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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:15:56pm

American History X is one of the best movies ever made.

2 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:19:14pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
YES!
(Sorry about the caps but I just jumped at your post)
Should be required at any level of diversity education.

3 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:23:05pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

American History X is one of the best movies ever made.

The curb-stomp scene still gives me the chills.

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:23:13pm

Thanks Charles... I just read the transcript and part of the excerpt.

Fascinating.

5 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:32:31pm

on Holocaust Remembrance Day, it's useful to take note of those who right now stand for the same antisemitic ideas as the nazis.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

6 albusteve  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:32:50pm

I've hung out in Philly on several occasions and it's like no other town I've known....it's old, all divided up into timeless neighborhoods...except for the cars you might think you were in the 30s or 40s....interesting, all the different people and dialects...but there is always a sense of danger lingering...stuff you don't do or places you are not welcome...vast areas that look like a Goodfellas set

7 Four More Tears  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:35:34pm

re: #6 albusteve

I've hung out in Philly on several occasions and it's like no other town I've known...it's old, all divided up into timeless neighborhoods...except for the cars you might think you were in the 30s or 40s...interesting, all the different people and dialects...but there is always a sense of danger lingering...stuff you don't do or places you are not welcome...vast areas that look like a Goodfellas set

Heh. I had an ex-girlfriend who lives in West Philly. I felt very white walking through that neighborhood, and sometimes I was given a reminder in case I had forgotten...

8 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:37:46pm

Nice job, Summer!

9 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:38:32pm

bad moon rising in hungary ...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

10 Tigger2005  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:39:50pm

I don't know how some people live with such an enormous amount of irrational (or even rational) hatred on a daily basis. It's soul-destroying.

I can at least understand it if the person or group you're hating actually DID something to you, or to your immediate ancestors. (But even then, you're playing with fire when you excessively dehumanize your enemy.)

But to hate someone because of skin color or "race"--it's pathetic. Some of these people claim they don't hate, they just believe God intended the races to be separate.

In another, more ignorant time, it may have been semi-excusable for people to hold this view...that people who look different shouldn't "mix."

Now, however, it's just stupid and evil.

11 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:43:21pm

Near topic - a slightly different category of hate - the Westboro Baptist church was kicked out of West Virginia by West Virginians who fought hate with nonviolence and lots of free speech.

Bonus - those of you who rip on the South for being backward rednecks, know this. We in the South rip on West Virginia for being backward rednecks compared to the rest of us and *they* defeated WBC when so many others couldn't. In 99 other cases, they got away with their crap or provoked some retaliation that allowed them to sue and get paid. Not this time(!)

Double Bonus - this thing is on a college campus. Some real miners came to the thing - proper working class big blue collar guys, dressing the part, the kind who still have their hard hats and cannot - or refuse on principle to spell "blog". One expects people who look like this to be the trouble makers. Not this time. The miners contributed to the rout by quoting Holy Scripture and beat the WBC on its own philosophical turf.

12 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:46:14pm

re: #11 keloyd

Near topic - a slightly different category of hate - the Westboro Baptist church was kicked out of West Virginia by West Virginians who fought hate with nonviolence and lots of free speech.

Bonus - those of you who rip on the South for being backward rednecks, know this. We in the South rip on West Virginia for being backward rednecks compared to the rest of us and *they* defeated WBC when so many others couldn't. In 99 other cases, they got away with their crap or provoked some retaliation that allowed them to sue and get paid. Not this time(!)

Double Bonus - this thing is on a college campus. Some real miners came to the thing - proper working class big blue collar guys, dressing the part, the kind who still have their hard hats and cannot - or refuse on principle to spell "blog". One expects people who look like this to be the trouble makers. Not this time. The miners contributed to the rout by quoting Holy Scripture and beat the WBC on its own philosophical turf.

I have had nothing but respect for the miners of West Virginia ever since I read 1632....

13 Summer Seale  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:49:20pm

Wow I got hat-tipped! =) o/

Thanks Charles!

