Fox News Plays Video Games Again
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Charles Johnson Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:18:31am |
And Fox News did run misleading footage.
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Obdicut Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:19:30am |
To repeat myself repeating someone else:
Okay, Fox is trolling us now.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:21:49am |
This is clearly another innocent error made by some underling in Fox's video editing department...///
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bosforus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:23:47am |
re: #1 Haole
She is drawing huge crowds.
Yeah, why didn't Fox just show some crowds from a sold out rock concert? A crowd was there, too!
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filetandrelease Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:24:16am |
That is just plain stupid and benefits no one.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:25:25am |
re: #1 Haole
She is drawing huge crowds.
How would anyone know? She is strictly excluding the media and non-believers from any event she appears at.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:25:41am |
Expecting truth from Fox News is just as reasonable as expecting bagels from Norv Turner.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:26:12am |
From the link.
"This was a production error in which the copy editor changed a script and didn't alert the control room to update the video,'' Michael Clemente, senior vice president of news at FOX, sad this evening. "There will be an on-air explanation during Happening Now on Thursday."
Sure it was. Now, what kinda story were they going to run that required file footage from last years presidential campaign?
/inquiring minds want to know
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OneMonkeysUncle Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:26:37am |
re: #4 Obdicut
"Trolling" implies they're doing it on purpose in this case... I submit that, in fact, this is how they have always done things, it's just being noticed and commented upon now...
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:30:17am |
I think this one is a mistake, unlike the Hannity stunt.
Here he refers to 'lines of people waiting you can see here in the video,' which ended up being file footage.
Nontroversy.
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webevintage Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:30:36am |
I'm shocked, shocked I say to find out that FOX is doing what they have always done...
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:32:03am |
re: #13 Ben Hur
When you make a habit out of it you lose the benefit of the doubt.
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McSpiff Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:32:14am |
re: #13 Ben Hur
Regardless of intent, I'm not sure I can trust the credibility of any organization that seems to be having a real hard time doing basic things, like labelling tapes.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:32:48am |
re: #16 MinisterO
When you make a habit out of it you lose the benefit of the doubt.
One intentional. One unintentional.
Sounds like a habit.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:33:19am |
re: #17 McSpiff
Regardless of intent, I'm not sure I can trust the credibility of any organization that seems to be having a real hard time doing basic things, like labelling tapes.
Or using photoshopped photos to smear.
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McSpiff Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:33:58am |
re: #19 Ben Hur
Or using photoshopped photos to smear.
I'd agree with that, but I'm not sure if you're referring to fox or someone else.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:35:39am |
re: #18 Ben Hur
One intentional. One unintentional.
Sounds like a habit.
Did you forget Hannity's Cuban hospital footage?
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:35:45am |
re: #20 McSpiff
I'd agree with that, but I'm not sure if you're referring to fox or someone else.
MSNBC.
They apologized.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:36:14am |
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:36:26am |
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erraticsphinx Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:36:44am |
Video/graphic errors happen at other networks too, it's just that at Fox they seem to happen quite often and almost always either portray Republicans in a positive and Democrats in a negative light.
Who remembers Mark Foley (D-FL) and Mark Sanford (D-FL)?
Heh.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:36:51am |
re: #17 McSpiff
Regardless of intent, I'm not sure I can trust the credibility of any organization that seems to be having a real hard time doing basic things, like labelling tapes.
FWIW, just this morning on BBC radio I heard a similar incident take place; the announcer segued to a clip that was introduced as someone in Namibia holding forth on dire conditions there, but what we heard was someone in Scotland yammering on about the beauty of some particular valley in the highlands. And our local public radio station makes similar gaffes on a regular basis.
Just sayin'. I haven't watched any television news shows for a couple of decades except incidentally - while at the airport, for example, and even then it's usually easy to find something else to do.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:37:06am |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:37:09am |
re: #3 bosforus
What she really needs is a laugh track.
At this point, I'm starting to feel like "Caribou Barbie" might be more true than false.
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KingKenrod Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:38:09am |
Fox should be renamed the "File Footage network", they spend half their time on it, even during opinion shows.
Obviously Gregg Jarrett didn't know what he was looking at - that's what happens when you go off teleprompter, Gregg.
Sort of related - Palin appearance gives Oprah her biggest audience in 2 years:
[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:38:26am |
re: #25 erraticsphinx
Video/graphic errors happen at other networks too, it's just that at Fox they seem to happen quite often and almost always either portray Republicans in a positive and Democrats in a negative light.
