White Supremacist Blogger Robert Stacy McCain’s Neo-Nazi Pal Convicted

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Robert Stacy McCain’s neo-Nazi pal Bill White, who McCain met at a 2002 conference of the white nationalist group American Renaissance, has been convicted in Virginia on four counts of making online threats, and may be spending a long time in prison.

ROANOKE, Va. (AP) A federal jury in Virginia has found a white supremacist guilty of four counts of making online threats.

Jurors deliberating in Roanoke returned their verdict Friday against William A. White. They also found him not guilty of three counts.

The head of a Roanoke neo-Nazi group, White was found guilty on charges that in one case involved threats intended to prevent residents of a Virginia Beach apartment complex from giving testimony in a housing discrimination case.

White’s attorneys had argued in U.S. District Court that his e-mails and online postings were protected by the First Amendment.

White faces a maximum of 40 years in prison on the four convictions. A sentencing date has not been scheduled.

Here are the LGF posts documenting Robert Stacy McCain’s connections to Bill White, who also threatened me and tried to find my home address and the addresses of my family:

Robert Stacy McCain’s Angry Departure From the Washington Times
The Other ‘Other McCain’
Robert Stacy McCain’s Latest Excuse

UPDATE at 12/18/09 4:13:53 pm:

Barrett Brown has a standing offer open for Robert Stacy McCain, but so far McCain seems reluctant to acknowledge it: My Offer to R.S. McCain Regarding His Inclusion in My Upcoming Book.

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312 comments
1 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:38:39pm

One might wonder if the website(s) giving out Dr. Tiller's (among others) address/information along with not so subtle suggestions to take him out will be subject to the same scrutiny and result.

2 Basho  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:40:05pm

Think prisons are overcrowded now? Wait 'til they see the comments on Hot Air...

3 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:40:18pm

Throw the book at him.

4 Mark Pennington  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:40:36pm

Good! What a scumbag Bill White is.

5 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:41:04pm

I'm very glad to see this. I'll be sleeping a little easier with this asshole in jail.

6 cliffster  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:41:12pm

Wow, prison should be fun for a guy like him.

7 researchok  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:42:22pm

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

8 Neutral President  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #6 cliffster

Wow, prison should be fun for a guy like him.

There's probably a gang of skinheads that he will fit right in with just fine.

9 webevintage  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:44:14pm

Merry Christmas Bill!
Enjoy your new home.

10 researchok  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:44:22pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

Throw the book at him.

I hope he ends up in a cell with a very large fellow who goes by the name of 'Peaches'.

11 Basho  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:45:29pm

I like how he thought personal threats were protected by the first amendment...

12 The Shadow Do  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:46:21pm

I'm sure he will be made to feel right at home where he is headed - performing his wifely duties for some inked up Aryan Nation goober. Too bad Charles can't place Goober McCain in an adjoining cell - maybe if he writes a nice letter of recommendation.

13 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:47:08pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm very glad to see this. I'll be sleeping a little easier with this asshole in jail.

I can imagine. Although if I were in your shoes, I'd definitely consider attending the sentencing hearing and make sure he saw me.

Doing the charleston.

14 Kruk  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:47:51pm

re: #1 allegro

One might wonder if the website(s) giving out Dr. Tiller's (among others) address/information along with not so subtle suggestions to take him out will be subject to the same scrutiny and result.

You mean the type of website that lists a doctor's name and address, calls him or her a mass murderer who has to be stopped at any cost, and then rushes to defend the lunatic who does resort to guns or explosives, despite said lunatic have absolutely no connection with the anti-abortion movement? What are you, some kind of Obama worshipping would be facist?

//

15 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:47:57pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

Throw the book at him.

it's a 40 year felony...half of that would be considered lenient...he's going down for a while....c ya, wouldn't wanna b ya

16 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:48:01pm

re: #10 researchok

I hope he ends up in a cell with a very large fellow who goes by the name of 'Peaches'.

I hope he gets 40 years.

17 Jaerik  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:48:17pm

Did I seriously hear him say that personal threats are protected by the First Amendment?

Someone tell me I didn't hear that.

18 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:48:40pm

re: #17 Jaerik

Did I seriously hear him say that personal threats are protected by the First Amendment?

Someone tell me I didn't hear that.

You didn't hear that.

Feel better now?

19 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:48:42pm

re: #14 Kruk

Guess so. :/

20 researchok  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

I hope he gets 40 years.

Either way, I'm good.

21 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:49:01pm

re: #15 albusteve

it's a 40 year felony...half of that would be considered lenient...he's going down for a while...c ya, wouldn't wanna b ya

It would seem that the system works...

22 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:49:28pm

Is he on his way to Florence, CO, soon?

23 Jaerik  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:49:40pm

re: #18 SixDegrees

You didn't hear that.

Feel better now?

Thank you. Now I'm gunna go have a sammich.

24 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:49:52pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

I hope he gets 40 years.

Probably not in the cards. Possible, but not likely.

Although there is that whole matter of at least one set of threats being intended to prevent people from testifying in a court case. Things like that, judges don't take kindly to.

25 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:51:02pm

re: #21 brookly red

It would seem that the system works...

it has to...we talked about this before...it has to be this way...swift and stiff penalties or this shit will fly out of control in a heartbeat...same for militant Islam...happily the feds are playing hardball here

26 The Shadow Do  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:51:20pm

re: #22 MandyManners

Is he on his way to Florence, CO, soon?

Probably not, that place is for big time creeps/big time assholes. This guy is just a small time creep/big time asshole.

27 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:52:36pm

re: #24 SixDegrees

Probably not in the cards. Possible, but not likely.

Although there is that whole matter of at least one set of threats being intended to prevent people from testifying in a court case. Things like that, judges don't take kindly to.

Personally- I think an example should be made as far as what happens to people who behave in such a manner. I nominate Mr. White.

28 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:54:26pm

I don't think someone can parole for a federal sentence... anyone know for sure?

29 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:55:43pm

BBL

30 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:56:38pm

re: #28 brookly red

I don't think someone can parole for a federal sentence... anyone know for sure?

I think you have to serve most of the max...no good time etc...I may be wrong

31 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 3:59:06pm

Excellent news. I was reading details about the testimony somewhere last week-- he's scum, a complete thug. I only wish they could have locked him up long ago.

This is from the SPLC from last year:

Bill White has a long and infamous history of posting racist threats and in-your-face suggestions of criminal violence on his Overthrow.com site. In September 2007, he issued a call to "Lynch the Jena 6," a reference to black teenagers in Jena, La. He has posted the home addresses and phone numbers of numerous enemies, including black syndicated columnist Leonard Pitts and Southern Poverty Law Center CEO Richard Cohen. He has written of attempting to visit the Montgomery, Ala., home of Intelligence Report Editor Mark Potok in a "car full of guns." The very same week that he posted information about the Chicago juror, White also posted a proposed cover for his National Socialist magazine. The cover featured a photo of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama with his head in a rifle's crosshairs and the headline, "Kill This N****?"

In case you can't guess, the asterisks are mine, not his.

32 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:00:51pm

IE7...the page is too small, but the next zoom is way too big...high tech man....it's driving my crazy

33 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:02:31pm

re: #31 iceweasel

Makes one wonder, whats the actual line for criminally threatening the President? I know the bar is lower than for threatening a private citizen, but any law experts that know what it is?

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:03:07pm

Wee hee! Story from where I live! On LGF! Woo hoo! Roanoke front and center! Yay!

Wait.

Oh.

35 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:05:03pm

re: #33 windsagio

Makes one wonder, whats the actual line for criminally threatening the President? I know the bar is lower than for threatening a private citizen, but any law experts that know what it is?

I'm sure the USSS was keeping an eye on him, but I have no idea what the protocol is for determining what gets prosecuted and what does not. Also they don't make all their investigations public in any case-- if they did, it would only spur other assorted psychotics to make threats in hopes of getting the same attention, I bet.

36 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:06:04pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh....I remember a story originating from Roanoke not that long ago.

Had to do with a smarmy little shitstain columnist publishing the home addresses of local concealed-carry permit holders.

37 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:07:35pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I lived in Lynchburg and then Appomattox as a kid.

38 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:08:37pm

re: #35 iceweasel

Yeesh thats creepy, makes a certain demented sense tho' I suppose its more of a 'the SS shows up and beats the bejeezus out of you' kind of thing.

re: #36 Fenway_Nation

Thats a fun read >

39 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:10:06pm

re: #36 Fenway_Nation

Oh...I remember a story originating from Roanoke not that long ago.

Had to do with a smarmy little shitstain columnist publishing the home addresses of local concealed-carry permit holders.

what a self centered geek...claiming he wants to know what his neighbors business is....a supreme affront to a privacy minder gunner like myself...it's just fucking unAmerican to be that nosey

40 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:10:41pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #37 Stanley Sea

And there's the O Winston Link Museum, too.

41 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:10:58pm

Is it bad that I unconsciously grin at the prospect of seeing this Neo-Nazi brusquely run into the people he hates in the joint?

42 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:11:08pm

re: #39 albusteve

what a self centered geek...claiming he wants to know what his neighbors business is...a supreme affront to a privacy minder gunner like myself...it's just fucking unAmerican to be that nosey

what ever happened to him? anything?

43 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:12:50pm

re: #42 brookly red

what ever happened to him? anything?

his last column was 2 weeks ago, so he's still got his job anyways.

44 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:13:19pm

re: #43 windsagio

*short pause as he thinks*

Wait, what'd you expect to happen to him?

45 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:13:31pm

re: #39 albusteve

'Its for the greater good' and all that

46 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:13:36pm

In 1999 he (White) expressed support for the teenage killers of 12 students and a teacher in the Columbine High School massacre because they were being oppressed by America's fascist education system.

what a guy

47 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:14:24pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wee hee! Story from where I live! On LGF! Woo hoo! Roanoke front and center! Yay!

