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As long as the world shall last, there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever.
— Clarence Darrow
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:16:41pm |
Night, all!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:16:54pm |
Very wise words. Perfection in this life is impossible. Bad things will happen and the important thing is to fix them, instead of whining about them.
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Summer Seale Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:18:25pm |
As long as the world shall last, there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever.— Clarence Darrow
“Avon: That one is Cally; I shall introduce her more formally when she wakes up. This one is Vila; I should really introduce him now, he’s at his best when he’s unconscious.” - Avon, Blake’s 7 (Played by Paul Darrow) =)
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Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:25:55pm |
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iceweasel Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:45:18pm |
From Darrow’s famous closing at the Leopold and Loeb trial, quoting Housman:
Now hollow fires burn out to black,
And lights are fluttering low:
Square your shoulders, lift your pack
And leave your friends and go.
O never fear, lads, naught’s to dread,
Look not left nor right:
In all the endless road you tread
There’s nothing but the night.
I care not, your Honor, whether the march begins at the gallows or when the gates of Joilet close upon them, there is nothing but the night, and that is little for any human being to expect.
And I must leave and go as well. Night folks.
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Cheechako Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:52:07pm |
Quick posting before heading to bed.
Looks like the 8,000,000th comment will be posted in the next few days. Are we setting up a pool to see who gets it?
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:29:41am |
“Congress shall make no law … prohibiting … the right of the people … to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
From the First Amendment to the Constitution.
And remember, if the government is spying on you in secret, searching or detaining you without a warrant, then you do not often know that you have been aggrieved and have no opportunity to petition for a redress.
And the Constitution was drafted with an eye on human nature. Even in the most noble of pursuits, such as protecting Americans from terror and crime, there will be errors, excesses and conflicts of interest.
The government must allow its people the right to defend themselves against these.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:54:51am |
Good Morning Lizards. Looks like a slow overnight! Still cold in Jax, these heat pumps can’t keep up with “real” cold temps (30 degrees F).
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:36:06am |
re: #12 rwdflynavy
Problem with a heat pump is that it is slow in reacting, you have to turn it up days in advance if you know a cold snap is coming.
It is down into the teens here in Germany, fortunately, we have a combination wood/oil heating system, as long as we keep it well stoked we are toasty warm without astronomical heating costs.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:38:34am |
The case against Andal Ampatuan Jnr, a local mayor and a leader of a powerful clan, has thrown the spotlight on the nation’s corruption-plagued political and justice systems.
More than 30 heavily-armed police escorts took Ampatuan to a special court inside the national police headquarters for his arraignment and a bail hearing, the first steps in judicial proceedings that many fear could drag on for years.
“Not guilty,” Ampatuan Jnr’s lawyer Sigfrid Fortun told the court when asked to enter a plea as his client stood beside him.
The judge adjourned the hearing until January 13 after the prosecution asked to present over a dozen witnesses to block Ampatuan’s application for bail.
Ampatuan Jnr allegedly led 100 of his men in stopping a convoy carrying supporters of a political rival and journalists in the southern province of Maguindanao on November 23.
The victims were systematically murdered and buried in shallow pits or dumped in grasslands near a highway in Maguindanao, where Amapatuan Jnr’s father and namesake was governor.
Those killed in the worst political murders in the Philippines included pregnant women and about 30 journalists.
SNIP
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:40:28am |
The current rumblings from universities highlight the evolution of the opposition movement. What began as raw and angry voter backlash after last June’s disputed presidential election has moved to a possibly deeper and more ingrained fight against Iran’s Islamic leaders.
The letter signed by the 88 instructors was issued as university students around Iran staged acts of defiance — including hunger strikes and exam boycotts — to protest reported arrests and intimidation by hard-line forces, according to witnesses and reformist Web sites.
The government, meanwhile, stepped up its accusations that the West is fomenting Iran’s postelection turmoil, saying that foreign nationals were among those arrested in the most recent clashes.
SNIP
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:47:47am |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:50:23am |
“This is a game-changing event for the tax system,” said IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman, who acted after the agency spent six months studying and holding hearings on the idea.
SNIP
In a joint statement Monday, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, noted that back in 2006 they’d held hearings on the problem—after GAO employees, posing as taxpayers, visited 19 outlets of commercial chain preparers and found 17 made substantive mistakes that affected the refund amount. During hearings last year, the nation’s two largest tax preparation chains, H&R Block ( HRB - news - people ) and Jackson Hewitt Tax Service Inc. ( JTX - news - people ), both endorsed regulation and testing of tax preparers, although H&R Block recommended a self-regulatory agency, instead of the IRS, do it.
SNIP
Taxpayers who do their own returns now mostly rely on software, such as Intuit’s ( INTU - news - people ) TurboTax and H&R Block’s At Home. The IRS will set up a task force to study whether some regulation of software is also needed. “There is quite a bit of commercial pressure for software to work,” Shulman noted. But he added that there might be software security issues the IRS needs to address.
SNIP
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Sacred Plants Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:58:42am |
As long as the world is wrong, some wrongs are more wrong than others, and rebeling against these does require to challenge the assumtion that your objection was wrong.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:01:43am |
Originally, just over 60 percent of the population were to receive kits, but a decision to extend that protection to the whole country means the production of the necessary equipment has been stepped-up, and another billion shekels is needed to fund to the endeavor.
SNIP
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:09:14am |
He is said to have been a doctor from Jordan, arrested there a year ago.
He was then reportedly recruited by the Jordanians and CIA, who wrongly thought they had turned him, and given a mission to find al-Qaeda leaders.
The reports came as the top US military intelligence officer in Afghanistan issued a scathing assessment of the state of the intelligence effort there.
In a report, Maj Gen Michael Flynn said that US intelligence in Afghanistan was still “unable to answer fundamental questions about the environment in which US and allied forces operate and the people they are trying to protect and persuade”.
The study, published by the think tank Center for a New American Security, cites one officer’s remarks that the US was “clueless” due to its lack of useful intelligence about the country.
However the report’s findings were rejected by Mike Hurley, a former member of the US 9/11 commission and a former CIA chief in Afghanistan.
He told the BBC: “Nowhere in the report does the group… suggest that there is not a significant role for intelligence to play in finding and fixing and finishing off enemy leaders in Afghanistan. That’s precisely their job, that’s what they’re trying to do.”
The attack at Forward Operating Base Chapman was the worst against US intelligence officials since the US embassy in Beirut was bombed in 1983.
SNIP
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:18:47am |
re: #20 MandyManners
A bit about the Center for New American Security: Co-founder Michele Michele is Undersecretary of Defense and one of her advisors is Rosa Brooks, a former counself for George Soros’ Open Society Institute.
As an example IBD writes: Rosa Brooks has echoed the assertions of Rev. Jeremiah Wright and others that we had it coming on 9/11 and that al-Qaida was an exaggerated threat exploited to invade Iraq. In a September 2006 column titled “Our Torturer-In-Chief,” (referencing President George W. Bush) she wrote: “Today the chickens are coming home to roost.” Sound familiar?
IBD further asserts that in 2007, Brooks dismissed Osama bin Laden’s group as “little more than an obscure group of extremist thugs, well-financed and intermittently lethal, but relatively limited in their global and regional political pull.”
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:20:56am |
re: #21 MandyManners
relatively limited in their global and regional political pull.”
Cept for that whole Taliban taking over Afghanastan thingy!!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:22:37am |
re: #21 MandyManners
re: #22 sattv4u2
relatively limited in their global and regional political pull.”
Cept for that whole Taliban taking over Afghanastan thingy!!
Not to mention the political unrest it has influence over in Indonesia, Pakistan, The African continent, etc etc !!
Ahh ,, the relatively limited “pull”!!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:37:02am |
re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
S’up, y’all?
Still trying to get a particular image out of my skull!
But otherwise, unscathed!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:38:20am |
Sattv? Didja think about me last night?
I was cuddly.
*snicker*
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:39:55am |
re: #22 sattv4u2
I know I’ve read about Brooks here but I cannot find the link.
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sandbox Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:41:05am |
Sen. Chuck Schumer of NY is compalining about the cost of the upcoming KSM trials in NY. That the Feds should pay and so on.
Has anyone asked Sen Schumer or Gillibrand if they agree with the overall decision of Pres Obama to move the jihadi terrorist trials from the military commissions or courts to civilian courts.? What is their position on same?
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:43:11am |
re: #29 sandbox
Sen. Chuck Schumer of NY is compalining about the cost of the upcoming KSM trials in NY. That the Feds should pay and so on.
Has anyone asked Sen Schumer or Gillibrand if they agree with the overall decision of Pres Obama to move the jihadi terrorist trials from the military commissions or courts to civilian courts.? What is their position on same?
Good question.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:45:24am |
re: #29 sandbox
Sen. Chuck Schumer of NY is compalining about the cost of the upcoming KSM trials in NY. That the Feds should pay and so on.
Has anyone asked Sen Schumer or Gillibrand if they agree with the overall decision of Pres Obama to move the jihadi terrorist trials from the military commissions or courts to civilian courts.? What is their position on same?
Typical political cover, imho
Don’t come out when the decision is made to move the trials from the military to civilian court, wait to see which way the populace wind blows, then don’t denounce the decision itself, but hide behind “my constituents shouldn’t have to pay for this,, it should be shared by all”
FEH and DOUBLE FEH
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:48:30am |
re: #21 MandyManners
from her wiki entry:
Rosa Brooks is a law professor at the Georgetown University Law Center, where she also serves as Director of Georgetown Law School’s Human Rights Center. In April 2009, Brooks was appointed senior advisor to the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Michele Flournoy.
