless supposition to increase the fear levels. Present this mixture as if it is a valid concern that applies to current Census efforts then sit back and watch the Fringe Right slip deeper into crazy paranoia.
This is irresponsible and counter-productive to say the least, what possible benefit can the GOP gain from sabotaging the census? As has already been pointed out above this only hurts us, how can our elected Representatives be so stupidly shortsighted?
“Well the fella said he was from that there government census officer, thats why’n I shot him, I was only protecting my kids and defendin the constitution. Why Rep. Jason Chaffetz hisself said that they is all libural child molesters doncha know?”
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webevintage Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:08:25am |
re: #95 ralphieboy
In all seriousness: what we are witnessing has been a quantum leap among conservatives from a critical and skeptical view of government (one which our Founding Fathers built into our constitution) to an overriding fear of government turning into the Beast of the Aopcalypse.
To me that is one of the real issues dividing folks in the last year.
I can discuss issues with anyone who disagrees with me. That is cool and a good exercise in democracy.
What I can’t (and do not have the energy or temperament) do is discuss issues with people (on either side) who’s arguments and fears have no basis in reality.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:08:48am |
Funny all these “Constitution Purists” fighting against the census. Uh.. guys.. it’s in the Constitution.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:09:25am |
ausador (#114)
Anti Government Hysteria: Present the government as a monster that does not reflect the Will of the People so that one has an excuse to act “in the name of the people” to topple it.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:10:19am |
re: #82 reine.de.tout
… we had somebody here at LGF the other day seeming to make a claim that the VAST MAJORITY of Southern whites are racist because the voting in the south trended a bit more Republican in the 2008 election than in past elections.
I think it’s clear that of the classic racist stereotype there is a higher percentage in the South.
But that is not carte blanche to paint Southerners as racists. That stereotype does happen here at LGF in some instances but it’s not frowned upon often enough, sadly. Of course this is a target rich environment and full of other issues so it gets lost in the mix. Using that same logic or rationality I could say that LFG hates white southerners.
We’re much better than that.
For the record, I am biased: I’ve been to New Orleans twice and love the place and have a buddy in SC.
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:10:27am |
re: #111 Guanxi88
When I see three fat guys in white robes stabbing another man in the park, I shoot the bastards. That’s my policy
It was Julius Caesar from the Shakespeare in the Park. You killed three actors.
Dude. Most people just throw tomatoes at us…
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:10:31am |
re: #109 ralphieboy
Census workers should be required to add the question “How Many Honduran Sex slaves have you registered as dependents upon ACORN’s advice?”
I’m just gonna say this, OT, and for the record. I’ve now seen a picture of the fearless crusaders in their pimp and ho get-ups, and I’m going to say that there is NO WAY anyone working in a low-income community on this planet thought they were for real. They look like a couple of middle-class kids dressed up like a pimp and his ho for Halloween. I don’t know what was going on in the ACORN people’s minds, but they can’t have believed the cover story.
Just my personal two cents.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:10:51am |
re: #117 ralphieboy
ausador (#114)
Anti Government Hysteria: Present the government as a monster that does not reflect the Will of the People so that one has an excuse to act “in the name of the people” to topple it.
Anytime anyone invokes the will of the people for any reason - walk, don’t run, to the nearest border. If you run, they’ll chase you.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:11:19am |
re: #119 rwmofo
Dude. Most people just throw tomatoes at us…
Frank Dreben - truly, a take-charge lawman.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:12:11am |
re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny all these “Constitution Purists” fighting against the census. Uh.. guys.. it’s in the Constitution.
That’s the main point I keep coming back to. We MUST do this, or else be prepared to add a no-census amendment. So why are people acting as though this is a plot against them? If they don’t like it, they know what they need to do.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:12:19am |
re: #99 Sharmuta
From your GAO quote:
Please note he doesn’t say at any point in time these 750 people have been terminated. He completely misconstrues a good point about government background checks working properly so he can scare people into thinking 750 criminals are out these waiting to knock on their door for the census.
Shar - this is also fro GAO:
Indeed, of the prints that could be processed, fingerprint results identified approximately 1,800 temporary workers (1.1 percent of total hires) with criminal records that name check alone failed to identify. Of the 1,800 workers with criminal records, approximately 750 (42 percent) were terminated or were further reviewed because the Bureau determined their criminal records—which included crimes such as rape, manslaughter, and child abuse—disqualified them from census employment.
They did terminate some, or conducted further review. These folks were NOT sent out, is what I gleaned from it. In other words, their review process, while clumsy, eventually worked.
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Liberal Classic Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:12:59am |
re: #6 BigPapa
This is outta control. To say I’m disappointed in the GOP would be a significant understatement.
I keep hoping we hit bottom, only to keep going.
Bad habits are hard to break. Often times when someone hits bottom, they just keep digging.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:13:11am |
re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny all these “Constitution Purists” fighting against the census. Uh.. guys.. it’s in the Constitution.
That always cracks me up too. It’s as if they have no understanding of the reasoning behind the Constitution. This is why we need to improve our civics education in this country. I place it on par with protecting science education.
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:14:00am |
re: #117 ralphieboy
ausador (#114)
Anti Government Hysteria: Present the government as a monster that does not reflect the Will of the People so that one has an excuse to act “in the name of the people” to topple it.
Just curious. I see a “reply” button inside each comment box. Do you?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:14:05am |
re: #118 BigPapa
Having lived in Boston for the most part of 1st 45 years on earth and in Atlanta for the last 11, and having traveled and spent considerable time in many major cities in the US, it’s my experience that you are incorrect
That stated, the ‘racists’ here in the south are much mor overt about it, while their northern ‘fellow travelers’ are very very covert about it, but percentage wise I have found it higher in the north
Again, just one mans observations
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:14:17am |
re: #118 BigPapa
There probably is a higher percentage of racists in certain parts of the south than in the rest of the country, that I do not deny.
I take issue with the characterization that the vast majority of southern whites are racist. And I was just blowing off some steam about it.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:14:25am |
re: #124 reine.de.tout
They did terminate some, or conducted further review. These folks were NOT sent out, is what I gleaned from it. In other words, their review process, while clumsy, eventually worked.
Exactly. It also shows the need for improvement, and I agree with that point, but to misrepresent the report to scare people about the census is wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:14:45am |
OT -
MLB has postponed the Rockies/Phili game tonight due to cold temps. That’s silly. I’ve seen teams playing when there were icicles hanging down on the goalposts.
Pansies!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:15:11am |
re: #130 Sharmuta
Exactly. It also shows the need for improvement, and I agree with that point, but to misrepresent the report to scare people about the census is wrong.
Yes, of course it’s wrong. Sorry if I wasn’t clear that I agree with that point.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:15:48am |
I find it ironic that when I was in school I wondered why history and civics were taught: science, math, and english were the most important.
I realize the importance of history and civics now.
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simoom Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:16:19am |
I remember this guy.
He’s the Rep who, at the airport, was randomly selected for the more thorough search, refused to go through the full-body imaging machine because it would display his body outline (which I suppose he felt would be indecent :P), tried to appeal to his position/authority as a member of congress (and ended up throwing his business card at the TSA Officer), then grabbed the TSA Officer’s ID away from him and later claimed it all was a case of harassment because of his legislative efforts against both the TSA union and the full-body imaging machine.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:16:39am |
re: #128 sattv4u2
“racism” and “racist” are terms that are both so fuzzy and value-laden that they generally serve only to derail a discussion rather than move it along.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:17:18am |
re: #128 sattv4u2
A co worker of mine once pointed out he preferred the visible Alabama style racism over the stealth California style. His claim not mine, but given his ethnic, his right to assert.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:17:22am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:18:29am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:18:46am |
re: #136 ralphieboy
“racism” and “racist” are terms that are both so fuzzy and value-laden that they generally serve only to derail a discussion rather than move it along.
Actually I beleive the term “racist” is used with way too broad a brush, when the speaker more properly means “bigot” or “prejudiced’
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:19:16am |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
OT -
MLB has postponed the Rockies/Phili game tonight due to cold temps. That’s silly. I’ve seen teams playing when there were icicles hanging down on the goalposts.
Pansies!
I lived there 17 years. Went to a night game in April once. The game was called around the 5th or 6th due to snow. But the lesson I learned was “Don’t go to a night game at Coors Field in April” - well unless you just got back from skiing and find yourself already dressed for the game.