Also, if you hunt down this guy's little-updated blog, he has a recent and short entry about how he feels the Tea Party resembles the Nazi Brownshirts, by the way. I think, again, Tea Parties should take note.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:51:00pm

re: #11 keloyd

Near topic - a slightly different category of hate - the Westboro Baptist church was kicked out of West Virginia by West Virginians who fought hate with nonviolence and lots of free speech.

Bonus - those of you who rip on the South for being backward rednecks, know this. We in the South rip on West Virginia for being backward rednecks compared to the rest of us and *they* defeated WBC when so many others couldn't. In 99 other cases, they got away with their crap or provoked some retaliation that allowed them to sue and get paid. Not this time(!)

Double Bonus - this thing is on a college campus. Some real miners came to the thing - proper working class big blue collar guys, dressing the part, the kind who still have their hard hats and cannot - or refuse on principle to spell "blog". One expects people who look like this to be the trouble makers. Not this time. The miners contributed to the rout by quoting Holy Scripture and beat the WBC on its own philosophical turf.

I love it. Everybody comes together, and they send the haters running. Phelps ass, meet West Virginia's foot!

15 Lidane  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:52:16pm

re: #11 keloyd

John Cole over at Balloon Juice is from West Virginia, and he blogged about this as well:

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Score one for the folks in WV. Getting in the face of those hateful WBC pricks was awesome.

16 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:53:54pm

re: #15 Lidane

John Cole over at Balloon Juice is from West Virginia, and he blogged about this as well:

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Score one for the folks in WV. Getting in the face of those hateful WBC pricks was awesome.

Ha ha - excellent!

Other states might stage peaceful counter-protests or sing songs about unity, but you pricks come to WV spewing your bile and we’ll follow you around making large farty sounds and have our rednecks with mullets and big dips of Copenhagen scream bible verses at you while threatening you and telling you to get back home. Get your weak shit out of here.

17 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:55:46pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

I love it. Everybody comes together, and they send the haters running. Phelps ass, meet West Virginia's foot!

Note there were Catholic kids in the counter-protest, along with at least one gay pride flag. (Be sure to stay with the video long enough for the dance.)

18 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:56:08pm

Also I'd like to say even if the people of West Virginia are red necks, do you know what else they are? Loyal Red Necks unlike the treason committing red necks of the south!

(Well the offspring of loyal red necks unlike the offspring of so on and so forth just felt worthy of saying given all the civil war stuff being mentioned)

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:58:03pm

Regarding the thread at hand, coupled with the Westboro Baptist folks... Everybody is within reach of redemption... and I am not speaking on religious terms... Anyone can bring themselves back from the brink of hate.

Westboro folks too. Skinheads. Nazis. Radical Muslims. Radical Righties. Radical Lefties...

Not gonna sing kumbaya or anything, I'm just sayin'.

20 Virginia Plain  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:59:05pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

Oh, that's right. West Virginia formed to split from the Confederate Virginia.

21 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:59:20pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Redemption is universal to the open heart and soul.

22 keloyd  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 5:59:46pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

When that blue collar guy shouted "...Whosoever..." it contained more good and proper, theologically correct Church teaching than the whole bland, mailed in Easter sermon at my church.

23 Decatur Deb  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:00:41pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Regarding the thread at hand, coupled with the Westboro Baptist folks... Everybody is within reach of redemption... and I am not speaking on religious terms... Anyone can bring themselves back from the brink of hate.

Westboro folks too. Skinheads. Nazis. Radical Muslims. Radical Righties. Radical Lefties...

Not gonna sing kumbaya or anything, I'm just sayin'.

When I work with volunteer kid groups, I have them sing Kumbaya. It's my way of saying FU to cynics. (The song came out of the Protestant missionaries from Appalachia.)

24 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:01:27pm

I want a date with Summer. Vespers and troll-meat, with dancing to follow. You hear me, girl?