Brooks’ recent scholarly work has focused on terrorism and rule of law issues, international law, human rights, law of war, and failed states. Along with Jane Stromseth and David Wippman, Brooks coauthored Can Might Make Rights? Building the Rule of Law After Military Interventions[1] (2006), a book which helped shape the United States Army’s praxis of rule of law. Brooks is also the author of numerous scholarly articles published in law reviews.[2][3][4]
In 1991 Brooks earned a Bachelor of Arts from Harvard University, where she studied history and literature;[5] while an undergraduate at Harvard, Brooks served as president of the Phillips Brooks House Association. At Oxford University she was awarded a Master of Studies degree in social anthropology in 1993[5], and was a Marshall Scholar. In 1996 she completed her studies at Yale Law School, which conferred upon her the title of Juris Doctor.[5][6]
Beck’s hitlist will include her in….3….2….1….now
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:48:46am |
re: #28 MandyManners
Her mother is Barbara Ehrenreich, a buddy of BHO’s science czar, Holdren.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:50:07am |
re: #32 wozzablog
Did she or did she not write that bit about AQ?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:50:18am |
re: #32 wozzablog
Beck’s hitlist will include her in…3…2…1…now
Possible…. hope she doesn’t have anything to hide.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:56:02am |
re: #34 MandyManners
Did she or did she not write that bit about AQ?
Doesn’t matter as long as we can blame Beck!!
//
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:56:36am |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Possible… hope she doesn’t have anything to hide.
Morning Walter
TWO WORDS
ADVIL
ALEVE!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:57:18am |
re: #38 sattv4u2
Morning Walter
TWO WORDS
ADVIL
ALEVE!
Yes… thanks for reminding me, I’m sitting here browsing and I haven’t even taken my daily meds…
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sandbox Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:58:43am |
re: #31 sattv4u2
You would think someone in the NY press corps would ask the NY Senators that question. In the upcoming Coakley v. Brown Senate race in Mass., I hope Brown raises the issue. Let Martha Coakley try defending moving the terrorist trials.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:25am |
re: #34 MandyManners
Clipped quote, surpise surprise.
In 2001, administration stalwarts suggested that Osama bin Laden rivaled Hitler in the danger he posed to U.S. security and insisted that Al Qaeda’s power was so great that nothing short of a “global war on terror” was required.
At that time, most experts say, this description of Al Qaeda simply wasn’t true. It was little more than an obscure group of extremist thugs, well financed and intermittently lethal but relatively limited in their global and regional political pull. On 9/11, they got lucky — but despite the unexpected success of their attack on the U.S., they did not pose an imminent mortal threat to the nation.
Al-Qaeda as a group were “relatively limited” in their political pull, outside of Afghanistan - they were not pulling the strings on a national level behind the curtains anywhere else.
a “mortal threat to the nation” - is a threat so great as the nation state will collapse, not an abillity to strike intermittently - although fatally to civillians.
“Intermittently lethal” to the US - well, thats true, before the Afghanistan war attacks by Al-Qaeda were intermittent against US targets.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:02:09am |
re: #38 sattv4u2
Thanks for the reminder… really. Off I go to the store…
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:02:30am |
re: #41 wozzablog
A threat is potential danger and AQ most certainly was a potential danger to America back then.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:03:58am |
Two more quakes have hit the Solomon Islands, after-shocks to the big one that produced that tsunami.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:04:04am |
re: #41 wozzablog
You sound so happy at finding that quote… here’s the one I like… “On 9/11, they got lucky” Bottom line, that’s enough for me… I’m glad we went after their ass… aren’t you?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:04:25am |
re: #41 wozzablog
Why do you think, of all places, Al Q hit The World Trade Towers, while also having plans to hit the Sears Tower and the Golden Gate Bridge as well as multiple flights from Europe to the USA at the same time
(((I’ll give you a hint,,,,, ECONOMICS!))
Disrupt a countries economics, disrupt the country
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:04:27am |
re: #43 MandyManners
Not to the exstence of the Nation state - which is her argument - the key arteries of the Nation State would have remained functioning after another Al-Qaeda attack.
To suggest otherwise is to attribute a fragillity to the american psyche that isn’t there.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:04:41am |
Out of here… be back this afternoon… play nice.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:06:56am |
Morning Early Lizards!
If the Early Bird gets the worm, what does the Early Lizard get?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:07:35am |
re: #47 wozzablog
attribute a fragillity to the american psyche that isn’t there.
Wow ,,,, just , wow ,,
It took over two years for the airline industry to get back to pre-9/11 # of fliers
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:08:29am |
When the Congressional Budget Office figured that limits on medical malpractice could reduce the federal budget deficit by $54 billion over the next decade, plenty of folks weren’t satisfied with the analysis.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:08:55am |
re: #49 ggt
Morning Early Lizards!
If the Early Bird gets the worm, what does the Early Lizard get?
Fruitcup!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:10:10am |
Morning, Lizards. Happy New Year to all y’all. Will probably be out more than in, but I wanted to stop in and say hi before the flames started heating up. And on that note, the troll barbecue is brushed up and oiled down… Any takers?
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:10:46am |
“This is like someone just put a bunch of plutonium in the water supply,” Mr. Glantz said in a telephone interview last week. He was referring to scenes in which an environmental scientist played by Sigourney Weaver drags lovingly on a cigarette as she works to save the moon Pandora sometime in the 22nd century.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:11:01am |
re: #45 Walter L. Newton
Confronting them in afghanistan yes - Brooks doesn’t seem in the full article, here - to object to that either. And, what do the security services always say? - “they have to be lucky once, we have to be lucky all the time” - or are all people in the National Security infrastructure deficient in their vocab?
Her main issue is with Iraq and the manner in which the Bush administration went after Al-Qaeda, not that it was wrong to go after them at all. To infer that there is a mind set of “9/11 happened lets now do nothing about al-qaeda at all” is really quite disengenuous.
re: #46 sattv4u2
Thats terrorism. The price of freedom - is sometimes the price.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:13:39am |
re: #50 sattv4u2
But they did come back - so did stocks, bonds & gilts.A little something of the “bend but not break” mentallity, which serves most proficiently.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:14:46am |
Anyhews, as always it’s been, well, it’s been and now gone.
Gotta take mother to the hospital for results and then pull a bar shift at teh sports club.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:16:42am |
re: #55 wozzablog
Thats terrorism. The price of freedom - is sometimes the price.
No ,, you suggested that is a threat so great as the nation state will collapse,
I stated that was their goal, to percipitate the economic collapse of an entire industry, which impacted other entire industries (hotels. motels, restaurants, and all the industries that support THOSE ventures) which would have the hoped for domino effect
For over two years, they did succeed in impacting those. Thats why GWB was correct in telling the nation to fight back by NOT altering our habits, but to be more vigil
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:18:40am |
We’re in charge now, you sniveling little…
House and Senate Democrats intend to bypass the traditional joint conference committee when they negotiate a final compromise on health care legislation, officials said yesterday, a move that will exclude Republican lawmakers and limit their ability to force votes that might delay action.
The GOP’s hands aren’t clean, but if the Dems do this health care had better work, because they own it - lock, stock, and barrel.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:20:50am |
re: #58 sattv4u2
Nothing wrong with that response at all - it’s the standard playbook of any country under threat of terrorism. UK & Spain for years before 9/11 had extsneive anti-terror campaigns based on public awareness.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:21:00am |
re: #59 SteveC
We’re in charge now, you sniveling little…
The GOP’s hands aren’t clean, but if the Dems do this health care had better work, because they own it - lock, stock, and barrel.
So much for reaching across the aisle
((but I’m sure we’ll be told it’s the Repubs fault for being the “party of ‘no’ all along)
“Can we come into the room?”
NO!
“Can we make an amendment?”
NO!
“Can we have time to read the bill before the vote?”
NO!
ahhh ,, NOW I undertand why it’s the party of NO!!!
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:21:10am |
Rosa Brooks on Ron Paul.
But I think he is tapping into something that, thank God, is still there in America, which is a lot of distaste for the kind of cookie-cutter stuff of the major parties. A lot of desire to have a candidate who just says whatever the heck he thinks. You know, and Ron Paul does that.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:23:15am |
re: #53 thedopefishlives
Morning, Lizards. Happy New Year to all y’all. Will probably be out more than in, but I wanted to stop in and say hi before the flames started heating up. And on that note, the troll barbecue is brushed up and oiled down… Any takers?
Mmmm, some thinly sliced breakfast buttocks would be nice.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:26:58am |
I have a feeling that playing the cowbell during the halftime show of the Fiesta Bowl may be the highlight of this girl’s collegiate career. A point which she realized at the exact moment of this video
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:28:40am |
I’m off for a while.
Have a great morning all!
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:33:19am |
re: #66 RogueOne
Wow, did she look enthused or what?/
I can’t even turn on a radio well, and I think I could have more enthusiasm!
* get to hang out with the band
* get into games free
* travel the country
* Occasionally get to be on TV
* It’s the Fiesta Bowl, Damn it!
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:36:10am |
Taser International being sued for another death:
[Link: www.lvrj.com…]
Taser International was named in a lawsuit filed Wednesday in federal court by the family of Dr. Ryan Rich, who died two years ago after a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper used the device to keep the combative, incoherent man from walking into traffic on Interstate 15 in Las Vegas.The lawsuit, filed by Las Vegas attorney John Snow and two California attorneys on behalf of the family, alleges Taser International misstates the dangers posed by the weapon and “tricked” Nevada Highway Patrol trooper Loren Lazoff into thinking the device was safe. It was the first time Lazoff used his Taser in four years with Nevada Highway Patrol.
Lazoff deployed the Taser five times, he testified at the inquest held in April 2008, saying Rich was in “fight mode” and appeared to be impaired. A driver who assisted Lazoff on the freeway that day testified Rich appeared “dazed.” The driver also thought the doctor was impaired.
The driver was “dazed” because he was having a seizure before the tasing.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:38:01am |
re: #68 SteveC
I can’t even turn on a radio well, and I think I could have more enthusiasm!
* get to hang out with the band
* get into games free
* travel the country
* Occasionally get to be on TV
* It’s the Fiesta Bowl, Damn it!
You forgot “Get a cool uniform!”
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:38:09am |
re: #69 RogueOne
Isn’t this somewhat akin to suing gun manufacturers for making guns that kill people? I don’t understand what they think this is going to accomplish.
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SasyMomaCat Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:43:21am |
Good morning, all! It’s a bright, sunny 14 degrees here in SE TN … how is everyone?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:44:06am |
re: #72 SasyMomaCat
Good morning, all! It’s a bright, sunny 14 degrees here in SE TN … how is everyone?
Cold. It was -10 degrees here in the wild north country when I went to work. I’ll trade you.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:44:16am |
nternal Revenue Service agents already try to catch tax cheats and moonshiners. Under the proposed health care legislation, they would get another assignment: checking to see whether Americans have health insurance.
