1 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:17:29pm

Lovely.

2 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:17:42pm

That scene makes me restless, in a good way.

And with that, goodnight.

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:20:05pm

I just tried the spy thing, then we get a new thread.

4 Bagua  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:21:31pm

Sunshine Superman


- Donovan
5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:23:27pm

And with the new thread, its time for me to get to bed. (Hey, that rhymes.)

Good night, all!

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:24:34pm

Alright, so someone can just hang out in LGF Spyland and watch?

7 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:25:46pm

re: #6 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alright, so someone can just hang out in LGF Spyland and watch?

What Spyland? The LGF Master Spy?

8 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:26:19pm

re: #7 Silvergirl

yes

9 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:26:28pm

Weather. Not climate.

10 The Left  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:27:00pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

And with the new thread, its time for me to get to bed. (Hey, that rhymes.)

Good night, all!

Night, DF! good luck at work tomorrow and your meeting.

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:27:06pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Where be ya?

12 Bagua  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:29:48pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Weather. Not climate.

LOL, good to have you back on the force Cato!

13 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:30:00pm

Repost. TOYOTA RECALL: Reports of Runaway Cars

Four Dead in Dallas Crash Where Problem Floor Mats Found in Trunk

Seems the problem has nothing to do with floor mats.

Scroll down, and click on the video - a "breakthrough case" in which a driver brought his vehicle to a dealership while it was mis-behaving. Also, check out the comments, for example by sjmbandit 12:45 AM and by sickandtired1951 12:20 AM and 12:02 AM.

14 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:30:58pm

re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where be ya?

Watching "Kill Bill Vol. 2" and reviewing my first day in Seattle.

15 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:34:41pm

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Watching "Kill Bill Vol. 2" and reviewing my first day in Seattle.

What's happening in your life? I've missed a lot, but I've gathered you were on a cross country drive and stopped off to visit some Lizards. You loved New Mexico, and now what? You live in Seattle, or you're hanging out there?

16 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:34:52pm

re: #13 abolitionist

Total recall?

17 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:35:49pm

re: #15 Silvergirl

I've got a job here for a while at least. Been on Bainbridge Island for more than a week. Today I finally visited Coffee Ground Zero.

18 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:36:03pm

re: #16 Cato the Elder

Close. Seems to affect model years 2005 and later.

19 Bagua  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:37:03pm

For the first time in my adult life,
I feel proud of my state Massachusetts.

20 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:40:04pm

re: #19 Bagua

For the first time in my adult life,
I feel proud of my state Massachusetts.



Still celebrating?

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:40:52pm

re: #20 Silvergirl

Heh.

22 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:41:41pm

I love Uma Thurman. Used to hang out at her dad's place when she was around five years old.

Seeing her nekkid in "Dangerous Liaisons" years later was a strange experience.

23 Bagua  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:41:42pm

re: #20 Silvergirl

You know it Silvergirl!

24 SteveC  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:43:18pm

From TIME MAGAZINE MAN OF THE YEAR to the unemployment line

Amidst the voter anger at Wall Street and Washington, D.C., ABC News has learned that the Senate Democratic leadership isn't sure there are enough votes to re-confirm Ben Bernanke for another term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:45:13pm

re: #24 SteveC

From TIME MAGAZINE MAN OF THE YEAR to the unemployment line

Tell him to stand behind me.

26 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:45:23pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

I've got a job here for a while at least. Been on Bainbridge Island for more than a week. Today I finally visited Coffee Ground Zero.

I've never explored Seattle. I spent a couple days in Tacoma. I have friends in Bellingham and Whidbey Island and I've never visited. Bad! My brother came back from Seattle with a bag of Space Needle pasta so I made up a dish with salmon that wasn't half bad.

Was Coffee Ground Zero all you hoped for?

27 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:46:28pm

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tell him to stand behind me.

Get in line.

Meanwhile, he can pull my finger.

28 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:47:39pm

re: #26 Silvergirl

I've never explored Seattle. I spent a couple days in Tacoma. I have friends in Bellingham and Whidbey Island and I've never visited. Bad! My brother came back from Seattle with a bag of Space Needle pasta so I made up a dish with salmon that wasn't half bad.

Was Coffee Ground Zero all you hoped for?

Hell, it was a beautiful day. Actual sunshine.

And you can get a coffee buzz just walking around the streets. That's how many java shops there are.

29 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:50:48pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Hell, it was a beautiful day. Actual sunshine.

And you can get a coffee buzz just walking around the streets. That's how many java shops there are.

The time I was in Tacoma was in February and a warm jacket was necessary but the sunshine was glorious!

30 freetoken  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:52:07pm

That wet desert ground ought to be rather lovely in a couple of months.

I always liked driving through the southwest... usually with some (Ce)celia cruz playing in the background:

31 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:57:45pm

Desert song...

32 freetoken  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:04:58am

BTW, it just hailed on me on the walk home. The joys of El Nino...

You can see how much rain we've had in the last week by going here:
[Link: water.weather.gov...]
and select "last 7 days" on the list in the lower left. That is just an estimate based out of SGX, but at that scale it is reasonable. Locally, intense downpours cause large values. The automated rain gauges here:
[Link: www.wrh.noaa.gov...]
present an interesting picture too (select "3 days", the longest over which they sum.) Some gauges are over 10" of precip over the last three days; note that the gauges are not always trustworthy, but in this case I can believe the high figures. Since they don't accumulate over 3 days, the week total is higher than that amount on the map!

I love the rain, just wish it wouldn't happen all at once.

33 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:09:57am

Where the hell is everyone?

34 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:11:53am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Where the hell is everyone?

Up to no good, in my case (and Jimmah's). Readin' writin' and youtube. The usual.

35 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:17:06am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Where the hell is everyone?

Reading up on Alice in Wonderland. It opens in March. The Cheshire Cat is voiced by Stephen Fry. SlashFilm Blogging the Reel World is where I get my movie news.

36 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:21:18am

re: #35 Silvergirl

Reading up on Alice in Wonderland. It opens in March. The Cheshire Cat is voiced by Stephen Fry. SlashFilm Blogging the Reel World is where I get my movie news.

Saw the preview when I went to watch "Avatar". Looks like fun.

37 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:21:42am

re: #32 freetoken

BTW, it just hailed on me on the walk home. The joys of El Nino...

". . .he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

Sorry you had to take a pelting along with the unjust.

38 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:28:37am
39 freetoken  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:29:44am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Where the hell is everyone?

Trying out the new Youtube HTML5 beta.

Not worth the switch, yet.

40 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:32:22am

re: #37 Silvergirl

". . .he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

Sorry you had to take a pelting along with the unjust.

The rain it raineth every day--
twelfth night.

41 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:40:25am

re: #40 iceweasel

Tir'd with all these, for restful death I cry,
As, to behold desert a beggar born,
And needy nothing trimm'd in jollity,
And purest faith unhappily forsworn,
And gilded honour shamefully misplac'd,
And maiden virtue rudely strumpeted,
And right perfection wrongfully disgrac'd,
And strength by limping sway disabled,
And art made tongue-tied by authority,
And folly, doctor-like, controlling skill,
And simple truth miscall'd simplicity,
And captive good attending captain ill.
Tir'd with all these, from these would I be gone,
Save that, to die, I leave my love alone.

Sonnet LXVI, the which proveth that the poet knows no law of "good style" that cannot be broken with impunity by him who knoweth what he doth, viz. run-on sentences and beginning ten lines with the self-same word.

EGO POETA AMERICANVS SVPRA GRAMMATICOS STO

42 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:46:12am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

Sonnet LXVI, the which proveth that the poet knows no law of "good style" that cannot be broken with impunity by him who knoweth what he doth, viz. run-on sentences and beginning ten lines with the self-same word.

EGO POETA AMERICANVS SVPRA GRAMMATICOS STO

I don't know what that means! teach me!

This site is great. Shakespeare's Sonnets, a mailing list where you get one a day.

Here is today's:

In the old age black was not counted fair,
Or if it were, it bore not beauty's name;
But now is black beauty's successive heir,
And beauty slander'd with a bastard shame:
For since each hand hath put on nature's power,
Fairing the foul with art's false borrow'd face,
Sweet beauty hath no name, no holy bower,
But is profaned, if not lives in disgrace.
Therefore my mistress' brows are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Slandering creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn, becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so

43 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:49:00am

re: #40 iceweasel

The rain it raineth every day--
twelfth night.

There are so many great lines from Twelfth Night to be used here and there as the occasions arise. We need to do it more often. Once I get past Malvolio's yellow stockings and actually concentrate on the words, the story's full o gems.

44 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:49:07am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Where the hell is everyone?

Been following Toyota issues. Check out both videos here. (First is same as in my #13).

Toyota Driver: ABC News Videos Helped Save My Life

Kevin Haggerty Says He Brought His Runaway Toyota Under Control By Using What He'd Learned On-Line and On-Air


Toyota Recalls 2.3M Vehicles to Correct Sticking Accelerator Pedals

The thing is, these affected vehicles don't use classic mechanical or cable linkages for the "accellerator" function. They use electronic sensors and signaling, and ...software.

I have to wonder what percentage of C programmers understand the subtleties of unsigned, signed, and circular number lines; two's complement versus sign-magnitude, etc.

45 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:50:57am

re: #43 Silvergirl

There are so many great lines from Twelfth Night to be used here and there as the occasions arise. We need to do it more often. Once I get past Malvolio's yellow stockings and actually concentrate on the words, the story's full o gems.

Twelfth Night is so great-- I still have never read it, but saw a production some friends were in. I loved it. I didn't realise just how many quotations come from it (which is almost always my experience when seeing or reading a shakespeare play for the first time-- "hey, so that's where that's from!").

46 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:52:04am

re: #42 iceweasel

Its a line I stole from Bert Brecht: "I, a [German] poet, stand above the grammarians."

It means I break my own rules when it suits me.

47 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:56:36am

re: #44 abolitionist

I have to wonder how drivers will like it when cars reach the point where you're obliged to do a software update and a hard reboot in the middle of your daily commute.

48 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:59:02am

re: #45 iceweasel

Twelfth Night is so great-- I still have never read it, but saw a production some friends were in. I loved it. I didn't realise just how many quotations come from it (which is almost always my experience when seeing or reading a shakespeare play for the first time-- "hey, so that's where that's from!").

Long ago and far away I got to play Maria in a scene at a workshop, so not a full production, but fun and intense.

49 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:06:32am

re: #46 Cato the Elder

Its a line I stole from Bert Brecht: "I, a [German] poet, stand above the grammarians."

It means I break my own rules when it suits me.

My wholly invented guess was that it meant "I am an American poet who stands above all others, including grammarians." Yay for inference to the best explanation!

50 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:07:17am

I have a sailboat to catch.

Good-night!

51 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:07:52am

re: #50 Silvergirl

I have a sailboat to catch.

Good-night!

Sail on silvergirl! Goodnight!

52 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:12:38am

re: #47 Cato the Elder

I have to wonder how drivers will like it when cars reach the point where you're obliged to do a software update and a hard reboot in the middle of your daily commute.

Ha! Another serious concern with the proliferation of electronic controls is the growing number of connections. I'd bet most bean counters have not a clue why some dissimilar metals in contact quickly corrode and others don't. And I'd bet most engineers do know --but who gets to decide in such matters?

Had a headlight fail in a 1970s era car. When I went to replace it, turned out to be minor corrosion problem at the connector. Imagine several dozens (hundreds?) of critical connections.

53 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:12:43am

"Cymbeline." Now there's a neglected Shakespeare play.

The line about the mole on Imogen's left breast is worth mounting the production.

54 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:15:59am

re: #53 Cato the Elder

"Cymbeline." Now there's a neglected Shakespeare play.

The line about the mole on Imogen's left breast is worth mounting the production.

Now I'll have to google that. I love Titus Andronicus. The Julie traynor (?) movie version with Anthony Hopkins is pretty amazing.

55 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:35:03am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Where the hell is everyone?

Um...me, myself and I...no....My friend invited my other friend and me...um...me and my friend.... to watch Yul Brenner in The King and Me....no, wait a minute, it was The King and I (the other one was Roger and Me - or was that Roger and I?)...shit. What was that rule again?... I haven't slept for two days; I'll figure it out.....

56 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:39:45am

re: #41 Cato the Elder

Sonnet LXVI, the which proveth that the poet knows no law of "good style" that cannot be broken with impunity by him who knoweth what he doth, viz. run-on sentences and beginning ten lines with the self-same word.

EGO POETA AMERICANVS SVPRA GRAMMATICOS STO


Scanning those lines, I'm reminded of certain songs by Dylan - early period. The same semi-hypnotic rhythmic repetitions and accumulation of ideas and images.... It's too early in the morning for me to cite the examples, but I expect to recall a few as the neurons warm up.

57 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:50:00am

Where the hell is everyone?

58 freetoken  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:52:15am

re: #57 ryannon

Where the hell is everyone?

Posting spin-offs....

59 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:55:53am

re: #57 ryannon

Where the hell is everyone?

Reading spin-offs...

60 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:03:30am

Damn, just said goodnight in the wrong thread. Nite all!

61 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:05:15am

"Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin."

62 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:05:53am

re: #60 iceweasel

Damn, just said goodnight in the wrong thread. Nite all!

Heh - same here! Nite :)

63 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:07:55am

Goodnight everyone...goodnight.... lights off soon....sleep night.....

64 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:10:12am

PIMF:

Sleep tight....

65 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:16:40am

Day shift should be arriving soon....

66 srb1976  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:19:04am

re: #65 ryannon

Day shift should be arriving soon...

Morning! Just waiting for my very slow coffee maker to be done.....

67 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:31:17am
68 SixDegrees  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:32:43am

re: #44 abolitionist


Toyota Recalls 2.3M Vehicles to Correct Sticking Accelerator Pedals

The thing is, these affected vehicles don't use classic mechanical or cable linkages for the "accellerator" function. They use electronic sensors and signaling, and ...software.

I have to wonder what percentage of C programmers understand the subtleties of unsigned, signed, and circular number lines; two's complement versus sign-magnitude, etc.

Given that all of the software peculiarities you mention are covered by sophomore year in any computer science curriculum, it's safe to say that the vast majority of C programmers know what they are and how to use them in programs. Most also learn to call them by their proper names, and use 'modular arithmetic' rather than 'circular number lines' when discussing a feature that is built into nearly every programming language, and is easily added if not.

Sounds like it's clearly a mechanical problem from the description in the article you linked. Replacing the obvious suspect parts cured it. I very much doubt Toyota would undertake a recall of 2.5 million vehicles to replace mechanical parts if there was a software problem that could be fixed much more cheaply.

I'd also hesitate to take the word of someone who, by his own description, was clearly panicking when the incident in question occurred. His contribution seems to have been to deliver a real-time example of the problem, but his observations were heavily influenced by adrenalin and probably aren't very reliable.

I'm putting this one in the drawer next to the 'Exploding Pyrex Bakeware' folder.

69 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:09:41am

re: #68 SixDegrees

Appreciate the reply. The thing about a 'circular number line' versus the others I mentioned is that 'overflow' is generally not a concern. I've no problem with the name, modular arithmetic.

BTW,

Toyota says the recall of the "sticking gas pedals" covers Haggerty's problem, but he says his gas pedal was never stuck.

70 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:10:12am

Piercing the desert of silence with an oasis.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:18:16am

Finally, a good nights sleep!! Mornin' Honcos!! Coffee is thick like Pea Soup!!

72 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:19:13am

Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:21:51am

re: #72 Boogberg

Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!

I feel ya. My aluminum can collection dropped like a stone.
/

74 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:21:55am

Pretty pic. I love the desert, and dessert. Morning People.

75 srb1976  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:22:26am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

Finally, a good nights sleep!! Mornin' Honcos!! Coffee is thick like Pea Soup!!

Not so much with the good nights sleep here, but the coffee is strong and now I'm off to work!

Later!

76 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:25:50am

re: #74 RogueOne

Pretty pic. I love the desert, and dessert. Morning People.

It's a dry heat.

Good Morning Lizards. Took my 6 year old to the circus last night. We left at the intermission as he was ready to go home. He had fun though. I really appreciated the PETA protesters outside...Not.

77 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:26:48am

re: #44 abolitionist


Toyota Recalls 2.3M Vehicles to Correct Sticking Accelerator Pedals

The thing is, these affected vehicles don't use classic mechanical or cable linkages for the "accellerator" function. They use electronic sensors and signaling, and ...software.

I have to wonder what percentage of C programmers understand the subtleties of unsigned, signed, and circular number lines; two's complement versus sign-magnitude, etc.

Sometimes the old-fashioned way is still the better way to go.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:27:36am

re: #76 rwdflynavy

I was in NYC a couple years ago and the circus was at MSG. Protesters everywhere. They soon learned they were just in the way. I love New Yorkers. Mornin'.

79 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:29:56am

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not only that, but the government (you know, taxpayers) owns a huge chunk of Citigroup. the taxpayers' stake is now worth over $1 Billion less now. What a dumbass!

80 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:31:41am

re: #76 rwdflynavy

It's a dry heat.

Right after OCS they sent me to Ft. Huachuca. Absolutely fell in love. Nothing but desert and mountains and not one tree over 6' tall.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:31:45am

re: #79 Boogberg

Not only that, but the government (you know, taxpayers) owns a huge chunk of Citigroup. the taxpayers' stake is now worth over $1 Billion less now. What a dumbass!

But, but...To big to fail, hope and change. Bernake.
/sorry for your loss (serious 'bout that part)

82 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:33:45am

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

I forgot to add Turbo Tax Geithner.

83 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:33:51am

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks. Man, I'm pissed off.

84 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:34:34am

re: #79 Boogberg

Not only that, but the government (you know, taxpayers) owns a huge chunk of Citigroup. the taxpayers' stake is now worth over $1 Billion less now. What a dumbass!

I've never had a problem getting money out of my bank....until this year. I'm busy enough that I need to bring in more people and I just picked up a really big job that I'm going to need to buy some machinery to finish. Normally I walk in and tell them how much I need and they cut a check a couple hours later, this time it's like pulling teeth.

85 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:36:07am

re: #80 RogueOne

Right after OCS they sent me to Ft. Huachuca. Absolutely fell in love. Nothing but desert and mountains and not one tree over 6' tall.

The dry heat thing really is true. I'm in Jax FL. No dry heat here....

86 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:36:41am

re: #76 rwdflynavy

It's a dry heat.

Good Morning Lizards. Took my 6 year old to the circus last night. We left at the intermission as he was ready to go home. He had fun though. I really appreciated the PETA protesters outside...Not.

PETA abuses women.

87 AK-47%  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:39:53am

re: #72 Boogberg

Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!

How much was the portfolio worth before the crash and before Obama even took office?

88 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:41:50am

re: #84 RogueOne

Business is picking up where I work too. We've been on reduced hours didn't for damn near a year. Finally going back to 40 hours next week (yay!).

89 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:45:11am

Nothing is ever new. The first tea party against Kennedy:

90 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:46:06am

re: #87 ralphieboy

Well fortunately I was all in cash before the crash. Started buying stocks on the way up but still, I'm not happy about giving any back on account of reckless remarks by the President.

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:53:35am

The end is near. First this. I expect locust soon after.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

92 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:57:30am

re: #91 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good thing I'm not the firstborn. Oh...wait.

/ D:

93 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:04:33am

Headed to work. BBL

94 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:14:58am

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Just so you know, People in Seattle don't tan. They rust.

95 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:21:04am

And as I also head out to w*rk (early day and Mondays suck)

US firm to remove Biblical references on guns

Talk about a misleading headline. The fricking engravings were on the fricking aftermarket sights, not the fricking weapon. But hey, why let a little fricking FACT get in the way of a sensational headline.

BTW, did I happen to mention that Mondays suck?

L8R

96 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:27:03am

re: #95 Bubblehead II

And as I also head out to w*rk (early day and Mondays suck)

BTW, did I happen to mention that Mondays suck?

L8R

Rainy days and Mondays...

TGIF

97 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:29:58am

re: #96 Spare O'Lake

Love Carpenters music. :)

98 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:37:24am

It's a sad day for me.
Paul Quarrington died yesterday.
He was a prolific author, musician, screen-writer and poet.
Paul loved sports and was crazy about fishing.
He was only 56.

99 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:40:15am

Anyone have one of these new Mag-lite flashlights with the LED bulb? They're kinda expensive but holy crap! They're like friggin' laser beams.

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:43:08am

re: #99 Boogberg

Anyone have one of these new Mag-lite flashlights with the LED bulb? They're kinda expensive but holy crap! They're like friggin' laser beams.

I have one. But, it's attached to a shark's frickin' head!

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:47:17am

re: #97 Boogberg

Love Carpenters music. :)

The only version I could find on youtube...

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:47:35am

The nice thing about MagLites is that you can also give a nice beating to someone.

103 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:49:24am

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lmao! :D

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:53:07am

Fact: No team that has ever been beaten by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the regular season have gone on to win the Super Bowl. Sorry, New Orleans.

105 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:55:25am
106 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:56:44am

re: #98 Spare O'Lake

It's a sad day for me.
Paul Quarrington died yesterday.
He was a prolific author, musician, screen-writer and poet.
Paul loved sports and was crazy about fishing.
He was only 56.

Sorry to hear that. I notice on his Wiki page he did some work with Dan Hill. I have a Dan Hill album around here somewhere...

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:57:35am

re: #105 MandyManners

Happy Friday!

I almost got a Snoopy/Joe Cool tattoo once. I still might.

108 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:59:24am
109 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:00:29am

And, don't forget, son, there is someone up above.

110 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:01:15am

Forget your lust for rich man's gold.

111 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:03:23am

re: #105 MandyManners

Love it!

Enjoying the peace but I am going to have to get the kids up in a minute. We are going into the city to the Missouri History Museum today.

112 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:03:26am

Follow your heart!

113 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:05:16am

re: #111 generalsparky

Love it!

Enjoying the peace but I am going to have to get the kids up in a minute. We are going into the city to the Missouri History Museum today.

Oh, the hour before I get him up is precious.

I love him to pieces but, he is an energy-intensive project.

I cannot imagine my life without him.

114 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:14:20am

re: #113 MandyManners

Oh, the hour before I get him up is precious.

I love him to pieces but, he is an energy-intensive project.

I cannot imagine my life without him.

Ditto only times 3 lol

I love being able to play on the computer and enjoy my coffee before the craziness begins. I love the craziness but I do need some down time to recharge the batteries. My kid hauler was in the shop all week so we have a bit of cabin fever going on around here. This field trip will do all some good!

115 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:16:28am

re: #114 generalsparky

Ditto only times 3 lol

I love being able to play on the computer and enjoy my coffee before the craziness begins. I love the craziness but I do need some down time to recharge the batteries. My kid hauler was in the shop all week so we have a bit of cabin fever going on around here. This field trip will do all some good!

I cannot imagine multiplying by three.

Bless yiou!

116 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:20:22am

re: #111 generalsparky

That brings back memories. :)

I lived in Hillsboro, MO back in the late 80's. I was a plumber's helper with Dependable Plumbing and Sewer in the City.

