Mitt Romney’s Dad in 1967: ‘The GOP’s Future Depends on Repudiating the John Birch Society’

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Mitt Romney gave one of the first major speeches at CPAC 2010 (the event co-sponsored by the John Birch Society and the Oath Keepers militia group), on Thursday afternoon, opening day.

A commenter at The Lizard Annex points out that George W. Romney was unequivocal and very direct in his denunciation of the Birchers — he predicted disaster if the GOP did not avoid “any possibility of the Society developing influence within the party.”

I wonder how he would have felt about his son lending the Romney name to an event the Birchers co-sponsored?

Ironically, Mitt Romney’s dad had this to say about the Birch Society when he was Governor of Michigan:

“I think the party’s future depends upon repudiating the John Birch Society as an organization and avoiding any possibility of the society developing influence within the Party. I think this is because from experience, I have found that the John Birch Society as an organization uses methods of infiltration and subversion and tactics that we associate with other secret organizations like the Communists. And while there are members of the society that I am sure are not themselves responsible for such conduct, this conduct on the part of the organization makes it essential, as far as I’m concerned, that the Republican Party repudiate the John Birch Society as an organization.”

Cited in Chapman v. Romney, Docket #1810, Michigan Court of Appeals, 2/14/67 [6 Mich App 36 (1967); 148N.W. 2d 230]. Chapman, a member of the JBS, sued Gov. Romney for slander. The Court found in favor of Governor Romney.

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129 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:21:50pm

Yunno, they threw a fit about Obama associating with left-wing 60's radicals and extremists...

2 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:23:16pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

Yunno, they threw a fit about Obama associating with left-wing 60's radicals and extremists...

Ding!

3 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:24:04pm

I would have hoped that the reason for keeping out the Birchers is their bigoted views, not their sneaky Commie tactics. What a load of bullcrap.

4 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:24:31pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

Yunno, they threw a fit about Obama associating with left-wing 60's radicals and extremists...

Precedent.

5 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:25:07pm

re: #3 Spare O'Lake

I would have hoped that the reason for keeping out the Birchers is their bigoted views, not their sneaky Commie tactics. What a load of bullcrap.

It's when they stop sneaking, that it's time to worry.

6 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:25:23pm

So Mitt is willing to sell is soul and compromise ever ideal his father held dear in the name political expediency? Color me surprised.

7 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:26:08pm

re: #6 Conservative Moonbat

And the irony is... they still don't really like him.

8 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:27:03pm

re: #3 Spare O'Lake

I would have hoped that the reason for keeping out the Birchers is their bigoted views, not their sneaky Commie tactics. What a load of bullcrap.

I don't know exactly what he's referring to there if it's a roundabout way of saying they aren't fair dealers it could have some merit.

9 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:27:13pm

curiouser and curiouser....I would LOVE to hear Mitt reconcile such a fundamental difference from his dad...I'd guess he would have to start my minimizing the role of the JBS in the new GOP....which would only lead to more questions

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:27:28pm

re: #7 freetoken

And the irony is... they still don't really like him.


No, because of his religion, a tainted version of Christianity in their view. Otherwise he would be just fine. Same problem Joe Lieberman has, he is not just tainted, he is beyond the pale, so to speak.

11 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:28:27pm

Throw the Bircher's out?? And lose a sponsor??

(I don't know if I should be putting a sarc tag here or not. Hmmm...)

12 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:29:48pm

re: #10 ralphieboy

No, because of his religion, a tainted version of Christianity in their view. Otherwise he would be just fine. Same problem Joe Lieberman has, he is not just tainted, he is beyond the pale, so to speak.

You're sure it has nothing to do with the fact he has all the charisma of a used car dealer?

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:30:49pm

re: #3 Spare O'Lake

I would have hoped that the reason for keeping out the Birchers is their bigoted views, not their sneaky Commie tactics. What a load of bullcrap.

George Romney was talking about Entryism, and you're seeing the results of it right here.

14 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:31:39pm

Given the crowd's reaction to Allen West (live now), and given West's rather theocratic tendencies, one can conclude that the there really is a need to have a religious symbol as a rallying point for their politics.

Noticed that West briefly touched on his military background. Noticed too he skipped the point where he was forced to leave under very dishonorable issues...

15 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:31:40pm

The GOP is a cat ass trophy,

and so is the Democratic party.

