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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:53:33pm |
I have no idea how anybody can freakin' say those windmills are eyesores.
They're amazing and beautiful, especially in motion.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:57:17pm |
re: #1 windsagio
I have no idea how anybody can freakin' say those windmills are eyesores.
They're amazing and beautiful, especially in motion.
But they spoil the unobstructed view of the smog shrouded mountains, what is more American than mountains looming out of the smog?
/
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barflytom Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:57:20pm |
They're eyesores.
And heavily subsidised eyesores too.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:58:32pm |
From the windmills of our formerly Confederate minds:
Ala. fraternity bans Rebel uniforms
‘Old South’ parties also halted after years of complaints
A college fraternity inspired by Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee has banned members around the country from wearing Confederate uniforms to "Old South" parties and parades after years of complaints that the tradition was racially insensitive.
In not totally unrelated news:
Man arrested in death of Miss. white supremacist
Mississippi authorities have made an arrest in the death of a white supremacist lawyer who was found stabbed earlier in the day in his burning home.
Rankin County Sheriff Ronnie Pennington says Richard Barrett's body was found early Thursday after residents reported seeing smoke coming from his house near a suburb of Jackson, Miss.
[...]
Barrett attracted reporters to his 2008 rally in protest of the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday in the Louisiana town of Jena, where six black teenagers were charged with beating a white classmate. Years earlier, he sued over a ban on Confederate flags at University of Mississippi football games.
The 67-year-old Barrett had traveled the U.S. to promote anti-black and anti-immigrant views. He founded a supremacist group called the Nationalist Movement.
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:58:48pm |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
Godless socialism!
Just like those damn socialist highways. Screw them, I only drive on free-market tollroads!
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:59:07pm |
Good photo, I like the way the mountains fade in a series into the background and how there's a hit of chromatism in the clouds.
{I like it but some photographers would use a yellow filter to force blue sky...}
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:01:01pm |
re: #7 Thanos
Good photo, I like the way the mountains fade in a series into the background and how there's a hit of chromatism in the clouds.
{I like it but some photographers would use a yellow filter to force blue sky...}
Actually, I did play with adjusting the color levels in iPhoto to bring out the blue, but ended up liking the unadjusted version better. Has more of a washed out desert feeling, and looks more like the reality did.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:01:43pm |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:01:56pm |
Charles - your next instrument, an iPad?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:02:29pm |
re: #6 Dante41
Just like those damn socialist highways. Screw them, I only drive on free-market tollroads!
///
But even those "private" roads are subject to government oppression like speedlimits and traffic laws. True freedom loving patriots drive on the sidewalk!
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:02:35pm |
re: #8 Charles
Actually, I did play with adjusting the color levels in iPhoto to bring out the blue, but ended up liking the unadjusted version better. Has more of a washed out desert feeling, and looks more like the reality did.
Yeah that's why I like it - from that chromatism you can see that there's desert below, mist and cloud high above.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:03:00pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:04:26pm |
re: #8 Charles
Actually, I did play with adjusting the color levels in iPhoto to bring out the blue, but ended up liking the unadjusted version better. Has more of a washed out desert feeling, and looks more like the reality did.
It's still a good photo. Fairly crisp despite the haze. Great job, Charles.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:04:34pm |
re: #14 darthstar
But nobody ever went to war over wind.
True. If you click on the links you can see the Google results for the oil and coal industry subsidies. I meant that they do receive government aid in many forms.
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simoom Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:05:28pm |
I saw really huge windmills partially obscured in the mist, a few years back, when driving along the coast of Nova Scotia. I needed to get to CAT ferry to catch a ride to Maine so unfortunately I had to resist the urge to explore more closely.
This might be them:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:05:29pm |
re: #14 darthstar
But nobody ever went to war over wind.
I don't know. I think a prince somewhere went and attacked another prince because he farted on him.
///
Silliness aside, you took that picture, Charles? I never knew you were into photography.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:06:44pm |
Here's your freaking eyesore...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:09:46pm |
It's NFL draft night!
I got good food..Cold Beer and this is just going to be awesome!
The best line I've heard tonight was Steve Young talking about being an NFL Quarterback..
'In College everybody is open..In the Pro's nobody is open'
True dat Steve
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:10:35pm |
re: #18 Dante41
Silliness aside, you took that picture, Charles? I never knew you were into photography.
Click the "Photograph" tag under the post and you'll get a list of links to other photos I've taken.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:10:56pm |
re: #19 Thanos
Here's your freaking eyesore...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Or this
I'd rather have the windmills.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:12:32pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
And seriously, there are some windmill farms in E. OR and WA. against hte desert, they're really amazing to see (as per the pic actulaly :p)
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:14:18pm |
I've got UV and Polarized filters, but I have yet to pick up a yellow filter, it's supposed to make skies bluer... The UV will just take the chromatics out btw, but it won't stop a sky from "washing out" if it's close to noon, the yellow is supposed to.
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:14:24pm |
re: #21 Charles
Click the "Photograph" tag under the post and you'll get a list of links to other photos I've taken.
Nice. You have got talent, good sir.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:15:14pm |
Well, who wants to claim they're surprised by this?
WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked an effort by Democrats to start debate on legislation to tighten regulation of the nation’s financial system, and the two sides traded bitter accusations about who was standing in the way of a bipartisan agreement.
You're in my way! I won't let you debate!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:15:27pm |
re: #18 Dante41
I don't know. I think a prince somewhere went and attacked another prince because he farted on him.
///Silliness aside, you took that picture, Charles? I never knew you were into photography.
lolz. He was into photography before the rest of this stuff...(although i'm glad he branched out)
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simoom Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:15:28pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:15:36pm |
re: #19 Thanos
Here's your freaking eyesore...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Drill here! Drill...
Uh oh! This won't bode well for the proponents of offshore oil drilling.
Up to 336,000 gallons could spill into the Gulf, based on the amount of oil the rig pulled out daily, O'Berry told CNN. And up to 700,000 gallons of diesel fuel could also leak, Coast Guard Petty Officer Ashley Butler said.
Yesterday I was watching some Tea Party video that had a couple of knuckleheads saying we should abolish the EPA. I couldn't imagine that ever happening. Yeah, bring back the days of rivers catching fire and toxic air and water.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:16:27pm |
re: #28 darthstar
Well, who wants to claim they're surprised by this?
You're in my way! I won't let you debate!
I'm curious - are there any republicans on this board who can offer a reasonable defense of their party blocking financial regulatory reform?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:16:40pm |
re: #4 barflytom
Power plants and smokestacks are eyesores. Windmills are a compromise.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:16:42pm |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
It's NFL draft night!
I got good food..Cold Beer and this is just going to be awesome!
The best line I've heard tonight was Steve Young talking about being an NFL Quarterback..
'In College everybody is open..In the Pro's nobody is open'
True dat Steve
switching back and forth between the Cavs and the draft...it doesn't get much better! cheers and here's to ya, HH-
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Digital Display Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:17:41pm |
re: #35 Aceofwhat?
switching back and forth between the Cavs and the draft...it doesn't get much better! cheers and here's to ya, HH-
Me too! Cheers...This is going to be fun!
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:18:17pm |
re: #33 Sigma_x
The article's pretty good. The Democrats are definitely finding their spines this time...playing video clips of McConnell saying he'd block the legislation before he even knew what was in it, and accusing him of ignoring the content of the bill. Poor guy's jowels must be sore from all that objecting.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:19:09pm |
re: #37 darthstar
Maybe even a partial victory over healthcare has gotten them out of their decades-long 'beaten dog/beta male' schtick.
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:20:06pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
Yesterday I was watching some Tea Party video that had a couple of knuckleheads saying we should abolish the EPA. I couldn't imagine that ever happening. Yeah, bring back the days of rivers catching fire and toxic air and water.
Not really. It was just a gas explosion on a drilling rig, not a production rig. To be honest, it is surprising that this happened. The drilling industry really changed itself after Piper Alpha.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:20:25pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:21:04pm |
re: #33 Sigma_x
I'm curious - are there any republicans on this board who can offer a reasonable defense of their party blocking financial regulatory reform?
Because Shelby is still negotiating in good faith. It's a political tactic by Reid to make the Repubs look bad because he knows that Shelby is still working on it with Democrats.
I'm not saying republicans don't do the same PR stunts to make the Dems look bad...but all you have to do is read a few different stories from a few different sources and you'll get the gist of it.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:21:05pm |
re: #39 bosforus
Without lulz, the internet cannot feed. We need lulz.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:22:03pm |
re: #40 Dante41
Not really. It was just a gas explosion on a drilling rig, not a production rig. To be honest, it is surprising that this happened. The drilling industry really changed itself after Piper Alpha.
The specifics won't matter too much in the court of public opinion. It will open up a lot "what if" scenarios in the minds of many people.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:23:05pm |
re: #37 darthstar
The article's pretty good. The Democrats are definitely finding their spines this time...playing video clips of McConnell saying he'd block the legislation before he even knew what was in it, and accusing him of ignoring the content of the bill. Poor guy's jowels must be sore from all that objecting.
Well, they gave up on their up is down/black is white strategy of claiming that they were gonna vote against the bill because it would allow for endless future bailouts of too-big-to-fail firms, when the bill was designed to do the complete opposite.