117 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:21:28am

re: #115 MandyManners

I cannot imagine multiplying by three.

Bless yiou!

Thank you!

I am very blessed :-)

I am very much a girly girl. I like to sew, cook, pink is my favorite color, wear skirts, etc, so there are many days I wonder what God was thinking giving me 3 boys lol

118 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:23:17am

bbl

119 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:24:35am

Morning everyone. This story only surprises me because I thought they were already gone:

Air America Shuts Down, Citing 'Difficult Economic Environment'

This has been a good week for schadenfreude.

120 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:25:15am

re: #116 Boogberg

Cool! I grew up in Missouri. My husband is active duty Air Force and we live on the other side of the river but St. Louis is close and has a lot to offer.

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:26:56am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

Capitalism at its best.

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:28:20am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

I thought they were gone too!!

On the other hand, Abe Vigoda?

123 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:31:25am

some things never change ... pat buchanan figures out why Scott Brown won in Massachusetts and (you won't believe this) it's all about politicians not listening to white folks!

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

I suppose it doesn't matter that martha coakley was an awful candidate. In the world of "buchanan the nazi," it's ALWAYS about race.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:32:05am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not the first failure of BDS... but a funny one.

Although I don't like to see anybody lose a job. Engineers and stuff go down with it too. But, for the talent?

Well, cue Marcos.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:32:33am

By the way, cake donuts are neither cake nor donuts.

126 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:32:54am

Ugh. What a creep:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Do you believe that homosexuals are 12 times more likely to molest children?" attorney David Boies asked.

"Yeah, based on the different literature that I have read," Tam replied.

Earlier in the trial, a Cambridge University professor testified that there is no evidence to suggest that gays are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals. Boies pressed Tam to cite books, articles or authors he had read to substantiate the views, but Tam said he could not remember specifics.


Definitely not my favorite fellow San Franciscan.

127 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:33:38am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morning everyone. This story only surprises me because I thought they were already gone:

Air America Shuts Down, Citing 'Difficult Economic Environment'

This has been a good week for schadenfreude.

I take no pleasure in this development. As someone who works in the media, it always makes me sad when another potential employer of my breathren goes bust. Granted, AA was a piece of shit with a bad message and poor ratings, but I liked that they were around.

128 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:33:53am

Good morning, scaly people. Are we a calm cool collective this morning?

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:34:22am

re: #127 _RememberTonyC

Kind of what I said, but, you said it with more heart.

130 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:34:34am

re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morning everyone. This story only surprises me because I thought they were already gone:

Air America Shuts Down, Citing 'Difficult Economic Environment'

This has been a good week for schadenfreude.

No, they never actually shut down, they just lost what little talent they'd managed to recruit. Good riddance.

131 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:35:16am

re: #123 _RememberTonyC

some things never change ... pat buchanan figures out why Scott Brown won in Massachusetts and (you won't believe this) it's all about politicians not listening to white folks!

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

I suppose it doesn't matter that martha coakley was an awful candidate. In the world of "buchanan the nazi," it's ALWAYS about race.

yep. BTW, I don't know what the official policy is on linking WND but I think it's preferred we not link them directly, so here's the google cache link for you in case yours gets edited:
[Link: 74.125.93.132...]

132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:35:25am

re: #128 thedopefishlives

Good morning, scaly people. Are we a calm cool collective this morning?



COMMIE!

133 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:35:52am

re: #131 iceweasel

Whoops, quoted the WND link, sorry: [Link: 74.125.93.132...]

134 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:36:28am

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


COMMIE!

ACK! I've been made! Get me outta here!

135 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:36:59am

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of what I said, but, you said it with more heart.

i didn't know anyone who worked there, but it's always hard to find good gigs in the media. I suppose AA will soon be forgotten, but at least they can claim they helped put al franken in the senate.

136 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:38:12am

re: #131 iceweasel

yep. BTW, I don't know what the official policy is on linking WND but I think it's preferred we not link them directly, so here's the google cache link for you in case yours gets edited:
[Link: 74.125.93.132...]


didn't even realize i was linking wnd .... i grabbed it off drudge and did not look at the source. hopefully i didn't introduce any malware or viruses to LGF

137 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:40:13am

re: #120 generalsparky

Yeah St. Louis is awesome. I used to love doing plumbing work in some of those huge old mansions in the City with giant 10 feet wide staircases.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:40:27am

re: #135 _RememberTonyC

UGH!

Oh. I have I mentioned I am hating Minnesota for the next five years?

GEAUX SAINTS!

139 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:40:42am

re: #136 _RememberTonyC

didn't even realize i was linking wnd ... i grabbed it off drudge and did not look at the source. hopefully i didn't introduce any malware or viruses to LGF

I think it's a good post and I'm glad you made it; I'm also not sure if the official policy here is to not link to them-- I just provided the cache in case. No criticism of you implied at all!

140 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:41:45am

re: #135 _RememberTonyC

I suppose AA will soon be forgotten, but at least they can claim they helped put al franken in the senate.

GAH, please don't remind me that my adopted state has to bear the responsibility for putting that tool into power.

141 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:07am

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, cake donuts are neither cake nor donuts.

But they are soooo good!

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:11am

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See my #104.

143 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:15am

re: #139 iceweasel

I think it's a good post and I'm glad you made it; I'm also not sure if the official policy here is to not link to them-- I just provided the cache in case. No criticism of you implied at all!

No worries, Ice. I was not offended. Older Lizards are known for their thick skin.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:46am

Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.

Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...

145 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:58am

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

UGH!

Oh. I have I mentioned I am hating Minnesota for the next five years?

GEAUX SAINTS!

Mary Landriaux vs Al Franken .... there are no winners here :)

Go Saints

146 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:43:48am

re: #145 _RememberTonyC

Mary Landriaux vs Al Franken ... there are no winners here :)

Go Saints

Landrieu

and

Geaux.

147 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:44:09am

re: #140 thedopefishlives

GAH, please don't remind me that my adopted state has to bear the responsibility for putting that tool into power.

what do you folks put in the water up there?

Ventura?
Bachmann?
Franken?

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:44:26am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

But they are sooo good!

No they're not! There dried up sacks of crap!

(Pay no attention to that powdered sugar on my shirt)

149 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:45:27am

re: #146 reine.de.tout

Landrieu

and

Geaux.

Thanks ... I was too lazy to check the spelling ... but I figured I was close enough!

150 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:45:59am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.

Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...

Could be worse. I live in the DC area and look like Dan Snyder's twin brother.

151 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:46:11am

re: #147 _RememberTonyC

what do you folks put in the water up there?

Ventura?
Bachmann?
Franken?

LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

152 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:46:53am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No they're not! There dried up sacks of crap!

(Pay no attention to that powdered sugar on my shirt)

FBV -
If you like beignet-style doughnuts - here's a mix - - just add powdered sugar. And don't talk, laugh or sneeze while sitting over a plate of beignets.

153 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:47:52am

re: #149 _RememberTonyC

Thanks ... I was too lazy to check the spelling ... but I figured I was close enough!

We knew who you were talking about. So - you're right.

154 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:48:50am

re: #152 reine.de.tout

FBV -
If you like beignet-style doughnuts - here's a mix - - just add powdered sugar. And don't talk, laugh or sneeze while sitting over a plate of beignets.

I had beignets for the first time two years ago at that famour outdoor coffee place in NOLA when I was at the NBA All Star game ... what is the name of the joint? Those things were like little gut bombs.

155 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:49:20am

re: #154 _RememberTonyC

I had beignets for the first time two years ago at that famour outdoor coffee place in NOLA when I was at the NBA All Star game ... what is the name of the joint? Those things were like little gut bombs.

Cafe du Monde.

156 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:50:15am

re: #155 reine.de.tout

Cafe du Monde.

YES ... that's it .... we got there around 10pm. Cool scene!

157 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:50:25am

re: #154 _RememberTonyC

I had beignets for the first time two years ago at that famour outdoor coffee place in NOLA when I was at the NBA All Star game ... what is the name of the joint? Those things were like little gut bombs.

And you have to eat them when they're just cooked - otherwise, ew. I bet you got some from a batch that had been sitting a bit.

158 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:50:55am

Anyone remember who the nice lizard was that posted the doberman video link last week?

[Link: blogs.chron.com...]

Is a poodle smarter than your roommate?


The good news: Dogs are as smart as 2-year-old kids, can comprehend more than 150 words (although "super dogs" can understand 250), and can count up to four or five. The bad news: They are "consciously deceptive" and trick people into giving them what they want. "And they are nearly as successful in deceiving humans as humans are in deceiving dogs," Coren said. But you knew that.

Here are the smarties:
No. 1: Border collies
No. 2: Poodles
No. 3: German shepherds
No. 4: Golden retrievers
No. 5: Dobermans
No. 6: Shetland sheepdogs
No. 7: Labrador retrievers

Dobies were robbed. They're much smarter than shepherds but you have to be more gentle in their training.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:51:39am

Hey Lizards!

Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!

How are you-all?

160 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:52:09am

re: #157 reine.de.tout

And you have to eat them when they're just cooked - otherwise, ew. I bet you got some from a batch that had been sitting a bit.

could be ... they were sorta warm but I didn't care .... I was with a VERY fun crowd!

161 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:52:29am

re: #158 RogueOne

Anyone remember who the nice lizard was that posted the doberman video link last week?

[Link: blogs.chron.com...]

Is a poodle smarter than your roommate?

Dobies were robbed. They're much smarter than shepherds but you have to be more gentle in their training.

My dog is a chihuahua/terrier mix.
Really weird looking little dog.
But smart and honestly - the best dog in the world. Really.
He's fearless.

162 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:52:46am

re: #159 ggt

Hey Lizards!

Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!

How are you-all?

hungry ...

163 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:53:26am

hey folks ..... gonna check out for awhile .... BBL!

164 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:53:39am

re: #158 RogueOne

Have you heard of Rico the German border collie?

[Link: www.genomenewsnetwork.org...]

165 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:53:52am

re: #162 _RememberTonyC

Yes. I need bacon and lots of it. :D

166 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:56:40am

re: #164 Mad Al-Jaffee

Have you heard of Rico the German border collie?

[Link: www.genomenewsnetwork.org...]

I think I saw a video of him on a euro tv show. They had what looked like a hundred toys in a circle. His owner would call out a toy and he'd run and grab it. Smart, smart dog.

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:56:57am
168 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:57:58am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.

Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...

Did it make you cry?

169 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:58:36am

Fine photo Charles. Perhaps there would be a way to post some of your LGF photos as larger file screen savers?

Anyway fine photo.

170 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:59:17am

Good morning, all you jokers. It's Friday! Yay!

171 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:00:56am

re: #120 generalsparky

Cool! I grew up in Missouri. My husband is active duty Air Force and we live on the other side of the river but St. Louis is close and has a lot to offer.

St. Louis is a great city. A nice mix of what I consider my 2 hometowns, Detroit and Cincinnati. Big fan of river cities.

172 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:01:00am

Cajun who died went to hell..

The devil assigned him the usual punishment...put him in the mass pit where the heat was melting others. The devil came back sometime later surprised to find the Cajun just sitting around, not even misting, much less sweating. "How come you're not so much as sweating here where everyone else is screaming for relief from the heat?"

The Cajun laughed and said, "Man, I was raised in the bayous of Sout Looziana. Dis ain't nothin' but May in Lafayette to me!"

The devil decided to really put the Cajun through it. He put him in a sealed off cave in the pit with open blazes and four extra furnaces blasting. When he came back, days later, the Cajun was sitting pretty, had barely begun to bead up with sweat. The devil was outraged. "How is this possible!? You should be melted to a shrieking puddle in these conditions!."

The Cajun laughed even harder than before. "Hey, man! I done tole you. I was raised in Sout Looziana. You tink dis is heat?! Dis ain't nothin' but August in Jennings !"

So the devil thought, 'Alright, a little reverse ought to do the trick.' He put the Cajun into a corner of hell where no heat ever reached. It was freezing and to add to the Cajun's misery, he added massive icebergs and blasting frozen air. When he returned, the Cajun was shivering, ice hung from every part of him but he was grinning like it was Christmas.
Exasperated, the devil asked "HOW!? How is it possible?! You're impervious to heat and here you sit in conditions you can't be used to...freezing cold and yet you're happier than if you were in heaven. WHY?!"

The Cajun kept grinning and asked, "Dis mean de Saints won da Super Bowl!"

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:04:46am

Okay, this is odd.

Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.

A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.

Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.

174 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:05:44am

re: #172 reine.de.tout

That's awesome. But sorry, it'll be Vikings by 14 ;)

175 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:05:49am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, this is odd.

Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.

A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.

Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.

Or the bristles are made of melamine.

176 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:06:31am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, this is odd.

Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.

A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.

Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.

Cadmium.

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:07:32am

re: #150 Mad Al-Jaffee

The sadness deepens...

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:09:33am

Gotta git! Y'all have some fun, and "Be excellent to each other".

179 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:10:28am

re: #171 RogueOne

St. Louis is a great city. A nice mix of what I consider my 2 hometowns, Detroit and Cincinnati. Big fan of river cities.

I grew up in mid-MO and so I was pretty much in between Kansas City and St. Louis give or take a few miles. We always headed to St. Louis for shopping, zoo, science center, etc over Kansas City. St. Louis is a really great city :-)

180 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:11:45am

re: #158 RogueOne

Do you mean this one?

That beautiful girl is Ramsey of Ramsey and Pablo (a chihuahua) fame.

181 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:13:09am

re: #180 prairiefire

That's the one! I try to remember who the dog lovers are (because they're just better than cat-people) but sometimes I have short-term memory issues.

182 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:14:33am

re: #181 RogueOne

That's the one! I try to remember who the dog lovers are (because they're just better than cat-people) but sometimes I have short-term memory issues.

What about people who like cats AND dogs?

For the record, I love cats. Sure, they may not be as cool as dogs, but I find them intelligent and self-maintaining (for the most part) animals. Plus, there's nothing like the feeling of passing out on the couch and waking up with a purring animal on your stomach.

183 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:15:32am

re: #182 thedopefishlives

What about people who like cats AND dogs?

You mean the ones who want cats and dogs living together?!!

184 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:16:26am

This blogspot is a lot of fun. A doberman and chihuahua living together in harmony. Ramsey and Pablo Blogspot:[Link: ramseyandpablo.blogspot.com...]

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:17:11am

Have a wonderful day all!

BTW, for the records, I fall under the Cat & Dog category.

186 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:19:57am

re: #183 Mad Al-Jaffee

You mean the ones who want cats and dogs living together?!!

Psh, no. I don't know if I'll ever own another dog. Although the Mrs. Fish does want to get a chihuahua, I think my cats would probably eat it.

187 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:20:56am

re: #182 thedopefishlives

Your cat is trying to find out if you're still alive so it knows if it can eat you or not.

[Link: www.denisleary.com...]

When’s the last time you stood at a street corner waiting for the walk sign to blink to life while a blind guy wearing wraparound sunglasses and carrying a cane sidled up to you — miraculously unafraid and NOT bumping into anything or anyone — because of the efforts of his faithful, duty-bound, Seeing Eye CAT? Never? That would be the universal answer.

There is no Cat Whisperer.

A cat could give two catshits if you are in a good mood or a bad mood. The only time he/she/it decides to rub against your lower leg and purr its purry little purr is when it’s

1. Hungry
2. Really hungry
3. Hungry and in heat

Dogs have a snout that breaks into a doggie smile when they greet you. Cats just sit there and glare.

Dogs dream. They run and yelp and spout muted barks of warning — even as their eyes are closed — probably protecting you from some awful, unknown entity.

Cats nap. Hoping that you fall into a deep, deep sleep. So they can then begin their secret, evil rounds.

188 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:22:21am

re: #186 thedopefishlives

You didn't get my Ghostbusters reference?

189 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:22:52am

re: #188 Mad Al-Jaffee

You didn't get my Ghostbusters reference?

Nope. It's been YEARS since I've been in that genre, sorry.

190 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:27:34am

re: #182 thedopefishlives

What about people who like cats AND dogs?

For the record, I love cats. Sure, they may not be as cool as dogs, but I find them intelligent and self-maintaining (for the most part) animals. Plus, there's nothing like the feeling of passing out on the couch and waking up with a purring animal on your stomach.

Two dogs, one cat. I'm with you on the waking up to purring cat thing (mine prefers to lay down 2 inches from my nose). But I'm allergic to cats, so the effect of this for me is that my wakeups come with 30 minutes of sneezing and I have a box-a-day kleenex habit.

191 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:28:27am

Good morning Lizards!

A little over freezing and light overcast here in Philly.

A couple of overnight report jobs went belly-up due to a database issue, so it's scrambling to re-run while getting the initial cup of tea drunk. (Company coffee here is bad, really bad, so I went back to drinking tea for my morning caffeine hit.)

192 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:29:31am

re: #190 cliffster

Two dogs, one cat. I'm with you on the waking up to purring cat thing (mine prefers to lay down 2 inches from my nose). But I'm allergic to cats, so the effect of this for me is that my wakeups come with 30 minutes of sneezing and I have a box-a-day kleenex habit.

Well, mine don't usually sleep with me because I rarely sleep on the couch anymore. That'll probably change once I get moved into the new fishbowl and have an actually living room to, y'know, LIVE in.

193 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:29:44am

re: #189 thedopefishlives

Nope. It's been YEARS since I've been in that genre, sorry.

First the cat thing and then the ghostbusters diss? I'm starting to grow concerned//

194 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:30:58am

re: #191 oaktree

Good morning Lizards!

A little over freezing and light overcast here in Philly.

A couple of overnight report jobs went belly-up due to a database issue, so it's scrambling to re-run while getting the initial cup of tea drunk. (Company coffee here is bad, really bad, so I went back to drinking tea for my morning caffeine hit.)

So your report jobs and the country's jobs report are pretty much in the same place?

195 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:30:58am
196 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:31:15am

re: #191 oaktree

Morning to you.

I almost always have breakfast and coffee at home before I leave for work. I've gotten pretty good making pseudo lattes. I brew a strong, small cup of coffee in my stovetop moka express and add it to some frothed milk. If I don't have time, I go across the street at work and get a $1.75 espresso from the local sandwich/coffee shop.

197 darthstar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:33:45am

re: #191 oaktree

Good morning Lizards!

A little over freezing and light overcast here in Philly.

A couple of overnight report jobs went belly-up due to a database issue, so it's scrambling to re-run while getting the initial cup of tea drunk. (Company coffee here is bad, really bad, so I went back to drinking tea for my morning caffeine hit.)

I have a cup of PG Tips every morning. Good tea. I also drink coffee when I get to work.

Mornin' all.

198 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:34:58am

re: #194 cliffster

So your report jobs and the country's jobs report are pretty much in the same place?

No. Recovery on my side is much easier to understand and implement. Quite a difference between a country of 300 million people and a large-scale economy and a fairly simple set of financial reports generating under a batch job.

199 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:35:28am

re: #174 cliffster

That's awesome. But sorry, it'll be Vikings by 14 ;)

Wouldn't that be nice, but then, pressure would really mount to avoid losing the SB yet again.

200 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:36:00am

re: #191 oaktree

re: #197 darthstar

Automatic updings for all tea drinkers. That would be double for PG Tips if I could.

201 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:36:06am

Morning,everyone!

202 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:36:53am

Awhile back we were having a conversation and there were people skeptical that the gov't would deal in illegal substances and put them out on the street just to catch "bad guys". This story isn't about drugs, but they did put 250 million illegal cig's out there to catch smugglers:

[Link: www.thenewstribune.com...]


Undercover ATF agents in Virginia have funneled more than 250 million cigarettes onto the nation's streets in the past three years through black market sales targeting smugglers, an Associated Press review has found.

Authorities say the flood of government-provided smokes - a pack and a half for every man, woman and child in New York City, the smugglers' main destination - leads them to organized crime rings and can even cut off financing for terrorists. The stings by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have yielded about five dozen federal arrests, albeit none on terror charges.

Many of those cigarettes undoubtedly wind up in the mouths of minors, since black market vendors have no reason to turn away teenage purchasers.

If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.

203 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:41:04am

re: #199 Semper Fi

Wouldn't that be nice, but then, pressure would really mount to avoid losing the SB yet again.

I'm not sure who to root for in that game. I'd love to see Brees make it but I'm more confident the colts can beat the vike's. Plus, I'd love to see Freeney/Mathis make Favre look bad.

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:41:09am

re: #202 RogueOne

Should I shout Allah Akbar as I light my Pall Mall?
/

205 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:41:11am

Happy Birthday, Steve Perry!


(Beats a video of two cats fucking.)

206 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:42:13am

re: #205 MandyManners

Happy Birthday, Steve Perry!

[Video](Beats a video of two cats fucking.)

How nice of you to throw that in.

207 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:42:44am

re: #205 MandyManners

re: #206 iceweasel

And that looks like my cue to step out, again. Will you two ever be able to play nice?

208 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:43:57am

re: #207 thedopefishlives

re: #206 iceweasel

And that looks like my cue to step out, again. Will you two ever be able to play nice?

I suggest you direct that to Mandy, and not to the one who merely called her out for her obvious and needless baiting.

209 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:44:10am

re: #205 MandyManners

That reminds me - yesterday was Leadbelly's birthday.

210 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:44:34am

So distracted by the thought of Vikings on sunday forgot to say good morning and mention the weather is in 'clearing' mode overall. Ventura, CA has seen much rain and wind with a funnel touching down, I'm told.

211 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:47:22am

re: #208 iceweasel

Can you still be the one who's awesome and stops, rather than carrying it on?

Because that'd be like, double-awesome.

212 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:47:34am

re: #202 RogueOne
[snip] If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.

Where are you getting that? Some funding for terrorism has been raised by bootlegging cig's - the illegal (untaxed or less-taxed) stuff, typically moved to NYC, where state and local taxes are higher. The feds are going after bootleg distribution channels, partly for that reason.

213 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:47:59am
214 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:49:57am

re: #211 Obdicut

Can you still be the one who's awesome and stops, rather than carrying it on?

Because that'd be like, double-awesome.

Thanks!
I don't intend to carry it on, but every once in a while it's necessary to call out someone who repeatedly makes that kind of comment.

This was such an instance.

215 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:51:18am

re: #203 RogueOne

I'm not sure who to root for in that game. I'd love to see Brees make it but I'm more confident the colts can beat the vike's. Plus, I'd love to see Freeney/Mathis make Favre look bad.

I feel somewhat similarly except for the Favre part. I truly feel the Saints should win handily. The Vikings however, are capable of winning by putting together a good/great team effort. If the latter happens, I'm afraid it would set them up for Manning (who is great) with a predictable outcome.
Never-the-less, I'm a Viking fan because of Favre.

216 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:51:50am

Interesting article about capitalism in the US:

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

Here's a longer piece by him about the economic meltdown, from earlier in this year:

[Link: www.vanityfair.com...]

217 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:51:52am

re: #212 abolitionist

[snip] If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.

Where are you getting that? Some funding for terrorism has been raised by bootlegging cig's - the illegal (untaxed or less-taxed) stuff, typically moved to NYC, where state and local taxes are higher. The feds are going after bootleg distribution channels, partly for that reason.