Wait.

Oh.

I love that area. I spent much time hitchhiking from upstate NY to my sisters in Knoxville, with many stops along the way. Harrisonburg, Roanoke, Lexington, and a once even a couple of days in the Washington County jail in Abington for pissing behind a bush at 5am in the morning. Good times, fond memories.

48 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:14:44pm

re: #42 brookly red

what ever happened to him? anything?

don;t know, that's the first I've heard of him...actually pisses me off a little sitting here....NM is just not like that, you just don't go around questioning peoples private business...I know it sounds like a broad brush but it's true down here to a great extent...it's a vibe...nobody cares who you are, or what your job is or much else...that's precisely why I came down here....that fuck is a nosey, pretentious snob

49 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:15:05pm

re: #41 mikhailtheplumber

Is it bad that I unconsciously grin at the prospect of seeing this Neo-Nazi brusquely run into the people he hates in the joint?

Yes, it is. You should be ashamed, terribly ashamed, wishing bad things to happen to that evil fucker who rightfully would have his lungs sucked out through his nostrils and his entrails wrapped around the prison lightpost and...

no, no... I meant...have a nice day. :)

50 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:15:12pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

Personally- I think an example should be made as far as what happens to people who behave in such a manner. I nominate Mr. White.

Works for me if things go that way.

51 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:15:24pm

re: #42 brookly red

His address was published on the web and he says he got a ton of death threats and somebody sent him a suspicous package.

IIRC, he called the State Police who sent in a bomb squad- it turned out to be a bunch of address labels that somebody thoughtfully signed him up for using the public information that was out there.

52 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:15:36pm

re: #44 windsagio

*short pause as he thinks*

Wait, what'd you expect to happen to him?

huh? oh nothing... just curious.

53 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:15:41pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

I should'nt laugh, but a Neo-Nazi is using Fascist as a perjorative? Thats ludicrous!

54 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:16:21pm

re: #49 allegro

Yes, it is. You should be ashamed, terribly ashamed, wishing bad things to happen to that evil fucker who rightfully would have his lungs sucked out through his nostrils and his entrails wrapped around the prison lightpost and...

no, no... I meant...have a nice day. :)

Because there aren't any neo-nazis in jail.....

55 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:16:39pm

Barrett Brown has a standing offer open for Robert Stacy McCain, but so far McCain seems reluctant to acknowledge it: My Offer to R.S. McCain Regarding His Inclusion in My Upcoming Book.

56 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:16:53pm

re: #41 mikhailtheplumber

Hate to say it, but he'll probably get protection from one of the Aryan-prefixed gangs in prison.

//Of course, they may not be able to protect him 100% of the time

57 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:18:54pm

re: #56 Fenway_Nation

Hate to say it, but he'll probably get protection from one of the Aryan-prefixed gangs in prison.

//Of course, they may not be able to protect him 100% of the time

If he's in there long enough, I don't really care who he hangs with.

58 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:19:45pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

Oh shoot! You're here, TonyC.

My nic is blue- there was a bunch of Boston-sports related questions I was hoping to ask you, but I gotta get going soon. I'm open to any informed critique of my blog (which isn't 100% sports, but I'm still trying to be informative) you might be able to offer. If you want to get in touch, my nic is blue.

59 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:20:08pm

re: #55 Charles

Barrett Brown has a standing offer open for Robert Stacy McCain, but so far McCain seems reluctant to acknowledge it: My Offer to R.S. McCain Regarding His Inclusion in My Upcoming Book.


wtf?...you got no mention for helping to expose McCain?...doesn't seem right

60 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:20:35pm

re: #58 Fenway_Nation

Well...that was repetitively redundant.

////

61 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:21:35pm

re: #58 Fenway_Nation

Oh shoot! You're here, TonyC.

My nic is blue- there was a bunch of Boston-sports related questions I was hoping to ask you, but I gotta get going soon. I'm open to any informed critique of my blog (which isn't 100% sports, but I'm still trying to be informative) you might be able to offer. If you want to get in touch, my nic is blue.

Fenway .... I'm basically doing a drive by right now because I'm at work and about to get really busy at 7:25pm .... will you be on line tomorrow?

62 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:21:35pm

re: #28 brookly red

I don't think someone can parole for a federal sentence... anyone know for sure?

There is a federal parole commission. No idea what their guidelines are.

Sidebar: Go to the Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate locater page. Type in your own name in the search box. There but for the grace of God, etc. Let that be a lesson to you!

63 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:23:00pm

re: #57 SixDegrees

If he's in there long enough, I don't really care who he hangs with.

/ well now that production of "Springtime for Hitler" can finally be made...

64 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:23:06pm

re: #61 _RememberTonyC

Probably. If I don't update the blog later on tonight, then I'll probably do it sometime tomorrow.

65 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:24:13pm

re: #64 Fenway_Nation

Probably. If I don't update the blog later on tonight, then I'll probably do it sometime tomorrow.

thanks Fenway ..... I'd be happy to exchange thoughts with you .... have a great night!

66 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:24:17pm

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

There is a federal parole commission. No idea what their guidelines are.

Sidebar: Go to the Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate locater page. Type in your own name in the search box. There but for the grace of God, etc. Let that be a lesson to you!

I am really not sure how to take that...

67 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:25:55pm

Glad to see him finally punished for his behavior, I was also indirectly threatened by him because I was a temporary Admin at a site he found offensive to his racist ideals. Fortunately I was just answering email and policing the site while the actual owner was on hiatus, he never had any idea who I was IRL (thank goodness).

I have to say that the rants he posted all over that board were quite amusing for their tangibly insane quality and it also had the benefit of increasing traffic quite a bit. I was almost sorry to have to ban him, but he insisted on repeatedly violating the posting rules and after two previous strikes I had no choice.

It is kind of a disgrace that the FBI protected him from prosecution for so long because he was their informant on the militias and W.S. groups. When he was known as an informant and of no further use to them they gave him up in a heartbeat. They need to exercise a bit more careful about the people they choose to make deals with. Perhaps they also need to rethink shielding them from prosecution for offenses involving or threatening violence that are committed while working as an informant?

68 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:26:23pm

Whoa, I just realized that Christmas is a week from today. I really need to get a life.

69 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:26:34pm

re: #65 _RememberTonyC

Take care, TonyC!

70 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:27:21pm

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

On that same note, check if you're wanted by Interpol.

71 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:27:21pm

re: #68 allegro

Whoa, I just realized that Christmas is a week from today. I really need to get a life.

And do some shopping?

72 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #68 allegro

At least you haven't been obsessively counting down since Okotberfest.

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #68 allegro

Whoa, I just realized that Christmas is a week from today. I really need to get a life.

Ugh. People on my list this year are going to be getting their stuff late.

74 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:29:02pm

re: #72 Fenway_Nation

At least you haven't been obsessively counting down since Okotberfest.

Okotberfest is over??

75 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:29:07pm

re: #67 ausador

The FBI and their choice of 'informants' doesn't exactly inspire confidence along those lines to those of us who were alive and kicking in New England in the '80s and '90s.

Whitey Bulger, anybody?

76 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:30:42pm

All of my family and my spouse have moved along to the "hereafter" and I refuse to do the gift thing with friends. Makes the holidays much more restful. :)

77 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:31:05pm

re: #75 Fenway_Nation

Yeah, don't even get started on the whole 'police choosing bad informants thing', thats a brutal sink of despair and misery.

PS:
re: #73 Killgore Trout

I read somewhere on here that you live in PDX. Just go to powells!

78 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:31:21pm

re: #39 albusteve

what a self centered geek...claiming he wants to know what his neighbors business is...a supreme affront to a privacy minder gunner like myself...it's just fucking unAmerican to be that nosey

Private gun ownership, ppffttt!! Don't you know that police paperwork after the completion of a crime is all the protection you peons really need?

79 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:32:04pm

re: #74 brookly red


Yep...but you can get an early start on Oktoberfest 2010.

80 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:32:22pm

re: #63 brookly red

/ well now that production of "Springtime for Hitler" can finally be made...

ha! good one

81 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:32:32pm

re: #76 allegro

You can join us here, for a virtual celebration!

82 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:32:59pm

re: #76 allegro

All of my family and my spouse have moved along to the "hereafter" and I refuse to do the gift thing with friends. Makes the holidays much more restful. :)

Well, if you'd like to send something to a total stranger, I'd like a 1953 Fender Telecaster.

83 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:33:11pm

re: #81 Floral Giraffe

Thanks! Now that's a celebration I could enjoy. ;)

84 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:33:27pm

re: #77 windsagio

Interestingly, I have not seen The Departed but I'm told the story is based heavily on the real-life account of Bulger and his using the Boston office of the FBI for his own ends.

85 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:33:54pm

re: #82 Jeff In Ohio

Well, if you'd like to send something to a total stranger, I'd like a 1953 Fender Telecaster.

And I still want that pony. Gift exchange?

86 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:34:41pm

C'mon people! Nothing says 'Merry Christmas' like Krugerrands!

87 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:34:42pm

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

There is a federal parole commission. No idea what their guidelines are.

Sidebar: Go to the Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate locater page. Type in your own name in the search box. There but for the grace of God, etc. Let that be a lesson to you!

I have an in-law in a fed pen in Pennsylvania. Not a nice place.

88 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:35:42pm

re: #87 RogueOne

Doesn't sound like a very nice in-law neither.

89 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:36:01pm

re: #85 allegro

And I still want that pony. Gift exchange?

Sure. I see ponies all day long on Craigs list. You might want to price that Telecaster, though.....

90 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:36:06pm

Oh.....and nothing offers up that Southie ambience like filming the movie in motherfucking Brooklyn.

