2 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:17:42pm |
That scene makes me restless, in a good way.
And with that, goodnight.
3 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:20:05pm |
I just tried the spy thing, then we get a new thread.
5 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:23:27pm |
And with the new thread, its time for me to get to bed. (Hey, that rhymes.)
Good night, all!
6 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:24:34pm |
Alright, so someone can just hang out in LGF Spyland and watch?
7 | Silvergirl Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:25:46pm |
re: #6 Cannadian Club Akbar
Alright, so someone can just hang out in LGF Spyland and watch?
What Spyland? The LGF Master Spy?
10 | The Left Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:27:00pm |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
And with the new thread, its time for me to get to bed. (Hey, that rhymes.)
Good night, all!
Night, DF! good luck at work tomorrow and your meeting.
12 | Bagua Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:29:48pm |
13 | abolitionist Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:30:00pm |
Repost. TOYOTA RECALL: Reports of Runaway Cars
Four Dead in Dallas Crash Where Problem Floor Mats Found in Trunk
Seems the problem has nothing to do with floor mats.
Scroll down, and click on the video - a "breakthrough case" in which a driver brought his vehicle to a dealership while it was mis-behaving. Also, check out the comments, for example by sjmbandit 12:45 AM and by sickandtired1951 12:20 AM and 12:02 AM.
14 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:30:58pm |
re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar
Where be ya?
Watching "Kill Bill Vol. 2" and reviewing my first day in Seattle.
15 | Silvergirl Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:34:41pm |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
Watching "Kill Bill Vol. 2" and reviewing my first day in Seattle.
What's happening in your life? I've missed a lot, but I've gathered you were on a cross country drive and stopped off to visit some Lizards. You loved New Mexico, and now what? You live in Seattle, or you're hanging out there?
17 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:35:49pm |
re: #15 Silvergirl
I've got a job here for a while at least. Been on Bainbridge Island for more than a week. Today I finally visited Coffee Ground Zero.
18 | abolitionist Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:36:03pm |
re: #16 Cato the Elder
Close. Seems to affect model years 2005 and later.
19 | Bagua Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:37:03pm |
For the first time in my adult life,
I feel proud of my state Massachusetts.
20 | Silvergirl Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:40:04pm |
re: #19 Bagua
For the first time in my adult life,
I feel proud of my state Massachusetts.
22 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:41:41pm |
I love Uma Thurman. Used to hang out at her dad's place when she was around five years old.
Seeing her nekkid in "Dangerous Liaisons" years later was a strange experience.
24 | SteveC Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:43:18pm |
From TIME MAGAZINE MAN OF THE YEAR to the unemployment line
Amidst the voter anger at Wall Street and Washington, D.C., ABC News has learned that the Senate Democratic leadership isn't sure there are enough votes to re-confirm Ben Bernanke for another term as chairman of the Federal Reserve.
26 | Silvergirl Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:45:23pm |
re: #17 Cato the Elder
I've got a job here for a while at least. Been on Bainbridge Island for more than a week. Today I finally visited Coffee Ground Zero.
I've never explored Seattle. I spent a couple days in Tacoma. I have friends in Bellingham and Whidbey Island and I've never visited. Bad! My brother came back from Seattle with a bag of Space Needle pasta so I made up a dish with salmon that wasn't half bad.
Was Coffee Ground Zero all you hoped for?
27 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:46:28pm |
re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tell him to stand behind me.
Get in line.
Meanwhile, he can pull my finger.
28 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:47:39pm |
re: #26 Silvergirl
I've never explored Seattle. I spent a couple days in Tacoma. I have friends in Bellingham and Whidbey Island and I've never visited. Bad! My brother came back from Seattle with a bag of Space Needle pasta so I made up a dish with salmon that wasn't half bad.
Was Coffee Ground Zero all you hoped for?
Hell, it was a beautiful day. Actual sunshine.
And you can get a coffee buzz just walking around the streets. That's how many java shops there are.
29 | Silvergirl Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:50:48pm |
re: #28 Cato the Elder
Hell, it was a beautiful day. Actual sunshine.
And you can get a coffee buzz just walking around the streets. That's how many java shops there are.
The time I was in Tacoma was in February and a warm jacket was necessary but the sunshine was glorious!
30 | freetoken Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:52:07pm |
That wet desert ground ought to be rather lovely in a couple of months.
I always liked driving through the southwest... usually with some (Ce)celia cruz playing in the background:
32 | freetoken Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:04:58am |
BTW, it just hailed on me on the walk home. The joys of El Nino...
You can see how much rain we've had in the last week by going here:
[Link: water.weather.gov...]
and select "last 7 days" on the list in the lower left. That is just an estimate based out of SGX, but at that scale it is reasonable. Locally, intense downpours cause large values. The automated rain gauges here:
[Link: www.wrh.noaa.gov...]
present an interesting picture too (select "3 days", the longest over which they sum.) Some gauges are over 10" of precip over the last three days; note that the gauges are not always trustworthy, but in this case I can believe the high figures. Since they don't accumulate over 3 days, the week total is higher than that amount on the map!
I love the rain, just wish it wouldn't happen all at once.
34 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:11:53am |
re: #33 Cato the Elder
Where the hell is everyone?
Up to no good, in my case (and Jimmah's). Readin' writin' and youtube. The usual.
35 | Silvergirl Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:17:06am |
re: #33 Cato the Elder
Where the hell is everyone?
Reading up on Alice in Wonderland. It opens in March. The Cheshire Cat is voiced by Stephen Fry. SlashFilm Blogging the Reel World is where I get my movie news.
36 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:21:18am |
re: #35 Silvergirl
Reading up on Alice in Wonderland. It opens in March. The Cheshire Cat is voiced by Stephen Fry. SlashFilm Blogging the Reel World is where I get my movie news.
Saw the preview when I went to watch "Avatar". Looks like fun.
37 | Silvergirl Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:21:42am |
re: #32 freetoken
BTW, it just hailed on me on the walk home. The joys of El Nino...
". . .he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
Sorry you had to take a pelting along with the unjust.
39 | freetoken Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:29:44am |
re: #33 Cato the Elder
Where the hell is everyone?
Trying out the new Youtube HTML5 beta.
Not worth the switch, yet.
40 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:32:22am |
re: #37 Silvergirl
". . .he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
Sorry you had to take a pelting along with the unjust.
The rain it raineth every day--
twelfth night.
41 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:40:25am |
re: #40 iceweasel
Tir'd with all these, for restful death I cry,
As, to behold desert a beggar born,
And needy nothing trimm'd in jollity,
And purest faith unhappily forsworn,
And gilded honour shamefully misplac'd,
And maiden virtue rudely strumpeted,
And right perfection wrongfully disgrac'd,
And strength by limping sway disabled,
And art made tongue-tied by authority,
And folly, doctor-like, controlling skill,
And simple truth miscall'd simplicity,
And captive good attending captain ill.
Tir'd with all these, from these would I be gone,
Save that, to die, I leave my love alone.
Sonnet LXVI, the which proveth that the poet knows no law of "good style" that cannot be broken with impunity by him who knoweth what he doth, viz. run-on sentences and beginning ten lines with the self-same word.
EGO POETA AMERICANVS SVPRA GRAMMATICOS STO
42 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:46:12am |
re: #41 Cato the Elder
Sonnet LXVI, the which proveth that the poet knows no law of "good style" that cannot be broken with impunity by him who knoweth what he doth, viz. run-on sentences and beginning ten lines with the self-same word.
EGO POETA AMERICANVS SVPRA GRAMMATICOS STO
I don't know what that means! teach me!
This site is great. Shakespeare's Sonnets, a mailing list where you get one a day.
Here is today's:
In the old age black was not counted fair,
Or if it were, it bore not beauty's name;
But now is black beauty's successive heir,
And beauty slander'd with a bastard shame:
For since each hand hath put on nature's power,
Fairing the foul with art's false borrow'd face,
Sweet beauty hath no name, no holy bower,
But is profaned, if not lives in disgrace.
Therefore my mistress' brows are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Slandering creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn, becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so
43 | Silvergirl Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:49:00am |
re: #40 iceweasel
The rain it raineth every day--
twelfth night.
There are so many great lines from Twelfth Night to be used here and there as the occasions arise. We need to do it more often. Once I get past Malvolio's yellow stockings and actually concentrate on the words, the story's full o gems.
44 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:49:07am |
re: #33 Cato the Elder
Where the hell is everyone?
Been following Toyota issues. Check out both videos here. (First is same as in my #13).
Toyota Driver: ABC News Videos Helped Save My Life
Kevin Haggerty Says He Brought His Runaway Toyota Under Control By Using What He'd Learned On-Line and On-Air
Toyota Recalls 2.3M Vehicles to Correct Sticking Accelerator Pedals
The thing is, these affected vehicles don't use classic mechanical or cable linkages for the "accellerator" function. They use electronic sensors and signaling, and ...software.
I have to wonder what percentage of C programmers understand the subtleties of unsigned, signed, and circular number lines; two's complement versus sign-magnitude, etc.
45 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:50:57am |
re: #43 Silvergirl
There are so many great lines from Twelfth Night to be used here and there as the occasions arise. We need to do it more often. Once I get past Malvolio's yellow stockings and actually concentrate on the words, the story's full o gems.
Twelfth Night is so great-- I still have never read it, but saw a production some friends were in. I loved it. I didn't realise just how many quotations come from it (which is almost always my experience when seeing or reading a shakespeare play for the first time-- "hey, so that's where that's from!").
46 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:52:04am |
re: #42 iceweasel
Its a line I stole from Bert Brecht: "I, a [German] poet, stand above the grammarians."
It means I break my own rules when it suits me.
47 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:56:36am |
re: #44 abolitionist
I have to wonder how drivers will like it when cars reach the point where you're obliged to do a software update and a hard reboot in the middle of your daily commute.
48 | Silvergirl Fri, Jan 22, 2010 12:59:02am |
re: #45 iceweasel
Twelfth Night is so great-- I still have never read it, but saw a production some friends were in. I loved it. I didn't realise just how many quotations come from it (which is almost always my experience when seeing or reading a shakespeare play for the first time-- "hey, so that's where that's from!").
Long ago and far away I got to play Maria in a scene at a workshop, so not a full production, but fun and intense.
49 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:06:32am |
re: #46 Cato the Elder
Its a line I stole from Bert Brecht: "I, a [German] poet, stand above the grammarians."
It means I break my own rules when it suits me.
My wholly invented guess was that it meant "I am an American poet who stands above all others, including grammarians." Yay for inference to the best explanation!
52 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:12:38am |
re: #47 Cato the Elder
I have to wonder how drivers will like it when cars reach the point where you're obliged to do a software update and a hard reboot in the middle of your daily commute.
Ha! Another serious concern with the proliferation of electronic controls is the growing number of connections. I'd bet most bean counters have not a clue why some dissimilar metals in contact quickly corrode and others don't. And I'd bet most engineers do know --but who gets to decide in such matters?
Had a headlight fail in a 1970s era car. When I went to replace it, turned out to be minor corrosion problem at the connector. Imagine several dozens (hundreds?) of critical connections.
53 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:12:43am |
"Cymbeline." Now there's a neglected Shakespeare play.
The line about the mole on Imogen's left breast is worth mounting the production.
54 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:15:59am |
re: #53 Cato the Elder
"Cymbeline." Now there's a neglected Shakespeare play.
The line about the mole on Imogen's left breast is worth mounting the production.
Now I'll have to google that. I love Titus Andronicus. The Julie traynor (?) movie version with Anthony Hopkins is pretty amazing.
55 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:35:03am |
re: #33 Cato the Elder
Where the hell is everyone?
Um...me, myself and I...no....My friend invited my other friend and me...um...me and my friend.... to watch Yul Brenner in The King and Me....no, wait a minute, it was The King and I (the other one was Roger and Me - or was that Roger and I?)...shit. What was that rule again?... I haven't slept for two days; I'll figure it out.....
56 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:39:45am |
re: #41 Cato the Elder
Sonnet LXVI, the which proveth that the poet knows no law of "good style" that cannot be broken with impunity by him who knoweth what he doth, viz. run-on sentences and beginning ten lines with the self-same word.
EGO POETA AMERICANVS SVPRA GRAMMATICOS STO
Scanning those lines, I'm reminded of certain songs by Dylan - early period. The same semi-hypnotic rhythmic repetitions and accumulation of ideas and images.... It's too early in the morning for me to cite the examples, but I expect to recall a few as the neurons warm up.
58 | freetoken Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:52:15am |
61 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:05:15am |
"Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin."
63 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:07:55am |
Goodnight everyone...goodnight.... lights off soon....sleep night.....
66 | srb1976 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:19:04am |
re: #65 ryannon
Day shift should be arriving soon...
Morning! Just waiting for my very slow coffee maker to be done.....
67 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:31:17am |
ABC Video - Caught on Tape: Surfer Cheats Death
68 | SixDegrees Fri, Jan 22, 2010 2:32:43am |
re: #44 abolitionist
Toyota Recalls 2.3M Vehicles to Correct Sticking Accelerator PedalsThe thing is, these affected vehicles don't use classic mechanical or cable linkages for the "accellerator" function. They use electronic sensors and signaling, and ...software.
I have to wonder what percentage of C programmers understand the subtleties of unsigned, signed, and circular number lines; two's complement versus sign-magnitude, etc.
Given that all of the software peculiarities you mention are covered by sophomore year in any computer science curriculum, it's safe to say that the vast majority of C programmers know what they are and how to use them in programs. Most also learn to call them by their proper names, and use 'modular arithmetic' rather than 'circular number lines' when discussing a feature that is built into nearly every programming language, and is easily added if not.
Sounds like it's clearly a mechanical problem from the description in the article you linked. Replacing the obvious suspect parts cured it. I very much doubt Toyota would undertake a recall of 2.5 million vehicles to replace mechanical parts if there was a software problem that could be fixed much more cheaply.
I'd also hesitate to take the word of someone who, by his own description, was clearly panicking when the incident in question occurred. His contribution seems to have been to deliver a real-time example of the problem, but his observations were heavily influenced by adrenalin and probably aren't very reliable.
I'm putting this one in the drawer next to the 'Exploding Pyrex Bakeware' folder.
69 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:09:41am |
re: #68 SixDegrees
Appreciate the reply. The thing about a 'circular number line' versus the others I mentioned is that 'overflow' is generally not a concern. I've no problem with the name, modular arithmetic.
BTW,
Toyota says the recall of the "sticking gas pedals" covers Haggerty's problem, but he says his gas pedal was never stuck.
71 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:18:16am |
Finally, a good nights sleep!! Mornin' Honcos!! Coffee is thick like Pea Soup!!
72 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:19:13am |
Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!
73 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:21:51am |
re: #72 Boogberg
Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!
I feel ya. My aluminum can collection dropped like a stone.
/
75 | srb1976 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:22:26am |
re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar
Finally, a good nights sleep!! Mornin' Honcos!! Coffee is thick like Pea Soup!!
Not so much with the good nights sleep here, but the coffee is strong and now I'm off to work!
Later!
76 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:25:50am |
re: #74 RogueOne
Pretty pic. I love the desert, and dessert. Morning People.
It's a dry heat.
Good Morning Lizards. Took my 6 year old to the circus last night. We left at the intermission as he was ready to go home. He had fun though. I really appreciated the PETA protesters outside...Not.
77 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:26:48am |
re: #44 abolitionist
Toyota Recalls 2.3M Vehicles to Correct Sticking Accelerator PedalsThe thing is, these affected vehicles don't use classic mechanical or cable linkages for the "accellerator" function. They use electronic sensors and signaling, and ...software.
I have to wonder what percentage of C programmers understand the subtleties of unsigned, signed, and circular number lines; two's complement versus sign-magnitude, etc.
Sometimes the old-fashioned way is still the better way to go.
78 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:27:36am |
re: #76 rwdflynavy
I was in NYC a couple years ago and the circus was at MSG. Protesters everywhere. They soon learned they were just in the way. I love New Yorkers. Mornin'.
79 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:29:56am |
re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar
Not only that, but the government (you know, taxpayers) owns a huge chunk of Citigroup. the taxpayers' stake is now worth over $1 Billion less now. What a dumbass!
80 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:31:41am |
re: #76 rwdflynavy
It's a dry heat.
Right after OCS they sent me to Ft. Huachuca. Absolutely fell in love. Nothing but desert and mountains and not one tree over 6' tall.
81 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:31:45am |
re: #79 Boogberg
Not only that, but the government (you know, taxpayers) owns a huge chunk of Citigroup. the taxpayers' stake is now worth over $1 Billion less now. What a dumbass!
But, but...To big to fail, hope and change. Bernake.
/sorry for your loss (serious 'bout that part)
82 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:33:45am |
re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar
I forgot to add Turbo Tax Geithner.
84 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:34:34am |
re: #79 Boogberg
Not only that, but the government (you know, taxpayers) owns a huge chunk of Citigroup. the taxpayers' stake is now worth over $1 Billion less now. What a dumbass!
I've never had a problem getting money out of my bank....until this year. I'm busy enough that I need to bring in more people and I just picked up a really big job that I'm going to need to buy some machinery to finish. Normally I walk in and tell them how much I need and they cut a check a couple hours later, this time it's like pulling teeth.
85 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:36:07am |
re: #80 RogueOne
Right after OCS they sent me to Ft. Huachuca. Absolutely fell in love. Nothing but desert and mountains and not one tree over 6' tall.
The dry heat thing really is true. I'm in Jax FL. No dry heat here....
86 | laZardo Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:36:41am |
re: #76 rwdflynavy
It's a dry heat.
Good Morning Lizards. Took my 6 year old to the circus last night. We left at the intermission as he was ready to go home. He had fun though. I really appreciated the PETA protesters outside...Not.
87 | AK-47% Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:39:53am |
re: #72 Boogberg
Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!
How much was the portfolio worth before the crash and before Obama even took office?
88 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:41:50am |
re: #84 RogueOne
Business is picking up where I work too. We've been on reduced hours didn't for damn near a year. Finally going back to 40 hours next week (yay!).
90 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:46:06am |
re: #87 ralphieboy
Well fortunately I was all in cash before the crash. Started buying stocks on the way up but still, I'm not happy about giving any back on account of reckless remarks by the President.
91 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 3:53:35am |
The end is near. First this. I expect locust soon after.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
94 | Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:14:58am |
re: #14 Cato the Elder
Just so you know, People in Seattle don't tan. They rust.
95 | Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:21:04am |
And as I also head out to w*rk (early day and Mondays suck)
US firm to remove Biblical references on guns
Talk about a misleading headline. The fricking engravings were on the fricking aftermarket sights, not the fricking weapon. But hey, why let a little fricking FACT get in the way of a sensational headline.
BTW, did I happen to mention that Mondays suck?
L8R
96 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:27:03am |
re: #95 Bubblehead II
And as I also head out to w*rk (early day and Mondays suck)
BTW, did I happen to mention that Mondays suck?
L8R
Rainy days and Mondays...
TGIF
98 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:37:24am |
It's a sad day for me.
Paul Quarrington died yesterday.
He was a prolific author, musician, screen-writer and poet.
Paul loved sports and was crazy about fishing.
He was only 56.
99 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:40:15am |
Anyone have one of these new Mag-lite flashlights with the LED bulb? They're kinda expensive but holy crap! They're like friggin' laser beams.
100 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:43:08am |
re: #99 Boogberg
Anyone have one of these new Mag-lite flashlights with the LED bulb? They're kinda expensive but holy crap! They're like friggin' laser beams.
I have one. But, it's attached to a shark's frickin' head!
101 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:47:17am |
102 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:47:35am |
The nice thing about MagLites is that you can also give a nice beating to someone.
104 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:53:07am |
Fact: No team that has ever been beaten by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the regular season have gone on to win the Super Bowl. Sorry, New Orleans.
106 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:56:44am |
re: #98 Spare O'Lake
It's a sad day for me.
Paul Quarrington died yesterday.
He was a prolific author, musician, screen-writer and poet.
Paul loved sports and was crazy about fishing.
He was only 56.
Sorry to hear that. I notice on his Wiki page he did some work with Dan Hill. I have a Dan Hill album around here somewhere...
107 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:57:35am |
108 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 4:59:24am |
109 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:00:29am |
And, don't forget, son, there is someone up above.
111 | generalsparky Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:03:23am |
re: #105 MandyManners
Love it!
Enjoying the peace but I am going to have to get the kids up in a minute. We are going into the city to the Missouri History Museum today.
113 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:05:16am |
re: #111 generalsparky
Love it!
Enjoying the peace but I am going to have to get the kids up in a minute. We are going into the city to the Missouri History Museum today.
Oh, the hour before I get him up is precious.
I love him to pieces but, he is an energy-intensive project.
I cannot imagine my life without him.
114 | generalsparky Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:14:20am |
re: #113 MandyManners
Oh, the hour before I get him up is precious.
I love him to pieces but, he is an energy-intensive project.
I cannot imagine my life without him.
Ditto only times 3 lol
I love being able to play on the computer and enjoy my coffee before the craziness begins. I love the craziness but I do need some down time to recharge the batteries. My kid hauler was in the shop all week so we have a bit of cabin fever going on around here. This field trip will do all some good!
115 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:16:28am |
re: #114 generalsparky
Ditto only times 3 lol
I love being able to play on the computer and enjoy my coffee before the craziness begins. I love the craziness but I do need some down time to recharge the batteries. My kid hauler was in the shop all week so we have a bit of cabin fever going on around here. This field trip will do all some good!
I cannot imagine multiplying by three.
Bless yiou!
116 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:20:22am |
re: #111 generalsparky
That brings back memories. :)
I lived in Hillsboro, MO back in the late 80's. I was a plumber's helper with Dependable Plumbing and Sewer in the City.
117 | generalsparky Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:21:28am |
re: #115 MandyManners
I cannot imagine multiplying by three.
Bless yiou!
Thank you!
I am very blessed :-)
I am very much a girly girl. I like to sew, cook, pink is my favorite color, wear skirts, etc, so there are many days I wonder what God was thinking giving me 3 boys lol
119 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:24:35am |
Morning everyone. This story only surprises me because I thought they were already gone:
Air America Shuts Down, Citing 'Difficult Economic Environment'
This has been a good week for schadenfreude.
120 | generalsparky Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:25:15am |
re: #116 Boogberg
Cool! I grew up in Missouri. My husband is active duty Air Force and we live on the other side of the river but St. Louis is close and has a lot to offer.
122 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:28:20am |
123 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:31:25am |
some things never change ... pat buchanan figures out why Scott Brown won in Massachusetts and (you won't believe this) it's all about politicians not listening to white folks!