The House and Senate bills require most Americans to have health insurance and to prove it on their annual federal tax return. Those who don’t would pay a penalty to the IRS.
The only person who should have to worry if the tax man comes is the tax man’s wife!
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SasyMomaCat Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:45:29am |
re: #73 thedopefishlives
ah, thanks anyway :) But, you’re welcome to come visit! I’m happy to share!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:50:42am |
re: #75 SasyMomaCat
I was just telling the Mrs. Fish yesterday how many people must think I’m certifiably insane for leaving the relative warmth of my home state for this, probably the coldest state in the continental US.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:51:08am |
re: #73 thedopefishlives
Cold. It was -10 degrees here in the wild north country when I went to work. I’ll trade you.
Taser markets itself as a “safe” alternative and claims their equipment cannot cause death. The only problem with that is there are dozens of deaths attributed to its use. Notice the use of the word “tricked”…
Taser International misstates the dangers posed by the weapon and “tricked” Nevada Highway Patrol trooper Loren Lazoff into thinking the device was safe.
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I Am Kreniigh! Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:52:28am |
Ah! Registered at last! I’ve been reading here since “Why I left the Right” and waiting to get in since then…
I don’t see a FAQ anywhere — am I missing it? I do have a few questions, like what the slashes mean at the bottoms of posts, and where I can find this ‘stalker blog’ that people mention from time to time.
Mostly, though, I’m just going to sit back for the most part and learn by reading.
cheers
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:52:37am |
re: #78 RogueOne
Doh. that was in reference to your #71 dopefish.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:53:06am |
re: #78 RogueOne
If that were really true, I could see how it would be misleading. I don’t know if that makes them liable, though there’s certainly a lawsuit to be had on some grounds. I’d think, though, that it’s fairly common sense that hitting people with heart and/or nervous system conditions with a Taser would be, ah, the medical term is “contraindicated”.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:53:43am |
re: #79 Kreniigh
Ah! Registered at last! I’ve been reading here since “Why I left the Right” and waiting to get in since then…
I don’t see a FAQ anywhere — am I missing it? I do have a few questions, like what the slashes mean at the bottoms of posts, and where I can find this ‘stalker blog’ that people mention from time to time.
Mostly, though, I’m just going to sit back for the most part and learn by reading.
cheers
1) The slash is a “sarcasm tag”. If you see that, it means we’re being snarky and sarcastic. Learn it, love it, use it.
2) You don’t want to know about the stalker blog. Just trust us on that one.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:54:28am |
re: #81 thedopefishlives
If that were really true, I could see how it would be misleading. I don’t know if that makes them liable, though there’s certainly a lawsuit to be had on some grounds. I’d think, though, that it’s fairly common sense that hitting people with heart and/or nervous system conditions with a Taser would be, ah, the medical term is “contraindicated”.
Yeah. I think there are way too many deaths for it to all be a big coincidence. It’s absolutely safer than shooting someone with a pistol but that doesn’t make it “safe”.
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I Am Kreniigh! Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:57:03am |
re: #82 thedopefishlives
Thanks. Anything else I absolutely need to know?
Never say “Frau Blucher”? Don’t stare at Weisshaupt’s ankle?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:59:01am |
re: #84 Kreniigh
Thanks. Anything else I absolutely need to know?
Never say “Frau Blucher”? Don’t stare at Weisshaupt’s ankle?
Don’t insult the host, and in general, don’t be stupid. Feel free to chime in on any discussion, but it’s always good to have references for any assertions you make.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:08:23am |
I’m on a tasing roll.
Now that this case has been settled, i.e. she was found not guilty, she’s suing.
[Link: news.cincinnati.com…]
Thomas was in the passenger seat of a car involved in a hit-skip when the car was pulled over in Mount Auburn. As the driver, Demetri Washington, was being questioned by police out of the car, the camera in a police cruiser showed Thomas getting out of the car and being repeatedly told to return. She was on her knees with her hands in the air when Police Officer Anthony Plummer shot her in the back with the Taser that delivered a shock.
For more background on the officer in question and one more example of how hard it is to fire a govt employee:
[Link: news.cincinnati.com…]
“At least six people reviewed this video and all of us agreed this should not have occurred,” Streicher said. “Because of that and a concern about his past history, I have ordered his police powers be suspended.
“He will not be out on the street,” Streicher said.
Plummer joined the force in 2001 and his personnel file shows a suspension for use of force, two reprimands and an incident that led to his being fired.
Plummer was fired in August of 2006 for violating procedure during an arrest in which he used a Taser. An arbitrator reinstated Plummer in September of 2007.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:12:16am |
re: #86 RogueOne
Can’t really blame her. There are some bad cops out there that get on a power trip. That’s what the procedures and rules are there for. I only wish the rules were able to penetrate the dense fog of union regulations.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:14:21am |
re: #87 thedopefishlives
and it’s hard to blame the police dept for this asshat too. They fired him once for the same behavior.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:15:58am |
re: #71 thedopefishlives
Isn’t this somewhat akin to suing gun manufacturers for making guns that kill people? I don’t understand what they think this is going to accomplish.
It is all about the deep pockets.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:21:27am |
re: #88 RogueOne
and it’s hard to blame the police dept for this asshat too. They fired him once for the same behavior.
I can understand the multiple layers of bureaucracy to help prevent people going on power trips and firing officers and staff willy-nilly, but I should think guys that have been terminated for a verifiable case of improper use of force should have to meet a higher standard in order to be readmitted. Having an arbitrator just “decide” to bring him back on board seems too, well, arbitrary.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:26:27am |
Plummer was fired in August of 2006 for violating procedure during an arrest in which he used a Taser. An arbitrator reinstated Plummer in September of 2007.
whisper/union/whisper
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:31:55am |
re: #91 rwdflynavy
Plummer was fired in August of 2006 for violating procedure during an arrest in which he used a Taser. An arbitrator reinstated Plummer in September of 2007.
whisper/union/whisper
The 2nd link on that has a nice quote from the local FOP head.
Cincinnati Fraternal Order of Police President Kathy Harrell said it’s too early to know what happened.
…….
“There does seem like there has been to a rush to judgment,” she said.
because the video of the lady on her knees with her hands in the air as the cop tased her isn’t good enough to draw any conclusions./
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simoom Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:39:37am |
Here’s RedState’s Erick Erickson on Colbert last night:
Colbert quotes a few of his nutty tweets and tries to get him to repeat them on camera, but oddly, at least one of them he backs away from.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:42:37am |
What a brilliant scheme. I’m thinking I need to add this to my repertoire:
The Hong Kong truck driver who persuaded a 19-year-old model he was a Taoist Mao Shan master, with the power to grant her career success in return for sex, has been found guilty of nine counts of “unlawful sexual intercourse under false pretences”.
Between April and December 2007, Au Yeung Kwok-fu, 55, indulged in nine powerful rites with the young woman in the form of intercourse and oral sex. She got in the family way, despite Au Yeung’s insistence he “had the supernatural power to keep me from getting pregnant”, as his victim put it.
[Link: www.theregister.co.uk…]
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:45:14am |
re: #94 RogueOne
What a brilliant scheme. I’m thinking I need to add this to my repertoire:
[Link: www.theregister.co.uk…]
A thorough ass-kicking might help that creep.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:46:43am |
re: #95 MandyManners
A thorough ass-kicking might help that creep.
Shh, Mandy, you’re spoiling his Zen. /
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:47:23am |
re: #95 MandyManners
A thorough ass-kicking might help that creep.
How about a common sense transplant for her? Morning.
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Stuart Leviton Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:47:23am |
Mazel Tov, Charles. The NYTimes today linked to your discussion with Conn Carroll. Public comments - some glowing; some lacking in civility (and reason) - are on the same page.
It takes great inner strength to do what Charles is doing (and Conn Carroll for that matter).
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Locker Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:47:42am |
re: #94 RogueOne
What a brilliant scheme. I’m thinking I need to add this to my repertoire:
[Link: www.theregister.co.uk…]
Ahaha what an idiot! Hey I’m Bob Barker and I can give you fame, fortune and a BRAND NEW CAR if you only sit in my lap 9 or 10 times. Guys NEVER lie to get laid. Never ever!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:48:45am |
re: #94 RogueOne
Honestly, though, I have to wonder if a girl that’s dumb enough to fall for that line is worth going to the effort to invent it in the first place.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:50:11am |
re: #95 MandyManners
I know but can you really blame him? If a woman is dumb enough to buy a line like that I have a hard time feeling sorry for her. Even the judge was pretty harsh:
… District Court judge Stanley Chan Kwong-chi, while describing the complainant as “stupid, ignorant and simple-minded in having sex with a man 20 years her senior on the blind faith it would bring her fame and wealth”, said she was an “honest witness”.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:52:14am |
re: #99 Locker
Ahaha what an idiot! Hey I’m Bob Barker and I can give you fame, fortune and a BRAND NEW CAR if you only sit in my lap 9 or 10 times. Guys NEVER lie to get laid. Never ever!
HaHaHa! I think I’ll add that line too!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:52:29am |
Also, just because the guy promised her something and it hasn’t come true yet doesn’t mean it never will. Give it time.
//
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:57:28am |
re: #96 thedopefishlives
Shh, Mandy, you’re spoiling his Zen. /
He needs a big stick applied to his zen.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:57:31am |
re: #29 sandbox
Sen. Chuck Schumer of NY is compalining about the cost of the upcoming KSM trials in NY. That the Feds should pay and so on.
Has anyone asked Sen Schumer or Gillibrand if they agree with the overall decision of Pres Obama to move the jihadi terrorist trials from the military commissions or courts to civilian courts.? What is their position on same?
Well, not exactly complaining…
LOWER MANHATTAN— Lower Manhattan residents are divided on the upcoming 9/11 terror trials, but there is one thing they can all agree on — the federal government should foot the bill.“It’s common sense that the federal government pay for the security costs because these trials will place a significant burden on the NYPD and the city to keep Lower Manhattan safe and secure,” Sen. Charles Schumer said at a press conference on Monday.
Read more: [Link: dnainfo.com…]
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:58:03am |
re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar
How about a common sense transplant for her? Morning.