IMHO

16 boyo  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:33:15pm

so is the gop doing a willful self destruct act or is this some great mastermind thought out plan that I cant figure out yet?

17 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:34:53pm

re: #13 Charles

George Romney was talking about Entryism, and you're seeing the results of it right here.

Interesting! They certainly have used that tactic with the Texas Board of Education, eh?

18 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:35:59pm

re: #16 boyo

so is the gop doing a willful self destruct act or is this some great mastermind thought out plan that I cant figure out yet?

what makes you think they will self destruct?....exactly the opposite is happening

19 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:36:27pm

Andrew Breitbart faces off with the One People's Project writer Daryle Jenkins, who exposed James O'Keefe's attendance at an event with white nationalist Jared Taylor:

20 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:37:31pm

re: #13 Charles

George Romney was talking about Entryism, and you're seeing the results of it right here.

Thanks for that.
But tell me, did George Romney condemn their bigoted views or not? If he did not, then why hold him up as a positive foil to his son?

21 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:37:39pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Interesting! They certainly have used that tactic with the Texas Board of Education, eh?


I'm impressed there is a word for it....makes it somewhat easier to talk about...
ENTRYIST!

22 Boyo  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:38:04pm

re: #18 albusteve

what makes you think they will self destruct?...exactly the opposite is happening

...all fail every where I look in the gop. you see the opposite of self destruction...hmm...

23 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:39:36pm

Leftover from last thread: think the Birchers are bad? Check this out, and please note this is just one website and is at this point unconfirmed

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

The newly-formed registered student organization at Michigan State University, the Sons of Liberty, cancelled [sic] its first public event. Nick Griffin, a democratically-elected member of the European Parliament and chairman of the British National Party, was scheduled to speak at MSU on February 18 regarding the fraud of man-made global warming. The event was cancelled because left-wing agitators caused other organizations to cancel their own events that featured Griffin, and it could not be justified for Griffin to fly to the U.S. to only speak at MSU and at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

After a synopsis of Griffin’s schedule was released to the media, left-wing agitators relentlessly threatened with violence and death the organizers of the events. This caused Taylor Somers, the leader of Kenyon College’s conservative Robert A. Taft Society, to cancel his club’s event out of concern for safety of his fellow students. It was confirmed that Griffin would not come to the U.S. after leftists successfully caused three hotels to rescind their offers to allow the biyearly American Renaissance conference from being hosted at their properties.

24 Bagua  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:39:37pm

JBS is a sponsor of this conference?

25 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:39:58pm

re: #21 albusteve

I'm impressed there is a word for it...makes it somewhat easier to talk about...
ENTRYIST!

Heh. Never been secretive about my views, though.

26 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:39:58pm

re: #20 Spare O'Lake

Thanks for that.
But tell me, did George Romney condemn their bigoted views or not? If he did not, then why hold him up as a positive foil to his son?

denunciate, condemn...whatever

27 Bob Dillon  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:40:50pm

When we hit our teens most of us think our parents are pretty dumb. Some of us never grow out of that mode.

28 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:41:35pm

re: #24 Bagua

JBS is a sponsor of this conference?

Yup.

29 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:42:03pm

re: #19 Charles

Andrew Breitbart faces off with the One People's Project writer Daryle Jenkins, who exposed James O'Keefe's attendance at an event with white nationalist Jared Taylor:


[Video]

Andrew Breitbart pawned by Daryle Jenkins. As usual, Breitbart loses control and resorts to his typical incoherent speech patterns. Not so odd that these ideologues at CPAC are living in a bubble which is evident here and in the previous question from the floor regarding science to the industry lobbyists masquerading as AGW experts.

30 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:43:14pm

re: #27 Bobibutu

When we hit our teens most of us think our parents are pretty dumb. Some of us never grow out of that mode.

Mark Twain said that he was so embarrassed by his father at age 15 he could barely stand to have him around. It was amazing how much his father smartened up after ten years went by.

31 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:44:38pm

re: #23 Thanos

Leftover from last thread: think the Birchers are bad? Check this out, and please note this is just one website and is at this point unconfirmed

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

I've heard about that too. Resorting to death threats and the like against event organizers is taking things too far, even if the net result is keep that scum on the other side of the ocean.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:47:02pm

re: #30 The Sanity Inspector

Mark Twain said that he was so embarrassed by his father at age 15 he could barely stand to have him around. It was amazing how much his father smartened up after ten years went by.