25 Virginia Plain  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:03:51pm

The only appropriate response I can give to those f***ing morons of the WBC:

Youtube Video

Never going to give you up, never going to let you down...

26 Summer Seale  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:04:50pm

re: #24 Cato the Elder

Hehe I actually wrote this today about guys in Second Life. NSFW but funny:

[Link: summerseale.com...]

(Remember, I make stuff in SL...fashion designer and all) =)

If you don't know SL, you might still find it funny. If you do know SL, you might laugh really hard.

27 Lidane  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:09:16pm

Speaking of racism and the chances of redemption, apparently Derbyshire outed himself as a racist:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Yes, it's a Kos link. Don't let that stop you from reading it. They link to these remarks that Derbyshire himself published. Emphasis is mine:

When the organizers first emailed me to suggest I appear on the panel, I told them that this is my view of the matter. I said that I was flattered to be invited to speak at such a prestigious institution, and that, having two teenage children, I am always glad to get out of the house for a few hours; but that racial disparities in education and employment have their origin in biological differences between the human races. Those differences are facts in the natural world, like the orbits of the planets. They can't be legislated out of existence; nor can they be "eliminated" by social or political action.

--------

Our species separated into two parts 50, 60, or 70 thousand years ago, depending on which paleoanthropologist you ask. One part remained in Africa, the ancestral homeland. The other crossed into Southwest Asia, then split, and re-split, and re-split, until there were human populations living in near-total reproductive isolation from each other in all parts of the world. This went on for hundreds of generations, causing the divergences we see today. Different physical types, as well as differences in behavior, intelligence, and personality, are exactly what one would expect to observe when scrutinizing these divergent populations.

Unbelievable. What an asshole.

28 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:09:40pm

re: #11 keloyd

Near topic - a slightly different category of hate - the Westboro Baptist church was kicked out of West Virginia by West Virginians who fought hate with nonviolence and lots of free speech.

Bonus - those of you who rip on the South for being backward rednecks, know this. We in the South rip on West Virginia for being backward rednecks compared to the rest of us and *they* defeated WBC when so many others couldn't. In 99 other cases, they got away with their crap or provoked some retaliation that allowed them to sue and get paid. Not this time(!)

Double Bonus - this thing is on a college campus. Some real miners came to the thing - proper working class big blue collar guys, dressing the part, the kind who still have their hard hats and cannot - or refuse on principle to spell "blog". One expects people who look like this to be the trouble makers. Not this time. The miners contributed to the rout by quoting Holy Scripture and beat the WBC on its own philosophical turf.

Putting lie to the notion that Christianity is about hatred.

29 Virginia Plain  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:10:44pm

Tried out the iPad today. It looks stunning, as all Apple products do these days. I like the new iBook app. Reading something on the iPad is better than reading it on a Sony Reader or Kindle. I like that it has iWork on it, and working Pages was pretty easy. The problem is it can be hard to hold a big tablet in your arm for a long period of time. It's the only way though to type.

30 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:11:39pm

re: #26 Summer

Hehe I actually wrote this today about guys in Second Life. NSFW but funny:

[Link: summerseale.com...]

(Remember, I make stuff in SL...fashion designer and all) =)

If you don't know SL, you might still find it funny. If you do know SL, you might laugh really hard.

i don't know SL, but that was hilarious. if you had that experience, does that mean there are hundreds/thousands of other ladies on SL who these dumb souls shuffle off to accost once you've shown them the palm?

if so...yikes...

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:13:44pm

re: #28 MandyManners

Putting lie to the notion that Christianity is about hatred.

Phelps is an asshole who should in know way be confused with a good Christian. Happily, the loony kin he sent were given a tongue-lashing and put to flight.

32 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:17:04pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Phelps is an asshole who should in know way be confused with a good Christian. Happily, the loony kin he sent were given a tongue-lashing and put to flight.

How can one call him a Christian at all since he does not follow the words of Chist?

33 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:17:25pm

re: #26 Summer

Too funny!

I may be a blonde genius

Yes, I think you are a genius!