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
I suppose it doesn't matter that martha coakley was an awful candidate. In the world of "buchanan the nazi," it's ALWAYS about race.
124 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:32:05am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not the first failure of BDS... but a funny one.
Although I don't like to see anybody lose a job. Engineers and stuff go down with it too. But, for the talent?
Well, cue Marcos.
125 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:32:33am |
By the way, cake donuts are neither cake nor donuts.
126 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:32:54am |
Ugh. What a creep:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Do you believe that homosexuals are 12 times more likely to molest children?" attorney David Boies asked.
"Yeah, based on the different literature that I have read," Tam replied.
Earlier in the trial, a Cambridge University professor testified that there is no evidence to suggest that gays are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals. Boies pressed Tam to cite books, articles or authors he had read to substantiate the views, but Tam said he could not remember specifics.
Definitely not my favorite fellow San Franciscan.
127 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:33:38am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. This story only surprises me because I thought they were already gone:
Air America Shuts Down, Citing 'Difficult Economic Environment'
This has been a good week for schadenfreude.
I take no pleasure in this development. As someone who works in the media, it always makes me sad when another potential employer of my breathren goes bust. Granted, AA was a piece of shit with a bad message and poor ratings, but I liked that they were around.
128 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:33:53am |
Good morning, scaly people. Are we a calm cool collective this morning?
129 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:34:22am |
re: #127 _RememberTonyC
Kind of what I said, but, you said it with more heart.
130 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:34:34am |
re: #119 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. This story only surprises me because I thought they were already gone:
Air America Shuts Down, Citing 'Difficult Economic Environment'
This has been a good week for schadenfreude.
No, they never actually shut down, they just lost what little talent they'd managed to recruit. Good riddance.
131 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:35:16am |
re: #123 _RememberTonyC
some things never change ... pat buchanan figures out why Scott Brown won in Massachusetts and (you won't believe this) it's all about politicians not listening to white folks!
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
I suppose it doesn't matter that martha coakley was an awful candidate. In the world of "buchanan the nazi," it's ALWAYS about race.
yep. BTW, I don't know what the official policy is on linking WND but I think it's preferred we not link them directly, so here's the google cache link for you in case yours gets edited:
[Link: 74.125.93.132...]
132 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:35:25am |
re: #128 thedopefishlives
Good morning, scaly people. Are we a calm cool collective this morning?
COMMIE!
133 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:35:52am |
re: #131 iceweasel
Whoops, quoted the WND link, sorry: [Link: 74.125.93.132...]
134 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:36:28am |
135 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:36:59am |
re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Kind of what I said, but, you said it with more heart.
i didn't know anyone who worked there, but it's always hard to find good gigs in the media. I suppose AA will soon be forgotten, but at least they can claim they helped put al franken in the senate.
136 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:38:12am |
re: #131 iceweasel
yep. BTW, I don't know what the official policy is on linking WND but I think it's preferred we not link them directly, so here's the google cache link for you in case yours gets edited:
[Link: 74.125.93.132...]
didn't even realize i was linking wnd .... i grabbed it off drudge and did not look at the source. hopefully i didn't introduce any malware or viruses to LGF
137 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:40:13am |
re: #120 generalsparky
Yeah St. Louis is awesome. I used to love doing plumbing work in some of those huge old mansions in the City with giant 10 feet wide staircases.
138 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:40:27am |
re: #135 _RememberTonyC
UGH!
Oh. I have I mentioned I am hating Minnesota for the next five years?
GEAUX SAINTS!
139 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:40:42am |
re: #136 _RememberTonyC
didn't even realize i was linking wnd ... i grabbed it off drudge and did not look at the source. hopefully i didn't introduce any malware or viruses to LGF
I think it's a good post and I'm glad you made it; I'm also not sure if the official policy here is to not link to them-- I just provided the cache in case. No criticism of you implied at all!
140 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:41:45am |
re: #135 _RememberTonyC
I suppose AA will soon be forgotten, but at least they can claim they helped put al franken in the senate.
GAH, please don't remind me that my adopted state has to bear the responsibility for putting that tool into power.
141 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:07am |
re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way, cake donuts are neither cake nor donuts.
But they are soooo good!
143 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:15am |
re: #139 iceweasel
I think it's a good post and I'm glad you made it; I'm also not sure if the official policy here is to not link to them-- I just provided the cache in case. No criticism of you implied at all!
No worries, Ice. I was not offended. Older Lizards are known for their thick skin.
144 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:46am |
Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.
Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...
145 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:42:58am |
re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
UGH!
Oh. I have I mentioned I am hating Minnesota for the next five years?
GEAUX SAINTS!
Mary Landriaux vs Al Franken .... there are no winners here :)
Go Saints
146 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:43:48am |
re: #145 _RememberTonyC
Mary Landriaux vs Al Franken ... there are no winners here :)
Go Saints
Landrieu
and
Geaux.
147 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:44:09am |
re: #140 thedopefishlives
GAH, please don't remind me that my adopted state has to bear the responsibility for putting that tool into power.
what do you folks put in the water up there?
Ventura?
Bachmann?
Franken?
148 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:44:26am |
re: #141 reine.de.tout
But they are sooo good!
No they're not! There dried up sacks of crap!
(Pay no attention to that powdered sugar on my shirt)
149 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:45:27am |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
Landrieu
and
Geaux.
Thanks ... I was too lazy to check the spelling ... but I figured I was close enough!
150 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:45:59am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.
Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...
Could be worse. I live in the DC area and look like Dan Snyder's twin brother.
151 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:46:11am |
re: #147 _RememberTonyC
what do you folks put in the water up there?
Ventura?
Bachmann?
Franken?
LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
152 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:46:53am |
re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No they're not! There dried up sacks of crap!
(Pay no attention to that powdered sugar on my shirt)
FBV -
If you like beignet-style doughnuts - here's a mix - - just add powdered sugar. And don't talk, laugh or sneeze while sitting over a plate of beignets.
153 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:47:52am |
re: #149 _RememberTonyC
Thanks ... I was too lazy to check the spelling ... but I figured I was close enough!
We knew who you were talking about. So - you're right.
154 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:48:50am |
re: #152 reine.de.tout
FBV -
If you like beignet-style doughnuts - here's a mix - - just add powdered sugar. And don't talk, laugh or sneeze while sitting over a plate of beignets.
I had beignets for the first time two years ago at that famour outdoor coffee place in NOLA when I was at the NBA All Star game ... what is the name of the joint? Those things were like little gut bombs.
155 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:49:20am |
re: #154 _RememberTonyC
I had beignets for the first time two years ago at that famour outdoor coffee place in NOLA when I was at the NBA All Star game ... what is the name of the joint? Those things were like little gut bombs.
Cafe du Monde.
156 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:50:15am |
157 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:50:25am |
re: #154 _RememberTonyC
I had beignets for the first time two years ago at that famour outdoor coffee place in NOLA when I was at the NBA All Star game ... what is the name of the joint? Those things were like little gut bombs.
And you have to eat them when they're just cooked - otherwise, ew. I bet you got some from a batch that had been sitting a bit.
158 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:50:55am |
Anyone remember who the nice lizard was that posted the doberman video link last week?
[Link: blogs.chron.com...]
Is a poodle smarter than your roommate?
The good news: Dogs are as smart as 2-year-old kids, can comprehend more than 150 words (although "super dogs" can understand 250), and can count up to four or five. The bad news: They are "consciously deceptive" and trick people into giving them what they want. "And they are nearly as successful in deceiving humans as humans are in deceiving dogs," Coren said. But you knew that.Here are the smarties:
No. 1: Border collies
No. 2: Poodles
No. 3: German shepherds
No. 4: Golden retrievers
No. 5: Dobermans
No. 6: Shetland sheepdogs
No. 7: Labrador retrievers
Dobies were robbed. They're much smarter than shepherds but you have to be more gentle in their training.
159 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:51:39am |
Hey Lizards!
Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!
How are you-all?
160 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:52:09am |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
And you have to eat them when they're just cooked - otherwise, ew. I bet you got some from a batch that had been sitting a bit.
could be ... they were sorta warm but I didn't care .... I was with a VERY fun crowd!
161 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:52:29am |
re: #158 RogueOne
Anyone remember who the nice lizard was that posted the doberman video link last week?
[Link: blogs.chron.com...]
Is a poodle smarter than your roommate?
Dobies were robbed. They're much smarter than shepherds but you have to be more gentle in their training.
My dog is a chihuahua/terrier mix.
Really weird looking little dog.
But smart and honestly - the best dog in the world. Really.
He's fearless.
162 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:52:46am |
re: #159 ggt
Hey Lizards!
Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!
How are you-all?
hungry ...
163 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:53:26am |
hey folks ..... gonna check out for awhile .... BBL!
164 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:53:39am |
re: #158 RogueOne
Have you heard of Rico the German border collie?
[Link: www.genomenewsnetwork.org...]
165 | Boogberg Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:53:52am |
re: #162 _RememberTonyC
Yes. I need bacon and lots of it. :D
166 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:56:40am |
re: #164 Mad Al-Jaffee
Have you heard of Rico the German border collie?
[Link: www.genomenewsnetwork.org...]
I think I saw a video of him on a euro tv show. They had what looked like a hundred toys in a circle. His owner would call out a toy and he'd run and grab it. Smart, smart dog.
168 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:57:58am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.
Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...
Did it make you cry?
169 | Ojoe Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:58:36am |
Fine photo Charles. Perhaps there would be a way to post some of your LGF photos as larger file screen savers?
Anyway fine photo.
170 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 5:59:17am |
Good morning, all you jokers. It's Friday! Yay!
171 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:00:56am |
re: #120 generalsparky
Cool! I grew up in Missouri. My husband is active duty Air Force and we live on the other side of the river but St. Louis is close and has a lot to offer.
St. Louis is a great city. A nice mix of what I consider my 2 hometowns, Detroit and Cincinnati. Big fan of river cities.
172 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:01:00am |
Cajun who died went to hell..
The devil assigned him the usual punishment...put him in the mass pit where the heat was melting others. The devil came back sometime later surprised to find the Cajun just sitting around, not even misting, much less sweating. "How come you're not so much as sweating here where everyone else is screaming for relief from the heat?"
The Cajun laughed and said, "Man, I was raised in the bayous of Sout Looziana. Dis ain't nothin' but May in Lafayette to me!"
The devil decided to really put the Cajun through it. He put him in a sealed off cave in the pit with open blazes and four extra furnaces blasting. When he came back, days later, the Cajun was sitting pretty, had barely begun to bead up with sweat. The devil was outraged. "How is this possible!? You should be melted to a shrieking puddle in these conditions!."
The Cajun laughed even harder than before. "Hey, man! I done tole you. I was raised in Sout Looziana. You tink dis is heat?! Dis ain't nothin' but August in Jennings !"
So the devil thought, 'Alright, a little reverse ought to do the trick.' He put the Cajun into a corner of hell where no heat ever reached. It was freezing and to add to the Cajun's misery, he added massive icebergs and blasting frozen air. When he returned, the Cajun was shivering, ice hung from every part of him but he was grinning like it was Christmas.
Exasperated, the devil asked "HOW!? How is it possible?! You're impervious to heat and here you sit in conditions you can't be used to...freezing cold and yet you're happier than if you were in heaven. WHY?!"
The Cajun kept grinning and asked, "Dis mean de Saints won da Super Bowl!"
173 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:04:46am |
Okay, this is odd.
Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.
A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.
Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.
174 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:05:44am |
re: #172 reine.de.tout
That's awesome. But sorry, it'll be Vikings by 14 ;)
175 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:05:49am |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, this is odd.
Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.
A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.
Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.
Or the bristles are made of melamine.
176 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:06:31am |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, this is odd.
Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.
A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.
Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.
Cadmium.
177 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:07:32am |
re: #150 Mad Al-Jaffee
The sadness deepens...
178 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:09:33am |
Gotta git! Y'all have some fun, and "Be excellent to each other".
179 | generalsparky Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:10:28am |
re: #171 RogueOne
St. Louis is a great city. A nice mix of what I consider my 2 hometowns, Detroit and Cincinnati. Big fan of river cities.
I grew up in mid-MO and so I was pretty much in between Kansas City and St. Louis give or take a few miles. We always headed to St. Louis for shopping, zoo, science center, etc over Kansas City. St. Louis is a really great city :-)
180 | prairiefire Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:11:45am |
re: #158 RogueOne
Do you mean this one?
That beautiful girl is Ramsey of Ramsey and Pablo (a chihuahua) fame.
181 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:13:09am |
re: #180 prairiefire
That's the one! I try to remember who the dog lovers are (because they're just better than cat-people) but sometimes I have short-term memory issues.
182 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:14:33am |
re: #181 RogueOne
That's the one! I try to remember who the dog lovers are (because they're just better than cat-people) but sometimes I have short-term memory issues.
What about people who like cats AND dogs?
For the record, I love cats. Sure, they may not be as cool as dogs, but I find them intelligent and self-maintaining (for the most part) animals. Plus, there's nothing like the feeling of passing out on the couch and waking up with a purring animal on your stomach.
183 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:15:32am |
re: #182 thedopefishlives
What about people who like cats AND dogs?
You mean the ones who want cats and dogs living together?!!
184 | prairiefire Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:16:26am |
This blogspot is a lot of fun. A doberman and chihuahua living together in harmony. Ramsey and Pablo Blogspot:[Link: ramseyandpablo.blogspot.com...]
185 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:17:11am |
Have a wonderful day all!
BTW, for the records, I fall under the Cat & Dog category.
186 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:19:57am |
re: #183 Mad Al-Jaffee
You mean the ones who want cats and dogs living together?!!
Psh, no. I don't know if I'll ever own another dog. Although the Mrs. Fish does want to get a chihuahua, I think my cats would probably eat it.
187 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:20:56am |
re: #182 thedopefishlives
Your cat is trying to find out if you're still alive so it knows if it can eat you or not.
[Link: www.denisleary.com...]
When’s the last time you stood at a street corner waiting for the walk sign to blink to life while a blind guy wearing wraparound sunglasses and carrying a cane sidled up to you — miraculously unafraid and NOT bumping into anything or anyone — because of the efforts of his faithful, duty-bound, Seeing Eye CAT? Never? That would be the universal answer.
There is no Cat Whisperer.
A cat could give two catshits if you are in a good mood or a bad mood. The only time he/she/it decides to rub against your lower leg and purr its purry little purr is when it’s
1. Hungry
2. Really hungry
3. Hungry and in heatDogs have a snout that breaks into a doggie smile when they greet you. Cats just sit there and glare.
Dogs dream. They run and yelp and spout muted barks of warning — even as their eyes are closed — probably protecting you from some awful, unknown entity.
Cats nap. Hoping that you fall into a deep, deep sleep. So they can then begin their secret, evil rounds.
188 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:22:21am |
re: #186 thedopefishlives
You didn't get my Ghostbusters reference?
189 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:22:52am |
re: #188 Mad Al-Jaffee
You didn't get my Ghostbusters reference?
Nope. It's been YEARS since I've been in that genre, sorry.
190 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:27:34am |
re: #182 thedopefishlives
What about people who like cats AND dogs?
For the record, I love cats. Sure, they may not be as cool as dogs, but I find them intelligent and self-maintaining (for the most part) animals. Plus, there's nothing like the feeling of passing out on the couch and waking up with a purring animal on your stomach.
Two dogs, one cat. I'm with you on the waking up to purring cat thing (mine prefers to lay down 2 inches from my nose). But I'm allergic to cats, so the effect of this for me is that my wakeups come with 30 minutes of sneezing and I have a box-a-day kleenex habit.
191 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:28:27am |
Good morning Lizards!
A little over freezing and light overcast here in Philly.
A couple of overnight report jobs went belly-up due to a database issue, so it's scrambling to re-run while getting the initial cup of tea drunk. (Company coffee here is bad, really bad, so I went back to drinking tea for my morning caffeine hit.)
192 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:29:31am |
re: #190 cliffster
Two dogs, one cat. I'm with you on the waking up to purring cat thing (mine prefers to lay down 2 inches from my nose). But I'm allergic to cats, so the effect of this for me is that my wakeups come with 30 minutes of sneezing and I have a box-a-day kleenex habit.
Well, mine don't usually sleep with me because I rarely sleep on the couch anymore. That'll probably change once I get moved into the new fishbowl and have an actually living room to, y'know, LIVE in.
193 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:29:44am |
re: #189 thedopefishlives
Nope. It's been YEARS since I've been in that genre, sorry.
First the cat thing and then the ghostbusters diss? I'm starting to grow concerned//
194 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:30:58am |
re: #191 oaktree
Good morning Lizards!
A little over freezing and light overcast here in Philly.
A couple of overnight report jobs went belly-up due to a database issue, so it's scrambling to re-run while getting the initial cup of tea drunk. (Company coffee here is bad, really bad, so I went back to drinking tea for my morning caffeine hit.)
So your report jobs and the country's jobs report are pretty much in the same place?
195 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:30:58am |
196 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:31:15am |
re: #191 oaktree
Morning to you.
I almost always have breakfast and coffee at home before I leave for work. I've gotten pretty good making pseudo lattes. I brew a strong, small cup of coffee in my stovetop moka express and add it to some frothed milk. If I don't have time, I go across the street at work and get a $1.75 espresso from the local sandwich/coffee shop.
197 | darthstar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:33:45am |
re: #191 oaktree
Good morning Lizards!
A little over freezing and light overcast here in Philly.
A couple of overnight report jobs went belly-up due to a database issue, so it's scrambling to re-run while getting the initial cup of tea drunk. (Company coffee here is bad, really bad, so I went back to drinking tea for my morning caffeine hit.)
I have a cup of PG Tips every morning. Good tea. I also drink coffee when I get to work.
Mornin' all.
198 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:34:58am |
re: #194 cliffster
So your report jobs and the country's jobs report are pretty much in the same place?
No. Recovery on my side is much easier to understand and implement. Quite a difference between a country of 300 million people and a large-scale economy and a fairly simple set of financial reports generating under a batch job.
199 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:35:28am |
re: #174 cliffster
That's awesome. But sorry, it'll be Vikings by 14 ;)
Wouldn't that be nice, but then, pressure would really mount to avoid losing the SB yet again.
202 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:36:53am |
Awhile back we were having a conversation and there were people skeptical that the gov't would deal in illegal substances and put them out on the street just to catch "bad guys". This story isn't about drugs, but they did put 250 million illegal cig's out there to catch smugglers:
[Link: www.thenewstribune.com...]
Undercover ATF agents in Virginia have funneled more than 250 million cigarettes onto the nation's streets in the past three years through black market sales targeting smugglers, an Associated Press review has found.Authorities say the flood of government-provided smokes - a pack and a half for every man, woman and child in New York City, the smugglers' main destination - leads them to organized crime rings and can even cut off financing for terrorists. The stings by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have yielded about five dozen federal arrests, albeit none on terror charges.
Many of those cigarettes undoubtedly wind up in the mouths of minors, since black market vendors have no reason to turn away teenage purchasers.
If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.
203 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:41:04am |
re: #199 Semper Fi
Wouldn't that be nice, but then, pressure would really mount to avoid losing the SB yet again.
I'm not sure who to root for in that game. I'd love to see Brees make it but I'm more confident the colts can beat the vike's. Plus, I'd love to see Freeney/Mathis make Favre look bad.
204 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:41:09am |
re: #202 RogueOne
Should I shout Allah Akbar as I light my Pall Mall?
/
205 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:41:11am |
206 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:42:13am |
207 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:42:44am |
209 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:44:10am |
re: #205 MandyManners
That reminds me - yesterday was Leadbelly's birthday.
210 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:44:34am |
So distracted by the thought of Vikings on sunday forgot to say good morning and mention the weather is in 'clearing' mode overall. Ventura, CA has seen much rain and wind with a funnel touching down, I'm told.
211 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:47:22am |
re: #208 iceweasel
Can you still be the one who's awesome and stops, rather than carrying it on?
Because that'd be like, double-awesome.
212 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:47:34am |
re: #202 RogueOne
[snip] If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.
Where are you getting that? Some funding for terrorism has been raised by bootlegging cig's - the illegal (untaxed or less-taxed) stuff, typically moved to NYC, where state and local taxes are higher. The feds are going after bootleg distribution channels, partly for that reason.
213 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:47:59am |
214 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:49:57am |
re: #211 Obdicut
Can you still be the one who's awesome and stops, rather than carrying it on?
Because that'd be like, double-awesome.
Thanks!
I don't intend to carry it on, but every once in a while it's necessary to call out someone who repeatedly makes that kind of comment.
This was such an instance.
215 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:51:18am |
re: #203 RogueOne
I'm not sure who to root for in that game. I'd love to see Brees make it but I'm more confident the colts can beat the vike's. Plus, I'd love to see Freeney/Mathis make Favre look bad.
I feel somewhat similarly except for the Favre part. I truly feel the Saints should win handily. The Vikings however, are capable of winning by putting together a good/great team effort. If the latter happens, I'm afraid it would set them up for Manning (who is great) with a predictable outcome.
Never-the-less, I'm a Viking fan because of Favre.
216 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:51:50am |
Interesting article about capitalism in the US:
[Link: www.cnbc.com...]
Here's a longer piece by him about the economic meltdown, from earlier in this year:
[Link: www.vanityfair.com...]
217 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:51:52am |
re: #212 abolitionist
[snip] If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.
Where are you getting that? Some funding for terrorism has been raised by bootlegging cig's - the illegal (untaxed or less-taxed) stuff, typically moved to NYC, where state and local taxes are higher. The feds are going after bootleg distribution channels, partly for that reason.
FTA:
The stings by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have yielded about five dozen federal arrests, albeit none on terror charges.
....
While there have been terrorists who have made money through cigarette smuggling, it's far more common to find smugglers linked to organized crime, said John W. Colledge III, a Nevada-based consultant who once ran large-scale cigarette smuggling investigations for the U.S. Customs Service."Unfortunately, terrorism has become a sort of a buzzword," he said. "That's what gets you funding."
99% of the people busted are just trying to get around tax increases.
218 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:53:52am |
219 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:54:08am |
220 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:55:08am |
re: #215 Semper Fi
Brees is an adopted hoosier since he played at Purdue. Plus, the feeling around here is they'd love to see Manning vs. what's really his hometown team and the team his dad played with all those years they flat-out sucked.
221 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:56:12am |
re: #218 Mad Al-Jaffee
Space Shuttle Challenger Explosion, 1986: Ten-year-old Walt Sudul, of Racine, WI, made friends with a Jewish boy at school
I laughed, probably shouldn't have, but I did.