She might be very, very naive. Way naive. Mind-boggling naive.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:58:24am |
The Obama/Biden pic that was going around this weekend made the FARK front page as a caption contest. I thought the best was:
“Have them make the Lieberman thing look like an accident”
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:59:40am |
re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar
Also, just because the guy promised her something and it hasn’t come true yet doesn’t mean it never will. Give it time.
//
You are so going to hell. Express train.
////
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:59:47am |
re: #101 RogueOne
I know but can you really blame him? If a woman is dumb enough to buy a line like that I have a hard time feeling sorry for her. Even the judge was pretty harsh:
Twenty years her senior? More like 36.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:00:51am |
I’m trying to print an envelope but no matter what, I’m unable.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:01:15am |
re: #106 MandyManners
She might be very, very naive. Way naive. Mind-boggling naive.
In Florida, your county used to be imprinted on the bottom of your car tag. I worked with a hot chick who asked one time “Where is ‘Lease’ County.” No shit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:02:01am |
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:03:05am |
re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar
In Florida, your county used to be imprinted on the bottom of your car tag. I worked with a hot chick who asked one time “Where is ‘Lease’ County.” No shit.
The stupid, it burns!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:03:15am |
re: #104 MandyManners
He needs a big stick applied to his zen.
Oh, I agree. I’m not denying that he’s a Sleazeball, First Class.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:04:03am |
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:04:43am |
re: #105 darthstar
Well, the Administration had the option to use the tribunals, but chose this option instead. Only days ago, the NYPD and Ray Kelly said that it would cost $75 million. Now, they’re saying $200 million. The City doesn’t have the money to cover those costs, so reimbursement from the feds is critical.
The tribunals wouldn’t have cost anything additional - since the tribunals could have been held at Gitmo at existing facilities, but the Administration swore that they’d give ‘em federal court trials all while saying that if the trial resulted in a not guilty plea, they’d still find a way to hold KSM and his fellow terrorists indefinitely. How reassuring and what a mockery of the legal system for them to make such statements in the first place.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:07:47am |
Hey Lizards, I’m back.
Anyone else wake-up?
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:08:05am |
re: #117 lawhawk
… but the Administration swore that they’d give ‘em federal court trials all while saying that if the trial resulted in a not guilty plea, they’d still find a way to hold KSM and his fellow terrorists indefinitely.
I see a Dateline NBC sometime in the future. :(
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:09:14am |
re: #117 lawhawk
Schumer warned the security cost of the trials would be in the “hundreds of millions,” but he declined to give an exact figure.
He declined of doesn’t know? I’m sure he will throw the leftover cash into the state kitty.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:09:43am |
I think this should fall under extenuating circumstances. I know I’d stab someone if they tried to put on Kenny Rodgers in my home.
AN Alloa mum who killed her partner in a row over music has been jailed for more than six years.
Andrea Neil stabbed Robert Hamilton after they argued about whether to play Kenny Rogers or Bob Dylan at their Alloa home last May.
[Link: www.wee-county-news.co.uk…]
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:10:34am |
re: #117 lawhawk
This is a ‘nontroversy’ and New York City isn’t going to be bankrupted by the trial. Of course there will be federal funds for security. Really, the current security would be fine for the trial if it wasn’t for the media circus that will ultimately take place and inspire the crazies to come out and compete for attention.
Most “security” costs will be for crowd control when groups of teabaggers show up to “protest” trying and convicting these terrorists (because we’ve got a different president…they didn’t protest Moussaoui’s trial, or Richard Reid’s).
And as far as making a ‘mockery’ of the legal system - indefinite detention without charges for the last eight years did plenty of that already. These guys wouldn’t be coming to trial if there was a chance they’d get off.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:10:44am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
He declined of doesn’t know?
He declined because he doesn’t know? PIMF.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:10:57am |
re: #99 Locker
Ahaha what an idiot! Hey I’m Bob Barker and I can give you fame, fortune and a BRAND NEW CAR if you only sit in my lap 9 or 10 times. Guys NEVER lie to get laid. Never ever!
I like the judge.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:11:05am |
re: #121 RogueOne
I think this should fall under extenuating circumstances. I know I’d stab someone if they tried to put on Kenny Rodgers in my home.
[Link: www.wee-county-news.co.uk…]
Know when to walk away
and know when to run…!
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:12:07am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
Schumer warned the security cost of the trials would be in the “hundreds of millions,” but he declined to give an exact figure.
He declined of doesn’t know? I’m sure he will throw the leftover cash into the state kitty.
From the story:
“Any funds not used would be returned.”
Though I suspect you were just being snarky.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:16:21am |
re: #126 darthstar
From the story:
“Any funds not used would be returned.”Though I suspect you were just being snarky.
Kinda Like Heatlh Insurance for Everyone. We have to figure in lunch, cab fares and trips to Argentina - and the accountan’ts fees for hiding said expenses. When it’s all over, we’ll tell you if we collected enough of YOUR money to pay for it.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:16:28am |
re: #122 darthstar
This is a ‘nontroversy’ and New York City isn’t going to be bankrupted by the trial.
“nontroversy” is a bit dismissive isn’t it? $200 million isn’t exactly a pittance.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:17:44am |
Someone, pleez help me …
The detainees and their trials can’t stay in GITMO because … . ?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:18:04am |
re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar
In Florida, your county used to be imprinted on the bottom of your car tag. I worked with a hot chick who asked one time “Where is ‘Lease’ County.” No shit.
She was blonde, right?
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:18:55am |
re: #129 ggt
Someone, pleez help me …
The detainees and their trials can’t stay in GITMO because … ?
Because they need the opportunity for a fair trial which we are sure will end with a guilty verdict, and if it doesn’t we have a plan to house them indefinitely anyway…
| 132 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:19:27am |
re: #127 ggt
Trips to Argentina? They’re holding the trial in South Carolina now?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:19:29am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:19:31am |
re: #131 rwdflynavy
Because they need the opportunity for a fair trial which we are sure will end with a guilty verdict, and if it doesn’t we have a plan to house them indefinitely anyway…
I’m still not getting it…
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:19:41am |
re: #129 ggt
Someone, pleez help me …
The detainees and their trials can’t stay in GITMO because … ?
because trying military detainees within a military commission would be a travesty of justice….or something. KSM is just a misunderstood civilian who should have been granted his U.S. constitutional rights as soon as he was picked up leaving his cave in Afghanistan.///
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:20:06am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:20:41am |
re: #132 darthstar
Trips to Argentina? They’re holding the trial in South Carolina now?
Argentina, Vegas, wherever one can meet an nice young lady or gentleman with which to spend the evening — at the taxpayers expense —so your spouse doesn’t find out.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:20:43am |
re: #122 darthstar
And as far as making a ‘mockery’ of the legal system - indefinite detention without charges for the last eight years did plenty of that already. These guys wouldn’t be coming to trial if there was a chance they’d get off.
Self contradictory statement.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:21:30am |
re: #135 RogueOne
because trying military detainees within a military commission would be a travesty of justice…or something. KSM is just a misunderstood civilian who should have been granted his U.S. constitutional rights as soon as he was picked up leaving his cave in Afghanistan.///
I am soooooo confused.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:21:35am |
re: #128 RogueOne
“nontroversy” is a bit dismissive isn’t it? $200 million isn’t exactly a pittance.
New York could make that back in parking tickets given to the media trucks that park in front of the courthouse…hell, start towing them and this could be profitable.
/
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:22:36am |
re: #137 ggt
Argentina, Vegas, wherever one can meet an nice young lady or gentleman with which to spend the evening — at the taxpayers expense —so your spouse doesn’t find out.
KSM is cheating on his wife, too? Oh, this will be an ugly trial indeed.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:22:52am |
re: #140 darthstar
New York could make that back in parking tickets given to the media trucks that park in front of the courthouse…hell, start towing them and this could be profitable.
/
Just think if UN folks had to pay their tickets. No more national debt!!
//
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:23:08am |
re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar
It makes perfect sense for Schumer not to give a precise figure. He wouldn’t want to lowball things and then have to fight for the extra money. By keeping it open ended, he can make sure that he gets the money covered.
It is also possible that the NYPD could be including costs that would otherwise be included in normal security practices as part of the trial costs, padding their figures in the hopes of reimbursement. That’s happened on other governmental items, but may not be the case here.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:23:22am |
re: #141 darthstar
KSM is cheating on his wife, too? Oh, this will be an ugly trial indeed.
I think that was with a goat. Does that count?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:23:24am |
re: #140 darthstar
New York could make that back in parking tickets given to the media trucks that park in front of the courthouse…hell, start towing them and this could be profitable.
/
Or make the UN pay their tickets. Or get the UN out of NYC, build condos where the UN is and get the property taxes.
/not really
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:23:40am |
re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or make the UN pay their tickets. Or get the UN out of NYC, build condos where the UN is and get the property taxes.
/not really
beat ya to it!
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:23:56am |
re: #139 ggt
This is a trial of choice. They could have tried them under a military commission but chose to do it in NYC. Personally, I don’t thing the pro’s outweigh the con’s.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:24:04am |
re: #122 darthstar
This is a ‘nontroversy’ and New York City isn’t going to be bankrupted by the trial. Of course there will be federal funds for security. Really, the current security would be fine for the trial if it wasn’t for the media circus that will ultimately take place and inspire the crazies to come out and compete for attention.
Most “security” costs will be for crowd control when groups of teabaggers show up to “protest” trying and convicting these terrorists (because we’ve got a different president…they didn’t protest Moussaoui’s trial, or Richard Reid’s).
You might end up being absolutely correct about that, but I’m curious how you seem to know this before anything has happened yet.
And as far as making a ‘mockery’ of the legal system - indefinite detention without charges for the last eight years did plenty of that already. These guys wouldn’t be coming to trial if there was a chance they’d get off.
Why do you say there is “no chance” they’ll get off? Isn’t that the purpose of a trial to begin with, to determine guilt or not? If it’s known they won’t “get off”, what’s the purpose of the trial?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:24:38am |
re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bleach. Yes.
Funniest blonde moment of my life, when a co-worker saw a picture of my family on my desk, when I was working as a systems engineer at General Freaking Motors, and asked me, “Are you Amish?”
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:24:48am |
re: #144 rwdflynavy
I think that was with a goat. Does that count?