91 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:36:18pm

re: #82 Jeff In Ohio

Well, if you'd like to send something to a total stranger, I'd like a 1953 Fender Telecaster.


this one belongs to Kieth Richards

Image: wpf014f8e7_0f.jpg

92 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:36:41pm

re: #87 RogueOne

Outlaw in-law?

93 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:37:08pm

re: #89 Jeff In Ohio

You might want to price that Telecaster, though...

I don't even know what that is. I have my brother's old Fender bass... any relation?

94 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:37:16pm

re: #91 albusteve

Has he smoked it yet? Or ground it up into fine dust and snorted it?

95 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:37:56pm

re: #91 albusteve

this one belongs to Kieth Richards

[Link: www.ronlindeman.com...]

Ah...the Tele custom. My '63 looks almost as beat as that one.

96 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:37:58pm

re: #90 Fenway_Nation

Oh...and nothing offers up that Southie ambience like filming the movie in motherfucking Brooklyn.

/Matsui :)

97 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:38:31pm

re: #91 albusteve

Oh, OK, thanks. Ugly old thang ain't it.

98 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:39:30pm

OK...well....this was supposed to be a drive-by, but I have some Christmas shopping and a few hours of work ahead of me.

Take care, reptillians.

99 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:39:39pm

re: #93 allegro

I don't even know what that is. I have my brother's old Fender bass... any relation?

Yes....that'll do also. Really though, if you don't know what it is, you might want to have some one competent appraise it for you.

100 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:40:12pm

re: #86 Fenway_Nation

C'mon people! Nothing says 'Merry Christmas' like Krugerrands!


heh...I have a Krug story myself...should have bought them 30yrs ago amigo

101 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:40:34pm

re: #99 Jeff In Ohio

Actually, I do know what the bass is. I've been offered major bucks for it, since they were only made for like 3 years and there are so few of them.

102 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:40:47pm

re: #97 allegro

Oh, OK, thanks. Ugly old thang ain't it.

Ugly? I'm crying right now....

103 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:41:07pm

re: #100 albusteve

Would my friendly nieghborhood Krugerrand retailer have taken money from an infant at that time?

104 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:41:16pm

re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

Well it is! LOL

105 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:41:26pm

re: #97 allegro

Oh, OK, thanks. Ugly old thang ain't it.

he plays it regularly...he has 1000 guitars...go figure

106 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:41:29pm

re: #88 allegro

Doesn't sound like a very nice in-law neither.

He story is what got me interested in the federal law system. I knew there were a lot of city cops who were shady, didn't realize how out of control our federal system was until him. At 16 he was buying small amounts of meth from an informant who was getting his drugs from the gov't. The informant basically taught him how easy it was to make a killing selling drugs. They waited until he hit 18 to bust him with a pocket full of cash and 3 lbs of their meth. In order to teach him how wrong he was they tossed him a federal max facility 6 months after he turned 18. He lost his teeth and his right ear the 2nd week he was there. I'll let you guess why they'd knock out his teeth.

107 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:42:08pm

OK....now I gotta gitouttahea'.

108 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:42:14pm

re: #104 allegro

Well it is! LOL

:)

109 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:42:19pm

re: #103 Fenway_Nation

Would my friendly nieghborhood Krugerrand retailer have taken money from an infant at that time?

everybody was an infant once except the King

110 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:42:43pm

re: #106 RogueOne

Oh, shit. My apologies for being so flip and cold. Seriously.

111 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #106 RogueOne

That is a goddamn brutal story.

Just remember: You don't have the right to not be framed!

(old story I know, but apropos)

112 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:44:14pm

re: #88 allegro

In the first 3 years he was in he lost his ear, his teeth, and he'd been stabbed twice. All for selling drugs he was getting from the government to begin with. By his 6th year in prison he ended up stabbing someone 27 times. They took a kid with no violent history whatsoever and turned him into an animal trying to survive. Our drug laws are wrong, wrong, wrong.

113 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:44:29pm

Haven't noticed this mentioned here yet:
Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists

114 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:45:01pm

re: #109 albusteve

everybody was an infant once except the King

I take that back....

Well I stepped out of a mirror at ten years oldWith a suit cut sharp, as a razor and a heart of gold
I had a guitar hanging just about waist high
I'm gonna play that thing until the day I die

115 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:45:28pm

re: #110 allegro

I happen to think our system is still the best on the planet, but we need to be using a little more sense.

116 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #112 RogueOne

I SO agree. Stories like that are insane and rage-making.

117 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:46:37pm

re: #67 ausador

It is kind of a disgrace that the FBI protected him from prosecution for so long because he was their informant on the militias and W.S. groups. When he was known as an informant and of no further use to them they gave him up in a heartbeat. They need to exercise a bit more careful about the people they choose to make deals with. Perhaps they also need to rethink shielding them from prosecution for offenses involving or threatening violence that are committed while working as an informant?

No -- that wasn't Bill White. You're thinking of Hal Turner.

118 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:46:38pm

re: #77 windsagio

Powell's is an awesome place.

119 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:47:49pm

re: #116 allegro

He deserved to be punished but the government has no business setting kids up for failure like that. To take kids off the street and toss them into a prison system like a piece of fresh meat for non-violent offenses is crazy.

120 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:47:51pm

re: #113 JasonA

Haven't noticed this mentioned here yet:
Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists

wow...good news...BO taking it to the house

121 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:48:01pm

re: #55 Charles

Barrett Brown has a standing offer open for Robert Stacy McCain, but so far McCain seems reluctant to acknowledge it: My Offer to R.S. McCain Regarding His Inclusion in My Upcoming Book.

The neo-confederacy I can let slide as a tasteless but relatively harmless regional eccentricity, being surrounded by it here as I am. Associating with neo-Nazis is a whole higher level of wrong, though. These are not "have you stopped beating your wife yet" objections, and RSM should meet them forthrightly.

122 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:48:44pm

re: #119 RogueOne

He deserved to be punished but the government has no business setting kids up for failure like that. To take kids off the street and toss them into a prison system like a piece of fresh meat for non-violent offenses is crazy.

You are being much kinder about it than I feel.

123 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:48:54pm

re: #119 RogueOne

He deserved to be punished but the government has no business setting kids up for failure like that. To take kids off the street and toss them into a prison system like a piece of fresh meat for non-violent offenses is crazy.

numbers...it feeds the $ machine

124 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:49:13pm

re: #113 JasonA

Haven't noticed this mentioned here yet:
Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists

Good for him. I guess it's OK to call em terrorists now.

125 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:49:24pm

Speaking of In-laws, mine are almost here.

126 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:49:24pm

re: #112 RogueOne

In the first 3 years he was in he lost his ear, his teeth, and he'd been stabbed twice. All for selling drugs he was getting from the government to begin with. By his 6th year in prison he ended up stabbing someone 27 times. They took a kid with no violent history whatsoever and turned him into an animal trying to survive. Our drug laws are wrong, wrong, wrong.

So the Gov't sold an 18yr old kid 3 lbs of Meth and then busted him? Is that what you are saying or did I miss something?

127 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:49:44pm

re: #59 albusteve

wtf?...you got no mention for helping to expose McCain?...doesn't seem right

It's not surprising- a lot of people don't give Charles credit.

128 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:50:06pm

re: #106 RogueOne

My god, that is horrible. I am so sorry!

129 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #126 HoosierHoops

That's exactly what I'm saying. He met this guy through friends when he was 16. At first he was getting enough just for himself and his friends. 1 1/2 years later they busted him with 3lbs and 15k on him. He was a couple weeks shy of his 18th birthday when they busted him.

130 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:52:55pm

I remember back in the 60s (yeah, I'm old) when my friend's (koff) source of grass was the cops in Chicago who busted the dealers then sold a chunk of the stash. Not a new thing.

131 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:53:22pm

re: #122 allegro

I feel that; I'm trying to hold in a 5 paragraph essay about how evil the police can be, but that won't do anybody any good.

re: #130 allegro

/not helping!

132 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:54:40pm

re: #131 windsagio

Let's just put it this way:

IA guys should be respected as people who keep the departments clean. Instead, they're reviled, feared, and fought against. Because there are very few clean departments.

133 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:55:24pm

re: #129 RogueOne

That's exactly what I'm saying. He met this guy through friends when he was 16. At first he was getting enough just for himself and his friends. 1 1/2 years later they busted him with 3lbs and 15k on him. He was a couple weeks shy of his 18th birthday when they busted him.

After reading this, I had to pour some wine. Such a sad story, and I imagine something that makes you and the family very angry. Damn.

134 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:56:19pm

re: #128 iceweasel

That's kinda why I swing both ways.//

I'm pretty much a law-and-order kind of guy, come from that kind of family. But it's hard to ignore the way our justice system works sometimes. Like Albusteve said, it's all about the numbers.

135 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:57:19pm

re: #134 RogueOne

But this is not a case of law and order! It's a case of freaking evil.

136 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:57:37pm

re: #66 brookly red

I am really not sure how to take that...

Didn't mean you personally. I intended it for the general edification.

137 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:58:41pm

re: #134 RogueOne

I think the problem is that in departmental culture, they learn to hate most of the people they're serving. I'm certain with your relative, someone along the way said "Well he's going to deal anyways, this way we were just sure to catch him!"

You see that alot, especially in poorer neighborhoods/areas

138 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:59:33pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

You'd think. They know he got screwed but if they had cared for the kid to begin with he wouldn't have been smoking weed at 12 and doing meth by the time he was 15. I like my in-laws, they're nice people, but I'm not a real fan of their parenting. Right now my teenage sister in law is living with us in Indiana because she couldn't stand living in the middle of BFE S. Dakota. To me, that's not a good enough reason to let your daughter move 14 hours away.