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Ojoe Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:19:20am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:19:22am |
re: #138 Rightwingconspirator
A co worker of mine once pointed out he preferred the visible Alabama style racism over the stealth California style. His claim not mine, but given his ethnic, his right to assert.
I agree with him
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:19:49am |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
So, then, what’s that, a cod piece?
No, they’re just really happy to see mandy/
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:20:11am |
re: #140 Guanxi88
i moovded dem.
It 19 degrees (F) here at 8200 feet and 21 degrees (F) in downtown Denver, 30 miles east of here. Coors Field has a dusting of snow on the tarp, and it’s only going to get colder after the sun goes down tonight.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:20:14am |
re: #147 Ojoe
I booked it for later thanks.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:20:45am |
re: #151 Walter L. Newton
It 19 degrees (F) here at 8200 feet and 21 degrees (F) in downtown Denver, 30 miles east of here. Coors Field has a dusting of snow on the tarp, and it’s only going to get colder after the sun goes down tonight.
Rough weather for baseball.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:20:52am |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
hahahahaha
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:21:24am |
re: #128 sattv4u2
Having lived in Boston for the most part of 1st 45 years on earth and in Atlanta for the last 11, and having traveled and spent considerable time in many major cities in the US, it’s my experience that you are incorrect.
And that’s fine if I am. It doesn’t necessarily matter if I’m correct about it or not in this case. It’s an educated assumption that a higher percentage of voters against Obama based on race were from the South. Even if it’s incorrect, it still was reasonable.
But my point was that the ‘racist Southerner’ stereotype and meme is not now nor ever will be OK, even when a Southerner gets caught being a racetard. That was all. I see it a little here and there on LGF and will speak up when I see it.
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:22:25am |
re: #149 MandyManners
They put fish down their pants?
That’s the marlins. …or are you just happy to see me?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:22:40am |
re: #153 Guanxi88
Rough weather for baseball.
Really is, I’m not a fan of any sports really, but I can see why they canceled the game.
Good, maybe we will pick up some more patrons for tonight’s show. Our reservations are down this weekend, probably partially due to the baseball playoffs. So, maybe we will pick up a few more “walk ins” with the game canceled.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:22:44am |
re: #135 simoom
Downding Chaffetz. Is he trying to win the McKinney Award?
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abbyadams Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:23:06am |
I have friends and family members who’ve worked for the Census for years. If they get hurt because of assholes like this guy, and that idiot in Minnesota, I don’t know what I am going to do.
*shaking as I type this, I am so mad.
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:23:09am |
re: #85 rwmofo
I had a census worker knock on my door for the 1990 census. He was a little disheveled and was smoking (I’ve never smoked). He identified himself and asked if he could come in. I stepped out onto the porch and told him “I can answer your questions here.” I didn’t feel threatened but wondered about the basic rules and guidelines for these guys.
Are some ex-cons? Maybe.
Are some a threat to us? Possibly.
Has the congressman embellished the numbers? Hmmm.
I’ll mention another thing that’s going to happen, almost with certainty, because it happens whenever there’s a census. There will be criminals who exploit imperfect knowledge of census activity and pose as census workers in order to burglarize homes - or worse. I can, sadly, guarantee that this will happen again next year.
Always ask to see ID. Never let them in your home. It’s overprotective, but it’s easy and costs legitimate census workers nothing more than mild discomfort if the weather’s bad.
Nearly as certain as occurrences like this will be the attempt to conflate such blatant criminal behavior with all census workers by folks like Malkin, Beck, et al.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:23:32am |
Snapped shot is goofing on Charles for suspecting that some of the outrage about Obama’s “forged” art is racially motivated…
Heh!!—Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the other side of the mirror. All of you wascally waaacists should be ashamed of youwsewves!(Charles, please be sure to stay away from pointy objects. You could get hurt running around with those, don’tcha know?)
The only reason I stumbled across the Snapped Shot thread was because it is the topic of a Stormfront thread: Obamas bring African American Art to the White House - Ooops!
This is just another example of negro plagiarism.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:24:36am |
re: #130 Sharmuta
Exactly. It also shows the need for improvement, and I agree with that point, but to misrepresent the report to scare people about the census is wrong.
I worked for “government” for 30 years.
What a lot of people do not understand about government projects, particularly for a project of the size of the census, is just how much stuff needs to get done, all over the country, simultaneously.
It is not at all unusual for all sorts of unanticipated problems to crop up, be discovered, then be dealt with, in the course of managing a project of this size. I can guarantee that every census undertaking has had similar problems and difficulties, but have simply not been placed under a microscope in the way this current undertaking has been.
The GAO report says:
Applying these same percentages to the approximately 600,000 people the Bureau plans to fingerprint for nonresponse follow-up,. ..
600,000 people are to be fingerprinted and checked out.
600,000 people!
The logistics of accomplishing just that one thing are mind-boggling to think about.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:24:58am |
re: #156 BigPapa
Didn’t mean to offend, but I guess I was referrring to the Pavlovian “he’s a white southerner, he must be a racist” thought process. As I stated, I witnessed a larger percentage of racists in Boston, Chicago, Detroit (etc) than I have seen in Atlanta or Greensboro N.C. or other southern cities I’ve spent considerable time in
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:26:58am |
re: #160 abbyadams
You can help me understand the environment here. Was the Census not always a hazardous job? Finding folks with things to hide must have always been dangerous. I’m asking, these are assumptions I have. Care to set me straight?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:28:00am |
re: #165 MandyManners
My, what a big snout you have.
Boy, if I had a nickel for every time some comely young rhinologist threw that line at me…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:28:52am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Didn’t mean to offend, but I guess I was referrring to the Pavlovian “he’s a white southerner, he must be a racist” thought process. As I stated, I witnessed a larger percentage of racists in Boston, Chicago, Detroit (etc) than I have seen in Atlanta or Greensboro N.C. or other southern cities I’ve spent considerable time in
As someone who was born and raised on the East coast, has lived in the south and south west and currently the west, and have my moms side of the family from New Orleans, he’s my observation.
The only reason you witnessed a larger percentage of Racist in those cities is because it is more overt than in the deep south. In my opinion, the deep south always had a “congenial” attitude to racism, like a smirk and a smile and a “you know better” nod.
Just one personal observation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:29:56am |
re: #144 sattv4u2
Actually I beleive the term “racist” is used with way too broad a brush, when the speaker more properly means “bigot” or “prejudiced’
Thanksgiving, about ten years ago, at my aunt’s house:
Teenage cousin, whispering very loud: “MOM! Grandpa’s a bigot!”
My aunt, whispering just as loud: “Yes honey. He is. Did I forget to tell you that? I’m sorry.”
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:30:28am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Didn’t mean to offend, but I guess I was referrring to the Pavlovian “he’s a white southerner, he must be a racist” thought process.
I wasn’t offended in the least. I know that’s your experience and don’t question it. I absolutely have little patience for the ‘white Southerner=racist’ meme, even though there seems to be a lot of those coming out of the woodwork now.
It’s Level 1 thinking and I don’t care if your red/green/blue. Nowadays it’s ok since the pendulum has swung the other way, but it’s not OK at all.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:30:51am |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
He’s an idiot, and he was embarrassed by his stupid post about “fraudulent” art, so he’s lashing out at me, of course.
Meanwhile, his blog posts are being linked at Stormfront with great approval.
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Flyers1974 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:33:18am |
re: #101 Rightwingconspirator
“racist” as a popular term is experiencing severe “mission creep”. And its really pissing me off. I had to upset a friend the other day with his lefty Republican=Racist crap. Heck I’ve been an indy for years. Not a Republican or a fan of the party but my unfairness alarm was ringing loud. Then I sent him the voting records for the civil rights act and the voting act. 80% Republicans supported it. This was dismissed as irrelevant by my pal just because the Dems in opposition were from the south. So I asked-is it party or geography that matters? Geography undermines the party point. Hes a good guy just a bit off on partisan issues. I’m sick of shorthand bigotry. Shrill personal partisan bigotry is no less offensive to me than race.