222 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:57:35am |
re: #215 Semper Fi
I feel somewhat similarly except for the Favre part. I truly feel the Saints should win handily. The Vikings however, are capable of winning by putting together a good/great team effort. If the latter happens, I'm afraid it would set them up for Manning (who is great) with a predictable outcome.
Never-the-less, I'm a Viking fan because of Favre.
I've never seen anyone do some of the stuff Favre is doing this year. He's the best in the game, with the possible exception of Manning (Peyton-style). That's why it's going to be Colts/Vikings. And that's gonna be one hell of a show.
223 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 6:57:59am |
re: #218 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's brilliant!
* Eruption of Mount St. Helens, 1980: Divine wrath was incurred when people were too busy enjoying the natural beauty of Washington state and not spending enough time appreciating God
* Space Shuttle Challenger Explosion, 1986: Ten-year-old Walt Sudul, of Racine, WI, made friends with a Jewish boy at school
* Crash of American Airlines Flight 587, 2001: Though the flight was filled with pious individuals, God was distracted by a masturbating 14-year-old in Boise, ID and was therefore unable to keep the aircraft from falling apart in midair, like all planes would without His loving intervention* Columbine High School Massacre, 1999: Tinky Winky
* Indian Ocean Tsunami, 2004: Newlyweds Todd and Nancy Tate experimented with non-missionary sex during their honeymoon
224 | abolitionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:00:58am |
re: #217 RogueOne
99% of the people busted are just trying to get around tax increases.
So how are those 99% (and others who don't buy from smugglers) supporting terrorism?
225 | darthstar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:04:33am |
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
226 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:06:08am |
re: #224 abolitionist
So how are those 99% (and others who don't buy from smugglers) supporting terrorism?
They aren't. Should I have added the obvious sarc tag? My main reason for commenting on the story was to point out the feds have no moral qualms in dealing illegal substances. The smoking=terrorism line of reasoning struck me funny.
227 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:08:27am |
re: #225 darthstar
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
Oh, that's right. We're all just fucking sheep who do as our masters bid us.
Eeeevill Korporashuns.
228 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:08:41am |
re: #225 darthstar
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
Exactly. How is a grass-roots guy like Obama supposed to compete when he could only raise $650 million under the old rules.
229 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:09:04am |
re: #225 darthstar
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
I'm sorry... thanks to SCOTUS for upholding the US Constitution? Is that really what you mean?
Really?
232 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:14am |
re: #228 RogueOne
Exactly. How is a grass-roots guy like Obama supposed to compete when he could only raise $650 million under the old rules.
My bad, $750 Million.
[Link: www.opensecrets.org...]
233 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:16am |
234 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:36am |
re: #225 darthstar
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
Yeah, I posted this in spinoffs last night from the SCOTUSblog:
[Link: www.scotusblog.com...]
Even if he's determined to do something about it, options are very limited.
235 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:10:56am |
236 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:10am |
re: #230 _RememberTonyC
Is there anyone here who knows London?
Some of us, I think, somewhat. What did you need to know?
238 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:17am |
re: #233 CapeCoddah
It is in England.
also Ontario for you hockey fans ... I've never been to the UK but may go in 2011
239 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:25am |
re: #229 CapeCoddah
I'm sorry... thanks to SCOTUS for upholding the US Constitution? Is that really what you mean?
Really?
Korporashuns are eeevilll.
240 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:11:38am |
241 | RadicalModerate Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:04am |
Well, I wonder if there's second thoughts about this one yet?
Leno to headline White House correspondents' dinner
A great PR move on their part would be to issue a statement something like "Sorry Jay, but it appears that our first choice, Conan O'Brien suddenly found an opening in his schedule and was able to appear after all".
243 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:44am |
re: #236 iceweasel
Some of us, I think, somewhat. What did you need to know?
local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London
244 | gymmom Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:12:54am |
re: #240 Mad Al-Jaffee
I think he wrote Call of the Wild.
And HS students across America still haven't forgiven him.
245 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:11am |
246 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:12am |
re: #237 RogueOne
No, it's in KY.
[Link: maps.google.com...]
Like Paris, Maine? Could not find the Eiffel Tower....there was a toothpick factory, though.
247 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:14am |
re: #225 darthstar
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
"excess profits"?!?!?
248 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:18am |
re: #239 MandyManners
Korporashuns are eeevilll.
Runaway corporate funding does not bode well for democracy.
249 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:21am |
re: #243 _RememberTonyC
local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London
Don't drive on the right side of the road.
250 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:22am |
re: #220 RogueOne
Brees is an adopted hoosier since he played at Purdue. Plus, the feeling around here is they'd love to see Manning vs. what's really his hometown team and the team his dad played with all those years they flat-out sucked.
I'm sure Archie is proud of his son's accomplishments. Colts vs Saints in the SB would, I think, be a game the fans could count on as deserving of the Super hype.
251 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:13:48am |
252 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:07am |
re: #239 MandyManners
Korporashuns are eeevilll.
All those evil bastards employing PEOPLE! Feeding families, paying mortgages... those sons of bitches.
253 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:21am |
re: #248 shala
Runaway corporate funding does not bode well for democracy.
KILL TEH EEEVILLL KORPORASHUNS!
254 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:22am |
re: #249 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't drive on the right side of the road.
this is a gawd damn tough room ...
255 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:34am |
256 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:44am |
re: #253 MandyManners
KILL TEH EEEVILLL KORPORASHUNS!
Or you could reply to what I actually said. :D
257 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:14:54am |
One FARK link and then I'll quit. Who else though would find a story like this:
Cops tug to top
Police, students support Porcupine United Way
[Link: www.timminspress.com...]
With a must-see pic of a tug-of-war contest.
258 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:00am |
re: #252 CapeCoddah
All those evil bastards employing PEOPLE! Feeding families, paying mortgages... those sons of bitches.
And, paying dividends to those scummy investors!
259 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:26am |
260 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:34am |
re: #243 _RememberTonyC
local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London
Take your own toothbrush.
261 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:15:59am |
262 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:16:23am |
re: #248 shala
Runaway corporate funding does not bode well for democracy.
There are only so much demand for tie dyed T-Shirt shops and Health Food stands
The rest of us poor schlobs have to work somewhere !!
263 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:16:49am |
re: #258 MandyManners
And, paying dividends to those scummy investors!
Not to mention funding 401K and retirment plans
264 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:17:22am |
265 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:17:50am |
re: #262 Sattv4u2
There are only so much demand for tie dyed T-Shirt shops and Health Food stands
The rest of us poor schlobs have to work somewhere !!
Hey, quote me the part where I said corporations are inherently evil and useless and I'll happily take it back.
266 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:17:53am |
267 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:04am |
re: #229 CapeCoddah
I'm sorry... thanks to SCOTUS for upholding the US Constitution? Is that really what you mean?
Really?
The question should be, how come the constitution has been violated for so long if it that simple; and I would add, where is my right as a corporate shareholder to vote on any proposed political donations?
I suppose the latter has no constitutional relevance?/
Smells of the politics of the day to me.
268 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:15am |
269 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:30am |
re: #243 _RememberTonyC
local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London
Sure, give me a few secs and I'll write some up, designed specifically for Americans who haven't been to the UK or London before. No doubt others will have more to add as well.
BRB
270 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:18:45am |
re: #256 shala
Or you could reply to what I actually said. :D
Taking free speech from ANYONE is the antithesis of democracy. Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations and the PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVINGS WITH THEM.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?
271 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:19:41am |
re: #265 shala
Hey, quote me the part where I said corporations are inherently evil and useless and I'll happily take it back.
"runaway" was meant as a compliment? My bad !
/
272 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:20:02am |
re: #261 shala
Eh, there's just no talking to you, is there.
you got the answer your assinine statement deserved.
273 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:20:04am |
re: #269 iceweasel
Sure, give me a few secs and I'll write some up, designed specifically for Americans who haven't been to the UK or London before. No doubt others will have more to add as well.
BRB
thanks Ice ...
274 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:20:31am |
re: #270 CapeCoddah
Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations
I don't agree with that second part.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?
I also don't think unions should be able to fund campaigns, either.
275 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:21:20am |
re: #266 _RememberTonyC
check ...
how much in US dollars is 200 lbs sterling?
As weak as the U.S. dollar is at the moment I'd guess, $12,000.
276 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:21:27am |
I'm glad to see Charles is back online.
I was afraid we would have to discharge the Lizard Army to free him from the cold icy grasp of the TSA.
277 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:21:51am |
re: #266 _RememberTonyC
check ...
how much in US dollars is 200 lbs sterling?
About 323.00 USD. Exchange rate has been hovering around 61 cents to the pound. Some days it bounces up to 63 or so. It's shit, basically. There are a few apps you can install to track it on your desktop or elsewhere minute by minute.
BRB with more
278 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:01am |
re: #275 RogueOne
As weak as the U.S. dollar is at the moment I'd guess, $12,000.
Hopefully it's closer to $500 ...
279 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:08am |
re: #267 Naso Tang
The question should be, how come the constitution has been violated for so long if it that simple; and I would add, where is my right as a corporate shareholder to vote on any proposed political donations?
I suppose the latter has no constitutional relevance?/
Smells of the politics of the day to me.
The court can only take up what has been brought before it.. this was the frst time it was challenged that far. We got the answer, which most of knew was the right one from day one with McCain- Feingold.
280 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:27am |
re: #271 Sattv4u2
"runaway" was meant as a compliment? My bad !
/
It was meant as a qualifier, actually. Mild levels of corporate funding--I can't see causing too much of a problem. Runaway levels--I could see causing a problem.
281 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:47am |
re: #277 iceweasel
About 323.00 USD. Exchange rate has been hovering around 61 cents to the pound. Some days it bounces up to 63 or so. It's shit, basically. There are a few apps you can install to track it on your desktop or elsewhere minute by minute.
BRB with more
great to know .... thanks again ...
282 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:22:56am |
re: #278 _RememberTonyC
Hopefully it's closer to $500 ...
If weasel is right, and I'd assume she is, give it a few more weeks and it'll be closer to the $500 you wanted.
283 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:15am |
re: #243 _RememberTonyC
local knowledge to avoid rookie mistakes in London
"An elevator is called a 'lift', a mile is called a 'kilometer', and
botulism is called 'steak and kidney pie'."
-Marj Simpson
284 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:18am |
re: #270 CapeCoddah
Taking free speech from ANYONE is the antithesis of democracy. Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations and the PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVINGS WITH THEM.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?
285 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:24am |
re: #267 Naso Tang
The question should be, how come the constitution has been violated for so long if it that simple; and I would add, where is my right as a corporate shareholder to vote on any proposed political donations?
I suppose the latter has no constitutional relevance?/
Smells of the politics of the day to me.
You have the right not to invest in a company that supports candidates you do not support. Simple.
286 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:45am |
re: #222 cliffster
I've never seen anyone do some of the stuff Favre is doing this year. He's the best in the game, with the possible exception of Manning (Peyton-style). That's why it's going to be Colts/Vikings. And that's gonna be one hell of a show.
If both QB's were 'on' it certainly would be a treat to watch. I'd prefer a close, lead changing game with great line effort on both sides and the final TD caught, juggled, and finally controlled one-handed to overshadow the great helmet-catch of another SB.
287 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:23:48am |
re: #281 _RememberTonyC
Why you headed to london? Going to find your roots or business?
288 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:24:30am |
re: #270 CapeCoddah
Taking free speech from ANYONE is the antithesis of democracy. Those corporations pay enormous taxes and have every right to support candidates that will do the right thing for those corporations and the PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEIR LIVINGS WITH THEM.
Are you also advocating taking away the free speech rights from unions? Or do those PEOPLE have special rights in your eyes?
And again I ask, where does the term "public (owned) corporation" fit into all this? Am I to be forced to ask (and never get an answer) for the political stances of management and how much of my dividends they will use to influence politics instead of business plans before I decide to invest?
Privately owned businesses can do what they want. Public owned business is a different category.
289 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:24:33am |
re: #279 CapeCoddah
The court can only take up what has been brought before it.. this was the frst time it was challenged that far. We got the answer, which most of knew was the right one from day one with McCain- Feingold.
EEEBILLL...EEEBILLL...U R TEH DEBILLL
290 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:10am |
re: #289 MandyManners
EEEBILLL...EEEBILLL...U R TEH DEBILLL
I work for a corporation. Does that make me eeebilll too?
291 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:27am |
re: #272 CapeCoddah
you got the answer your assinine statement deserved.
Mind letting me know what was asinine about it? I know sometimes I can sound disingenuous, but I talk in all sincerity here. Unless it's time for sarcasm, of course.
292 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:51am |
re: #280 shala
It was meant as a qualifier, actually. Mild levels of corporate funding--I can't see causing too much of a problem. Runaway levels--I could see causing a problem.
I see. So who is to determine what "mild-level" is as opposed to "runaway levels"?
Should there be a hard dollar number cap? A percentage of profits? A percenatge of profit margin? Should it be a line item in EBITDA!?!?! A dollar figure multiplied by the number of employees? A percenatge of what that business pays in taxes?
Coming out and stating "runaway profits" without having a clue as to how to "qualify" it?
293 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:25:57am |
re: #274 shala
I also don't think unions should be able to fund campaigns, either.
Bummer for you, The constitution says free speech for all. Not for who YOU think should have it.
294 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:00am |
re: #279 CapeCoddah
The court can only take up what has been brought before it.. this was the frst time it was challenged that far. We got the answer, which most of knew was the right one from day one with McCain- Feingold.
4 justices were smart enough to not be literalists only.
295 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:15am |
re: #292 Sattv4u2
I see. So who is to determine what "mild-level" is as opposed to "runaway levels"?
Should there be a hard dollar number cap? A percentage of profits? A percenatge of profit margin? Should it be a line item in EBITDA!?!?! A dollar figure multiplied by the number of employees? A percenatge of what that business pays in taxes?
Coming out and stating "runaway profits" without having a clue as to how to "qualify" it?
WINDFALL TAX!
296 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:19am |
All corporations want to do is destroy the smurf village to steal their smurf berries! In 3D!
297 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:30am |
re: #290 thedopefishlives
I work for a corporation. Does that make me eeebilll too?
WEARZ MAH GARLIK?
298 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:26:53am |
re: #287 RogueOne
Why you headed to london? Going to find your roots or business?
big wifey b'day .... she is huge tennis fan ... wanna see Wimbledon and the country ... hope to spend a week or so there.
299 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:27:31am |
re: #298 _RememberTonyC
big wifey b'day ... she is huge tennis fan ... wanna see Wimbledon and the country ... hope to spend a week or so there.
Aw, you're a sweetie!
301 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:28:18am |
re: #292 Sattv4u2
I see. So who is to determine what "mild-level" is as opposed to "runaway levels"?
Should there be a hard dollar number cap? A percentage of profits? A percenatge of profit margin? Should it be a line item in EBITDA!?!?! A dollar figure multiplied by the number of employees? A percenatge of what that business pays in taxes?
Coming out and stating "runaway profits" without having a clue as to how to "qualify" it?
I didn't mention "runaway profits" at any point, though. Just runaway funding. I would consider it "runaway" or just excessive if the majority of one candidate's funding comes from one source. Makes me wonder about their true obligations.
302 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:28:39am |
I was (obviously) joking about the driving on the right side of the road. But get used to looking right-left-right when you cross the street. Took me a long time to get used to that when I lived in England. And when I finally did, I went to Denmark, where it's normal (left-right-left.) Almost got run over a couple of times in Copenhagen. :)
303 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:28:40am |
re: #288 Naso Tang
And again I ask, where does the term "public (owned) corporation" fit into all this? Am I to be forced to ask (and never get an answer) for the political stances of management and how much of my dividends they will use to influence politics instead of business plans before I decide to invest?
Privately owned businesses can do what they want. Public owned business is a different category.
Try a civics 101 class.
304 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:29:25am |
305 | Interesting Times Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:29:33am |
What do people here think of the following? Does the person who said this have a valid point?
I hold that a corporation does ill if it seeks profit in restricting production and then by extorting high prices from the community by reason of the scarcity of the product; through adulterating, lyingly advertising, or over-driving the help; or replacing men workers with children; or by rebates; or in any illegal or improper manner driving competitors out of its way; or seeking to achieve monopoly by illegal or unethical treatment of its competitors, or in any shape or way offending against the moral law either in connection with the public or with its employees or with its rivals. Any corporation which seeks its profit in such fashion is acting badly. It is, in fact, a conspiracy against the public welfare which the Government should use all its powers to suppress.If, on the other hand, a corporation seeks profit solely by increasing its products through eliminating waste, improving its processes, utilizing its by-products, installing better machines, raising wages in the effort to secure more efficient help, introducing the principle of co-operation and mutual benefit, dealing fairly with labor unions, setting its face against the underpayment of women and the employment of children; in a word, treating the public fairly and its rivals fairly: then such a corporation is behaving well. It is an instrumentality of civilization operating to promote abundance by cheapening the cost of living so as to improve conditions everywhere throughout the whole community.
306 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:29:40am |
re: #285 CapeCoddah
You have the right not to invest in a company that supports candidates you do not support. Simple.
I was hoping you wouldn't make that obvious response. As per my other post, I should then have the right to vote on the corporate political actions if I am already a shareholder, and I should have the right to know what it is before I decide to invest.
Do you think either condition is covered?
307 | prairiefire Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:07am |
Last I looked, 1 pound British Sterling costs $1.69. That is about the same rate that I paid in 1982. It was much worse 2 years ago at $1.98 for 1 pound Sterling.
308 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:23am |
309 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:33am |
re: #282 RogueOne
If weasel is right, and I'd assume she is, give it a few more weeks and it'll be closer to the $500 you wanted.
Yeah. It's going to get worse, not better. Back in a sec--
Tony C, writing up some info for you now
310 | Ben Hur Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:42am |
Discovery Communications CEO David Zaslav made more in one day last week than most of his bosses make in a year.
Zaslav, who oversaw the cable network growth at NBC Universal that CEO Jeff Zucker is now taking credit for, recently took home $34 million, according to a regulatory filing.
The money resulted from stock options vesting and automatically being sold due to an increase in the value of Discovery's shares last year.
The massive one-day payout accounts for more than half of the $55 million Zaslav stands to earn from a new five-year employment contract he signed in September.
Some get left alone.
311 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:43am |
re: #300 CapeCoddah
Sorry, mom. Won't do it again!/
Did you make up your bed and put the cap back on the toothpaste?
312 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:30:58am |
re: #302 Mad Al-Jaffee
I was (obviously) joking about the driving on the right side of the road. But get used to looking right-left-right when you cross the street. Took me a long time to get used to that when I lived in England. And when I finally did, I went to Denmark, where it's normal (left-right-left.) Almost got run over a couple of times in Copenhagen. :)
that's what i'm talkin about
313 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:31:18am |
314 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:31:24am |
Obama raised $1,500,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 for his campaign. And no one can really say where most of it came from. That's WAY better than the people who actually drive the economy trying to influence the politics...?
315 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:31:32am |
re: #291 shala
Mind letting me know what was asinine about it? I know sometimes I can sound disingenuous, but I talk in all sincerity here. Unless it's time for sarcasm, of course.
If there was any point trying to explain it to you , I would. The very fact that you asked the question leads me to believe any attempt at explanation to you would be an abysmal waste of my time. I stay away from excersises in futility.
316 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:16am |
317 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:26am |
re: #309 iceweasel
Yeah. It's going to get worse, not better. Back in a sec--
Tony C, writing up some info for you now
you're too kind ... we're going in 18 months ... so no huge hurry
318 | Ben Hur Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:43am |
319 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:32:48am |
re: #294 Naso Tang
4 justices were smart enough to not be literalists only.
Yeah, thats why they lost the vote.
320 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:33:14am |
re: #313 MandyManners
Teh skool iz hard
So, you think it has been hard for the Supreme Court for the past 100 years or whatever it is too?
321 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:33:57am |
322 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:34:00am |
re: #293 CapeCoddah
Bummer for you, The constitution says free speech for all. Not for who YOU think should have it.
I'm not so sure the founders had political funding in mind when they crafted the First Amendment. Corporate personhood definitely wasn't around back then, anyway.
324 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:34:44am |
re: #306 Naso Tang
I was hoping you wouldn't make that obvious response. As per my other post, I should then have the right to vote on the corporate political actions if I am already a shareholder, and I should have the right to know what it is before I decide to invest.
Do you think either condition is covered?
That is an issue for shareholders to address with the corporation. Write a letter.
325 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:16am |
re: #302 Mad Al-Jaffee
I was (obviously) joking about the driving on the right side of the road. But get used to looking right-left-right when you cross the street. Took me a long time to get used to that when I lived in England. And when I finally did, I went to Denmark, where it's normal (left-right-left.) Almost got run over a couple of times in Copenhagen. :)
Yeah, I'm sure the "confusion" in copenhagen was all the fault of getting used to traffic patterns.//
326 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:22am |
re: #319 CapeCoddah
Yeah, thats why they lost the vote.
They lost the vote because they were smarter?
327 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:47am |
re: #306 Naso Tang
Or, don't invest. You know the rules going in. Go open a savings account. Your choice.
328 | prairiefire Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:35:55am |
re: #298 _RememberTonyC
Be careful around the tube stop for Wimbledon. London is a huge city. It ain't all quaint and bucolic. Fantastic, most beautiful and thriving city on the planet.
The new bridge and London eye are great.
Do you like art? Tate Museum and the Courtald Gallery
Do you like history? British Museum: Death masks, Darwin, the library room that has actual pieces of historic writing on display. The huge Leonardo Da Vinci painting. I was near tears after the last two areas.
Trafalgar Square~Don't get pooped on by pigeons
329 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:05am |
330 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:11am |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey, I told everyone last night. But, I made $1,300.00 in commission last night because a customer thought I looked and acted exactly like Glenn Beck.
Gonna take a picture of him to a barber, methinks...
Did you cry too?
331 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:18am |
re: #315 CapeCoddah
If there was any point trying to explain it to you , I would. The very fact that you asked the question leads me to believe any attempt at explanation to you would be an abysmal waste of my time. I stay away from excersises in futility.
I'm sorry to hear that--I'm here so I can hear opinions that are different than mine.
332 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:22am |
re: #311 MandyManners
Did you make up your bed and put the cap back on the toothpaste?
[Video]
Yes 'm
333 | MandyManners Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:28am |
336 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:49am |
re: #324 CapeCoddah
That is an issue for shareholders to address with the corporation. Write a letter.
Give me a break. You obviously miss the point, or don't want to address it.