34 Lidane  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:18:44pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Phelps is an asshole who should in know way be confused with a good Christian.

FTFY.

Phelps and the WBC have nothing to do with Christianity. They're a cult that wraps their hate in a religious veneer.

35 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:19:12pm

re: #32 MandyManners

How can one call him a Christian at all since he does not follow the words of Chist?

Dare I say it, but honestly I think that Gandhi had it right.

"I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ."

I say this as a semi-christian Presbo-agnostic myself...

36 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:20:14pm

re: #35 jamesfirecat

Dare I say it, but honestly I think that Gandhi had it right.

"I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ."

I say this as a semi-christian Presbo-agnostic myself...

indeed...Thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord in vain...

37 Summer Seale  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:21:23pm

re: #30 Aceofwhat?

Yes. Every girl knows what I mean in SL. The problem is I am really unique looking in SL (I made myself and a lot of my pictures are around because I sell a lot of products since years), and (might I add) I definitely look better than any store-bought shape/skin/hair combo. =) So I get pegged real fast.

But yea, lots and lots of guys asking for attention that way. It's funny though.

re: #33 Floral Giraffe


Hehe thank you =)

BTW, I'm totally psyched right now. I'm gonna be traveling again for a while and I just bought some awesome traveling Sony noise cancelling headphones for the plane and TGV trains and such in Europe. Testing them out now and they sound *awesome*. Always wanted a pair. =)

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:23:26pm

re: #35 jamesfirecat

Dare I say it, but honestly I think that Gandhi had it right.

"I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ."

I say this as a semi-christian Presbo-agnostic myself...

I'm not a big fan of his. He did not accept the the things that had to be done to protect people like him from the monstrous forces of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. His ideas of non-violence remain the best tactics of protest, but they only work when dealing with a government that is restrained. Had the Japanese occupied an Indian city, they would have simply slaughtered any non-violent resistors en masse.

39 albusteve  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:24:41pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I'm not a big fan of his. He did not accept the the things that had to be done to protect people like him from the monstrous forces of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. His ideas of non-violence remain the best tactics of protest, but they only work when dealing with a government that is restrained. Had the Japanese occupied an Indian city, they would have simply slaughtered any non-violent resistors en masse.

the Japanese despised weakness....en mass is not an overstatement

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:24:44pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Does not take away from the fact that it is a great quote.

Fan or not.

41 MandyManners  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:25:49pm

This is Day 12 of Spring Break. It ends tomorrow.

Good night.

42 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:27:13pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I'm not a big fan of his. He did not accept the the things that had to be done to protect people like him from the monstrous forces of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. His ideas of non-violence remain the best tactics of protest, but they only work when dealing with a government that is restrained. Had the Japanese occupied an Indian city, they would have simply slaughtered any non-violent resistors en masse.

He recommended that the British surrender to the nazis and welcome the SS with all their possessions. He also told the Jews to commit mass suicide.

43 Jadespring  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:28:12pm

re: #26 Summer

Hehe I actually wrote this today about guys in Second Life. NSFW but funny:

[Link: summerseale.com...]

(Remember, I make stuff in SL...fashion designer and all) =)

If you don't know SL, you might still find it funny. If you do know SL, you might laugh really hard.

Funny stuff! I can relate. I did try out SL for about a month or so and had the same thing happen. One of my first experiences after creating myself was in the first area you go to and practice how everything works. This guy walks up, totally nekkid and says I'm pretty and wants to be my 'sex friend'. Yah okee.... I walk away and he starts following me around all over the place. So annoying. I ended up meeting some good people though who helped out with that little problem.

44 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:28:19pm

re: #27 Lidane

Speaking of racism and the chances of redemption, apparently Derbyshire outed himself as a racist:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Yes, it's a Kos link. Don't let that stop you from reading it. They link to these remarks that Derbyshire himself published. Emphasis is mine:

Unbelievable. What an asshole.