FTA:


The stings by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have yielded about five dozen federal arrests, albeit none on terror charges.
....
While there have been terrorists who have made money through cigarette smuggling, it's far more common to find smugglers linked to organized crime, said John W. Colledge III, a Nevada-based consultant who once ran large-scale cigarette smuggling investigations for the U.S. Customs Service.

"Unfortunately, terrorism has become a sort of a buzzword," he said. "That's what gets you funding."

99% of the people busted are just trying to get around tax increases.

218 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:53:52am
219 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:54:08am
220 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:55:08am

re: #215 Semper Fi

Brees is an adopted hoosier since he played at Purdue. Plus, the feeling around here is they'd love to see Manning vs. what's really his hometown team and the team his dad played with all those years they flat-out sucked.

221 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:56:12am

re: #218 Mad Al-Jaffee

Onion: God's Wrath According To Pat Robertson

Space Shuttle Challenger Explosion, 1986: Ten-year-old Walt Sudul, of Racine, WI, made friends with a Jewish boy at school

I laughed, probably shouldn't have, but I did.

222 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:57:35am

re: #215 Semper Fi

I feel somewhat similarly except for the Favre part. I truly feel the Saints should win handily. The Vikings however, are capable of winning by putting together a good/great team effort. If the latter happens, I'm afraid it would set them up for Manning (who is great) with a predictable outcome.
Never-the-less, I'm a Viking fan because of Favre.

I've never seen anyone do some of the stuff Favre is doing this year. He's the best in the game, with the possible exception of Manning (Peyton-style). That's why it's going to be Colts/Vikings. And that's gonna be one hell of a show.

223 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:57:59am

re: #218 Mad Al-Jaffee

Onion: God's Wrath According To Pat Robertson

That's brilliant!

* Eruption of Mount St. Helens, 1980: Divine wrath was incurred when people were too busy enjoying the natural beauty of Washington state and not spending enough time appreciating God

* Space Shuttle Challenger Explosion, 1986: Ten-year-old Walt Sudul, of Racine, WI, made friends with a Jewish boy at school

* Crash of American Airlines Flight 587, 2001: Though the flight was filled with pious individuals, God was distracted by a masturbating 14-year-old in Boise, ID and was therefore unable to keep the aircraft from falling apart in midair, like all planes would without His loving intervention

* Columbine High School Massacre, 1999: Tinky Winky

* Indian Ocean Tsunami, 2004: Newlyweds Todd and Nancy Tate experimented with non-missionary sex during their honeymoon

224 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:00:58am

re: #217 RogueOne

99% of the people busted are just trying to get around tax increases.

So how are those 99% (and others who don't buy from smugglers) supporting terrorism?

225 darthstar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:04:33am

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

226 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:06:08am

re: #224 abolitionist

So how are those 99% (and others who don't buy from smugglers) supporting terrorism?

They aren't. Should I have added the obvious sarc tag? My main reason for commenting on the story was to point out the feds have no moral qualms in dealing illegal substances. The smoking=terrorism line of reasoning struck me funny.

227 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:08:27am

re: #225 darthstar

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

Oh, that's right. We're all just fucking sheep who do as our masters bid us.

Eeeevill Korporashuns.

228 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:08:41am

re: #225 darthstar

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

Exactly. How is a grass-roots guy like Obama supposed to compete when he could only raise $650 million under the old rules.

229 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:09:04am

re: #225 darthstar

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

I'm sorry... thanks to SCOTUS for upholding the US Constitution? Is that really what you mean?
Really?

230 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:09:44am

Is there anyone here who knows London?

231 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:02am
232 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:14am

re: #228 RogueOne

Exactly. How is a grass-roots guy like Obama supposed to compete when he could only raise $650 million under the old rules.

My bad, $750 Million.

[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]

233 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:16am

re: #230 _RememberTonyC

Is there anyone here who knows London?

It is in England.

234 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:36am

re: #225 darthstar

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

Yeah, I posted this in spinoffs last night from the SCOTUSblog:
[Link: www.scotusblog.com...]

Even if he's determined to do something about it, options are very limited.

235 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:56am

re: #233 CapeCoddah

It is in England.

HA!

236 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:10am

re: #230 _RememberTonyC

Is there anyone here who knows London?

Some of us, I think, somewhat. What did you need to know?

237 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:11am

re: #233 CapeCoddah

It is in England.

No, it's in KY.
[Link: maps.google.com...]

238 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:17am

re: #233 CapeCoddah

It is in England.

also Ontario for you hockey fans ... I've never been to the UK but may go in 2011

239 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:25am

re: #229 CapeCoddah

I'm sorry... thanks to SCOTUS for upholding the US Constitution? Is that really what you mean?
Really?

Korporashuns are eeevilll.

240 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:38am

re: #230 _RememberTonyC

Is there anyone here who knows London?

I think he wrote Call of the Wild.

241 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:04am

Well, I wonder if there's second thoughts about this one yet?

Leno to headline White House correspondents' dinner

A great PR move on their part would be to issue a statement something like "Sorry Jay, but it appears that our first choice, Conan O'Brien suddenly found an opening in his schedule and was able to appear after all".

242 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:10am

this is a tough room ...

243 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:44am

re: #236 iceweasel

Some of us, I think, somewhat. What did you need to know?

local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London

244 gymmom  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:54am

re: #240 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think he wrote Call of the Wild.

And HS students across America still haven't forgiven him.

245 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:11am

re: #242 _RememberTonyC

this is a tough room ...

*smooch*

246 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:12am

re: #237 RogueOne

No, it's in KY.
[Link: maps.google.com...]

Like Paris, Maine? Could not find the Eiffel Tower....there was a toothpick factory, though.

247 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:14am

re: #225 darthstar

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

"excess profits"?!?!?

248 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:18am

re: #239 MandyManners

Korporashuns are eeevilll.

Runaway corporate funding does not bode well for democracy.

249 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:21am

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London

Don't drive on the right side of the road.

250 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:22am

re: #220 RogueOne

Brees is an adopted hoosier since he played at Purdue. Plus, the feeling around here is they'd love to see Manning vs. what's really his hometown team and the team his dad played with all those years they flat-out sucked.

I'm sure Archie is proud of his son's accomplishments. Colts vs Saints in the SB would, I think, be a game the fans could count on as deserving of the Super hype.

251 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:48am

re: #245 MandyManners

*smooch*


go girl ...

252 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:07am

re: #239 MandyManners

Korporashuns are eeevilll.

All those evil bastards employing PEOPLE! Feeding families, paying mortgages... those sons of bitches.

253 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:21am

re: #248 shala

Runaway corporate funding does not bode well for democracy.

KILL TEH EEEVILLL KORPORASHUNS!

254 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:22am

re: #249 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don't drive on the right side of the road.

this is a gawd damn tough room ...

255 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:34am

re: #251 _RememberTonyC

go girl ...

In bed.

256 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:44am

re: #253 MandyManners

KILL TEH EEEVILLL KORPORASHUNS!

Or you could reply to what I actually said. :D

257 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:54am

One FARK link and then I'll quit. Who else though would find a story like this:

Cops tug to top
Police, students support Porcupine United Way
[Link: www.timminspress.com...]

With a must-see pic of a tug-of-war contest.

258 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:00am

re: #252 CapeCoddah

All those evil bastards employing PEOPLE! Feeding families, paying mortgages... those sons of bitches.

And, paying dividends to those scummy investors!

259 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:26am

re: #256 shala

Or you could reply to what I actually said. :D

KILL TEH EEEVILLL KORPORASHUNS!

260 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:34am

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London

Take your own toothbrush.

261 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:59am

re: #259 MandyManners

KILL TEH EEEVILLL KORPORASHUNS!

Eh, there's just no talking to you, is there.

262 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:16:23am

re: #248 shala

Runaway corporate funding does not bode well for democracy.

There are only so much demand for tie dyed T-Shirt shops and Health Food stands
The rest of us poor schlobs have to work somewhere !!

263 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:16:49am

re: #258 MandyManners

And, paying dividends to those scummy investors!

Not to mention funding 401K and retirment plans

264 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:17:22am
265 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:17:50am

re: #262 Sattv4u2

There are only so much demand for tie dyed T-Shirt shops and Health Food stands
The rest of us poor schlobs have to work somewhere !!

Hey, quote me the part where I said corporations are inherently evil and useless and I'll happily take it back.

266 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:17:53am

re: #260 RogueOne

Take your own toothbrush.

check ...

how much in US dollars is 200 lbs sterling?

267 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:04am

re: #229 CapeCoddah

I'm sorry... thanks to SCOTUS for upholding the US Constitution? Is that really what you mean?
Really?

The question should be, how come the constitution has been violated for so long if it that simple; and I would add, where is my right as a corporate shareholder to vote on any proposed political donations?

I suppose the latter has no constitutional relevance?/

Smells of the politics of the day to me.

268 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:15am

re: #263 Sattv4u2

Not to mention funding 401K and retirment plans

U R SEW EEEBILLL

269 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:30am

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London

Sure, give me a few secs and I'll write some up, designed specifically for Americans who haven't been to the UK or London before. No doubt others will have more to add as well.
BRB

270 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:45am

re: #256 shala

Or you could reply to what I actually said. :D

Taking free speech from ANYONE is the antithesis of democracy. Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations and the PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVINGS WITH THEM.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?

271 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:19:41am

re: #265 shala

Hey, quote me the part where I said corporations are inherently evil and useless and I'll happily take it back.

"runaway" was meant as a compliment? My bad !
/

272 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:20:02am

re: #261 shala

Eh, there's just no talking to you, is there.

you got the answer your assinine statement deserved.

273 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:20:04am

re: #269 iceweasel

Sure, give me a few secs and I'll write some up, designed specifically for Americans who haven't been to the UK or London before. No doubt others will have more to add as well.
BRB

thanks Ice ...

274 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:20:31am

re: #270 CapeCoddah

Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations

I don't agree with that second part.

Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?

I also don't think unions should be able to fund campaigns, either.

275 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:21:20am

re: #266 _RememberTonyC

check ...

how much in US dollars is 200 lbs sterling?

As weak as the U.S. dollar is at the moment I'd guess, $12,000.

276 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:21:27am

I'm glad to see Charles is back online.

I was afraid we would have to discharge the Lizard Army to free him from the cold icy grasp of the TSA.

277 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:21:51am

re: #266 _RememberTonyC

check ...

how much in US dollars is 200 lbs sterling?

About 323.00 USD. Exchange rate has been hovering around 61 cents to the pound. Some days it bounces up to 63 or so. It's shit, basically. There are a few apps you can install to track it on your desktop or elsewhere minute by minute.
BRB with more

278 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:01am

re: #275 RogueOne

As weak as the U.S. dollar is at the moment I'd guess, $12,000.

Hopefully it's closer to $500 ...

279 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:08am

re: #267 Naso Tang

The question should be, how come the constitution has been violated for so long if it that simple; and I would add, where is my right as a corporate shareholder to vote on any proposed political donations?

I suppose the latter has no constitutional relevance?/

Smells of the politics of the day to me.

The court can only take up what has been brought before it.. this was the frst time it was challenged that far. We got the answer, which most of knew was the right one from day one with McCain- Feingold.

280 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:27am

re: #271 Sattv4u2

"runaway" was meant as a compliment? My bad !
/

It was meant as a qualifier, actually. Mild levels of corporate funding--I can't see causing too much of a problem. Runaway levels--I could see causing a problem.

281 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:47am

re: #277 iceweasel

About 323.00 USD. Exchange rate has been hovering around 61 cents to the pound. Some days it bounces up to 63 or so. It's shit, basically. There are a few apps you can install to track it on your desktop or elsewhere minute by minute.
BRB with more


great to know .... thanks again ...

282 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:56am

re: #278 _RememberTonyC

Hopefully it's closer to $500 ...

If weasel is right, and I'd assume she is, give it a few more weeks and it'll be closer to the $500 you wanted.

283 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:15am

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London

"An elevator is called a 'lift', a mile is called a 'kilometer', and
botulism is called 'steak and kidney pie'."

-Marj Simpson

284 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:18am

re: #270 CapeCoddah

Taking free speech from ANYONE is the antithesis of democracy. Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations and the PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVINGS WITH THEM.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?

Stop making sense!


285 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:24am

re: #267 Naso Tang

The question should be, how come the constitution has been violated for so long if it that simple; and I would add, where is my right as a corporate shareholder to vote on any proposed political donations?

I suppose the latter has no constitutional relevance?/

Smells of the politics of the day to me.

You have the right not to invest in a company that supports candidates you do not support. Simple.

286 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:45am

re: #222 cliffster

I've never seen anyone do some of the stuff Favre is doing this year. He's the best in the game, with the possible exception of Manning (Peyton-style). That's why it's going to be Colts/Vikings. And that's gonna be one hell of a show.

If both QB's were 'on' it certainly would be a treat to watch. I'd prefer a close, lead changing game with great line effort on both sides and the final TD caught, juggled, and finally controlled one-handed to overshadow the great helmet-catch of another SB.

287 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:48am

re: #281 _RememberTonyC

Why you headed to london? Going to find your roots or business?

288 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:24:30am

re: #270 CapeCoddah

Taking free speech from ANYONE is the antithesis of democracy. Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations and the PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVINGS WITH THEM.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?

And again I ask, where does the term "public (owned) corporation" fit into all this? Am I to be forced to ask (and never get an answer) for the political stances of management and how much of my dividends they will use to influence politics instead of business plans before I decide to invest?

Privately owned businesses can do what they want. Public owned business is a different category.

289 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:24:33am

re: #279 CapeCoddah

The court can only take up what has been brought before it.. this was the frst time it was challenged that far. We got the answer, which most of knew was the right one from day one with McCain- Feingold.

EEEBILLL...EEEBILLL...U R TEH DEBILLL

290 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:10am

re: #289 MandyManners

EEEBILLL...EEEBILLL...U R TEH DEBILLL

I work for a corporation. Does that make me eeebilll too?

291 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:27am

re: #272 CapeCoddah

you got the answer your assinine statement deserved.

Mind letting me know what was asinine about it? I know sometimes I can sound disingenuous, but I talk in all sincerity here. Unless it's time for sarcasm, of course.

292 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:51am

re: #280 shala

It was meant as a qualifier, actually. Mild levels of corporate funding--I can't see causing too much of a problem. Runaway levels--I could see causing a problem.

I see. So who is to determine what "mild-level" is as opposed to "runaway levels"?

Should there be a hard dollar number cap? A percentage of profits? A percenatge of profit margin? Should it be a line item in EBITDA!?!?! A dollar figure multiplied by the number of employees? A percenatge of what that business pays in taxes?
Coming out and stating "runaway profits" without having a clue as to how to "qualify" it?

293 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:57am

re: #274 shala

I also don't think unions should be able to fund campaigns, either.

Bummer for you, The constitution says free speech for all. Not for who YOU think should have it.

294 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:00am

re: #279 CapeCoddah

The court can only take up what has been brought before it.. this was the frst time it was challenged that far. We got the answer, which most of knew was the right one from day one with McCain- Feingold.

4 justices were smart enough to not be literalists only.

295 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:15am

re: #292 Sattv4u2

I see. So who is to determine what "mild-level" is as opposed to "runaway levels"?

Should there be a hard dollar number cap? A percentage of profits? A percenatge of profit margin? Should it be a line item in EBITDA!?!?! A dollar figure multiplied by the number of employees? A percenatge of what that business pays in taxes?
Coming out and stating "runaway profits" without having a clue as to how to "qualify" it?

WINDFALL TAX!

296 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:19am

All corporations want to do is destroy the smurf village to steal their smurf berries! In 3D!

297 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:30am

re: #290 thedopefishlives

I work for a corporation. Does that make me eeebilll too?

WEARZ MAH GARLIK?

298 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:53am

re: #287 RogueOne

Why you headed to london? Going to find your roots or business?

big wifey b'day .... she is huge tennis fan ... wanna see Wimbledon and the country ... hope to spend a week or so there.

299 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:27:31am

re: #298 _RememberTonyC

big wifey b'day ... she is huge tennis fan ... wanna see Wimbledon and the country ... hope to spend a week or so there.

Aw, you're a sweetie!

300 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:27:36am

re: #284 MandyManners

Sorry, mom. Won't do it again!/

301 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:28:18am

re: #292 Sattv4u2

I see. So who is to determine what "mild-level" is as opposed to "runaway levels"?

Should there be a hard dollar number cap? A percentage of profits? A percenatge of profit margin? Should it be a line item in EBITDA!?!?! A dollar figure multiplied by the number of employees? A percenatge of what that business pays in taxes?
Coming out and stating "runaway profits" without having a clue as to how to "qualify" it?

I didn't mention "runaway profits" at any point, though. Just runaway funding. I would consider it "runaway" or just excessive if the majority of one candidate's funding comes from one source. Makes me wonder about their true obligations.

302 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:28:39am

I was (obviously) joking about the driving on the right side of the road. But get used to looking right-left-right when you cross the street. Took me a long time to get used to that when I lived in England. And when I finally did, I went to Denmark, where it's normal (left-right-left.) Almost got run over a couple of times in Copenhagen. :)

303 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:28:40am

re: #288 Naso Tang

And again I ask, where does the term "public (owned) corporation" fit into all this? Am I to be forced to ask (and never get an answer) for the political stances of management and how much of my dividends they will use to influence politics instead of business plans before I decide to invest?

Privately owned businesses can do what they want. Public owned business is a different category.

Try a civics 101 class.

304 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:29:25am

re: #299 MandyManners

Aw, you're a sweetie!

Thanks Mandy ;)
Hope Wifey agrees

305 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:29:33am

What do people here think of the following? Does the person who said this have a valid point?


I hold that a corporation does ill if it seeks profit in restricting production and then by extorting high prices from the community by reason of the scarcity of the product; through adulterating, lyingly advertising, or over-driving the help; or replacing men workers with children; or by rebates; or in any illegal or improper manner driving competitors out of its way; or seeking to achieve monopoly by illegal or unethical treatment of its competitors, or in any shape or way offending against the moral law either in connection with the public or with its employees or with its rivals. Any corporation which seeks its profit in such fashion is acting badly. It is, in fact, a conspiracy against the public welfare which the Government should use all its powers to suppress.

If, on the other hand, a corporation seeks profit solely by increasing its products through eliminating waste, improving its processes, utilizing its by-products, installing better machines, raising wages in the effort to secure more efficient help, introducing the principle of co-operation and mutual benefit, dealing fairly with labor unions, setting its face against the underpayment of women and the employment of children; in a word, treating the public fairly and its rivals fairly: then such a corporation is behaving well. It is an instrumentality of civilization operating to promote abundance by cheapening the cost of living so as to improve conditions everywhere throughout the whole community.

306 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:29:40am

re: #285 CapeCoddah

You have the right not to invest in a company that supports candidates you do not support. Simple.

I was hoping you wouldn't make that obvious response. As per my other post, I should then have the right to vote on the corporate political actions if I am already a shareholder, and I should have the right to know what it is before I decide to invest.

Do you think either condition is covered?

307 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:07am

Last I looked, 1 pound British Sterling costs $1.69. That is about the same rate that I paid in 1982. It was much worse 2 years ago at $1.98 for 1 pound Sterling.

308 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:23am

re: #303 CapeCoddah

Try a civics 101 class.

Are you trying to avoid my statements?

309 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:33am

re: #282 RogueOne

If weasel is right, and I'd assume she is, give it a few more weeks and it'll be closer to the $500 you wanted.

Yeah. It's going to get worse, not better. Back in a sec--
Tony C, writing up some info for you now

310 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:42am

Zaslav's big Di$covery

Discovery Communications CEO David Zaslav made more in one day last week than most of his bosses make in a year.

Zaslav, who oversaw the cable network growth at NBC Universal that CEO Jeff Zucker is now taking credit for, recently took home $34 million, according to a regulatory filing.

The money resulted from stock options vesting and automatically being sold due to an increase in the value of Discovery's shares last year.

The massive one-day payout accounts for more than half of the $55 million Zaslav stands to earn from a new five-year employment contract he signed in September.

Some get left alone.

311 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:43am
312 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:58am

re: #302 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was (obviously) joking about the driving on the right side of the road. But get used to looking right-left-right when you cross the street. Took me a long time to get used to that when I lived in England. And when I finally did, I went to Denmark, where it's normal (left-right-left.) Almost got run over a couple of times in Copenhagen. :)

that's what i'm talkin about

313 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:31:18am

re: #303 CapeCoddah

Try a civics 101 class.

Teh skool iz hard

314 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:31:24am

Obama raised $1,500,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 for his campaign. And no one can really say where most of it came from. That's WAY better than the people who actually drive the economy trying to influence the politics...?

315 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:31:32am

re: #291 shala

Mind letting me know what was asinine about it? I know sometimes I can sound disingenuous, but I talk in all sincerity here. Unless it's time for sarcasm, of course.

If there was any point trying to explain it to you , I would. The very fact that you asked the question leads me to believe any attempt at explanation to you would be an abysmal waste of my time. I stay away from excersises in futility.

316 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:16am

re: #313 MandyManners

Teh skool iz hard

Me fail english? That's unpossible!

317 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:26am

re: #309 iceweasel

Yeah. It's going to get worse, not better. Back in a sec--
Tony C, writing up some info for you now

you're too kind ... we're going in 18 months ... so no huge hurry

318 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:43am

re: #317 _RememberTonyC

you're too kind ... we're going in 18 months ... so no huge hurry

Google.

319 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:48am

re: #294 Naso Tang

4 justices were smart enough to not be literalists only.

Yeah, thats why they lost the vote.

320 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:33:14am

re: #313 MandyManners

Teh skool iz hard

So, you think it has been hard for the Supreme Court for the past 100 years or whatever it is too?

321 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:33:57am

re: #318 Ben Hur

Google.

i need "local" knowledge, not google drek ... i appreciate the help

322 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:34:00am

re: #293 CapeCoddah

Bummer for you, The constitution says free speech for all. Not for who YOU think should have it.

I'm not so sure the founders had political funding in mind when they crafted the First Amendment. Corporate personhood definitely wasn't around back then, anyway.

323 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:34:30am
324 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:34:44am

re: #306 Naso Tang

I was hoping you wouldn't make that obvious response. As per my other post, I should then have the right to vote on the corporate political actions if I am already a shareholder, and I should have the right to know what it is before I decide to invest.

Do you think either condition is covered?

That is an issue for shareholders to address with the corporation. Write a letter.

325 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:16am

re: #302 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was (obviously) joking about the driving on the right side of the road. But get used to looking right-left-right when you cross the street. Took me a long time to get used to that when I lived in England. And when I finally did, I went to Denmark, where it's normal (left-right-left.) Almost got run over a couple of times in Copenhagen. :)

Yeah, I'm sure the "confusion" in copenhagen was all the fault of getting used to traffic patterns.//

326 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:22am

re: #319 CapeCoddah

Yeah, thats why they lost the vote.

They lost the vote because they were smarter?

327 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:47am

re: #306 Naso Tang

Or, don't invest. You know the rules going in. Go open a savings account. Your choice.