Who remembers Mark Foley (D-FL) and Mark Sanford (D-FL)?
Heh.
Foley was an R and Sanford is the R gubner of South Carolina.
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McSpiff Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:39:24am |
re: #26 SixDegrees
O I know. I just find it odd that all of fox's mistakes seem to make sense within the context of their reports. If they were talking about the size of the crowds, and show'd a video of a giraffe then fine. But that's not what's happening. I guess they just label tapes by topic: Animal, large crowd, etc.
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erraticsphinx Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:39:27am |
re: #32 Cannadian Club Akbar
I know, I was referring to Fox News' convenient typos on that fact.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:39:29am |
I'm not defending Hannity's stunt, because I think that was intentional.
I don't think this was intentional because of what the presenter says to see in the clip.
He was expecting to see lines of people waiting.
They've been showing those crowds and lines on other cable stations.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:39:30am |
Fox News is becoming the Ed Wood of news networks.
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avanti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:40:27am |
Just this A.M. they mistakenly showed a cover picture of the satire of Palin's book when discussing the real one. They put up "Going Rouge"
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bosforus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:40:49am |
re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Fox News is becoming the Ed Wood of news networks.
Except that 40-50 years later people still enjoy watching Ed Wood. And Ed Wood at least tried.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:41:58am |
re: #39 bosforus
Except that 40-50 years later people still enjoy watching Ed Wood. And Ed Wood at least tried.
True, but they are both awful and love their stock footage.
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bosforus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:43:00am |
re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
True, but they are both awful and love their stock footage.
The stock footage - very true!
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Racer X Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:43:43am |
re: #38 avanti
Just this A.M. they mistakenly showed a cover picture of the satire of Palin's book when discussing the real one. They put up "Going Rouge"
The incompetence is stunning.
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filetandrelease Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:44:45am |
You would think with all the money they are making they could afford to hire some decent help.
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avanti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:45:10am |
re: #43 Racer X
The incompetence is stunning.
In fairness, they caught and made a correction a few minutes later, calling it a "graphics error"
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Rexatosis Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:46:27am |
Bad editing is bad editing, and unfortunately it is epidemic across the entire media spectrum.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:48:44am |
re: #46 Rexatosis
Bad editing is bad editing, and unfortunately it is epidemic across the entire media spectrum.
That goes hand in hand with the deadlines imposed by live news coverage. At best, most stories are researched, written, assembled and edited all within a matter of hours - sometimes considerably less.
The same thing happens in print media, which is why all newspapers and news magazines have correction columns.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:48:50am |
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Racer X Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:49:23am |
Some of this can be attributed to deceit; way too much of it is incompetence.
Either way, heads need to roll.
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erraticsphinx Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:50:12am |
re: #48 MinisterO
I remember that. Everybody say it together...fair and balanced.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:51:15am |
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filetandrelease Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:51:33am |
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:52:04am |
Mistakes can certainly happen in the video production field; having dabbled around the industry's edges I have little doubt that this incident could have been the error of a solitary individual with no agenda other than overeagerness to please ones superiors with a fast (therefore, sloppy) turnaround. What's weird about FOX in this (and other past incidents), is that they are ignoring the incident, or in Hannity's recent case, blowing it off like it was no big deal. To be fair, MSNBC and other outlets haven't been perfect either, but in FOX's case, they should care that independents will see them as being partisan shrills as a result of misleading mistakes like these.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:52:05am |
doh!
you'd havethunk they'd learned their lesson...
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:52:24am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:53:17am |
Of course this kinda stuff happens. Why wouldn't it?
When you get right down to it, she's largely a creature of image. Style, lacking in substance, sorta sums her up, except for her troubling associations with known radicals and assorted miscreants and reprobates. Add these facts into her appeals to large masses of uninformed and/or despairing folk who see in her one of their own, and project their hopes and dreams onto the blank screen that she is, and you see she's the Emperor's New Clothes, at best.
Lord save this nation, should such a one assume national office.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:53:34am |
re: #51 Ben Hur
Wow.
Did they release a statement afterwards?
DOOCY: -- for many, many years. There was a hit piece by somebody in The New York Times. The writer was a fellow by the name of Jacques Steinberg, and he's been doing a bunch of attack stories on Fox News Channel. Well, there's some backstory to it, and that is this: His boss, the guy who assigned him to this, is a fellow by the name of Steven Reddicliffe, and Mr. Reddicliffe actually used to work for this company. He worked -- I think he was the editor in charge of TV Guide until circulation went down under his tenure --
Ah. It was revenge.