So today I got a glimpse of the new spin they're trying out on FOX - they're claiming that they're gonna vote against the bill because it doesn't dismantle Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, which is completely unrealistic and senseless, because you CAN'T dismantle either of them, unless you want a complete collapse of the economy.
I wonder what their excuse will be next week?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:23:06pm |
As some of you may know, the other day Jim Manzi wrote a short blurb over on "The Corner" trashing Mark Levin's chapter on global warming. Mark Levin wrote a lengthy (denialist) reply. Megan McCardle, of whom I normally have no love, wrote a brilliant snarky aside:
In the continuing saga of the most recent conservative "epistemic closure" spat, he describes Jim Manzi as a "global warming zealot." This is a little like describing Christopher Hitchens as an apologist for the Catholic Church.
When even the Libertarian fundamentalists start calling the right wing-nuts out, then it seems like our political scene is ripe for change.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:23:34pm |
re: #33 Sigma_x
I'm curious - are there any republicans on this board who can offer a reasonable defense of their party blocking financial regulatory reform?
They're holding up the bill to keep negotiations going. They don't want to start debate without an agreement, for fear of being sandbagged.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:24:06pm |
re: #8 Charles
You should check out the trona pinnacles if you haven't.
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:26:16pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
The specifics won't matter too much in the court of public opinion. It will open up a lot "what if" scenarios in the minds of many people.
As I said, not so much. Contrary to popular belief, the oil drilling industry is pretty safe. This is the first major rig explosion since Piper Alpha blew, and this doesn't have nearly the death toll. And for once, the authorities were prepared for the oil spill. They knew the thing was going to sink, and started calling up all of the spill response ships all along the coast.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:26:20pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They're holding up the bill to keep negotiations going. They don't want to start debate without an agreement, for fear of being sandbagged.
The negotiations are over the democrats wanting regulation of the derivatives market in the bill, and the republicans not wanting it, because that's what the banks are paying them to not want.
But without regulation of the derivatives market, the whole bill would be meaningless.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:26:41pm |
re: #45 Sigma_x
Well, they gave up on their up is down/black is white strategy of claiming that they were gonna vote against the bill because it would allow for endless future bailouts of too-big-to-fail firms, when the bill was designed to do the complete opposite.
So today I got a glimpse of the new spin they're trying out on FOX - they're claiming that they're gonna vote against the bill because it doesn't dismantle Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, which is completely unrealistic and senseless, because you CAN'T dismantle either of them, unless you want a complete collapse of the economy.
I wonder what their excuse will be next week?
right...they're currently negotiating on it in good faith, from all accounts, so Reid has to bring it to the floor now, otherwise there might actually be bipartisanship.
see how these silly partisan angles don't help much?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:27:15pm |
re: #50 Sigma_x
The negotiations are over the democrats wanting regulation of the derivatives market in the bill, and the republicans not wanting it, because that's what the banks are paying them to not want.
But without regulation of the derivatives market, the whole bill would be meaningless.
wait...are you saying that republicans get more $ from Wall Street than Democrats???
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:27:52pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They're holding up the bill to keep negotiations going. They don't want to start debate without an agreement, for fear of being sandbagged.
McConnell's strategy is to kill any legislation he can while they're in the minority. Reid, Dodd, and co. tried for two months to work with Shelby, and another month trying to work with Corker. Their ideas are in the bill already...that's why they're not saying they'll stand firm to kill the bill. McConnell, however, is going Boehner/Cantor on the bill...taking a page out of Bachmann's book of crazy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:28:13pm |
re: #8 Charles
Actually, I did play with adjusting the color levels in iPhoto to bring out the blue, but ended up liking the unadjusted version better. Has more of a washed out desert feeling, and looks more like the reality did.
Great and topical photo for Earth day! I approve a lot!
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:28:15pm |
re: #52 Aceofwhat?
wait...are you saying that republicans get more $ from Wall Street than Democrats???
This year? Yes, I am. For a fact.
In 2008 it was Obama and the Democrats who got all the money. Now? The money from Wall St. is flowing to Republicans, like, 4:1.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:29:28pm |
re: #47 Dark_Falcon
They're holding up the bill to keep negotiations going. They don't want to start debate without an agreement, for fear of being sandbagged.
That leaves out the tiny fact that they've been negotiating for a month or more with no signs of movement.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:30:41pm |
BTW, wind energy provided a significant fraction of the new US electricity supply added last year. I forget what the actual number was, but I'm sure someone can look it up. The US doesn't need to build any more coal-fired plants.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:30:58pm |
re: #46 freetoken
As some of you may know, the other day Jim Manzi wrote a short blurb over on "The Corner" trashing Mark Levin's chapter on global warming. Mark Levin wrote a lengthy (denialist) reply. Megan McCardle, of whom I normally have no love, wrote a brilliant snarky aside:
When even the Libertarian fundamentalists start calling the right wing-nuts out, then it seems like our political scene is ripe for change.
Sullivan had a post up about that the other day, but unfortunately he led with a link to a "Chronicles/Weyrich/FCF" guy who's someone I wouldn't link to.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:31:15pm |
re: #56 avanti
I think they're actually allergic to the 'good faith' part of 'negotiation'.
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:31:15pm |
re: #53 darthstar
McConnell's strategy is to kill any legislation he can while they're in the minority. Reid, Dodd, and co. tried for two months to work with Shelby, and another month trying to work with Corker. Their ideas are in the bill already...that's why they're not saying they'll stand firm to kill the bill. McConnell, however, is going Boehner/Cantor on the bill...taking a page out of Bachmann's book of crazy.
A key tenet of Republican electoral philosophy seems to be that the US Federal Government = non-functional and bad at governance. I haven't quite strung together how they think that position will make me vote for them, but they seem pretty firm in that belief.
Therefore their efforts to sabotage just about any legislation works towards that goal.
The freddie/fannie angle feels akin to Dems proposing a bill saying that puppies are cute, and Republicans flipping out and calling them socialist because they forgot about kittens (ignoring the 2 months in committee in which they could have brought up kittens).
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:32:57pm |
I will say that Charles Schumer is the biggest beneficiary of Wall St. money this year, for the simple fact that he's running the show.
A close 2nd place? McConnell.
But, it doesn't matter. BOTH parties are completely corrupt, and the bill won't do shit no matter what happens. Even if the Democrats wrote it themselves with no help from the Republicans, the bill will be toothless.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:34:35pm |
re: #49 Dante41
As I said, not so much. Contrary to popular belief, the oil drilling industry is pretty safe. This is the first major rig explosion since Piper Alpha blew, and this doesn't have nearly the death toll. And for once, the authorities were prepared for the oil spill. They knew the thing was going to sink, and started calling up all of the spill response ships all along the coast.
Well, I'm not so sure about that yet. The news is just getting out. The Coast Guard is reporting that there's a 1 by 5 mile oil slick. And it's Earth Day. The Brisbane Times is reporting this as 'Major oil spill' as rig sinks off US coast.
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:34:42pm |
Well, Lizards, I have to jet. I have either an essay test on modern American History, or four hours of watch. Either way, stay scaly.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:34:43pm |
You know who's really writing this bill? Jamie Dimon - the most powerful man in America right now.
But, yeah, more dough is going to Republicans this year, for obvious reasons.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:35:07pm |
re: #57 freetoken
BTW, wind energy provided a significant fraction of the new US electricity supply added last year. I forget what the actual number was, but I'm sure someone can look it up. The US doesn't need to build any more coal-fired plants.
I'm really hoping we see some breakthroughs on home solar and/or wind power soon. Maybe within the next 5-10 years it'll be cost effective.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:35:14pm |
re: #55 Sigma_x
This year? Yes, I am. For a fact.
In 2008 it was Obama and the Democrats who got all the money. Now? The money from Wall St. is flowing to Republicans, like, 4:1.
oh. good thing i didn't accuse Obama of being in Wall Street's pocket during the bailout, in that case.
9_9
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:35:34pm |
re: #59 windsagio
I think they're actually allergic to the 'good faith' part of 'negotiation'.
Like the GM bailout and TARP, there is the risk that it will work and the Dems will get some credit.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:35:41pm |
re: #56 avanti
That leaves out the tiny fact that they've been negotiating for a month or more with no signs of movement.
Their idea of negotiation is "do it our way!"(then we'll vote against it)
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:36:04pm |
Fox talking heads marveling at how Tea Parties could be linked to right wing extremism:
[Link: video.foxnews.com...]
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:36:06pm |
re: #61 Sigma_x
I will say that Charles Schumer is the biggest beneficiary of Wall St. money this year, for the simple fact that he's running the show.
A close 2nd place? McConnell.
But, it doesn't matter. BOTH parties are completely corrupt, and the bill won't do shit no matter what happens. Even if the Democrats wrote it themselves with no help from the Republicans, the bill will be toothless.
bankers getting $100k out of college and $1M ~10 years later to make the most $ for their bank possible. They work 20 hours a day, have the very latest technology on their side, come from top schools, and have little regard for anything that won't make them a buck.
Does anyone here really think that they won't find a way around/through/between/under whatever legislation makes its way into law?