328 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:55am

re: #298 _RememberTonyC

Be careful around the tube stop for Wimbledon. London is a huge city. It ain't all quaint and bucolic. Fantastic, most beautiful and thriving city on the planet.
The new bridge and London eye are great.
Do you like art? Tate Museum and the Courtald Gallery
Do you like history? British Museum: Death masks, Darwin, the library room that has actual pieces of historic writing on display. The huge Leonardo Da Vinci painting. I was near tears after the last two areas.
Trafalgar Square~Don't get pooped on by pigeons

329 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:05am
330 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:11am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.

Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...

Did you cry too?

331 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:18am

re: #315 CapeCoddah

If there was any point trying to explain it to you , I would. The very fact that you asked the question leads me to believe any attempt at explanation to you would be an abysmal waste of my time. I stay away from excersises in futility.

I'm sorry to hear that--I'm here so I can hear opinions that are different than mine.

332 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:22am
333 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:28am
334 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:41am

re: #325 RogueOne

I never inhaled.

335 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:48am

Bye!

336 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:49am

re: #324 CapeCoddah

That is an issue for shareholders to address with the corporation. Write a letter.

Give me a break. You obviously miss the point, or don't want to address it.

337 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:53am

re: #321 _RememberTonyC

i need "local" knowledge, not google drek ... i appreciate the help

Not my point.

Enjoy London! It kicks ass.

338 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:37:23am

re: #301 shala

I didn't mention "runaway profits" at any point, though. Just runaway funding. I would consider it "runaway" or just excessive if the majority of one candidate's funding comes from one source. Makes me wonder about their true obligations.

Okay. Lets try it your way with this scenario

You and I are running for a local level seat, lets say county commissioner in some backwoods Alabama county

I'm a KKK member and raise $10,000 in individual ($25 each and less) contributions

YOU are not a KKK member, but a black male who wants to help the local factory create jobs. Tha company wants to give you $5,000 and you raise another $5,000 from individual contributions

Under your "rules" the company could NOT give you that, so you wouldn't be able to compete ad wise with me!

339 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:37:32am

re: #323 MandyManners

Have a great day, Lizards!

Later MM

340 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:37:47am

Who thinks it's a good idea to have legislators decide which Americans get to influence elections and which ones don't? Raise your hands!

341 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:38:39am

re: #328 prairiefire

Be careful around the tube stop for Wimbledon. London is a huge city. It ain't all quaint and bucolic. Fantastic, most beautiful and thriving city on the planet.
The new bridge and London eye are great.
Do you like art? Tate Museum and the Courtald Gallery
Do you like history? British Museum: Death masks, Darwin, the library room that has actual pieces of historic writing on display. The huge Leonardo Da Vinci painting. I was near tears after the last two areas.
Trafalgar Square~Don't get pooped on by pigeons


awesome ... thanks

342 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:38:41am

re: #335 MandyManners

Bye!

*waves enthusiastically*

Have a good weekend!

343 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:39:14am

Hey.
Jon Stewart rips Olbermann.
I especially like the "association" part.

344 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:39:25am

re: #327 CapeCoddah

Or, don't invest. You know the rules going in. Go open a savings account. Your choice.

Please, try to argue the points presented. Quips like that are silly.

345 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:40:07am

re: #322 shala

I'm not so sure the founders had political funding in mind when they crafted the First Amendment. Corporate personhood definitely wasn't around back then, anyway.

well, since they are all dead, and we have only the Constitution they left behind...
Do you think there were no such things as business and political support back then?
They knew what they were doing, and gave the government all the power they wanted it to have, for the good of all. Dont like it? There are plenty of places you can go on-planet that should fit your bill. We are still free here.

346 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:41:09am

re: #326 Naso Tang

They lost the vote because they were smarter?

No, because they are wrong.

347 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:06am

Are not those "evil" oil corporations tax rates higher than their profit margins???

348 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:07am

re: #338 Sattv4u2

Okay. Lets try it your way with this scenario

[snip]

Under your "rules" the company could NOT give you that, so you wouldn't be able to compete ad wise with me!

That would be unfortunate for the hypothetical me, definitely, and for the good of the county. But the opposite scenario could just as easily happen.

349 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:16am

re: #72 Boogberg

Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!

Do you think it's the death of Obamacare that is causing the sell off?

350 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:23am

re: #336 Naso Tang

Give me a break. You obviously miss the point, or don't want to address it.

Actually, it is you missing several hundred points.

351 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:28am

re: #159 ggt

Hey Lizards!

Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!

How are you-all?

Just loving this sweet LOLA music video

352 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:15am

re: #344 Naso Tang

Please, try to argue the points presented. Quips like that are silly.

No, those are real options if you dont like the rules of investing.

353 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:22am

re: #348 shala

That would be unfortunate for the hypothetical me, definitely, and for the good of the county. But the opposite scenario could just as easily happen.

And thats why there should be no free speech limits!

354 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:45am

out for now .... thanks all!

355 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:56am

re: #322 shala

I'm not so sure the founders had political funding in mind when they crafted the First Amendment. Corporate personhood definitely wasn't around back then, anyway.

You should read you some James Madison.

356 gymmom  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:45:50am

re: #355 cliffster

You should read you some James Madison.

Or Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.

357 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:01am

re: #340 cliffster

Who thinks it's a good idea to have legislators decide which Americans get to influence elections and which ones don't? Raise your hands!

I respectfully suggest that the management of public corporations were not elected to represent the political views of the shareholders that they work for, and that there is no mechanism to reflect the positions of shareholders in that regard.

To say that one can bug out and not invest blurs the line between capitalism and politics to the point where it becomes meaningless.

What's next, monopolies are unconstitutional?

358 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:05am

re: #225 darthstar

Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.

Thanks, SCOTUS.

You do realize that the New York Times Corporation is a corporation right? They're even listed on the NYSE. They get to use their corporate entities to further their own political agenda via their newspaper, but their corporation can spend their money as they see fit on whatever politics they see fit.

And President Obama got $740.6 million from a broad spectrum of people, including many on Wall Street who preferred him to McCain. Funny to see how that worked out.

Ilya Somin has a good take on why restrictions on corporate speech actually reduce political equality - it magnifies the problems elsewhere in the political sphere. Eugene Volokh also weighs in on the notion of free speech in relation to corporations;

But they do show that “liberty of the press” was seen as a right to publish to the world at large using the technology of the “press” (including by using others’ presses, whether for pay or because they liked what you wrote), not as a right that belonged to members a particular industry. The institutional media and other people are on par for purposes of “the freedom of speech, or of the press.” The constitutional protections offered to the institutional media are no greater than those offered to others. And thus if ordinary business corporations lack First Amendment rights, so do those business corporations that we call media corporations.
359 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:13am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, this is odd.

Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.

A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.

Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.

And to add insult to injury, Cato will inform you that it's "toothbrush", for Christ's sake.

360 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:17am

re: #353 Sattv4u2

And thats why there should be no free speech limits!

LOL, careful Satt, with reasoning like that, they may smoke a few gaskets.

361 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:47:36am

re: #345 CapeCoddah

well, since they are all dead, and we have only the Constitution they left behind...
Do you think there were no such things as business and political support back then?
They knew what they were doing, and gave the government all the power they wanted it to have, for the good of all.

They certainly knew what they were doing at the time. I just think there are situations today they couldn't have possibly foreseen. I only happen to disagree with the SCOTUS interpretation, not that my opinion amounts to much.

Dont like it? There are plenty of places you can go on-planet that should fit your bill. We are still free here.

Like it or leave it, huh? I'd rather stick around and work toward making it better--more fun that way. ;)

362 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:48:11am

Good morning all. I am back from visiting the cutest granbaby evah.....mine :)

Finally. /

363 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #346 CapeCoddah

No, because they are wrong.

I notice that so far you have not attempted to make any argument to counter mine.

364 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:49:09am

re: #359 ryannon

And to add insult to injury, Cato will inform you that it's "toothbrush", for Christ's sake.

There's a West Virginia joke about that.

365 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:28am

re: #159 ggt

Hey Lizards!

Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!

How are you-all?

Your post brought back some very lovely memories. Thank you.

366 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:33am

re: #359 ryannon

And to add insult to injury, Cato will inform you that it's "toothbrush", for Christ's sake.

Bubba Jones from Alabama invented the "tooth brush", otherwise, it would have been called the "teeth brush"

367 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:40am

re: #298 _RememberTonyC

big wifey b'day ... she is huge tennis fan ... wanna see Wimbledon and the country ... hope to spend a week or so there.

Terrific! so happy for you both-- some generic info:

If you're in London proper, Mad-Al Jaffee is absolutely right. Driving on the other side of the road isn't difficult, but it will take you surprisingly long to look in the right direction when crossing streets. And that is really important, because people in London drive like people in NYC, or LA, or Boston do. You could get killed. I still wander into streets and cross randomly.

the good news is that unlike the US, the UK has extremely safe traffic crossings. Wait for the pedestrian lights and cross with them.

Take the Tube when you're in London proper.
renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.

Money: Talk to your bank, and also your credit card companies. As stupid as it is, and unsafe, for a short trip like that you may well want to bring travelers checks, because using a bank card to withdraw money (your US bank card, drawing on a US acct) can carry many hidden fees. Also you won't get the best exchange rate.
Whatever you do, do NOT bring US cash and then change it especially at airport locations or similar. The exchange rate they'll give you and the extra fees they'll tack on make it terrible.

Also, the UK and has now implemented a separate security measure for bank cards. There's now an electronic chip imbedded in the side of most credit cards and debit cards in the UK. you know how we swipe our credit cards or debit cards for payment in the US? The magnetic strip?-- you can't do that any more in the UK. You dip the end of the card into a reader that 'reads' the chip instead.
If you have a US card, some retailers won't take it, and nearly all now have to call the manager, key in your credit card manually, and they'll ask you for other ID. Make sure you have your US driver's license-- the passport won't be sufficient. (They'll want to check your signature as well as your photo) and that isn't on the passport in an official way.

Tipping is very different in the Uk, for example, you don't have to tip in pubs or bars-- google and get a reliable guide on that.

These are the major areas I'm thinking of; I definitely have lots more info for you if you like, especially when you figure out exactly where you'll be going, and I can give you info on cheap flights, hotels, and where to eat as well.
Hope this helps!

368 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:44am

re: #355 cliffster

You should read you some James Madison.

re: #356 gymmom

Or Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell.

I will, thanks for the suggestions.

369 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:51:11am

re: #357 Naso Tang

I respectfully suggest that the management of public corporations were not elected to represent the political views of the shareholders that they work for, and that there is no mechanism to reflect the positions of shareholders in that regard.

To say that one can bug out and not invest blurs the line between capitalism and politics to the point where it becomes meaningless.

What's next, monopolies are unconstitutional?

They also have free speech rights. Open a savings account. No more problem for you.

370 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:51:18am

re: #364 Mad Al-Jaffee
I am a sucker for cheap humor.

371 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:51:20am

re: #349 Blueheron

Do you think it's the death of Obamacare that is causing the sell off?

No, it's corporate profits not being near where the expectations were, China and some other countries making statements about US debt and which currencies they preferred, and other factors. Obama's statements are down on the list.

372 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:52:38am

re: #357 Naso Tang

I respectfully suggest that the management of public corporations were not elected to represent the political views of the shareholders that they work for, and that there is no mechanism to reflect the positions of shareholders in that regard.

That's not really a problem for legislators to solve. You could easily apply the same concept for any decision made by management.


What's next, monopolies are unconstitutional?

I don't see how this applies, but didn't think real hard about it

373 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:53:58am

re: #362 Blueheron

Hello! Enjoying some peace and quiet?

374 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:54:45am

re: #367 iceweasel

You forgot to mention to be careful of where you're taking pictures. They seem to be a little jumpy lately about people with cameras.

375 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:55:24am

re: #367 iceweasel

My father has been living in Vienna since the mid 90s. He always tells me when I visit that I should use my Visa debit card to get Euros since Visa has the best rates. But I haven't visited him in a few years, so that may have changed.

376 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:55:39am

re: #367 iceweasel

Terrific! so happy for you both-- some generic info:

If you're in London proper, Mad-Al Jaffee is absolutely right. Driving on the other side of the road isn't difficult, but it will take you surprisingly long to look in the right direction when crossing streets. And that is really important, because people in London drive like people in NYC, or LA, or Boston do. You could get killed. I still wander into streets and cross randomly.

the good news is that unlike the US, the UK has extremely safe traffic crossings. Wait for the pedestrian lights and cross with them.

Take the Tube when you're in London proper.
renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.

Money: Talk to your bank, and also your credit card companies. As stupid as it is, and unsafe, for a short trip like that you may well want to bring travelers checks, because using a bank card to withdraw money (your US bank card, drawing on a US acct) can carry many hidden fees. Also you won't get the best exchange rate.
Whatever you do, do NOT bring US cash and then change it especially at airport locations or similar. The exchange rate they'll give you and the extra fees they'll tack on make it terrible.

Also, the UK and has now implemented a separate security measure for bank cards. There's now an electronic chip imbedded in the side of most credit cards and debit cards in the UK. you know how we swipe our credit cards or debit cards for payment in the US? The magnetic strip?-- you can't do that any more in the UK. You dip the end of the card into a reader that 'reads' the chip instead.
If you have a US card, some retailers won't take it, and nearly all now have to call the manager, key in your credit card manually, and they'll ask you for other ID. Make sure you have your US driver's license-- the passport won't be sufficient. (They'll want to check your signature as well as your photo) and that isn't on the passport in an official way.

Tipping is very different in the Uk, for example, you don't have to tip in pubs or bars-- google and get a reliable guide on that.

These are the major areas I'm thinking of; I definitely have lots more info for you if you like, especially when you figure out exactly where you'll be going, and I can give you info on cheap flights, hotels, and where to eat as well.
Hope this helps!


I had a terrible time with travelers checks Weasel. The clueless c;erks didn't know what to do with them. My friends took me to banks to cash them.
I love GB and wouldn't mind living there. Great place.

377 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:55:49am

re: #361 shala

They certainly knew what they were doing at the time. I just think there are situations today they couldn't have possibly foreseen. I only happen to disagree with the SCOTUS interpretation, not that my opinion amounts to much.

You and 300 million other Americans, kid.

378 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:56:27am

re: #202 RogueOne

Awhile back we were having a conversation and there were people skeptical that the gov't would deal in illegal substances and put them out on the street just to catch "bad guys". This story isn't about drugs, but they did put 250 million illegal cig's out there to catch smugglers:

[Link: www.thenewstribune.com...]

If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.

And your lungs are the principal victims. I changed to cigars a few years back and it worked like a charm: one a week, maximum, and no craving for cigarettes. But it has to be a big, really good stogie.

As for the terrorist thing, I've noticed that whenever some agency or industry has a reason to do a smackdown on whatever illicit activity, they find a terrorist connection to it. It's a great justification. I'm sure there are people on this very forum who would insist that pineapple chunks on pizzas is somehow supportive of terrorism. Just wait and see...

379 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:56:40am

Another thing about London (and the UK in genral) - if you like Indian food, you will eat well. Very well.

380 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:03am

re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar

Should I shout Allah Akbar as I light my Pall Mall?
/

In bed.

381 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:13am

Visa travels everywhere!

382 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:32am

re: #367 iceweasel

Should have added-- ATMs will work for your cards in the UK no problem, (for now, that will change ina couple of years), but talk to your bank and your credit card co's and find out what you can specifically do to get the fees reduced and the exchange rate they'll give you changed in your favour.

383 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:37am

re: #379 Mad Al-Jaffee

Another thing about London (and the UK in genral) - if you like Indian food, you will eat well. Very well.

Yes, yes indeed.

At the time I went to Ireland, I did not have any trouble whatsoever with my US credit cards. Things may have changed, as that was about 2 years ago.

384 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:40am

re: #371 lawhawk

No, it's corporate profits not being near where the expectations were, China and some other countries making statements about US debt and which currencies they preferred, and other factors. Obama's statements are down on the list.

We are headed for the 'second dip' :/

385 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:49am

re: #361 shala

They knew life would change. They were brilliant men, not cavemen. They enumerated the Federal Government with a very limited set of powers for a damned good reason. Left most decisions up to the state, and left people free. You are not required to invest anywhere, and with your lack of knowledge about such simple things as free speech, maybe you should not risk your money.
Corporations have the right, and in fact an obligation to those employees and investors to look out for the best interests of the company and do as well as they can. You don't agree, don't invest. Simple.

386 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:00am

re: #209 Mad Al-Jaffee

That reminds me - yesterday was Leadbelly's birthday.

Do you have any videos of two cats fucking?

387 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:23am

re: #369 CapeCoddah

They also have free speech rights. Open a savings account. No more problem for you.

You have already made that quip. You seem to think that capitalism should be based on the the politics of corporate management as much as anything else, but if so then there should be mechanisms in place to allow shareholders to vote on the corporate politics as well. Seems to me that is what we vote on legislators for.

So far the only thing you have shown is that you have little to say beyond quips about Civics 101 or bug off, not to mention being a serial down dinger. I can read your comments, the dinging is a cheap substitute for words; but we all have our different styles I suppose..

388 jaunte  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:27am

re: #230 _RememberTonyC

Is there anyone here who knows London?

Veeraswamy's is worth a visit.
[Link: www.veeraswamy.com...]

389 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:44am

re: #378 ryannon

....whenever some agency or industry has a reason to do a smackdown on whatever illicit activity, they find a terrorist connection to it. It's a great justification. I'm sure there are people on this very forum who would insist that pineapple chunks on pizzas is somehow supportive of terrorism. Just wait and see...

If you'll put pineapple on pizza, you'll strap on a bomb-belt.

390 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:52am

re: #362 Blueheron

Congrats, but I dispute that cutest thing... mine!/

391 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:59:48am

re: #390 CapeCoddah

Congrats, but I dispute that cutest thing... mine!/

I'm not sure we need to hear how cute your "thing" is !!

//

392 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:00am

re: #373 prairiefire

Hello! Enjoying some peace and quiet?

Pffft understatement that....my son and his wife were exhausted from being up all night with the baby...Grandma stayed in a motel....
Heh :)))

393 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:10am

re: #386 ryannon

Do you have any videos of two cats fucking?

No, but if Avatar was rated R and had a scene like that I might have ejoyed it more.

394 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:13am

re: #363 Naso Tang

Already did, several times. Repeating one self is a waste of time.
You don't want to hear the answer because you don't like it.

395 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:52am

Sully's plane is up for sale. The Airbus A320 that Capt. Sullenberger safely landed on the Hudson River with no loss of life is being sold at auction.

396 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:58am

re: #376 Blueheron

I had a terrible time with travelers checks Weasel. The clueless c;erks didn't know what to do with them. My friends took me to banks to cash them.
I love GB and wouldn't mind living there. Great place.

You'll have to change them at a bank, not at a shop. You need to talk to your bank to find out the best way to go. As much as a hassle (and unsafe) as it is, to get the best exchange rate you might need to bring over traveler's checks and then change them at banks.re: #375 Mad Al-Jaffee

My father has been living in Vienna since the mid 90s. He always tells me when I visit that I should use my Visa debit card to get Euros since Visa has the best rates. But I haven't visited him in a few years, so that may have changed.

It has changed. A few years ago I'd have said take the Visa debit card and no worries. That isn't true any more. Not since 2008.

397 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:01:33am

re: #392 Blueheron

Motel!! You are a smart bird.

398 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:02:42am

All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?

399 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:06am

re: #393 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, but if Avatar was rated R and had a scene like that I might have ejoyed it more.

Larry Flynt has your back:
Hustler to Make "Avatar" Porn Movie
[Link: www.worstpreviews.com...]

400 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:07am

re: #398 cliffster

All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?

See WEASEL// ICE!

401 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:18am

re: #386 ryannon

Do you have any videos of two cats fucking?

Why yes, yes I do!

re: #398 cliffster

Yup!

402 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:23am

re: #396 iceweasel

It has changed. A few years ago I'd have said take the Visa debit card and no worries. That isn't true any more. Not since 2008.

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind the next time I go to Europe.

403 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:24am

re: #398 cliffster

All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?

Kitty porn.

404 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:04:15am

re: #263 Sattv4u2

Not to mention funding 401K and retirment plans

Stop it! You're making miss ENRON.

405 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:04:40am

re: #394 CapeCoddah

Already did, several times. Repeating one self is a waste of time.
You don't want to hear the answer because you don't like it.

Sorry, but you gave no answer addressing my points.

406 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:05:02am

re: #387 Naso Tang

You have already made that quip. You seem to think that capitalism should be based on the the politics of corporate management as much as anything else, but if so then there should be mechanisms in place to allow shareholders to vote on the corporate politics as well. Seems to me that is what we vote on legislators for.

So far the only thing you have shown is that you have little to say beyond quips about Civics 101 or bug off, not to mention being a serial down dinger. I can read your comments, the dinging is a cheap substitute for words; but we all have our different styles I suppose..

Grownups whining sucks.

407 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:05:31am

re: #398 cliffster

All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?

The Fucking Felines would be an awesome band name.

408 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:05:31am

re: #404 ryannon

Stop it! You're making miss ENRON.

Ah yes ,,, one corporation out of, what ,, several hundred thousand?

(and yes, I realize there were several, but a very small percentage of ALL)

409 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:03am

re: #406 CapeCoddah

Grownups whining sucks.

Another quip.

410 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:07am

re: #391 Sattv4u2

LOL, smartass!

411 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:24am

re: #409 Naso Tang

Another quip.

Pot, meet kettle.

412 jaunte  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:30am

re: #367 iceweasel


renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.


Having done this, I can recommend having another person in the car to scream "LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!" in your ear as you make a turn.

413 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:31am

re: #402 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind the next time I go to Europe.

if I'm over for a weekend, or a short period, I use the Visa debit card. But it's harder and harder to use a US one in shops, for the reason I gave (the new chip), and the exchange rate and fees can screw you.
It's a tradeoff between security, convenience, and money.

If you're over for a short period I would still say just use the Visa debit card, but depending on a person's financial situation, you may well want to look at other options.

414 shala  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:40am

re: #385 CapeCoddah

You are not required to invest anywhere, and with your lack of knowledge about such simple things as free speech, maybe you should not risk your money.

Hey now, we're having a civil discussion, aren't we? I don't see where I deserve to be insulted.

Corporations have the right, and in fact an obligation to those employees and investors to look out for the best interests of the company and do as well as they can. You don't agree, don't invest. Simple.

Of course they do, and a corporation acting in its own best interest is neither good nor evil, simply doing what it's supposed to. I've got no beef with that. What I feel leery about is one corporation, aka one "person" having an outsize impact on any politician. If a pol gets most of their money from one corporation, it's very likely they'll be beholden and act in that corporation's interests above and beyond the interests of their other constituents. Campaign funding in the first place makes me queasy--I don't like large individual donations, either. Everyone should have free speech, but why should some people/persons have MORE speech because they have more money?