This has little to do with intelligence, it is expediency.

33 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:47:14pm

re: #31 Conservative Moonbat

I would like to know if he was actually going to speak at CPAC however.

34 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:47:29pm

re: #31 Conservative Moonbat

I've heard about that too. Resorting to death threats and the like against event organizers is taking things too far, even if the net result is keep that scum on the other side of the ocean.

bah, nothing is too far anymore....buckle up, because the best is yet to come imo...imagine if the GOP wins back the House...this sort of rhetoric is gonna hit the fan

35 Bagua  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:48:16pm

re: #28 austin_blue

Yup.

Actualy I just looked at their website and they list JBS as a 'Co-sponsor' not a sponsor, along with about 80 other groups with the note "The CPAC 2010 Exibit Hall is currently sold out."

What do they have booths set up and hand out Nerf balls and pens?

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:49:37pm

re: #23 Thanos

Leftover from last thread: think the Birchers are bad? Check this out, and please note this is just one website and is at this point unconfirmed

[Link: yafwatch.blogspot.com...]

The claim that Griffin was going to speak at CPAC seems to originate at American Renaissance: [Link: www.amren.com...]

I doubt he would be offered a speaker's slot in the actual event, but he might have been hosted at one of the numerous sideshows, like the Geller and Spencer hate parade is.

37 Bagua  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:49:43pm

pimf: actually

That John Birch Stuff has left me frazzled.

38 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:50:10pm

re: #35 Bagua

Actualy I just looked at their website and they list JBS as a 'Co-sponsor' not a sponsor, along with about 80 other groups with the note "The CPAC 2010 Exibit Hall is currently sold out."

What do they have booths set up and hand out Nerf balls and pens?

I wonder what's behind that curtain?

39 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:51:05pm

Well, CPAC is a bit over an hour away from the big capstone presentation by Glenn Beck. I'll probably be at the gym. Better for my mental health.

I'm finding it difficult to gauge what real effect in the future these CPACers will have. They are throwbacks, yet with our political system of carefully groomed Congressional districts and a wanna-be-autocratic Senate it's possible for small groups to amplify their influence.

40 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:51:22pm

re: #36 Charles

Well it could be chumming the waters, a false claim to make JBS seem sane...

41 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:52:51pm

Dammit ,,,,, was busy at work. Anyone hear Allen Wests' speech? (he was scheduled about 45 minutes ago)

42 Bob Dillon  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:53:42pm

re: #30 The Sanity Inspector

Mark Twain said that he was so embarrassed by his father at age 15 he could barely stand to have him around. It was amazing how much his father smartened up after ten years went by.

Shame Mitt missed the boat on that one.

43 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:54:30pm

re: #39 freetoken

re: #39 freetoken

the big capstone presentation by Glenn Beck

Can't watch ,,, i'm scheduled to rearrange my underwear drawer at that time ,, (whatever "that time" is)

44 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:54:47pm

re: #41 sattv4u2

Wrote about it upstream.

45 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:55:12pm

re: #42 Bobibutu

Shame Mitt missed the boat on that one.

huh !?!?! Mitt was always very proud/ fond of his father, from what i can tell

46 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:55:17pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

re: #39 freetoken

the big capstone presentation by Glenn Beck

Can't watch ,,, i'm scheduled to rearrange my underwear drawer at that time ,, (whatever "that time" is)

you're not in the Tear Shedding Pool?

47 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:55:21pm

re: #44 freetoken

Wrote about it upstream.

Tanks

48 Bagua  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:55:58pm

I've always refused to set my booth up next to people I don't like.

It says in the wiki that the JBS wants to dismantle the FED and go back to metal based money. They support Ron Paul's legislation. Those are not sensible positions.

49 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:56:38pm

re: #19 Charles

Andrew Breitbart faces off with the One People's Project writer Daryle Jenkins, who exposed James O'Keefe's attendance at an event with white nationalist Jared Taylor:


[Video]

He has some anger issues.

50 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:58:01pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

He has some anger issues.

his attitude and demeanor are most abrasive imo, worse than his politics

51 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 1:59:45pm

re: #36 Charles

The claim that Griffin was going to speak at CPAC seems to originate at American Renaissance: [Link: www.amren.com...]