Thanks, Lidane. Those remarks from Derbyshire are stock-in-trade for the race haters. They truly believe that "we" didn't make it this way.

Uh, yes you did.

45 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:29:00pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I'm not a big fan of his. He did not accept the the things that had to be done to protect people like him from the monstrous forces of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. His ideas of non-violence remain the best tactics of protest, but they only work when dealing with a government that is restrained. Had the Japanese occupied an Indian city, they would have simply slaughtered any non-violent resistors en masse.

I won't argue with you, non violent civil disobedience is no way to deal with certain people. Still that's one of the things I love about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, he started out as a strong pacifist who had the guts to realize that you couldn't deal with someone like Hitler through pacifism and the realization made him rethink his entire idea of what kind of ethics humanity should live by...

46 lostlakehiker  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:30:36pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Regarding the thread at hand, coupled with the Westboro Baptist folks... Everybody is within reach of redemption... and I am not speaking on religious terms... Anyone can bring themselves back from the brink of hate.

Westboro folks too. Skinheads. Nazis. Radical Muslims. Radical Righties. Radical Lefties...

Not gonna sing kumbaya or anything, I'm just sayin'.

The brink, yes. But if you kill somebody, you've crossed the line. There is no going back, and there is no redemption. Murder is unforgivable.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:31:35pm

re: #42 Alouette

He recommended that the British surrender to the nazis and welcome the SS with all their possessions. He also told the Jews to commit mass suicide.

Agreed. That last truly hurt him with India's Muslim's as well as Britain's Christians. He seemed not to understand just how offensive his idea was. Both Christianity and Islam condemn that sort of mass suicide utterly.

48 Political Atheist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:31:58pm

re: #42 Alouette

He recommended that the British surrender to the nazis and welcome the SS with all their possessions. He also told the Jews to commit mass suicide.

I had never heard that. I went looking quickly and found this...
From here
Having rejected both the plea that Palestine should be offered as a place of refuge for the Jews and the idea that the Western democracies should launch a war to overthrow Hitler, Gandhi offered only one avenue for the Jews to resist their persecution while preserving their “self-respect.” Were he a German Jew, Gandhi pronounced, he would challenge the Germans to shoot or imprison him rather than “submit to discriminating treatment.” Such “voluntary” suffering, practiced by all the Jews of Germany, would bring them, he promised, immeasurable “inner strength and joy.” Indeed, “if the Jewish mind could be prepared” for such suffering, even a massacre of all German Jews “could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy,” since “to the God-fearing, death has no terror.”

49 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:32:08pm

OK, herewith, for criticism, mockery, suggestions, additions, editing, crediting, fun and frolic, I present the latest proof of my little ditty for the 2010 LGF cookbook.

Comments not only welcome, but solicited.

This blog, like the cookbook, is, after all, a joint effort.

Speaking of joints, could someone fax me some bud?

The Lizards gather for a feast
In Central Park, it seems.
'Tis not baked ham nor good Roast Beast
On which they feast their dreams.

No, 'tis gamey buttocks-meats
Of trolls and shrieking harpies.
With demi-glacé graced, and treats
Made out of would-be sharpies.

There's pounded wingnuts,
Moonbat stew,
Ayn Rand, Ron Paul on spits.
With Stormfront goons
Fried through and through
To sharpen their good wits.

The times are tough,
So beans in cans
Help warm lacertoid breeches.
While Stinky armed with ban-stick bans
The mad unwholesome leeches.

The stalkers lurk, the lurkers stalk
While merry the fire rages.
No need to bother with their talk.
We keep on turning pages.

Walter, Weasel, Brookly Red
And Killgore pile the kindling on.
The flames leap up! The theadbare thread
Becomes a thing to think upon.

You think the Center holds no sway
And all good folk are silenced?
Come visit us at dusk of day
And eat and drink sans violence.

The Right and Left all stand aghast
That such a thing can be:
Folks of all hues join in repast,
And let their troubles be.

In good times and in hard you'll find
A welcome here, my friend.
Just don't start trolling your behind -
Or on the spit you'll end.