415 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:07:24am

re: #390 CapeCoddah

Congrats, but I dispute that cutest thing... mine!/

Ah gee I have waited sooo long and have had to endure so many granbaby stories....let me be a bore just this once. Ok :)

416 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:07:26am

re: #412 jaunte

Having done this, I can recommend having another person in the car to scream "LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!" in your ear as you make a turn.

yes! especially when making a turn, leaving a roundabout, etc.

417 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:00am

re: #413 iceweasel

if I'm over for a weekend, or a short period, I use the Visa debit card. But it's harder and harder to use a US one in shops, for the reason I gave (the new chip), and the exchange rate and fees can screw you.
It's a tradeoff between security, convenience, and money.

If you're over for a short period I would still say just use the Visa debit card, but depending on a person's financial situation, you may well want to look at other options.

One thing I did when I traveled was took a fairly big wadge of US cash and exchange it at the airport. Having euros in hand helped out in a lot of places, and I'm generally not a guy to carry cash around, at least not here in the States.

418 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:07am

Well, there it is then. Two cats getting it on missionary style. Happy Friday to cliffster.

419 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:19am

re: #391 Sattv4u2

I'm not sure we need to hear how cute your "thing" is !!

//


Good for you Satty! LOLOL

420 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:47am

re: #411 thedopefishlives

Pot, meet kettle.

Do you have something to say on the argument at hand?

421 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:09:16am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

I still have some Euros from my last trip. Not a whole lot, but enough for some spending money the next time I'm there.

422 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:09:31am

re: #405 Naso Tang

It is simple. Corporations have a right to free speech, same as you. Period.
Scotus re-affirmed that.
You don't like it.
Sucks for you
There is simply nothing to argue.

423 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:09:39am

re: #413 iceweasel

And if you're traveling away from where you usually use the credit card (any of them), be sure to contact them so that they don't institute their fraud reduction systems and block/reject your card. It's good to give the credit card companies the heads' up and to also ask them about charges that might be incurred (conversion fees, convenience fees, etc., that might be expected). On our trips overseas, we've been sure to ask so we're not surprised when a card doesn't work.

424 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:10:58am

re: #423 lawhawk

I actually got freaked out when I got home, because I had called the bank to let them know I was on vacation overseas, but they still sent a suspicious activity notice in the mail. The card still worked, though.

425 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:12am

re: #287 RogueOne

Why you headed to london? Going to find your roots or business?

Medical tourism for the suicidal.

426 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:17am

re: #418 cliffster

Oh man. As soon as one of them wins a cat beauty show, some jerk supporting a losing cat will show this video to the show judges and get the video cat disqualified.

Just like Miss California!
J/K!!!

427 albusteve  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:29am

Phony populism aside, yesterday Mr. Obama introduced his first serious idea into the debate on reforming the financial system. In calling for an end to proprietary trading at firms with a federal safety net, the President showed that he now understands an important principle: Risk-taking in the capital markets is incompatible with a taxpayer guarantee


light at the end of the tunnel?

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

428 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:42am

re: #305 publicityStunted

One of my favorite presidents of all times. Kudos. Favorited.

429 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:57am

re: #395 lawhawk

Sully's plane is up for sale. The Airbus A320 that Capt. Sullenberger safely landed on the Hudson River with no loss of life is being sold at auction.

Does anyone have a front lawn large enough for it?

430 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:12:23am

re: #416 iceweasel

yes! especially when making a turn, leaving a roundabout, etc.

They started putting in round-a-bouts in my neck of the woods, which was a mistake, just confuses the hell out of hoosiers.

431 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:12:48am

re: #414 shala

Of course they do, and a corporation acting in its own best interest is neither good nor evil, simply doing what it's supposed to. I've got no beef with that. What I feel leery about is one corporation, aka one "person" having an outsize impact on any politician. If a pol gets most of their money from one corporation, it's very likely they'll be beholden and act in that corporation's interests above and beyond the interests of their other constituents. Campaign funding in the first place makes me queasy--I don't like large individual donations, either. Everyone should have free speech, but why should some people/persons have MORE speech because they have more money?

Then don't vote for them.
Vote them out.
See how simple it is?
Martha Coakley went to DC one week ago today.
Picked up bagfuls of cash from insurance companies and pharma companies. She lost. That was part of it.
People were pissed.
See how that works?

432 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:13:02am

re: #429 Blueheron

Does anyone have a front lawn large enough for it?

It'll fit in my backyard. That would rule!!

433 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:13:09am

re: #430 RogueOne

They started putting in round-a-bouts in my neck of the woods, which was a mistake, just confuses the hell out of hoosiers.

Ah yes, I noticed all the lovely road construction last time I was back in fish country. I didn't like roundabouts when I was in Ireland, and I'm not about to start now.

434 Sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:14:25am

re: #416 iceweasel

re: #430 RogueOne

They started putting in round-a-bouts in my neck of the woods, which was a mistake, just confuses the hell out of hoosiers.

I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries

Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them

435 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:15:12am

Bosses wife just called... huge spring clothing shipment being dropped off as we speak, they need my hands.
BBL, folks, have a nice day

436 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:15:41am

re: #433 thedopefishlives

Ah yes, I noticed all the lovely road construction last time I was back in fish country. I didn't like roundabouts when I was in Ireland, and I'm not about to start now.

Fish country! Where is it! I want to go there!

437 albusteve  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:15:42am

re: #416 iceweasel

yes! especially when making a turn, leaving a roundabout, etc.

Jamaica is a nightmare...if you don't get it figured out immediately, you have no business renting a car and are definitely at risk....roundabouts at high speed are no joke, and you better look right...

438 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:01am

re: #423 lawhawk

And if you're traveling away from where you usually use the credit card (any of them), be sure to contact them so that they don't institute their fraud reduction systems and block/reject your card. It's good to give the credit card companies the heads' up and to also ask them about charges that might be incurred (conversion fees, convenience fees, etc., that might be expected). On our trips overseas, we've been sure to ask so we're not surprised when a card doesn't work.

Exactly-- excellent advice. Very true. That's why I said the first thing to do is talk to your bank and your CC companies.
there are tons and tons of 'hidden fees' that you'll incur, also even if you contact them in advance one of your cards may well be cut off for fraud prevention purposes-- so it's a good idea to bring all the contact numbers for those companies (bearing in mind that a US 800 number doesn't work when dialed from within the UK, so make sure you have the info with you when you leave about who to contact)

Also, as I mentioned, there's this new chip now in UK cards that US cards don't have. If you're in a shop or supermarket or the like, the clerks are usually unaware of all this and will keep pushing the top of your card into the new readers, (not swiping the magnetic strip) no matter that you tell them upfront: this is a US card, no US cards have that chip, you have to key the number in manually.

439 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:06am

re: #420 Naso Tang

Do you have something to say on the argument at hand?

Naso I think it boils down to the idea that the government should not be in the business of who can say what, ever. Throw in the fact that it is a pretty disturbing conflict of interest to have elected officials getting to decide who gets to influence future elections. Then it's pretty easy to see why what seemed like a good idea (campaign finance laws) is actually a bad deal.

440 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:11am

re: #436 filetandrelease

Fish country! Where is it! I want to go there!

*chuckle* My family's stomping grounds, ironically enough, are right on one of the local waterways. My mother's father was a fisherman without parallel. Wish I could say it got handed down, but I've only recently acquired the ability to hook anything beyond a simple bluegill.

441 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:20am

re: #434 Sattv4u2

re: #430 RogueOne

I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries

Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them

Downtown indy is one big round-a-bout, it's been that way for well over 100 years. You would think people around here would get it but they didn't. For weeks people would come up on them and just stop like they didn't have a clue wtf they were supposed to do.

442 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:26am

re: #415 Blueheron

Double congrats, they are a thousand times more fun that you could have ever imagined. You have a great time in front of you.
Enjoy every second!

443 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:06am

re: #414 shala

Of course they do, and a corporation acting in its own best interest is neither good nor evil, simply doing what it's supposed to. I've got no beef with that. What I feel leery about is one corporation, aka one "person" having an outsize impact on any politician. If a pol gets most of their money from one corporation, it's very likely they'll be beholden and act in that corporation's interests above and beyond the interests of their other constituents. Campaign funding in the first place makes me queasy--I don't like large individual donations, either. Everyone should have free speech, but why should some people/persons have MORE speech because they have more money?

Says a lot about the politicians doesn't it? If I recall correctly the concept was that they are elected to represent the interests of a particular area of the country (district, state, etc.) If their vote is instead used to represent the interests of those that contributed the most to their campaign, then they really are not doing what they are expected to do. (Aside from the "what is good for U S Steel is good for the United States" view...)

444 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:25am

re: #314 cliffster

Obama raised $1,500,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 for his campaign. And no one can really say where most of it came from. That's WAY better than the people who actually drive the economy trying to influence the politics...?

It came from the Juice Bankers, Soros and The Illuminati, you silly goose.

445 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:35am

re: #439 cliffster

Do you think that regulation of the airwaves and other methods of public communication is necessary?

446 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:54am

re: #422 CapeCoddah

It is simple. Corporations have a right to free speech, same as you. Period.
Scotus re-affirmed that.
You don't like it.
Sucks for you
There is simply nothing to argue.

I don't understand your disconnect. What do you think a corporation is?

Last time I looked free speech referred to INDIVIDUALS.

If individuals collectively decide to speak as one, they can form a political party or other political organization, say have a tea party and decide their position.

Tell me where you think that fits with the rights of top management in a publicly owned corporation making politically based spending decisions on behalf of the shareholders, without any mechanism for shareholder voting beyond saying (as you do); "if you don't like it, bug out"?

My perspective of capitalism rests on things like market demands and good business management. I should have the right to invest on that basis without also taking some perverted version of socialist politics of the business into account.

447 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:19:19am

re: #434 Sattv4u2

re: #430 RogueOne

I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries

Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them

They're weird enough for many US people who aren't used to them-- so imagine driving through one and having to remember to exit on the 'wrong' side of the road, WHILE shifting with the other hand.
That's why I say, rent an automatic if possible. Sounds silly, but it helps a lot in those circcumstances.

448 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:20:02am

re: #431 CapeCoddah

Then don't vote for them.
Vote them out.
See how simple it is?
Martha Coakley went to DC one week ago today.
Picked up bagfuls of cash from insurance companies and pharma companies. She lost. That was part of it.
People were pissed.
See how that works?

You don't know how it works, is becoming apparent.

449 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:20:40am

re: #445 Obdicut

Do you think that regulation of the airwaves and other methods of public communication is necessary?

Apples and Oranges. Public airwaves are owned by the public and leased to users.

450 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:20:42am

re: #421 Mad Al-Jaffee

They should still be going strong. It's amazing to me how socialist Europe has such a strong economy!/

451 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:22:00am

re: #447 iceweasel

They're weird enough for many US people who aren't used to them-- so imagine driving through one and having to remember to exit on the 'wrong' side of the road, WHILE shifting with the other hand.
That's why I say, rent an automatic if possible. Sounds silly, but it helps a lot in those circcumstances.

One thing I highly recommend - if you're renting, get yourself a GPS and make sure it's loaded with a European map pack. I got lost in downtown Dublin for about 3 hours because one of the stupid side streets I was trying to find from the map wasn't marked on the intersection.

452 albusteve  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:23:22am

re: #447 iceweasel

They're weird enough for many US people who aren't used to them-- so imagine driving through one and having to remember to exit on the 'wrong' side of the road, WHILE shifting with the other hand.
That's why I say, rent an automatic if possible. Sounds silly, but it helps a lot in those circcumstances.

good advice...I love the opposite driving thing tho...makes me feel like James Bond...man, you gotta be on your toes

453 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:24:04am

re: #449 RogueOne

Yes. Why are they owned by the public, though? If I want to speak via radio, why should the government be able to prevent me from doing so?

454 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:24:23am

re: #447 iceweasel

Rotaries (round-abouts) are pretty easy to deal with as long as everyone knows what to do. (Which is true about most traffic regulations.) I deal with them in New Jersey all the time, but there always seems to be someone who panics when one appears.

Last time I was in England it was a non-issue. Was basically touristing and used a railpass and took trains everywhere. Within a city it was taxi, bus, or the Tube (when in London) if we didn't just walk.

My US bank card worked in ATMs there, but it sounds like that might no longer be the case.

455 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:24:30am

re: #437 albusteve

Jamaica is a nightmare...if you don't get it figured out immediately, you have no business renting a car and are definitely at risk...roundabouts at high speed are no joke, and you better look right...

I haven't yet been to Jamaica-- when I do go I'll ask you where to go and eat and what to see.
My first experiences with driving on the 'wrong' side of the road were all in the Caribbean though, and it was pretty scary often, coming off a roundabout, even though those were really low speed and not very busy--especially with random pedestrians and people on bikes around.
I would never rent a car in Jamaica, I don't think. For the reasons you gave.

456 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:25:48am

re: #455 iceweasel

The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.

457 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:01am

re: #412 jaunte

Having done this, I can recommend having another person in the car to scream "LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!" in your ear as you make a turn.

I really laughed at that.
My friend had a lead foot and she would barrel down the hedge rows in the country at bloody nose speeds.
I asked her what would she do if a cow stepped out into a roadway. She gave me a blank stare.
I suppose GB cows are better trained than those in the good old USA.

458 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:01am

re: #450 prairiefire

They should still be going strong. It's amazing to me how socialist Europe has such a strong economy!/

Soviet Canuckistan isn't doing so badly either ;)

459 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:36am

re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee

The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.

Ah, that's not strictly true. Most such countries do, in fact, abide by one traffic law - the biggest vehicle has the right of way.

460 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:42am

re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee

The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.

I've never yet been to either! I'm so jealous! I would love to go to each.

461 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:27:25am

re: #460 iceweasel

I've never yet been to either! I'm so jealous! I would love to go to each.

I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.

Thailand is amazing.

462 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:28:22am

Birthday cupcakes to school~~BBL

463 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:29:36am

re: #453 Obdicut

Yes. Why are they owned by the public, though? If I want to speak via radio, why should the government be able to prevent me from doing so?

I think the best reply you're going to get is that you are being restricted in the public interest. I think you can take two routes towards this:
1. If publically owned wavelengths seems odd, isn't the concept of a privately owned wavelength even odder? Claimed by something equivalent to copyright? And if this was the case I expect the regulation/enforcement on this area would be a total mess.

2. Assuming that the wavelengths are public domain, why the restrictions on which ones you are allowed to use? Same concept as traffic laws, restrictions and rules are in place to facilitate effective and safe use by all parties. Some wavelengths are restricted to allow their use by emergency organizations only. Some are rented out so that a company can broadcast their signal without interference.

464 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:29:50am

re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thailand is practically hallucinogenic. I had so many incredibly trippy experiences while I was there.

One of the least insane: I saw a tree being cut down, and when it hit the forest floor, it pretty much exploded into snakes. It must have been rotted out or something and somehow became a perfect snake-home. They all shot off immediately. It was like they had been created from the felling of the tree.

465 gregb  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:29:59am

Quote of the day:

“The administration has got to be in the forefront now, instead of throwing some meat on the track and seeing what the House can work out,” said New Jersey Rep. Bill Pascrell


If you throw meat on the track in California, all you get is dead coyotes and mountain lions.

466 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:30:01am

re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.

Thailand is amazing.

I had never been outside of the US until my honeymoon. When I was in college, I met all sorts of missionary kids from different countries - my roommate was an MK from Colombia, in fact. It put the travel bug in me REAL bad. I'm hoping that I can get out and see some of the world before I start having kids and get leg-shackled to the house.

467 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:30:24am

re: #453 Obdicut

Yes. Why are they owned by the public, though? If I want to speak via radio, why should the government be able to prevent me from doing so?

A. There are technical issues at stake. There are only so many frequencies available.

B. If you want to pay for airtime on a station that has a license to broadcast then you're free to do so.

Should you be denied the right to buy airtime just because you belong to a group?

468 gregb  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:30:57am

And speaking of California, there's nothing more fun that driving a 7,000 pound car through 3 feet of gutter water for blocks at a time with your kids giggling their asses off in the back seat. :-)

469 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:31:27am

re: #367 iceweasel

renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.

Or you could use the Cato Method:

Go stay in Devon with your friend. The second morning, he tosses you the keys to his second-best ride - with stick shift - and asks you to drive down to the train station and pick up his friend, a hot London actress, and her two dogs and take her to the party he's leaving for in the other car. Have him draw you a map because you have no idea how to get to the station or the party. Be sure to tell Dame Hottie when you've got her in the car that this is your very first time driving on the left. Enjoy the glow of light perspiration that appears on her lovely face as you tear down sunken roads so narrow that is doesn't really matter which side you drive on. Because once you get her to the party, she's never going to talk to you again.

470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:31:32am

re: #468 gregb

At least it drove. What happens if the car stalls in said three feet of water?

471 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:31:53am

re: #464 Obdicut

When I was there I also went to Phuket. It was two months after the tsunami and they were still rebuilding. Still a great place, with lots of nightlife, great food, beach right across from the street from the hotel, etc.

472 albusteve  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:32:00am

re: #455 iceweasel

I haven't yet been to Jamaica-- when I do go I'll ask you where to go and eat and what to see.
My first experiences with driving on the 'wrong' side of the road were all in the Caribbean though, and it was pretty scary often, coming off a roundabout, even though those were really low speed and not very busy--especially with random pedestrians and people on bikes around.
I would never rent a car in Jamaica, I don't think. For the reasons you gave.

sort of adds that 'life and death' element to your holiday...left side, roundabouts, fanatic drivers, pedestrians, goats everywhere...and roads so narrow they are barely fit for two little cars to pass...always a few adrenaline buzzes when I visit

473 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:32:26am

re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee

The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.

The trick to driving in these places is never make eye contact with the other driver. First one to look loses the right of way.

474 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:39am

re: #467 RogueOne


A. There are technical issues at stake. There are only so many frequencies available.

Yes. So, regulation of speech can be necessary to consider, when there's a public property, a public space involved, yes?

Should you be denied the right to buy airtime just because you belong to a group?

Any airtime being sold should definitely be available to all bidders, though I do not think a bidding system is actually the best economic use of the airwaves.

Should some airwaves be reserved for the exclusive use of some groups, and denied to the public?

475 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:41am

re: #466 thedopefishlives

I had never been outside of the US until my honeymoon. When I was in college, I met all sorts of missionary kids from different countries - my roommate was an MK from Colombia, in fact. It put the travel bug in me REAL bad. I'm hoping that I can get out and see some of the world before I start having kids and get leg-shackled to the house.

Do it while you can! And for at least the preent and immediate future, everyone loves us - you won't have to tell people you're from Canada!

/

476 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:54am

Cloward Piven goes public.....

Government Data Released Online As Part Of Obama Initiative

The Obama administration on Friday is posting to the Internet a wealth of government data from all Cabinet-level departments, on topics ranging from child car seats to Medicare services.

The mountain of newly available information comes a year and a day after President Barack Obama promised on his first full day on the job an open, transparent government.

Under a Dec. 8 White House directive, each department must post online at least three collections of "high-value" government data that never have been previously disclosed.

477 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:55am

re: #470 oaktree

At least it drove. What happens if the car stalls in said three feet of water?

The kids stop giggling.

478 gregb  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:34:01am

re: #470 oaktree

At least it drove. What happens if the car stalls in said three feet of water?

Then you walk in the rain, stomping in puddles all the way, which is just as fun. :-)

479 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:34:55am

re: #442 CapeCoddah

Double congrats, they are a thousand times more fun that you could have ever imagined. You have a great time in front of you.
Enjoy every second!


Thank you :))

480 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:35:09am

re: #476 Killgore Trout

Let's hope that's just a start.

Transparency now.

481 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:35:10am

re: #473 Naso Tang

The trick to driving in these places is never make eye contact with the other driver. First one to look loses the right of way.

Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.

482 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:35:54am

re: #454 oaktree

Rotaries (round-abouts) are pretty easy to deal with as long as everyone knows what to do. (Which is true about most traffic regulations.) I deal with them in New Jersey all the time, but there always seems to be someone who panics when one appears.

Last time I was in England it was a non-issue. Was basically touristing and used a railpass and took trains everywhere. Within a city it was taxi, bus, or the Tube (when in London) if we didn't just walk.

My US bank card worked in ATMs there, but it sounds like that might no longer be the case.

The ATMs will still work, but the fees might be shit, and the exchange rate they'll give you, plus your debit card and credit cards might have problems in some shops now.

Well-- they WILL have problems, because they changed the technology and the US hasn't, but they'll be accepted eventually even if you have to get them to call the manager and produce other ID, and explain to them that US cards don't have the chip that UK cards do now. I haven't ever had mine rejected, but it's pretty damn common now to go through that rigamarole. Not in a hotel or restaurant or pub, but elsewhere.
UK has excellent public transport; I highly recommend using it whenever possible.

483 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:36:03am

re: #478 gregb

Where was the car's floor level in relation to the water level outside?

484 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:36:08am

re: #473 Naso Tang

The trick to driving in these places is never make eye contact with the other driver. First one to look loses the right of way.

I have never actually driven in any of my travels abroad. Except a little bit in Australia, and that was just my friend there trying to teach me how to drive a stick shift out in the middle of nowhere.

485 gregb  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:37:29am

re: #481 Cato the Elder

Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.

You guys have never driven in Tijuana.

No traffic rules and the most expensive car loses--no matter what eye contact goes on.

486 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:37:39am

re: #474 Obdicut

Yes. So, regulation of speech can be necessary to consider, when there's a public property, a public space involved, yes?

No, that isn't regulation of speech it's regulation of the airwaves.

Should some airwaves be reserved for the exclusive use of some groups, and denied to the public?

That isn't something I would necessarily agree with but if the voters around me decided to keep a portion of the available frequencies open to public instead of renting them out to corporations then I can be out voted. It still wouldn't be denying anyones right of free speech.

487 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:38:32am

re: #481 Cato the Elder

Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.

Also helps to drive a less expensive car than the other guy.

488 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:38:55am

re: #475 Mad Al-Jaffee

Do it while you can! And for at least the preent and immediate future, everyone loves us - you won't have to tell people you're from Canada!

/

I never told anyone I was anything but what I am - a representative of the evil Republic. They dealt with it in various ways. A stony glance and a reference to CIA black sites was usually enough to shut up the really dumb ones.

489 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:02am

re: #480 Obdicut

The site that track stimulus spending has been up for a while now. I suppose it's a nice idea but it mostly just provides critics something to hyperventilate over. I don't know if it has actually produced anything positive yet.

490 brucee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:31am

Roeder Murder Trial Live through CNN

(Might need to open a new pop-up window, so allow this popup)

491 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:36am

re: #482 iceweasel

I don't think the exchange rate would be much worse than what the banks give you anyways walking in. IIRC, the exchange rate for the ATM was straight-up since the banks were getting processing fees. (That might well have changed.) I think I exchanged some money at the airport, and then got pounds from ATMs the rest of the trip. Which worked quite well since we were usually using B&Bs to stay in and most of them preferred cash, and many did not take credit at all.

492 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:57am

re: #481 Cato the Elder

Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.