Depends if it was male or female. The latter is OK when away taking care of business.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:25:54am |
Off to an all-day meeting. Enjoy the day, lizards.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:26:10am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:26:16am |
re: #140 darthstar
New York could make that back in parking tickets given to the media trucks that park in front of the courthouse…hell, start towing them and this could be profitable.
/
Wait, I think I see a glimmer of light …
Bear with me Lizards …
If the trials were held in Gitmo, the MSM would have less opportunity for coverage than if the trials were held in country so . .
Less ad revenue…
Less political coverage . .
Less Spin …
Less opportunity for the various politicial entities to comment …
Yes, I see some illogic.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:26:37am |
Good morning, Lizards
It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood. I’ve just set out the garbage. Air is very cool. Wore a scarf and hat for that chore.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:26:40am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:26:47am |
re: #141 darthstar
KSM is cheating on his wife, too? Oh, this will be an ugly trial indeed.
I told you I was confused.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:27:12am |
re: #122 darthstar
NYC is already bankrupt - they are running a deficit and so is NYS. There is no money to cover ordinary expenses, and the additional expenses of the trial aren’t going to help.
My full critique of the Administration’s choice to give federal trials to KSM and the 9/11 terrorists here.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:30:06am |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
I suppose I should have said, “If they felt they didn’t have the evidence for a conviction”. I stand corrected.
As far as the protests go, we’ve saw people showing up with guns at Presidential town halls last summer. If you don’t think people like Glenn Beck will be using this trial as a rallying cry to get crazies to show up in New York claiming that the trial is just a way to rip the illegal immigrant welfare fetuses out of our assault rifles, then you haven’t been paying attention for the last year. Everything is an opportunity for attention.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:30:19am |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:30:56am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:31:30am |
re: #160 darthstar
I suppose I should have said, “If they felt they didn’t have the evidence for a conviction”. I stand corrected.
As far as the protests go, we’ve saw people showing up with guns at Presidential town halls last summer. If you don’t think people like Glenn Beck will be using this trial as a rallying cry to get crazies to show up in New York claiming that the trial is just a way to rip the illegal immigrant welfare fetuses out of our assault rifles, then you haven’t been paying attention for the last year. Everything is an opportunity for attention.
Regardless of the Whaco contingentent, I think this move will have political implications for the Democrats. A lot of non-whacks from both sides of the aisle don’t seem to understand this move.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:32:18am |
re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar
Amish aren’t known to use computers, me think.
[Link: www.electricamish.com…]
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:32:23am |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
There’s crowd control costs, but those aren’t out of the ordinary given that the area around Foley Square is well policed. The problem is the additional security and intel costs to the NYPD to guard against potential terror threats - the need for additional Atlas and Hercules team operations and checkpoints and security perimeter around the Metro Detention Facility where the terrorists would be housed and the courthouse complex. Those are direct costs that aren’t normally covered by the NYPD. Overtime factors significantly into the costs as well (and that’s with the largest law enforcement organization in the US to boot).
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:33:03am |
re: #160 darthstar
I suppose I should have said, “If they felt they didn’t have the evidence for a conviction”. I stand corrected.
I suppose you could have said it that way. If we are so concerned about our constitutional principles that we’re giving these guys a trial, I’m thinking we ought to also be concerned enough not to convict them before the trail.
As far as the protests go, we’ve saw people showing up with guns at Presidential town halls last summer. If you don’t think people like Glenn Beck will be using this trial as a rallying cry to get crazies to show up in New York claiming that the trial is just a way to rip the illegal immigrant welfare fetuses out of our assault rifles, then you haven’t been paying attention for the last year. Everything is an opportunity for attention.
Oh, I think I’ve been paying attention, and as I said before, you may end up being absolutely correct. I was just curious how it is you seem to know for certain what’s going to happen before it actually, you know, happens.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:34:43am |
Diagnosed with Viral Syndrome on saturday. Spent a few hours in Emergency area of our local hospital. My first experience with dry-heaving (not pleasant). Also, first experience with a virus. If given a choice, say NO to virus.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:35:34am |
re: #168 Semper Fi
Diagnosed with Viral Syndrome on saturday. Spent a few hours in Emergency area of our local hospital. My first experience with dry-heaving (not pleasant). Also, first experience with a virus. If given a choice, say NO to virus.
ohh, so sorry.
Dry Heaves are painful after a while.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:35:35am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
Oh, I don’t know “for certain” but I do see our current ‘reality TV’ based society and I don’t hold a lot of hope for more moderate behavior. Acting like ignorant trash for the cameras seems to be the norm anymore.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:35:49am |
re: #165 lawhawk
There’s crowd control costs, but those aren’t out of the ordinary given that the area around Foley Square is well policed. The problem is the additional security and intel costs to the NYPD to guard against potential terror threats - the need for additional Atlas and Hercules team operations and checkpoints and security perimeter around the Metro Detention Facility where the terrorists would be housed and the courthouse complex. Those are direct costs that aren’t normally covered by the NYPD. Overtime factors significantly into the costs as well (and that’s with the largest law enforcement organization in the US to boot).
You made a point in an earlier post that I’ve always wondered about - there is a cost of X to do something, like say, run a police department.
When the police department estimates how much it will cost to do something, does that estimate include their regular costs as well as their extraordinary costs, or is it just the extraordinary costs?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:36:09am |
re: #168 Semper Fi
You can break a rib dry-heaving. That sux, dude.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:37:15am |
re: #170 darthstar
Oh, I don’t know “for certain” but I do see our current ‘reality TV’ based society and I don’t hold a lot of hope for more moderate behavior. Acting like ignorant trash for the cameras seems to be the norm anymore.
Agreed but I am sure we will see the “Islam will dominate the world” signs.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:37:23am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
I was just curious how it is you seem to know for certain what’s going to happen before it actually, you know, happens.
One more thing…tonight’s winning lotto numbers will be 1,2,6,21,37 and the bonus number will be 8
I expect a 10% cut if you hit it big.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:37:30am |
re: #170 darthstar
Oh, I don’t know “for certain” but I do see our current ‘reality TV’ based society and I don’t hold a lot of hope for more moderate behavior. Acting like ignorant trash for the cameras seems to be the norm anymore.
Sadly, most aren’t acting.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:37:43am |
re: #168 Semper Fi
Diagnosed with Viral Syndrome on saturday. Spent a few hours in Emergency area of our local hospital. My first experience with dry-heaving (not pleasant). Also, first experience with a virus. If given a choice, say NO to virus.
As I understand it, that is a way of saying you have something, but they don’t know what.
Did you get your H1N1 shots?
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:38:05am |
re: #169 ggt
ohh, so sorry.
Dry Heaves are painful after a while.
Thank you. Yes, I know the precise location of both lungs now.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:38:59am |
re: #174 darthstar
One more thing…tonight’s winning lotto numbers will be 1,2,6,21,37 and the bonus number will be 8
I expect a 10% cut if you hit it big.
heheh!
fat chance!
buy yer own ticket, bud.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:39:25am |
re: #175 rwdflynavy
Sadly, most aren’t acting.
I get the idea that a lot of people act during these “reality” events like they do on the internet. They think they are anonymous and go ahead a post their picture on some board.
I heard a news blurb about human resource departments googling prospective employees and checking Facebook etc.
A lot of people have NO IDEA what reality is.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:40:43am |
re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar
You can break a rib dry-heaving. That sux, dude.
Oh! you’ve had them too. Sorry.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:40:58am |
re: #176 Naso Tang
As I understand it, that is a way of saying you have something, but they don’t know what.
Did you get your H1N1 shots?
“viral syndrome” means you have a viral infection, not a bacterial infection.
And you just have to ride it out, treat the symptoms.
Semper Fi - surely you’ve had a cold? If so, then you suffered “viral syndrome”. This one happens to be a stomach bug rather than a cold, from, what you’re describing.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:41:22am |
re: #177 Semper Fi
Thank you. Yes, I know the precise location of both lungs now.
And every inch of your diaphram, I bet.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:42:23am |
re: #179 ggt
HR Dept: So, Bob, we looked at your FB page and saw a video of you dancing drunk in a dress.
Bob: Yea. It was Halloween.
HR: The datestamp was in May.
Bob: Yea, weird, huh?”
/
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:43:21am |
re: #176 Naso Tang
As I understand it, that is a way of saying you have something, but they don’t know what.
Did you get your H1N1 shots?
Yes, there must be thousands of viruses, I’m told.
No, haven’t had H1N1 shot yet.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:44:38am |
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:45:28am |
Ahmadinejad’s website hacked? Via the Times:
Although the Web site appears to be down now, Mr. Heap wrote that people trying to access it last night were redirected to this page, which contains the following message:
Dear God, In 2009 you took my favorite singer - Michael Jackson, my favorite actress - Farrah Fawcett, my favorite actor - Patrick Swayze, my favorite voice - Neda. Please, please, don’t forget my favorite politician - Ahmadinejad and my favorite dictator - Khamenei in the year 2010. Thank you.
Someone apparently hacked Ahmadinejad’s website and sent a redirect to that page. It’s now down possibly because of traffic overload, or because the Iranians are trying to figure out the hack.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:45:53am |
re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar
HR Dept: So, Bob, we looked at your FB page and saw a video of you dancing drunk in a dress.
Bob: Yea. It was Halloween.
HR: The datestamp was in May.
Bob: Yea, weird, huh?”
/
HR Department: Well, as we sell pipe fittings the plumbing industry and the sales person who is hired for this territory would be representing the company to Union Representatives and Teabaggers from Nebraska, you can see why we don’t think you would and our company would be a good fit.
Bob: huh?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:46:22am |
re: #184 Semper Fi
Yes, there must be thousands of viruses, I’m told.
No, haven’t had H1N1 shot yet.
Don’t get the shot!! The gubment is gonna implant a chip in you!!!
/Alex Jones, off.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:49:56am |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don’t get the shot!! The gubment is gonna implant a chip in you!!!
/Alex Jones, off.
Besides, the virus will evolve and the shot won’t be effect..wait, I don’t believe in evolution.
/ (insert whacko name here)
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cliffster Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:51:31am |
Morning all! Oooh, bad topic. Stomach viruses are bad stuff. Sorry, Semper Fi
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:52:42am |
re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don’t get the shot!! The gubment is gonna implant a chip in you!!!