337 | Ben Hur Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:36:53am |
re: #321 _RememberTonyC
i need "local" knowledge, not google drek ... i appreciate the help
Not my point.
Enjoy London! It kicks ass.
338 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:37:23am |
re: #301 shala
I didn't mention "runaway profits" at any point, though. Just runaway funding. I would consider it "runaway" or just excessive if the majority of one candidate's funding comes from one source. Makes me wonder about their true obligations.
Okay. Lets try it your way with this scenario
You and I are running for a local level seat, lets say county commissioner in some backwoods Alabama county
I'm a KKK member and raise $10,000 in individual ($25 each and less) contributions
YOU are not a KKK member, but a black male who wants to help the local factory create jobs. Tha company wants to give you $5,000 and you raise another $5,000 from individual contributions
Under your "rules" the company could NOT give you that, so you wouldn't be able to compete ad wise with me!
339 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:37:32am |
340 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:37:47am |
Who thinks it's a good idea to have legislators decide which Americans get to influence elections and which ones don't? Raise your hands!
341 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:38:39am |
re: #328 prairiefire
Be careful around the tube stop for Wimbledon. London is a huge city. It ain't all quaint and bucolic. Fantastic, most beautiful and thriving city on the planet.
The new bridge and London eye are great.
Do you like art? Tate Museum and the Courtald Gallery
Do you like history? British Museum: Death masks, Darwin, the library room that has actual pieces of historic writing on display. The huge Leonardo Da Vinci painting. I was near tears after the last two areas.
Trafalgar Square~Don't get pooped on by pigeons
awesome ... thanks
342 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:38:41am |
343 | FrogMarch Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:39:14am |
Hey.
Jon Stewart rips Olbermann.
I especially like the "association" part.
344 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:39:25am |
re: #327 CapeCoddah
Or, don't invest. You know the rules going in. Go open a savings account. Your choice.
Please, try to argue the points presented. Quips like that are silly.
345 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:40:07am |
re: #322 shala
I'm not so sure the founders had political funding in mind when they crafted the First Amendment. Corporate personhood definitely wasn't around back then, anyway.
well, since they are all dead, and we have only the Constitution they left behind...
Do you think there were no such things as business and political support back then?
They knew what they were doing, and gave the government all the power they wanted it to have, for the good of all. Dont like it? There are plenty of places you can go on-planet that should fit your bill. We are still free here.
346 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:41:09am |
347 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:06am |
Are not those "evil" oil corporations tax rates higher than their profit margins???
348 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:07am |
re: #338 Sattv4u2
Okay. Lets try it your way with this scenario
[snip]
Under your "rules" the company could NOT give you that, so you wouldn't be able to compete ad wise with me!
That would be unfortunate for the hypothetical me, definitely, and for the good of the county. But the opposite scenario could just as easily happen.
349 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:16am |
re: #72 Boogberg
Thank you President Obama. Because you opened your yap yesterday, my portfolio is now worth $2000 less. YOU ASSHOLE!
Do you think it's the death of Obamacare that is causing the sell off?
350 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:23am |
re: #336 Naso Tang
Give me a break. You obviously miss the point, or don't want to address it.
Actually, it is you missing several hundred points.
351 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:42:28am |
re: #159 ggt
Hey Lizards!
Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!
How are you-all?
Just loving this sweet LOLA music video
352 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:15am |
re: #344 Naso Tang
Please, try to argue the points presented. Quips like that are silly.
No, those are real options if you dont like the rules of investing.
353 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:22am |
re: #348 shala
That would be unfortunate for the hypothetical me, definitely, and for the good of the county. But the opposite scenario could just as easily happen.
And thats why there should be no free speech limits!
355 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:43:56am |
re: #322 shala
I'm not so sure the founders had political funding in mind when they crafted the First Amendment. Corporate personhood definitely wasn't around back then, anyway.
You should read you some James Madison.
356 | gymmom Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:45:50am |
357 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:01am |
re: #340 cliffster
Who thinks it's a good idea to have legislators decide which Americans get to influence elections and which ones don't? Raise your hands!
I respectfully suggest that the management of public corporations were not elected to represent the political views of the shareholders that they work for, and that there is no mechanism to reflect the positions of shareholders in that regard.
To say that one can bug out and not invest blurs the line between capitalism and politics to the point where it becomes meaningless.
What's next, monopolies are unconstitutional?
358 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:05am |
re: #225 darthstar
Holy fuck. If Exxon decided to spend a mere two or three billion dollars of their excesss profits in 2012, we really could have a President Palin.
Thanks, SCOTUS.
You do realize that the New York Times Corporation is a corporation right? They're even listed on the NYSE. They get to use their corporate entities to further their own political agenda via their newspaper, but their corporation can spend their money as they see fit on whatever politics they see fit.
And President Obama got $740.6 million from a broad spectrum of people, including many on Wall Street who preferred him to McCain. Funny to see how that worked out.
Ilya Somin has a good take on why restrictions on corporate speech actually reduce political equality - it magnifies the problems elsewhere in the political sphere. Eugene Volokh also weighs in on the notion of free speech in relation to corporations;
But they do show that “liberty of the press” was seen as a right to publish to the world at large using the technology of the “press” (including by using others’ presses, whether for pay or because they liked what you wrote), not as a right that belonged to members a particular industry. The institutional media and other people are on par for purposes of “the freedom of speech, or of the press.” The constitutional protections offered to the institutional media are no greater than those offered to others. And thus if ordinary business corporations lack First Amendment rights, so do those business corporations that we call media corporations.
359 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:13am |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, this is odd.
Ended up in a hotel last night without provisions. Just got a teethbrush and teethpaste from the front desk.
A bristle came off of the teethbrush in my mouth.
Probably made in China, and now I'll probably find it has lead in it.
And to add insult to injury, Cato will inform you that it's "toothbrush", for Christ's sake.
360 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:46:17am |
re: #353 Sattv4u2
And thats why there should be no free speech limits!
LOL, careful Satt, with reasoning like that, they may smoke a few gaskets.
361 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:47:36am |
re: #345 CapeCoddah
well, since they are all dead, and we have only the Constitution they left behind...
Do you think there were no such things as business and political support back then?
They knew what they were doing, and gave the government all the power they wanted it to have, for the good of all.
They certainly knew what they were doing at the time. I just think there are situations today they couldn't have possibly foreseen. I only happen to disagree with the SCOTUS interpretation, not that my opinion amounts to much.
Dont like it? There are plenty of places you can go on-planet that should fit your bill. We are still free here.
Like it or leave it, huh? I'd rather stick around and work toward making it better--more fun that way. ;)
362 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:48:11am |
Good morning all. I am back from visiting the cutest granbaby evah.....mine :)
Finally. /
363 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:48:35am |
re: #346 CapeCoddah
No, because they are wrong.
I notice that so far you have not attempted to make any argument to counter mine.
364 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:49:09am |
re: #359 ryannon
And to add insult to injury, Cato will inform you that it's "toothbrush", for Christ's sake.
There's a West Virginia joke about that.
365 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:28am |
re: #159 ggt
Hey Lizards!
Beignets and Cafe du Monde Cafe Au Lait is the Best!
How are you-all?
Your post brought back some very lovely memories. Thank you.
366 | filetandrelease Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:33am |
re: #359 ryannon
And to add insult to injury, Cato will inform you that it's "toothbrush", for Christ's sake.
Bubba Jones from Alabama invented the "tooth brush", otherwise, it would have been called the "teeth brush"
367 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:40am |
re: #298 _RememberTonyC
big wifey b'day ... she is huge tennis fan ... wanna see Wimbledon and the country ... hope to spend a week or so there.
Terrific! so happy for you both-- some generic info:
If you're in London proper, Mad-Al Jaffee is absolutely right. Driving on the other side of the road isn't difficult, but it will take you surprisingly long to look in the right direction when crossing streets. And that is really important, because people in London drive like people in NYC, or LA, or Boston do. You could get killed. I still wander into streets and cross randomly.
the good news is that unlike the US, the UK has extremely safe traffic crossings. Wait for the pedestrian lights and cross with them.
Take the Tube when you're in London proper.
renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.
Money: Talk to your bank, and also your credit card companies. As stupid as it is, and unsafe, for a short trip like that you may well want to bring travelers checks, because using a bank card to withdraw money (your US bank card, drawing on a US acct) can carry many hidden fees. Also you won't get the best exchange rate.
Whatever you do, do NOT bring US cash and then change it especially at airport locations or similar. The exchange rate they'll give you and the extra fees they'll tack on make it terrible.
Also, the UK and has now implemented a separate security measure for bank cards. There's now an electronic chip imbedded in the side of most credit cards and debit cards in the UK. you know how we swipe our credit cards or debit cards for payment in the US? The magnetic strip?-- you can't do that any more in the UK. You dip the end of the card into a reader that 'reads' the chip instead.
If you have a US card, some retailers won't take it, and nearly all now have to call the manager, key in your credit card manually, and they'll ask you for other ID. Make sure you have your US driver's license-- the passport won't be sufficient. (They'll want to check your signature as well as your photo) and that isn't on the passport in an official way.
Tipping is very different in the Uk, for example, you don't have to tip in pubs or bars-- google and get a reliable guide on that.
These are the major areas I'm thinking of; I definitely have lots more info for you if you like, especially when you figure out exactly where you'll be going, and I can give you info on cheap flights, hotels, and where to eat as well.
Hope this helps!
368 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:50:44am |
369 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:51:11am |
re: #357 Naso Tang
I respectfully suggest that the management of public corporations were not elected to represent the political views of the shareholders that they work for, and that there is no mechanism to reflect the positions of shareholders in that regard.
To say that one can bug out and not invest blurs the line between capitalism and politics to the point where it becomes meaningless.
What's next, monopolies are unconstitutional?
They also have free speech rights. Open a savings account. No more problem for you.
370 | filetandrelease Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:51:18am |
re: #364 Mad Al-Jaffee
I am a sucker for cheap humor.
371 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:51:20am |
re: #349 Blueheron
Do you think it's the death of Obamacare that is causing the sell off?
No, it's corporate profits not being near where the expectations were, China and some other countries making statements about US debt and which currencies they preferred, and other factors. Obama's statements are down on the list.
372 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:52:38am |
re: #357 Naso Tang
I respectfully suggest that the management of public corporations were not elected to represent the political views of the shareholders that they work for, and that there is no mechanism to reflect the positions of shareholders in that regard.
That's not really a problem for legislators to solve. You could easily apply the same concept for any decision made by management.
What's next, monopolies are unconstitutional?
I don't see how this applies, but didn't think real hard about it
373 | prairiefire Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:53:58am |
re: #362 Blueheron
Hello! Enjoying some peace and quiet?
374 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:54:45am |
re: #367 iceweasel
You forgot to mention to be careful of where you're taking pictures. They seem to be a little jumpy lately about people with cameras.
375 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:55:24am |
re: #367 iceweasel
My father has been living in Vienna since the mid 90s. He always tells me when I visit that I should use my Visa debit card to get Euros since Visa has the best rates. But I haven't visited him in a few years, so that may have changed.
376 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:55:39am |
re: #367 iceweasel
Terrific! so happy for you both-- some generic info:
If you're in London proper, Mad-Al Jaffee is absolutely right. Driving on the other side of the road isn't difficult, but it will take you surprisingly long to look in the right direction when crossing streets. And that is really important, because people in London drive like people in NYC, or LA, or Boston do. You could get killed. I still wander into streets and cross randomly.
the good news is that unlike the US, the UK has extremely safe traffic crossings. Wait for the pedestrian lights and cross with them.
Take the Tube when you're in London proper.
renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.Money: Talk to your bank, and also your credit card companies. As stupid as it is, and unsafe, for a short trip like that you may well want to bring travelers checks, because using a bank card to withdraw money (your US bank card, drawing on a US acct) can carry many hidden fees. Also you won't get the best exchange rate.
Whatever you do, do NOT bring US cash and then change it especially at airport locations or similar. The exchange rate they'll give you and the extra fees they'll tack on make it terrible.Also, the UK and has now implemented a separate security measure for bank cards. There's now an electronic chip imbedded in the side of most credit cards and debit cards in the UK. you know how we swipe our credit cards or debit cards for payment in the US? The magnetic strip?-- you can't do that any more in the UK. You dip the end of the card into a reader that 'reads' the chip instead.
If you have a US card, some retailers won't take it, and nearly all now have to call the manager, key in your credit card manually, and they'll ask you for other ID. Make sure you have your US driver's license-- the passport won't be sufficient. (They'll want to check your signature as well as your photo) and that isn't on the passport in an official way.Tipping is very different in the Uk, for example, you don't have to tip in pubs or bars-- google and get a reliable guide on that.
These are the major areas I'm thinking of; I definitely have lots more info for you if you like, especially when you figure out exactly where you'll be going, and I can give you info on cheap flights, hotels, and where to eat as well.
Hope this helps!
I had a terrible time with travelers checks Weasel. The clueless c;erks didn't know what to do with them. My friends took me to banks to cash them.
I love GB and wouldn't mind living there. Great place.
377 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:55:49am |
re: #361 shala
They certainly knew what they were doing at the time. I just think there are situations today they couldn't have possibly foreseen. I only happen to disagree with the SCOTUS interpretation, not that my opinion amounts to much.
You and 300 million other Americans, kid.
378 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:56:27am |
re: #202 RogueOne
Awhile back we were having a conversation and there were people skeptical that the gov't would deal in illegal substances and put them out on the street just to catch "bad guys". This story isn't about drugs, but they did put 250 million illegal cig's out there to catch smugglers:
[Link: www.thenewstribune.com...]
If you smoke, you're a supporter of terrorism.
And your lungs are the principal victims. I changed to cigars a few years back and it worked like a charm: one a week, maximum, and no craving for cigarettes. But it has to be a big, really good stogie.
As for the terrorist thing, I've noticed that whenever some agency or industry has a reason to do a smackdown on whatever illicit activity, they find a terrorist connection to it. It's a great justification. I'm sure there are people on this very forum who would insist that pineapple chunks on pizzas is somehow supportive of terrorism. Just wait and see...
379 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:56:40am |
Another thing about London (and the UK in genral) - if you like Indian food, you will eat well. Very well.
380 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:03am |
382 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:32am |
re: #367 iceweasel
Should have added-- ATMs will work for your cards in the UK no problem, (for now, that will change ina couple of years), but talk to your bank and your credit card co's and find out what you can specifically do to get the fees reduced and the exchange rate they'll give you changed in your favour.
383 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:37am |
re: #379 Mad Al-Jaffee
Another thing about London (and the UK in genral) - if you like Indian food, you will eat well. Very well.
Yes, yes indeed.
At the time I went to Ireland, I did not have any trouble whatsoever with my US credit cards. Things may have changed, as that was about 2 years ago.
384 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:40am |
re: #371 lawhawk
No, it's corporate profits not being near where the expectations were, China and some other countries making statements about US debt and which currencies they preferred, and other factors. Obama's statements are down on the list.
We are headed for the 'second dip' :/
385 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:57:49am |
re: #361 shala
They knew life would change. They were brilliant men, not cavemen. They enumerated the Federal Government with a very limited set of powers for a damned good reason. Left most decisions up to the state, and left people free. You are not required to invest anywhere, and with your lack of knowledge about such simple things as free speech, maybe you should not risk your money.
Corporations have the right, and in fact an obligation to those employees and investors to look out for the best interests of the company and do as well as they can. You don't agree, don't invest. Simple.
386 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:00am |
re: #209 Mad Al-Jaffee
That reminds me - yesterday was Leadbelly's birthday.
Do you have any videos of two cats fucking?
387 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:23am |
re: #369 CapeCoddah
They also have free speech rights. Open a savings account. No more problem for you.
You have already made that quip. You seem to think that capitalism should be based on the the politics of corporate management as much as anything else, but if so then there should be mechanisms in place to allow shareholders to vote on the corporate politics as well. Seems to me that is what we vote on legislators for.
So far the only thing you have shown is that you have little to say beyond quips about Civics 101 or bug off, not to mention being a serial down dinger. I can read your comments, the dinging is a cheap substitute for words; but we all have our different styles I suppose..
388 | jaunte Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:27am |
re: #230 _RememberTonyC
Is there anyone here who knows London?
Veeraswamy's is worth a visit.
[Link: www.veeraswamy.com...]
389 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:44am |
re: #378 ryannon
....whenever some agency or industry has a reason to do a smackdown on whatever illicit activity, they find a terrorist connection to it. It's a great justification. I'm sure there are people on this very forum who would insist that pineapple chunks on pizzas is somehow supportive of terrorism. Just wait and see...
If you'll put pineapple on pizza, you'll strap on a bomb-belt.
390 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:58:52am |
re: #362 Blueheron
Congrats, but I dispute that cutest thing... mine!/
391 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 7:59:48am |
re: #390 CapeCoddah
Congrats, but I dispute that cutest thing... mine!/
I'm not sure we need to hear how cute your "thing" is !!
//
392 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:00am |
re: #373 prairiefire
Hello! Enjoying some peace and quiet?
Pffft understatement that....my son and his wife were exhausted from being up all night with the baby...Grandma stayed in a motel....
Heh :)))
393 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:10am |
re: #386 ryannon
Do you have any videos of two cats fucking?
No, but if Avatar was rated R and had a scene like that I might have ejoyed it more.
394 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:13am |
re: #363 Naso Tang
Already did, several times. Repeating one self is a waste of time.
You don't want to hear the answer because you don't like it.
395 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:52am |
Sully's plane is up for sale. The Airbus A320 that Capt. Sullenberger safely landed on the Hudson River with no loss of life is being sold at auction.
396 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:00:58am |
re: #376 Blueheron
I had a terrible time with travelers checks Weasel. The clueless c;erks didn't know what to do with them. My friends took me to banks to cash them.
I love GB and wouldn't mind living there. Great place.
You'll have to change them at a bank, not at a shop. You need to talk to your bank to find out the best way to go. As much as a hassle (and unsafe) as it is, to get the best exchange rate you might need to bring over traveler's checks and then change them at banks.re: #375 Mad Al-Jaffee
My father has been living in Vienna since the mid 90s. He always tells me when I visit that I should use my Visa debit card to get Euros since Visa has the best rates. But I haven't visited him in a few years, so that may have changed.
It has changed. A few years ago I'd have said take the Visa debit card and no worries. That isn't true any more. Not since 2008.
398 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:02:42am |
All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?
399 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:06am |
re: #393 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, but if Avatar was rated R and had a scene like that I might have ejoyed it more.
Larry Flynt has your back:
Hustler to Make "Avatar" Porn Movie
[Link: www.worstpreviews.com...]
400 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:07am |
re: #398 cliffster
All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?
See WEASEL// ICE!
401 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:18am |
402 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:23am |
re: #396 iceweasel
It has changed. A few years ago I'd have said take the Visa debit card and no worries. That isn't true any more. Not since 2008.
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind the next time I go to Europe.
403 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:03:24am |
re: #398 cliffster
All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?
Kitty porn.
404 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:04:15am |
re: #263 Sattv4u2
Not to mention funding 401K and retirment plans
Stop it! You're making miss ENRON.
405 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:04:40am |
re: #394 CapeCoddah
Already did, several times. Repeating one self is a waste of time.
You don't want to hear the answer because you don't like it.
Sorry, but you gave no answer addressing my points.
406 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:05:02am |
re: #387 Naso Tang
You have already made that quip. You seem to think that capitalism should be based on the the politics of corporate management as much as anything else, but if so then there should be mechanisms in place to allow shareholders to vote on the corporate politics as well. Seems to me that is what we vote on legislators for.
So far the only thing you have shown is that you have little to say beyond quips about Civics 101 or bug off, not to mention being a serial down dinger. I can read your comments, the dinging is a cheap substitute for words; but we all have our different styles I suppose..
Grownups whining sucks.
407 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:05:31am |
re: #398 cliffster
All right, I missed the video of the fucking felines. Can someone fill me in?
The Fucking Felines would be an awesome band name.
408 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:05:31am |
re: #404 ryannon
Stop it! You're making miss ENRON.
Ah yes ,,, one corporation out of, what ,, several hundred thousand?
(and yes, I realize there were several, but a very small percentage of ALL)
409 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:03am |
411 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:24am |
412 | jaunte Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:30am |
re: #367 iceweasel
renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.
Having done this, I can recommend having another person in the car to scream "LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!" in your ear as you make a turn.
413 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:31am |
re: #402 Mad Al-Jaffee
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind the next time I go to Europe.
if I'm over for a weekend, or a short period, I use the Visa debit card. But it's harder and harder to use a US one in shops, for the reason I gave (the new chip), and the exchange rate and fees can screw you.
It's a tradeoff between security, convenience, and money.
If you're over for a short period I would still say just use the Visa debit card, but depending on a person's financial situation, you may well want to look at other options.
414 | shala Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:06:40am |
re: #385 CapeCoddah
You are not required to invest anywhere, and with your lack of knowledge about such simple things as free speech, maybe you should not risk your money.
Hey now, we're having a civil discussion, aren't we? I don't see where I deserve to be insulted.
Corporations have the right, and in fact an obligation to those employees and investors to look out for the best interests of the company and do as well as they can. You don't agree, don't invest. Simple.
Of course they do, and a corporation acting in its own best interest is neither good nor evil, simply doing what it's supposed to. I've got no beef with that. What I feel leery about is one corporation, aka one "person" having an outsize impact on any politician. If a pol gets most of their money from one corporation, it's very likely they'll be beholden and act in that corporation's interests above and beyond the interests of their other constituents. Campaign funding in the first place makes me queasy--I don't like large individual donations, either. Everyone should have free speech, but why should some people/persons have MORE speech because they have more money?
415 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:07:24am |
re: #390 CapeCoddah
Congrats, but I dispute that cutest thing... mine!/
Ah gee I have waited sooo long and have had to endure so many granbaby stories....let me be a bore just this once. Ok :)
416 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:07:26am |
re: #412 jaunte
Having done this, I can recommend having another person in the car to scream "LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!" in your ear as you make a turn.
yes! especially when making a turn, leaving a roundabout, etc.
417 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:00am |
re: #413 iceweasel
if I'm over for a weekend, or a short period, I use the Visa debit card. But it's harder and harder to use a US one in shops, for the reason I gave (the new chip), and the exchange rate and fees can screw you.
It's a tradeoff between security, convenience, and money.If you're over for a short period I would still say just use the Visa debit card, but depending on a person's financial situation, you may well want to look at other options.