Heck, this is the case in a lot of American cities. I run into it up here, and especially in Chicago - the biggest asshole gets the spot, because he cares less about banging up his car than everyone else around him. It's like playing chicken with a train.

493 albusteve  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:40:10am

901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park

the Plates are deciding what to do next

[Link: www.9news.com...]

494 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:40:32am

re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.

Thailand is amazing.

They're all on my list. Truth be told, I kind of want to travel to almost anywhere.
Those are in my top 5, though.

495 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:41:28am

I don't even like to drive when I go to other US cities. Try going to big cities in South America. Get in the cab, close your eyes, hope for the best.

496 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:41:38am

re: #493 albusteve

The Yellowstone caldera is mid-plate. I believe the current theory is that it is sitting on a hot spot / weak point.

497 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:17am

re: #494 iceweasel

My father goes to Thailand pretty much every January. Much nicer weather there than Vienna. He also goes to the seaside in Croatia every summer. And usually Paris (or other parts of France) at least one a year. He has a pretty good life.

498 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:31am

re: #491 oaktree

I don't think the exchange rate would be much worse than what the banks give you anyways walking in. IIRC, the exchange rate for the ATM was straight-up since the banks were getting processing fees. (That might well have changed.) I think I exchanged some money at the airport, and then got pounds from ATMs the rest of the trip. Which worked quite well since we were usually using B&Bs to stay in and most of them preferred cash, and many did not take credit at all.

Yes-- but that has changed now. Lots of hidden fees. Depending on how long you go though, and where you're staying, it might still be the best bet.

Definitely worth it to talk to your bank and the CC co's beforehand to decide, imo.

499 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:34am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

The site that track stimulus spending has been up for a while now. I suppose it's a nice idea but it mostly just provides critics something to hyperventilate over. I don't know if it has actually produced anything positive yet.

Like ,, umm,, JOBS!!

500 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:34am

re: #493 albusteve

901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park

the Plates are deciding what to do next

[Link: www.9news.com...]


It's Bush and Cheney's fault!!!

501 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:52am

re: #487 Naso Tang

Also helps to drive a less expensive car than the other guy.

I have not found that to be true. The Lincoln Connie beats most other cars in the "scratch me, I'm expensive" department, but when driven with the attitude of Early Grayce in "Kalifornia", people get the fuck out of your way.

502 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:58am

re: #496 oaktree

The Yellowstone caldera is mid-plate. I believe the current theory is that it is sitting on a hot spot / weak point.

The plate has a hernia??

503 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:43:03am

re: #497 Mad Al-Jaffee

My father goes to Thailand pretty much every January. Much nicer weather there than Vienna. He also goes to the seaside in Croatia every summer. And usually Paris (or other parts of France) at least one a year. He has a pretty good life.

He sounds very interesting!

504 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:44:09am

re: #497 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #503 iceweasel

He sounds very interesting!

Sounds more like a guy on the lamb!!

//

505 gregb  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:44:40am

re: #488 Cato the Elder

I never told anyone I was anything but what I am - a representative of the evil Republic. They dealt with it in various ways. A stony glance and a reference to CIA black sites was usually enough to shut up the really dumb ones.

After college, a buddy of mine and I decided to take a 10,000 mile road trip through all of mainland Mexico and central America. We ended up in Palenque a year before the zapatista uprising in Chiapas. Two dumb Americans in an expensive jeep speaking in horrible accents driving through who-knows-where with tons of surfboards in the back.....they thought we were CIA all the way. Or at least drug dealers.

People's reactions are funny. To wit:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

506 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:44:56am

re: #334 Mad Al-Jaffee

I never inhaled.

I did

BTW, I'm back.

507 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:45:58am

re: #506 ggt

I did

BTW, I'm back.

You left!?!
/

508 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:46:57am

Test.

509 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:16am

re: #508 Ojoe

Test.

Sorry, broken. Try again later.

510 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:25am

re: #504 sattv4u2

re: #503 iceweasel

Sounds more like a guy on the lamb!!

//

No, he's not Scottish - just retired with enough pensions and investments to travel as much as he wants to.

511 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:34am

re: #508 Ojoe

Test.

icles!

512 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:57am

re: #504 sattv4u2

re: #503 iceweasel

Sounds more like a guy on the lamb!!

//

Do you feel sheepish having written that?

513 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:48:21am

re: #512 Cato the Elder

Do you feel sheepish having written that?

I feel very Baaaa-d

514 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:48:33am

re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.

Thailand is amazing.


I went on a dig in Israel. I will never forget it.
BTW they really have big black helicopters there.

515 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:49:08am

re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, he's not Scottish - just retired with enough pensions and investments to travel as much as he wants to.

heh-- wasn't going to make a 'lamb' joke, reckoned someone would for me. :-)

/it's the NZlanders and Aussies with sheep, dammit!

516 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:49:56am

re: #513 sattv4u2

I feel very Baaa-d

Is it time for me to shear sheep puns?

517 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:50:17am

re: #515 iceweasel

heh-- wasn't going to make a 'lamb' joke, reckoned someone would for me. :-)

/it's the NZlanders and Aussies with sheep, dammit!

But it's the Scots who invented the cliff method.

518 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:51:04am

re: #515 iceweasel

heh-- wasn't going to make a 'lamb' joke, reckoned someone would wool'd for me. :-)

519 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:51:19am

re: #434 Sattv4u2

re: #430 RogueOne

I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries

Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them

Is that the same thing as a traffic circle?
Traffic circles work really for keeping traffic moving IF people know what they're doing when the try to navigate them. Otherwise - fender bender city.

520 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:51:47am

re: #517 Cato the Elder

But it's the Scots who invented the cliff method.

Uhoh, Do I want to know what that is?
/tell me anyway.

521 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:52:27am

re: #519 reine.de.tout

Is that the same thing as a traffic circle?
Traffic circles work really for keeping traffic moving IF people know what they're doing when the try to navigate them. Otherwise - fender bender city.

Yes. Traffic circle, roundabout, rotary.

522 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:52:33am

re: #493 albusteve

901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park

the Plates are deciding what to do next

[Link: www.9news.com...]

I wonder if Yogi's pic-a-nic basket fell off the pic-a-nic table.

523 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:53:55am

re: #519 reine.de.tout

Is that the same thing as a traffic circle?
Traffic circles work really for keeping traffic moving IF people know what they're doing when the try to navigate them. Otherwise - fender bender city.

Yup
One in the same

524 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:53:56am

re: #520 iceweasel

Uhoh, Do I want to know what that is?
/tell me anyway.

Offline, someday, I will. NSFLGF.

525 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:54:35am

re: #520 iceweasel

Uhoh, Do I want to know what that is?
/tell me anyway.

Something about Cato and sheep makes me not want to hear anything more..

526 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:12am

re: #492 thedopefishlives

Heck, this is the case in a lot of American cities. I run into it up here, and especially in Chicago - the biggest asshole gets the spot, because he cares less about banging up his car than everyone else around him. It's like playing chicken with a train.

If you don't take your space, no one will give it to you. Chicago driving is like watching evolution on the road. Survival of the fittest.

527 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:17am

re: #525 cliffster

cue the standard "guy in a dog suit" response

528 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:23am

re: #525 cliffster

Something about Cato and sheep makes me not want to hear anything more..

All I can tell you is, given how good the stories he tells on LGF are, those who don't have access to the off-line Cato are missing a lot...

529 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:45am

re: #503 iceweasel

He sounds very interesting!

He is. He has something like 3 master's degrees, served a long time in the Navy and government, worked for the UN in Vienna a few years, and stayed there and got remarried when his contract was up. I've been to the UN building in Vienna quite a few times. They don't have a seat for Michael Jordan, like the one in NY does.

530 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:57am

re: #486 RogueOne

But airwaves are a medium of speech. What is the non-speech related part of me setting up a transmitter and broadcasting on a certain frequency?

That isn't something I would necessarily agree with but if the voters around me decided to keep a portion of the available frequencies open to public instead of renting them out to corporations then I can be out voted. It still wouldn't be denying anyones right of free speech.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean that certain bands of radio are restricted for the use of the government, for emergency services, military use, etc.

531 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:27am

re: #507 sattv4u2

You left!?!
/

I was front

:)

532 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:44am

I've got my iPhone hooked up, syncing and charging.

And I keep hearing "pings".
Is it - FB chat?
Is it yahoo chat?
Is it yahoo e-mail?
Is it regular e-mail?
Is it iPhone text?
Is it iPhone e-mail?

It's occurred to me there are so many ways to communicate that all have the a similar "ping" notification, confusion could cause us to completely fail to connect in any way

533 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:45am

re: #523 sattv4u2

Yup
One in the same

One and the same.

Roundabouts are the best way to keep traffic moving. I've never understood how people can have a problem with them. It's, like, if there's no one coming round the circle from the left (or right, if you're in Britland), you can go. As long as you're in the circle you have the right of way. Two simple rules.

Why do Americans feel safer with stop lights? This is the land of the free, dammit!

534 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:50am

re: #508 Ojoe

Test.


What do I win?

535 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:52am

re: #528 iceweasel

All I can tell you is, given how good the stories he tells on LGF are, those who don't have access to the off-line Cato are missing a lot...

That might be true. But all I'm saying is, if it's sheep-related, I don't want to hear it ;)

536 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:56am

re: #493 albusteve

901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park

the Plates are deciding what to do next

[Link: www.9news.com...]

Uh-oh, caldera alert!

537 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:58:20am

re: #526 ggt

If you don't take your space, no one will give it to you. Chicago driving is like watching evolution on the road. Survival of the fittest.

Yep. I learned how to drive in the Chicago suburbs, which aren't a whole lot better than being in the city itself. You have to learn how to be an offensive driver out there.

538 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:58:32am

re: #521 iceweasel

Yes. Traffic circle, roundabout, rotary.

I like the signs in some suburban areas that say "Traffic Calming Area." what do they do to the traffic? Play classical music? Massage it? Give it Xanax?

539 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:03am

re: #508 Ojoe

Test.

Don't go all testy on us, Joe.

540 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:11am

CYA'LL Later :)

541 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:35am

re: #537 thedopefishlives

Yep. I learned how to drive in the Chicago suburbs, which aren't a whole lot better than being in the city itself. You have to learn how to be an offensive driver out there.

Hey, if you wan't to drive with the Big Dogs . . .

542 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:49am

re: #528 iceweasel

All I can tell you is, given how good the stories he tells on LGF are, those who don't have access to the off-line Cato are missing a lot...

Notice how no one doubted my Uma Thurman story from way up-thread. I don't need to make stuff up - my life has been weird from the start.

543 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:59am

re: #539 ryannon

Don't go all testy on us, Joe.

I would go to Quizno's for lunch today, but I brought my own sandwich.

544 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:01:29am

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Come to NJ; home of the jughandle. Want to make a left turn? Well, you've got to go into the right lane to exit and make it so. Can't tell you how many people screw that up if they're not familiar - and how often a GPS will mess it up too.

545 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:02:37am

re: #543 Mad Al-Jaffee

I would go to Quizno's for lunch today, but I brought my own sandwich.

Quizno's wouldn't appreciate you bringing your own sandwich into their restaurant.

I am going to make some coffee --wish I can a can of Cafe du Monde. Think I'll buy some next time I"m at the store.

546 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:02:48am

re: #542 Cato the Elder

Notice how no one doubted my Uma Thurman story from way up-thread. I don't need to make stuff up - my life has been weird from the start.

Didn't see it til now. I have a friend who had a housemate in the 90s who told me he knew her in high school. He said she was one of those weird art chicks who walked barefoot everywhere (even in the snow in New England.) I guess that prepared her for Kill Bill.

547 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:03:13am

re: #544 lawhawk

The do that weird shit just so they can give tickets to random out-of-towners.

548 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:04:10am

re: #545 ggt

My post was a bad pun attempt. Testy, QUIZnos. :)

549 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:04:15am

re: #546 Mad Al-Jaffee

Didn't see it til now. I have a friend who had a housemate in the 90s who told me he knew her in high school. He said she was one of those weird art chicks who walked barefoot everywhere (even in the snow in New England.) I guess that prepared her for Kill Bill.

True. And she has very flat feet.

550 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:04:47am

re: #533 Cato the Elder

One and the same

Dammit ,, I wrote that 1st and it didn't look right

Thought about it too

One IN the same, meaning one thing in a group of same things!


Ah well

551 Kragar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:11am

re: #532 reine.de.tout

I've got my iPhone hooked up, syncing and charging.

And I keep hearing "pings".
Is it - FB chat?
Is it yahoo chat?
Is it yahoo e-mail?
Is it regular e-mail?
Is it iPhone text?
Is it iPhone e-mail?

It's occurred to me there are so many ways to communicate that all have the a similar "ping" notification, confusion could cause us to completely fail to connect in any way

Actually, you dont have an iPhone, you purchased the newest model of the machine that goes ping. Honest mistake.

552 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:13am

re: #548 Mad Al-Jaffee

My post was a bad pun attempt. Testy, QUIZnos. :)

You're right, that pun sucked ass ;)

553 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:42am

Morning all!


Chris Morris's Four Lions: exclusive clip from the 'jihadist comedy'

Four Lions, the eagerly-awaited feature film debut from Brass Eye's Chris Morris, premieres at the Sundance film festival on Saturday. In this exclusive clip, we see how not to buy a dozen bottles of bomb-making bleach

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Chris Morris (The Day Today, Brass Eye, Nathan Barley) is second to none when it comes to satire. This looks hilarious.

554 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:45am

Today's my blogversary. 5 years. For those who care about such things. More than 6,000 posts since I started (blogger can't keep up and only shows the most recent 5,000), and while traffic comes and goes, I'm still posting on the stuff I want to post about and doing things my way. Thanks to anyone that's suffered through my links and comments.

555 Semper Fi  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:06:33am

It was good reading and dinging this morning. Have a nice day everyone.

556 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:07:06am

re: #554 lawhawk

Today's my blogversary. 5 years. For those who care about such things. More than 6,000 posts since I started (blogger can't keep up and only shows the most recent 5,000), and while traffic comes and goes, I'm still posting on the stuff I want to post about and doing things my way. Thanks to anyone that's suffered through my links and comments.

[Video]

Congrats! I like your blog and always appreciate your posts here. Keep it up!

I recommend multiple updings for lawhawk today.

557 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:07:14am

Interesting photo slide show - short, so take a look.
Teens views of New Orleans after Katrina:

558 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:07:38am

re: #555 Semper Fi

It was good reading and dinging this morning. Have a nice day everyone.

Toodles and happy Friday to you

559 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:08:39am

re: #553 Jimmah

"IRA voice..."
ha!

560 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:08:49am

re: #554 lawhawk

Congratulations!

561 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:08:52am

re: #556 Mad Al-Jaffee

Congrats! I like your blog and always appreciate your posts here. Keep it up!

I recommend multiple updings for lawhawk today.

Screw him, he has enough of them!!

//
Seriously... CONGRATS LawHawk. Your posts are appreciated

562 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:09:57am

re: #559 iceweasel

"IRA voice..."
ha!

"Why has she got her hands on her face then?"

"Eh...'cos she's got a beard"

563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:12:43am

re: #554 lawhawk

You are smart Lizard. So, happy anniversary.

I love it when you're around.

564 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:13:56am

re: #530 Obdicut

But airwaves are a medium of speech. What is the non-speech related part of me setting up a transmitter and broadcasting on a certain frequency?

No, that's not what I mean. I mean that certain bands of radio are restricted for the use of the government, for emergency services, military use, etc.

The ruling was based on speech, not the medium. I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.

565 Buck  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:14:45am

re: #532 reine.de.tout

I've got my iPhone hooked up, syncing and charging.

And I keep hearing "pings".
Is it - FB chat?
Is it yahoo chat?
Is it yahoo e-mail?
Is it regular e-mail?
Is it iPhone text?
Is it iPhone e-mail?

It's occurred to me there are so many ways to communicate that all have the a similar "ping" notification, confusion could cause us to completely fail to connect in any way

It might be an old fashioned phone call, but I doubt it. No one does that any more.

/s

566 Bagua  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:15:40am

re: #554 lawhawk

Congratulations and thank you for your valuable blog and comments here which provide us with so much valuable insight. I very much appreciate your efforts.

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:15:46am

mmmmm, fresh cuppa. Nothing like it.

568 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:17:09am

BBL ,,, damn work

569 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:17:12am

re: #565 Buck

It might be an old fashioned phone call, but I doubt it. No one does that any more.

/s

I don't have pings. Althought I did program my ringtones etc.

570 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:17:43am

re: #557 reine.de.tout

Interesting photo slide show - short, so take a look.
Teens views of New Orleans after Katrina:

That was good. Tks

571 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:18:28am

re: #565 Buck

It might be an old fashioned phone call, but I doubt it. No one does that any more.

/s

I hate phone calls, they interrupt my apps. and my naps.

572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:19:21am

re: #571 ggt

I hate phone calls, they interrupt my apps. and my naps.

Do you have a "nap app"?

573 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:19:42am

re: #564 RogueOne

The point I'm making is that we clearly do limit, regulate, and consider the other effects of speech all the time. There is nothing about money-as-speech that makes it different and not able to be considered as to its ramifications and effects.

Speech of one individual can interfere with the speech of another. Radio waves are an easy example of that.

574 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:24:39am

re: #570 Stanley Sea

That was good. Tks

I like the sunflower.

575 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:25:10am

re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you have a "nap app"?


No, but there is probably profit in it.

576 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:26:38am

re: #574 ggt

I like the sunflower.

And the bent at the knees statue!

577 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:29:56am

Could someone help me locate the gizmo on LGF that enlarges everything? Thanks :)

578 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:30:10am

re: #573 Obdicut

The point I'm making is that we clearly do limit, regulate, and consider the other effects of speech all the time. There is nothing about money-as-speech that makes it different and not able to be considered as to its ramifications and effects.

Speech of one individual can interfere with the speech of another. Radio waves are an easy example of that.

We do not limit "radio waves." It is allocated for just the opposite reason, the keep free speech from being interfered with.

And with the advent of the internet, there are SO many new ways that someone can get their message out, even with minimum financial investment.

It's a whole new ball game and the typical speech controlling progressives are pissing in their pants about it.

Tough shit. Find some other idiots to fool, it's not playing here.

579 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:30:23am

re: #574 ggt

I like the sunflower.

That one was taken by son of a HS buddy of mine who lived in NO, got evacuated and lived (and worked) in Tampa for awhile, and has now returned.

580 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:30:52am

Downside to getting a free cabin in the woods to live in from your boss: He feels free to drive up whenever he takes the notion. Usually when you're not wearing pants.

581 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:31:36am

re: #577 Blueheron

Could someone help me locate the gizmo on LGF that enlarges everything? Thanks :)

You have to tell us tell us the seekrit password first!

582 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:31:53am

re: #439 cliffster

Naso I think it boils down to the idea that the government should not be in the business of who can say what, ever.

Exactly. I think the majority summed it up nicely. "The Government may not by these means deprive the public of the right and privilege to determine for itself what speech and speakers are worthy of consideration. The First Amendment protects speech and speaker, and the ideas that flow from each."

583 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:32:11am

re: #581 Mad Al-Jaffee

You have to tell us tell us the seekrit password first!

Errrr in bed?

584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:32:12am

Just found out my friend John lost his job yesterday. Major league suckage. Married with a two year old. They were barely making it as it was.

And he's well over 150lbs overweight. He's got a major struggle in front of him.

Light a candle for him if you don't mind.

585 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:16am

re: #578 Walter L. Newton

We do not limit "radio waves." It is allocated for just the opposite reason, the keep free speech from being interfered with.

Exactly.

Tough shit. Find some other idiots to fool, it's not playing here.

Walter, your arguments would be a lot more convincing without all the odd assumptions about the mental states of those you're talking to.

Actual progressives would laugh at the idea that I'm a progressive, too.

586 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:36am

re: #580 Cato the Elder

Downside to getting a free cabin in the woods to live in from your boss: He feels free to drive up whenever he takes the notion. Usually when you're not wearing pants.

He's in for a shock, I've seen you without pants. Sarah Palin print briefs... eeeeewwwww....

587 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:44am

re: #583 Blueheron

Errr in bed?

Of course!

Under tools, click on LGF Master Spy.

588 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:58am

re: #585 Obdicut

Walter, your arguments would be a lot more convincing without all the odd assumptions about the mental states of those you're talking to.

Actual progressives would laugh at the idea that I'm a progressive, too.

I'm not laughing.

589 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:34:28am

re: #584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just found out my friend John lost his job yesterday. Major league suckage. Married with a two year old. They were barely making it as it was.

And he's well over 150lbs overweight. He's got a major struggle in front of him.

Light a candle for him if you don't mind.

I will. Literally. A five-day candle if I can get one.

Tell him to sign over his unemployment benefits to his wife, get in his car, and drive around the country until he finds something. Seriously. Worked for me.

590 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:34:34am

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

He's in for a shock, I've seen you without pants. Sarah Palin print briefs... eeewww...

I had to upding for the pure laugh value, 1, of Cato wearing Sarah Palin anything, and 2, for the idea of Sarah Palin print briefs. Though I don't doubt there are a lot of nutjobs out there having wet dreams about her.

591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:35:22am

re: #590 thedopefishlives

mmm. Sarah...

592 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:35:46am

re: #591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

mmm. Sarah...

And I suppose you think Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) is cute too, eh? *shudder*

593 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:35:55am

re: #590 thedopefishlives

I had to upding for the pure laugh value, 1, of Cato wearing Sarah Palin anything, and 2, for the idea of Sarah Palin print briefs. Though I don't doubt there are a lot of nutjobs out there having wet dreams about her.


I've decided it's the sexy librarian fantasy I guess a lot of people are in to it.

594 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:00am

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

He's in for a shock, I've seen you without pants. Sarah Palin print briefs... eeewww...

TMI from both of youz.

595 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:16am

re: #590 thedopefishlives

I had to upding for the pure laugh value, 1, of Cato wearing Sarah Palin anything, and 2, for the idea of Sarah Palin print briefs. Though I don't doubt there are a lot of nutjobs out there having wet dreams about her.

Hey, Sarah Palin can cure ED. An angry hard-on is still a hard-on.

596 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:33am

re: #593 ggt

I've decided it's the sexy librarian fantasy I guess a lot of people are in to it.

You know, I thought she was kinda cute when she first appeared on the national stage. She seems to have lost a bit of appeal for me, even before she turned out to be a raving lunatic.

597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:36am

re: #589 Cato the Elder

I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.

It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.

598 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:37:27am

re: #587 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ok I am in Mstr Spy. Now what? Please.

599 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:38:00am

re: #592 thedopefishlives

She's crazy. Crazy's not sexy.

I don't think Sarah's crazy. I think Sarah's an opportunist.

Which I also am.

600 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:38:32am

re: #598 Blueheron

Ok I am in Mstr Spy. Now what? Please.

Now I'm not sure. I really haven't used that feature much.

601 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:00am

re: #596 thedopefishlives

You know, I thought she was kinda cute when she first appeared on the national stage. She seems to have lost a bit of appeal for me, even before she turned out to be a raving lunatic.