/Alex Jones, off.
I remember hearing that a couple decades ago and only in the recent past few years have thought, ya know, one day…….
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:54:15am |
re: #191 Semper Fi
I remember hearing that a couple decades ago and only in the recent past few years have thought, ya know, one day…
I don’t know, if the gubernet wanted a chip in you, I’d think it’d already be there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:54:27am |
re: #190 cliffster
Morning all! Oooh, bad topic. Stomach viruses are bad stuff. Sorry, Semper Fi
Well, if we’re all getting chips, make mine Salt and Vinegar.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:55:01am |
re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oops, meant for 191.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:56:20am |
I could have sworn someone here posted this link but I’ve scrolled through the last 2 threads and can’t find it.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Group Gives Up Death Penalty WorkLast fall, the American Law Institute, which created the intellectual framework for the modern capital justice system almost 50 years ago, pronounced its project a failure and walked away from it.
There were other important death penalty developments last year: the number of death sentences continued to fall, Ohio switched to a single chemical for lethal injections and New Mexico repealed its death penalty entirely. But not one of them was as significant as the institute’s move, which represents a tectonic shift in legal theory.
……
Instead, the institute voted in October to disavow the structure it had created “in light of the current intractable institutional and structural obstacles to ensuring a minimally adequate system for administering capital punishment.”That last sentence contains some pretty dense lawyer talk, but it can be untangled. What the institute was saying is that the capital justice system in the United States is irretrievably broken.
I hate to say it but I think they might be right. I’d love to be able to say I’m very pro-death penalty but I don’t think we can trust our system to use it even-handedly or even to be postitive the person charged is actually guilty.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:56:42am |
Back to KSM and the cheating on his goat with a spouse …
Can a man technically cheat on a concubine or herd animal?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:57:07am |
re: #192 ggt
I don’t know, if the gubernet wanted a chip in you, I’d think it’d already be there.
I have seen signs at checkout counters with cross hairs targeting the webbing between the thumb and pointer finger. Not kidding.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:58:59am |
re: #195 RogueOne
I could have sworn someone here posted this link but I’ve scrolled through the last 2 threads and can’t find it.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
I hate to say it but I think they might be right. I’d love to be able to say I’m very pro-death penalty but I don’t think we can trust our system to use it even-handedly or even to be postitive the person charged is actually guilty.
The thing is that in this country it costs more to kill a person than to incarcerate then for life in many cases. One reason . . because lawyers for life-rights groups get involved and repeal, repeal, repeal.
Remember we only hear about the cases that are the exception—the ones where they got it wrong. We are paying to keep a lot of monsters in cages.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:59:34am |
re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have seen signs at checkout counters with cross hairs targeting the webbing between the thumb and pointer finger. Not kidding.
Geez!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:00:09am |
re: #198 ggt
I think it is something like 10X more to put someone to death.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:02:53am |
re: #198 ggt
Think about it from the opposite direction, without those groups how many people would we be holding on death row that are actually innocent and how many of those would have been given a needle if not for their work?
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:03:35am |
re: #186 lawhawk
Ahmadinejad’s website hacked? Via the Times:
Someone apparently hacked Ahmadinejad’s website and sent a redirect to that page. It’s now down possibly because of traffic overload, or because the Iranians are trying to figure out the hack.
Gotta love those young people and their computer skills. Iran will be free of the mullahs total control —it will just take time.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:03:39am |
Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar made the latest threat after the Intelligence Ministry said on Monday several foreigners engaged in a “psychological war” against the Islamic Republic were arrested on December 27 in the bloodiest unrest since the aftermath of a disputed June 12 presidential poll.
SNIP
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:05:05am |
re: #192 ggt
I don’t know, if the gubernet wanted a chip in you, I’d think it’d already be there.
A long time ago folks thought it would be implanted in the forehead. I thought, stories like this aren’t sufficiently creative.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:05:27am |
re: #201 RogueOne
So far the Innocence Project alone has exonerated 249 people.
[Link: www.innocenceproject.org…]
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:06:14am |
The World Food Program is moving staff and supplies to northern and central Somalia from six areas in the south that are largely controlled by the al-Shabab Islamist group, said Emilia Casella, a WFP spokeswoman. The U.S. State Department says al-Shabab has links to al-Qaeda.
SNIP
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:06:26am |
re: #201 RogueOne
Think about it from the opposite direction, without those groups how many people would we be holding on death row that are actually innocent and how many of those would have been given a needle if not for their work?
I understand where you are coming from, but there is no reason for Charles Manson to be alive—I think we can all think of individuals who have no right to our resources.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:06:59am |
As long as the world shall last, there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever.
— Clarence Darrow
Of course Darrow actually lost the Scopes Monkey Trial in 1926, and it was not until 1968 in the Epperson v Arkansas case that the SCOTUS finally declared legislative bans on teaching evolution in public schools to be unconstitutional.
And guess what…now that yet another 42 years have passed America is still embroiled in the same old fight between the forces of creationism and the forces of science.
But then again 42 years, or 84 years, are but mere drops in the bucket of human evolution.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:07:34am |
re: #190 cliffster
Morning all! Oooh, bad topic. Stomach viruses are bad stuff. Sorry, Semper Fi
Trouble is, nothing really conclusive about how to fight it. Almost with the same breath they say OTC stuff is used to lessen symptoms.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:08:01am |
re: #202 ggt
Someone should redirect his website to Lemon Party. (don’t look up “lemon party” if you know what’s good for you.)
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:09:08am |
Once completed, the steel barrier would cut off blockaded Gaza’s last lifeline and — by slicing through hundreds of smuggling tunnels under the nine-mile (14-kilometer) Gaza-Egypt border — could increase pressure on the territory’s Hamas rulers to moderate.
SNIP
Will Jimmah Carter screech, “APARTEID” at the Egyptians?
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:10:06am |
re: #210 Mad Al-Jaffee
Someone should redirect his website to Lemon Party. (don’t look up “lemon party” if you know what’s good for you.)
I hate you//
You see that pic a lot on 4chan, that one and there’s one where some old hairy guy who looks like Santa.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:11:47am |
re: #212 RogueOne
Buck Henry had one of the most subversive lines on tv once on 30 Rock. He played Liz Lemon’s father, Dick. He said “You can’t have a Lemon party without old Dick!”
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:12:06am |
The executive director of the board, Barbara Johnston, said in the complaint that Dr Michael Kamrava had acted “beyond reasonable judgement” by helping Nadya Suleman conceive octuplets.
SNIP
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:13:55am |
re: #214 MandyManners
The executive director of the board, Barbara Johnston, said in the complaint that Dr Michael Kamrava had acted “beyond reasonable judgement” by helping Nadya Suleman conceive octuplets.
SNIP
But he still has a medical license…
How could she afford fertility treatment of any kind, much less one in Beverly Hills?
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:14:23am |
re: #213 Mad Al-Jaffee
I think 30 Rock is the funniest show on TV. Baldwin is an ass but funny as hell.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:14:26am |
re: #214 MandyManners
The executive director of the board, Barbara Johnston, said in the complaint that Dr Michael Kamrava had acted “beyond reasonable judgement” by helping Nadya Suleman conceive octuplets.
SNIP
The doctor will probably get MORE business because of this.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:15:38am |
re: #215 ggt
But he still has a medical license…
How could she afford fertility treatment of any kind, much less one in Beverly Hills?
I hope some investigative journalists does so real work on this doctor and finds out what other bad judgements he has made.
Can you tell this topic PISSES me off?
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:16:00am |
re: #198 ggt
The thing is that in this country it costs more to kill a person than to incarcerate then for life in many cases. One reason . . because lawyers for life-rights groups get involved and repeal, repeal, repeal.
Remember we only hear about the cases that are the exception—the ones where they got it wrong. We are paying to keep a lot of monsters in cages.
I just can’t believe Death Penalty is any kind of significant deterrent. The number of case where the penalty actually stopped a crime, I don’t think, can be measured. Because, then, the crime never happens. Am I thinking right?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:16:06am |
re: #216 RogueOne
I think 30 Rock is the funniest show on TV. Baldwin is an ass but funny as hell.
It’s one of the few comedies I regularly watch. The last season was kind of uneven. Parks and Recreation and It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia are my two favorites. I still watch The Office, but it’s really gone downhill.
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soap_man Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:16:38am |
re: #216 RogueOne
I think 30 Rock is the funniest show on TV. Baldwin is an ass but funny as hell.
Not to butt in, but I think 30 Rock is slacking a little bit. It was fantastic the first two seasons, but it seems to be dropping off.
But it is still one of the funniest shows, IMHO.
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soap_man Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:17:35am |
re: #220 Mad Al-Jaffee
It’s one of the few comedies I regularly watch. The last season was kind of uneven. Parks and Recreation and It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia are my two favorites. I still watch The Office, but it’s really gone downhill.
You should check out Modern Family, if you haven’t already. My new favorite show.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:17:55am |
re: #219 Semper Fi
You are thinking right. The death penalty isn’t a deterrent. The second amendment is.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:17:59am |
re: #219 Semper Fi
I just can’t believe Death Penalty is any kind of significant deterrent. The number of case where the penalty actually stopped a crime, I don’t think, can be measured. Because, then, the crime never happens. Am I thinking right?
It is a deterrant in that the criminal doesn’t commit any more crime. There are recidividists that WILL always continue to commit violent crime. Society doesn’t need in any way to waste resources on them.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:18:06am |
re: #211 MandyManners
SNIPWill Jimmah Carter screech, “APARTEID” at the Egyptians?
We all know by now that Jimmah is a craven, unprincipled swine who will do or say anything for a buck.
In short…he will simply blame the Jews.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:18:52am |
I’m getting too pissed to post anymore.
Have a great day Lizards!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:19:57am |
re: #222 soap_man
You should check out Modern Family, if you haven’t already. My new favorite show.
I haven’t seen it, but I’ll check it out one of these days. I’ve heard godo things about Community too.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:20:18am |
The Jordanian intelligence services had brought the bomber to eastern Afghanistan with the mission of finding Al-Qaeda number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, believing he was their double agent, jihadist websites and Western intelligence agents cited by US media said.