One thing I did when I traveled was took a fairly big wadge of US cash and exchange it at the airport. Having euros in hand helped out in a lot of places, and I'm generally not a guy to carry cash around, at least not here in the States.
418 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:07am |
Well, there it is then. Two cats getting it on missionary style. Happy Friday to cliffster.
419 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:19am |
re: #391 Sattv4u2
I'm not sure we need to hear how cute your "thing" is !!
//
Good for you Satty! LOLOL
420 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:08:47am |
421 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:09:16am |
re: #417 thedopefishlives
I still have some Euros from my last trip. Not a whole lot, but enough for some spending money the next time I'm there.
422 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:09:31am |
re: #405 Naso Tang
It is simple. Corporations have a right to free speech, same as you. Period.
Scotus re-affirmed that.
You don't like it.
Sucks for you
There is simply nothing to argue.
423 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:09:39am |
re: #413 iceweasel
And if you're traveling away from where you usually use the credit card (any of them), be sure to contact them so that they don't institute their fraud reduction systems and block/reject your card. It's good to give the credit card companies the heads' up and to also ask them about charges that might be incurred (conversion fees, convenience fees, etc., that might be expected). On our trips overseas, we've been sure to ask so we're not surprised when a card doesn't work.
424 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:10:58am |
re: #423 lawhawk
I actually got freaked out when I got home, because I had called the bank to let them know I was on vacation overseas, but they still sent a suspicious activity notice in the mail. The card still worked, though.
425 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:12am |
re: #287 RogueOne
Why you headed to london? Going to find your roots or business?
Medical tourism for the suicidal.
426 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:17am |
re: #418 cliffster
Oh man. As soon as one of them wins a cat beauty show, some jerk supporting a losing cat will show this video to the show judges and get the video cat disqualified.
Just like Miss California!
J/K!!!
427 | albusteve Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:29am |
Phony populism aside, yesterday Mr. Obama introduced his first serious idea into the debate on reforming the financial system. In calling for an end to proprietary trading at firms with a federal safety net, the President showed that he now understands an important principle: Risk-taking in the capital markets is incompatible with a taxpayer guarantee
light at the end of the tunnel?
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
428 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:42am |
re: #305 publicityStunted
One of my favorite presidents of all times. Kudos. Favorited.
429 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:11:57am |
re: #395 lawhawk
Sully's plane is up for sale. The Airbus A320 that Capt. Sullenberger safely landed on the Hudson River with no loss of life is being sold at auction.
Does anyone have a front lawn large enough for it?
430 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:12:23am |
re: #416 iceweasel
yes! especially when making a turn, leaving a roundabout, etc.
They started putting in round-a-bouts in my neck of the woods, which was a mistake, just confuses the hell out of hoosiers.
431 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:12:48am |
re: #414 shala
Of course they do, and a corporation acting in its own best interest is neither good nor evil, simply doing what it's supposed to. I've got no beef with that. What I feel leery about is one corporation, aka one "person" having an outsize impact on any politician. If a pol gets most of their money from one corporation, it's very likely they'll be beholden and act in that corporation's interests above and beyond the interests of their other constituents. Campaign funding in the first place makes me queasy--I don't like large individual donations, either. Everyone should have free speech, but why should some people/persons have MORE speech because they have more money?
Then don't vote for them.
Vote them out.
See how simple it is?
Martha Coakley went to DC one week ago today.
Picked up bagfuls of cash from insurance companies and pharma companies. She lost. That was part of it.
People were pissed.
See how that works?
432 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:13:02am |
re: #429 Blueheron
Does anyone have a front lawn large enough for it?
It'll fit in my backyard. That would rule!!
433 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:13:09am |
re: #430 RogueOne
They started putting in round-a-bouts in my neck of the woods, which was a mistake, just confuses the hell out of hoosiers.
Ah yes, I noticed all the lovely road construction last time I was back in fish country. I didn't like roundabouts when I was in Ireland, and I'm not about to start now.
434 | Sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:14:25am |
re: #416 iceweasel
re: #430 RogueOne
They started putting in round-a-bouts in my neck of the woods, which was a mistake, just confuses the hell out of hoosiers.
I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries
Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them
435 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:15:12am |
Bosses wife just called... huge spring clothing shipment being dropped off as we speak, they need my hands.
BBL, folks, have a nice day
436 | filetandrelease Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:15:41am |
re: #433 thedopefishlives
Ah yes, I noticed all the lovely road construction last time I was back in fish country. I didn't like roundabouts when I was in Ireland, and I'm not about to start now.
Fish country! Where is it! I want to go there!
437 | albusteve Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:15:42am |
re: #416 iceweasel
yes! especially when making a turn, leaving a roundabout, etc.
Jamaica is a nightmare...if you don't get it figured out immediately, you have no business renting a car and are definitely at risk....roundabouts at high speed are no joke, and you better look right...
438 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:01am |
re: #423 lawhawk
And if you're traveling away from where you usually use the credit card (any of them), be sure to contact them so that they don't institute their fraud reduction systems and block/reject your card. It's good to give the credit card companies the heads' up and to also ask them about charges that might be incurred (conversion fees, convenience fees, etc., that might be expected). On our trips overseas, we've been sure to ask so we're not surprised when a card doesn't work.
Exactly-- excellent advice. Very true. That's why I said the first thing to do is talk to your bank and your CC companies.
there are tons and tons of 'hidden fees' that you'll incur, also even if you contact them in advance one of your cards may well be cut off for fraud prevention purposes-- so it's a good idea to bring all the contact numbers for those companies (bearing in mind that a US 800 number doesn't work when dialed from within the UK, so make sure you have the info with you when you leave about who to contact)
Also, as I mentioned, there's this new chip now in UK cards that US cards don't have. If you're in a shop or supermarket or the like, the clerks are usually unaware of all this and will keep pushing the top of your card into the new readers, (not swiping the magnetic strip) no matter that you tell them upfront: this is a US card, no US cards have that chip, you have to key the number in manually.
439 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:06am |
re: #420 Naso Tang
Do you have something to say on the argument at hand?
Naso I think it boils down to the idea that the government should not be in the business of who can say what, ever. Throw in the fact that it is a pretty disturbing conflict of interest to have elected officials getting to decide who gets to influence future elections. Then it's pretty easy to see why what seemed like a good idea (campaign finance laws) is actually a bad deal.
440 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:11am |
re: #436 filetandrelease
Fish country! Where is it! I want to go there!
*chuckle* My family's stomping grounds, ironically enough, are right on one of the local waterways. My mother's father was a fisherman without parallel. Wish I could say it got handed down, but I've only recently acquired the ability to hook anything beyond a simple bluegill.
441 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:20am |
re: #434 Sattv4u2
re: #430 RogueOne
I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries
Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them
Downtown indy is one big round-a-bout, it's been that way for well over 100 years. You would think people around here would get it but they didn't. For weeks people would come up on them and just stop like they didn't have a clue wtf they were supposed to do.
442 | CapeCoddah Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:17:26am |
re: #415 Blueheron
Double congrats, they are a thousand times more fun that you could have ever imagined. You have a great time in front of you.
Enjoy every second!
443 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:06am |
re: #414 shala
Of course they do, and a corporation acting in its own best interest is neither good nor evil, simply doing what it's supposed to. I've got no beef with that. What I feel leery about is one corporation, aka one "person" having an outsize impact on any politician. If a pol gets most of their money from one corporation, it's very likely they'll be beholden and act in that corporation's interests above and beyond the interests of their other constituents. Campaign funding in the first place makes me queasy--I don't like large individual donations, either. Everyone should have free speech, but why should some people/persons have MORE speech because they have more money?
Says a lot about the politicians doesn't it? If I recall correctly the concept was that they are elected to represent the interests of a particular area of the country (district, state, etc.) If their vote is instead used to represent the interests of those that contributed the most to their campaign, then they really are not doing what they are expected to do. (Aside from the "what is good for U S Steel is good for the United States" view...)
444 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:25am |
re: #314 cliffster
Obama raised $1,500,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 for his campaign. And no one can really say where most of it came from. That's WAY better than the people who actually drive the economy trying to influence the politics...?
It came from the Juice Bankers, Soros and The Illuminati, you silly goose.
445 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:35am |
re: #439 cliffster
Do you think that regulation of the airwaves and other methods of public communication is necessary?
446 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:18:54am |
re: #422 CapeCoddah
It is simple. Corporations have a right to free speech, same as you. Period.
Scotus re-affirmed that.
You don't like it.
Sucks for you
There is simply nothing to argue.
I don't understand your disconnect. What do you think a corporation is?
Last time I looked free speech referred to INDIVIDUALS.
If individuals collectively decide to speak as one, they can form a political party or other political organization, say have a tea party and decide their position.
Tell me where you think that fits with the rights of top management in a publicly owned corporation making politically based spending decisions on behalf of the shareholders, without any mechanism for shareholder voting beyond saying (as you do); "if you don't like it, bug out"?
My perspective of capitalism rests on things like market demands and good business management. I should have the right to invest on that basis without also taking some perverted version of socialist politics of the business into account.
447 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:19:19am |
re: #434 Sattv4u2
re: #430 RogueOne
I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries
Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them
They're weird enough for many US people who aren't used to them-- so imagine driving through one and having to remember to exit on the 'wrong' side of the road, WHILE shifting with the other hand.
That's why I say, rent an automatic if possible. Sounds silly, but it helps a lot in those circcumstances.
448 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:20:02am |
re: #431 CapeCoddah
Then don't vote for them.
Vote them out.
See how simple it is?
Martha Coakley went to DC one week ago today.
Picked up bagfuls of cash from insurance companies and pharma companies. She lost. That was part of it.
People were pissed.
See how that works?
You don't know how it works, is becoming apparent.
449 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:20:40am |
re: #445 Obdicut
Do you think that regulation of the airwaves and other methods of public communication is necessary?
Apples and Oranges. Public airwaves are owned by the public and leased to users.
450 | prairiefire Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:20:42am |
re: #421 Mad Al-Jaffee
They should still be going strong. It's amazing to me how socialist Europe has such a strong economy!/
451 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:22:00am |
re: #447 iceweasel
They're weird enough for many US people who aren't used to them-- so imagine driving through one and having to remember to exit on the 'wrong' side of the road, WHILE shifting with the other hand.
That's why I say, rent an automatic if possible. Sounds silly, but it helps a lot in those circcumstances.
One thing I highly recommend - if you're renting, get yourself a GPS and make sure it's loaded with a European map pack. I got lost in downtown Dublin for about 3 hours because one of the stupid side streets I was trying to find from the map wasn't marked on the intersection.
452 | albusteve Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:23:22am |
re: #447 iceweasel
They're weird enough for many US people who aren't used to them-- so imagine driving through one and having to remember to exit on the 'wrong' side of the road, WHILE shifting with the other hand.
That's why I say, rent an automatic if possible. Sounds silly, but it helps a lot in those circcumstances.
good advice...I love the opposite driving thing tho...makes me feel like James Bond...man, you gotta be on your toes
453 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:24:04am |
re: #449 RogueOne
Yes. Why are they owned by the public, though? If I want to speak via radio, why should the government be able to prevent me from doing so?
454 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:24:23am |
re: #447 iceweasel
Rotaries (round-abouts) are pretty easy to deal with as long as everyone knows what to do. (Which is true about most traffic regulations.) I deal with them in New Jersey all the time, but there always seems to be someone who panics when one appears.
Last time I was in England it was a non-issue. Was basically touristing and used a railpass and took trains everywhere. Within a city it was taxi, bus, or the Tube (when in London) if we didn't just walk.
My US bank card worked in ATMs there, but it sounds like that might no longer be the case.
455 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:24:30am |
re: #437 albusteve
Jamaica is a nightmare...if you don't get it figured out immediately, you have no business renting a car and are definitely at risk...roundabouts at high speed are no joke, and you better look right...
I haven't yet been to Jamaica-- when I do go I'll ask you where to go and eat and what to see.
My first experiences with driving on the 'wrong' side of the road were all in the Caribbean though, and it was pretty scary often, coming off a roundabout, even though those were really low speed and not very busy--especially with random pedestrians and people on bikes around.
I would never rent a car in Jamaica, I don't think. For the reasons you gave.
456 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:25:48am |
re: #455 iceweasel
The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.
457 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:01am |
re: #412 jaunte
Having done this, I can recommend having another person in the car to scream "LEFT! LEFT! LEFT!" in your ear as you make a turn.
I really laughed at that.
My friend had a lead foot and she would barrel down the hedge rows in the country at bloody nose speeds.
I asked her what would she do if a cow stepped out into a roadway. She gave me a blank stare.
I suppose GB cows are better trained than those in the good old USA.
458 | Interesting Times Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:01am |
re: #450 prairiefire
They should still be going strong. It's amazing to me how socialist Europe has such a strong economy!/
Soviet Canuckistan isn't doing so badly either ;)
459 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:36am |
re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee
The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.
Ah, that's not strictly true. Most such countries do, in fact, abide by one traffic law - the biggest vehicle has the right of way.
460 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:26:42am |
re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee
The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.
I've never yet been to either! I'm so jealous! I would love to go to each.
461 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:27:25am |
re: #460 iceweasel
I've never yet been to either! I'm so jealous! I would love to go to each.
I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.
Thailand is amazing.
463 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:29:36am |
re: #453 Obdicut
Yes. Why are they owned by the public, though? If I want to speak via radio, why should the government be able to prevent me from doing so?
I think the best reply you're going to get is that you are being restricted in the public interest. I think you can take two routes towards this:
1. If publically owned wavelengths seems odd, isn't the concept of a privately owned wavelength even odder? Claimed by something equivalent to copyright? And if this was the case I expect the regulation/enforcement on this area would be a total mess.
2. Assuming that the wavelengths are public domain, why the restrictions on which ones you are allowed to use? Same concept as traffic laws, restrictions and rules are in place to facilitate effective and safe use by all parties. Some wavelengths are restricted to allow their use by emergency organizations only. Some are rented out so that a company can broadcast their signal without interference.
464 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:29:50am |
re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee
Thailand is practically hallucinogenic. I had so many incredibly trippy experiences while I was there.
One of the least insane: I saw a tree being cut down, and when it hit the forest floor, it pretty much exploded into snakes. It must have been rotted out or something and somehow became a perfect snake-home. They all shot off immediately. It was like they had been created from the felling of the tree.
465 | gregb Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:29:59am |
Quote of the day:
“The administration has got to be in the forefront now, instead of throwing some meat on the track and seeing what the House can work out,” said New Jersey Rep. Bill Pascrell
If you throw meat on the track in California, all you get is dead coyotes and mountain lions.
466 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:30:01am |
re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee
I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.
Thailand is amazing.
I had never been outside of the US until my honeymoon. When I was in college, I met all sorts of missionary kids from different countries - my roommate was an MK from Colombia, in fact. It put the travel bug in me REAL bad. I'm hoping that I can get out and see some of the world before I start having kids and get leg-shackled to the house.
467 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:30:24am |
re: #453 Obdicut
Yes. Why are they owned by the public, though? If I want to speak via radio, why should the government be able to prevent me from doing so?
A. There are technical issues at stake. There are only so many frequencies available.
B. If you want to pay for airtime on a station that has a license to broadcast then you're free to do so.
Should you be denied the right to buy airtime just because you belong to a group?
468 | gregb Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:30:57am |
And speaking of California, there's nothing more fun that driving a 7,000 pound car through 3 feet of gutter water for blocks at a time with your kids giggling their asses off in the back seat. :-)
469 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:31:27am |
re: #367 iceweasel
renting a car: remember, you won't merely be driving on the wrong side of the road, but if you rent anything with a clutch you'll have to shift with the other hand! rent an automatic.
Or you could use the Cato Method:
Go stay in Devon with your friend. The second morning, he tosses you the keys to his second-best ride - with stick shift - and asks you to drive down to the train station and pick up his friend, a hot London actress, and her two dogs and take her to the party he's leaving for in the other car. Have him draw you a map because you have no idea how to get to the station or the party. Be sure to tell Dame Hottie when you've got her in the car that this is your very first time driving on the left. Enjoy the glow of light perspiration that appears on her lovely face as you tear down sunken roads so narrow that is doesn't really matter which side you drive on. Because once you get her to the party, she's never going to talk to you again.
470 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:31:32am |
re: #468 gregb
At least it drove. What happens if the car stalls in said three feet of water?
471 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:31:53am |
re: #464 Obdicut
When I was there I also went to Phuket. It was two months after the tsunami and they were still rebuilding. Still a great place, with lots of nightlife, great food, beach right across from the street from the hotel, etc.
472 | albusteve Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:32:00am |
re: #455 iceweasel
I haven't yet been to Jamaica-- when I do go I'll ask you where to go and eat and what to see.
My first experiences with driving on the 'wrong' side of the road were all in the Caribbean though, and it was pretty scary often, coming off a roundabout, even though those were really low speed and not very busy--especially with random pedestrians and people on bikes around.
I would never rent a car in Jamaica, I don't think. For the reasons you gave.
sort of adds that 'life and death' element to your holiday...left side, roundabouts, fanatic drivers, pedestrians, goats everywhere...and roads so narrow they are barely fit for two little cars to pass...always a few adrenaline buzzes when I visit
473 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:32:26am |
re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee
The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.
The trick to driving in these places is never make eye contact with the other driver. First one to look loses the right of way.
474 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:39am |
re: #467 RogueOne
A. There are technical issues at stake. There are only so many frequencies available.
Yes. So, regulation of speech can be necessary to consider, when there's a public property, a public space involved, yes?
Should you be denied the right to buy airtime just because you belong to a group?
Any airtime being sold should definitely be available to all bidders, though I do not think a bidding system is actually the best economic use of the airwaves.
Should some airwaves be reserved for the exclusive use of some groups, and denied to the public?
475 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:41am |
re: #466 thedopefishlives
I had never been outside of the US until my honeymoon. When I was in college, I met all sorts of missionary kids from different countries - my roommate was an MK from Colombia, in fact. It put the travel bug in me REAL bad. I'm hoping that I can get out and see some of the world before I start having kids and get leg-shackled to the house.
Do it while you can! And for at least the preent and immediate future, everyone loves us - you won't have to tell people you're from Canada!
/
476 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:54am |
Cloward Piven goes public.....
Government Data Released Online As Part Of Obama Initiative
The Obama administration on Friday is posting to the Internet a wealth of government data from all Cabinet-level departments, on topics ranging from child car seats to Medicare services.
The mountain of newly available information comes a year and a day after President Barack Obama promised on his first full day on the job an open, transparent government.
Under a Dec. 8 White House directive, each department must post online at least three collections of "high-value" government data that never have been previously disclosed.
477 | wrenchwench Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:33:55am |
re: #470 oaktree
At least it drove. What happens if the car stalls in said three feet of water?
The kids stop giggling.
478 | gregb Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:34:01am |
re: #470 oaktree
At least it drove. What happens if the car stalls in said three feet of water?
Then you walk in the rain, stomping in puddles all the way, which is just as fun. :-)
479 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:34:55am |
re: #442 CapeCoddah
Double congrats, they are a thousand times more fun that you could have ever imagined. You have a great time in front of you.
Enjoy every second!
Thank you :))
480 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:35:09am |
481 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:35:10am |
re: #473 Naso Tang
The trick to driving in these places is never make eye contact with the other driver. First one to look loses the right of way.
Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.
482 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:35:54am |
re: #454 oaktree
Rotaries (round-abouts) are pretty easy to deal with as long as everyone knows what to do. (Which is true about most traffic regulations.) I deal with them in New Jersey all the time, but there always seems to be someone who panics when one appears.
Last time I was in England it was a non-issue. Was basically touristing and used a railpass and took trains everywhere. Within a city it was taxi, bus, or the Tube (when in London) if we didn't just walk.
My US bank card worked in ATMs there, but it sounds like that might no longer be the case.
The ATMs will still work, but the fees might be shit, and the exchange rate they'll give you, plus your debit card and credit cards might have problems in some shops now.
Well-- they WILL have problems, because they changed the technology and the US hasn't, but they'll be accepted eventually even if you have to get them to call the manager and produce other ID, and explain to them that US cards don't have the chip that UK cards do now. I haven't ever had mine rejected, but it's pretty damn common now to go through that rigamarole. Not in a hotel or restaurant or pub, but elsewhere.
UK has excellent public transport; I highly recommend using it whenever possible.
483 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:36:03am |
re: #478 gregb
Where was the car's floor level in relation to the water level outside?
484 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:36:08am |
re: #473 Naso Tang
The trick to driving in these places is never make eye contact with the other driver. First one to look loses the right of way.
I have never actually driven in any of my travels abroad. Except a little bit in Australia, and that was just my friend there trying to teach me how to drive a stick shift out in the middle of nowhere.
485 | gregb Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:37:29am |
re: #481 Cato the Elder
Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.
You guys have never driven in Tijuana.
No traffic rules and the most expensive car loses--no matter what eye contact goes on.
486 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:37:39am |
re: #474 Obdicut
Yes. So, regulation of speech can be necessary to consider, when there's a public property, a public space involved, yes?
No, that isn't regulation of speech it's regulation of the airwaves.
Should some airwaves be reserved for the exclusive use of some groups, and denied to the public?
That isn't something I would necessarily agree with but if the voters around me decided to keep a portion of the available frequencies open to public instead of renting them out to corporations then I can be out voted. It still wouldn't be denying anyones right of free speech.
487 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:38:32am |
re: #481 Cato the Elder
Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.
Also helps to drive a less expensive car than the other guy.
488 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:38:55am |
re: #475 Mad Al-Jaffee
Do it while you can! And for at least the preent and immediate future, everyone loves us - you won't have to tell people you're from Canada!
/
I never told anyone I was anything but what I am - a representative of the evil Republic. They dealt with it in various ways. A stony glance and a reference to CIA black sites was usually enough to shut up the really dumb ones.
489 | Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:02am |
re: #480 Obdicut
The site that track stimulus spending has been up for a while now. I suppose it's a nice idea but it mostly just provides critics something to hyperventilate over. I don't know if it has actually produced anything positive yet.
490 | brucee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:31am |
Roeder Murder Trial Live through CNN
(Might need to open a new pop-up window, so allow this popup)
491 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:36am |
re: #482 iceweasel
I don't think the exchange rate would be much worse than what the banks give you anyways walking in. IIRC, the exchange rate for the ATM was straight-up since the banks were getting processing fees. (That might well have changed.) I think I exchanged some money at the airport, and then got pounds from ATMs the rest of the trip. Which worked quite well since we were usually using B&Bs to stay in and most of them preferred cash, and many did not take credit at all.