I doubt he would be offered a speaker's slot in the actual event, but he might have been hosted at one of the numerous sideshows, like the Geller and Spencer hate parade is.

That's why the disclaimer, I can't find a site yet that doesn't reference the AMREN or SOL links. If he did appear he probably would have been in the last panel since he was going to talk on global warming.

52 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:00:22pm

happy hour in the Mountain time zone!

53 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:00:38pm

re: #35 Bagua

Actualy I just looked at their website and they list JBS as a 'Co-sponsor' not a sponsor, along with about 80 other groups with the note "The CPAC 2010 Exibit Hall is currently sold out."

What do they have booths set up and hand out Nerf balls and pens?

Gimme caps with "Join the JBS" on 'em. How could you resist? Get on for the little lady, too!

///

54 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:01:50pm

re: #52 albusteve

happy hour in the Mountain time zone!

Hey, remember when I asked you a few months ago if I could ask a quick question about medical training stuff?

55 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:01:53pm

re: #52 albusteve

happy hour in the Mountain time zone!

You wait till 7 p.m. ????

it's 5 here in the east and if I wasn't at work i would have started about ,, well ,,, 5 HOURs ago!!

56 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:02:53pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

You wait till 7 p.m. ???

it's 5 here in the east and if I wasn't at work i would have started about ,, well ,,, 5 HOURs ago!!

I'm not as strict as Killgore

57 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:03:08pm

re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey, remember when I asked you a few months ago if I could ask a quick question about medical training stuff?

yes, I do

58 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:03:28pm

re: #39 freetoken

Well, CPAC is a bit over an hour away from the big capstone presentation by Glenn Beck. I'll probably be at the gym. Better for my mental health.

I'm finding it difficult to gauge what real effect in the future these CPACers will have. They are throwbacks, yet with our political system of carefully groomed Congressional districts and a wanna-be-autocratic Senate it's possible for small groups to amplify their influence.

Think he brought his blackboard? I'm sure it'll be a compendium of his usual paranoia with emphasis on the 5000 Year Leap. Or something.

59 Bagua  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:03:56pm

The Poker Players Alliance is also listed as a Co-sponsor. I wonder if there's a decent game being spread in the back room?

Poker I support.

60 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:04:08pm

re: #50 albusteve

The crowd seems to egg on his hot headed gimmick. It's the kind of thing that can get out of control pretty quick. I suspect Breitbart's career is probably going to be pretty short. It only takes a second of anger to do or say something over the line. Even on twitter he just doesn't seem in control of himself.

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:04:19pm

re: #57 albusteve

yes, I do

I read some bad things about ultrasound tech schooling. But I found and accredited school. Any advice?

62 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:04:55pm

It should be pointed out time and time again that the Birchers called Eisenhower a Communist and if not a Communist a Communist sympathizer. It's too bad that Romney can't follow his father's lead. His father was absolutely right about the Birchers. They were as nuts 45 years ago as they are today.

63 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:05:11pm

re: #58 Gus 802

I expect Beck to do a "we're all one big happy family if only we will work together" type of approach, where he will do his best to emphasize the commonality between the "conservative" splinter groups.

64 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:05:27pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Think he brought his blackboard? I'm sure it'll be a compendium of his usual paranoia with emphasis on the 5000 Year Leap. Or something.

Upding for the blackboard.

65 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:06:21pm

re: #63 freetoken

I expect Beck to do a "we're all one big happy family if only we will work together" type of approach, where he will do his best to emphasize the commonality between the "conservative" splinter groups.

What happened to his 100-year plan? Remember that?

66 Randall Gross  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:07:20pm

This is building to the Beck finale, I wonder if he will be quoting from Cleon in it? Smart money says he will

67 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:09:23pm

re: #66 Thanos

This is building to the Beck finale, I wonder if he will be quoting from Cleon in it? Smart money says he will

I'm wondering if the Silver Haired Gopher will cry or do his Kermit the Frog voice. /

68 BlackFedora  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:10:27pm

This is incredibly frakking embarrassing.