But instead he blew himself up at Forward Operating Base Chapman in Khost province near the Pakistani border, killing seven CIA agents and his Jordanian handler, a top intelligence officer and member of the royal family.
SNIP
Balawi was taken to the CIA base in Khost because he claimed to have urgent information about Zawahiri, the website said.
He was not searched as he went in because a CIA agent boasted: “He is our man, so there is no need,” the website claimed.
The bomber then pretended to detail plans for a mooted operation on a piece of paper and asked the intelligence agents to gather round to look before blowing himself up, the website said.
SNIP
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soap_man Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:22:24am |
re: #227 Mad Al-Jaffee
I haven’t seen it, but I’ll check it out one of these days. I’ve heard godo things about Community too.
With the taste in shows you listed above, I’m sure you will like both. Community can be a little hit and miss sometimes, but it is a new show just finding its legs, so to speak.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:23:06am |
re: #228 MandyManners
That article has a link to the killer’s blog. No “English” option, though.
SNIP
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:23:17am |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:24:51am |
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:25:07am |
re: #222 soap_man
You should check out Modern Family, if you haven’t already. My new favorite show.
That is a good one. I happened to catch a couple of episodes of Modern Family and The Middle a couple weeks ago and really enjoyed both.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:25:54am |
re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar
You are thinking right. The death penalty isn’t a deterrent. The second amendment is.
Ah! the second amendment. What a great country this is.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:26:05am |
This report should be taken as yet more institutional infighting between CIA and the DoD, along with actual problems in communicating intel and other information between federal Departments charged with national security and implementing that policy.
Maj. Gen. Michael Flynn wrote a blistering report of CIA failures to understand the local politics and an inability to provide timely information to the military.
Some of it points to understaffing issues with the CIA and other intel agencies. The CIA casualties from the suicide bombing that killed 7 agents isn’t going to help matters either.
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ellem Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:28:02am |
I swear I’m not trolling here… check my other posts… Did this site suddenly turn hard left? I’ve been away from the site since say… September.
It seems Charles is slamming the right fairly hard. I’m relatively neutral so I don’t particularly mind… but this site seems to have done a near 180 politically.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:29:30am |
re: #231 Mad Al-Jaffee
What a bad joke.
Israel did the whole world a favour and should countersue the Iraqis for the cost of the mission and should also assert a claim for indemnity against the UN and any other useless entities which made the mission necessary.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:29:47am |
re: #236 ellem
I swear I’m not trolling here… check my other posts… Did this site suddenly turn hard left? I’ve been away from the site since say… September.
It seems Charles is slamming the right fairly hard. I’m relatively neutral so I don’t particularly mind… but this site seems to have done a near 180 politically.
Some on the right, since Obama has become President are acting like the left did with GWB.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:30:59am |
Maalim’s case is hardly unique. Throughout recent history, Somalis have sought refuge in Yemen, a remote, impoverished country at the tip of the Arabian peninsula, less than 200 miles across a narrow sea. But despite Yemen’s own dire situation, it continues to be flooded with Somali refugees seeking the safety, stability and economic opportunities that have long since vanished from their own failed state in the Horn of Africa. In fact, the number of African refugees in Yemen is steadily rising. According to the U.N.’s refugee agency UNHCR, 72,753 African refugees — mostly from Somalia — reached Yemen this year alone, compared to 50,091 in 2008; hundreds more perished en route, or are presumed missing. A growing number of Ethiopians and Eritreans are fleeing their own civil turmoil and political oppression as well, adding to the steady flight from Somalia.
SNIP
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:31:54am |
re: #236 ellem
I agree with CCA - political discourse has taken a hard 180.
This blog is not hard left - some commenters are liberals, some are moderates and some are conservatives - and Charles, well, Charles is an enigmatic anti-idiotarian.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:32:33am |
re: #224 ggt
It is a deterrant in that the criminal doesn’t commit any more crime. There are recidividists that WILL always continue to commit violent crime. Society doesn’t need in any way to waste resources on them.
Well, by golly, I say put two locks on their door. How much does an extra lock cost, not much, I thinking.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:33:39am |
re: #211 MandyManners
That’s sheet pile, which isn’t any different than the fence that the Hamas terrorists sliced and diced well in advance of their invasion of Sinai in February 2008.
The Hamas thugs used acetylene torches to cut their way through those fences, and you can expect them to do the same again with the sheet pile that was driven into the soil to thwart smuggling tunnels. Don’t count on it unless they’re also pouring concrete and even then a determined terrorist would find a way to break through the barrier.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:35:05am |
re: #238 Cannadian Club Akbar
Some on the right, since Obama has become President are acting like the left did with GWB.
And, some on the Right are not acting like that but are worried about being tarred with that broad brush but are not easily intimidated and are soldiering on.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:35:26am |
re: #242 lawhawk
That’s sheet pile, which isn’t any different than the fence that the Hamas terrorists sliced and diced well in advance of their invasion of Sinai in February 2008.
The Hamas thugs used acetylene torches to cut their way through those fences, and you can expect them to do the same again with the sheet pile that was driven into the soil to thwart smuggling tunnels. Don’t count on it unless they’re also pouring concrete and even then a determined terrorist would find a way to break through the barrier.
To break through a concrete Hamas might need explosives. I doubt they have that.
//need I?
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:35:38am |
re: #236 ellem
I swear I’m not trolling here… check my other posts… Did this site suddenly turn hard left? I’ve been away from the site since say… September.
It seems Charles is slamming the right fairly hard. I’m relatively neutral so I don’t particularly mind… but this site seems to have done a near 180 politically.
114 comments in 5 1/2 years doesn’t exactly get you a pass around here. My suggestion is that you stop feigning ignorance and either get yourself up to speed and join the debate or fuck off.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:36:05am |
re: #243 MandyManners
And, some on the Right are not acting like that but are worried about being tarred with that broad brush but are not easily intimidated and are soldiering on.
Like the ones here.:)
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:37:06am |
re: #242 lawhawk
That’s sheet pile, which isn’t any different than the fence that the Hamas terrorists sliced and diced well in advance of their invasion of Sinai in February 2008.
The Hamas thugs used acetylene torches to cut their way through those fences, and you can expect them to do the same again with the sheet pile that was driven into the soil to thwart smuggling tunnels. Don’t count on it unless they’re also pouring concrete and even then a determined terrorist would find a way to break through the barrier.
I’m sure Hamas won’t let it hold them back from finding ways to further impoverish their people and kill Jews.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:39:35am |
re: #242 lawhawk
That’s sheet pile, which isn’t any different than the fence that the Hamas terrorists sliced and diced well in advance of their invasion of Sinai in February 2008.
The Hamas thugs used acetylene torches to cut their way through those fences, and you can expect them to do the same again with the sheet pile that was driven into the soil to thwart smuggling tunnels. Don’t count on it unless they’re also pouring concrete and even then a determined terrorist would find a way to break through the barrier.
Are you telling us that a security fence built by Egypt is nothing but a pile of sheet?
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:40:24am |
It was here, according to the Pakistani military, that children aged 12 to 18 were turned from innocent youngsters into cold-blooded killers, willing to blow themselves to bits as suicide bombers.
The discovery of the compound was first reported in Pakistani media last month. Yusuf says his unit took it over after a three day battle with militants.
Part of the compound consists of four rooms — each wall adorned with brightly colored paintings in clear contrast to the barren and harsh landscape surrounding it. The children were told that this was what awaited them in heaven.
Each of the images has a river flowing through it. Some have people playing in the water. Others have women lining the banks.
The military says that the children are told that these are rivers of milk and honey, that the women are the virgins that await them in heaven. That the children were told that they will live in the company of the holy prophet and be served feasts.
SNIP
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:42:20am |
Gotta head out and run a bar for the good of a small community of drunken sportsmen.
laters
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:43:08am |
re: #250 wozzablog
Gotta head out and run a bar for the good of a small community of drunken sportsmen.
laters
Bless you. Bless you.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:43:25am |
re: #224 ggt
It is a deterrant in that the criminal doesn’t commit any more crime. There are recidividists that WILL always continue to commit violent crime. Society doesn’t need in any way to waste resources on them.
In reality I’m a believer in the Death Penalty but in today’s America that seems a very expensive verdict. I’ll always believe in the DP.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:43:55am |
re: #249 MandyManners
SNIP
The Taliban says that this particular compound is not one of their’s. But they say that they are actively training children from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia and the Middle East to be suicide bombers.
As Pakistan tries to cope with an ever increasing wave of suicide bombing, a chilling statistic is coming to light.
“Almost 90 percent of suicide bombers, if you look at their profile, are 12 to 18 years old,” Hussein says.
The war on terror expert says there also needs to be a war on poverty and a commitment to providing education and opportunity so that children in the future won’t be turned into murderers, thinking that suicide and death are their only escape from a hopeless life.
***********
I agree with that assessment in this limited case.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:54:20am |
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MrSilverDragon Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:54:45am |
Good morning, folks.
Another glorious day in the trenches, fightin’ the good fight!
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Kragar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:00:54am |
I expect calls for Steele’s head to be ringing throughout the blogosphere today.
GOP Chief: Republicans ‘Screwed Up’ After Reagan
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele offers a simple explanation for why the GOP all too often lost touch with typical Americans since the Ronald Reagan era: ”We screwed up,” he claims in a new book offering a blueprint for the party’s resurgence.
That ”we” includes the last two Republican presidents and the most recent Republican candidate for president.
In ”Right Now: A 12-Step Program for Defeating the Obama Agenda,” released Monday by Regnery Publishing, Steele says the GOP should acknowledge where ”we most glaringly compromised our principles” in the past decade and hold its elected officials accountable.
”We must support Republican officials who assert these principles,” he writes. ”When elected Republicans vote against Republican principles, the voters must withhold their support — withhold it vigorously and consistently.”
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:06:06am |
re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I expect calls for Steele’s head to be ringing throughout the blogosphere today.
Looks like Steele’s standing up for the FisCons.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:07:33am |
re: #257 MandyManners
Looks like Steele’s standing up for the FisCons.
SocCons will be baying for blood.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:07:38am |
re: #249 MandyManners
“When we got to this compound it was shocking for us,” Lt. Col. Yusuf tells us, standing in the middle of what the Pakistani military says was a brainwashing center — for children.