139 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:59:36pm

re: #129 RogueOne

That's exactly what I'm saying. He met this guy through friends when he was 16. At first he was getting enough just for himself and his friends. 1 1/2 years later they busted him with 3lbs and 15k on him. He was a couple weeks shy of his 18th birthday when they busted him.

So you are saying a 17 yr old kid had 3 lbs of Meth and 15,000 dollars on him?
I wonder how many lives you can destroy with 3 lbs of speed...I'm sorry for him..But I've seen the effects of drugs on people..There are no winners here.
just saying

140 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #137 windsagio

Sounds more like a case of job security to me. Let's set the kids up then we can bust them, get more funding and publicity for the great work we do, set more kids up...

141 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:59:53pm

Here's the SPLC's HateWatch on the opening arguments against White, btw:

Government prosecutor Cindy Chung told the stories of the six alleged victims who’d been contacted by White, describing how his E-mails, phone calls and Internet postings had adversely affected their lives. A woman who’d received a letter addressed “Dear N**** Tenant” was afraid to stay in her home. After getting an E-mail with the subject line “N**** Pitts,” Pulitzer-Prize winning columnist Leonard Pitts wouldn’t let his 11-year-old grandson play in his yard and had armed security at his home for two weeks. A Canadian civil rights lawyer — who White said was “in need of execution” — was afraid to put his gym membership in his own name and took different routes to work. When White called the office of a university professor to say people like her should be hunted down and shot, the professor became so panicked that she was unable to call her father, whose address White had posted on his website, and had to ask a co-worker to do it for her.

“Bill White singled out these complete strangers and targeted them with a series of threats and intimidation,” Chung said. “The defendant stole the safety and security these people felt in their homes.”

142 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:00:55pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

It's not surprising- a lot of people don't give Charles credit.

sooner or later they have to....pesky facts...forge ahead I guess...other boggers must be envious because Charles has the best discourse and the best music in the sphere...heh

143 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:02:26pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

So you are saying a 17 yr old kid had 3 lbs of Meth and 15,000 dollars on him?
I wonder how many lives you can destroy with 3 lbs of speed...I'm sorry for him..But I've seen the effects of drugs on people..There are no winners here.
just saying

3lbs and 15k?...what the fuck?...that's a dealer

144 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:02:27pm

re: #142 albusteve

Well, Barrett has linked to LGF several times in his other posts -- and I'm going to be in his book too. So cut him a break, please...

145 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:02:50pm

re: #142 albusteve

sooner or later they have to...pesky facts...forge ahead I guess...other boggers must be envious because Charles has the best discourse and the best music in the sphere...heh

It's coming sooner- the NYT profile will be out in a few weeks, and Charles has deserved this sort of recognition for a long time.

146 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:03:02pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I agree, he was definitely in the wrong. The problem I have is they didn't arrest him was he was 16 with a 1/4 gram of meth on him. They waited and continued to sell him larger and larger amounts until they could justify a felony federal charge instead of just a misdemeanor state charge. Instead of tossing him in a juvi center and putting him in rehab they tossed him into a maximum federal facility.

147 Blueheron  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:03:41pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm very glad to see this. I'll be sleeping a little easier with this asshole in jail.


Shutting these types of characters away is a bit like playing whack a mole. Some other idiot will take his place I'm afraid.

It is just terrible you have to be concerned about the present idiots Charles.

148 Summer Seale  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:03:49pm

re: #144 Charles

Well, Barrett has linked to LGF several times in his other posts -- and I'm going to be in his book too. So cut him a break, please...

He's probably just a bit giddy from being in close proximity to his brand new computer with the fresh clear plastic fumes emanating from the shiny new case. =)

149 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #140 allegro

It probably all ties together. I'll admit I've been jerked around and messed with by a fair number of cops, so I'm a bit jaundiced.

On the other hand, I'm not enough of a sucker to fall for their semi-legal (or illegal) tricks.

When a cop says to you:

Your partner has already confessed and fingered you

and you've never seen that person before, they're lying!


~~~~


err got a bit off tho'. As I thikn about it, you're right. Theres alot of pressure to catch people and 'look like you're doing something'. I think the hostility I was talking about comes in when they no longer care about WHO they catch, or how, as long as they get someone. If you liked your community, you wouldn't think that way.

150 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:03:57pm

re: #144 Charles

Well, Barrett has linked to LGF several times in his other posts -- and I'm going to be in his book too. So cut him a break, please...

yes, he is a good guy and I have made too much of it

151 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:04:12pm

re: #146 RogueOne

They waited and continued to sell him larger and larger amounts until they could justify a felony federal charge instead of just a misdemeanor state charge

On the job training. *sputter*

152 Blueheron  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:04:52pm

re: #6 cliffster

Wow, prison should be fun for a guy like him.


He will be a hero at the white side of the prison yard.

153 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:04:57pm

re: #143 albusteve

Per the story, the informant/connection essentially sold him on dealing and supplied him with all the meth.

154 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:05:09pm

re: #149 windsagio

It probably all ties together. I'll admit I've been jerked around and messed with by a fair number of cops, so I'm a bit jaundiced.

On the other hand, I'm not enough of a sucker to fall for their semi-legal (or illegal) tricks.

When a cop says to you:

and you've never seen that person before, they're lying!

~~~

err got a bit off tho'. As I thikn about it, you're right. Theres alot of pressure to catch people and 'look like you're doing something'. I think the hostility I was talking about comes in when they no longer care about WHO they catch, or how, as long as they get someone. If you liked your community, you wouldn't think that way.

Best video ever.

Youtube Video
155 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:05:39pm

Gotta run folks. Have a good night.

156 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:06:22pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

It's coming sooner- the NYT profile will be out in a few weeks, and Charles has deserved this sort of recognition for a long time.

that should be fun...I wonder what the upside to all that will be

157 Blueheron  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:07:02pm

re: #22 MandyManners

Is he on his way to Florence, CO, soon?


Florence? Oh boy. Loony tunes for him.

158 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:07:34pm

re: #153 windsagio

Per the story, the informant/connection essentially sold him on dealing and supplied him with all the meth.

there are entrapment laws...apparently he didn't beat them

159 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:07:46pm

re: #156 albusteve

that should be fun...I wonder what the upside to all that will be

Hopefully it means we'll get a nice spike in traffic, and that folks will like what they see, and they come back.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:08:09pm

re: #146 RogueOne

I agree, he was definitely in the wrong. The problem I have is they didn't arrest him was he was 16 with a 1/4 gram of meth on him. They waited and continued to sell him larger and larger amounts until they could justify a felony federal charge instead of just a misdemeanor state charge. Instead of tossing him in a juvi center and putting him in rehab they tossed him into a maximum federal facility.

Because it's a bigger feather in the cap of prosecutors!

161 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:09:48pm

re: #158 albusteve

there are entrapment laws...apparently he didn't beat them

It kinda sounds personal, did he have a beef with someone I wonder?

162 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:11:51pm

re: #158 albusteve

Thats the tragedy; Too many people just don't know how to properly defend themselves... and the polices COUNT on that kind of thing.

163 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:13:16pm

re: #146 RogueOne

I agree, he was definitely in the wrong. The problem I have is they didn't arrest him was he was 16 with a 1/4 gram of meth on him. They waited and continued to sell him larger and larger amounts until they could justify a felony federal charge instead of just a misdemeanor state charge. Instead of tossing him in a juvi center and putting him in rehab they tossed him into a maximum federal facility.

So the police sold him 3 lbs of meth and then busted him? Dude
I'm from California..I know who made meth in Cali.. The Bikers mostly...I knew a girl that dated one that never bought more than a 1/2lb at a time in his life..
We are talking 3 frigging lbs of meth on a kid 17 yrs old...And you blame the police cause they didn't catch him when he was 16?
I'm not getting it...

164 McSpiff  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:14:33pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

So the police sold him 3 lbs of meth and then busted him? Dude
I'm from California..I know who made meth in Cali.. The Bikers mostly...I knew a girl that dated one that never bought more than a 1/2lb at a time in his life..
We are talking 3 frigging lbs of meth on a kid 17 yrs old...And you blame the police cause they didn't catch him when he was 16?
I'm not getting it...

Its easy enough to catch him when the police are the ones selling to him. As was made clear in the first post on the subject.

165 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:14:56pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

And you blame the police cause they didn't catch him when he was 16?

If I understand it, it was the police who were selling the kid increasing amounts of meth for him to sell.

166 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:16:00pm

I didn't realize pamela geller was now a contributor to Front Page Magazine. She has posting privileges. I wonder if Horowitz pays her.

167 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:16:39pm

Kiss his ass.


Youtube Video
168 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:16:55pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

I didn't realize pamela geller was now a contributor to Front Page Magazine. She has posting privileges. I wonder if Horowitz pays her.

doesn't seem the type to give it away...

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:17:18pm

re: #158 albusteve

there are entrapment laws...apparently he didn't beat them

Helps to have a good defense attorney, which methed out kids tend not to have access to.

170 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:17:18pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

So the police sold him 3 lbs of meth and then busted him? Dude
I'm from California..I know who made meth in Cali.. The Bikers mostly...I knew a girl that dated one that never bought more than a 1/2lb at a time in his life..
We are talking 3 frigging lbs of meth on a kid 17 yrs old...And you blame the police cause they didn't catch him when he was 16?
I'm not getting it...

possessing three pounds of meth is easily life threatening...that's alot! and people will kill you for far less than that...I'm not getting it either

171 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:17:39pm

re: #168 brookly red

doesn't seem the type to give it away...

Apparently this just started a few days ago.

172 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:18:06pm

re: #165 allegro

If I understand it, it was the police who were selling the kid increasing amounts of meth for him to sell.

And meanwhile waiting til he was old enough to not be tried as a juvie, it seems.