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:36:07pm |
re: #66 Aceofwhat?
oh. good thing i didn't accuse Obama of being in Wall Street's pocket during the bailout, in that case.
9_9
Well, he was. Along with every other motherf_cker in D.C.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:36:07pm |
re: #56 avanti
That leaves out the tiny fact that they've been negotiating for a month or more with no signs of movement.
By all means. Let's rush this. It's not very important.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:36:20pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:36:50pm |
re: #71 Sigma_x
Well, he was. Along with every other motherf_cker in D.C.
Upding for consistency, then!
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:37:14pm |
re: #62 Gus 802
Well, I'm not so sure about that yet. The news is just getting out. The Coast Guard is reporting that there's a 1 by 5 mile oil slick. And it's Earth Day. The Brisbane Times is reporting this as 'Major oil spill' as rig sinks off US coast.
Yes, of course it is a major spill. A drilling rig blew up and sank. However, they did know it was coming, and response ships whose entire job is to sit in port and wait for something like this are heading for it.
Anyway, a 1-by-5 slick isn't that big. Seriously. The one from the Amoco Cadiz wreck was thousands of miles long.
/really leaving now
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:37:16pm |
re: #56 avanti
That leaves out the tiny fact that they've been negotiating for a month or more with no signs of movement.
Just yesterday both sides said they were making progress. What happened?
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:38:06pm |
re: #72 Aceofwhat?
By all means. Let's rush this. It's not very important.
Sure, we could handle a few more Wall street caused economic collapses while we delay.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:38:12pm |
re: #75 Dante41
Yes, of course it is a major spill. A drilling rig blew up and sank. However, they did know it was coming, and response ships whose entire job is to sit in port and wait for something like this are heading for it.
Anyway, a 1-by-5 slick isn't that big. Seriously. The one from the Amoco Cadiz wreck was thousands of miles long.
/really leaving now
Understood. Have a good one.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:38:12pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
As Ojoe point out, he could design a house for you with passive solar in mind that would make such house very energy efficient.
At your high latitude and cloudy climate, photovoltaic may never be worthwhile. Yet solar-thermal probably would, if designed into a house, be very useful. For Oregon (west of the desert), tapping wind is probably the best bet.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:38:27pm |
re: #62 Gus 802
Well, I'm not so sure about that yet. The news is just getting out. The Coast Guard is reporting that there's a 1 by 5 mile oil slick. And it's Earth Day. The Brisbane Times is reporting this as 'Major oil spill' as rig sinks off US coast.
You all want a first hand account? I'll fly over it tomorrow and I'l update you. I have a flight schedule for tomorrow PM to map the slick.
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:38:34pm |
re: #55 Sigma_x
This year? Yes, I am. For a fact.
In 2008 it was Obama and the Democrats who got all the money. Now? The money from Wall St. is flowing to Republicans, like, 4:1.
Its cause, as we've seen, Wall Street seems to be good at betting on winners (winners for themselves anyway, everyone else gets stuck with the bag of S#!t when the music stops).
If I were them, I'd be paying $ to whoever I thought would win a race. 2008 that was Dems, 2010 thats Reps.
$10,000 dollars to a D who will likely win in 2008 and may do you one small solid favor is a much much better investment that $0.01 to an R who is going to lose, and vice versa.
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:38:50pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:39:05pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
I read something on TPM about Chuck Schumer calling the republicans liars over their, well, lies abot the bill. Probably hurt their feelings again.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:39:09pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
Just yesterday both sides said they were making progress. What happened?
they were making progress...
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:39:14pm |
re: #69 freetoken
Fox talking heads marveling at how Tea Parties could be linked to right wing extremism:
[Link: video.foxnews.com...]
Juan 'fucked in the head' Williams...what a tool. And Megan called him "NPR News Analyst and Fox Contributor"...Juan was just warned about listing himself as an employee of NPR (he's on contract) just a few months ago. Time to fire off another letter to NPR.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:39:42pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
Just yesterday both sides said they were making progress. What happened?
I think the GOP decided it would be in their best interests to stick with the party of "no" theme and circled the wagons.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:39:52pm |
re: #79 avanti
Sure, we could handle a few more Wall street caused economic collapses while we delay.
yes. that will happen in the next 6-9 months.
i assume that to mean you don't really have a good answer...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:40:33pm |
re: #88 avanti
I think the GOP decided it would be in their best interests to stick with the party of "no" theme and circled the wagons.
wait, the GOP wanted to end negotiations and bring the bill to the floor? Reid is a Republican?
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:40:59pm |
More WTF? stuff.
The American Family Association, a powerful Christian hate group known for its homophobia and grassroots lobbying campaigns, used the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing on Monday to declare that “government” is “a larger, more insidious threat to America” than terrorists like Timothy McVeigh or al Qaeda:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:41:05pm |
re: #82 Jetpilot1101
You all want a first hand account? I'll fly over it tomorrow and I'l update you. I have a flight schedule for tomorrow PM to map the slick.
You flying rotary or fixed wing?
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:41:32pm |
re: #89 Aceofwhat?
yes. that will happen in the next 6-9 months.
i assume that to mean you don't really have a good answer...
My answer is we've waited too long already, and if we wait until the GOP gains seats, it'll never get done.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:42:00pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
You flying rotary or fixed wing?
Fixed but all my friends who fly rotary were the guys you saw on TV pulling folks off the blazing rig.
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:42:14pm |
re: #72 Aceofwhat?
By all means. Let's rush this. It's not very important.
Now's the time. If you can't get something done, in an election year, with massive popular support for reform, then when? You can come back and improve it later, but you should get the basics in place now.
The second reason for "now" is that Wall Street is in a much less fragile place (Dow up something like 50%+ since early 2009). They can take the "hit" of reform. Even today w/ Obama's speech, the Dow didn't dive that much.
That is, unless you think everything that went down leading up to the recession was Kosher, in which case we should be having a different discussion.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:42:23pm |
re: #87 darthstar
Yeah, two airheads if there ever were any.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:43:11pm |
re: #78 Obdicut
What is wrong with voting on bills?
They might pass and the American people might see that the President is not a commie bent on destroying the exceptionalism! of the USA.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:43:16pm |
re: #93 avanti
My answer is we've waited too long already, and if we wait until the GOP gains seats, it'll never get done.
my answer is that someone who wants to do in one month alone what could be done in six months with both parties isn't really interested in bipartisanship.
as opposed to the ZOMG THEY'RE BLOCKING THE VOTE.
you have partisan on your shirt.
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:43:23pm |
re: #93 avanti
My answer is we've waited too long already, and if we wait until the GOP gains seats, it'll never get done.
+1
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:44:13pm |
re: #96 EastSider
Now's the time. If you can't get something done, in an election year, with massive popular support for reform, then when? You can come back and improve it later, but you should get the basics in place now.
The second reason for "now" is that Wall Street is in a much less fragile place (Dow up something like 50%+ since early 2009). They can take the "hit" of reform. Even today w/ Obama's speech, the Dow didn't dive that much.
That is, unless you think everything that went down leading up to the recession was Kosher, in which case we should be having a different discussion.
we have another 6 months...
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:44:25pm |
re: #99 Aceofwhat?
my answer is that someone who wants to do in one month alone what could be done in six months with both parties isn't really interested in bipartisanship.
as opposed to the ZOMG THEY'RE BLOCKING THE VOTE.
you have partisan on your shirt.
and in six months you'd have republicans saying
"Lets start over--the bill is flawed, we should start from scratch"
They kind of tipped their playbook during the healthcare debate, and its the old refrain of "fooled me once...."
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:44:30pm |
re: #40 Dante41
Not really. It was just a gas explosion on a drilling rig, not a production rig. To be honest, it is surprising that this happened. The drilling industry really changed itself after Piper Alpha.
There are gauges and monitors and blow-out preventers (BOP's) and all sorts of things that are supposed to alert folks there's a spike BEFORE a blowout occurs. You're right, what is surprising is that it happened. There had to have been failure of several pieces of equipment, OR somebody wasn't paying attention. Or both.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:44:47pm |
Are they booing Goodell? Why?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:45:35pm |
re: #102 EastSider
and in six months you'd have republicans saying
"Lets start over--the bill is flawed, we should start from scratch"
They kind of tipped their playbook during the healthcare debate, and its the old refrain of "fooled me once..."
so bring it to the floor then. what's the problem again?
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EastSider Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:45:39pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:45:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:46:06pm |
re: #88 avanti
I think the GOP decided it would be in their best interests to stick with the party of "no" theme and circled the wagons.
What I think happened is the Dems are trying pressure tactics: Trying to start debate to put pressure on Republicans to make concessions.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:46:18pm |
re: #91 webevintage
More WTF? stuff.
The American Family Association, a powerful Christian hate group known for its homophobia and grassroots lobbying campaigns, used the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing on Monday to declare that “government” is “a larger, more insidious threat to America” than terrorists like Timothy McVeigh or al Qaeda:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
It seems to be a good rule of thumb that nearly every group with the word "Family" in the name can be assumed to be a bunch of tools until proven otherwise.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:46:55pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:47:55pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
What I think happened is the Dems are trying pressure tactics: Trying to start debate to put pressure on Republicans to make concessions.
bingo
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:22pm |
re: #102 EastSider
and in six months you'd have republicans saying
"Lets start over--the bill is flawed, we should start from scratch"
They kind of tipped their playbook during the healthcare debate, and its the old refrain of "fooled me once..."