492 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:39:57am |
re: #481 Cato the Elder
Exactly. It's like dealing with New York taxi drivers. You have to give the clear impression that you care less about the possible damage to your car than they do about theirs. Whoosh! The let you slide right in front of them. Works every time.
Heck, this is the case in a lot of American cities. I run into it up here, and especially in Chicago - the biggest asshole gets the spot, because he cares less about banging up his car than everyone else around him. It's like playing chicken with a train.
493 | albusteve Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:40:10am |
901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park
the Plates are deciding what to do next
[Link: www.9news.com...]
494 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:40:32am |
re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee
I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.
Thailand is amazing.
They're all on my list. Truth be told, I kind of want to travel to almost anywhere.
Those are in my top 5, though.
495 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:41:28am |
I don't even like to drive when I go to other US cities. Try going to big cities in South America. Get in the cab, close your eyes, hope for the best.
496 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:41:38am |
re: #493 albusteve
The Yellowstone caldera is mid-plate. I believe the current theory is that it is sitting on a hot spot / weak point.
497 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:17am |
re: #494 iceweasel
My father goes to Thailand pretty much every January. Much nicer weather there than Vienna. He also goes to the seaside in Croatia every summer. And usually Paris (or other parts of France) at least one a year. He has a pretty good life.
498 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:31am |
re: #491 oaktree
I don't think the exchange rate would be much worse than what the banks give you anyways walking in. IIRC, the exchange rate for the ATM was straight-up since the banks were getting processing fees. (That might well have changed.) I think I exchanged some money at the airport, and then got pounds from ATMs the rest of the trip. Which worked quite well since we were usually using B&Bs to stay in and most of them preferred cash, and many did not take credit at all.
Yes-- but that has changed now. Lots of hidden fees. Depending on how long you go though, and where you're staying, it might still be the best bet.
Definitely worth it to talk to your bank and the CC co's beforehand to decide, imo.
499 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:34am |
re: #489 Killgore Trout
The site that track stimulus spending has been up for a while now. I suppose it's a nice idea but it mostly just provides critics something to hyperventilate over. I don't know if it has actually produced anything positive yet.
Like ,, umm,, JOBS!!
500 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:34am |
re: #493 albusteve
901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park
the Plates are deciding what to do next
[Link: www.9news.com...]
It's Bush and Cheney's fault!!!
501 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:52am |
re: #487 Naso Tang
Also helps to drive a less expensive car than the other guy.
I have not found that to be true. The Lincoln Connie beats most other cars in the "scratch me, I'm expensive" department, but when driven with the attitude of Early Grayce in "Kalifornia", people get the fuck out of your way.
502 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:42:58am |
re: #496 oaktree
The Yellowstone caldera is mid-plate. I believe the current theory is that it is sitting on a hot spot / weak point.
The plate has a hernia??
503 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:43:03am |
re: #497 Mad Al-Jaffee
My father goes to Thailand pretty much every January. Much nicer weather there than Vienna. He also goes to the seaside in Croatia every summer. And usually Paris (or other parts of France) at least one a year. He has a pretty good life.
He sounds very interesting!
504 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:44:09am |
505 | gregb Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:44:40am |
re: #488 Cato the Elder
I never told anyone I was anything but what I am - a representative of the evil Republic. They dealt with it in various ways. A stony glance and a reference to CIA black sites was usually enough to shut up the really dumb ones.
After college, a buddy of mine and I decided to take a 10,000 mile road trip through all of mainland Mexico and central America. We ended up in Palenque a year before the zapatista uprising in Chiapas. Two dumb Americans in an expensive jeep speaking in horrible accents driving through who-knows-where with tons of surfboards in the back.....they thought we were CIA all the way. Or at least drug dealers.
People's reactions are funny. To wit:
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
506 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:44:56am |
507 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:45:58am |
509 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:16am |
510 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:25am |
512 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:47:57am |
513 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:48:21am |
514 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:48:33am |
re: #461 Mad Al-Jaffee
I was only 12 when I went to Egypt and Israel. I would love to return go back now.
Thailand is amazing.
I went on a dig in Israel. I will never forget it.
BTW they really have big black helicopters there.
515 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:49:08am |
re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, he's not Scottish - just retired with enough pensions and investments to travel as much as he wants to.
heh-- wasn't going to make a 'lamb' joke, reckoned someone would for me. :-)
/it's the NZlanders and Aussies with sheep, dammit!
516 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:49:56am |
517 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:50:17am |
re: #515 iceweasel
heh-- wasn't going to make a 'lamb' joke, reckoned someone would for me. :-)
/it's the NZlanders and Aussies with sheep, dammit!
But it's the Scots who invented the cliff method.
518 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:51:04am |
re: #515 iceweasel
heh-- wasn't going to make a 'lamb' joke, reckoned someone
wouldwool'd for me. :-)
519 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:51:19am |
re: #434 Sattv4u2
re: #430 RogueOne
I grew up with "roundabouts" in and around Boston. We called them rotaries
Out of state freinds who came to visit would absoluttly FREAK when they saw them
Is that the same thing as a traffic circle?
Traffic circles work really for keeping traffic moving IF people know what they're doing when the try to navigate them. Otherwise - fender bender city.
520 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:51:47am |
re: #517 Cato the Elder
But it's the Scots who invented the cliff method.
Uhoh, Do I want to know what that is?
/tell me anyway.
521 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:52:27am |
re: #519 reine.de.tout
Is that the same thing as a traffic circle?
Traffic circles work really for keeping traffic moving IF people know what they're doing when the try to navigate them. Otherwise - fender bender city.
Yes. Traffic circle, roundabout, rotary.
522 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:52:33am |
re: #493 albusteve
901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park
the Plates are deciding what to do next
[Link: www.9news.com...]
I wonder if Yogi's pic-a-nic basket fell off the pic-a-nic table.
523 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:53:55am |
re: #519 reine.de.tout
Is that the same thing as a traffic circle?
Traffic circles work really for keeping traffic moving IF people know what they're doing when the try to navigate them. Otherwise - fender bender city.
Yup
One in the same
524 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:53:56am |
re: #520 iceweasel
Uhoh, Do I want to know what that is?
/tell me anyway.
Offline, someday, I will. NSFLGF.
525 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:54:35am |
re: #520 iceweasel
Uhoh, Do I want to know what that is?
/tell me anyway.
Something about Cato and sheep makes me not want to hear anything more..
526 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:12am |
re: #492 thedopefishlives
Heck, this is the case in a lot of American cities. I run into it up here, and especially in Chicago - the biggest asshole gets the spot, because he cares less about banging up his car than everyone else around him. It's like playing chicken with a train.
If you don't take your space, no one will give it to you. Chicago driving is like watching evolution on the road. Survival of the fittest.
527 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:17am |
re: #525 cliffster
cue the standard "guy in a dog suit" response
528 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:23am |
re: #525 cliffster
Something about Cato and sheep makes me not want to hear anything more..
All I can tell you is, given how good the stories he tells on LGF are, those who don't have access to the off-line Cato are missing a lot...
529 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:45am |
re: #503 iceweasel
He sounds very interesting!
He is. He has something like 3 master's degrees, served a long time in the Navy and government, worked for the UN in Vienna a few years, and stayed there and got remarried when his contract was up. I've been to the UN building in Vienna quite a few times. They don't have a seat for Michael Jordan, like the one in NY does.
530 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:56:57am |
re: #486 RogueOne
But airwaves are a medium of speech. What is the non-speech related part of me setting up a transmitter and broadcasting on a certain frequency?
That isn't something I would necessarily agree with but if the voters around me decided to keep a portion of the available frequencies open to public instead of renting them out to corporations then I can be out voted. It still wouldn't be denying anyones right of free speech.
No, that's not what I mean. I mean that certain bands of radio are restricted for the use of the government, for emergency services, military use, etc.
531 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:27am |
532 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:44am |
I've got my iPhone hooked up, syncing and charging.
And I keep hearing "pings".
Is it - FB chat?
Is it yahoo chat?
Is it yahoo e-mail?
Is it regular e-mail?
Is it iPhone text?
Is it iPhone e-mail?
It's occurred to me there are so many ways to communicate that all have the a similar "ping" notification, confusion could cause us to completely fail to connect in any way
533 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:45am |
re: #523 sattv4u2
Yup
One in the same
One and the same.
Roundabouts are the best way to keep traffic moving. I've never understood how people can have a problem with them. It's, like, if there's no one coming round the circle from the left (or right, if you're in Britland), you can go. As long as you're in the circle you have the right of way. Two simple rules.
Why do Americans feel safer with stop lights? This is the land of the free, dammit!
535 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:52am |
re: #528 iceweasel
All I can tell you is, given how good the stories he tells on LGF are, those who don't have access to the off-line Cato are missing a lot...
That might be true. But all I'm saying is, if it's sheep-related, I don't want to hear it ;)
536 | Taqyia2Me Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:57:56am |
re: #493 albusteve
901 earthquakes shake up Yellowstone National Park
the Plates are deciding what to do next
[Link: www.9news.com...]
Uh-oh, caldera alert!
537 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:58:20am |
re: #526 ggt
If you don't take your space, no one will give it to you. Chicago driving is like watching evolution on the road. Survival of the fittest.
Yep. I learned how to drive in the Chicago suburbs, which aren't a whole lot better than being in the city itself. You have to learn how to be an offensive driver out there.
538 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 8:58:32am |
re: #521 iceweasel
Yes. Traffic circle, roundabout, rotary.
I like the signs in some suburban areas that say "Traffic Calming Area." what do they do to the traffic? Play classical music? Massage it? Give it Xanax?
539 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:03am |
541 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:35am |
re: #537 thedopefishlives
Yep. I learned how to drive in the Chicago suburbs, which aren't a whole lot better than being in the city itself. You have to learn how to be an offensive driver out there.
Hey, if you wan't to drive with the Big Dogs . . .
542 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:49am |
re: #528 iceweasel
All I can tell you is, given how good the stories he tells on LGF are, those who don't have access to the off-line Cato are missing a lot...
Notice how no one doubted my Uma Thurman story from way up-thread. I don't need to make stuff up - my life has been weird from the start.
543 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:00:59am |
re: #539 ryannon
Don't go all testy on us, Joe.
I would go to Quizno's for lunch today, but I brought my own sandwich.
545 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:02:37am |
re: #543 Mad Al-Jaffee
I would go to Quizno's for lunch today, but I brought my own sandwich.
Quizno's wouldn't appreciate you bringing your own sandwich into their restaurant.
I am going to make some coffee --wish I can a can of Cafe du Monde. Think I'll buy some next time I"m at the store.
546 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:02:48am |
re: #542 Cato the Elder
Notice how no one doubted my Uma Thurman story from way up-thread. I don't need to make stuff up - my life has been weird from the start.
Didn't see it til now. I have a friend who had a housemate in the 90s who told me he knew her in high school. He said she was one of those weird art chicks who walked barefoot everywhere (even in the snow in New England.) I guess that prepared her for Kill Bill.
547 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:03:13am |
re: #544 lawhawk
The do that weird shit just so they can give tickets to random out-of-towners.
548 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:04:10am |
re: #545 ggt
My post was a bad pun attempt. Testy, QUIZnos. :)
549 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:04:15am |
re: #546 Mad Al-Jaffee
Didn't see it til now. I have a friend who had a housemate in the 90s who told me he knew her in high school. He said she was one of those weird art chicks who walked barefoot everywhere (even in the snow in New England.) I guess that prepared her for Kill Bill.
True. And she has very flat feet.
550 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:04:47am |
re: #533 Cato the Elder
One and the same
Dammit ,, I wrote that 1st and it didn't look right
Thought about it too
One IN the same, meaning one thing in a group of same things!
Ah well
551 | Kragar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:11am |
re: #532 reine.de.tout
I've got my iPhone hooked up, syncing and charging.
And I keep hearing "pings".
Is it - FB chat?
Is it yahoo chat?
Is it yahoo e-mail?
Is it regular e-mail?
Is it iPhone text?
Is it iPhone e-mail?It's occurred to me there are so many ways to communicate that all have the a similar "ping" notification, confusion could cause us to completely fail to connect in any way
Actually, you dont have an iPhone, you purchased the newest model of the machine that goes ping. Honest mistake.
552 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:13am |
re: #548 Mad Al-Jaffee
My post was a bad pun attempt. Testy, QUIZnos. :)
You're right, that pun sucked ass ;)
553 | Aye Pod Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:42am |
Morning all!
Chris Morris's Four Lions: exclusive clip from the 'jihadist comedy'
Four Lions, the eagerly-awaited feature film debut from Brass Eye's Chris Morris, premieres at the Sundance film festival on Saturday. In this exclusive clip, we see how not to buy a dozen bottles of bomb-making bleach
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Chris Morris (The Day Today, Brass Eye, Nathan Barley) is second to none when it comes to satire. This looks hilarious.
554 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:05:45am |
Today's my blogversary. 5 years. For those who care about such things. More than 6,000 posts since I started (blogger can't keep up and only shows the most recent 5,000), and while traffic comes and goes, I'm still posting on the stuff I want to post about and doing things my way. Thanks to anyone that's suffered through my links and comments.
555 | Semper Fi Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:06:33am |
It was good reading and dinging this morning. Have a nice day everyone.
556 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:07:06am |
re: #554 lawhawk
Today's my blogversary. 5 years. For those who care about such things. More than 6,000 posts since I started (blogger can't keep up and only shows the most recent 5,000), and while traffic comes and goes, I'm still posting on the stuff I want to post about and doing things my way. Thanks to anyone that's suffered through my links and comments.
[Video]
Congrats! I like your blog and always appreciate your posts here. Keep it up!
I recommend multiple updings for lawhawk today.
557 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:07:14am |
Interesting photo slide show - short, so take a look.
Teens views of New Orleans after Katrina:
558 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:07:38am |
re: #555 Semper Fi
It was good reading and dinging this morning. Have a nice day everyone.
Toodles and happy Friday to you
561 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:08:52am |
re: #556 Mad Al-Jaffee
Congrats! I like your blog and always appreciate your posts here. Keep it up!
I recommend multiple updings for lawhawk today.
Screw him, he has enough of them!!
//
Seriously... CONGRATS LawHawk. Your posts are appreciated
562 | Aye Pod Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:09:57am |
re: #559 iceweasel
"IRA voice..."
ha!
"Why has she got her hands on her face then?"
"Eh...'cos she's got a beard"
563 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:12:43am |
564 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:13:56am |
re: #530 Obdicut
But airwaves are a medium of speech. What is the non-speech related part of me setting up a transmitter and broadcasting on a certain frequency?
No, that's not what I mean. I mean that certain bands of radio are restricted for the use of the government, for emergency services, military use, etc.
The ruling was based on speech, not the medium. I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.
565 | Buck Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:14:45am |
re: #532 reine.de.tout
I've got my iPhone hooked up, syncing and charging.
And I keep hearing "pings".
Is it - FB chat?
Is it yahoo chat?
Is it yahoo e-mail?
Is it regular e-mail?
Is it iPhone text?
Is it iPhone e-mail?It's occurred to me there are so many ways to communicate that all have the a similar "ping" notification, confusion could cause us to completely fail to connect in any way
It might be an old fashioned phone call, but I doubt it. No one does that any more.
/s
566 | Bagua Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:15:40am |
re: #554 lawhawk
Congratulations and thank you for your valuable blog and comments here which provide us with so much valuable insight. I very much appreciate your efforts.
569 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:17:12am |
re: #565 Buck
It might be an old fashioned phone call, but I doubt it. No one does that any more.
/s
I don't have pings. Althought I did program my ringtones etc.
570 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:17:43am |
re: #557 reine.de.tout
Interesting photo slide show - short, so take a look.
Teens views of New Orleans after Katrina:
That was good. Tks
571 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:18:28am |
re: #565 Buck
It might be an old fashioned phone call, but I doubt it. No one does that any more.
/s
I hate phone calls, they interrupt my apps. and my naps.
572 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:19:21am |
573 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:19:42am |
re: #564 RogueOne
The point I'm making is that we clearly do limit, regulate, and consider the other effects of speech all the time. There is nothing about money-as-speech that makes it different and not able to be considered as to its ramifications and effects.
Speech of one individual can interfere with the speech of another. Radio waves are an easy example of that.
574 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:24:39am |
575 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:25:10am |
576 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:26:38am |
577 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:29:56am |
Could someone help me locate the gizmo on LGF that enlarges everything? Thanks :)
578 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:30:10am |
re: #573 Obdicut
The point I'm making is that we clearly do limit, regulate, and consider the other effects of speech all the time. There is nothing about money-as-speech that makes it different and not able to be considered as to its ramifications and effects.
Speech of one individual can interfere with the speech of another. Radio waves are an easy example of that.
We do not limit "radio waves." It is allocated for just the opposite reason, the keep free speech from being interfered with.
And with the advent of the internet, there are SO many new ways that someone can get their message out, even with minimum financial investment.
It's a whole new ball game and the typical speech controlling progressives are pissing in their pants about it.
Tough shit. Find some other idiots to fool, it's not playing here.
579 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:30:23am |
re: #574 ggt
I like the sunflower.
That one was taken by son of a HS buddy of mine who lived in NO, got evacuated and lived (and worked) in Tampa for awhile, and has now returned.
580 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:30:52am |
Downside to getting a free cabin in the woods to live in from your boss: He feels free to drive up whenever he takes the notion. Usually when you're not wearing pants.
581 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:31:36am |
re: #577 Blueheron
Could someone help me locate the gizmo on LGF that enlarges everything? Thanks :)
You have to tell us tell us the seekrit password first!
582 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:31:53am |
re: #439 cliffster
Naso I think it boils down to the idea that the government should not be in the business of who can say what, ever.
Exactly. I think the majority summed it up nicely. "The Government may not by these means deprive the public of the right and privilege to determine for itself what speech and speakers are worthy of consideration. The First Amendment protects speech and speaker, and the ideas that flow from each."
583 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:32:11am |
584 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:32:12am |
Just found out my friend John lost his job yesterday. Major league suckage. Married with a two year old. They were barely making it as it was.
And he's well over 150lbs overweight. He's got a major struggle in front of him.
Light a candle for him if you don't mind.
585 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:16am |
re: #578 Walter L. Newton
We do not limit "radio waves." It is allocated for just the opposite reason, the keep free speech from being interfered with.
Exactly.
Tough shit. Find some other idiots to fool, it's not playing here.
Walter, your arguments would be a lot more convincing without all the odd assumptions about the mental states of those you're talking to.
Actual progressives would laugh at the idea that I'm a progressive, too.
586 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:36am |
re: #580 Cato the Elder
Downside to getting a free cabin in the woods to live in from your boss: He feels free to drive up whenever he takes the notion. Usually when you're not wearing pants.
He's in for a shock, I've seen you without pants. Sarah Palin print briefs... eeeeewwwww....
587 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:44am |
588 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:33:58am |
re: #585 Obdicut
Walter, your arguments would be a lot more convincing without all the odd assumptions about the mental states of those you're talking to.
Actual progressives would laugh at the idea that I'm a progressive, too.
I'm not laughing.
589 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:34:28am |
re: #584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just found out my friend John lost his job yesterday. Major league suckage. Married with a two year old. They were barely making it as it was.
And he's well over 150lbs overweight. He's got a major struggle in front of him.
Light a candle for him if you don't mind.
I will. Literally. A five-day candle if I can get one.
Tell him to sign over his unemployment benefits to his wife, get in his car, and drive around the country until he finds something. Seriously. Worked for me.
590 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:34:34am |
re: #586 Walter L. Newton
He's in for a shock, I've seen you without pants. Sarah Palin print briefs... eeewww...
I had to upding for the pure laugh value, 1, of Cato wearing Sarah Palin anything, and 2, for the idea of Sarah Palin print briefs. Though I don't doubt there are a lot of nutjobs out there having wet dreams about her.
592 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:35:46am |
re: #591 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
mmm. Sarah...
And I suppose you think Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) is cute too, eh? *shudder*
593 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:35:55am |
re: #590 thedopefishlives
I had to upding for the pure laugh value, 1, of Cato wearing Sarah Palin anything, and 2, for the idea of Sarah Palin print briefs. Though I don't doubt there are a lot of nutjobs out there having wet dreams about her.
I've decided it's the sexy librarian fantasy I guess a lot of people are in to it.
594 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:00am |
re: #586 Walter L. Newton
He's in for a shock, I've seen you without pants. Sarah Palin print briefs... eeewww...
TMI from both of youz.
595 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:16am |
re: #590 thedopefishlives
I had to upding for the pure laugh value, 1, of Cato wearing Sarah Palin anything, and 2, for the idea of Sarah Palin print briefs. Though I don't doubt there are a lot of nutjobs out there having wet dreams about her.
Hey, Sarah Palin can cure ED. An angry hard-on is still a hard-on.
596 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:33am |
re: #593 ggt
I've decided it's the sexy librarian fantasy I guess a lot of people are in to it.
You know, I thought she was kinda cute when she first appeared on the national stage. She seems to have lost a bit of appeal for me, even before she turned out to be a raving lunatic.
597 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:36:36am |
re: #589 Cato the Elder
I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.
It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.
598 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:37:27am |
re: #587 Mad Al-Jaffee
Ok I am in Mstr Spy. Now what? Please.
599 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:38:00am |
re: #592 thedopefishlives
She's crazy. Crazy's not sexy.
I don't think Sarah's crazy. I think Sarah's an opportunist.
Which I also am.
600 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:38:32am |
re: #598 Blueheron
Ok I am in Mstr Spy. Now what? Please.
Now I'm not sure. I really haven't used that feature much.
601 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:00am |
re: #596 thedopefishlives
You know, I thought she was kinda cute when she first appeared on the national stage. She seems to have lost a bit of appeal for me, even before she turned out to be a raving lunatic.
Willful ignorance is not an attractive quality and Sarah Palin embodies it. And she doesn't fit the librarian model because that would imply that she actually was well-read.
602 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:28am |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.
It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.
Married men, or men with a partner, yes-- I think they do take it worse than married or partnered women.
Single women take it just as hard though as single men.
I'm very sorry for your friend; best of luck to him and his.
603 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:28am |
I wanna be a Master Spy!
OK, maybe not.
604 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:59am |
605 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:39:59am |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.
It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.
I think part of it is that men have been more or less bred to be providers and at least mild workaholics. Even the geeks that live in their mother's basement understand the principle of supporting themselves and have some modicum of shame about not doing so. It is a hard thing to lose one's livelihood and be at risk of not being able to maintain a respectable living standard.
606 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:40:01am |
re: #593 ggt
I've decided it's the sexy librarian fantasy I guess a lot of people are in to it.