I think that is the wrong question - ideology is more relevant due to its relatively consistent nature - did liberals support the Civil Rights movement or did they support segregation, etc…? Which were the driving force behind Civil Rights, Liberals or Conservatives? Who opposed Civil Rights, Liberals or Conservatives? Aside from that, while I agree that the term “racist” has and is still often used inappropriately, conservatives (generally speaking, as opposed to individual conservatives) have no room to complain. They openly played the race card (i.e., “states’ rights”) and when no longer politically convenient, switched tracks, to the “we’re a colorblind society” and any remedial measures are “reverse racism.” Conservatives rarely seem to portray racism in its proper context - instead noting that slavery ended in 1865, there was some sort of problem in the 1960’s or something, and everything is fine today - without ever addressing what happened between 1865 and say, the 1970’s. As for those who claimed current racial attitudes are exaggerated, - and I was among them - the current meltdown and moments of honesty on the right seems to have proved that theory wrong. The conservatives have made very little honest effort to even address and acknowledge the past or their role in the past - instead claiming the Democrats bought Blacks loyalty with petty favors, i.e., social programs.
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:33:51am |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
Snapped shot is goofing on Charles for suspecting that some of the outrage about Obama’s “forged” art is racially motivated…
I missed Charles’ comments in this regard. Although plausible, I frankly think it’s unlikely. The reason is simple: they were using Thomas’ own exhibition catalog, which clearly states that she was riffing on Matisse’s well-known work when she composed Watusi, as “proof” of “plagiarism.” It was painfully obvious that none of these doofuses bothered, or was able to read the words right in front of their eyes. The idea that they know anything at all about the provenance of any of the works strikes me as a real stretch.
Further proof that they simply aren’t paying attention: they were not at all happy when I pointed out, over at Malkin’s site, that the greatest number of works by a single artist, by a wide margin, were works by George Catlin, early documenter of Western American life and of indigenous America in the pre-photographic age, who is ordinarily immensely popular with pretty much everyone.
I screwed up, however. I should have provided a link to Catlin’s work in response to one of the numerous “Wall, that ain’t art, that’s crap, I no gud art when I sees it and that ain’t it!” posts, and asked if Catlin was more acceptable. I need to work on my dark side some more, I guess.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:34:14am |
Robert Stacy McCain has posted a twisted defense of the Georgia bar owner with the racist sign (includes ad hominem attacks against me, of course):
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:34:15am |
re: #160 abbyadams
I have friends and family members who’ve worked for the Census for years. If they get hurt because of assholes like this guy, and that idiot in Minnesota, I don’t know what I am going to do.
*shaking as I type this, I am so mad.
{Abby}
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:34:59am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Didn’t mean to offend, but I guess I was referrring to the Pavlovian “he’s a white southerner, he must be a racist” thought process. As I stated, I witnessed a larger percentage of racists in Boston, Chicago, Detroit (etc) than I have seen in Atlanta or Greensboro N.C. or other southern cities I’ve spent considerable time in
I lived in FL for eight years. In many diners there was a license-plate sized sign that said “We will charge an extra $5 to listen to how much bigger, better and cheaper things are UP NORTH.” I’ve lived in several states and an easy default observation is for people to say southerners are racists or “they’re still fighting the civil war.” My view, from listening to people all over suggest this notion, is that when they go to the south, or anywhere really, and say “X is bigger, better or cheaper where I come from,” they don’t realize that they could be perceived as saying “We’re better than you.” In some cases it’s done unwittingly, but this is not a good way to make friends.
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:36:03am |
re: #175 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain has posted a twisted defense of the Georgia bar owner with the racist sign (includes ad hominem attacks against me, of course):
[Link: rsmccain.blogspot.com…]
Shooting fish in a barrel leaps to mind at this news. Nice of him to go out of his way to prove he supports this sort of trash.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:36:03am |
re: #174 SixDegrees
I missed Charles’ comments in this regard. Although plausible, I frankly think it’s unlikely. The reason is simple: they were using Thomas’ own exhibition catalog, which clearly states that she was riffing on Matisse’s well-known work when she composed Watusi, as “proof” of “plagiarism.” It was painfully obvious that none of these doofuses bothered, or was able to read the words right in front of their eyes. The idea that they know anything at all about the provenance of any of the works strikes me as a real stretch.
Malkin definitely realized that Alma Thomas was African American. This is from her post:
Today, a Free Republic poster notices another of the Obamas’ curious art choices: “Watusi (Hard Edge),” by Alma Thomas, who is described by the NYTimes as “a longtime Washington resident who is an African-American painter.”
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:36:14am |
re: #174 SixDegrees
I need to work on my dark side some more, I guess.
Well, I can put you in touch with a couple of folk in my family. They could get Mother Teresa to scream the oedipal polysyllabic in under ten minutes.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:38:15am |
re: #181 MandyManners
One ill-considered response is that the road that brought them down to the South can just as easily take them back up to the North.
What makes you think the people up north wnat them back?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:38:28am |
re: #181 MandyManners
One ill-considered response is that the road that brought them down to the South can just as easily take them back up to the North.
Saw a bumper sticker here: “Love New York? Take I-95 North”
Graffiti everywhere reads : Go back to California!
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jaunte Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:38:33am |
re: #175 Charles
That guy is certainly adept at spewing out a lot of dust, garbage and distraction from the actual story.
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:38:52am |
re: #91 iceweasel
They were paid nothing. ACORN was one of (then) 30,000 partners in the US Census. It was strictly volunteer, virtually any organisation can volunteer— and it is unpaid.
They were also uninvolved in the collection of data.
[Link: www.factcheck.org…]
Thank you. I’ve asked the question a number of times and you are the first to answer.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:39:13am |
re: #175 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain has posted a twisted defense of the Georgia bar owner with the racist sign (includes ad hominem attacks against me, of course):
[Link: rsmccain.blogspot.com…]
Jesus, that’s a long and winding road. Let me sum it up:
“Our working-class white folks here in the south may sometimes be a little too plain-spoken, but they have been exploited by Eastern liberal eee-leeets for so long that they must express their righteous anger in some way. Of course, my blessed mother would have called them white trash for it, but I feel called upon to defend them, if not their language from the eee-leeets. Also, Charles Johnson is evil.”
Is that basically what he just said?
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:40:01am |
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:40:35am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Didn’t mean to offend, but I guess I was referrring to the Pavlovian “he’s a white southerner, he must be a racist” thought process. As I stated, I witnessed a larger percentage of racists in Boston, Chicago, Detroit (etc) than I have seen in Atlanta or Greensboro N.C. or other southern cities I’ve spent considerable time in
I mentioned yesterday that of all the regions I’ve visited, Detroit is by far the most racially polarized area in the nation. Nothing else even comes close. It is as near to totally segregated as it is possible to be.
And of course, Michigan was once the headquarters for the KKK, which was intensely active here up through the 80s, until Tim McVeigh and Company’s visits here drew way too much Federal attention to the rural areas where most of the Pudyankers and Dragon wannabees hung out. They either found better things to do, or moved - mostly to western states.
Racism is everywhere, sadly. But the notion that it is somehow more prevalent or endemic to the South is itself a form of bigotry.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:41:13am |
re: #177 rwmofo
I lived in FL for eight years. In many diners there was a license-plate sized sign that said “We will charge an extra $5 to listen to how much bigger, better and cheaper things are UP NORTH.” I’ve lived in several states and an easy default observation is for people to say southerners are racists or “they’re still fighting the civil war.” My view, from listening to people all over suggest this notion, is that when they go to the south, or anywhere really, and say “X is bigger, better or cheaper where I come from,” they don’t realize that they could be perceived as saying “We’re better than you.” In some cases it’s done unwittingly, but this is not a good way to make friends.
I had a guy stop me on the street just yesterday to explain that he was from ‘north of Dallas’, and they didn’t have the chirping signals that let the blind know it’s safe to cross the street there. Actually he referred to the birdie noises as ‘crap’. So I must protest that it is not only non-Southerners who feel a need to comment.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:41:20am |
re: #174 SixDegrees
I missed Charles’ comments in this regard. Although plausible, I frankly think it’s unlikely.
Soon after the election Crazy Pam had a theory that Obama was replacing painting in the oval office with African landscapes (not kidding).
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:41:28am |
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:41:34am |
re: #109 ralphieboy
Census workers should be required to add the question “How Many Honduran Sex slaves have you registered as dependents upon ACORN’s advice?”
hahahhahaahahhahahhaaa
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:41:42am |
re: #173 Flyers1974
… The conservatives have made very little honest effort to even address and acknowledge the past or their role in the past - instead claiming the Democrats bought Blacks loyalty with petty favors, i.e., social programs.