Heh. Really good point.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:38pm |
I see Sarah Palin is still having a hard time with coherent thought patterns, this is from a speech she gave in Ontario Canada on the 21st:
I'm wanting to, though, kind of shift away from the political. I'm just getting off the trough from doing a lot of Tea Parties across the US, man those are a blast. They're rowdy and they're wild and it's just another melting pot, there's just diversity there and all walks of life and all forms of partisanship and non partisanship just wanting good things to happen in this part of the world. It's been a blast. The shift from the political, so now that I have that shift from the political but still have that desire to talk about the economy and talk about energy and resources and national security and all those things. I was telling Todd, okay, this is like [inaudible] on the vice presidential campaign trail, where you never really knew what you were getting into when you get into that line before you were interviewed. Obviously, sometimes I never knew what I was getting into in an interview. Obviously!
Honestly, is there one complete sentence or thought in there anywhere?
Or maybe she just needs bigger hands so she can write more complete "notes" down on her palms or something? /
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:40pm |
re: #94 Jetpilot1101
Fixed but all my friends who fly rotary were the guys you saw on TV pulling folks off the blazing rig.
Right, like it says in your profile. I haven't seen a video yet. First heard about this 2 hours ago. Last two USCG aircraft I saw was a static HU-25 and the C-130 "Sacramento" CG-1718.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:41pm |
re: #111 Aceofwhat?
bingo
To be fair, Republicans have tried the same thing at times. It's a nasty little Senate trick, but not outside the boundaries.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:49pm |
re: #110 Dreggas
Well, the good news is that it will bring new jobs to the area once Dallas/Fort Worth becomes a seaport.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:50:00pm |
re: #46 freetoken
As some of you may know, the other day Jim Manzi wrote a short blurb over on "The Corner" trashing Mark Levin's chapter on global warming. Mark Levin wrote a lengthy (denialist) reply. Megan McCardle, of whom I normally have no love, wrote a brilliant snarky aside:
This whole Levin/Manzi/NRO thing is a very popcorn worthy tiff...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:50:01pm |
re: #81 freetoken
Yeah, my house is 100 years old and certainly wasn't designed to be energy efficient. Our summers here are hot and dry so solar will work relatively well. Our winters are pretty overcast but there's plenty of wind (summers are usually dead calm). It would take a combination of wind and solar for it to work around here.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:50:46pm |
re: #110 Dreggas
I linked to the ANDRILL work yesterday. They've discovered that even during the Miocene - the long period of time during which Antarctica first started glaciating over, that there were evidences of rapid climate change there. More so than they had expected.
That doesn't man East Antarctica today will melt anytime soon, though. However, in the recent past (meaning the current glacial cycle starting from the last inter-glacial some 100,000 years ago) it has been shown that Greenland has undergone very quick climate changes, and possibly West Antarctica too.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:50:52pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Republicans have tried the same thing at times. It's a nasty little Senate trick, but not outside the boundaries.
no question at all, and i said as much above. it just doesn't speak to whether the party on the recipient end is the ZOMG PARTY OF NO.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:51:44pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
I'm really unsure how calling for a vote on a bill is a nasty trick.
Can you explain?
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:51:52pm |
re: #96 EastSider
Now's the time. If you can't get something done, in an election year, with massive popular support for reform, then when? You can come back and improve it later, but you should get the basics in place now.
The second reason for "now" is that Wall Street is in a much less fragile place (Dow up something like 50%+ since early 2009). They can take the "hit" of reform. Even today w/ Obama's speech, the Dow didn't dive that much.
That is, unless you think everything that went down leading up to the recession was Kosher, in which case we should be having a different discussion.
Actually, it went UP after his speech. I was down a 100 points and ended up closing in the green again.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:52:59pm |
re: #117 webevintage
This whole Levin/Manzi/NRO thing is a very popcorn worthy tiff...
Thing is, Manzi is the lone wolf, and I think NRO only publishes his stuff because of his connection with the Manhattan Institute. Most of the NRO are anti-science wingnuts, except for the genetic racist Derbyshire.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:53:30pm |
re: #113 ausador
Honestly, is there one complete sentence or thought in there anywhere?
A classic Palin word salad.
But HEY, that means she is authentic and an original and a REAL fucking American.
You betcha!!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:54:56pm |
If there were enough windmills they would slow down the wind.
Then there would be less windchill, hence more warming.
And less evaporation, hence less rainfall.
OMFG.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:54:57pm |
re: #122 Obdicut
I'm really unsure how calling for a vote on a bill is a nasty trick.
Can you explain?
It's just a pressure tactic. It's not beyond the boundaries of normal political maneuvering, as I said above. It's not nice (pressure tactics never are) but its not evil either.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:55:40pm |
The Arizona birthers are starting to draw international attention:
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:55:43pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
Again: How is it not nice? What makes it not nice?
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:56:04pm |
re: #124 freetoken
except for the genetic racist Derbyshire.
hahahahahaha
THAT is one of the best descriptions of Derbyshire evah!
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:57:02pm |
re: #131 webevintage
English is a wonderfully pliable language.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:57:30pm |
re: #110 Dreggas
I don't know if I trust what the author says in that diary since he starts off with an immediately falsifiable bullshit statement:
The last time CO2 levels were this high (14 - 20 million years ago)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:57:36pm |
re: #130 Obdicut
Again: How is it not nice? What makes it not nice?
they're still negotiating. you know, bipartisanship.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:57:59pm |
re: #113 ausador
I see Sarah Palin is still having a hard time with coherent thought patterns, this is from a speech she gave in Ontario Canada on the 21st:
Honestly, is there one complete sentence or thought in there anywhere?
Or maybe she just needs bigger hands so she can write more complete "notes" down on her palms or something? /
Read the whole speech, if you can (hint: you can't).
[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]
That paragraph you posted is representative of the entire speech. I get physically tired trying to wade through her verbal spaghetti.
I want to talk real quick about purpose in life and it not being an accident that you are all here today together at this time, in this hour, there is a reason things just worked out for all of us to get to be here. And I’ll talk about that in this context. In about one year’s time span, what Todd and I have gone through. Sometimes when I have just a second to stop and think about things, maybe just one of these events is pretty earthquake equivalent of, it’s pretty earth shattering, just one of these events. You think, wow, there could be some lessons could be learned in this. First of all I was very, very busy. I was governor of Alaska and not having been elected at a relatively young age, at the time looking back I think I was young back then when I was first elected, it seems eons ago.
whisky tango foxtrot, over.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:58:34pm |
re: #113 ausador
I see Sarah Palin is still having a hard time with coherent thought patterns, this is from a speech she gave in Ontario Canada on the 21st:
Honestly, is there one complete sentence or thought in there anywhere?
Or maybe she just needs bigger hands so she can write more complete "notes" down on her palms or something? /
I've never commented on her before, but yikes, she sounds like a tweaker here.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:59:36pm |
You could easily hide just one nuclear powered generator out there and preserve the vista - and power up millions more homes. These windmills are relatively a fart in the wind in the face of the demand. But if you are a greenie you will admire their beauty and praise their sustainability.
Wind is a bad joke. This is from someone who's company earns millions as a vendor to the wind industry.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:59:41pm |
re: #120 freetoken
The really bad part is if it exposes the ruins of the old one and re-awakens them from their frozen slumber. The plant people are not to be trifled with.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:59:43pm |
re: #135 negativ
whisky tango foxtrot, over.
heh. oscar mike george, we read you. bogey at eleventy o'clock...
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:59:55pm |
re: #133 Thanos
The ANDRILL effort is not just cutting through ice, but also sediment below the ice. That is how they are getting back millions of years.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:00:42pm |
Basically conservatives are often uncomfortable with change. Even in the old car hobby, I noticed it. When the Internet started growing a few years back, a few of us tried to get the Studebaker Club to embrace it, but were fought at every turn.
It was so bad I recall asking to use the PA system at a Studebaker meet to make a announcement. When I got on the mike and asked for a meet up for pictures of our internet users a club member came running up screaming " No internet, no internet !"
It was not until two years ago that we got a Club website on the net and convinced them it was not the end of the world.
Conservatives and liberals are wired differently, but we need both change and resistance to too much change for it to work.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:00:58pm |
And to the Stalkers who mocked me for complementing Charles on his photo, allow me to offer you the following:
Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
'cause you're an asshole tonight.
Yes you're an A S S H O L E...
And don't you try to blame it on me.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:00pm |
re: #107 Aceofwhat?
Suuuhhh!
I'm so behind in the thread. I got it as soon as I typed the damn post. oh well.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:34pm |
re: #134 Aceofwhat?
they're still negotiating. you know, bipartisanship.
Again: How is it not nice? They've negotiated for a month. The GOP just held up the appointments of something like 97 people. Calling for a vote on a much-needed bill seems to me being responsible. If the GOP thinks it's a bad bill, they can vote against it, they can propose fixes to it if it passes.
Turning invoking cloture into 'not being nice' is really, really silly.