69 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:10:41pm

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

I read some bad things about ultrasound tech schooling. But I found and accredited school. Any advice?

in MI, US was an extension of rad tech school, another, relatively short gig but so mant people want in it was hard to do....those folks have a quiet, boring career down the hall somewhere...as opposed to a dept tech...non of that stuff is very dramatic or as pressurized as nursing can be....alot of people want into the US and nuclear stuff for that reason and the higher pay....nothing like noodling around with an MRI machine all night for $40 an hour

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:15:12pm

re: #69 albusteve

Seems like a tough study. Do you think the field is being overwhelmed by people looking to get into the field?

71 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:16:27pm

re: #69 albusteve

ps...
the techs here in NM that did US on my leg to measure circulation were not Radiographers...no RT badge...just a short training program and presto! you're in....but an RT can go way further and have a lot more travel options etc

72 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:18:13pm

I didn't see Romney's speech. Thursday, was it? I looked around online and can't find it. Does anyone know when these will be available to hear?

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:19:22pm

re: #72 Silvergirl

I didn't see Romney's speech. Thursday, was it? I looked around online and can't find it. Does anyone know when these will be available to hear?

I'd try youtube or find the CPAC web site. One of those should have it.

74 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:19:49pm

re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar

Seems like a tough study. Do you think the field is being overwhelmed by people looking to get into the field?

waiting periods can be a year easily, time to do the pre reqs....but all those allied health programs are small and you have to wait to be funneled into them....one of the reasons there are chronic shortages of techs...a RT is a hell of a good job tho...you don't have the responsibility of direct patient care

75 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:21:12pm

Duh. Didn't even think of YouTube. Thanks!

76 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:21:39pm

re: #74 albusteve

So, maybe go for RT, then maybe move forward from there?

77 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:25:58pm

Coming up next... the CPAC straw poll results.

Something tells me that Mitt won't be at the top of the list, no matter how much he tries to kiss JBS hiney.

78 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:27:26pm

re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, maybe go for RT, then maybe move forward from there?

oh yeah...the nuclear stuff is way cool...but mind you an RN or RT are no small thing....these are very difficult, high pressure programs...both mine were 25mo after your pre reqs, with very little time off, almost none...and the work loads are extremely demanding...but once you have that license, all kinds of stuff can happen...allied health is not about getting rich, it's about caring for people and the freedom to come and go as you please, which had an enormous appeal to me...nobody cares where you last worked or for how long..you can move around until you find the best environment for yourself...everybody does it

79 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:29:39pm

re: #72 Silvergirl

I didn't see Romney's speech. Thursday, was it? I looked around online and can't find it. Does anyone know when these will be available to hear?

Mitt Romney At CPAC 2010 pt.1
Mitt Romney At CPAC 2010 pt.2
Mitt Romney At CPAC 2010 pt.3

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:32:10pm

re: #78 albusteve

Our local 2 year community college is now a 4 year school, but I'm sure they still offer RT schooling. I'll find their web site and see what it says. Thanks, man, I owe you beers. Or I do know how to make a pretty good mixed drink. Heh. Seriously, I appreciate it.

81 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:34:05pm

CPAC

Constipated Pussies are Clapping.

Sorry, just occurred to me when the started clapping.

82 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:35:18pm

Ron Paul won the straw poll?

83 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:35:32pm

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

Our local 2 year community college is now a 4 year school, but I'm sure they still offer RT schooling. I'll find their web site and see what it says. Thanks, man, I owe you beers. Or I do know how to make a pretty good mixed drink. Heh. Seriously, I appreciate it.

and one more thing...an RN or RT are almost bullet proof jobs...you just sail through these recessions...I would highly recommend either as a career, especially considering the demand for these jobs if HC is ever reformed

84 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:35:54pm

re: #82 MandyManners

Ron Paul won the straw poll?

Musta been the blimps they rented last year.

85 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:36:34pm

re: #82 MandyManners

The live stream is about to announce the results.

If Paul really did lead, I expect the crowd to roar with ecstasy.

86 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:37:00pm

Fox reports Ron Paul wins CPAC straw poll with 31%, Romney 2nd and Palin with only 7%.

87 KingKenrod  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:37:15pm

Romney's speech transcript (and video) are here:

[Link: mittromneycentral.com...]

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:37:31pm

re: #83 albusteve

and one more thing...an RN or RT are almost bullet proof jobs...you just sail through these recessions...I would highly recommend either as a career, especially considering the demand for these jobs if HC is ever reformed

That is kinda what I was thinking. But I am sure Xrays are cheaper than US. Therefore, keeping down cost for insurance companies.