This is true. I know many African-Americans, and I know that in conversation with them, it’s apparent that at their core, they are religiously motivated to hold many conservative values, but they would always vote Dem. I used to wonder why. I no longer do, after seeing what the R’s are doing these days. It’s disgusting.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:42:12am |
re: #190 MandyManners
The only place I’ve ever encountered that attitude was Seattle.
Austin. There’s a real palpable hatred for Californians here, with their fancy fusion cuisine and pockets full of cheap inflated dollars from the sale of their two room tumbledown shacks back in Cali that can buy a nice ranch out in the hill country, but instead gets pissed away building more condos that look exactly like the places they fled in shrieking terror a few years earlier.
And they talk funny.
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rwmofo Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:43:21am |
re: #181 MandyManners
One ill-considered response is that the road that brought them down to the South can just as easily take them back up to the North.
Heh.
…which has been suggested right about the time words no longer make the point.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:43:35am |
OT ,,
OUCH
Virginia Tech,,, 40
Boston College,,Still on the bus!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:43:39am |
re: #193 Killgore Trout
Soon after the election Crazy Pam had a theory that Obama was replacing painting in the oval office with African landscapes (not kidding).
Was he also going to play the soundtrack from “The Lion King” incessently? Put “Hakuna Matata” on the Seal?
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:45:16am |
re: #179 Charles
Given that there’s no reason to bring this up in the first place in a discussion on art - or even in a bad monologue on art like that over at Malkin’s place - I would agree that it’s an attempt to stir shit on her part. And I’m sure that there will be those willing to take the time to glance at some of the pieces, maybe even Google some of the artists, and make much of this.
And the shit-flingers will inevitably do as they’re told and start whooping and shrieking about this, too.
But I still think it’s doubtful that many in that crowd bothered to actually research the art or artists in question themselves. They couldn’t even be bothered to read the damn catalog when it was right there in front of them, complete with an excerpt that completely undermined the claim of plagiarism.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:45:19am |
re: #173 Flyers1974
generally speaking, as opposed to individual conservatives) have no room to complain. They openly played the race card (i.e., “states’ rights”) and when no longer politically convenient, switched tracks, to the “we’re a colorblind society” and any remedial measures are “reverse racism.” Conservatives rarely seem to portray racism in its proper context - instead noting that slavery ended in 1865, there was some sort of problem in the 1960’s or something, and everything is fine today - without ever addressing what happened between 1865 and say, the 1970’s. As for those who claimed current racial attitudes are exaggerated, - and I was among them - the current meltdown and moments of honesty on the right seems to have proved that theory wrong. The conservatives have made very little honest effort to even address and acknowledge the past or their role in the past - instead claiming the Democrats bought Blacks loyalty with petty favors, i.e., social programs.
That seems like a stereotyping of conservatives. Many remedial measures are reverse racism that flies in the face of MLK’s greatest contribution, his ‘content of character’ statement.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:47:18am |
re: #203 MandyManners
The first place I ever heard “Californication” was in Bellevue.
You’re making that up. I don’t Belle vue!
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:47:47am |
re: #203 MandyManners
The first place I ever heard “Californication” was in Bellevue.
That’s where the disease began. Had public health authorities taken rigorous measures early on, we Austinites might have been spared the nameless horror of Mahi-mahi enchiladas with mango cream sauce.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:48:56am |
re: #202 BigPapa
That seems like a stereotyping of conservatives. Many remedial measures are reverse racism that flies in the face of MLK’s greatest contribution, his ‘content of character’ statement.
It may be stereotyping, but I have encountered many conservatives (even on LGF) who seem unwilling or unable to discuss these issues without getting angry or dismissive to a degree that really does seem somewhat, uh, prejudicial to me. This is not to say that the liberal world does not have its own specific racial shit, but it is true.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:49:02am |
When you go shopping, any one of the thousands of other people you pass on the street COULD be a rapist murderer child molester communist spy alien robot one of THEM!
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Flyers1974 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:49:20am |
re: #196 reine.de.tout
This is true. I know many African-Americans, and I know that in conversation with them, it’s apparent that at their core, they are religiously motivated to hold many conservative values, but they would always vote Dem. I used to wonder why. I no longer do, after seeing what the R’s are doing these days. It’s disgusting.
I’d also say that since the late 60’s early 70’s, there has been no political need for the Republican Party to address these issues. And this may still be true as of today. But demographic realities may eventually prove that this was a long-term loser, politically speaking.
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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:49:44am |
re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist
Jesus, that’s a long and winding road. Let me sum it up:
“Our working-class white folks here in the south may sometimes be a little too plain-spoken, but they have been exploited by Eastern liberal eee-leeets for so long that they must express their righteous anger in some way. Of course, my blessed mother would have called them white trash for it, but I feel called upon to defend them, if not their language from the eee-leeets. Also, Charles Johnson is evil.”
Is that basically what he just said?
I think this is the nut of his “defense”:
Frankly there are times when a Southerner is tempted to surrender to the stereotype: “Fine. You call me a racist no matter what I do or say, so I’ll go ahead and be as racist as you think I am.”This, I believe, is the temptation to which Patrick Lanzo has succumbed or, if not, it’s part of his appeal to whoever the customers of his restaurant are.
And he wrote about the same guy earlier, quoting him:
Pat Lanzo insists he’s not a racist.
“I believe people are equal,” he says, “As long as they earn their keep as well as me.”
Nevertheless, the proprietor of The Peach bar and restaurant in Paulding County says that people often mistakenly assume he’s a racist.
The main reason, he says, are the signs he posts outside his restaurant. “Damn Yankees May Have Taken Our N—-rs But Not Our Guns,” said one. “Obama Gives Us Hope Dreams and Maybe A New Holiday — Thats My N—-r” read another.
“The minute someone says the N-word, you’re labeled racist,” he explains.
Apparently, this bar is like a racist tourist attraction. Check the website for it.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:50:06am |
re: #175 Charles
Robert Stacy McCain has posted a twisted defense of the Georgia bar owner with the racist sign (includes ad hominem attacks against me, of course):
[Link: rsmccain.blogspot.com…]
From the link:
Frankly there are times when a Southerner is tempted to surrender to the stereotype: “Fine. You call me a racist no matter what I do or say, so I’ll go ahead and be as racist as you think I am.”
Wow! That’s the exact same excuse that was used to explain ethnic nationalism in europe. All the poor skinheads were being called nazis anyways, so why not call themselves a nazi?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:50:43am |
re: #205 Guanxi88
That’s where the disease began. Had public health authorities taken rigorous measures early on, we Austinites might have been spared the nameless horror of Mahi-mahi enchiladas with mango cream sauce.
Hey! That’s good eatin’!
//I’m sorry the yuppies fled the state and came to you. But we don’t want them back anyway.
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SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:50:55am |
re: #193 Killgore Trout
Soon after the election Crazy Pam had a theory that Obama was replacing painting in the oval office with African landscapes (not kidding).
And…that was a bad thing according to her, right?
Idiot. I may have to resurrect my mammary insults, since I can’t afford to haul her to Africa and rub her nose in Mt. Kilimanjaro or Victoria Falls.
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Ojoe Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:52:16am |
I’ve gone back to the Whigs.
/Channeling Lincoln
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:52:30am |
re: #173 Flyers1974
I chose to look something up in an unbalanced way. After reading one too many rightwing=racist commentary, I looked up “Democrat racism”. Google.
Maybe I was just angry at the time. Anyway I found some surprising facts, new to me. This link-I have no idea of who these guys are or about their funding, please accept that caveat
gopcapitalist.tripod.com
and this timeline-same caveat
nodnc.com
my point is racism prejudice and bigotry are not so simple as to fall on one party. It cycles around. Right now the right “looks” good for the accusation. For a 9/11 moment we all risked it re the Arabs. Then we inhaled and thought it out. Analogy-about that decade chart wiggle drop in temperatures that occurs within the longer term warming…
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abbyadams Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:53:25am |
re: #166 Rightwingconspirator
I would say that, given the amount of time that passes between each census, that no, things are not the same as they were twenty, thirty, or forty years ago. If you consider the changing political climate, coupled with Republican elected officials who are saying things like this, then no, I cannot agree that there is the same amount of risk this time, as opposed to other times.