Idiots.
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filetandrelease Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:54:08am |
re: #55 Ben Hur
That's fake.
No where there is Sarah "drawing".
You know, she really isn't a bad girl, she is just drawn that way.
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filetandrelease Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:55:59am |
re: #56 Guanxi88
Of course this kinda stuff happens. Why wouldn't it?
When you get right down to it, she's largely a creature of image. Style, lacking in substance, sorta sums her up, except for her troubling associations with known radicals and assorted miscreants and reprobates. Add these facts into her appeals to large masses of uninformed and/or despairing folk who see in her one of their own, and project their hopes and dreams onto the blank screen that she is, and you see she's the Emperor's New Clothes, at best.
Lord save this nation, should such a one assume national office.
That is pretty good.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:56:18am |
re: #48 MinisterO
After Brian Kilmeade's racial purity crack, he should have been reduced reading traffic reports on the Fox affiliate in Dayton, Tn.
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Rexatosis Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:57:00am |
Re: 47 SixDegrees:
That and the lack of actual editors who check copy, graphics, video etc. There is way too much of a reliance on the writers, photojournalists, etc. acting as their own editors which is nearly impossible to do on deadline (if you missed it the first time you will probably miss it again 30 seconds later) and more dangerously opens the door for propagandists to peddle their wares as "journalism" (ex. Hamas acting as stringers for Reuters, etc.).
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:58:03am |
Went to the bookstore yesterday. Her book is 40% off for members, 30% off for non members at Borders. Still no crowds.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:59:00am |
I have a hard time believing this is a simple "mistake." At a large media organization like Fox News, they don't just have a bunch of video clips laying around. Their clips are organized, labeled, and dated. They HAVE to be. When there are many editors working with the same material, organization is absolutely crucial or you'll have complete chaos. I'm not familiar with Fox News's procedures, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's also a version control system in place, where clips and media files need to be explicitly checked out for use in a particular project.
It's MUCH more likely that this was deliberate.
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CommonCents Thu, Nov 19, 2009 9:59:46am |
Fox News uses old footage to portray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Newsweek uses old photopraph to protray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Whoopdy doo.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:00:01am |
re: #56 Guanxi88
Lord save this nation, should such a one assume national office.
twice in a row
FTFY?
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:00:19am |
re: #66 Charles
I have a hard time believing this is a simple "mistake." At a large media organization like Fox News, they don't just have a bunch of video clips laying around. Their clips are organized, labeled, and dated. They HAVE to be. When there are many editors working with the same material, organization is absolutely crucial or you'll have complete chaos. I'm not familiar with Fox News's procedures, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's also a version control system in place, where clips and media files need to be explicitly checked out for use in a particular project.
It's MUCH more likely that this was deliberate.
Then the talking head wasn't in on it, IMHO.
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lawhawk Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:00:57am |
re: #66 Charles
Who owns FoxNews? News Corp.
Who owns Harper Collins, which publishes Palin's book? News Corp.
It goes back to synergy between assets, and one has to wonder if the higher ups were told to help goose sales by touting big crowds (or larger crowds than those that showed up).
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:01:30am |
re: #68 Rightwingconspirator
twice in a row
FTFY?
Fortunately, the concatenation of circumstances that could bring such a one into high office is so very unlikely that I'm sure my fears are misplaced. We'd never elect an empty vessel with radical ties to high office.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:02:17am |
re: #71 lawhawk
Who owns FoxNews? News Corp.
Who owns Harper Collins, which publishes Palin's book? News Corp.It goes back to synergy between assets, and one has to wonder if the higher ups were told to help goose sales by touting big crowds (or larger crowds than those that showed up).
If the organization is run properly, there'd be no need to provide explicit encouragement. The people would know what was expected of them, or they wouldn't be there.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:02:46am |
re: #67 CommonCents
but this was a blatant misrepresentation... same with the Bachmann/tea party stuff.
Anyone can use a file photo to illustrate a person - as long as they don't misrepresent the content of it.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:04:17am |
re: #66 Charles
I have a hard time believing this is a simple "mistake." At a large media organization like Fox News, they don't just have a bunch of video clips laying around. Their clips are organized, labeled, and dated. They HAVE to be. When there are many editors working with the same material, organization is absolutely crucial or you'll have complete chaos. I'm not familiar with Fox News's procedures, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's also a version control system in place, where clips and media files need to be explicitly checked out for use in a particular project.