If they were interested in the war in drugs, it would make more sense to bust teenagers when they're buying small amounts and make sure they go to rehab, rather than feed them increasing amounts of meth, teach them how to make it, and then bust them as some 'big time drug dealer' who you essentially created yourself.

173 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:18:06pm

re: #165 allegro

If I understand it, it was the police who were selling the kid increasing amounts of meth for him to sell.

I understand it was claimed cops sold a 17yr old 3 lbs of meth...
I'm not buying it.

174 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:18:16pm

The latest completely absurd claim being promoted by climate deniers at Pajamas Media -- there's no clean data on climate change anywhere. None. It's ALL been faked.

All of it.

These people are so deranged about this issue it completely boggles the mind.

175 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:18:48pm

re: #157 Blueheron

Florence? Oh boy. Loony tunes for him.

As others pointed out above, his crimes probably won't land him there.

176 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:19:41pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

I didn't realize pamela geller was now a contributor to Front Page Magazine. She has posting privileges. I wonder if Horowitz pays her.

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

177 Blueheron  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:19:52pm

re: #175 MandyManners

As others pointed out above, his crimes probably won't land him there.

Yes he isn't big enough stuff. Too bad. /

178 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:19:53pm

re: #170 albusteve

possessing three pounds of meth is easily life threatening...that's alot! and people will kill you for far less than that...I'm not getting it either

people have died for less than 15k too...

179 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:20:23pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Ooh. That was a low blow.

180 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:20:26pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

That's entirely possible. That said , I do know that back 40 years ago my friend's (koff) source for grass was Chicago cops. I can't discount anything.

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:20:44pm

re: #174 Charles

The latest completely absurd claim being promoted by climate deniers at Pajamas Media -- there's no clean data on climate change anywhere. None. It's ALL been faked.

All of it.

These people are so deranged about this issue it completely boggles the mind.

Standard procedure for people who don't care about the truth. Attack everything the other side says, accuse them of anything and everything. It reminds me of Soviet propaganda back in the bad old days, and it makes me sick that PJM has fallen to such depths.

182 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:20:55pm

re: #177 Blueheron

Yes he isn't big enough stuff. Too bad. /

I doubt he qualifies for a club fed, though.

183 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:21:52pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

I understand it was claimed cops sold a 17yr old 3 lbs of meth...
I'm not buying it.

Lets say that you're right, and that part isn't true. Nevertheless, the police supplied him with meth, and a police informant got him selling. You can't deny the injustice there just by denying one point you don't believe. Stuff like this happens all the time!

184 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:22:07pm

re: #179 MandyManners

Ooh. That was a low blow.

Yeah... But I laughed.

185 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:23:24pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

...it makes me sick that PJM has fallen to such depths.

Not half as sick as it makes me, I'll bet.

186 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:24:00pm

re: #174 Charles

The latest completely absurd claim being promoted by climate deniers at Pajamas Media -- there's no clean data on climate change anywhere. None. It's ALL been faked.

All of it.

These people are so deranged about this issue it completely boggles the mind.


PJM is the only website that I can say I've seen go into a spiral and crash...other sites pretty much went over my head but that one I've personally witnessed from legit to not...and VDH still posts there, a guy I like very much

187 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:24:35pm

re: #183 windsagio

Lets say that you're right, and that part isn't true. Nevertheless, the police supplied him with meth, and a police informant got him selling. You can't deny the injustice there just by denying one point you don't believe. Stuff like this happens all the time!

perhaps the take away point should be to stay away from drugs?

188 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:25:22pm

re: #178 brookly red

people have died for less than 15k too...

right...something is fishy...why set up some kid?...did a bigshot go down with him?, otherwise what's the point?

189 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:25:31pm

re: #184 Sharmuta

Yeah... But I laughed.

I blame the cough syrup. Lotsa' morphine.

190 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:25:59pm

re: #188 albusteve

right...something is fishy...why set up some kid?...did a bigshot go down with him?, otherwise what's the point?

For-profit prisons? Just a thought...

191 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:25:59pm

re: #187 brookly red

perhaps the take away point should be to stay away from drugs?

Quite Concur.

192 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:27:06pm

re: #188 albusteve

right...something is fishy...why set up some kid?...did a bigshot go down with him?, otherwise what's the point?

This is RogueOne's relative being discussed, not some random news story. I respectfully suggest that it might be better to have the discussion when he's around again, and any questions can be put directly to him.

193 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:27:15pm

re: #187 brookly red

perhaps the take away point should be to stay away from drugs?

"it's not the money, it's all the stuff"

194 Racer X  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:28:11pm

re: #174 Charles

The latest completely absurd claim being promoted by climate deniers at Pajamas Media -- there's no clean data on climate change anywhere. None. It's ALL been faked.

All of it.

These people are so deranged about this issue it completely boggles the mind.

Unreal.

The scientists at NASA and JPL have accomplished so much over the years. To think of the precision needed to make the Hubble telescope see so far, so clearly, is just amazing. They have demonstrated over and over they know their shit.

It is irritating - to say the least - that a group of maroons can now pretend those same scientists are inept, or worse, corrupt.

195 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:28:49pm

re: #158 albusteve

there are entrapment laws...apparently he didn't beat them

It's only entrapment if they trick him or talk him into doing something he wouldn't normally do. He'd been buying smaller amounts for over a year. They didn't entrap him, he was dumb and it was easy money. The meth trade through that part of Nebraska/S. Dakota/Iowa was huge. He could pick up in Omaha and make a couple hour trip to S. Dakota and make a killing.

196 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:28:52pm

re: #192 iceweasel

This is RogueOne's relative being discussed, not some random news story. I respectfully suggest that it might be better to have the discussion when he's around again, and any questions can be put directly to him.

ah no...he brought it up and I didn't know he was not here...how did you know that?

197 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:29:10pm

re: #189 MandyManners

I blame the cough syrup. Lotsa' morphine.

Considering pamela allows stalker comments at her site, you were nice.

198 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:29:38pm

re: #187 brookly red

Sure, but I think we all know that.

You could also put a takeaway as: kids are dumb.

The stronger point is that the police will do whatever they want in what they think is the line of duty... And unless you're the right class and appearance, shouldn't be trusted, or even talked to (watch that video above, its telling and well argued)... probably not even then.

199 The Mongoose  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:29:47pm

Love how neanderthals like White, despite living in perhaps the most free-speech friendly society in the world, still manage to find ways to go beyond any reasonable limit of decency or legality.

Hope he enjoys those 40 years. I imagine some of the other inmates may not take kindly to his point of view.

200 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:30:15pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

He had been buying since he was 16. If the goal of our drug laws is to keep people off of drugs they should have busted him then. Instead, they waited until they could bust him for a much larger crime once he got to be an adult.

201 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:30:28pm

re: #196 albusteve

ah no...he brought it up and I didn't know he was not here...how did you know that?

Actually, he is still here and just answered you. He said goodnight upthread, i thought.

202 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:30:31pm

re: #183 windsagio

Lets say that you're right, and that part isn't true. Nevertheless, the police supplied him with meth, and a police informant got him selling. You can't deny the injustice there just by denying one point you don't believe. Stuff like this happens all the time!


Maybe I know too many policeman.. Nobody got anybody to sell meth...A kid get's caught with 3lbs of a deadly drug and 15,000 dollars in cash so let's blame the cops for selling it to him...What? Even in 50 cent's movie get rich or die trying nobody claimed the police sold them the drugs...
Come on man!

203 recusancy  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:30:39pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

...it makes me sick that PJM has fallen to such depths.

Have they changed in any way? From an outsider's perspective (mine) this seems to be what they've always done.

204 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:30:47pm

re: #188 albusteve

right...something is fishy...why set up some kid?...did a bigshot go down with him?, otherwise what's the point?

well as I said before it sounds personal, I went to school with a guy that did big time for cocaine, (Yes he did the crime) and he was set up & busted shortly after he broke off his engagement with someone important's daughter.

Anything is possible, stay away from drugs.

205 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:31:11pm

re: #195 RogueOne

It's only entrapment if they trick him or talk him into doing something he wouldn't normally do. He'd been buying smaller amounts for over a year. They didn't entrap him, he was dumb and it was easy money. The meth trade through that part of Nebraska/S. Dakota/Iowa was huge. He could pick up in Omaha and make a couple hour trip to S. Dakota and make a killing.

still, he's a kid...got people undercover, setting him up in a life threatening scenario...very bad business...did the cops blow a shot at a bigger guy or gang?

206 Stanghazi  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:31:14pm

re: #200 RogueOne

He had been buying since he was 16. If the goal of our drug laws is to keep people off of drugs they should have busted him then. Instead, they waited until they could bust him for a much larger crime once he got to be an adult.

And by that time I'm assuming he was pretty whacked out on the stuff too.

207 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:32:07pm

re: #173 HoosierHoops

I understand it was claimed cops sold a 17yr old 3 lbs of meth...
I'm not buying it.

The feds didn't sell it to him. Their informant did but he was getting his stuff straight from the feds. They have anti-meth operations set up like that all over the country.

208 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:32:59pm

re: #207 RogueOne

The feds didn't sell it to him. Their informant did but he was getting his stuff straight from the feds. They have anti-meth operations set up like that all over the country.

It sounds more like the feds are among the major dealers.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:33:07pm

re: #190 allegro

For-profit prisons? Just a thought...

Putting people away is always a good career move for prosecutors. Note how many prosecutors go on to be politicians.

210 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:33:15pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

And by that time I'm assuming he was pretty whacked out on the stuff too.

Oh yeah, he was a good looking kid. Middle class neighborhood, nice family. By the time he finally got busted he looked horrible. 6'5" and maybe weighed 150lbs with his clothes on.