(I cannot, of course, speak for all parts of the country. In some places, it is apparent that mistrust of all things government is constant. )
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Ojoe Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:53:45am |
re: #215 Rightwingconspirator
The Dems voted on party lines against the 13th amendment, once. You can find this fact in the book, Team of Rivals.
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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:54:41am |
re: #213 Guanxi88
Heh, misspelled “Original” as “Origional”
Dude, it says “under construction”! Give the guy a break! He’ll finish it right after he finishes third grade!
//
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reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:55:31am |
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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:55:55am |
re: #218 MandyManners
Are those peaches or testicles?
Those were not the body parts I thought of first…
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jaunte Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:56:31am |
re: #220 reine.de.tout
Looks like he’s from the “no public relations is bad public relations” school.
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abbyadams Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:56:42am |
re: #216 abbyadams
(Adding that of course there is some inherent risk every time anyone selling something or collecting for something or whatever goes to some one’s door.)
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Flyers1974 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:57:18am |
re: #202 BigPapa
That seems like a stereotyping of conservatives. Many remedial measures are reverse racism that flies in the face of MLK’s greatest contribution, his ‘content of character’ statement.
It’s definitely a generalization and not meant to apply to any individual. In my personal life experience and based upon observation and reading conservative-liberal discussions, I think the generalization is appropriate. And I appreciate the “Content of Character” argument, indeed I agree that is how things should be. However, was it fair to go from a situation where content of character was ignored regarding blacks, to overnight adhering to same? The analogy would be the Soviet Union and Communism - we all agree capitalism is best, but should Russia have gone from communism to pure capitalism with no transition?
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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:57:20am |
re: #220 reine.de.tout
That guy apparently makes his living with that crap.
I’ve seen these sorts of bars, no respectable person would be caught dead in ‘em.
I did not realize “racist” was a tourist attraction. I can see it, though. RS McCain is not unique.
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:57:27am |
re: #162 Killgore Trout
I hope Regards Brian enjoys the fleas.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:57:31am |
re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist
It may be stereotyping, but I have encountered many conservatives (even on LGF) who seem unwilling or unable to discuss these issues without getting angry or dismissive to a degree that really does seem somewhat, uh, prejudicial to me. This is not to say that the liberal world does not have its own specific racial shit, but it is true.
I don’t disagree in the least. But Flyer seemed to hold conservatism and conservatives accountable for falling down on dealing with race issues, explained by the coming out of the woodwork racists today, vastly conservatives.
Is conservatism to blame, or is it just outright ignorance and racism?
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wrenchwench Sat, Oct 10, 2009 11:59:53am |
re: #227 MandyManners
Good for her! You’d do the same if you had a daughter, I bet.
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Summer Seale Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:01:28pm |
re: #209 wrenchwench
Apparently, this bar is like a racist tourist attraction. Check the website for it.
On the menu section, the motto is: “We cater to hangins”.
And in the background are racist engravings of black babies climbing around tree limbs.
Also, if you look on the about page, you’ll see a picture of a klansman pissing on a “nappy haired” Obama.
This guy is a fucking racist and R.S. McCain is a total fucking asshole for defending him in any way whatsoever.
But I already knew R.S. McCain is an asshole since a while now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:03:02pm |
re: #227 MandyManners
When I was a teen, my momma’ took away my UT shirt that said, “WELCOME TO BIG ORGANGE COUNTRY” with the strategic placement of two oranges.
Your momma is a smart woman. But you probably knew that.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:03:17pm |
re: #224 Flyers1974
It’s definitely a generalization and not meant to apply to any individual. In my personal life experience and based upon observation and reading conservative-liberal discussions, I think the generalization is appropriate. And I appreciate the “Content of Character” argument, indeed I agree that is how things should be. However, was it fair to go from a situation where content of character was ignored regarding blacks, to overnight adhering to same? The analogy would be the Soviet Union and Communism - we all agree capitalism is best, but should Russia have gone from communism to pure capitalism with no transition?
Hm… It seems that you’re saying that to transition from some period and mindset of racism we need to go through an alternate racism situation (‘remedies’) to get to a better place, being of no racism.
To put it simply and bluntly, to fight racism with racism.
Is that a correct interpretation?
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Flyers1974 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:04:45pm |
re: #228 BigPapa
I don’t disagree in the least. But Flyer seemed to hold conservatism and conservatives accountable for falling down on dealing with race issues, explained by the coming out of the woodwork racists today, vastly conservatives.
Is conservatism to blame, or is it just outright ignorance and racism?
I don’t think conservatism is to blame - conservative parties can and do exist without needing or exploiting racial issues. In this country, there are many (most?) conservatives who are conservative regardless of or in spite of the race issue. But it has played a big role in modern US conservative politics and the conservatives (generally) have utterly failed to address same.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:04:47pm |
re: #232 BigPapa
Hm… It seems that you’re saying that to transition from some period and mindset of racism we need to go through an alternate racism situation (‘remedies’) to get to a better place, being of no racism.
To put it simply and bluntly, to fight racism with racism.
Is that a correct interpretation?
I can’t do this argument on a Saturday morning. I had a tough week. Sorry, you guys are on your own.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:05:26pm |
re: #218 MandyManners
Are those peaches or testicles?
I’ve got $1 that says the parking lot of that place is chock full of vehicles sporting truck nuts.
At least fake vomit and fake dog doo have important uses, but the way I see it the only real purpose of having a plastic scrotum on your pickup is to stand beside the truck with one festering buck-tooth emerging from your smug, genetically improbable grin as passersby wonder aloud what in the hell would compel a grown person to stick a fake nutsack on their Ford F150.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:05:36pm |
re: #230 Summer
This guy is a fucking racist and R.S. McCain is a total fucking asshole for defending him in any way whatsoever.
Not to quibble, but I think you’re incorrect. Your forgot ignorant in there somewhere.
Other than that, yes.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:06:04pm |
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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:06:17pm |
Good Republicans I CAN (and will) trust with my vote:
Mitt Romney
Mark Kirk
Fiscally conservative, socially moderate, with good values that I have been privy to so far. Republicans could be doing so much better if they would only silence the fringe (Pawlenty, Palin, Jindle, and others) and focus on the immoral bankruptcy that is taking place and not on the polarizing issues such as creationism, birthers, character assassinations, abortion and such that they are doing right now.
Everyone gets what it means to have a budget and stick to it, not everyone gets how a dinosaur and a man can live at the same time.
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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:07:01pm |
re: #240 lone_wolf_in_illinois
Good Republicans I CAN (and will) trust with my vote:
Mitt Romney
Mark KirkFiscally conservative, socially moderate, with good values that I have been privy to so far. Republicans could be doing so much better if they would only silence the fringe (Pawlenty, Palin, Jindle, and others) and focus on the immoral bankruptcy that is taking place and not on the polarizing issues such as creationism, birthers, character assassinations, abortion and such that they are doing right now.
Everyone gets what it means to have a budget and stick to it, not everyone gets how a dinosaur and a man can live at the same time.
I forgot to add protection of Israel and fighting the islamofacists.
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Flyers1974 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:07:59pm |
re: #232 BigPapa
Hm… It seems that you’re saying that to transition from some period and mindset of racism we need to go through an alternate racism situation (‘remedies’) to get to a better place, being of no racism.
To put it simply and bluntly, to fight racism with racism.
Is that a correct interpretation?
Strictly speaking perhaps you are correct, if a program is based on race regardless of intent - but my argument is if the government was a part of the problem, aiding and abetting racism, and if racism was so invasive as to affect every area of life, only government intervention can remedy same, at least in a timely fashion.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:08:07pm |
re: #228 BigPapa
I don’t disagree in the least. But Flyer seemed to hold conservatism and conservatives accountable for falling down on dealing with race issues, explained by the coming out of the woodwork racists today, vastly conservatives.
Is conservatism to blame, or is it just outright ignorance and racism?
How would you explain the fact that so many “conservative” blogs have lined up to take the side of Robert Stacy McCain, despite the documented proof that he writes for outright white supremacist websites and has neo-Nazis as friends?
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:08:54pm |
re: #216 abbyadams
Thanks. Compliments to your family and friends who do the work. Your folks can keep the reality above the MSM or blogger perceptions.