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wrenchwench Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:34pm |
re: #137 The Shadow Do
Wind is a bad joke. This is from someone who's company earns millions as a vendor to the wind industry.
Even bad comedy is profitable?
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:02:00pm |
re: #140 freetoken
The ANDRILL effort is not just cutting through ice, but also sediment below the ice. That is how they are getting back millions of years.
Understood, but the statement he made to lead the diary off with is still easily falsifiable bullshit, demonstrating a willingness to stretch facts or lie for the agenda. I stop reading like KT when I see that.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:02:18pm |
re: #130 Obdicut
Again: How is it not nice? What makes it not nice?
Pushing at people is never nice. It's not indecent, but it is not nice, IMO.
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lostlakehiker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:02:19pm |
re: #1 windsagio
I have no idea how anybody can freakin' say those windmills are eyesores.
They're amazing and beautiful, especially in motion.
Oh puhleeze. Those things are eyesores just like that ugly steel and cement thing that gets in the way of the view of the bay in SF---the Golden Whatever bridge, they call it? Phaugh. If it has any utility at all, it's ugly.
/you didn't imagine I meant it, did you?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:02:36pm |
re: #141 avanti
Basically conservatives are often uncomfortable with change. Even in the old car hobby, I noticed it. When the Internet started growing a few years back, a few of us tried to get the Studebaker Club to embrace it, but were fought at every turn.
It was so bad I recall asking to use the PA system at a Studebaker meet to make a announcement. When I got on the mike and asked for a meet up for pictures of our internet users a club member came running up screaming " No internet, no internet !"
It was not until two years ago that we got a Club website on the net and convinced them it was not the end of the world.
Conservatives and liberals are wired differently, but we need both change and resistance to too much change for it to work.
That's really interesting. I didn't know that ALL Studebaker collectors were conservatives. Do you have a Nate Silver poll on that?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:03:15pm |
re: #141 avanti
sort of an overgeneralization, isn't it? i'm not offended or anything, but doesn't it depend on the subject?
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Crimsonfisted Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:04:49pm |
re: #30 simoom
Ugg... that'll teach me to read the URL before clicking.
upding upding ad nauseum. I wish I had read the url first too. I honestly thought it was going to be a picture of a beautiful woman or something.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:05:20pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
How is filibustering not pushing at people, then? That's what invoking cloture is-- it's breaking a filibuster, so that a vote can actually proceed on the bill.
I think that EastSider said it exactly right. We negotiated health insurance reform forever-- and the GOP started saying we had to start over.
The GOP has already lied about the effects of this bill publicly. If they want to negotiate, they should do so in good faith.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:05:28pm |
re: #144 Obdicut
oh, for the love of Pete. one month is now your arbitrary deadline? don't ask for bipartisanship if you don't really want it. these are senators, not rocket scientists. i get that November is an artificial deadline...how about we negotiate until then?
and how are nominees (i love that blocking nominees is now the subject du jour, not that Democrats ever do that) related to the negotiation of this particular bill again? no nominees get through until this one bill gets to the floor?
i don't remember that rule...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:06:53pm |
re: #152 Obdicut
The GOP has already lied about the effects of this bill publicly. If they want to negotiate, they should do so in good faith.
i agree! that's what they're doing, according to news from yesterday. of course, voting on it ends negotiation...that's the rub...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:08:24pm |
re: #153 Aceofwhat?
No, one month is not my arbitrary deadline. There is no deadline. That's my point.
and how are nominees (i love that blocking nominees is now the subject du jour, not that Democrats ever do that) related to the negotiation of this particular bill again? no nominees get through until this one bill gets to the floor?
The amount of blocking of qualified, uncontroversial nominees really is higher by the GOP right now than at any point under the Democrats. It's really shameful and harmful to the functioning of government.
If you are talking about the Democrats and the Republicans working together and spend much of a thread castigating the Democrats for being 'not nice' because they have the temerity to actually want to vote on a bill, then you really need to look at what the GOP is doing in general. This bill does not exist in a vacuum.
I think what the Democrats learned from the health care debate is that the longer the issue remains in public, the more egregious the lies about it will become.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:09:03pm |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
That's really interesting. I didn't know that ALL Studebaker collectors were conservatives. Do you have a Nate Silver poll on that?
Not all, maybe 70-80 % would be my best guess. It's a older, almost all white crowd and most old car types seem to be right of center, especially that collect a fairly conservative car line.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:09:17pm |
re: #154 Aceofwhat?
i agree! that's what they're doing, according to news from yesterday. of course, voting on it ends negotiation...that's the rub...
You agree that they should admit they lied, and should stop lying?
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lostlakehiker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:09:28pm |
re: #57 freetoken
BTW, wind energy provided a significant fraction of the new US electricity supply added last year. I forget what the actual number was, but I'm sure someone can look it up. The US doesn't need to build any more coal-fired plants.
That's assuming we can steel ourselves to build nuclear power plants instead. Wind energy is great and I'm a big "fan" of it, but baseline power it's not. For that, you need something that works day and night, rain or shine, wind or calm. Coal fills the bill, and so does nuclear, and that's about it unless you have a nice big hydro site nearby.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:10:46pm |
McConnell lied rather blatantly about the contents of the proposed bill, publicly. Absent a retraction, "good faith" has left the building.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:10:49pm |
re: #155 Obdicut
No, one month is not my arbitrary deadline. There is no deadline. That's my point.
The amount of blocking of qualified, uncontroversial nominees really is higher by the GOP right now than at any point under the Democrats. It's really shameful and harmful to the functioning of government.
If you are talking about the Democrats and the Republicans working together and spend much of a thread castigating the Democrats for being 'not nice' because they have the temerity to actually want to vote on a bill, then you really need to look at what the GOP is doing in general. This bill does not exist in a vacuum.
I think what the Democrats learned from the health care debate is that the longer the issue remains in public, the more egregious the lies about it will become.
fine. then end the charade about ZOMG PARTY OF NO. because if you're going to rule out bipartisanship due to past "bad behavior", don't accuse someone else of not showing bipartisanship.
at least own it.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:11:26pm |
re: #160 Aceofwhat?
fine. then end the charade about ZOMG PARTY OF NO. because if you're going to rule out bipartisanship due to past "bad behavior", don't accuse someone else of not showing bipartisanship.
at least own it.
I have no clue what kind of an argument it is. It's not past bad behavior. It's current bad behavior.
Do you get that?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:11:48pm |
re: #157 Obdicut
You agree that they should admit they lied, and should stop lying?
i agree that they should continue negotiating. you, apparently, feel that one month is enough time and that this bill does not exist in a vacuum.
which is too bad. i thought it was important enough to put aside the petty squabbles. guess not.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:12:34pm |
re: #156 avanti
Not all, maybe 70-80 % would be my best guess. It's a older, almost all white crowd and most old car types seem to be right of center, especially that collect a fairly conservative car line.
And you hang around with people like THAT!. Avanti, your little anecdote is just that... anecdotal... it no more proves your point than suggesting that any conservative without a cell phone is because that conservative doesn't like change.
I'm a conservative and I've been on the internet since it was... well... Arpanet... and Al Gore was no where to be seen.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:13:08pm |
re: #162 Aceofwhat?
Why can't you say that they should stop lying? Are you denying that they've lied about it, or do you feel that it's not important for them to stop?
What is the arbitrary amount of time that's 'just right' for the bill to be 'negotiated'? How many more lies will the GOP tell about it during that time period?
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:13:29pm |
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:13:31pm |
Didn't orange man Bohener say that they were the party of "Hell NO"?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:14:27pm |
re: #152 Obdicut
How is filibustering not pushing at people, then? That's what invoking cloture is-- it's breaking a filibuster, so that a vote can actually proceed on the bill.
I think that EastSider said it exactly right. We negotiated health insurance reform forever-- and the GOP started saying we had to start over.
The GOP has already lied about the effects of this bill publicly. If they want to negotiate, they should do so in good faith.
It's all pushing at people. It's part of the political process. That said, I hope McConnell is able to hold up the bill for some additional concessions.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:14:56pm |
re: #156 avanti
Conservatism and disliking change are often linked (note the often, don't hurt me ya' old farts!) with age.
The first part (conservatism) is pretty well played out in polls too.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:15:32pm |
re: #167 Dark_Falcon
It's all pushing at people. It's part of the political process. That said, I hope McConnell is able to hold up the bill for some additional concessions.
Are you okay with him lying blatantly about the bill in order to do that?
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:15:37pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:15:47pm |
re: #164 Obdicut
Why can't you say that they should stop lying? Are you denying that they've lied about it, or do you feel that it's not important for them to stop?
What is the arbitrary amount of time that's 'just right' for the bill to be 'negotiated'? How many more lies will the GOP tell about it during that time period?
oh, and the democrats are the party of virtue and honesty.
let me help you down to the fainting couch...
how about negotiating until it's clear that no further progress will be made? wouldn't that be a more logical place than your one month deadline? and if November looms and it seems like the process is going nowhere, then call BS and bring it to a vote.
not rocket science, this...
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:15:51pm |
On whom shall we blame this?
Car bomb explodes at N.Ireland police station: police
A car bomb exploded Thursday outside a police station in Newtownhamilton, Northern Ireland, police said.