211 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:33:44pm

re: #205 albusteve

With my understanding of your viewpoint, I'm surprised you can take such a sanguine view of the power structure.

212 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:33:51pm

re: #204 brookly red

well as I said before it sounds personal, I went to school with a guy that did big time for cocaine, (Yes he did the crime) and he was set up & busted shortly after he broke off his engagement with someone important's daughter.

Anything is possible, stay away from drugs.

bad cops are the worst of the worse...tghis whole story sounds vindictive and needless...and some punk kid went down for the big one...digusting

213 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:34:24pm

re: #203 recusancy

Have they changed in any way? From an outsider's perspective (mine) this seems to be what they've always done.

Well, they've sucked for a long time, but their founding mission was supposed to be completely different from what they've become.

214 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:36:07pm

re: #211 windsagio

With my understanding of your viewpoint, I'm surprised you can take such a sanguine view of the power structure.

my viewpoint is that a young boy was used for the benefit of others who are perverting justice for their own reasons

215 recusancy  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:36:36pm

re: #213 iceweasel

Well, they've sucked for a long time, but their founding mission was supposed to be completely different from what they've become.

haha... When's the last time anything political in nature stuck to it's founding mission for more then a second?

216 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:36:37pm

re: #213 iceweasel

Well, they've sucked for a long time, but their founding mission was supposed to be completely different from what they've become.

Hello beautiful..You and jimmah going to a little romantic place this weekend?

217 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:36:45pm

U.S. charges 3 accused of al Qaeda link in drug case

Three West African men accused by U.S. law enforcement of having ties to al Qaeda were extradited to New York on Friday on drug trafficking and terrorism charges, authorities said.

According to a criminal complaint unsealed on Friday, the men are accused of plotting to transport cocaine through Africa with the intent to support al Qaeda, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

Interesting.

218 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:37:04pm

OT: I guess Pakistan isn't the only place we are using missiles and drones to go after Islamic terrorists. Yemen is also getting our attention in the form of Missile strikes...

SAN'A, Yemen - U.S. Navy warships fired missiles at suspected al-Qaida training camps in Yemen, with that government's support, Pentagon sources tell NBC News.

One U.S. official said President Barack Obama personally ordered the missile strikes in northern Yemen.

Yemen's government on Thursday said it had launched an attack on al-Qaida camps in the south, killing at least 34 suspected militants.

Seems as if the war keeps moving, Afghanistan, Yemen, Indonesia, the Philippines, etc, etc... This is definitely not going to be over any time soon.

219 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:37:05pm

re: #214 albusteve

my viewpoint is that a young boy was used for the benefit of others who are perverting justice for their own reasons

Sheehs, there ya go again, saying something to make me like you. ;)

220 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:37:34pm

re: #214 albusteve

my viewpoint is that a young boy was used for the benefit of others who are perverting justice for their own reasons

allegedly we just don't know

221 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:38:04pm

Hot Air decided to put its bogus baby killing story in their top stories section. Commenters are bashing Charles now. Apparently Bill O'Rielly covered the story last night too. It couldn't possibly be true, could it? There's no MSM fact checking on the claim and everybody's sticking to their story. Something's not right. The woman, if innocent, has one hell of a lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk case. She's be very wealthy.

222 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #216 HoosierHoops

Hello beautiful..You and jimmah going to a little romantic place this weekend?

Hey sweetie! Actually we are! (kind of)
I'm back in the US, Jimmah arrives in a couple of days, and we're getting married in a seekrit location right after xmas. :)
How's by you? And winston?

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:38:43pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Hot Air decided to put its bogus baby killing story in their top stories section. Commenters are bashing Charles now. Apparently Bill O'Rielly covered the story last night too. It couldn't possibly be true, could it? There's no MSM fact checking on the claim and everybody's sticking to their story. Something's not right. The woman, if innocent, has one hell of a lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk case. She's be very wealthy.

I'm smelling another Terri Schiavo-style feeding frenzy.

224 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:39:08pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Hot Air decided to put its bogus baby killing story in their top stories section. Commenters are bashing Charles now. Apparently Bill O'Rielly covered the story last night too. It couldn't possibly be true, could it? There's no MSM fact checking on the claim and everybody's sticking to their story. Something's not right. The woman, if innocent, has one hell of a lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk case. She's be very wealthy.

It's definitely not true. The Virginia statute could not be clearer.

225 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:39:16pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

U.S. charges 3 accused of al Qaeda link in drug case


Interesting.

the feds are on a rampage!...rockem sockem!...you wanna fuck around the back door?, we're here for you!

226 Kruk  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:39:30pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Hot Air decided to put its bogus baby killing story in their top stories section. Commenters are bashing Charles now. Apparently Bill O'Rielly covered the story last night too. It couldn't possibly be true, could it? There's no MSM fact checking on the claim and everybody's sticking to their story. Something's not right. The woman, if innocent, has one hell of a lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk case. She's be very wealthy.

Of course, if she did that, people would be claiming she got rich by being a baby killer. *Spits*

227 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:40:22pm

re: #223 WindUpBird

I'm thinking there's a terribly freaked out young woman whose baby died when she tried to give birth alone in the middle of the night. That's the only story I'm seeing and it's heartbreaking.

228 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:40:23pm

re: #220 brookly red

allegedly we just don't know

no we don't...but I'm naturally suspicious of authority, period

229 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:40:31pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

U.S. charges 3 accused of al Qaeda link in drug case


Interesting.

Chavez just loves FARC.

230 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:40:41pm

re: #218 ausador

OT: I guess Pakistan isn't the only place we are using missiles and drones to go after Islamic terrorists. Yemen is also getting our attention in the form of Missile strikes...

Seems as if the war keeps moving, Afghanistan, Yemen, Indonesia, the Philippines, etc, etc... This is definitely not going to be over any time soon.

well I do believe a world wide caliphate was mentioned...

231 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:40:52pm

re: #222 iceweasel

Hey sweetie! Actually we are! (kind of)
I'm back in the US, Jimmah arrives in a couple of days, and we're getting married in a seekrit location right after xmas. :)
How's by you? And winston?

I love a good love story..Winston and I wish you the very best..
/Winston says not to let Jimmah marry you in a scottish kilt on a windy day.
Kind regards

232 windsagio  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:41:13pm

re: #214 albusteve

Good answer! I guess my difference is I believe its systemic >

233 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:42:12pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Hot Air decided to put its bogus baby killing story in their top stories section. Commenters are bashing Charles now. Apparently Bill O'Rielly covered the story last night too. It couldn't possibly be true, could it? There's no MSM fact checking on the claim and everybody's sticking to their story. Something's not right. The woman, if innocent, has one hell of a lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk case. She's be very wealthy.

Wow. I love those comments! They're calling my post "venomous," and meanwhile ignoring the comments right there in front of them threatening to hunt down the mother and kill her, and wishing for her to be raped by an AIDS patient.

234 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:42:25pm

re: #174 Charles


These people are so deranged about this issue it completely boggles the mind.

It's a kind of mania, I think. There is a desperate need to believe that one is right once one has gone so far out on the limb, and the right-o-sphere is so far out on the proverbial limb they can't find their way back.

There is a tie-in, too, to some deeply held religious beliefs, including the civil-religion.

235 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:42:51pm

Why the Auschwitz sign is irreplaceable

Both the United States Holocaust Museum in Washington and Yad Vashem in Jerusalem tell the story in powerful and sophisticated ways, leaving the visitor shaken and emotionally distraught.

In contrast, the Auschwitz State Museum encompasses a collection of dated national pavilions housed in the camp's stone barracks. Designed in the 1950s, it is a poor pedagogic instrument in desperate need of updating.

But all this is really secondary. The visitor to Auschwitz knows he is walking along that same platform where half a century ago Dr Mengele was directing victims to the gas chambers. He is looking at the same electrified fence that had imprisoned countless slave labourers.

236 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:44:08pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

Why the Auschwitz sign is irreplaceable

I still cannot figure out what kind of depraved asshole would steal that sign.

237 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:44:22pm

re: #224 Charles

It's definitely not true. The Virginia statute could not be clearer.

It's just so bizarre they'd stick with something so obviously bogus. How is that investigator not being fired? Why doesn't that woman have a lawyer filing libel lawsuits? Why aren't the lefties/ACLU on the case?
Sometimes I have to question my own sanity.

238 Cathypop  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:44:26pm

re: #233 Charles
Little ass-wipes have to have someone to pick on. It makes their life

239 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:44:27pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Hot Air decided to put its bogus baby killing story in their top stories section. Commenters are bashing Charles now. Apparently Bill O'Rielly covered the story last night too. It couldn't possibly be true, could it? There's no MSM fact checking on the claim and everybody's sticking to their story. Something's not right. The woman, if innocent, has one hell of a lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk case. She's be very wealthy.

Who knows, I thought the entire point was that with the information we have been given so far it is impossible to know. Well, and that the county prosecuter there is either talking out of his ass or has a severe problem with reading comprehension since he is the one saying that it is impossible to prosecute this woman even if she had "shot or stabbed" her own baby.

The law as Charles cited it here seems fairly straightforward to me, I really can't see where he is getting his interpretation of it from.

240 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:44:40pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I still cannot figure out what kind of depraved asshole would steal that sign.

Friends of Bill White, perhaps. That kind.

241 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:46:57pm

BTW, they're still going at it in Copenhagen.

The EU just finished their press conference.

The Australian press conference from a couple of hours ago is available on demand:
[Link: www3.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

The Conference of Parties is still in business, and the negotiations of the 25 countries will be presented to the full 193 body:

[Link: www3.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

242 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:47:01pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

Friends of Bill White, perhaps. That kind.

I would think it would be quite a treasure to some people... odd that it wasn't guarded more carefully.