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Political Atheist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:10:20pm |
re: #240 lone_wolf_in_illinois
Good Republicans I CAN (and will) trust with my vote:
Love this line! Ding.
Everyone gets what it means to have a budget and stick to it, not everyone gets how a dinosaur and a man can live at the same time.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:14:51pm |
re: #240 lone_wolf_in_illinois
not everyone gets how a dinosaur and a man can live at the same time.
Simple
A very very very old dinosaur and a ver very very young man!
/
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:15:16pm |
re: #233 Flyers1974
But it has played a big role in modern US conservative politics and the conservatives (generally) have utterly failed to address same.
Race has played a significant role in the politics of both parties, neither party have done a good job of dealing with it. It seems as if you are saying the Democratic party has done a good job and the conservatives/conservatism didn’t, and that position is proved by the nutters coming out of the woodwork from the right today.
I disagree with that. If you had said that the Democrats did a better job than the GOP in the last 30 years in dealing with racial issues, I would disagree with that too. I would say the Democrats tried harder and were very clumsy at it, and they damn well played racial politics to put forth their party. That’s not necessarily evil or sinister at all, they believe their positions are better for all. So, I could agree they tried harder and the GOP maybe hasn’t tried as hard.
Maybe you posit that is because of all the racist nutters that were still there, case in point the massive sowing of oats today. Maybe.
But it’s not conservatives or conservatism.
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Gus Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:16:05pm |
Every time I hear people like Rep. Chaffetz such as this I shake my head and think to myself “this is the alternative?” We don’t need a 3rd party we need a 4th party only because the 3rd party slot has been taken over as it were.
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Tiny alien kittens are watching you Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:17:42pm |
The only way a census worker is going to be visiting your door now that the GPS survey is over is if you do not fill out and return the form. (or if your one of those few households selected every year for the detailed demographic survey)
There is no “Long form” survey as part of the ten year census anymore, the census bureau got rid of it. Instead they now do constant interview sampling of a small percentage of homes every year, not just once every ten years. That is what the census worker who was recently killed was employed to do, he was one of the people who did the newer continuous detailed demographic surveys.
Unfortunately with all the anti-census hype being thrown around I’m afraid that those people the census workers least want to come into contact with will be the ones refusing to fill out and return the form. I do hope that we don’t see more violence come from this…
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:20:47pm |
I thought I recognized this guy’s name. here’s a story from right after he got elected:
He SLEEPS in his office and does not have an apartment in DC. Sounds like a bit of a loon.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:21:27pm |
OT - maybe the idea of permitting the Taliban to partner up in afghanistan ain’t so crazy as it sounds. After all, they’ve just taken control of the Pakistani army headquarters:
yeah, I don’t think there’s anything to worry about. They’re just a regional threat, no danger to their neighbors or anyone but themselves.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:21:37pm |
re: #244 Charles
How would you explain the fact that so many “conservative” blogs have lined up to take the side of Robert Stacy McCain, despite the documented proof that he writes for outright white supremacist websites and has neo-Nazis as friends?
There’s no denying that many of the NeoNutters are on conservative websites nowadays. But when you get that far out there you get much closer to the bottom of the circle, and throw in the sports team mentality on top of that.
Is conservatism the cause, or merely that racist nutters more closely align to conservatism than liberalism?
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KingKenrod Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:21:53pm |
re: #228 BigPapa
I don’t disagree in the least. But Flyer seemed to hold conservatism and conservatives accountable for falling down on dealing with race issues, explained by the coming out of the woodwork racists today, vastly conservatives.
Is conservatism to blame, or is it just outright ignorance and racism?
For racists, the result of the civil rights movement was government forcing whites to associate (against their will) with blacks. They naturally reject this expansion of government power and are attracted to anti-government ideology, and racism is the root of much anti-government sentiment.
Modern liberals tend to see things in terms of class and economic inequality - inequality partially brought about by a white racist system. I’m not surprised racists are repulsed by that.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:23:35pm |
The referrers list is interesting these days. Lots of traffic from a very wide variety of sources.
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:25:09pm |
re: #253 _RememberTonyC
I thought I recognized this guy’s name. here’s a story from right after he got elected:
[Link: www.associatedcontent.com…]
He SLEEPS in his office and does not have an apartment in DC. Sounds like a bit of a loon.
He’s not the only one:
In Washington, Chaffetz will join as many as 40 frugal congressmen who help keep costs down by sleeping in their offices. While many members and office staffers remain mum on the devoted congressmen, there are a handful of Republicans who are known to sleep in their office: Jeff Flake of Arizona, Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, Denny Rehberg of Montana, Lee Terry of Nebraska and John Sullivan of Oklahoma.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:26:06pm |
re: #256 KingKenrod
For racists, the result of the civil rights movement was government forcing whites to associate (against their will) with blacks. They naturally reject this expansion of government power and are attracted to anti-government ideology, and racism is the root of much anti-government sentiment.
Modern liberals tend to see things in terms of class and economic inequality - inequality partially brought about by a white racist system. I’m not surprised racists are repulsed by that.
Very cogent. Contrast that with my experience watching and reading white supremacist stuff: if they were left to their own devices and concluded their racial purges, they seem to want a semi-socialist society, as long as it’s all just white people.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:26:16pm |
re: #253 _RememberTonyC
I thought I recognized this guy’s name. here’s a story from right after he got elected:
[Link: www.associatedcontent.com…]
He SLEEPS in his office and does not have an apartment in DC. Sounds like a bit of a loon.
Actually, I wish more of them did something similar. Perhaps if they weren’t so embedded in the DC social culture, they would focus on doing their jobs and going ‘home’ after a term or two
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:26:41pm |
re: #258 MandyManners
Sounds like someone who likes to live within his means.
If his means don’t allow enough money for a place to live, I wonder about his priorities.
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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:28:14pm |
re: #257 Killgore Trout
Remember when Charles put up the blog content analysis that said what part of the political spectrum that LGF was?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:29:48pm |
re: #264 lone_wolf_in_illinois
I don’t remember that one.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:30:04pm |
re: #260 Racer X
I think the whole thing is a bit odd … but maybe I’m the one who is clueless
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:30:08pm |
re: #263 _RememberTonyC
If his means don’t allow enough money for a place to live, I wonder about his priorities.
DC is a very expensive city to live in (relative to where he and the othres listed above come from) On a congressmans salary, with a home and family back in state to pay for, perhaps it tells us they’re not snorking at the PAC and corruption trough!
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:31:44pm |
re: #265 MandyManners
I wonder what a condo or apartment goes for in the D.C. area. Are only rich people allowed to be representatives or senators?
if given the choice between getting a roommate to save money or sleeping in my office, I think I’d get a roommate … but maybe his office is the size of an apartment and is OK.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:31:55pm |
Co-Operate -
And beyond that - increase your numbers by a factor of 2 - OR MORE! This is HOW Congressional Districts are formed. BE - THE ANTI-ACORN - in fact, multiply by a factor of 5. Screw the Census. It has been set against you by the Obama Administration. LIE - Bigger than THEY EVER would have imagined.Turnabout IS Fair Play!
-S-
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:32:31pm |
re: #268 sattv4u2
DC is a very expensive city to live in (relative to where he and the othres listed above come from) On a congressmans salary, with a home and family back in state to pay for, perhaps it tells us they’re not snorking at the PAC and corruption trough!
I guess …
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:34:00pm |
re: #271 _RememberTonyC
I guess …
OT
BC got their ass kicked by Virginia Tech
georgia is being manhandled by Tennessee!
Do the Sox start the playoffs soon!?!?!
/
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Sharmuta Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:34:33pm |
re: #257 Killgore Trout
The referrers list is interesting these days. Lots of traffic from a very wide variety of sources.
Wow- 430+ hits from a link in PZ Meyer’s comment section. I’m impress.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:35:10pm |
re: #258 MandyManners
Sounds like someone who likes to live within his means.
That was Mark Sanford’s schtick too, sleeping in the office. I don’t think it’s healthy.
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:35:13pm |
re: #269 _RememberTonyC
if given the choice between getting a roommate to save money or sleeping in my office, I think I’d get a roommate … but maybe his office is the size of an apartment and is OK.
I wonder why they don’t all live in a dormitory or something nearby? I guess most members of congress feel they are above that.