It's MUCH more likely that this was deliberate.
Maybe. Maybe not. As I noted earlier, it isn't exactly a rare occurrence on other media outlets with at least as much oomph as Fox, like the BBC. The mismatch between narration and video sort of leans toward error rather than deception, too.
But as I also said, it's hard for me to care, since broadcast news simply isn't a worthwhile news source, IMO, no matter who's doing it.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:04:30am |
faux news at it again. one hollow apology comin' right up.
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:06:23am |
re: #71 lawhawk
Who owns FoxNews? News Corp.
Who owns Harper Collins, which publishes Palin's book? News Corp.It goes back to synergy between assets, and one has to wonder if the higher ups were told to help goose sales by touting big crowds (or larger crowds than those that showed up).
The problem with that explanation, as someone else pointed out, is the abundance of genuine footage showing crowds, for example, at her Grand Rapids, Michigan book signing, and other similar venues. There's little difference between those and the footage in question.
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avanti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:11:14am |
re: #67 CommonCents
Fox News uses old footage to portray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Newsweek uses old photopraph to protray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Whoopdy doo.
Except Newsweek did not say it was a picture from the book tour for example. Use a old video if you like, just don't misrepresent it as current.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:13:19am |
re: #77 SixDegrees
The problem with that explanation, as someone else pointed out, is the abundance of genuine footage showing crowds, for example, at her Grand Rapids, Michigan book signing, and other similar venues. There's little difference between those and the footage in question.
If this stuff was an accident then they'd sometimes show smaller crowds. The problem is they always show larger crowds. If these were errors they they'd show Code Pink rallies instead of Tea Parties. It's not a mistake. They're intentionally trying to make these events look larger than they are.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:13:34am |
re: #67 CommonCents
Fox News uses old footage to portray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Newsweek uses old photopraph to protray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Whoopdy doo.
2+2=5... does not compute to me. Why is it anyone is willing to pout up with lies and deceit, as long as it's from both sides?
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:15:29am |
re: #77 SixDegrees
The problem with that explanation, as someone else pointed out, is the abundance of genuine footage showing crowds, for example, at her Grand Rapids, Michigan book signing, and other similar venues. There's little difference between those and the footage in question.
If the footage of the 2 events is actually somewhat similar, then it makes it even more possible that this was an honest mistake. FOX not coming clean only adds to popular suspicion that it wasn't.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:16:26am |
FOX needs to clean up this kind of crap. I know TV is a visual medium. I've been a TV producer for 31 years. But if you are doing a story and you don't have the proper video, you need to do one of two things:
Choice #1 ... Have the anchor read the story "on camera" with no supportuing video.
Choice #2 ... If you MUST have some video over the script, have the anchor read the story but have an on screen graphic saying "file footage" over the video and also have the anchor say that you're looking at file footage.
Any other choice is misleading and should be avoided.
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Dreader1962 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:16:30am |
re: #73 Guanxi88
If the organization is run properly, there'd be no need to provide explicit encouragement. The people would know what was expected of them, or they wouldn't be there.
Just as when the major company releases a movie with a certain subject, you are bound to see 'news' reports about the same subject. All of these companies do this - 20th Century Fox - Fox News, Universal - MSNBC, Warner - CNN.
Yet another reason why I don't obtain my news from television sources.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:17:18am |
A statistician might say that the distribution of video errors on Fox News is not consistent with the null hypothesis.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:17:43am |
re: #84 MinisterO
A statistician might say that the distribution of video errors on Fox News is not consistent with the null hypothesis.
That you, Dennis Miller?
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:18:06am |
re: #84 MinisterO
A statistician might say that the distribution of video errors on Fox News is not consistent with the null hypothesis.
Now that would be an interesting study!
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Stanghazi Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:19:22am |
What's interesting, is that any footage shown of the book tour would be THAT DAYS footage. It was basically live. So how did they even pull a "file" tape to begin with?
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albusteve Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:19:48am |
this is brazen, no mistake about it...any Fox heads out there anymore?...they need to retract this in prime time...strike two! (that we know of)
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:20:05am |
re: #85 Guanxi88
That you, Dennis Miller?