It was here, according to the Pakistani military, that children aged 12 to 18 were turned from innocent youngsters into cold-blooded killers, willing to blow themselves to bits as suicide bombers.The discovery of the compound was first reported in Pakistani media last month. Yusuf says his unit took it over after a three day battle with militants.
Part of the compound consists of four rooms — each wall adorned with brightly colored paintings in clear contrast to the barren and harsh landscape surrounding it. The children were told that this was what awaited them in heaven.
Each of the images has a river flowing through it. Some have people playing in the water. Others have women lining the banks.
The military says that the children are told that these are rivers of milk and honey, that the women are the virgins that await them in heaven. That the children were told that they will live in the company of the holy prophet and be served feasts.
SNIP
Such is our sworn enemy - lovers of death and perverters of children.
BTW Israel is the land of milk and honey.
Deuteronomy 26:15
Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou didst swear to our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:07:41am |
Following on the thread’s epigraph…
Tolerance does not…do anything, embrace anyone, champion any issue. It wipes the notes off the score of life and replaces them with one long bar of rest. It does not attack error, it does not champion truth, it does not hate evil, it does not love good.
—Walter Farrell, The Looking Glass, 1951
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:09:06am |
re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
SocCons will be baying for blood.
Let them bay away unless they really like paying much higher taxes.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:09:14am |
re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It’s amazing that you can write a book about the Republican party, focusing on how they’ve screwed up, and not focus on the social conservatives. In fact, from this part, he seems to be endorsing social conservatism in a mush-mouthed way:
To regain the public confidence, Steele says the GOP should, among other things, expose the ”reign of error” inherent in liberal policies, contrast conservative and liberal principles, and highlight the damage caused by Obama’s policies while explaining conservative solutions.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:09:39am |
re: #259 Spare O’Lake
Gee. Another bit of Judaism stolen by Islam?!
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:10:06am |
re: #260 The Sanity Inspector
Following on the thread’s epigraph…
Tolerance does not…do anything, embrace anyone, champion any issue. It wipes the notes off the score of life and replaces them with one long bar of rest. It does not attack error, it does not champion truth, it does not hate evil, it does not love good.
—Walter Farrell, The Looking Glass, 1951
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
John Adams
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avanti Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:10:34am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:11:01am |
re: #249 MandyManners
Clear-cut child abuse.
Notice that the organizers weren’t using their own children.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:11:30am |
re: #262 Obdicut
It’s amazing that you can write a book about the Republican party, focusing on how they’ve screwed up, and not focus on the social conservatives. In fact, from this part, he seems to be endorsing social conservatism in a mush-mouthed way:
No one wants to go head to head versus the Family.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:11:31am |
re: #263 MandyManners
Gee. Another bit of Judaism stolen by Islam?!
Paradise on earth, not in the hereafter…
Reading the Koran is like reading the Old Testament on a very bad acid trip.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:12:19am |
A classic from The Onion, reposted today:
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:18:05am |
re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Steele always seems mildly surprised he hasn’t been fired yet.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:18:36am |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:19:22am |
re: #270 Obdicut
Steele always seems mildly surprised he hasn’t been fired yet.
/I guess having a job no one else will take is the ultimate in job security…
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:25:40am |
Still on the overnight thread?
Must have been a power outage at DIA. Charles’ and Stinky’s alarm clocks are flashing 12:00
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:29:27am |
re: #262 Obdicut
I’m sorry, I didn’t see a reference to “Social” conservative in that clip. Can you explain?
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:29:47am |
re: #270 Obdicut
Steele always seems mildly surprised he hasn’t been fired yet.
At first I thought the GOP job would be perfect. Lt. Governor, Head of the GOP until things got more balanced, then perhaps a run for Senator and after that, who knows? Now I’m wondering if the next step isn’t termination/forced retirement followed by a stint as a talking head.
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sandbox Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:31:20am |
re: #165 lawhawk
The public should know whether its Senators support the Obama/Holder decision to move the trials from the military commission/trials venue to civilian courts. How about Chuck Schumer instead of worrying about who will pay for the extra costs of the trial (the City or the Feds) say that he wants the decision reversed and the trials done by the military?
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:32:08am |
re: #236 ellem
The blog appears to be centered around rational thought and has kept on course. The screeching noise you hear is a large portion of the GOP and/or right-wing (especially the so-con part) veering off into the brush.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:34:27am |
re: #277 sandbox
The public should know whether its Senators support the Obama/Holder decision to move the trials from the military commission/trials venue to civilian courts. How about Chuck Schumer instead of worrying about who will pay for the extra costs of the trial (the City or the Feds) say that he wants the decision reversed and the trials done by the military?
Check’s not worried about who is going to pay because the answer is “You are.” After that, it’s all details.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:35:43am |
So many labels… GOP, Right-Wing, Conservative. Very confusing… I’ll have to get some velcro for them as appropropriate.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:41:05am |
re: #253 MandyManners
The Taliban says that this particular compound is not one of their’s. But they say that they are actively training children from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia and the Middle East to be suicide bombers.
As Pakistan tries to cope with an ever increasing wave of suicide bombing, a chilling statistic is coming to light.
“Almost 90 percent of suicide bombers, if you look at their profile, are 12 to 18 years old,” Hussein says.
The war on terror expert says there also needs to be a war on poverty and a commitment to providing education and opportunity so that children in the future won’t be turned into murderers, thinking that suicide and death are their only escape from a hopeless life.
***
I agree with that assessment in this limited case.
Wow.
The Palestinians have franchised their private school system.
Like ORT.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:41:29am |
[Link: strike120.ning.com…]
Didn’t anyone ever tell these people that one-day boycotts and strikes are meaningless? At least some of the comments on their site seem to be making the point.
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Ben Hur Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:41:38am |
re: #276 MikeySDCA
OT: Is it any surprise that CNN”s Anderson Cooper is the great-great-grandson of Judson Kilpatrick?
Isn’t he Gloria Vanderbilt’s son?
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Lidane Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:42:04am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:42:12am |
I will comment only that the people I know who deliberately fail to register do so because they are trying to get out of Oregon’s mandatory testing.
Parents arrested for not registering homeschooled kids:
[Link: www.cbs6albany.com…]
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:43:12am |
the single biggest thing that needs to happen on Planet Earth is for iran’s mullahs and their theocracy to fall. the positive domino effect that will ensue could change the world.
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gregb Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:44:21am |
Crappy day number 2.
Wife’s officemate opened up two more letters just today. They are all quarantined and waiting for hazmat.
[Link: www.mercurynews.com…]
2 UC Irvine profs. get letters with white powder
The Associated Press
Posted: 01/04/2010 07:50:16 PM PST
Updated: 01/04/2010 10:36:16 PM PST
IRVINE, Calif.—Two University of California, Irvine, campus buildings were evacuated Monday after two professors who work in the buildings received envelopes containing an unidentified white powder and the words “Black Death” written on them, school officials said.
University spokesman Tom Vasich said neither professor was harmed but investigators don’t know what the powder is.
Initial field tests of the substance were negative for biological hazards, said FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller.
The Orange County Fire Department’s hazardous materials team is analyzing the powder and should have results back early Tuesday, Vasich said. Several agencies are investigating the incident, including the FBI, he said.
One of the professors is a sociologist and the other teaches engineering, but Vasich would not identify them.
University officials sent an e-mail alert to students, faculty and employees, warning them to be cautious of opening suspicious mail.
Vasich said the building evacuations were precautionary.
When asked if the incident was being investigated as a terrorist act, university spokeswoman Cathy Lawhon told the Orange County Register, “Authorities haven’t ruled anything out.”
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:44:44am |
re: #276 MikeySDCA
OT: Is it any surprise that CNN”s Anderson Cooper is the great-great-grandson of Judson Kilpatrick?
Well, actually it is! Interesting bit of trivia.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:46:47am |
re: #283 Lidane
Wow: there are lots and lots of comments like this one:
If you want to stop the federal government from overstepping the 10th amendment you have to cut off their supply of heroin to the states (money). If there were no unconstitutional departments at the federal level, they do not need very much of our money.Therefore they would have nothing to bribe the states into surrendering state sovereignty to DC. Departments like the EPA, Education, Post Office, Medicare, Social Security, AMTRAK, Energy, Agriculture and others are all illegal according to the powers granted to the federal government by the constitution. Therefore we are not required to fund them.
1) Change your W4 to exempt
2)Pay quarterly taxes of only 10%
3) Send additional check of 1% for the deficit
4) Demand the tax laws be changed so ALL citizens, regardless of income level pay the same tax of 10% +1 (Equal protection clause) Zero deductions, zero exemptions.If we can get 3 million people to agree to this there will be no way they can put us all in jail. They have nowhere to put us. Besides, do they not tell us they can’t round up 12 million illegal aliens living in our country?
Once there are 3 million, would not millions more find the courage to stand with us? We ask our military to put themselves in harms way for us. They have bullets and bombs to deal with. Can we not stand up, here in cushy America, and be willing to go to jail rather than be slaves to the government and the elite? Did not our forefathers risk everything they had including their very lives over taxation?
So they know what they’re doing is illegal. Great.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:50:51am |
re: #263 MandyManners
Gee. Another bit of Judaism stolen by Islam?!
Judaism doesn’t promise “virgins” to the righteous. In the afterlife, you get your wife back. Or maybe not.
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acwgusa Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:52:26am |
re: #291 Alouette
Judaism doesn’t promise “virgins” to the righteous. In the afterlife, you get your wife back. Or maybe not.
Wouldn’t that be Hell for some people?
/Yes, this is sarcastic to the maximum amount.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:00:04am |
re: #292 acwgusa
Wouldn’t that be Hell for some people?
/Yes, this is sarcastic to the maximum amount.
The man? The wife? Both?
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LotharBot Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:40:10am |
“There will be war for as long as there are debates on the internet: until everyone agrees about everything important enough to fight over.
World peace could arise as the result of some extremely democratic/libertarian/scientific worldwide monoculture that agreed on everything but what they were willing to settle with words. I think that an unlikely end to the story, though. The easiest road to world peace is for someone to win. And that’s not a happy ending in my book. I’ll take war over that. It’s nasty, but nowhere near as bad as tyranny.”
- Catherine Darrow (my wife. Clarence is my first cousin 6 times removed.)
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