"The Police Service of Northern Ireland has confirmed that a bomb exploded at Newtownhamilton police station in South Armagh," said police.
Local lawmaker Dominic Bradley, of the SDLP party, said firemen in the area were alerted to a suspicious vehicle after hearing gunshots at about 10:40 pm (2140 GMT).
"They immediately set about evacuating the area, involving shopkeepers and local people," he said, after which the bomb exploded.
It is just the latest attack in the British province.
Targeting of the courthouse in Newry, the MI5 intelligence headquarters outside Belfast and the policing board headquarters in Belfast have sent shudders through the security services on both sides of the Irish border.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:15:52pm |
re: #167 Dark_Falcon
It's all pushing at people. It's part of the political process. That said, I hope McConnell is able to hold up the bill for some additional concessions.
What do you think is wrong with the bill?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:18:03pm |
re: #169 Obdicut
Are you okay with him lying blatantly about the bill in order to do that?
What lies did he tell?
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:19:04pm |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
And you hang around with people like THAT!. Avanti, your little anecdote is just that... anecdotal... it no more proves your point than suggesting that any conservative without a cell phone is because that conservative doesn't like change.
I'm a conservative and I've been on the internet since it was... well... Arpanet... and Al Gore was no where to be seen.
Not all conservatives resist change, but by definition they do more than liberals. The fact that you were on the net early is the exception for your age. My wife works at a assisted living center with folks much older than us that are on the net, but that does not change the fact that it is used less by older folks overall.
In the Studebaker club, I find lots of older members that don't even own a computer and have no desire to.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:19:23pm |
re: #171 Aceofwhat?
Ace, it's not like you to dodge a question.
Why can't you say that they should stop lying? Are you denying that they've lied about it, or do you feel that it's not important for them to stop?
how about negotiating until it's clear that no further progress will be made? wouldn't that be a more logical place than your one month deadline?
Saying that I have a month deadline is false. I have said that it has been negotiated for a month, not that that's the deadline.
And in asking for a vote on it the Democrats are saying that no further progress will be made, because you can't make progress on the bill after the damn vote.
What you are saying equates to "Vote on it when the GOP says they're okay with voting on it", which is just silly.
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:20:50pm |
re: #137 The Shadow Do
You could easily hide just one nuclear powered generator out there and preserve the vista - and power up millions more homes. These windmills are relatively a fart in the wind in the face of the demand. But if you are a greenie you will admire their beauty and praise their sustainability.
Wind is a bad joke. This is from someone who's company earns millions as a vendor to the wind industry.
My business makes a few $ on siting studies. My neighbor writes software that optimizes the performance of wind farms and other power production installations. Don't get him started. He thinks they should be torn down.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:21:23pm |
re: #172 freetoken
On whom shall we blame this?
The RIRA seem like reasonable suspects. Has anyone claimed responsibility?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:22:11pm |
re: #176 Obdicut
Ace, it's not like you to dodge a question.
Why can't you say that they should stop lying? Are you denying that they've lied about it, or do you feel that it's not important for them to stop?
Saying that I have a month deadline is false. I have said that it has been negotiated for a month, not that that's the deadline.
And in asking for a vote on it the Democrats are saying that no further progress will be made, because you can't make progress on the bill after the damn vote.
What you are saying equates to "Vote on it when the GOP says they're okay with voting on it", which is just silly.
of course they should stop lying. both parties should stop lying about everything that they lie about. i'm not dodging, it's just not a good question.
it was reported as of 1-2 days ago, i can't remember, that progress was still being made.
ergo, it is not being brought to the floor due to lack of progress. it is a tactic, one that both sides use. no more, no less.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:22:37pm |
re: #175 avanti
Not all conservatives resist change, but by definition they do more than liberals. The fact that you were on the net early is the exception for your age. My wife works at a assisted living center with folks much older than us that are on the net, but that does not change the fact that it is used less by older folks overall.
In the Studebaker club, I find lots of older members that don't even own a computer and have no desire to.
I've met a lot of elderly folks like that. They are intimidated by new technology and don;t want to learn it. The key in tech sales is to teach them how the new tech makes things better and how easy it is to use. In some cases you can obtain great success by banishing that fear.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:22:46pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
What lies did he tell?
Dark_Falcon I tend to expect better from you.
[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]
[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]
[Link: www.prospect.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:23:10pm |
re: #179 Aceofwhat?
of course they should stop lying. both parties should stop lying about everything that they lie about. i'm not dodging, it's just not a good question.
it was reported as of 1-2 days ago, i can't remember, that progress was still being made.
ergo, it is not being brought to the floor due to lack of progress. it is a tactic, one that both sides use. no more, no less.
Quite Concur.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:23:21pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
What lies did he tell?
Seriously? THe bailout fund is not taxpayer funded, but comes from the companies themselves. He lied about that directly.
Not to mention this:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
Every member of the Senate Republican Caucus has signed a letter, delivered to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, expressing opposition to the Democrats' financial regulatory reform bill, which they all claim will lead to more Wall Street bailouts.
"We are united in our opposition to the partisan legislation reported by the Senate Banking Committee," the letter reads. "As currently constructed, this bill allows for endless taxpayer bailouts of Wall Street and establishes new and unlimited regulatory powers that will stifle small businesses and community banks."
...
But though the letter does not draw that particular bright line, it markedly stiffens the caucus' position. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell made waves Tuesday by blasting the Dems' proposal, claiming it would institutionalize taxpayer funded bailouts of Wall Street. The assertion was widely disputed by both Democrats and experts, and more than 24 hours later, several Republicans were unwilling to endorse McConnell's take. One of them, Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), even suggested GOP leadership should tone down its rhetoric and try to reach consensus with Democrats.
Now, it seems, they've all decided to endorse that line.
They all signed a letter with that lie in it.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:23:23pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
It just surprised me that this stuff had come back, but the news blurb indicates that it has.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:24:36pm |
re: #179 Aceofwhat?
You can't even say that they should stop lying about it without saying that both parties should. That's a disappointment.
If I say that Obama should stop lying about corn biodiesel being helpful for AGW, I don't need to qualify that at all.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:24:58pm |
re: #168 windsagio
Conservatism and disliking change are often linked (note the often, don't hurt me ya' old farts!) with age.
The first part (conservatism) is pretty well played out in polls too.
The Studebaker club could pass as a tea party crowd, mostly over 50, and if anything, whiter than tea partiers. I don't know that statistics, but I do know I've learned not to talk politics with most of them. I made the mistake of trying to support AGW one time when it was mentioned on a club forum and learned to keep quite.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:25:07pm |
re: #184 freetoken
It just surprised me that this stuff had come back, but the news blurb indicates that it has.
There've been some periodic flareups from time to time.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:25:24pm |
re: #184 freetoken
I've been wondering if the shit going down with the Catholic Church is helping to inflame it again, or if it's more political than that. If anyone's in the know, I'd love to get that knowledge.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:27:23pm |
re: #188 Obdicut
Well, if the bombs were aimed at MI5 then one would think that the "Catholics" would be the ones doing the bombing, no?
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:28:12pm |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
I've met a lot of elderly folks like that. They are intimidated by new technology and don;t want to learn it. The key in tech sales is to teach them how the new tech makes things better and how easy it is to use. In some cases you can obtain great success by banishing that fear.
I guess, I'll weaken my argument by saying it took me months to get the wife to use e-mail, but now she's on the computer every day. Let's just say she resisted that change, even while petting the Unicorn.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:28:21pm |
re: #185 Obdicut
You can't even say that they should stop lying about it without saying that both parties should. That's a disappointment.
If I say that Obama should stop lying about corn biodiesel being helpful for AGW, I don't need to qualify that at all.
ok. they should absolutely stop lying about it. it's terrible for their credibility...they should oppose it or endorse it based on the facts.
no question about that.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:28:34pm |
re: #189 freetoken
True. I guess there's no real way of knowing there's a connection between what's going on with the scandal and the terrorism other than a terrorist that did it claiming it as such.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:29:41pm |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
Thank you.
Do you see why the fact that they sent a letter, signed by every senator, containing a blatant lie, might disrupt 'negotiations' and cause the Democrats to say, "Fuck it, let's vote on it"?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:29:47pm |
re: #141 avanti
Basically conservatives are often uncomfortable with change. Even in the old car hobby, I noticed it. When the Internet started growing a few years back, a few of us tried to get the Studebaker Club to embrace it, but were fought at every turn.
It was so bad I recall asking to use the PA system at a Studebaker meet to make a announcement. When I got on the mike and asked for a meet up for pictures of our internet users a club member came running up screaming " No internet, no internet !"
It was not until two years ago that we got a Club website on the net and convinced them it was not the end of the world.
Conservatives and liberals are wired differently, but we need both change and resistance to too much change for it to work.
Wow, so it wasn't that they just didn't get the internet, they were actively hostile to it? Crazy.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:30:40pm |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
ok. they should absolutely stop lying about it. it's terrible for their credibility...they should oppose it or endorse it based on the facts.
no question about that.
Sadly to judge by the way the Health Care Reform debate went down it seems like certain representatives and senators break out in a bad rash whenever they try to handle raw unmedia filtered facts.... maybe we at LGF could raise a collection to send them some gloves to improve their truth handling capabilities....