I'd like her to switch to the Japanese schoolgirl look. The psychotic Japanese schoolgirl, à la Gogo in "Kill Bill".
607 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:40:19am |
608 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:40:30am |
re: #601 Dark_Falcon
Willful ignorance is not an attractive quality and Sarah Palin embodies it. And she doesn't fit the librarian model because that would imply that she actually was well-read.
The glasses, the hair, the suit . . . .
609 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:06am |
re: #602 iceweasel
Oh, yeah. That's what I meant. Manly men with families would rather find out they had cancer than find out they've lost their jobs. At least that's been my experience.
610 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:18am |
611 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:41:27am |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
I'd like her to switch to the Japanese schoolgirl look. The psychotic Japanese schoolgirl, à la Gogo in "Kill Bill".
That's just because you want to spank her with the flat of a sword.
//
613 | Cato the Elder Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:42:25am |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I lost my job three years ago and sat on the couch for two months before the fog cleared.
It is a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but, for some reason, I think that men take it worse.
Which is why in all earnestness I recommend an immediate road trip. Go see family or something. You never know what will come of it.
614 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:42:54am |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think that culturally it's a lot more tied into our ego and sense of self-worth. I'm a workaholic. Stuff is all screwed up at work, and I'm the one fixing it all, and it makes me feel awesome to do so. Not just because I'm helping other people who I like and respect out, but also out of some more primal sense of fulfillment.
615 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:03am |
re: #608 ggt
The glasses, the hair, the suit . . .
Yeah, she did fit the mold, until she started talking. Then she ruined it with witless banter punctuated with "You Betcha"s.
616 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:21am |
re: #613 Cato the Elder
Which is why in all earnestness I recommend an immediate road trip. Go see family or something. You never know what will come of it.
Truthfully, this isn't bad advice. When I lost my first job straight out of college, I picked up another one from a recruiter I'd given my number to when visiting the lady who would eventually become the Mrs. Fish.
617 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:38am |
I've met quite a few "sexy librarian" types in my times, and they were nothing like the stereotype. They were real librarians, and very attractive young women who dress like other young women who aren't librarians. Go to a Special Library Association or American Library Association meeting some time. You'll be surprised.
618 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:43:52am |
re: #615 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, she did fit the mold, until she started talking. Then she ruined it with witless banter punctuated with "You Betcha"s.
Which probably enhanced her attractiveness to a lot of guys, since they don't pay their women to think.
619 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:44:00am |
re: #614 Obdicut
I think that culturally it's a lot more tied into our ego and sense of self-worth. I'm a workaholic. Stuff is all screwed up at work, and I'm the one fixing it all, and it makes me feel awesome to do so. Not just because I'm helping other people who I like and respect out, but also out of some more primal sense of fulfillment.
... or importance?
620 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:44:48am |
Ok, sexy librarian with a gun fantasy . . .
621 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:45:32am |
re: #616 thedopefishlives
The stupidest thing I've ever done is not use my various connections to land jobs. Every job I've gotten has been from applying out of the blue. Many friends of mine have said, "I didn't even know you were looking, X would have hired you." Some weird kind of pride has, in the past, inhibited me from doing so.
These days, I think I'd be a bit smarter about it if I had to find another job.
re: #619 Walter L. Newton
You're just bound and determined to play interwebs psychologist, aren't you? Go ahead.
622 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:45:53am |
re: #602 iceweasel
Single women take it just as hard though as single men.
Agreed. This is especially true with my generation. While men stress over the ability to care for a family (either now or in the future) the women I know take an enormous amount of pride in the ability to be independent and take care of themselves without the help of a man's income. If they plan to get married, they want to be sure they are financial equals and do not need to chose a partner based on his ability to make money. Being laid off damages that.
623 | ryannon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:47:12am |
624 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:47:24am |
re: #618 thedopefishlives
Which probably enhanced her attractiveness to a lot of guys, since they don't pay their women to think.
Thankfully, none of those people are on this blog. They aren't even stalkers, because taking any interest in LGF implies that one is already unusually well-informed about world events.
625 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:47:55am |
re: #621 Obdicut
I'm new to the labor force, having only been out of college for a bit less than four years, so I have no qualms about employing just about any means necessary to get a job. I use Monster and other similar sites, as well as plying my in-laws' extensive family tree for connections, along with recruiters I've met during previous job searches. I still go to lunch with some of them from time to time to keep up on business talk and keep options open. Networking is a lot easier in these days than it was in my father's day, I think.
626 | tradewind Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:12am |
re: #158 RogueOne
Can't really argue nos. 1 & 2...... but even though I own a pair of the sweetest ever Goldens, you'd have to classify Goldens and Labs as more trainable than innately smart. There are way craftier ( meaning smart, to me) breeds not listed there.
627 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:13am |
re: #622 soap_man
I'm single and I kind of liked being unemployed. But my situation was different. I accepted a severance package instead of being laid off. I had 4 1/2 months of full pay and benefits. When that ran out, I temped for a few months, including a job where I mainly worked from home. When that ended, I was on unemplyment for a couple of months, but I was able to find my current job.
I guess it would have been different if I had been laid off.
628 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:14am |
The sexy librarian with a gun senerio may not work for those here ate LGF, but it seems to be working for quite a few people out there.
629 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48:45am |
re: #600 Mad Al-Jaffee
Now I'm not sure. I really haven't used that feature much.
I found it. It is in 'account'. I have the font size set so high I have to sit 6 feet away from the computer.
630 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:49:21am |
re: #605 thedopefishlives
I think part of it is that men have been more or less bred to be providers and at least mild workaholics. Even the geeks that live in their mother's basement understand the principle of supporting themselves and have some modicum of shame about not doing so. It is a hard thing to lose one's livelihood and be at risk of not being able to maintain a respectable living standard.
I think that's right, but women also feel shame if they think they aren't supporting the family enough.
I'm no gender essentialist, but I do think there are differences between men and women, and while feminism has (rightfully) concentrated on the ways that our societal and cultural gender rols affect women, what is less attended to is how each affects men.
And men are told from birth (and I think it's also part of their nature) to care for, protect, provide for, those they love.
In our society as its set up, that generally means making money, for men's role.
I think this is destructive for both genders, because it sets up a situation where men are supposed to be judged on (and themselves feel that their worth is about) how they financially provide.
Another (bad) result is that men who are taking on an untraditional role, like being the one who stays home with the kids, often feel like they aren't good enough in some way, simply because they aren't the ones bringing home the money. Or other people make them feel that way.
It's a problem.
631 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:49:27am |
re: #628 ggt
The sexy librarian with a gun senerio may not work for those here ate LGF, but it seems to be working for quite a few people out there.
Yeah, as DF mentioned upthread, not so much for most lizards or even anti-lizards. Myself, the Mrs. Fish is more of the adventurous, boisterous tomboy type - well-read, naturally curious, and energetic to a fault.
632 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:49:53am |
re: #625 thedopefishlives
Yeah. It was definitely just me being stupid-- of course networking matters, and of course it should matter. Personal recommendations-- now that I participate in hiring decisions myself-- from someone I know are incredibly valuable, and the best possible predictor of that employee's performance that I've found.
633 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:50:04am |
re: #626 tradewind
Can't really argue nos. 1 & 2... but even though I own a pair of the sweetest ever Goldens, you'd have to classify Goldens and Labs as more trainable than innately smart. There are way craftier ( meaning smart, to me) breeds not listed there.
some dogs are smart enough to be only as smart as they need to be. Lets them pull the wool over our eyes.
634 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:50:08am |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
I'd like her to switch to the Japanese schoolgirl look. The psychotic Japanese schoolgirl, à la Gogo in "Kill Bill".
Gogo Yubari
Japanese Businessman: [in Japanese; subtitled] Do you like Ferraris?
Go Go Yubari: [in Japanese] Ferraris... Italian trash.
[Japanese businessman giggles]
Go Go Yubari: Do you want to screw me?
[Japanese businessman giggles again]
Go Go Yubari: Don't laugh. Do you want to screw me, yes or no?
Japanese Businessman: Yes.
[She stabs him in the stomach with a Samurai short sword]
Go Go Yubari: How about now, big boy? Do you still wish to penetrate me?... Or is it I who has penetrated you?
Gogo should be the victim of all child molesters.
635 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:50:32am |
re: #632 Obdicut
Yeah. It was definitely just me being stupid-- of course networking matters, and of course it should matter. Personal recommendations-- now that I participate in hiring decisions myself-- from someone I know are incredibly valuable, and the best possible predictor of that employee's performance that I've found.
Agreed. I've been in on some interviewing panels, and when they know a guy that works in another department of the company, it makes a difference.
636 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:52:00am |
re: #627 Mad Al-Jaffee
Boy, insert a family into that and being laid off...
I swear. If I'm told I have cancer, at least I don't feel I am at fault.
637 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:52:27am |
re: #621 Obdicut
You're just bound and determined to play interwebs psychologist, aren't you? Go ahead.
No, I was adding to your observation. I wasn't talking about you. Interesting you took it that way. Oh, there I go again playing interwebs psychologist.
Chill out, I was agreeing with you and elaborating. I was in and out of work for the last 5 years, not able to get full time employment in my career, which is a Oracle programmer. One of the things I kept running up against was agism.
So, I took a two year career in live theatre, and even that financially didn't take care of all things.
So, now I'm working a full time job, in a furniture department of a thrift store, and I know what you mean. I come home and have a real sense of fulfillment and importance for what I have done to that furniture department, which was in dire need of some help.
So, chill out.
638 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:53:52am |
gotta go Lizards!
Have a great rest-of-the-day!
639 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:53:56am |
re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gogo Yubari
Japanese Businessman: [in Japanese; subtitled] Do you like Ferraris?
Go Go Yubari: [in Japanese] Ferraris... Italian trash.
[Japanese businessman giggles]
Go Go Yubari: Do you want to screw me?
[Japanese businessman giggles again]
Go Go Yubari: Don't laugh. Do you want to screw me, yes or no?
Japanese Businessman: Yes.
[She stabs him in the stomach with a Samurai short sword]
Go Go Yubari: How about now, big boy? Do you still wish to penetrate me?... Or is it I who has penetrated you?Gogo should be the victim of all child molesters.
BTW, the short sword is call a wakazashi. Traditionally, it was worn by samurai when in their homes. The only time a samurai would be unarmed would be when he was
in bed.
(Been wanting to do an 'in bed joke for a while now'."
640 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:09am |
re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Boy, insert a family into that and being laid off...
I swear. If I'm told I have cancer, at least I don't feel I am at fault.
Yeah, but like I said, I'm single and I chose to leave my job, with a big cusion of pad time to find new work. I was actually recruited by NSA during that time. I wasn't interviewed until a couple of months into it and I didn't get the job. (or maybe I did and can't talk about it!!!!)
641 | tradewind Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:30am |
re: #632 Obdicut
Excluding jobs requiring narrowly specialized skill sets, who you know has always been as or more important than what you know. I would have to try hard to think of an exception among my acquaintances.
642 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:42am |
Dammit! Just got ANOTHER freakin' rejection letter.
Trying to switch careers in a recession sucks.
643 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:59am |
644 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:55:16am |
re: #630 iceweasel
I think that's right, but women also feel shame if they think they aren't supporting the family enough.
I'm no gender essentialist, but I do think there are differences between men and women, and while feminism has (rightfully) concentrated on the ways that our societal and cultural gender rols affect women, what is less attended to is how each affects men.
And men are told from birth (and I think it's also part of their nature) to care for, protect, provide for, those they love.
In our society as its set up, that generally means making money, for men's role.
I think this is destructive for both genders, because it sets up a situation where men are supposed to be judged on (and themselves feel that their worth is about) how they financially provide.
Another (bad) result is that men who are taking on an untraditional role, like being the one who stays home with the kids, often feel like they aren't good enough in some way, simply because they aren't the ones bringing home the money. Or other people make them feel that way.It's a problem.
My girlfriend starts medical school in the fall. If we were to marry, she would make much more money than me. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
She told her father I said that, and he said "I could never tolerate making less than my wife." How things change in such a relatively brief period of time.
645 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:56:21am |
re: #644 soap_man
When my wife and I married she made four times what I made. Didn't bother me a bit.
646 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:57:45am |
re: #645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Salma Hayek makes much more than I ever will, and I would have no problems with her being my wife.
647 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:57:55am |
re: #644 soap_man
My girlfriend starts medical school in the fall. If we were to marry, she would make much more money than me. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
She told her father I said that, and he said "I could never tolerate making less than my wife." How things change in such a relatively brief period of time.
I think it's definitely generational. For sure. It isn't a problem now-- not as much.
649 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:25am |
Good day, folks.
There's nothing more "pleasant" than getting to work at 9AM, only to leave the office at 1AM, then have to be back at the office at 9AM again...
Never take a salaried job that doesn't believe in comp time. Believe me.
650 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:30am |
re: #637 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure how, after I stated :
Not just because I'm helping other people who I like and respect out, but also out of some more primal sense of fulfillment.
and you reply:
... or importance?
You can claim to not be talking about me. It's certainly the most obvious interpretation.
I'll accept you didn't mean it negatively, however.
651 | Obdicut Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:59:11am |
re: #649 MrSilverDragon
And does yours? Are you building up some nice comp?
652 | tradewind Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:59:19am |
re: #644 soap_man
If we were to marry, she would make much more money than me
That's many years and a few hundred thousand dollars worth of student loans down the pike, for most physicians. You have plenty of time to catch her.//
653 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:59:41am |
re: #642 Guanxi88
Dammit! Just got ANOTHER freakin' rejection letter.
Trying to switch careers in a recession sucks.
Tell you what..... this keeps up, and I'm gonna revert to my jewbilly roots:
start running a still, selling bootleg 'baccy, and lending at exorbitant interest.
654 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:00:11am |
re: #651 Obdicut
And does yours? Are you building up some nice comp?
In a word... no.
I just have to keep telling myself "at least I have a job."
655 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:01:28am |
re: #650 Obdicut
I'm not sure how, after I stated :
You can claim to not be talking about me. It's certainly the most obvious interpretation.
I'll accept you didn't mean it negatively, however.
I don't give two shits how you take it, I explained myself.
656 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:01:45am |
re: #653 Guanxi88
Tell you what... this keeps up, and I'm gonna revert to my jewbilly roots:
start running a still, selling bootleg 'baccy, and lending at exorbitant interest.
All three of which, by the way, I've done recreationally at one time or another.
657 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:02:48am |
re: #652 tradewind
That's many years and a few hundred thousand dollars worth of student loans down the pike, for most physicians. You have plenty of time to catch her.//
She's actually very lucky. While her parents are far from wealthy, they both make very good money. She is an only child and her parents have been saving for her schooling she was born. So, no student loans for her. :)
Myself, on the other hand...
658 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:04:43am |
re: #630 iceweasel
I think that's right, but women also feel shame if they think they aren't supporting the family enough.
I'm no gender essentialist, but I do think there are differences between men and women, and while feminism has (rightfully) concentrated on the ways that our societal and cultural gender rols affect women, what is less attended to is how each affects men.
And men are told from birth (and I think it's also part of their nature) to care for, protect, provide for, those they love.
In our society as its set up, that generally means making money, for men's role.
I think this is destructive for both genders, because it sets up a situation where men are supposed to be judged on (and themselves feel that their worth is about) how they financially provide.
Another (bad) result is that men who are taking on an untraditional role, like being the one who stays home with the kids, often feel like they aren't good enough in some way, simply because they aren't the ones bringing home the money. Or other people make them feel that way.It's a problem.
The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"
659 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:04:59am |
re: #456 Mad Al-Jaffee
The craziest traffic I've seen has been in Cairo and Bangkok. Bangkok wasn't really that crazy, just busy and congested. Cairo has NO traffic laws.
I read an interview some time ago, with an Egyptian-born imam serving a congregation in NYC. He commented that he was super-impressed with the courtesy and law-abiding of New York drivers.
I make a mental note to never try to drive in Cairo.
660 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:05:38am |
See, everybody romanticizes the 'shiner's life, but when you get down to it, it's a helluva lotta work and hassle for cheap-ass corn whiskey. There's a rather inflexible demand for booze, though, and even stew-bums gotta drink.
"baccy, on the other hand, is a real moneymaker. All you need is the know-how and nice judgment to avoid the revenuers on that one. People treat 'baccy like it's gold (which it is), but truth is, most folk wouldn't know what a barn full of the stuff looked like, and would have no idea how to make it smokeable.
Usury requires start-up capital, and is heavily "regulated" by what I like to think of as Non-Governmental Organizations. Still, it's a fairly easy gig, all things considered.
661 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:05am |
re: #654 MrSilverDragon
It's a good mantra to keep these days.
662 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:08am |
re: #658 Alouette
The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"
That's definitely true, and transcends genders.
663 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:13am |
re: #656 Guanxi88
All three of which, by the way, I've done recreationally at one time or another.
Recreational lending... now there's a hobby for ya.
664 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:07:29am |
re: #661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's a good mantra to keep these days.
Which also is a thing that keep "The Man's" foot on our necks.
/ and not.
665 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:08:09am |
re: #663 MrSilverDragon
Recreational lending... now there's a hobby for ya.
It's cheap; practically pays for itself. There was a time, in my wild bachelor days, when I was cursed with money and simply had no time to spend it anymore. Knew a lotta guys who needed the cabbage from time to time, and so......
on paydays, I'd have steady stream of folks coming by my desk, to make their weekly payments. Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.
666 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:11am |
re: #660 Guanxi88
You're a font of interesting knowledge!
Start brewing potcheen and I'll buy a lot. Promise.
667 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:30am |
re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Which also is a thing that keep "The Man's" foot on our necks.
/ and not.
I keep telling you, the Hobbits had it all figured out. You live in a hut dug into a hillside, you plant your crops, you smoke your pipe and drink your ale, and all's well till the Shire gets scoured.
668 | MrSilverDragon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:35am |
re: #658 Alouette
The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"
And then there's Bernie Madoff... from rich to bitch.
669 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:46am |
re: #665 Guanxi88
on paydays, I'd have steady stream of folks coming by my desk, to make their weekly payments. Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.
Probably just jealous!
/Hey, if there's gonna be a bank in here, we oughta be running it!
670 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:10:54am |
re: #668 MrSilverDragon
And then there's Bernie Madoff... from rich to bitch.
I bet that little smirk got wiped of his face pretty quick!
671 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:11:50am |
re: #668 MrSilverDragon
And then there's Bernie Madoff... from rich to bitch.
Chris Rock said, (paraphrasing)
Black folks ain't rich. Some black folks are wealthy, but they ain't rich. You think Oprah's rich? Bill Cosby? If Bill Gates found out tomorrow that he had Bill Cosby's money? He'd jump out a fuckin' window.
672 | Jeff In Ohio Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:13:07am |
re: #647 iceweasel
I think it's definitely generational. For sure. It isn't a problem now-- not as much.
I stopped work a day job to raise kids as my wife had the higher income and benefits. I've only caught lip once, interestingly from my mother who didn't understand why I spent 4 years in college just to raise kids. My mom, she brings the love.
673 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:12am |
re: #670 SteveC
I bet that little smirk got wiped of his face pretty quick!
I wish, but when he got challenged to a fight in prison, it was the other guy who wound up decked. Apparently, he did learn to thrown a punch somewhere along the line.
674 | Blueheron Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:26am |
re: #665 Guanxi88
It's cheap; practically pays for itself. There was a time, in my wild bachelor days, when I was cursed with money and simply had no time to spend it anymore. Knew a lotta guys who needed the cabbage from time to time, and so...
on paydays, I'd have steady stream of folks coming by my desk, to make their weekly payments. Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.
Jealous more than likely.
675 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:41am |
re: #670 SteveC
I keep thinking of that old guy at the end of "Boogie Nights". In prison for kiddie porn. In a cell with a very mean version of John Coffey.
Just a quick shot... glasses slapped off his face, crying...
676 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:15:43am |
re: #673 Dark_Falcon
I wish, but when he got challenged to a fight in prison, it was the other guy who wound up decked. Apparently, he did learn to thrown a punch somewhere along the line.
But didn't he *ahem* fall off a bed a few weeks back? Earn a night or two in Graybar Memorial Hospital.
677 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:16:52am |
re: #665 Guanxi88
Bosses told me to knock it off; said it looked bad, or something like that.
Yeah, I bet the bosses weren't too happy with a bunch of their employees walking around with broken thumbs. :)
678 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:17:06am |
re: #675 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In a cell with a very mean version of John Coffey.
You goins to leave the lights on, Boss?
679 | Racer X Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:17:21am |
Charles must have been flying Southwest. They cancelled several flights into L.A. yesterday.
680 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:17:43am |
681 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:18:46am |
re: #666 iceweasel
You're a font of interesting knowledge!
Start brewing potcheen and I'll buy a lot. Promise.
See, now that isn't white lightning. Halfway decent poteen is still yards ahead of most corn squeezin's. Like so much of that culture, transplanting it to the Appalachians caused certain distortions, enhancements, and adaptations to local conditions.
So, Irish bootleg whiskey is miles ahead of the hillbilly version, even as hillbilly fiddlin' is years ahead of the Irish.
682 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:19:08am |
re: #676 SteveC
But didn't he *ahem* fall off a bed a few weeks back? Earn a night or two in Graybar Memorial Hospital.
That I had not heard. He deserves it if it happened.
683 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:19:43am |
Observation from a thrift store employee.
1) The more you wrap a used item in clear tape to keep smaller parts from getting separated from each other, the more determined the thrift store customer will be to rip it all apart, scatter it and make the item unsalable.
2) If you are walking down the isles of the use furniture department, it is you duty to open every door and drawer on every desk, hutch, dresser and entertainment center and leave them open.
3) If the piece of used electronic equipment has a sticker on it that says "works," that means we extensively tested it in the warehouse (well, we plugged it in). There is no need for you to cut the cord ties, rip the power supply off the nice tape we secured it with and find a plug to plug the whole mess into, AND THEN leave the whole mess on the floor where you examined it.
4) Sorry, older TV's are not digital signal compliant. We test the TV's with a digital/analog convertor antenna in the warehouse, but no amount of poking the buttons over an over will make a picture come in... and don't leave a 30 pound TV on the floor next to the wall plug.
5) Don't rearrange the department for me. I have mops and dusting tools in aisle one, why do you have to bring them to aisle seven, where I have sofas and put leave the mop on a sofa? Is that where you store your mops at home, on your sofa?