Willful ignorance is not an attractive quality and Sarah Palin embodies it. And she doesn't fit the librarian model because that would imply that she actually was well-read.

602 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:28am

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.

It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.

Married men, or men with a partner, yes-- I think they do take it worse than married or partnered women.

Single women take it just as hard though as single men.

I'm very sorry for your friend; best of luck to him and his.

603 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:28am

I wanna be a Master Spy!

OK, maybe not.

604 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:59am

re: #600 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #598 Blueheron


Now I'm not sure. I really haven't used that feature much.

It enlarges everything which is great. Now I can't find the thingamajig.

605 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:59am

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.

It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.

I think part of it is that men have been more or less bred to be providers and at least mild workaholics. Even the geeks that live in their mother's basement understand the principle of supporting themselves and have some modicum of shame about not doing so. It is a hard thing to lose one's livelihood and be at risk of not being able to maintain a respectable living standard.

606 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:40:01am

re: #593 ggt

I've decided it's the sexy librarian fantasy I guess a lot of people are in to it.

I'd like her to switch to the Japanese schoolgirl look. The psychotic Japanese schoolgirl, à la Gogo in "Kill Bill".

607 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:40:19am

re: #604 Blueheron

It enlarges everything which is great. Now I can't find the thingamajig.

in bed?

608 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:40:30am

re: #601 Dark_Falcon

Willful ignorance is not an attractive quality and Sarah Palin embodies it. And she doesn't fit the librarian model because that would imply that she actually was well-read.

The glasses, the hair, the suit . . . .

609 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:06am

re: #602 iceweasel

Oh, yeah. That's what I meant. Manly men with families would rather find out they had cancer than find out they've lost their jobs. At least that's been my experience.

610 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:18am

re: #607 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #604 Blueheron


in bed?


I decline to answer on the advice of my barrister >>

611 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:27am

re: #606 Cato the Elder

I'd like her to switch to the Japanese schoolgirl look. The psychotic Japanese schoolgirl, à la Gogo in "Kill Bill".

That's just because you want to spank her with the flat of a sword.

//

612 tradewind  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:56am

The picture's lovely..... thanks.

613 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:42:25am

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.

It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.

Which is why in all earnestness I recommend an immediate road trip. Go see family or something. You never know what will come of it.

614 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:42:54am

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that culturally it's a lot more tied into our ego and sense of self-worth. I'm a workaholic. Stuff is all screwed up at work, and I'm the one fixing it all, and it makes me feel awesome to do so. Not just because I'm helping other people who I like and respect out, but also out of some more primal sense of fulfillment.

615 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:03am

re: #608 ggt

The glasses, the hair, the suit . . .

Yeah, she did fit the mold, until she started talking. Then she ruined it with witless banter punctuated with "You Betcha"s.

616 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:21am

re: #613 Cato the Elder

Which is why in all earnestness I recommend an immediate road trip. Go see family or something. You never know what will come of it.

Truthfully, this isn't bad advice. When I lost my first job straight out of college, I picked up another one from a recruiter I'd given my number to when visiting the lady who would eventually become the Mrs. Fish.

617 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:38am

I've met quite a few "sexy librarian" types in my times, and they were nothing like the stereotype. They were real librarians, and very attractive young women who dress like other young women who aren't librarians. Go to a Special Library Association or American Library Association meeting some time. You'll be surprised.

618 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:52am

re: #615 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, she did fit the mold, until she started talking. Then she ruined it with witless banter punctuated with "You Betcha"s.

Which probably enhanced her attractiveness to a lot of guys, since they don't pay their women to think.

619 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:44:00am

re: #614 Obdicut

I think that culturally it's a lot more tied into our ego and sense of self-worth. I'm a workaholic. Stuff is all screwed up at work, and I'm the one fixing it all, and it makes me feel awesome to do so. Not just because I'm helping other people who I like and respect out, but also out of some more primal sense of fulfillment.

... or importance?

620 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:44:48am

Ok, sexy librarian with a gun fantasy . . .

621 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:45:32am

re: #616 thedopefishlives

The stupidest thing I've ever done is not use my various connections to land jobs. Every job I've gotten has been from applying out of the blue. Many friends of mine have said, "I didn't even know you were looking, X would have hired you." Some weird kind of pride has, in the past, inhibited me from doing so.

These days, I think I'd be a bit smarter about it if I had to find another job.

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

You're just bound and determined to play interwebs psychologist, aren't you? Go ahead.

622 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:45:53am

re: #602 iceweasel

Single women take it just as hard though as single men.

Agreed. This is especially true with my generation. While men stress over the ability to care for a family (either now or in the future) the women I know take an enormous amount of pride in the ability to be independent and take care of themselves without the help of a man's income. If they plan to get married, they want to be sure they are financial equals and do not need to chose a partner based on his ability to make money. Being laid off damages that.

623 ryannon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:47:12am

re: #608 ggt

The glasses, the hair, the suit . . .

The moose-skinning knife, the snowshoes....

624 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:47:24am

re: #618 thedopefishlives

Which probably enhanced her attractiveness to a lot of guys, since they don't pay their women to think.

Thankfully, none of those people are on this blog. They aren't even stalkers, because taking any interest in LGF implies that one is already unusually well-informed about world events.

625 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:47:55am

re: #621 Obdicut

I'm new to the labor force, having only been out of college for a bit less than four years, so I have no qualms about employing just about any means necessary to get a job. I use Monster and other similar sites, as well as plying my in-laws' extensive family tree for connections, along with recruiters I've met during previous job searches. I still go to lunch with some of them from time to time to keep up on business talk and keep options open. Networking is a lot easier in these days than it was in my father's day, I think.

626 tradewind  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:12am

re: #158 RogueOne

Can't really argue nos. 1 & 2...... but even though I own a pair of the sweetest ever Goldens, you'd have to classify Goldens and Labs as more trainable than innately smart. There are way craftier ( meaning smart, to me) breeds not listed there.

627 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:13am

re: #622 soap_man

I'm single and I kind of liked being unemployed. But my situation was different. I accepted a severance package instead of being laid off. I had 4 1/2 months of full pay and benefits. When that ran out, I temped for a few months, including a job where I mainly worked from home. When that ended, I was on unemplyment for a couple of months, but I was able to find my current job.

I guess it would have been different if I had been laid off.

628 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:14am

The sexy librarian with a gun senerio may not work for those here ate LGF, but it seems to be working for quite a few people out there.

629 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:45am

re: #600 Mad Al-Jaffee

Now I'm not sure. I really haven't used that feature much.

I found it. It is in 'account'. I have the font size set so high I have to sit 6 feet away from the computer.

630 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:49:21am

re: #605 thedopefishlives

I think part of it is that men have been more or less bred to be providers and at least mild workaholics. Even the geeks that live in their mother's basement understand the principle of supporting themselves and have some modicum of shame about not doing so. It is a hard thing to lose one's livelihood and be at risk of not being able to maintain a respectable living standard.

I think that's right, but women also feel shame if they think they aren't supporting the family enough.

I'm no gender essentialist, but I do think there are differences between men and women, and while feminism has (rightfully) concentrated on the ways that our societal and cultural gender rols affect women, what is less attended to is how each affects men.

And men are told from birth (and I think it's also part of their nature) to care for, protect, provide for, those they love.
In our society as its set up, that generally means making money, for men's role.
I think this is destructive for both genders, because it sets up a situation where men are supposed to be judged on (and themselves feel that their worth is about) how they financially provide.
Another (bad) result is that men who are taking on an untraditional role, like being the one who stays home with the kids, often feel like they aren't good enough in some way, simply because they aren't the ones bringing home the money. Or other people make them feel that way.

It's a problem.

631 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:49:27am

re: #628 ggt

The sexy librarian with a gun senerio may not work for those here ate LGF, but it seems to be working for quite a few people out there.

Yeah, as DF mentioned upthread, not so much for most lizards or even anti-lizards. Myself, the Mrs. Fish is more of the adventurous, boisterous tomboy type - well-read, naturally curious, and energetic to a fault.

632 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:49:53am

re: #625 thedopefishlives

Yeah. It was definitely just me being stupid-- of course networking matters, and of course it should matter. Personal recommendations-- now that I participate in hiring decisions myself-- from someone I know are incredibly valuable, and the best possible predictor of that employee's performance that I've found.

633 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:50:04am

re: #626 tradewind

Can't really argue nos. 1 & 2... but even though I own a pair of the sweetest ever Goldens, you'd have to classify Goldens and Labs as more trainable than innately smart. There are way craftier ( meaning smart, to me) breeds not listed there.

some dogs are smart enough to be only as smart as they need to be. Lets them pull the wool over our eyes.

634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:50:08am

re: #606 Cato the Elder

I'd like her to switch to the Japanese schoolgirl look. The psychotic Japanese schoolgirl, à la Gogo in "Kill Bill".

Gogo Yubari

Japanese Businessman: [in Japanese; subtitled] Do you like Ferraris?
Go Go Yubari: [in Japanese] Ferraris... Italian trash.
[Japanese businessman giggles]
Go Go Yubari: Do you want to screw me?
[Japanese businessman giggles again]
Go Go Yubari: Don't laugh. Do you want to screw me, yes or no?
Japanese Businessman: Yes.
[She stabs him in the stomach with a Samurai short sword]
Go Go Yubari: How about now, big boy? Do you still wish to penetrate me?... Or is it I who has penetrated you?

Gogo should be the victim of all child molesters.

635 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:50:32am

re: #632 Obdicut

Yeah. It was definitely just me being stupid-- of course networking matters, and of course it should matter. Personal recommendations-- now that I participate in hiring decisions myself-- from someone I know are incredibly valuable, and the best possible predictor of that employee's performance that I've found.

Agreed. I've been in on some interviewing panels, and when they know a guy that works in another department of the company, it makes a difference.

636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:52:00am

re: #627 Mad Al-Jaffee

Boy, insert a family into that and being laid off...

I swear. If I'm told I have cancer, at least I don't feel I am at fault.

637 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:52:27am

re: #621 Obdicut

You're just bound and determined to play interwebs psychologist, aren't you? Go ahead.

No, I was adding to your observation. I wasn't talking about you. Interesting you took it that way. Oh, there I go again playing interwebs psychologist.

Chill out, I was agreeing with you and elaborating. I was in and out of work for the last 5 years, not able to get full time employment in my career, which is a Oracle programmer. One of the things I kept running up against was agism.

So, I took a two year career in live theatre, and even that financially didn't take care of all things.

So, now I'm working a full time job, in a furniture department of a thrift store, and I know what you mean. I come home and have a real sense of fulfillment and importance for what I have done to that furniture department, which was in dire need of some help.

So, chill out.

638 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:53:52am

gotta go Lizards!

Have a great rest-of-the-day!

639 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:53:56am

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gogo Yubari

Japanese Businessman: [in Japanese; subtitled] Do you like Ferraris?
Go Go Yubari: [in Japanese] Ferraris... Italian trash.
[Japanese businessman giggles]
Go Go Yubari: Do you want to screw me?
[Japanese businessman giggles again]
Go Go Yubari: Don't laugh. Do you want to screw me, yes or no?
Japanese Businessman: Yes.
[She stabs him in the stomach with a Samurai short sword]
Go Go Yubari: How about now, big boy? Do you still wish to penetrate me?... Or is it I who has penetrated you?

Gogo should be the victim of all child molesters.

BTW, the short sword is call a wakazashi. Traditionally, it was worn by samurai when in their homes. The only time a samurai would be unarmed would be when he was

in bed.

(Been wanting to do an 'in bed joke for a while now'."

640 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:09am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boy, insert a family into that and being laid off...

I swear. If I'm told I have cancer, at least I don't feel I am at fault.

Yeah, but like I said, I'm single and I chose to leave my job, with a big cusion of pad time to find new work. I was actually recruited by NSA during that time. I wasn't interviewed until a couple of months into it and I didn't get the job. (or maybe I did and can't talk about it!!!!)

641 tradewind  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:30am

re: #632 Obdicut

Excluding jobs requiring narrowly specialized skill sets, who you know has always been as or more important than what you know. I would have to try hard to think of an exception among my acquaintances.

642 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:42am

Dammit! Just got ANOTHER freakin' rejection letter.

Trying to switch careers in a recession sucks.

643 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:59am

re: #640 Mad Al-Jaffee

cushion of paid time

PIMF

Time for lunch!

644 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:55:16am

re: #630 iceweasel

I think that's right, but women also feel shame if they think they aren't supporting the family enough.

I'm no gender essentialist, but I do think there are differences between men and women, and while feminism has (rightfully) concentrated on the ways that our societal and cultural gender rols affect women, what is less attended to is how each affects men.

And men are told from birth (and I think it's also part of their nature) to care for, protect, provide for, those they love.
In our society as its set up, that generally means making money, for men's role.
I think this is destructive for both genders, because it sets up a situation where men are supposed to be judged on (and themselves feel that their worth is about) how they financially provide.
Another (bad) result is that men who are taking on an untraditional role, like being the one who stays home with the kids, often feel like they aren't good enough in some way, simply because they aren't the ones bringing home the money. Or other people make them feel that way.

It's a problem.

My girlfriend starts medical school in the fall. If we were to marry, she would make much more money than me. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

She told her father I said that, and he said "I could never tolerate making less than my wife." How things change in such a relatively brief period of time.

645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:56:21am

re: #644 soap_man

When my wife and I married she made four times what I made. Didn't bother me a bit.

646 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:57:45am

re: #645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Salma Hayek makes much more than I ever will, and I would have no problems with her being my wife.

647 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:57:55am

re: #644 soap_man

My girlfriend starts medical school in the fall. If we were to marry, she would make much more money than me. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

She told her father I said that, and he said "I could never tolerate making less than my wife." How things change in such a relatively brief period of time.

I think it's definitely generational. For sure. It isn't a problem now-- not as much.

648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:09am

re: #646 Mad Al-Jaffee

heh

649 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:25am

Good day, folks.

There's nothing more "pleasant" than getting to work at 9AM, only to leave the office at 1AM, then have to be back at the office at 9AM again...

Never take a salaried job that doesn't believe in comp time. Believe me.

650 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:30am

re: #637 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure how, after I stated :

Not just because I'm helping other people who I like and respect out, but also out of some more primal sense of fulfillment.

and you reply:

... or importance?

You can claim to not be talking about me. It's certainly the most obvious interpretation.

I'll accept you didn't mean it negatively, however.

651 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:59:11am

re: #649 MrSilverDragon

And does yours? Are you building up some nice comp?

652 tradewind  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:59:19am

re: #644 soap_man

If we were to marry, she would make much more money than me

That's many years and a few hundred thousand dollars worth of student loans down the pike, for most physicians. You have plenty of time to catch her.//

653 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:59:41am

re: #642 Guanxi88

Dammit! Just got ANOTHER freakin' rejection letter.

Trying to switch careers in a recession sucks.

Tell you what..... this keeps up, and I'm gonna revert to my jewbilly roots:

start running a still, selling bootleg 'baccy, and lending at exorbitant interest.

654 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:00:11am

re: #651 Obdicut

And does yours? Are you building up some nice comp?

In a word... no.

I just have to keep telling myself "at least I have a job."

655 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:01:28am

re: #650 Obdicut

I'm not sure how, after I stated :

You can claim to not be talking about me. It's certainly the most obvious interpretation.

I'll accept you didn't mean it negatively, however.

I don't give two shits how you take it, I explained myself.

656 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:01:45am

re: #653 Guanxi88

Tell you what... this keeps up, and I'm gonna revert to my jewbilly roots:

start running a still, selling bootleg 'baccy, and lending at exorbitant interest.

All three of which, by the way, I've done recreationally at one time or another.

657 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:02:48am

re: #652 tradewind

That's many years and a few hundred thousand dollars worth of student loans down the pike, for most physicians. You have plenty of time to catch her.//

She's actually very lucky. While her parents are far from wealthy, they both make very good money. She is an only child and her parents have been saving for her schooling she was born. So, no student loans for her. :)

Myself, on the other hand...

658 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:04:43am

re: #630 iceweasel

I think that's right, but women also feel shame if they think they aren't supporting the family enough.

I'm no gender essentialist, but I do think there are differences between men and women, and while feminism has (rightfully) concentrated on the ways that our societal and cultural gender rols affect women, what is less attended to is how each affects men.

And men are told from birth (and I think it's also part of their nature) to care for, protect, provide for, those they love.
In our society as its set up, that generally means making money, for men's role.
I think this is destructive for both genders, because it sets up a situation where men are supposed to be judged on (and themselves feel that their worth is about) how they financially provide.
Another (bad) result is that men who are taking on an untraditional role, like being the one who stays home with the kids, often feel like they aren't good enough in some way, simply because they aren't the ones bringing home the money. Or other people make them feel that way.

It's a problem.

The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"

659 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:04:59am

re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee

The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.

I read an interview some time ago, with an Egyptian-born imam serving a congregation in NYC. He commented that he was super-impressed with the courtesy and law-abiding of New York drivers.

I make a mental note to never try to drive in Cairo.

660 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:05:38am

See, everybody romanticizes the 'shiner's life, but when you get down to it, it's a helluva lotta work and hassle for cheap-ass corn whiskey. There's a rather inflexible demand for booze, though, and even stew-bums gotta drink.

"baccy, on the other hand, is a real moneymaker. All you need is the know-how and nice judgment to avoid the revenuers on that one. People treat 'baccy like it's gold (which it is), but truth is, most folk wouldn't know what a barn full of the stuff looked like, and would have no idea how to make it smokeable.

Usury requires start-up capital, and is heavily "regulated" by what I like to think of as Non-Governmental Organizations. Still, it's a fairly easy gig, all things considered.

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:05am

re: #654 MrSilverDragon

It's a good mantra to keep these days.

662 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:08am

re: #658 Alouette

The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"

That's definitely true, and transcends genders.

663 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:13am

re: #656 Guanxi88

All three of which, by the way, I've done recreationally at one time or another.

Recreational lending... now there's a hobby for ya.

664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:07:29am

re: #661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's a good mantra to keep these days.

Which also is a thing that keep "The Man's" foot on our necks.
/ and not.

665 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:08:09am

re: #663 MrSilverDragon

Recreational lending... now there's a hobby for ya.

It's cheap; practically pays for itself. There was a time, in my wild bachelor days, when I was cursed with money and simply had no time to spend it anymore. Knew a lotta guys who needed the cabbage from time to time, and so......

on paydays, I'd have steady stream of folks coming by my desk, to make their weekly payments. Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.

666 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:11am

re: #660 Guanxi88

You're a font of interesting knowledge!

Start brewing potcheen and I'll buy a lot. Promise.

667 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:30am

re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which also is a thing that keep "The Man's" foot on our necks.
/ and not.

I keep telling you, the Hobbits had it all figured out. You live in a hut dug into a hillside, you plant your crops, you smoke your pipe and drink your ale, and all's well till the Shire gets scoured.

668 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:35am

re: #658 Alouette

The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"

And then there's Bernie Madoff... from rich to bitch.

669 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:46am

re: #665 Guanxi88

on paydays, I'd have steady stream of folks coming by my desk, to make their weekly payments. Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.

Probably just jealous!

/Hey, if there's gonna be a bank in here, we oughta be running it!

670 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:10:54am

re: #668 MrSilverDragon

And then there's Bernie Madoff... from rich to bitch.

I bet that little smirk got wiped of his face pretty quick!

671 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:11:50am

re: #668 MrSilverDragon

And then there's Bernie Madoff... from rich to bitch.

Chris Rock said, (paraphrasing)
Black folks ain't rich. Some black folks are wealthy, but they ain't rich. You think Oprah's rich? Bill Cosby? If Bill Gates found out tomorrow that he had Bill Cosby's money? He'd jump out a fuckin' window.

672 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:13:07am

re: #647 iceweasel

I think it's definitely generational. For sure. It isn't a problem now-- not as much.

I stopped work a day job to raise kids as my wife had the higher income and benefits. I've only caught lip once, interestingly from my mother who didn't understand why I spent 4 years in college just to raise kids. My mom, she brings the love.

673 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:12am

re: #670 SteveC

I bet that little smirk got wiped of his face pretty quick!

I wish, but when he got challenged to a fight in prison, it was the other guy who wound up decked. Apparently, he did learn to thrown a punch somewhere along the line.

674 Blueheron  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:26am

re: #665 Guanxi88

It's cheap; practically pays for itself. There was a time, in my wild bachelor days, when I was cursed with money and simply had no time to spend it anymore. Knew a lotta guys who needed the cabbage from time to time, and so...

on paydays, I'd have steady stream of folks coming by my desk, to make their weekly payments. Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.

Jealous more than likely.

675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:41am

re: #670 SteveC

I keep thinking of that old guy at the end of "Boogie Nights". In prison for kiddie porn. In a cell with a very mean version of John Coffey.

Just a quick shot... glasses slapped off his face, crying...

676 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:15:43am

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

I wish, but when he got challenged to a fight in prison, it was the other guy who wound up decked. Apparently, he did learn to thrown a punch somewhere along the line.

But didn't he *ahem* fall off a bed a few weeks back? Earn a night or two in Graybar Memorial Hospital.

677 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:16:52am

re: #665 Guanxi88

Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.

Yeah, I bet the bosses weren't too happy with a bunch of their employees walking around with broken thumbs. :)

678 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:17:06am

re: #675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In a cell with a very mean version of John Coffey.

You goins to leave the lights on, Boss?

679 Racer X  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:17:21am

Charles must have been flying Southwest. They cancelled several flights into L.A. yesterday.

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:17:43am

re: #678 SteveC

You goins to leave the lights on, Boss?

This man wasn't afraid of no dark.

681 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:18:46am

re: #666 iceweasel

You're a font of interesting knowledge!

Start brewing potcheen and I'll buy a lot. Promise.

See, now that isn't white lightning. Halfway decent poteen is still yards ahead of most corn squeezin's. Like so much of that culture, transplanting it to the Appalachians caused certain distortions, enhancements, and adaptations to local conditions.

So, Irish bootleg whiskey is miles ahead of the hillbilly version, even as hillbilly fiddlin' is years ahead of the Irish.

682 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:19:08am

re: #676 SteveC

But didn't he *ahem* fall off a bed a few weeks back? Earn a night or two in Graybar Memorial Hospital.

That I had not heard. He deserves it if it happened.

683 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:19:43am

Observation from a thrift store employee.

1) The more you wrap a used item in clear tape to keep smaller parts from getting separated from each other, the more determined the thrift store customer will be to rip it all apart, scatter it and make the item unsalable.

2) If you are walking down the isles of the use furniture department, it is you duty to open every door and drawer on every desk, hutch, dresser and entertainment center and leave them open.

3) If the piece of used electronic equipment has a sticker on it that says "works," that means we extensively tested it in the warehouse (well, we plugged it in). There is no need for you to cut the cord ties, rip the power supply off the nice tape we secured it with and find a plug to plug the whole mess into, AND THEN leave the whole mess on the floor where you examined it.

4) Sorry, older TV's are not digital signal compliant. We test the TV's with a digital/analog convertor antenna in the warehouse, but no amount of poking the buttons over an over will make a picture come in... and don't leave a 30 pound TV on the floor next to the wall plug.