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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:35:17pm |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
I think that it was prior to the election. I couldn’t find it in the search. I wanted to see if the link to the site was still up and if their analysis was current.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:36:01pm |
re: #276 Racer X
I wonder why they don’t all live in a dormitory or something nearby? I guess most members of congress feel they are above that.
Two words
BARNEY FRANK!!
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:36:31pm |
re: #265 MandyManners
I wonder what a condo or apartment goes for in the D.C. area. Are only rich people allowed to be representatives or senators?
Perhaps these guys could have some sort of dorm built? Like a firehouse, but for reps. Chip in on groceries.
| 280 |
HoosierHoops Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:36:34pm |
re: #272 sattv4u2
OT
BC got their ass kicked by Virginia Tech
georgia is being manhandled by Tennessee!
Do the Sox start the playoffs soon!?!?!
/
Ok Ok.. This is the best season of the year for sports..
NFL football..The World Series.. NBA preseason and the WNBA championship..
We need a beer run here
| 282 |
SixDegrees Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:38:58pm |
re: #209 wrenchwench
Apparently, this bar is like a racist tourist attraction. Check the website for it.
This reminded me of an incident that happened here several years ago. There was a similar bar a couple hours north of Detroit, at least as far as the clientele went; they weren’t quite as overt, but when a gay couple from the city happened in one night, they were made very uncomfortable. Nothing violent - just overt insults loudly directed at them.
Like most bars in the area, this one made a huge amount of money during deer hunting season. That fall, a large contingent of gays from Detroit swarmed the place every weekend during the season, taking up space, drinking unprofitable beverages and doing so very slowly, while hitting on the locals. It turned into an annual event, the original owners sold, and the regulars drifted back into whatever woodwork they had crawled out of.
Sometimes, direct confrontation is the right approach.
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Gus Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:39:58pm |
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:40:02pm |
re: #271 _RememberTonyC
TonyC -
Lived in the DC Area - It IS Expensive - The Equal of NY - IF - you have NO TAX GIMMICK. Most Folks Down there have at least ONE if they think about it. Go from there. That is all.
-S-
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:40:12pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
Perhaps these guys could have some sort of dorm built? Like a firehouse, but for reps. Chip in on groceries.
Maybe Charlei Rangle has several unreported rental income condos he could donate
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:41:51pm |
re: #278 sattv4u2
satt4u2 -
Question? Would you want to be the “R.A.” for Barney Frank? - Not ME! That is all.
-S-
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:42:33pm |
re: #269 _RememberTonyC
if given the choice between getting a roommate to save money or sleeping in my office, I think I’d get a roommate … but maybe his office is the size of an apartment and is OK.
I just think you’d lack a certain privacy, or ability to unwind.
| 288 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:43:22pm |
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:49:06pm |
re: #253 _RememberTonyC
I thought I recognized this guy’s name. here’s a story from right after he got elected:
[Link: www.associatedcontent.com…]
He SLEEPS in his office and does not have an apartment in DC. Sounds like a bit of a loon.
Maybe he is just trying to avoid those even census takers. Is he in the homeless category then?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:49:23pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
Huh? Is he a loud snorer?
Can you imagine the sound if he did, knowing what his voice is like!
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debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:52:33pm |
Has the Walken census routine from SNL been posted?
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:53:35pm |
re: #285 sattv4u2
sattv4u2 -
Charley Rangel IS a Tax Cheat, He is also a “KorVette” - i.e. a Korean Veteran, who served - With Honor - on the Korean Front in the early 1950’s. Charley’s problem - IS - He figures that his Korean Service makes up for ANYTHING he has done since then. As far as I am concerned - NOT EXACTLY!
-S-
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avspatti Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:00:27pm |
OT, but about the census … how much are we required to answer exactly? For example, on the ethnicity question, I always write in “American”. I plan to do that again.
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dugmartsch Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:00:49pm |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
They never dug that there are parts of the constitution they like, and parts they don’t like, and they’re bound by both.
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:04:11pm |
re: #296 FreeRadical
When they ask you anything other than the number of people in your house, your answer is ‘go to hell’. Go to hell. Go to hell. Go to hell. Go to hell. Go to hell. Go to hell. Go to hell… Okay, you get it, a visit from the census is a one question and answer exercise. The only other answer a true American gives is: is GO TO HELL.
Rats, there I go being a false American again… I suck at this game. Is there like a rulebook I missed somewhere?
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dugmartsch Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:05:50pm |
re: #51 MandyManners
This would be worthy of conservative outrage.
Of course it happened under bush, so i guess plan b is fear-mongering.
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swamprat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:07:29pm |
re: #296 FreeRadical
I don’t know what to make of your post. I am reporting it to let Charles decide.
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Racer X Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:09:48pm |
re: #296 FreeRadical
Oh come on.
If I were a census worker and someone did that to me I would call the police. I would think they were hiding a teenaged girl in the basement.
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wee fury Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:12:59pm |
Census takers … come to my house. Count me. I’ll even offer you ice cream and coffee.
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Kronocide Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:14:24pm |
re: #300 swamprat
Next time I’m not sure of my American’ess, I’ll ask an impending flouncee.
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:15:02pm |
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swamprat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:16:13pm |
FreeRadical
Karma: -14
Registered since: Apr 3, 2007 at 6:57 pm
(Logged in)
No. of comments posted: 10
No. of links posted: 0
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:21:01pm |
re: #302 wee fury
wee fury -
Oh - Census Taker, representative of the current Caesar, Come Ye to MY House. I shall inflate the number of residents by a minimal factor of 5. When you are presented with an ACORN Census Taker, as you very well might be.
Lie like Hell. They will diminish your stated numbers by half. 2.5 x1 - still equals 2.5. That is al.
-S-
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:25:47pm |
re: #304 Tungsten
Tungsten -
ALL I had to see was “Table of Contents” - ANY and ALL self respecting Americans should answer “RACIAL” questions the way I have for the last 3 Censuses - which is to say - “other.” That is all.
-S-
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:25:50pm |
re: #296 FreeRadical
After checking out some of your previous comments, you are cordially invited to piss off.
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staplegun Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:26:29pm |
The census is a joke - I have never participated and avoid at all costs
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:30:49pm |
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:30:58pm |
Sad that for all the stupidity the (R)’s are doing… they still trump the (D)’s…
But they are leveling the playing field and making up for lost time quickly! It’s a race to the bottom and (R)’s are realizing they need to be in it to win it!
Hooray!
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Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:31:49pm |
re: #311 staplegun
The census is a joke - I have never participated and avoid at all costs
Don’t worry about it. We’ll let them know where you hang out.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:32:04pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:32:58pm |
re: #311 staplegun
You’ve had an account for a year and a half and that’s your first comment?
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:33:28pm |
re: #309 Dr. Shalit
Tungsten -
ALL I had to see was “Table of Contents” - ANY and ALL self respecting Americans should answer “RACIAL” questions the way I have for the last 3 Censuses - which is to say - “other.” That is all.
-S-
Man! I am really going down hill here. Not only am I a false American I have no self respect. -sigh- Is other the same as Go To Hell? You guys seem to be leading me in opposite directions. If I answer Go To Hell I can be a true American with no self respect, but if I answer other to questions about race I can be a self respecting false American. This census stuff is much more complicated than I thought it was…
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swamprat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:35:21pm |
incoming anti- census socks/
brace for anti-government rhetoric
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:36:38pm |
re: #310 Charles
After checking out some of your previous comments, you are cordially invited to piss off.
Rats… I was just getting ready to reply to that one… /pout
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:39:51pm |
re: #11 MandyManners
1,800 have criminal backgrounds
750 have been convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter
re: #30 iceweasel
See No. 23
re: #32 MandyManners
I’ll go by the GAO account.
What the GAO report actually says:
Of the 1,800 workers with criminal records, approximately 750 (42 percent) were terminated or were further reviewed because the Bureau determined their criminal records—which included crimes such as rape, manslaughter, and child abuse—disqualified them from census employment.
So 750 were convicted of crimes serious enough to disqualify them, an unspecified subset of which included the crimes of “rape, manslaughter, and child abuse.” The GAO report does not include the term “pedophilia”, which specifically describes sexual abuse against prepubescent children and is not an acceptable synonym for “child abuse” a much broader catch all term for crimes against minors.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:40:15pm |
re: #309 Dr. Shalit
Tungsten -
ALL I had to see was “Table of Contents” - ANY and ALL self respecting Americans should answer “RACIAL” questions the way I have for the last 3 Censuses - which is to say - “other.” That is all.