6) Finally, the furniture department is not the place to test out the used skateboards, I sell them in my department, but we are not set up to test them out, and no, you can't build a ramp out of the used skis, which I also sell.
684 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:20:04am |
re: #677 soap_man
Yeah, I bet the bosses weren't too happy with a bunch of their employees walking around with broken thumbs. :)
Funny thing was, I never had a problem collecting. Didn't even have to remind most guys.
If they're in straits dire enough to have to borrow rent money from a co-worker, they're painfully aware of their situation. So long as everyone acts like a gentleman, I don't need to bring in my associate, Mr. Knuckles.
685 | The Left Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:21:27am |
re: #681 Guanxi88
See, now that isn't white lightning. Halfway decent poteen is still yards ahead of most corn squeezin's
Yes, Brew some halfway decent potcheen and you'll be miles away....not to mention those who drink it.
686 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:21:34am |
re: #683 Walter L. Newton
I couldn't work in retail for very long, honestly. I tend toward mild OCD, and I would just be berserk with cleaning up after - and ranting about - annoying customers who never put anything back where they got it.
688 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:22:42am |
re: #685 iceweasel
Yes, Brew some halfway decent potcheen and you'll be miles away...not to mention those who drink it.
Key thing on any still - and don't nobody build a cleaner still than the Irish - is the slobber box. Ya don't got that, ya end up with a bunch o' mother of vinegar messing up the whole run.
689 | Racer X Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:22:43am |
re: #683 Walter L. Newton
I worked retail for years. People are pigs.
690 | BruceKelly Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:23:37am |
re: #35 Silvergirl
Reading up on Alice in Wonderland. It opens in March. The Cheshire Cat is voiced by Stephen Fry. SlashFilm Blogging the Reel World is where I get my movie news.
Good link, thanks.
691 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:25:03am |
re: #689 Racer X
I worked retail for years. People are pigs.
I still work retail and I agree entirely.
692 | brookly red Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:25:21am |
re: #683 Walter L. Newton
/excuse me... does this chair work?
693 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:25:40am |
694 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:13am |
re: #689 Racer X
I worked retail for years. People are pigs.
I used to work at a produce department in a grocery story. Whenever we sold cherries by the pound, pits would begin collecting at the bottom of the barrel. During the summer, peach and nectarine pits would be all over the department. In fact, one guy in grocery found an apple core hidden behind canned spaghetti sauce. I would often see customers give the fruit to their kids, who would eat them in the shopping cart.
Yes, people are pigs.
695 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:45am |
re: #681 Guanxi88
So, Irish bootleg whiskey is miles ahead of the hillbilly version, even as hillbilly fiddlin' is years ahead of the Irish.
Can Geico really save you money on car insurance?... Can Charlie Daniels play the fiddle?
"That's the way you do it, son."
696 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:27:16am |
re: #689 Racer X
I worked retail for years. People are pigs.
I cringe sometimes going shopping with the Mrs. Fish and/or her family. They're the, uhh, "thrifty" sort. What I mean by that is, they aggressively negotiate and aren't afraid to escalate things to the next level if they think it'll get them their way. Me, I've always tried to be nice to the retail servicepeople, especially after working a summer in a small-town hardware store and having to BE the serviceperson.
698 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:29:00am |
699 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:29:26am |
re: #686 thedopefishlives
I couldn't work in retail for very long, honestly. I tend toward mild OCD, and I would just be berserk with cleaning up after - and ranting about - annoying customers who never put anything back where they got it.
I am moderate OCD, and can you imaging working with a used furniture department, where you basically have all manner of stuff coming in daily, and you have to find some rhyme and reason for where to put them, how to display them, how to make them accessible, I mean, we try to keep certain items in certain isles (I have seven), but single chairs, bicycles, golf bags, baby gates, swamp coolers, headboard, mirrors... these are all sorts of items that don't lend themselves to sitting out neatly.
My swing supervisor's wife said the department is as neat as she has ever seen it.
And I don't just get to spend all my time on the floor, very little actually, most of my time is in he warehouse, getting large furniture items sorted, wiped down, priced and dragged out to the sales floor.
Have you ever seen the back of a thrift store, it's organized chaos, stuff coming in hour after hour, special trucks coming in from pickups.
And we become the trash haulers for everyone. We have a policy to take everything, so we do get taken advantage of, people just wanting us to haul and dispose of stuff you couldn't sell ever.
700 | webevintage Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:30:05am |
re: #689 Racer X
I worked retail for years. People are pigs.
and idiots.
Which why I sell on-line only and deal with people via email...
701 | wrenchwench Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:31:48am |
I train my customers. Once in a while I have to fire one. If they are untrainable, they become customers of my competitor down the street.
702 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:31:51am |
re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Basic fail at the hard-wired hunter/gather instinct. No buffalo brought home today, no idea where the buffalo herd will be tomorrow, and hunting chipmunks to get by is demeaning.
703 | sattv4u2 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:33:17am |
re: #694 soap_man
I would often see customers give the fruit to their kids, who would eat them in the shopping cart.
Weigh the kids on the way in to the store, then on the way out
Charge the parent for the difference per pound!
704 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:33:32am |
And speaking of hauling, I have to haul my ass out of here and get to work... buy thrift, save the world.
705 | abbyadams Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:33:43am |
re: #696 thedopefishlives
Upding in sympathy. I have in-laws that are very unkind to those in retail.
(No, they never worked retail.) I think that it should be federally mandated that everyone work retail as part of their education.
/kidding, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place...
706 | Jeff In Ohio Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:34:22am |
re: #681 Guanxi88
Bootleggers burned down my granddaddy's house in the 20's. He didn't like them running stills on his land. The story gets more interesting as the white bootleggers tried to blame the black bootleggers at the end of the valley, not knowing that the black bootleggers were 2nd cousins and "wouldn't do that to family".
And Jeff looks up at his dad: black cousins? My old man has some great stories.
707 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:34:58am |
re: #705 abbyadams
Upding in sympathy. I have in-laws that are very unkind to those in retail.
(No, they never worked retail.) I think that it should be federally mandated that everyone work retail as part of their education.
/kidding, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place...
I've had similar thoughts. Working in retail or some form of customer service really gives a person some perspective.
708 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:35:08am |
re: #704 Walter L. Newton
I bought a really nice vintage suit at a thrift shop for around $15 a few years ago. I only bought it for the jacket, but the pants fit me fine.
709 | wee fury Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:35:54am |
re: #702 oaktree
Basic fail at the hard-wired hunter/gather instinct. No buffalo brought home today, no idea where the buffalo herd will be tomorrow, and hunting chipmunks to get by is demeaning.
Well, all is not lost. You can't roller skate in a Buffalo herd.
710 | soap_man Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:36:18am |
re: #708 Mad Al-Jaffee
I bought a really nice vintage suit at a thrift shop for around $15 a few years ago. I only bought it for the jacket, but the pants fit me fine.
I bought a jacket for $6 at the Salvation Army. The pocket had a hole, but that is still my favorite jacket. I would be wearing it today if the weather was a little nicer.
711 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:36:45am |
re: #705 abbyadams
Upding in sympathy. I have in-laws that are very unkind to those in retail.
(No, they never worked retail.) I think that it should be federally mandated that everyone work retail as part of their education.
/kidding, but wouldn't the world be a nicer place...
No, it wouldn't. You get a lot of retail positions staffed by people who were unsuited to them and weren't planning to keep them. I've had deal with people who fit that description and more than once I've had to walk out to keep from leveling the jerk.
712 | torrentprime Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:06am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
... these are all sorts of items that don't lend themselves to sitting out neatly.
My swing supervisor's wife said the department is as neat as she has ever seen it.
My dad was a stock clerk at a grocery store for most of his life, and due to this I'm incredibly sensitive to people who decide they don't want an item they've already picked and dropping it anywhere in the store. Don't want that frozen steak? Throw it on the canned foods shelf! And so on. I actually berated some friends once for tossing an entire basket of perishables onto a shelf and heading for the door. You spend a few nights watching your pop clean up after other people, you end up with a better appreciation for where stuff goes.
713 | Slap Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:17am |
re: #641 tradewind
Good points, to be sure. A good friend of mine, in his late 50s, recently observed (after a rather prolonged and nasty termination of a real pain-in-the-ass individual) that after 30 years of managing and hiring people, he's become convinced of only one truism in hiring:
Hire happy people.
Seems simplistic on its face, but can anybody give me an example from your experience of an unhappy person being productive and non-problematic? Not that this is easy to determine, but it made an impression on me.
714 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:25am |
re: #696 thedopefishlives
Me, I've always tried to be nice to the retail servicepeople, especially after working a summer in a small-town hardware store and having to BE the serviceperson.
I'm working in the Museum one day when there is this gawd-awful SCREAM and the sounds of a fight. Two or three of us haul buggy to try to find out what is going on and this 30 year old woman is hammering our 16 year old volunteer's head. Took two of us to pull her off.
Turns out Volunteer's older brother - who is a real man about town - got this woman in the family way years ago and then split. The 16 year old didn't even know her. He's changing a light bulb and suddenly this strange woman goes apeshit and knocks him off the ladder.
Lawyers got involved and it got to the point that the boss and I both had to give depositions, but it never went to trial. I assume someone settled.
And the 16 year old never worked there again. Can't say I blame him.
715 | webevintage Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:38:41am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
Walter does your place only do hardlines or is it also clothing?
Just wait, if you are in a larger city it is almost time for the Japanese pickers to show up looking for vintage.
716 | Jeff In Ohio Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:38:56am |
717 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:39:12am |
718 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:12am |
You know what they say... hell hath no fury as a woman scorned? Well, this is a whole different level of fury.
719 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:25am |
re: #712 torrentprime
I think it's called "empathy" and it appears to be in fairly short supply in a lot of areas; mainly retail and restaurants. By the customers that is, not the employees.
720 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:46am |
Mitchell fails to convince Abbas to enter talks with Israel
The US envoy to the Middle East was holding talks with the Palestinian leader on Friday afternoon, even as hopes that Washington could restart Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations anytime soon continued to fade.
...
The three-hour meeting between Abbas and Washington's envoy, George Mitchell, came a day after Time magazine published an interview with Obama in which the US president acknowledged he may have overestimated his ability to revive negotiations.
...
Mitchell arrived in Israel Wednesday night from Lebanon and Syria. He met Abbas on Friday after holding talks with Netanyahu on Thursday, and is to leave the region over the weekend.
The envoy has said Obama remains committed to trying to broker a Mideast deal, but it's unclear what he could try next.
...
Meanwhile, during a press conference in Washington with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband on Thursday night, US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that while the US would continue to work for Middle East peace, it was ultimately up to Israel and the Palestinians.[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Another unfulfilled promise heads under the bus.
Worse than useless.
721 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:42:18am |
re: #718 lawhawk
You know what they say... hell hath no fury as a woman scorned? Well, this is a whole different level of fury.
We in the tech trade would call that "owned".
722 | SteveC Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:43:52am |
re: #717 thedopefishlives
Holy moly, that's the mother of all customer service stories. I've heard just about everything now.
The boss dropped the hammer right then, and came down on the side of our guy. Woman got tossed, and the boss tells the kid Go in my office and call the lawyer in town RIGHT NOW.
Ain't nobody manhandling his people, no matter what!
723 | Slap Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:44:08am |
re: #717 thedopefishlives
I'll have to dig thru my memory trove....having worked in restaurants, food retail, banking and the gaming industry, I can safely say that the two worst things to have to deal with are people's food and people's money.
[Keeping fingers crossed that I never have to consider employment in portapotty maintenance as an option to homelessness.....]
724 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:45:05am |
re: #720 Spare O'Lake
Another unfulfilled promise heads under the bus.
Worse than useless.
Quite Concur. And I'm off to work, BBT.
725 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:45:51am |
re: #720 Spare O'Lake
Has any POTUS in the last 40 years not promised to work on peace in the Middle East and then essentially failed to deliver?
But we're talking politicians again. It makes a great talking point to attempt to garner votes, but let's be realistic, the United States (or any other country outside of the region) is not capable of, or willing to, make the necessary steps that could generate a lasting peace there that will have all sides placated.
726 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:23am |
re: #723 Slap
I'll have to dig thru my memory trove...having worked in restaurants, food retail, banking and the gaming industry, I can safely say that the two worst things to have to deal with are people's food and people's money.
[Keeping fingers crossed that I never have to consider employment in portapotty maintenance as an option to homelessness...]
See, working in the hardware business, the worst you really have to deal with are the know-it-all gits who think they've got a clue how to do their project but are going about it all the wrong way. Those were the cases where the store manager would take me aside and say, "Let me handle this one, you go deal with XYZ over there." Other than that, most people are reasonably friendly, and one of two types: 1) Know bugger-all and looking for advice, or 2) Know enough to be dangerous and looking for more advanced help or confirmation.
727 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:35am |
re: #722 SteveC
The boss dropped the hammer right then, and came down on the side of our guy. Woman got tossed, and the boss tells the kid Go in my office and call the lawyer in town RIGHT NOW.
Ain't nobody manhandling his people, no matter what!
That's a good boss.
728 | brookly red Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:42am |
re: #725 oaktree
Has any POTUS in the last 40 years not promised to work on peace in the Middle East and then essentially failed to deliver?
But we're talking politicians again. It makes a great talking point to attempt to garner votes, but let's be realistic, the United States (or any other country outside of the region) is not capable of, or willing to, make the necessary steps that could generate a lasting peace there that will have all sides placated.
... the light bulb has to want to change.
729 | Donna Ballard Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:58am |
re: #33 Cato the Elder
Where the hell is everyone?
I'm here, but typing hurts so I'm just watching. Have a good day! Oh and HAPPY FRIDAY everyone! :-)
730 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:47:37am |
re: #728 brookly red
... the light bulb has to want to change.
...and the scorpion says to the frog "Whaddaya want? It's the Mideast!"
731 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:47:47am |
re: #714 SteveC
I'm working in the Museum one day when there is this gawd-awful SCREAM and the sounds of a fight. Two or three of us haul buggy to try to find out what is going on and this 30 year old woman is hammering our 16 year old volunteer's head. Took two of us to pull her off.
Turns out Volunteer's older brother - who is a real man about town - got this woman in the family way years ago and then split. The 16 year old didn't even know her. He's changing a light bulb and suddenly this strange woman goes apeshit and knocks him off the ladder.
Lawyers got involved and it got to the point that the boss and I both had to give depositions, but it never went to trial. I assume someone settled.
And the 16 year old never worked there again. Can't say I blame him.
Poor kid.
732 | RogueOne Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:48:13am |
re: #701 wrenchwench
I train my customers. Once in a while I have to fire one. If they are untrainable, they become customers of my competitor down the street.
Didn't take me long to realize some customers aren't worth having no matter how much business they give you. I was building a large McD's last year and threatened to throw the GC off the roof. Last building I did for him but it was worth it to see how fast he could get his ass down that ladder.
733 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:48:45am |
Hmm, given Walter's description of customers trying out equipment to make sure it works I hope the place doesn't sell portable toilets... O_o
734 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:49:33am |
re: #662 iceweasel
That's definitely true, and transcends genders.
It used to be that only men were judged by this standard, but women were included around the 1970's, when some of the feminists of that time started squawking that stay-at-home moms were worthless.
735 | darthstar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:49:38am |
re: #733 oaktree
Hmm, given Walter's description of customers trying out equipment to make sure it works I hope the place doesn't sell portable toilets... O_o
or sex toys... /
736 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:51:07am |
SO, just finished a phone chat with the wife.
Outta nowhere, I'm treated to Sigmund Freud's bastard great-great grandaughter's diagnosis:
"I figured it out! You're bi-polar, only, with you, its not "manic" then "depressive." With you, it's "despairing" or "Pissed off."
(All this because I asked her to check the mail more than twice a month.)
738 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:52:03am |
739 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:52:49am |
re: #738 thedopefishlives
At least she didn't accuse you of making HER bi-polar.
/Yeah, I had it happen
According to mine, I've made her fat. I pointed out that I'm not the one who does the grocery shopping.....
740 | lawhawk Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:07am |
This is amazing; a 69-year old woman was rescued from the rubble of a collapsed building in Port au Prince alive - after being trapped for 10 days. That said, don't expect to hear too many more of those stories since the odds grow longer against finding more people alive among the wreckage.
741 | Kragar Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:28am |
re: #736 Guanxi88
(All this because I asked her to check the mail more than twice a month.)
You son of a bitch.
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742 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:42am |
re: #734 Alouette
It used to be that only men were judged by this standard, but women were included around the 1970's, when some of the feminists of that time started squawking that stay-at-home moms were worthless.
Obviously said by someone who didn't do their own laundry, clean their own home, cook their own meals, or pay to have all that done on a regular basis.
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743 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:45am |
re: #737 RogueOne
Sarcasm, I like your wife.
Yeah, she's a keeper. I think of her sorta like a feral cat; love them though you may, you can never be sure when the claws'll come out.
744 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:46am |
re: #739 Guanxi88
According to mine, I've made her fat. I pointed out that I'm not the one who does the grocery shopping...
This one wasn't the wife, it was an ex-ladyfriend. You can see now why she's an ex.
745 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:57am |
746 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:54:16am |
re: #739 Guanxi88
What was the next meal served to you after you said that?
747 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:54:40am |
re: #746 oaktree
What was the next meal served to you after you said that?
Cold shoulder and hot tongue.
748 | wrenchwench Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:55:23am |
re: #732 RogueOne
Didn't take me long to realize some customers aren't worth having no matter how much business they give you. I was building a large McD's last year and threatened to throw the GC off the roof. Last building I did for him but it was worth it to see how fast he could get his ass down that ladder.
Well, I've never threatened violence. I did chase a shoplifter down the street and recover the goods.
749 | Slap Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:55:50am |
re: #727 thedopefishlives
AGREED! One of the best bosses I ever had was tough as hell, demanding all of us be aware, on our toes, attentive to detail and professional -- in what many often took as a "harsh" style. But he was an excellent teacher and mentor as well as being an unflinching critic when required. His best feature was his resolute protection of his crew: anyone from any other department who attempted to directly take any of us to task for an error learned very quickly that it was the only time they wanted to try that. He would listen to concerns/criticisms when they were brought to him, but defended us publicly and (verbally) thumped us privately when needed. Never failed to act, but never failed to make it clear it was HIS action to take, not someone else's.
Made an eternal impression on me.
750 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:56:45am |
re: #743 Guanxi88
Yeah, she's a keeper. I think of her sorta like a feral cat; love them though you may, you can never be sure when the claws'll come out.
Does your wife have a sister? Are you my brother-in-law and we just didn't realize it?
751 | Guanxi88 Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:57:53am |
re: #750 cliffster
Does your wife have a sister? Are you my brother-in-law and we just didn't realize it?
Hate to tell you, but she has a brother. Better you should hear it from me....
752 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:59:10am |
re: #732 RogueOne
Didn't take me long to realize some customers aren't worth having no matter how much business they give you. I was building a large McD's last year and threatened to throw the GC off the roof. Last building I did for him but it was worth it to see how fast he could get his ass down that ladder.
Now I'm picturing you as Lawrence from Office Space (since in one scene he said he was doing drywall for the new McDonald's.)
753 | cliffster Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:59:39am |
re: #751 Guanxi88
Hate to tell you, but she has a brother. Better you should hear it from me...
Hahahahahaha!!!
Hahaha!
ha
Uuhhhh....
754 | Donna Ballard Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:02:14am |
re: #696 thedopefishlives
I cringe sometimes going shopping with the Mrs. Fish and/or her family. They're the, uhh, "thrifty" sort. What I mean by that is, they aggressively negotiate and aren't afraid to escalate things to the next level if they think it'll get them their way. Me, I've always tried to be nice to the retail servicepeople, especially after working a summer in a small-town hardware store and having to BE the serviceperson.
I gotta tell ya I have worked both retail and wholesale in the jewelry business for over twenty years and it's gotta be one of the hardest jobs anyone could have. No one wants to pay the price marked, they all think that jewelers are making money hand over fist and everyone wants a discount. I got verbal scoldings and beaten up on a daily basis. I have even been called racist because I refused to give a discount to one customer whom thought that because she was a minority she was entitled to a lower price than everyone else. I can still hear her screaming at me in my sleep, the nightmares these people cause can be disconcerting for years. Then I worked on the phones and that's even tougher! People feel that they can verbally abuse you just because you are on the other end of a telephone. I put one of these wonderful // customers on speaker so my boss could hear the abuse she was dishing out, and let me tell you he went ballistic! After that I just passed those types off onto the boss. The stress they cause is just not worth it. You have to have the patience of a saint to work in that industry, or you'll go insane. I almost did.
755 | Donna Ballard Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:03:21am |
re: #743 Guanxi88
Yeah, she's a keeper. I think of her sorta like a feral cat; love them though you may, you can never be sure when the claws'll come out.
Meoooow! Phssst, phssst! I resemble that remark!
756 | reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:12:23am |
re: #658 Alouette
The problem is that people are judged according to how much money they have, with those making the most money having more value as human beings, while those who make less money or are unemployed, are "untermenschen"
My husband's brother is much more financially successful than my husband or his sister.
My mother-in-law observed once that she was so proud of all her kids, and so happy that they had each found work that suited them.
She had an excellent perspective, IMO.
758 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:25:42am |
re: #757 Dragon_Lady
Did ever one jump thread?
No. I'm trying to follow two at once and work at the same time...
759 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:31:12am |
re: #754 Dragon_Lady
I once told someone that I went into computers so that I wouldn't have to deal with people. So I guess I prefer simplistic very fast adding machines to dealing with flesh and bone folk.
I don't respect the computers themselves at all. I respect the programmers for making them do things, and the scientists/engineers that make such wonderfully complex machines out of silicon, plastic, and metal.
"We have tamed lightning, and now use it to make sand think."
760 | Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 22, 2010 1:14:33pm |
re: #439 cliffster
Naso I think it boils down to the idea that the government should not be in the business of who can say what, ever. Throw in the fact that it is a pretty disturbing conflict of interest to have elected officials getting to decide who gets to influence future elections. Then it's pretty easy to see why what seemed like a good idea (campaign finance laws) is actually a bad deal.
What I am saying is that there is a difference between speech and financing campaigns.
Corporate management can make all the speeches they want, when they are not working for shareholders, and to the extent that legislation may harm, or benefit, their business they can speak out at work too; but when it comes to spending MY money as a shareholder to support a political party or candidate then we are into territory that does not come under the umbrella of "free speech", the business becomes a political organization with no accountability to shareholders beyond "sell out".
I hear a noise in the background..I think it may be legislators and lawyers working on arguments that there is no reason to leave religious and non profits out of this political free for all either./