243 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:47:02pm

re: #205 albusteve

244 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:47:11pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

Friends of Bill White, perhaps. That kind.

yes, good call

245 recusancy  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:47:31pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

It's just so bizarre they'd stick with something so obviously bogus. How is that investigator not being fired? Why doesn't that woman have a lawyer filing libel lawsuits? Why aren't the lefties/ACLU on the case?
Sometimes I have to question my own sanity.

It doesn't matter whether it can be proved false or not. The minute that the story dies because it's bogus they move on to the next thing. There's no accountability for being wrong. It would just be played off as the MSM's fault or something and never heard of again. Meanwhile, they'll have enraged their idiot minions who will, a year from now, probably recall the story as having been completely true. It serves their purpose and that's all that matters.

246 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:49:04pm

re: #245 recusancy

It serves their purpose and that's all that matters.

At the expense of a desperate young woman. It shouldn't be a surprise - and isn't - but it still is sick-making.

247 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:50:52pm

I'll put on my tinfoil hat. I suspect that they're going to try to craft a new law that criminalizes killing a fetus/baby while it's attached to the umbilical chord to attempt to prosecute an abortion doctor. They needed an incident so they got this police investigator to set up some woman whose newborn died from crib death/accident/neglect. Maybe they had to wait for an incident with a woman who might be too poor an uneducated to get immediate legal help. Maybe she has a rap sheet or a drug problem and is an unsympathetic character.
/hat off

248 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:51:39pm

re: #245 recusancy

You're probably right.

249 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:52:25pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Ya think???? It isn't like this is anything new.

250 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:52:35pm

Hmm. I'm on my blackberry and somethin happened to that last response. BTW, I knew spending a couple hours trying to get my blackberry to work on LGF would be worth it.

251 Racer X  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:53:03pm

THE RODEO SONG

Youtube Video

Well, its forty below
I got a heater in the truck

252 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:55:10pm

re: #250 RogueOne

Hmm. I'm on my blackberry and somethin happened to that last response. BTW, I knew spending a couple hours trying to get my blackberry to work on LGF would be worth it.

We need an app for the new Blackberry's..LGF does not render well in the browser...

253 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:55:16pm

OT: Maddow to report on the JBS CPAC sponsorship shortly.

254 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:55:20pm

re: #251 Racer X

THE RODEO SONG

[Video]
well that was prety awfull
Well, its forty below
I got a heater in the truck

255 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:55:48pm

re: #241 freetoken

Bless you for listening to that!

256 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:56:33pm

my foo needs adjusting...need some practice with IE7

257 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:56:49pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

Friends of Bill White, perhaps. That kind.

Indeed. Trying to finish what their mentors started by trying to erase their mentors' crimes (the Nazis tried to destroy the evidence of their mass murder at Auschwitz). As a student of World War II, I know some the lengths the Nazis went to cover up their crimes. Now, their vile inheritors have picked up the task of burying the truth with lies. It won't work, though. The truth will not be buried, though Bill White will never admit it.

258 recusancy  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:56:58pm

Meanwhile the GOP is busy trying to filibuster troop funding.

259 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:58:20pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

I'll put on my tinfoil hat. I suspect that they're going to try to craft a new law that criminalizes killing a fetus/baby while it's attached to the umbilical chord to attempt to prosecute an abortion doctor.

This part isn't tinfoil hatty at all. They're doing it right now in OK (attempting to establish various guidelines that open the door to the prosecution of abortion providers) and it's done all the time in other states as well. (Cf the frivolous trials that Tiller endured).
Whenever you see laws being enacted to restrict access to abortion, they are always at least as much about discouraging doctors from providing abortions as they are about restricting women's access to it. The former helps them with their plan for the latter.

260 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:58:38pm

try this...

Youtube Video
261 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:59:02pm

re: #255 Floral Giraffe

Well thank you... but as I said last night, I ignore most of it while I'm monitoring what is happening.

BTW, the presser by the Australian PM is good, I think. He does well in handling tough questions. He remarked, repeatedly, on how hard the negotiations were the last 24 hours.

In the plenary that is about to restart, we'll see if any of the other 193 countries object. It's possible that someone like Venezuela or Cuba will object that it wasn't "democratic".

262 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 5:59:49pm

re: #259 iceweasel

If they can't change the law, make it impossible with a thousand cuts.

263 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:00:34pm

re: #249 allegro

Ya think??? It isn't like this is anything new.

Well, by definition it is a conspiracy theory but nothing else really makes sense. I'm not sure why this one bothers me so much. It's just unfathomable to me that people would be so evil and heartless to set up on innocent woman whose baby just died. Evil is the only word I can think of.

264 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:00:38pm

The Australian PM btw gave Obama part of the credit for getting what little bit of a deal that was concluded done.

265 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:01:31pm

re: #258 recusancy

Meanwhile the GOP is busy trying to filibuster troop funding.

Naw, they are just doing that to keep the healthcare amendments from coming to a vote. It just happened to be on the calender first so they are going to drag it out as long as they possibly can. It isn't that they are really against funding the troops...

/not quite yet anyway.

266 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:02:11pm

re: #262 allegro

If they can't change the law, make it impossible with a thousand cuts.

bottom line...it would be nice if males and females were more responsible with their sexual activity so that fewer abortions are needed...there are far too many abortions in the US...we can do better

267 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:02:21pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Oh, I agree, it's entirely evil. But they don't care about that slut who got herself knocked up with her sinful fucking, or even her dead infant. It's all about their world order.

268 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:02:38pm

OUTRAGIOUS CRIME OF THE DAY!! THE AUSCHWITZ CONCERTRATIONCAMP GATE IS STOLEN!!


From the BBC:

Polish police are using a sniffer dog in their search for thieves who took the infamous Arbeit Macht Frei sign over the entrance to Auschwitz.

Detectives and other police officers were sent to the site of the former Nazi camp where more than one million people, mostly Jewish, were murdered.

A replica of the sign, which translates as "Work Sets You Free", has been put up temporarily.

The theft on Friday has caused outrage in Israel, Poland and elsewhere.

"The theft of such a symbolic object is an attack on the memory of the Holocaust, and an escalation from those elements that would like to return us to darker days," said Avner Shalev from the Yad Vashem memorial centre in Jerusalem.

"I call on all enlightened forces in the world who fight against anti-Semitism, racism, xenophobia and the hatred of the other to join together to combat these trends."

In Brussels, European Parliament President Jerzy Buzek, a former Polish prime minister, appealed to the thieves to return the sign.

"Give it back out of respect for the suffering of over a million victims, murdered in this Nazi camp, the biggest cemetery of humankind," he said.


Rest of the bulletin.

How is this possibe??!! What can someone do with this memento which is so important in the history of the world? This is an outcry! 6 million Jews died in the second worldwar and Auschwitz was the most infamous place of that era. And now almost 70 years later the place is desecrated!


Heinous!! Absolutely heanous!

269 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:02:48pm

re: #259 iceweasel

This part isn't tinfoil hatty at all. They're doing it right now in OK (attempting to establish various guidelines that open the door to the prosecution of abortion providers) and it's done all the time in other states as well. (Cf the frivolous trials that Tiller endured).
Whenever you see laws being enacted to restrict access to abortion, they are always at least as much about discouraging doctors from providing abortions as they are about restricting women's access to it. The former helps them with their plan for the latter.

Moreover, even if the laws passed are defeated, abortion providers are forced to shell out time and money fighting them and they don't get it back. Add to that the doctors who stop performing abortions due to fears of being prosecuted and you find the name of the strategy being used:

Death By a Thousand Cuts. Basically, its guerrilla lawfare, intended to wear the opposition down,

/I'm pro-life, but that doesn't mean I approve of such tactics.

270 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:03:09pm

re: #268 William of Orange

already posted

271 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:03:39pm

Speaking of friends of Bill White... Stacy's daughter is engaged to "an Argentine".

He has an interesting list of reasons why he likes this.

272 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:04:36pm

re: #266 albusteve

bottom line...it would be nice if males and females were more responsible with their sexual activity so that fewer abortions are needed...there are far too many abortions in the US...we can do better

Bottom line: make contraceptives more affordable and more available. Teach comprehensive sex ed to every kid, including birth control information. Stop the slut shaming and allow women their sexuality, free, proud, and responsible. Then we might cut the number of abortions necessary.

273 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:05:25pm

re: #262 allegro

If they can't change the law, make it impossible with a thousand cuts.

Absolutely. Roe v Wade isn't going to be overturned, so the best strategy they have is to make an endrun around it at the local (state) levels.

It's exactly like the theocrat strategy vis-a-vis creationism and other topics. They infiltrate politics at the local and grass roots level, get appointed to school boards, and try to approve text books or pass curriculum guidelines that are in line with their agenda. Creationists explictly adopted that bottom-up strategy back in the 90's IIRC -- but they were only copying the strategy the anti-choice people had already adopted.

274 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:06:31pm

re: #231 HoosierHoops

I love a good love story..Winston and I wish you the very best..
/Winston says not to let Jimmah marry you in a scottish kilt on a windy day.
Kind regards

hi there Hoops!thanks to you and Winston for your kind wishes from both of us! You'd have a job getting me in a kilt on a windy day in Scotland never mind the streets of xxxxxxx at this time of year ;-)

then again...

Youtube Video
275 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:07:43pm

re: #268 William of Orange

OUTRAGIOUS CRIME OF THE DAY!! THE AUSCHWITZ CONCERTRATIONCAMP GATE IS STOLEN!!

From the BBC:


Rest of the bulletin.

How is this possibe??!! What can someone do with this memento which is so important in the history of the world? This is an outcry! 6 million Jews died in the second worldwar and Auschwitz was the most infamous place of that era. And now almost 70 years later the place is desecrated!

Heinous!! Absolutely heanous!