89 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:37:50pm

Buncha' fucking morons.

90 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:38:07pm

Breaking News Ron Paul Wins CPAC 2012 Presidential Straw Poll - Fox News

91 KingKenrod  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:38:56pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Fox reports Ron Paul wins CPAC straw poll with 31%, Romney 2nd and Palin with only 7%.

Was it an internet poll? Un-friggin' believable.

92 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:39:01pm

they haven't announced the straw poll results yet. I'm just watching for the audience reaction when they are announced because I figure there's a good chance of hell breaking lose no matter who wins given how Balkinized the conservative movement is

93 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:39:24pm

BREAKING: ACORN steals 2010 CPAC straw poll for Ron Paul. DEVELOPING...

daveweigel

94 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:39:32pm

Apparently, the CPAC straw poll was won by ... Ron Paul!

Of course.

95 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:39:57pm

re: #91 KingKenrod

Was it an internet poll? Un-friggin' believable.

In house I guess. That is voted by the attendees?

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:40:04pm

re: #94 Charles

Apparently, the CPAC straw poll was won by ... Ron Paul!

Of course.

Can we have our own poll?

97 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:40:37pm

Oh, ok, they announced it to fox before the audience. This primary season is going to be great fun!

98 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:40:45pm

It's about to be announced on the livestream...

99 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:40:49pm

re: #94 Charles

Pretty much explains it all!

100 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:41:13pm
Paul creams Romney in poll, 31 percent to 22 percent. #cpac2010

--Weigel's twitter

101 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:41:36pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can we have our own poll?

Only if we can have our own stripper!!

(oh ,, wait ,, thats a different pole!!)

102 jaunte  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:42:14pm

Raun Poll.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:42:20pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can we have our own poll?

And if we can, can we have The Flying Tomato as a candidate?

104 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:42:44pm

2395 is the sample size.

105 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:44:35pm

Almost half of the vote casters are students...

Ergo, Ron Paul!

106 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:45:21pm

I predict either the lowest or the highest voter turnout in 2012, in the history of American politics

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:45:49pm

re: #105 freetoken

Almost half of the vote casters are students...

Ergo, Ron Paul!

Wonder if they will wear stupid orange knit caps like the Deaniacs.

108 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:46:21pm

If you're going to subject your viewing audience to a Power Point display, it should at least be readable.

109 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:46:25pm

re: #105 freetoken

Almost half of the vote casters are students...

Ergo, Ron Paul!

twitterheads just finding their first political identity

110 jaunte  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:46:30pm

re: #16 boyo

so is the gop doing a willful self destruct act or is this some great mastermind thought out plan that I cant figure out yet?

Here's an explanation from Mel Brooks:

111 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #105 freetoken

Almost half of the vote casters are students...

Ergo, Ron Paul!

Seems kind of slanted. 31% for Ron Paul and only 7% for Palin? I wouldn't have expected that.

112 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:47:30pm

re: #106 albusteve

I predict either the lowest or the highest voter turnout in 2012, in the history of American politics

Extremist!

113 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:47:52pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Seems kind of slanted. 31% for Ron Paul and only 7% for Palin? I wouldn't have expected that.

she's starting to tank from over exposure....her stupidity is showing

114 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:48:29pm

re: #112 Spare O'Lake

Extremist!

pretty bold eh?

115 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:49:26pm

re: #113 albusteve

she's starting to tank from over exposure...her stupidity is showing

For sure. She also boycotted CPAC because of the JBS.

116 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:49:35pm

rup CPAC's head like a budda and it will tell you the future

117 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:49:46pm

re: #105 freetoken

Almost half of the vote casters are students...

Ergo, Ron Paul!

Amazing. I witnessed the same thing here in Atlanta leading up to the 2008 elections. I work right near Emory University/ Hospital. To say the Druid Hills neighborhood (where the college is) in Atlanta leans liberal is an understatement, but there it was on many cars and lawns, Ron Paul signs right next to the democrat senatorial and congressional hopefuls

118 freetoken  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:50:25pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Using KT's terminology, it appears as if the libertarian fundamentalists have been successful in replacing the theocratic fundamentalists as the driving force behind CPAC.