I was just speculating what a statistician might say. Of course that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:20:20am |
re: #72 Guanxi88
I thought you were quietly riffing on Obama. Image, downtrodden (minorities) radical ties (Bill Ayers)
/// If it's good enough for the first African American President why not the first woman president...///
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:20:27am |
re: #79 Killgore Trout
If this stuff was an accident then they'd sometimes show smaller crowds. The problem is they always show larger crowds. If these were errors they they'd show Code Pink rallies instead of Tea Parties. It's not a mistake. They're intentionally trying to make these events look larger than they are.
This analysis is based on a sample size of two. Not terribly compelling. And if it were intentional, you'd think they'd write the script to match the video being shown, which wasn't the case here.
And screwups like this aren't exactly rare, as already noted, no matter who is doing the broadcast. Watch a half hour of the news program of your choice this evening, closely, and I'll bet even an untrained eye will be able to spot at least three or four production foul ups. Get someone trained in television production to watch, and they'll hand you a much longer list.
When you have some actual evidence indicating that this was intention, please put it up here. Until then, I remain both unconvinced and bored by this particular incident.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:20:46am |
re: #64 Rightwingconspirator
Went to the bookstore yesterday. Her book is 40% off for members, 30% off for non members at Borders. Still no crowds.
My mother wants to read it, but is embarassed to be caught buying it. I've suggested she get a copy from Amazon delivered in a plain brown wrapper.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:21:21am |
re: #66 Charles
No way it's an error twice in a row. Not A Chance in hell. RATINGS BAIT!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:21:32am |
re: #90 MinisterO
I was just speculating what a statistician might say. Of course that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
No, I think it'd be interesting, to the extent that statistics and statistical analysis can be interesting. It's just the sort of thing a hyper-educated fellow like Mr. Miller might ask. A compliment to you both.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:23:01am |
re: #95 Stanley Sea
Not so sure that is deliberate. Could be an "aspect" crunch and a crappy scan. Maybe though...
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:23:13am |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
My mother wants to read it, but is embarassed to be caught buying it. I've suggested she get a copy from Amazon delivered in a plain brown wrapper.
And pay shipping? Slip a bum a few bucks to go in and buy it for you.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:24:18am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:24:33am |
re: #91 Rightwingconspirator
I thought you were quietly riffing on Obama. Image, downtrodden (minorities) radical ties (Bill Ayers)
/// If it's good enough for the first African American President why not the first woman president...///
But it would scandalous to suggest that the description I provided bore any resemblance to our current President. And it would mean I was arguing ironically, which is certainly not within my character at all.
/
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SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:24:58am |
re: #89 albusteve
this is brazen, no mistake about it...any Fox heads out there anymore?...they need to retract this in prime time...strike two! (that we know of)
It sounded like they were going to issue some sort of statement. On today's broadcast? I have no idea what time slot it's in, and no inclination to watch, but I'm sure we'll hear what they had to say.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:26:32am |
re: #97 Rightwingconspirator
Not so sure that is deliberate. Could be an "aspect" crunch and a crappy scan. Maybe though...
Please. The nose doesn't widen when you crunch a picture horizontally. Nor does the forehead occupy a larger proportion of the head.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:26:33am |
re: #67 CommonCents
Fox News uses old footage to portray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Newsweek uses old photopraph to protray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Whoopdy doo.
The photo is actually of Sarah Palin, though.
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:27:33am |
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bosforus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:27:35am |
C:Sarah Palin2009
is very differenct from
C:Sarah Palin2008
I would expect a major media news outlet to know the difference.
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MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:28:16am |
re: #96 Guanxi88
No, I think it'd be interesting, to the extent that statistics and statistical analysis can be interesting. It's just the sort of thing a hyper-educated fellow like Mr. Miller might ask. A compliment to you both.
I am not worthy to serve latte to the brilliant Dr. Miller.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:28:22am |
re: #102 Ben Hur
Whay are you reading People magazine? :)
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webevintage Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:28:38am |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
My mother wants to read it, but is embarassed to be caught buying it. I've suggested she get a copy from Amazon delivered in a plain brown wrapper.
She should just wait and get it from the library...or you could buy it and give it to her for Christmas as a joke gift.
(Going Rogue would be the BEST joke gift in my family's round of "dirty Santa" with the person who opened it 1st begging someone to take it off their hands)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:28:38am |
re: #98 Guanxi88
And pay shipping? Slip a bum a few bucks to go in and buy it for you.