50 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:32:14pm

re: #46 lostlakehiker

The brink, yes. But if you kill somebody, you've crossed the line. There is no going back, and there is no redemption. Murder is unforgivable.

I think you need to rewrite that slightly.

There's a difference between killing someone and murdering them.

If you're a soldier in combat who kills an enemy are you unforgivable because of it?

That's an easy one to answer, but are both first and second degree murders unforgiveable?

Is vehicular manslaughter (or other forms of manslaughter) unforgiveable?

51 Summer Seale  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:33:11pm

re: #43 Jadespring

Yea, I usually just close those IMs or ignore the chat. I have too much going on to really care. But sometimes it's nice to rip them a new one. =)

I do actually have some really good guy friends in SL. We talk about tons of stuff from politics and art to everything else. Not everyone is there just for sex. There's a heck of a lot more to it than that. And creating in SL is really awesome for me. I get to design things in my mind that I always wanted to make and even get to use some of them. That's pretty cool. =)

Anyway, it's getting late for me. I'm gonna get ready for bed soon. Thanks everyone and sleep tight! =)

52 albusteve  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:34:31pm

re: #49 Cato the Elder

very good Cato

53 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:34:40pm

re: #43 Jadespring

Funny stuff! I can relate. I did try out SL for about a month or so and had the same thing happen. One of my first experiences after creating myself was in the first area you go to and practice how everything works. This guy walks up, totally nekkid and says I'm pretty and wants to be my 'sex friend'. Yah okee... I walk away and he starts following me around all over the place. So annoying. I ended up meeting some good people though who helped out with that little problem.

ha! it sounds like a virtual form of chat roulette...buncha guys who think that sticking their junk out = flirting.

(at least put your d!@% in a box...//)

Youtube Video
54 Virginia Plain  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:37:19pm

Oh speaking of D&*( in a Box, what did you guys think of last night's episode of SNL?

55 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:39:38pm

re: #54 Virginia Plain

Oh speaking of D&*( in a Box, what did you guys think of last night's episode of SNL?

hey now - it's tivo'd...no spoilers!

56 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:42:18pm

DF (and others) may find this interesting. I don't want to cut & past the whole post, go to TPM to read.

.....the Polish government-in-exile continued in existence in London until 1990, with an unbroken succession of presidents and prime ministers-in-exile going back to 1939. And according to wikipedia, until the end, it maintained regular cabinet meetings every two weeks at its headquarters in London.

The last president was Ryszard Kaczorowski.....

Kaczorowski, now 90 years old, was one of the 96 killed in the jet crash near Smolensk.

TPM

57 avanti  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:42:43pm

Click on the Palin clip and you've seen the best of the show.

SNL.

58 swamprat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44:26pm

Damn Charles. I really wish I could upding this more. This is one amazing sound clip.

59 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44:36pm

Just got done listening to the interview. Amazing. Thank God he got out. And I love the story of the Jewish antique dealer. Life is strange And sometimes it's good. Glad it turned out good for him.

60 swamprat  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:45:43pm

re: #59 Irenicum

Just got done listening to the interview. Amazing. Thank God he got out. And I love the story of the Jewish antique dealer. Life is strange And sometimes it's good. Glad it turned out good for him.


You never know how things will turn out.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:47:55pm

re: #20 Virginia Plain

Oh, that's right. West Virginia formed to split from the Confederate Virginia.

Hardworking mountain people often had little use for the Confederacy. Sending your kids to fight for flatlanders' right to sit on their butts and live off slave labor didn't make sense to people in a lot of the Appalachian area.

62 Randall Gross  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:47:55pm

re: #27 Lidane

Derb's long been a "scientific tea cup Racialist" running with the Pat Buchanan and VDARE crowd. He's been out of the closet a long time.

63 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:50:09pm

re: #49 Cato the Elder

You need to work in our griller, extraodinaire, Dark Falcon.