I say that because the stopping abortion question only got 1% of the vote as the 1st or 2nd most important issue to them.

119 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:51:27pm

re: #115 Gus 802

For sure. She also boycotted CPAC because of the JBS.

tribal dude...infighting all summer long?

120 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:52:01pm

re: #118 freetoken

Using KT's terminology, it appears as if the libertarian fundamentalists have been successful in replacing the theocratic fundamentalists as the driving force behind CPAC.

I say that because the stopping abortion question only got 1% of the vote as the 1st or 2nd most important issue to them.

Odd because Ron Paul considers himself pro-life. His son, Rand is also running as a pro-life candidate.

121 Gus  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:53:02pm

re: #119 albusteve

tribal dude...infighting all summer long?

Maybe. The Ron Paul faction tends to be a bit militant about things.

122 albusteve  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 2:53:19pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Odd because Ron Paul considers himself pro-life. His son, Rand is also running as a pro-life candidate.

entryism

123 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 3:04:07pm
124 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 3:32:32pm

I finished watching Romney's speech and I'm glad he had the forum to make it and the exposure that comes from it. After all, I'm not a CPAC attending Ron Paulian and I was still able to hear his words.

So in answer to the question of what Mitt's dad might have felt to have his son lend the Romney name to that convention, I think he would have wanted it. He wasn't there praising the John Birch Society. It's a stinking shame that the JBS was there, but we do mix it up with people we don't agree with. Even here at LGF.

It was worth it to get the speech out.

125 suchislife  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 3:33:26pm

re: #124 Silvergirl

Could you tell me some of the things you liked about it?

126 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 20, 2010 4:20:30pm

re: #125 suchislife

Could you tell me some of the things you liked about it?


He's been "off the stage" really, since 2008 (at least I haven't been keeping close watch on him) and it was a reminder to me of why I supported him in 08 as long as it was possible. He's smart, he's a leader, he's someone I feel I can trust. He zeroed on in the importance of keeping our country safe and sound--physically and financially. He laid out his view without theatrics, but he held my interest with his straightforward manner and a bit of humor. I'll have to read his new book.

127 BunnyThief  Sun, Feb 21, 2010 2:45:12am

re: #1 ralphieboy

Yunno, they threw a fit about Obama associating with left-wing 60's radicals and extremists...

Oh, any fool can plainly see the difference.

Obama only started his political career in the home of two unrepentant domestic terrorists, who introduced him to the movers and shakers in Chicago's Democratic machine. Oh, and Obama only socialized with them on a regular basis. And he wrote a glowing review of Ayers' book. And all Ayers and Dohrn had ever really done was lead a group that set off a string of bombings across the nation, prematurely climaxing when a bunch of them blew themselves up before they could bomb an enlisted man's dance at a military base. That's all.

But Romney, on the other hand, dared to speak at an event where the John Birch Society -- which has all sorts of repugnant beliefs that they've never put into practice to the point of being charged with any crimes, but you just KNOW they will any day now -- was NOT turned away and blackballed.

To draw any kind of equivalence between Obama's associations and Romney's is absurd. Why, any fool can plainly see that Romney's the far, far, far worse character.

128 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 21, 2010 8:26:22am

re: #124 Silvergirl

I finished watching Romney's speech and I'm glad he had the forum to make it and the exposure that comes from it. After all, I'm not a CPAC attending Ron Paulian and I was still able to hear his words.

So in answer to the question of what Mitt's dad might have felt to have his son lend the Romney name to that convention, I think he would have wanted it. He wasn't there praising the John Birch Society. It's a stinking shame that the JBS was there, but we do mix it up with people we don't agree with. Even here at LGF.

It was worth it to get the speech out.

Oh really?

So even though Mitt Romney's father said:

I think the party’s future depends upon repudiating the John Birch Society as an organization and avoiding any possibility of the society developing influence within the Party. ... this conduct on the part of the organization makes it essential, as far as I’m concerned, that the Republican Party repudiate the John Birch Society as an organization.

... you still think he would have had no problem with his son lending the Romney name to an event that legitimizes them?

That's an impressive act of rationalization.

129 mich-again  Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:42:06am

re: #124 Silvergirl

He wasn't there praising the John Birch Society.

Did he repudiate them or was he silent on the issue of the Birchers sharing the stage.


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