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:32:29pm |
re: #188 Obdicut
I've been wondering if the shit going down with the Catholic Church is helping to inflame it again, or if it's more political than that. If anyone's in the know, I'd love to get that knowledge.
I'm doubtful that it will make much difference,
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:32:49pm |
re: #196 windsagio
pff you act surprised.
The bit with the guy going NO INTERNET! Like it was a witch. :D I'm used to older non-tech people just sorta grumping about the internet as a thing they don't get, but this seems like it's more along the lines of "the camera steals your soul" stuff :D
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:33:23pm |
re: #156 avanti
Not all, maybe 70-80 % would be my best guess. It's a older, almost all white crowd and most old car types seem to be right of center, especially that collect a fairly conservative car line.
What?! No Stanley Steamer low-riders?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:33:34pm |
re: #196 windsagio
pff you act surprised.
I am also guessing Volkswagen clubs skew more left than Studebaker clubs :D
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:33:48pm |
re: #194 WindUpBird
Wow, so it wasn't that they just didn't get the internet, they were actively hostile to it? Crazy.
Why do you think they'd pay so much (several million last time I checked) for a web site that when you click on "Future GOP leaders" you get "sorry this page is not available"?
Clearly these people know zilch about the internet.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:33:54pm |
re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist
I really had thought the Troubles were largely behind us.
Oooh, great movie for anyone who hasn't seen it-- incredibly painful, terrifying movie, but great:
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:34:42pm |
re: #190 avanti
Avanti, I'm so curious as to what happened with the questionable guy on the blog you frequent.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:35:52pm |
re: #190 avanti
I guess, I'll weaken my argument by saying it took me months to get the wife to use e-mail, but now she's on the computer every day. Let's just say she resisted that change, even while petting the Unicorn.
Avanti, you know you shouldn't have that unicorn in the house. Prolonged exposure to its farts can cause addiction.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:36:19pm |
re: #202 Obdicut
I really had thought the Troubles were largely behind us.
Oooh, great movie for anyone who hasn't seen it-- incredibly painful, terrifying movie, but great:
I think truly we have come a very long way, but there's still a few element in town that don't want to see their conflict die before they win. However they define winning.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:36:25pm |
re: #177 compound idaho
My business makes a few $ on siting studies. My neighbor writes software that optimizes the performance of wind farms and other power production installations. Don't get him started. He thinks they should be torn down.
I'm pretty sure that eventually they will be torn down. But that does not wash with the politics of today.
Waste.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:36:37pm |
The Dems were hosting a pot luck buffet, and the GOP brought shit sandwiches to the party.
This is how I feel about the shit they are trying to pull. This particular complete fabrication regarding the "bailout" process is the exact opposite of easily verifiable truth. It's not just over the line, but it kind of invalidates any semblance of good faith. The GOP wants to torpedo the bill, at all costs.
Why negotiate at all? Just vote.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:37:33pm |
re: #189 freetoken
Well, if the bombs were aimed at MI5 then one would think that the "Catholics" would be the ones doing the bombing, no?
I've not been following the Old Country recently, but it would depend on which side's ox has been gored by The Man recently.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:37:42pm |
God. I just don't even have the words for this...
Coal disaster company Massey Energy denied time off for miners to attend their friends’ funerals
Coal baron Don Blankenship’s Massey Energy has prevented miners from attending funerals of the 29 victims of the killer explosion at Massey’s Upper Big Branch mine in Montcoal, WV. Massey has taken steps to keep up the mining in the grief-stricken community. The “threat of job loss” from Massey’s non-union mines, “be it spoken or simply understood — has created a culture of fear in some corners of Southern West Virginia, where coal is the only real industry, and Massey is king of the hill”:
Massey Energy, the Virginia-based coal giant that runs the Upper Big Branch Mine, has denied time off for miners to attend their friends’ funerals; has rejected makeshift memorials outside the mine site; and, in at least one case, required a worker to go on shift even though the fate of a relative — one of the victims of the April 5 disaster — remained unknown at the time, according to some family members and other sources familiar with those episodes. In short, the company might be taking heat for putting profits and efficiency above its workers, but it doesn’t appear to have changed its tune in the wake of the worst mining tragedy in 40 years.
“They told my husband, ‘You’ve got a job to do and you’re gonna do it,’” the wife of one Massey miner told the Washington Independent’s Mike Lillis, referring to the funerals he’s missed this month for friends who died in the blast. “What else are we gonna do?”
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:38:25pm |
re: #207 Fozzie Bear
The Dems were hosting a pot luck buffet, and the GOP brought shit sandwiches to the party.
This is how I feel about the shit they are trying to pull. This particular complete fabrication regarding the "bailout" process is the exact opposite of easily verifiable truth. It's not just over the line, but it kind of invalidates any semblance of good faith. The GOP wants to torpedo the bill, at all costs.
Why negotiate at all? Just vote.
My question would be "Why?" Things were moving forwards and the bill is actually needed. Why kill it?
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:38:57pm |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:39:16pm |
re: #209 Lidane
God. I just don't even have the words for this...
Coal disaster company Massey Energy denied time off for miners to attend their friends’ funerals
I remember somebody at some web site I read bringing up the idea that people like this should be forced to have their offices located inside the mines they own.
Looking like a better idea all the time....
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:39:40pm |
re: #206 The Shadow Do
I'm pretty sure that eventually they will be torn down. But that does not wash with the politics of today.
Waste.
I do think they look cool, but I am struck by how much time they spend motionless. We have a couple hundred of them just east of my home.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:39:43pm |
re: #209 Lidane
Jesus christ. It's like they're trying to be cartoon villains.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:40:05pm |
re: #209 Lidane
God. I just don't even have the words for this...
Coal disaster company Massey Energy denied time off for miners to attend their friends’ funerals
But remember, they've provided jobs and a higher-than-average standard of living for West Virginians...
/////
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:40:27pm |
re: #209 Lidane
God. I just don't even have the words for this...
Coal disaster company Massey Energy denied time off for miners to attend their friends’ funerals
God, but that's a shitty thing to do.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:41:37pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
My question would be "Why?" Things were moving forwards and the bill is actually needed. Why kill it?
Because Republicans are the party of NO even to their own ideas if Obama suggests them.
I seriously think we could see something like this happen....
"Hey guys I've got a great idea for how we can allow people to carry handguns with them concealed wherever they go!"
"F*** YOU, YOU PINKO COMMIE YOUR NOTHING BUT A LOUSY TRAITOR UNLESS YOU ALLOW AMERICAN CITIZENS TO CARRY AK-47's WITH COLLAPSIBLE STOCKS TO WORK! AND HAVE UNDERSLUNG GERNADE LAUNCHERS!"
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:41:38pm |
re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist
And Blankenship wears red, white, and blue shirts to Tea Parties, so he must be a real Patriot, therefore all you whiners about coal mines are just more socialists!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:41:46pm |
re: #189 freetoken
Well, if the bombs were aimed at MI5 then one would think that the "Catholics" would be the ones doing the bombing, no?
Not necessarily.
Are there Amish in Ireland?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:41:53pm |
re: #193 Obdicut
Thank you.
Do you see why the fact that they sent a letter, signed by every senator, containing a blatant lie, might disrupt 'negotiations' and cause the Democrats to say, "Fuck it, let's vote on it"?
So now i read more, and of course, it's not that simple. That's what i get for taking everyone's word on it.
The concern is that a bailout fund will encourage banks to take more risk, rather than less, and thus induce future bailouts.
I think they're overstating it, as all politicians do.
But it's not a lie.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:42:22pm |
re: #218 Dark_Falcon
We're going to turn you into a bleeding heart liberal yet - beware!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:42:55pm |
re: #198 WindUpBird
The bit with the guy going NO INTERNET! Like it was a witch. :D I'm used to older non-tech people just sorta grumping about the internet as a thing they don't get, but this seems like it's more along the lines of "the camera steals your soul" stuff :D
Remember the crowd reaction to Dylan going electric at Newport?
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:43:01pm |
re: #212 jamesfirecat
I remember somebody at some web site I read bringing up the idea that people like this should be forced to have their offices located inside the mines they own.
Looking like a better idea all the time...
I might suggest waiting until there are facts in the reporting before going all goofy on the subject. It may or may not be true. Accusations are the heart of the story. If true, then this is the dumbest company on the planet.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:43:22pm |
re: #223 Aceofwhat?
It is a lie, Ace. It's a direct lie about the way the bailout fund functions. I'm sorry to see you roll that back.
I'm commuting now.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:44:46pm |
re: #198 WindUpBird
The bit with the guy going NO INTERNET! Like it was a witch. :D I'm used to older non-tech people just sorta grumping about the internet as a thing they don't get, but this seems like it's more along the lines of "the camera steals your soul" stuff :D
We almost have a war over it. The not on the net folks resent the fact that those on the net beat them to all the cars and parts. They hate that ebay has driven the market prices up, basically, they pine for the old days.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:12pm |
re: #226 The Shadow Do
I might suggest waiting until there are facts in the reporting before going all goofy on the subject. It may or may not be true. Accusations are the heart of the story. If true, then this is the dumbest company on the planet.