64 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:50:51pm

That West Virginia thing is a beautiful, beautiful deal, man.

65 Cato the Elder  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:51:20pm

re: #57 avanti

Click on the Palin clip and you've seen the best of the show.

SNL.

Farkin' hysterical!

And am I dreaming, or was Robert Spencer the "smarty-pants professor" overdubbed with Charlie Brown's teacher's voice?

66 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:51:33pm

re: #63 Floral Giraffe

You need to work in our griller, extraodinaire, Dark Falcon.

Thank you, FG.

67 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:53:00pm

sleep tight, all-

68 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:56:09pm

Love.

Together we can find
A better state of mind.

This way please.

69 Irenicum  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:04:39pm

Hey kids, for those of you of the praying sort, I'd appreciate some. Dealing with a lot. Not sure what the other side's gonna look like.

70 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:06:02pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

You do all of the heavy lifting, for our toasted gamy buttocks!
And, you keep my drink refilled!

You're welcome.

71 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:07:14pm

re: #69 Irenicum

Hey kids, for those of you of the praying sort, I'd appreciate some. Dealing with a lot. Not sure what the other side's gonna look like.

You've got mine.
Best wishes.
Put your glass half full, rosy peepers on.
See the best that you can.
{{Irenicum}}

72 Stanghazi  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:08:54pm

re: #69 Irenicum

Hey kids, for those of you of the praying sort, I'd appreciate some. Dealing with a lot. Not sure what the other side's gonna look like.

In my thoughts. Hang in there.

73 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:11:39pm

re: #69 Irenicum

Still and all, why bother? Here's my answer. Many people need desperately to receive this message: I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.

-- Vonnegut

And I second him.

74 Achilles Tang  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:17:39pm

re: #69 Irenicum

Hey kids, for those of you of the praying sort, I'd appreciate some. Dealing with a lot. Not sure what the other side's gonna look like.

If thinking positive counts, I can do that.

If you can remember that things were better in the past, it proves they can be in the future.

75 lostlakehiker  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 7:24:16pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

I think you need to rewrite that slightly.

There's a difference between killing someone and murdering them.

If you're a soldier in combat who kills an enemy are you unforgivable because of it?

That's an easy one to answer, but are both first and second degree murders unforgiveable?

Is vehicular manslaughter (or other forms of manslaughter) unforgiveable?

OK I'll clarify. If you deliberately kill an innocent human being (and this means anyone who is not a lawful battlefield enemy or a criminal intent on rape, robbery, arson, or murder, or just possibly, if you're an officer of the law, escape) because your racist beliefs excuse or promote such killing, that is unforgivable.

But even then this doesn't quite capture the essential rule. Certain assassinations are permissible. Hitler being the perfect example of the one who got away.

Manslaughter is not murder. Whoever commits manslaughter has been careless with the lives of others, with unhappy results. This is a crime and it should be punished, and it is morally wrong, but it is within the circle of crimes that are eventually forgivable, and assuming divine justice, one may hope it is within the circle of sins that are forgivable.

76 Boogberg  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:08:10pm

Did any lizards get "bussed" back in the day? I think it was back in the early to mid 70's. There I was a 7th grader, and suddenly I found myself going to a school in the middle of "the quarters". The quarters was the section of town where most (if not all) the black people lived. Man, talk about culture shock!

That was my first experience with integration. I actually had a class called "Black History". I liked it (mainly for the Aretha Franklin films the teacher would show) so I did well. :)

77 Querent  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:49:05pm

re: #11 keloyd

Go Miners!

78 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:01:24pm

Great interview. Loved the WV vs. WBC video.

79 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:13:08pm

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks—it's good to be reminded of that every once in a while.

80 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:09:20am

re: #69 Irenicum

Hey kids, for those of you of the praying sort, I'd appreciate some. Dealing with a lot. Not sure what the other side's gonna look like.

I'm not the praying type, but you have my best wishes and, as our local baseball play-by-play guy says during a blowout, "a big ol' 'hang in there'".


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