This is San Francisco. Self-respecting bums might buy cigarettes for kids, but they're not going to dirty their hands with a Palin book.
//
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Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:28:54am |
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avanti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:29:07am |
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bosforus Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:29:27am |
re: #106 bosforus
C: %P% Sarah Palin %P% 2009
is very differenct from
C: %P% Sarah Palin %P% 2008
I would expect a major media news outlet to know the difference.
My backslashes didn't show up. I've replaced them with %P%
| 114 |
Ojoe Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:29:33am |
I would rather look at Palin for 4 years than some boring or sort of ugly male politician.
| 115 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:29:44am |
| 116 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:30:11am |
Fox News Channel is like a weird mixture of Pravda, The Weekly World News, and Rocky & Bullwinkle.
| 117 |
Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:30:34am |
| 118 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:30:41am |
| 119 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:31:01am |
re: #114 Ojoe
I would rather look at Palin for 4 years than some boring or sort of ugly male politician.
How much time do you really spend LOOKING at politicians?
| 120 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:31:19am |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
How much time do you really spend LOOKING at politicians?
It's at least as productive as listening to them, so why not?
| 121 |
duck of peace Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:31:48am |
ACK! So I just loaded up LGF and got a Triple Threat punch in the face of hot "Sarah Palin Action" with this article, and both horizontal and vertical ad with her headshot staring back at me...
Thanks Charles...now I'm not hungry any more.
| 122 |
Ojoe Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:31:56am |
| 123 |
MinisterO Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:32:01am |
re: #116 negativ
Fox News Channel is like a weird mixture of Pravda, The Weekly World News, and Rocky & Bullwinkle.
Well, if you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you believe?
| 124 |
SixDegrees Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:32:23am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:32:41am |
re: #117 Ben Hur
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
Oh, yuck. What morons.
But the one on Newsweek was real, right?
(It's been making the rounds of the teacher's lounge here. The men on faculty seem much more interested in my old Newsweek than ever before.)
| 127 |
gamark Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:33:08am |
re: #67 CommonCents
Fox News uses old footage to portray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Newsweek uses old photopraph to protray Sarah Palin in a way that benefits them.
Whoopdy doo.
My feeling, also.
There is not one any source of news which is unbiased. I'm not sure unbiased news is even possible. Anyone who takes what they see on TV or in a newspaper at its face value is deluding themselves. I have certain areas of expertise which I can occasionally put to use in evaluating news stories. Stories dealing with aircraft (outside of industry publications) are rarely accurate in their facts and are usually put through an hysteria filter. The incorrect facts I attribute to just plain laziness. The hysterical tone I attribute to showmanship to sell more newspapers or increase viewership. Stories involving firearms suffer from the same lack of journalistic rigor, but I think they are more politically biased. I've lost count of how many stories I've seen on CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX dealing with the assault weapons ban where the story is accompanied by video of fully automatic weapons being fired even though the assault weapons ban has nothing to do with machine guns. If I were prone to hyberbole, I would call those stories "lies". But really, I think it just ignorance and laziness. The video fits the reporters/producers preconceived narrative, so that's all the "fact checking" needed. The bottom line is that state of journalism in the US today is a joke. And its not just Fox news even though that seems to be the trendy whipping boy at the moment.
| 128 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:33:28am |
re: #126 Ojoe
But Sarah has her points.
Does it count as PDS if I say "Right on the top of her head?"
| 129 |
albusteve Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:35:13am |
re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist
Does it count as PDS if I say "Right on the top of her head?"
mentioning her name is PDS
| 130 |
Ojoe Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:35:23am |
| 131 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:36:23am |
re: #116 negativ
Fox News Channel is like a weird mixture of Pravda, The Weekly World News, and Rocky & Bullwinkle.
That's what Red Eye sort ofreminds me of (plus vintage Howard Stern and vintage Letterman.) That's why I like it.
| 132 |
Ben Hur Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:37:10am |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, yuck. What morons.
But the one on Newsweek was real, right?
(It's been making the rounds of the teacher's lounge here. The men on faculty seem much more interested in my old Newsweek than ever before.)
Very real.
Drives 'em nuts.
| 133 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:37:20am |
re: #131 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's what Red Eye sort ofreminds me of (plus vintage Howard Stern and vintage Letterman.) That's why I like it.