5) Don't rearrange the department for me. I have mops and dusting tools in aisle one, why do you have to bring them to aisle seven, where I have sofas and put leave the mop on a sofa? Is that where you store your mops at home, on your sofa?

6) Finally, the furniture department is not the place to test out the used skateboards, I sell them in my department, but we are not set up to test them out, and no, you can't build a ramp out of the used skis, which I also sell.

684 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:20:04am

re: #677 soap_man

Yeah, I bet the bosses weren't too happy with a bunch of their employees walking around with broken thumbs. :)

Funny thing was, I never had a problem collecting. Didn't even have to remind most guys.

If they're in straits dire enough to have to borrow rent money from a co-worker, they're painfully aware of their situation. So long as everyone acts like a gentleman, I don't need to bring in my associate, Mr. Knuckles.

685 The Left  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:21:27am

re: #681 Guanxi88

See, now that isn't white lightning. Halfway decent poteen is still yards ahead of most corn squeezin's

Yes, Brew some halfway decent potcheen and you'll be miles away....not to mention those who drink it.

686 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:21:34am

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

I couldn't work in retail for very long, honestly. I tend toward mild OCD, and I would just be berserk with cleaning up after - and ranting about - annoying customers who never put anything back where they got it.

687 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:21:40am

Welcome to the wonderful world of retail, Walter! :)

688 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:22:42am

re: #685 iceweasel

Yes, Brew some halfway decent potcheen and you'll be miles away...not to mention those who drink it.

Key thing on any still - and don't nobody build a cleaner still than the Irish - is the slobber box. Ya don't got that, ya end up with a bunch o' mother of vinegar messing up the whole run.

689 Racer X  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:22:43am

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

I worked retail for years. People are pigs.

690 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:23:37am

re: #35 Silvergirl

Reading up on Alice in Wonderland. It opens in March. The Cheshire Cat is voiced by Stephen Fry. SlashFilm Blogging the Reel World is where I get my movie news.

Good link, thanks.

691 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:25:03am

re: #689 Racer X

I worked retail for years. People are pigs.

I still work retail and I agree entirely.

692 brookly red  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:25:21am

re: #683 Walter L. Newton

/excuse me... does this chair work?

693 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:25:40am

re: #689 Racer X

I worked retail for years. People are pigs.

But they vote, don't they?/

694 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:13am

re: #689 Racer X

I worked retail for years. People are pigs.

I used to work at a produce department in a grocery story. Whenever we sold cherries by the pound, pits would begin collecting at the bottom of the barrel. During the summer, peach and nectarine pits would be all over the department. In fact, one guy in grocery found an apple core hidden behind canned spaghetti sauce. I would often see customers give the fruit to their kids, who would eat them in the shopping cart.

Yes, people are pigs.

695 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:45am

re: #681 Guanxi88

So, Irish bootleg whiskey is miles ahead of the hillbilly version, even as hillbilly fiddlin' is years ahead of the Irish.

Can Geico really save you money on car insurance?... Can Charlie Daniels play the fiddle?

"That's the way you do it, son."

696 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:27:16am

re: #689 Racer X

I worked retail for years. People are pigs.

I cringe sometimes going shopping with the Mrs. Fish and/or her family. They're the, uhh, "thrifty" sort. What I mean by that is, they aggressively negotiate and aren't afraid to escalate things to the next level if they think it'll get them their way. Me, I've always tried to be nice to the retail servicepeople, especially after working a summer in a small-town hardware store and having to BE the serviceperson.

697 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:28:41am

Charles is probably sleeping in.

698 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:29:00am

re: #697 Ojoe

Charles is probably sleeping in.

bed

699 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:29:26am

re: #686 thedopefishlives

I couldn't work in retail for very long, honestly. I tend toward mild OCD, and I would just be berserk with cleaning up after - and ranting about - annoying customers who never put anything back where they got it.

I am moderate OCD, and can you imaging working with a used furniture department, where you basically have all manner of stuff coming in daily, and you have to find some rhyme and reason for where to put them, how to display them, how to make them accessible, I mean, we try to keep certain items in certain isles (I have seven), but single chairs, bicycles, golf bags, baby gates, swamp coolers, headboard, mirrors... these are all sorts of items that don't lend themselves to sitting out neatly.

My swing supervisor's wife said the department is as neat as she has ever seen it.

And I don't just get to spend all my time on the floor, very little actually, most of my time is in he warehouse, getting large furniture items sorted, wiped down, priced and dragged out to the sales floor.

Have you ever seen the back of a thrift store, it's organized chaos, stuff coming in hour after hour, special trucks coming in from pickups.

And we become the trash haulers for everyone. We have a policy to take everything, so we do get taken advantage of, people just wanting us to haul and dispose of stuff you couldn't sell ever.

700 webevintage  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:30:05am

re: #689 Racer X

I worked retail for years. People are pigs.

and idiots.
Which why I sell on-line only and deal with people via email...

701 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:31:48am

I train my customers. Once in a while I have to fire one. If they are untrainable, they become customers of my competitor down the street.

702 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:31:51am

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Basic fail at the hard-wired hunter/gather instinct. No buffalo brought home today, no idea where the buffalo herd will be tomorrow, and hunting chipmunks to get by is demeaning.

703 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:33:17am

re: #694 soap_man

I would often see customers give the fruit to their kids, who would eat them in the shopping cart.

Weigh the kids on the way in to the store, then on the way out

Charge the parent for the difference per pound!

704 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:33:32am

And speaking of hauling, I have to haul my ass out of here and get to work... buy thrift, save the world.

705 abbyadams  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:33:43am

re: #696 thedopefishlives

Upding in sympathy. I have in-laws that are very unkind to those in retail.

(No, they never worked retail.) I think that it should be federally mandated that everyone work retail as part of their education.

/kidding, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place...

706 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:34:22am

re: #681 Guanxi88

Bootleggers burned down my granddaddy's house in the 20's. He didn't like them running stills on his land. The story gets more interesting as the white bootleggers tried to blame the black bootleggers at the end of the valley, not knowing that the black bootleggers were 2nd cousins and "wouldn't do that to family".

And Jeff looks up at his dad: black cousins? My old man has some great stories.

707 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:34:58am

re: #705 abbyadams

Upding in sympathy. I have in-laws that are very unkind to those in retail.

(No, they never worked retail.) I think that it should be federally mandated that everyone work retail as part of their education.

/kidding, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place...

I've had similar thoughts. Working in retail or some form of customer service really gives a person some perspective.

708 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:35:08am

re: #704 Walter L. Newton

I bought a really nice vintage suit at a thrift shop for around $15 a few years ago. I only bought it for the jacket, but the pants fit me fine.

709 wee fury  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:35:54am

re: #702 oaktree

Basic fail at the hard-wired hunter/gather instinct. No buffalo brought home today, no idea where the buffalo herd will be tomorrow, and hunting chipmunks to get by is demeaning.

Well, all is not lost. You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd.

710 soap_man  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:36:18am

re: #708 Mad Al-Jaffee

I bought a really nice vintage suit at a thrift shop for around $15 a few years ago. I only bought it for the jacket, but the pants fit me fine.

I bought a jacket for $6 at the Salvation Army. The pocket had a hole, but that is still my favorite jacket. I would be wearing it today if the weather was a little nicer.

711 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:36:45am

re: #705 abbyadams

Upding in sympathy. I have in-laws that are very unkind to those in retail.

(No, they never worked retail.) I think that it should be federally mandated that everyone work retail as part of their education.

/kidding, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place...

No, it wouldn't. You get a lot of retail positions staffed by people who were unsuited to them and weren't planning to keep them. I've had deal with people who fit that description and more than once I've had to walk out to keep from leveling the jerk.

712 torrentprime  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:06am

re: #699 Walter L. Newton

... these are all sorts of items that don't lend themselves to sitting out neatly.

My swing supervisor's wife said the department is as neat as she has ever seen it.

My dad was a stock clerk at a grocery store for most of his life, and due to this I'm incredibly sensitive to people who decide they don't want an item they've already picked and dropping it anywhere in the store. Don't want that frozen steak? Throw it on the canned foods shelf! And so on. I actually berated some friends once for tossing an entire basket of perishables onto a shelf and heading for the door. You spend a few nights watching your pop clean up after other people, you end up with a better appreciation for where stuff goes.

713 Slap  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:17am

re: #641 tradewind

Good points, to be sure. A good friend of mine, in his late 50s, recently observed (after a rather prolonged and nasty termination of a real pain-in-the-ass individual) that after 30 years of managing and hiring people, he's become convinced of only one truism in hiring:

Hire happy people.

Seems simplistic on its face, but can anybody give me an example from your experience of an unhappy person being productive and non-problematic? Not that this is easy to determine, but it made an impression on me.

714 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:25am

re: #696 thedopefishlives

Me, I've always tried to be nice to the retail servicepeople, especially after working a summer in a small-town hardware store and having to BE the serviceperson.

I'm working in the Museum one day when there is this gawd-awful SCREAM and the sounds of a fight. Two or three of us haul buggy to try to find out what is going on and this 30 year old woman is hammering our 16 year old volunteer's head. Took two of us to pull her off.

Turns out Volunteer's older brother - who is a real man about town - got this woman in the family way years ago and then split. The 16 year old didn't even know her. He's changing a light bulb and suddenly this strange woman goes apeshit and knocks him off the ladder.

Lawyers got involved and it got to the point that the boss and I both had to give depositions, but it never went to trial. I assume someone settled.

And the 16 year old never worked there again. Can't say I blame him.

715 webevintage  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:38:41am

re: #699 Walter L. Newton

Walter does your place only do hardlines or is it also clothing?
Just wait, if you are in a larger city it is almost time for the Japanese pickers to show up looking for vintage.

716 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:38:56am

via Andrew Sullivan, who knows a little about testicles:

On a genitalia roll today.

717 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:39:12am

re: #712 torrentprime

A place for everything and everything in its place.

re: #714 SteveC

Holy moly, that's the mother of all customer service stories. I've heard just about everything now.

718 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:12am

You know what they say... hell hath no fury as a woman scorned? Well, this is a whole different level of fury.

719 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:25am

re: #712 torrentprime

I think it's called "empathy" and it appears to be in fairly short supply in a lot of areas; mainly retail and restaurants. By the customers that is, not the employees.

720 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:46am
Mitchell fails to convince Abbas to enter talks with Israel
The US envoy to the Middle East was holding talks with the Palestinian leader on Friday afternoon, even as hopes that Washington could restart Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations anytime soon continued to fade.
...
The three-hour meeting between Abbas and Washington's envoy, George Mitchell, came a day after Time magazine published an interview with Obama in which the US president acknowledged he may have overestimated his ability to revive negotiations.
...
Mitchell arrived in Israel Wednesday night from Lebanon and Syria. He met Abbas on Friday after holding talks with Netanyahu on Thursday, and is to leave the region over the weekend.
The envoy has said Obama remains committed to trying to broker a Mideast deal, but it's unclear what he could try next.
...
Meanwhile, during a press conference in Washington with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband on Thursday night, US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that while the US would continue to work for Middle East peace, it was ultimately up to Israel and the Palestinians.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Another unfulfilled promise heads under the bus.
Worse than useless.

721 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:42:18am

re: #718 lawhawk

You know what they say... hell hath no fury as a woman scorned? Well, this is a whole different level of fury.

We in the tech trade would call that "owned".

722 SteveC  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:43:52am

re: #717 thedopefishlives

Holy moly, that's the mother of all customer service stories. I've heard just about everything now.

The boss dropped the hammer right then, and came down on the side of our guy. Woman got tossed, and the boss tells the kid Go in my office and call the lawyer in town RIGHT NOW.

Ain't nobody manhandling his people, no matter what!

723 Slap  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:44:08am

re: #717 thedopefishlives

I'll have to dig thru my memory trove....having worked in restaurants, food retail, banking and the gaming industry, I can safely say that the two worst things to have to deal with are people's food and people's money.

[Keeping fingers crossed that I never have to consider employment in portapotty maintenance as an option to homelessness.....]

724 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:45:05am

re: #720 Spare O'Lake

Another unfulfilled promise heads under the bus.
Worse than useless.

Quite Concur. And I'm off to work, BBT.

725 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:45:51am

re: #720 Spare O'Lake

Has any POTUS in the last 40 years not promised to work on peace in the Middle East and then essentially failed to deliver?

But we're talking politicians again. It makes a great talking point to attempt to garner votes, but let's be realistic, the United States (or any other country outside of the region) is not capable of, or willing to, make the necessary steps that could generate a lasting peace there that will have all sides placated.

726 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:23am

re: #723 Slap

I'll have to dig thru my memory trove...having worked in restaurants, food retail, banking and the gaming industry, I can safely say that the two worst things to have to deal with are people's food and people's money.

[Keeping fingers crossed that I never have to consider employment in portapotty maintenance as an option to homelessness...]

See, working in the hardware business, the worst you really have to deal with are the know-it-all gits who think they've got a clue how to do their project but are going about it all the wrong way. Those were the cases where the store manager would take me aside and say, "Let me handle this one, you go deal with XYZ over there." Other than that, most people are reasonably friendly, and one of two types: 1) Know bugger-all and looking for advice, or 2) Know enough to be dangerous and looking for more advanced help or confirmation.

727 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:35am

re: #722 SteveC

The boss dropped the hammer right then, and came down on the side of our guy. Woman got tossed, and the boss tells the kid Go in my office and call the lawyer in town RIGHT NOW.

Ain't nobody manhandling his people, no matter what!

That's a good boss.

728 brookly red  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:42am

re: #725 oaktree

Has any POTUS in the last 40 years not promised to work on peace in the Middle East and then essentially failed to deliver?

But we're talking politicians again. It makes a great talking point to attempt to garner votes, but let's be realistic, the United States (or any other country outside of the region) is not capable of, or willing to, make the necessary steps that could generate a lasting peace there that will have all sides placated.

... the light bulb has to want to change.

729 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:58am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

Where the hell is everyone?

I'm here, but typing hurts so I'm just watching. Have a good day! Oh and HAPPY FRIDAY everyone! :-)

730 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:47:37am

re: #728 brookly red

... the light bulb has to want to change.

...and the scorpion says to the frog "Whaddaya want? It's the Mideast!"

731 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:47:47am

re: #714 SteveC

I'm working in the Museum one day when there is this gawd-awful SCREAM and the sounds of a fight. Two or three of us haul buggy to try to find out what is going on and this 30 year old woman is hammering our 16 year old volunteer's head. Took two of us to pull her off.

Turns out Volunteer's older brother - who is a real man about town - got this woman in the family way years ago and then split. The 16 year old didn't even know her. He's changing a light bulb and suddenly this strange woman goes apeshit and knocks him off the ladder.

Lawyers got involved and it got to the point that the boss and I both had to give depositions, but it never went to trial. I assume someone settled.

And the 16 year old never worked there again. Can't say I blame him.

Poor kid.

732 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:48:13am

re: #701 wrenchwench

I train my customers. Once in a while I have to fire one. If they are untrainable, they become customers of my competitor down the street.

Didn't take me long to realize some customers aren't worth having no matter how much business they give you. I was building a large McD's last year and threatened to throw the GC off the roof. Last building I did for him but it was worth it to see how fast he could get his ass down that ladder.

733 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:48:45am

Hmm, given Walter's description of customers trying out equipment to make sure it works I hope the place doesn't sell portable toilets... O_o

734 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:49:33am

re: #662 iceweasel

That's definitely true, and transcends genders.

It used to be that only men were judged by this standard, but women were included around the 1970's, when some of the feminists of that time started squawking that stay-at-home moms were worthless.

735 darthstar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:49:38am

re: #733 oaktree

Hmm, given Walter's description of customers trying out equipment to make sure it works I hope the place doesn't sell portable toilets... O_o

or sex toys... /

736 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:51:07am

SO, just finished a phone chat with the wife.

Outta nowhere, I'm treated to Sigmund Freud's bastard great-great grandaughter's diagnosis:

"I figured it out! You're bi-polar, only, with you, its not "manic" then "depressive." With you, it's "despairing" or "Pissed off."

(All this because I asked her to check the mail more than twice a month.)

737 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:51:55am

re: #736 Guanxi88

Sarcasm, I like your wife.

738 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:52:03am

re: #736 Guanxi88

At least she didn't accuse you of making HER bi-polar.

/Yeah, I had it happen

739 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:52:49am

re: #738 thedopefishlives

At least she didn't accuse you of making HER bi-polar.

/Yeah, I had it happen

According to mine, I've made her fat. I pointed out that I'm not the one who does the grocery shopping.....

740 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:07am

This is amazing; a 69-year old woman was rescued from the rubble of a collapsed building in Port au Prince alive - after being trapped for 10 days. That said, don't expect to hear too many more of those stories since the odds grow longer against finding more people alive among the wreckage.

741 Kragar  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:28am

re: #736 Guanxi88

(All this because I asked her to check the mail more than twice a month.)

You son of a bitch.

/

742 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:42am

re: #734 Alouette

It used to be that only men were judged by this standard, but women were included around the 1970's, when some of the feminists of that time started squawking that stay-at-home moms were worthless.

Obviously said by someone who didn't do their own laundry, clean their own home, cook their own meals, or pay to have all that done on a regular basis.

/

743 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:45am

re: #737 RogueOne

Sarcasm, I like your wife.

Yeah, she's a keeper. I think of her sorta like a feral cat; love them though you may, you can never be sure when the claws'll come out.

744 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:46am

re: #739 Guanxi88

According to mine, I've made her fat. I pointed out that I'm not the one who does the grocery shopping...

This one wasn't the wife, it was an ex-ladyfriend. You can see now why she's an ex.

745 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:57am

re: #741 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You son of a bitch.

/

How do you know her pet name for me?

746 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:54:16am

re: #739 Guanxi88

What was the next meal served to you after you said that?

747 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:54:40am

re: #746 oaktree

What was the next meal served to you after you said that?

Cold shoulder and hot tongue.

748 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:55:23am

re: #732 RogueOne

Didn't take me long to realize some customers aren't worth having no matter how much business they give you. I was building a large McD's last year and threatened to throw the GC off the roof. Last building I did for him but it was worth it to see how fast he could get his ass down that ladder.

Well, I've never threatened violence. I did chase a shoplifter down the street and recover the goods.

749 Slap  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:55:50am

re: #727 thedopefishlives

AGREED! One of the best bosses I ever had was tough as hell, demanding all of us be aware, on our toes, attentive to detail and professional -- in what many often took as a "harsh" style. But he was an excellent teacher and mentor as well as being an unflinching critic when required. His best feature was his resolute protection of his crew: anyone from any other department who attempted to directly take any of us to task for an error learned very quickly that it was the only time they wanted to try that. He would listen to concerns/criticisms when they were brought to him, but defended us publicly and (verbally) thumped us privately when needed. Never failed to act, but never failed to make it clear it was HIS action to take, not someone else's.

Made an eternal impression on me.

750 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:56:45am

re: #743 Guanxi88

Yeah, she's a keeper. I think of her sorta like a feral cat; love them though you may, you can never be sure when the claws'll come out.

Does your wife have a sister? Are you my brother-in-law and we just didn't realize it?

751 Guanxi88  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:57:53am

re: #750 cliffster

Does your wife have a sister? Are you my brother-in-law and we just didn't realize it?

Hate to tell you, but she has a brother. Better you should hear it from me....

752 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:59:10am

re: #732 RogueOne

Didn't take me long to realize some customers aren't worth having no matter how much business they give you. I was building a large McD's last year and threatened to throw the GC off the roof. Last building I did for him but it was worth it to see how fast he could get his ass down that ladder.

Now I'm picturing you as Lawrence from Office Space (since in one scene he said he was doing drywall for the new McDonald's.)

753 cliffster  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:59:39am

re: #751 Guanxi88

Hate to tell you, but she has a brother. Better you should hear it from me...

Hahahahahaha!!!

Hahaha!

ha

Uuhhhh....

754 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:02:14am

re: #696 thedopefishlives

I cringe sometimes going shopping with the Mrs. Fish and/or her family. They're the, uhh, "thrifty" sort. What I mean by that is, they aggressively negotiate and aren't afraid to escalate things to the next level if they think it'll get them their way. Me, I've always tried to be nice to the retail servicepeople, especially after working a summer in a small-town hardware store and having to BE the serviceperson.

I gotta tell ya I have worked both retail and wholesale in the jewelry business for over twenty years and it's gotta be one of the hardest jobs anyone could have. No one wants to pay the price marked, they all think that jewelers are making money hand over fist and everyone wants a discount. I got verbal scoldings and beaten up on a daily basis. I have even been called racist because I refused to give a discount to one customer whom thought that because she was a minority she was entitled to a lower price than everyone else. I can still hear her screaming at me in my sleep, the nightmares these people cause can be disconcerting for years. Then I worked on the phones and that's even tougher! People feel that they can verbally abuse you just because you are on the other end of a telephone. I put one of these wonderful // customers on speaker so my boss could hear the abuse she was dishing out, and let me tell you he went ballistic! After that I just passed those types off onto the boss. The stress they cause is just not worth it. You have to have the patience of a saint to work in that industry, or you'll go insane. I almost did.

755 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:03:21am

re: #743 Guanxi88

Yeah, she's a keeper. I think of her sorta like a feral cat; love them though you may, you can never be sure when the claws'll come out.

Meoooow! Phssst, phssst! I resemble that remark!

756 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:12:23am

re: #658 Alouette

The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"

My husband's brother is much more financially successful than my husband or his sister.

My mother-in-law observed once that she was so proud of all her kids, and so happy that they had each found work that suited them.

She had an excellent perspective, IMO.

757 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:16:26am

Did ever one jump thread?

758 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:25:42am

re: #757 Dragon_Lady

Did ever one jump thread?

No. I'm trying to follow two at once and work at the same time...

759 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:31:12am

re: #754 Dragon_Lady

I once told someone that I went into computers so that I wouldn't have to deal with people. So I guess I prefer simplistic very fast adding machines to dealing with flesh and bone folk.

I don't respect the computers themselves at all. I respect the programmers for making them do things, and the scientists/engineers that make such wonderfully complex machines out of silicon, plastic, and metal.

"We have tamed lightning, and now use it to make sand think."

760 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:14:33pm

re: #439 cliffster

Naso I think it boils down to the idea that the government should not be in the business of who can say what, ever. Throw in the fact that it is a pretty disturbing conflict of interest to have elected officials getting to decide who gets to influence future elections. Then it's pretty easy to see why what seemed like a good idea (campaign finance laws) is actually a bad deal.

What I am saying is that there is a difference between speech and financing campaigns.

Corporate management can make all the speeches they want, when they are not working for shareholders, and to the extent that legislation may harm, or benefit, their business they can speak out at work too; but when it comes to spending MY money as a shareholder to support a political party or candidate then we are into territory that does not come under the umbrella of "free speech", the business becomes a political organization with no accountability to shareholders beyond "sell out".

I hear a noise in the background..I think it may be legislators and lawyers working on arguments that there is no reason to leave religious and non profits out of this political free for all either./


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