-S-
Such information is relevant in many ways, regardless of your personal idealism. Are there any other questions you screw with for amusement?
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swamprat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:45:22pm |
Why do I have this feeling that this sudden anti- census sentiment has something to do with this being a thread against racism.
Say it with me. President Obama. Fairly elected and legitimate president of the United States.
Learn to love it.
As for the racists;
“We doan need yoah kind ‘round heah.”
Maybe you can go somewhere else, where you can be with others like yourself, where you’ll be more comfortable.
| 325 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:49:46pm |
re: #272 sattv4u2
OT
BC got their ass kicked by Virginia Tech
georgia is being manhandled by Tennessee!
Do the Sox start the playoffs soon!?!?!
/
tomorrow at noon … we hope!
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:50:01pm |
re: #322 Naso Tang
Such information is relevant in many ways, regardless of your personal idealism. Are there any other questions you screw with for amusement?
Based on this advice I am thinking about writing all the numbers in some abstract mathematical terminology like Arabic. That’ll fix um!
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Gus Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:55:46pm |
Excerpt from the text of the GAO report:
Consistent with FBI guidance, the Bureau relied solely on the results
of the name background check for the nearly 36,000 employees with
unclassifiable prints.[Footnote 13] However, it is possible that more
than 200 people with unclassifiable prints had disqualifying criminal
records but still worked, and had contact with the public during
address canvassing.[Footnote 14] Indeed, of the prints that could be
processed, fingerprint results identified approximately 1,800 temporary
workers (1.1 percent of total hires) with criminal records that name
check alone failed to identify. Of the 1,800 workers with criminal
records, approximately 750 (42 percent) were terminated or were further
reviewed because the Bureau determined their criminal records—which
included crimes such as rape, manslaughter, and child abuse—
disqualified them from census employment.Projecting these percentages to the 35,700 temporary employees with
unclassifiable prints, it is possible that more than 200 temporary
census employees might have had criminal records that would have made
them ineligible for census employment. Applying these same percentages
to the approximately 600,000 people the Bureau plans to fingerprint for
nonresponse follow-up, unless the problems with fingerprinting are
addressed, we estimate that approximately 785 employees with
unclassifiable prints could have disqualifying criminal records but
still end up working for the Bureau.[Footnote 15]Footnotes:
[13] The Bureau will refingerprint employees with unclassifiable prints
if they are rehired for another operation.[14] The Bureau uses its adjudication criteria to determine if
applicants’ criminal history background present an unacceptable risk to
the Census.[15] The approximately 600,000 workers to be fingerprinted for
nonresponse follow-up include over 570,000 enumerators and other field
staff, such as crew leaders and field operation supervisors.
So we’re looking at a projected 785 for the 600,000 workers.
785/600,000 X 100 = 0.131 percent.
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swamprat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:57:01pm |
Trying to get worked up about the census…
Nothing happening yet.
Still nothing.
Wait.
Nope..
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Gus Sat, Oct 10, 2009 1:58:04pm |
Forgot the link. Link to text version of GAO report.
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Gus Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:00:01pm |
re: #328 swamprat
Trying to get worked up about the census…
Nothing happening yet.
Still nothing.Wait.
Nope..
0.131 percent!
Run for the hills!
//
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:00:06pm |
re: #323 swamprat
Why do I have this feeling that this sudden anti- census sentiment has something to do with this being a thread against racism.
Say it with me. President Obama. Fairly elected and legitimate president of the United States.
Learn to love it.As for the racists;
“We doan need yoah kind ‘round heah.”
Maybe you can go somewhere else, where you can be with others like yourself, where you’ll be more comfortable.
It would require a much greater effort than what he has put forth at the moment for me to ‘Learn to love it.’ In fact..he is distancing himself from my ‘fiscal love’ quite nicely and as I expected as did Pres. Bush.
Hooray for 2nd stimulus!
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swamprat Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:02:30pm |
re: #330 Gus 802
Maybe I’ll get some sort of epiphany from the the hammock.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:03:56pm |
re: #332 swamprat
Maybe I’ll get some sort of epiphany from the the hammock.
have you tried drinking? I find that can often help work me up into a rage. I’ll suggest raw gin, the cheaper the better.
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Tungsten Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:04:05pm |
re: #328 swamprat
Trying to get worked up about the census…
Nothing happening yet.
Still nothing.
Wait.
Nope..
But this is the very last census that will EVER be taken! 2012 Mayan end of the world
Anything now?
Buehler?
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Gus Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:04:21pm |
re: #332 swamprat
Maybe I’ll get some sort of epiphany from the the hammock.
Careful with the beer. I read somewhere once that 0.0131 percent of all beers contains a human pinkie.
//
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Guanxi88 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:07:37pm |
re: #331 Oh no…Sand People!
It would require a much greater effort than what he has put forth at the moment for me to ‘Learn to love it.’ In fact..he is distancing himself from my ‘fiscal love’ quite nicely and as I expected as did Pres. Bush.
Hooray for 2nd stimulus!
You think you hate it now, but just wait til you get the bill!
| 337 |
hawaii69 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:17:06pm |
re: #11 MandyManners
1,800 have criminal backgrounds
750 have been convicted of crimes such as rape, pedophilia and manslaughter
From the GAO report:
“Fingerprint results identified approximately 1,800 temporary workers (1.1 percent of total hires) with criminal records that name check alone
failed to identify. Of the 1,800 workers with criminal records,
approximately 750 (42 percent) were terminated or were further reviewed because the Bureau determined their criminal records—which included crimes such as rape, manslaughter, and child abuse, disqualified them from census employment.”
Those 750 people never worked for the Census.
| 338 |
tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:28:16pm |
re: #19 Racer X
True. But most of them aren’t going to be ringing our doorbells and saying ’ Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to ask you a few questions… may I come in please?’
The headline seems to be just so much hyperbole, meant to whip up the anti-census thing…but it’s still not cool that the government continues to botch security when it comes to big programs. The census story is just another example.
| 339 |
justthefacts916 Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:30:23pm |
Panic! Panic! People you don’t know will be occupying the same space you do! Fox News continues to keep people sacred. I wonder what their next angle will be. Will they start claiming, inaccurately, that Jehovah’s witnesses are actually former KGB spies trying to get information from you? If you believe the exact opposite that Fox News says, you will be logical.
| 341 |
tradewind Sat, Oct 10, 2009 2:38:19pm |
re: #339 justthefacts916
That’s a fairly illogical statement in itself.
| 342 |
debutaunt Sat, Oct 10, 2009 3:52:33pm |
re: #304 Tungsten
Here ya go:
It seems odd to me that the time my husband spent in the military is of no interest to this census.
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psyop Sat, Oct 10, 2009 4:00:59pm |
Simple case of fear-mongering. Totally crappy on his part.
Statistically speaking, any large group of people will contain a certain number of rapists and child molesters. He could have said that the crowd in Anaheim that watched the Angels beat the Red Sox contains rapists and child molesters, and been technically correct. The chances that any large group of people does not contain all sorts of nefarious characters is improbable to the extreme.
So, to single out one group to score political points is pretty dodgy, and possibly endangering census workers.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:21:00pm |
re: #342 debutaunt
It seems odd to me that the time my husband spent in the military is of no interest to this census.
Page 25.
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Proud to be an Infidel Sun, Oct 11, 2009 4:58:07am |
Goodness gracious, if a stranger happened to WINK at your toddler in the grocery store, just because he or she is…well…a toddler, Fox News would consider that child enticement and would want the offending person locked up for 5 years!
Perhaps I’m reading into things but child predator hysteria seems to dominate Fox News.
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akarra Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:43:09am |
re: #5 Guanxi88
Yeah, following up on your observation - I’ve noticed a lot of the more rabid right-wingers are very good at insinuation and distortion, and then attacking others on very specific points with the implication that the specifics are the most pertinent element of an argument.
It’s really very scary: it’s a bad habit that won’t go away. Leftist blogs still operate in this mode to a large degree, and it’s probably safe to say that the whole political blogosphere is a very troubling development for political discourse in large degree.
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