Red Eye is great. Greg Gutfeld cracks me up
| 134 |
drcordell Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:43:04am |
The sad part about all this is that some poor schmuck who was responsible for "airing" the video is going to lose his job. Rather than the person who told him to.
| 135 |
Ed_Gibbon Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:43:31am |
re: #95 Stanley Sea
My god! The train is completely off the tracks...I hope they have the sense to feel embarrassment and shame (if only for getting caught).
| 136 |
captdiggs Thu, Nov 19, 2009 10:51:11am |
What's the word?
Oh yes...another "nontroversy"...like MSNBC's running photoshopped photos of Palin.
| 137 |
checked08 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:07:34am |
re: #133 _RememberTonyC
Can't here of them without thinking of this. It was one of the few videos without 'douche bag' in the title.
| 138 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:10:09am |
Fox News lies on behalf of Bible Spice. How shocking.
| 139 |
oh_dude Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:13:02am |
A news station that caters to the right-of-center audience shilling for a right-of-center political figure.
Shocking Charles. What a revelation. Someone alert the Church Elders.
I feel like I'm back in Poli Sci 101.
| 141 |
What, me worry? Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:25:08am |
re: #138 Cato the Elder
Fox News lies on behalf of Bible Spice. How shocking.
Bible Spice!!! LOLLL
The world is just discovering what the Left always knew about FOX news? Well that's ok. It's all good as the kids say :0
| 142 |
Cineaste Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:29:42am |
re: #26 SixDegrees
FWIW, just this morning on BBC radio I heard a similar incident take place; the announcer segued to a clip that was introduced as someone in Namibia holding forth on dire conditions there, but what we heard was someone in Scotland yammering on about the beauty of some particular valley in the highlands. And our local public radio station makes similar gaffes on a regular basis.
Just sayin'. I haven't watched any television news shows for a couple of decades except incidentally - while at the airport, for example, and even then it's usually easy to find something else to do.
I think that what you're talking about is when they cue the wrong package. The next segment is on the Space Shuttle launch and when they say "let's go to our reporter" to talk about a kitten stuck in a tree you suddenly see footage of the space shuttle segment instead of the reporter. This is quite different, this is when they use b-roll to illustrate a story within the segment and they have consciously chosen the wrong footage. The segments are pre-packaged before the show but they are sequenced in real-time by the control room.
Also, comparing your local public radio station to one of the three international 24-hours news channels is like comparing a kid playing in Kentucky minor leagues to a shortstop for the Yankees.
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Cineaste Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:31:31am |
re: #133 _RememberTonyC
Red Eye is great. Greg Gutfeld cracks me up
Please tell me you're missing a sarc tag on that comment...
| 144 |
What, me worry? Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:35:24am |
re: #142 Cineaste
I think that what you're talking about is when they cue the wrong package. The next segment is on the Space Shuttle launch and when they say "let's go to our reporter" to talk about a kitten stuck in a tree you suddenly see footage of the space shuttle segment instead of the reporter. This is quite different, this is when they use b-roll to illustrate a story within the segment and they have consciously chosen the wrong footage. The segments are pre-packaged before the show but they are sequenced in real-time by the control room.
Also, comparing your local public radio station to one of the three international 24-hours news channels is like comparing a kid playing in Kentucky minor leagues to a shortstop for the Yankees.
Absolutely. If it was simply an error, we would have seen something that had nothing to do with Palin's book tour, like the space shuttle or a kitten up a tree. Fox picked this video with full knowledge it was not an accurate depiction of the story being told.
| 145 |
AtadOFF Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:24:54pm |
Is Fox stuck on stupid? Spin is one thing but this is inexcusable.
| 146 |
checked08 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:39:12pm |
re: #139 oh_dude
A news station that caters to the right-of-center audience shilling for a right-of-center political figure.
Shocking Charles. What a revelation. Someone alert the Church Elders.
I feel like I'm back in Poli Sci 101.
I always look to Fox news and Sarah Palin for a moderate, sane opinion.
Like death panels trying to kill my Grandma, or killing off mentally challenged babies, or how the Muslims are trying to destroy America. These are things middle America can get behind.
/
| 147 |
CommonCents Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:43:26pm |
re: #80 Walter L. Newton
2+2=5... does not compute to me. Why is it anyone is willing to pout up with lies and deceit, as long as it's from both sides?
I didn't say I was willing to put up with it. If Fox News is willing to risk my viewership, that's their issue.
We choose the things we want to get pissed at. I'm choosing not to.
| 148 |
Pythagoras Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:47:21pm |
I don't get it.