I agree with Sharmuta: It was done by people like Bill White who seek to bury the truth of the Holocaust. Here's a Times of London article on that:

Neo-Nazis suspected of raid on Auschwitz ‘to rewrite history’

276 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:07:57pm

re: #272 allegro

Bottom line: make contraceptives more affordable and more available. Teach comprehensive sex ed to every kid, including birth control information. Stop the slut shaming and allow women their sexuality, free, proud, and responsible. Then we might cut the number of abortions necessary.

OK, sounds about right. My only question is necessary for what?

277 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:08:14pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

Speaking of friends of Bill White... Stacy's daughter is engaged to "an Argentine".

He has an interesting list of reasons why he likes this.

Ethnic German?

278 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #276 brookly red

OK, sounds about right. My only question is necessary for what?

Are you really asking that seriously? Do you take having the responsibility for a child so lightly?

279 recusancy  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:09:52pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

Speaking of friends of Bill White... Stacy's daughter is engaged to "an Argentine".

He has an interesting list of reasons why he likes this.

Isn't that where a lot of war criminal nazis found refuge?

280 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:09:53pm

re: #276 brookly red

OK, sounds about right. My only question is necessary for what?

Necessary for women to have autonomy and control over their reproductive destinies, their bodies, and their lives, a freedom that men have always had and have taken for granted due to the accident of biology that makes only one sex capable of getting pregnant.

281 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:10:01pm

Attn: foodies and wanna be foodies

Gordon Ramsey (the angry British guy who's always yelling a people about risotto) has is now doing an American version of his Chanel4 show.
Cook Along Live

Not really my cup of tea but some people might like it. A 3 course meal cooked in real time and I guess the premise is that you're supposed to cook along at home with him. Some silly skits and celebrity appearances mixed in for entertainment value.
We'll see what they do with the show. The British versions of his shows have a lot of food awareness themes; free range meat, organic ingredients and most of all getting people cooking at home instead of eating packaged food and take away meals. Give it a watch is your curious and if it motivates you to cook at home then I guess it's a good thing.

282 Racer X  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:10:17pm

re: #264 freetoken

The Australian PM btw gave Obama part of the credit for getting what little bit of a deal that was concluded done.

He really is the one!
- Morpheus

283 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:10:51pm

re: #277 MandyManners

Ethnic German?

Probably. Lots of Germans fled to Argentina after WWII. Chicago also saw a notable number of German nationals (including several war criminals) settle here as well (though Chicago already had a large ethnic German population).

284 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:11:03pm

re: #278 allegro

Are you really asking that seriously? Do you take having the responsibility for a child so lightly?

not lightly at all, I just question the use of the word necessary... I agreed with all you other points.

285 brookly red  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:12:36pm

re: #280 iceweasel

Necessary for women to have autonomy and control over their reproductive destinies, their bodies, and their lives, a freedom that men have always had and have taken for granted due to the accident of biology that makes only one sex capable of getting pregnant.

OK, that answers my question.

286 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:12:53pm

re: #274 Jimmah

hi there Hoops!thanks to you and Winston for your kind wishes from both of us! You'd have a job getting me in a kilt on a windy day in Scotland never mind the streets of xxx at this time of year ;-)

then again...


LOL..You know last summer I was watching the Spanish F-1 on tv on a sunday morning when the overhead helicopter shots were showing girls topless on the local Yachts.. I was posting..Ice! did you see that? I love Europe! She agreed..you are a lucky guy...*wink*

287 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:15:40pm

re: #280 iceweasel

Thank you. :)

288 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:15:51pm

Well, the 193 countries have been given 1 hour to read the "Copenhagen Accord", huddle in their groups, and report back on whether they accept it.

Ooopppsss...

Tuvalu is objecting... and, noted that the announcements coming from the pressers is disrespectful of other nations.

289 Kruk  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:15:57pm

re: #280 iceweasel

Necessary for women to have autonomy and control over their reproductive destinies, their bodies, and their lives, a freedom that men have always had and have taken for granted due to the accident of biology that makes only one sex capable of getting pregnant.

And yet, a not insignificant part of the pro-life movement oppose contraception, the one thing that allows modern women to approach sex with anything like the freedom men have. I wonder why that is....

290 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:16:59pm

re: #288 freetoken

Tuvalu

Where the heck izzat?

291 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:17:43pm

Tuvalu just pulled out the "30 pieces of silver" line to state that they cannot accept the accord.

292 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:18:00pm

re: #270 albusteve

already posted

Sorry, had to get it off my mind. I'm not a Jew but I see injustice to those people when I see it. And sorry if it was posted before, I missed it earlier.

293 albusteve  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:19:18pm

re: #292 William of Orange

Sorry, had to get it off my mind. I'm not a Jew but I see injustice to those people when I see it. And sorry if it was posted before, I missed it earlier.

that's cool

294 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:19:42pm

re: #290 allegro

They have throat singers, it's on the edge of Nepal, IIRC.
Richard Feynman wanted to go there. It was verbotten.

295 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:20:05pm

re: #289 Kruk

And yet, a not insignificant part of the pro-life movement oppose contraception, the one thing that allows modern women to approach sex with anything like the freedom men have. I wonder why that is...

Because their agenda has nothing to do with the welfare of women or children, but about the control of women's bodies and sexuality. *

*i speak of the anti-choice folks here, obviously, not those who have personal moral issues about abortion but don't want to take the choice away from others. Those folks agree with the pro-choice people about enabling access to contraception and reducing the need for abortion in the first place.

296 lostlakehiker  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:20:26pm

re: #174 Charles

The latest completely absurd claim being promoted by climate deniers at Pajamas Media -- there's no clean data on climate change anywhere. None. It's ALL been faked.

All of it.

These people are so deranged about this issue it completely boggles the mind.

All faked? Reminds me of the joke about the North Korean negotiator who was in Seoul and told his S.K. counterpart that he was on to the show of prosperity that Seoul was making: those cars all over the streets had been rented for the occasion.

Bowing his head, the S.K. confessed that yes, that's how they'd done it, but the really hard part had been renting all those new skyscrapers.

The really hard part about faking all the data has been putting up giant magnifying glasses into orbit so as to melt back most glaciers from space and make it seem the world is getting warmer overall. You can tell that's how it's done because in New Zealand, which is down under so no satellites can get into position above it because they'd fall, has growing glaciers.

/

297 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:20:32pm

re: #294 Floral Giraffe

Ah, thanks. Why wouldn't they let Feynman in?

298 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:21:27pm

re: #297 allegro

No Westerners allowed, here's the book title.
I HIGHLY recomend it!
Use Charle's Amazon linky!
"Tuva or Bust! Richard Feynman's Last Journey"

299 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:22:09pm

re: #298 Floral Giraffe

Thanks!

300 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:23:18pm

re: #294 Floral Giraffe

They have throat singers, it's on the edge of Nepal, IIRC.
Richard Feynman wanted to go there. It was verbotten.

One "lu" too many, Floral. That's Tuva. Tuvalu is a soon to be former island nation in the Pacific--hence their concern.

301 allegro  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:24:50pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

One "lu" too many, Floral. That's Tuva. Tuvalu is a soon to be former island nation in the Pacific--hence their concern.

So which is the objector? Tuva or Tuvalu?

302 RogueOne  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:24:52pm

re: #252 HoosierHoops

I'm using the bolt browser. Seems to be working pretty well. All the buttons on the page are working. The standard browser wouldn't work for crap if there were too many comments plus it looked crappy. I really like the new opera mini but it won't let me reply on LGF.

303 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:26:31pm

re: #301 allegro

So which is the objector? Tuva or Tuvalu?

I think Freetoken reported "Tuvalu".

304 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:26:38pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

LOL..You know last summer I was watching the Spanish F-1 on tv on a sunday morning when the overhead helicopter shots were showing girls topless on the local Yachts.. I was posting..Ice! did you see that? I love Europe! She agreed..you are a lucky guy...*wink*

Yes - insanely lucky. I know it.

We both love America too of course ;-)

Youtube Video
305 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:34:42pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Well, I was close!
LOL!

306 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

That was a really dumb mistake, and I am embarrassed by making it.

307 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:43:51pm

re: #306 Floral Giraffe

Someone did a discussion on throat singing a few days back--it's their fault.

308 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:55:42pm

Hey! There are clips of RSM speaking on YouTube!

309 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:59:15pm

re: #308 The Sanity Inspector

You'll go blind if you watch them.

310 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 7:05:13pm

re: #309 freetoken

You'll go blind if you watch them.

Yipes, you're right! Can't see a thing here:

Youtube Video
311 SixDegrees  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:24:17am

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

I agree with Sharmuta: It was done by people like Bill White who seek to bury the truth of the Holocaust. Here's a Times of London article on that:

Neo-Nazis suspected of raid on Auschwitz ‘to rewrite history’

Possible, although I think it's more likely the neo-Nazis stole it as a memento, something for them to worship.

Last week I read an article about the final disposition of Hitler's body. Apparently, the Soviets interred it, along with his family, on one of their military bases in East Germany and kept the location an absolute secret. When the base was slated for closure in the early 70s, they burned the bodies and scattered them in a river. Their motivation for all this secrecy was keeping Nazis from using the gravesite as a focal point for their hate, and they were even concerned that bits of the body would be stolen and preserved for adulation and...well, I really don't want to think much beyond that, but there's a reason Nazi symbols are strictly outlawed in Germany and much of Europe - those old supporters and their new recruites will all too readily fawn over them and use them to amplify their disease.

312 SixDegrees  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:25:49am

re: #294 Floral Giraffe

They have throat singers, it's on the edge of Nepal, IIRC.
Richard Feynman wanted to go there. It was verbotten.

He eventually made it. Someone made a documentary of the trip, and all the planning that led up to it. Might have been PBS.


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