1) The clip is OBVIOUSLY a campaign rally -- not people lining up for a book signing. There's even a teleprompter in the shot!
2) I can't imagine how that clip is "better" than the real one.
| 149 |
ssn697 Thu, Nov 19, 2009 3:07:03pm |
re: #147 CommonCents
I didn't say I was willing to put up with it. If Fox News is willing to risk my viewership, that's their issue.
We choose the things we want to get pissed at. I'm choosing not to.
How many times do they get to use a clip "inadvertently" before you decide enough is enough?
| 150 |
lotocoti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:04:46pm |
Having a little bit of experience in broadcasting, put me down in the embarrassing mistake column.
How does this sort of thing happen?
Pretty easily.
For example:
You're a busy editor and the Production Desk wants overlay for that book signing cross NOW!
As a lowly editor, you're not privy to the plans of the Production Desk, you don't have ENPS in your edit suite. Hell, you didn't even know Palin had a book coming out.
So you do a most recent search of the Media Asset Management queue with a Palin slug and top of the list are the pics you grab.
You don't know, or care, that someone else has submitted some lo-res file vision for their story to a hi-res server, so they're the most recent under that slug. You don't know Media Exchange is snowed under and haven't got around to naming that remote feed yet.
So you bash out forty seconds of overlay and post it to the rundown, then try to claw back those 5 minutes you've lost on the story you're cutting, which has now got the Prod. Desk all sweaty palmed.
You say sorry when you realise you've used the wrong vision, then move on to the next story.
For anyone to suggest something along the lines of:
This is quite different, this is when they use b-roll to illustrate a story within the segment and they have consciously chosen the wrong footage. The segments are pre-packaged before the show but they are sequenced in real-time by the control room.
tells me someone is not particularly knowledgeable when it comes to on air production.
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lotocoti Thu, Nov 19, 2009 4:08:40pm |
By a little bit of experience I mean to say 27 years and counting.
| 152 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:18:09pm |
re: #2 Charles
And Fox News did run misleading footage.
Charles -
You are Bloody Correct - these scenes were taken from the '08 Campaign. Roger Ailes should have a "cow" 'bout this one.
Beyond that, Gov. Palin still gets 1-2000 people per appearance waiting for her to sign their copy of HER book. VP Biden has problems attracting 200 People to a Rally. In the words of Crosby, Stills and Nash - "WHO WON?" That is all.
-S-
| 153 |
shai_au Thu, Nov 19, 2009 5:43:59pm |
It might have been an honest mistake, but it's happened before, so they can't really get away with it as much as they'd like to.
And no, "other networks do it too!" is not a good argument either.
| 154 |
3kids3dogs Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:04:21pm |
re: #130 Ojoe
Sure.
I was thinking of
oh never mind
Was it:
Sittin' way up high...way up firm and high
?
| 155 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Nov 19, 2009 6:53:18pm |
I realise this thread is old, but Media Matters has an astonishing roundup of the year in Fox apologies:
Fox News' year in apologies: fake videos, false info, cutting and pasting from GOP.
There's no way this latest mistake was accidental:
Stewart blasts Hannity for using old video footage to inflate Bachmann rally attendance
Fox News' Garrett apologizes for fake HBO-Obama story -- which Fox News repeated days later.
Kilmeade: Americans don't have "pure genes" like Swedes because "we keep marrying other species and other ethnics."
Labelling Sanford a Democrat
Fox News presents deceptively cropped 6-month-old Biden clip as new
Fox News Watch's Scott claims "[w]e don't have any idea" what Biden said to AFL-CIO, but transcript was available.
This is the most damning, to my mind:
Fox passes off GOP press release as its own research -- typo and all. During the February 10 edition of Happening Now, Scott purported to "take a look back" at how the economic recovery plan "grew, and grew, and grew." In doing so, Scott referenced seven dates, as on-screen graphics cited various news sources from those time periods -- all of which came directly from a Senate Republican Communications Center press release. A Fox News on-screen graphic even reproduced a typo contained in the Republican press release.The following day, Scott apologized -- for running the typo. Scott's apology was criticized by Washington Post media critic and CNN host Howard Kurtz, who said: "We sometimes jab at the pundits for using talking points, but in the case of Fox News anchor Jon Scott, it was literally true this week. ... You should be apologizing for using partisan propaganda from the GOP without telling your viewers where it came from. Talk about missing the point."
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