This is the same guy who called federal safety regulations as "silly as global warming" [Link: thinkprogress.org...]
The prosecution rests.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:27pm |
re: #225 ryannon
Remember the crowd reaction to Dylan going electric at Newport?
Folk meets Cowboy meets Greatful Dead:
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:34pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:36pm |
re: #224 freetoken
We're going to turn you into a bleeding heart liberal yet - beware!
I'm just being decent. You should be able to take some time off when several friends all die suddenly like that. A company that won't even give its employees that is being nasty.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:46:21pm |
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:46:27pm |
re: #214 compound idaho
I do think they look cool, but I am struck by how much time they spend motionless. We have a couple hundred of them just east of my home.
Not an eye sore?
You have a different perspective and that is ok. Just don't see it. Drilling rigs in Anwar bad? Windmills in the undeveloped lower 48 good?
I do think the engineering is pretty cool. But pointless.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:46:44pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
I'm just being decent. You should be able to take some time off when several friends all die suddenly like that. A company that won't even give its employees that is being nasty.
Don't forget the company's own lax safety standards were part of the reason that the accident happened and those people died.
So we're going from regular ever day villinay, to cartoony supervilliany....
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:47:30pm |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
Don't forget the company's own lax safety standards were part of the reason that the accident happened and those people died.
So we're going from regular ever day villinay, to cartoony supervilliany...
Indeed, Mr. Smithers.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:47:44pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
Dick Cheney joins the Mad Matter's Tea Party in Florida, remembers what the dormouse said
FEED YOUR HEAD!
I'm meeting you halfway you stupid hippies!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:48:01pm |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
Don't forget the company's own lax safety standards were part of the reason that the accident happened and those people died.
So we're going from regular ever day villinay, to cartoony supervilliany...
It appears from this article that the source of the original story was the World Socialist Web Site...
"Coverage in the World Socialist Web Site of the April 5 disaster at Massey Energy’s Upper Big Branch mine in Montcoal, West Virginia, which killed 29 miners, has aroused considerable interest and even controversy.
On April 12, in an article on the first funerals held for the dead workers, the WSWS explained that miners told our reporters that Massey Energy had refused to allow miners at the company time off to attend the funerals of their co-workers."
[Link: peaceandfreedom.org...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:48:49pm |
re: #229 avanti
We almost have a war over it. The not on the net folks resent the fact that those on the net beat them to all the cars and parts. They hate that ebay has driven the market prices up, basically, they pine for the old days.
I remember hearing that a while ago, that the parts market has both been revolutionized by the internet, and it's also frustrated a lot of people who have seen their existing networks of people dry up.
I figure the answer would be to learn to use the net instead of just grumping about it, but that's just me :D
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:49:35pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
Speaking of the Tea Party:
Gingrich: Tea Parties are ‘likely to end up as the militant wing of the Republican Party’
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:49:48pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
Dick Cheney joins the Mad Matter's Tea Party in Florida, remembers what the dormouse said
How is that mad? All that happened was Cheney jumped on the leading candidate's bandwagon.
/Feed your Head!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:50:10pm |
re: #230 jamesfirecat
This is the same guy who called federal safety regulations as "silly as global warming" [Link: thinkprogress.org...]
The prosecution rests.
May just be the dumbest...still, I will wait for a few days. Real info comes slowley as a rule.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:50:31pm |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
Don't forget the company's own lax safety standards were part of the reason that the accident happened and those people died.
So we're going from regular ever day villinay, to cartoony supervilliany...
My conspiracy theory is that it's more than just a dick move, it's strategy on the part of the company, they're motivated to keep those guys from showing up at the funerals, to separate the workers and keep them from having some sort of political flashpoint at a funeral, where emotions run high and calls to action would be more likely.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:51:08pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
It is a lie, Ace. It's a direct lie about the way the bailout fund functions. I'm sorry to see you roll that back.
I'm commuting now.
you are misunderstanding me. they are not saying the initial bailout fund doesn't come from the banks. they are saying it will invite bad acting that will dwarf the fund.
i disagree. but it is not a lie...simply overblown.
a better letter would have been something more erudite...there are interesting econ articles out there about whether or not the bailout fund will serve to allow the participants access to credit at lower rates because of the explicit guarantee of payback in case of their failure...and is that a fair thing for smaller institutions.
cute how the democrats are actually sticking up for big Wall Street with this move!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:51:46pm |
re: #231 Decatur Deb
Folk meets Cowboy meets Greatful Dead:
[Video]
1970. Dylan had already opened the way with "Nashville Skyline".
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:52:33pm |
re: #209 Lidane
That is an example of evil in today's world. That is wicked. I hope every one of their stockholders sees this. Anything else I think would get deleted.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:52:34pm |
Something new for people to worry about, a new killer strain of fungus that is spreading in the Pacific Northwest. They say it will probably be spreading into California soon, my advice is to just not breathe when you are near any trees.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:52:42pm |
re: #241 Lidane
Speaking of the Tea Party:
Gingrich: Tea Parties are ‘likely to end up as the militant wing of the Republican Party’
The shock troops of the RNC?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:52:49pm |
re: #214 compound idaho
I do think they look cool, but I am struck by how much time they spend motionless. We have a couple hundred of them just east of my home.
good thing you don't depend solely on them...otherwise, hop on the treadmill and keep that refrigerator running!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:52:52pm |
re: #246 ryannon
And I haven't bought an album of his since.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:53:24pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
How is that mad? All that happened was Cheney jumped on the leading candidate's bandwagon.
/Feed your Head!
it's the tea party that's mad, not Cheney, but he's endorsing a fringe TP candidate at the expense of a guy who could probably be elected president someday. Bums me out, to see the GOP establishment sucking up to the wacko fringe. I guess this stuff has to run its course.
A Cheney endorsement is actually probably going to HELP Crist if he runs an independent, it'll bring in Democratic voters. Politics!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:53:33pm |
re: #245 Aceofwhat?
you are misunderstanding me. they are not saying the initial bailout fund doesn't come from the banks. they are saying it will invite bad acting that will dwarf the fund.
i disagree. but it is not a lie...simply overblown.
a better letter would have been something more erudite...there are interesting econ articles out there about whether or not the bailout fund will serve to allow the participants access to credit at lower rates because of the explicit guarantee of payback in case of their failure...and is that a fair thing for smaller institutions.
cute how the democrats are actually sticking up for big Wall Street with this move!
Yes the Democrats are sticking up for big Wall Street when they try to pass a bill regulating it....
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:53:47pm |
re: #235 The Shadow Do
Not an eye sore?
You have a different perspective and that is ok. Just don't see it. Drilling rigs in Anwar bad? Windmills in the undeveloped lower 48 good?
I do think the engineering is pretty cool. But pointless.
I do not have much of a problem with drill rigs either, just not when they are on fire. The mining and petroleum industries are dirty dangerous businesses, and so is farming for that matter, but we have to eat too.
If you can't grow it, you have to mine it.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:54:10pm |
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swamprat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:54:35pm |
I may regret asking this, but how are companies that qualify for bailout going to bail themselves out? If the funds don't come from American taxes, are we going to give them low, or no interest, loans?
Do they get to not pay taxes until the loan is paid off?
Actually this sounds do-able.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:55:15pm |
re: #247 Floral Giraffe
That is an example of evil in today's world. That is wicked. I hope every one of their stockholders sees this. Anything else I think would get deleted.
agree completely. i'd sell this stock right now out of pure morality if i owned it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:55:33pm |
re: #256 swamprat
I may regret asking this, but how are companies that qualify for bailout going to bail themselves out? If the funds don't come from American taxes, are we going to give them low, or no interest, loans?
Do they get to not pay taxes until the loan is paid off?Actually this sounds do-able.
They are to contribute to an "insurance" fund, IIRC.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:55:43pm |
re: #252 WindUpBird
it's the tea party that's mad, not Cheney, but he's endorsing a fringe TP candidate at the expense of a guy who could probably be elected president someday. Bums me out, to see the GOP establishment sucking up to the wacko fringe. I guess this stuff has to run its course.
A Cheney endorsement is actually probably going to HELP Crist if he runs an independent, it'll bring in Democratic voters. Politics!
i couldn't agree more!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:56:34pm |
re: #253 jamesfirecat
Yes the Democrats are sticking up for big Wall Street when they try to pass a bill regulating it...
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you haven't read any really wonky articles on the nitty gritty of the subject...
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:56:57pm |
re: #247 Floral Giraffe
Anything else I think would get deleted.
I feel the same way. It's more or less why I just posted that link. I have plenty of words about both Blankenship and Massey. They'd just happen to get me banned if I used them, and I like it here.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:57:07pm |
re: #250 Aceofwhat?
good thing you don't depend solely on them...otherwise, hop on the treadmill and keep that refrigerator running!
You've got an idea there. Can anyone here calculate the hypothetical conversion of a pound of fat lost on a treadmill into Kwhs of electrical energy?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:57:44pm |
My only objection to modern windmills is they're so fucking hard to tilt at.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:57:56pm |
re: #261 Lidane
I feel the same way. It's more or less why I just posted that link. I have plenty of words about both Blankenship and Massey. They'd just happen to get me banned if I used them, and I like it here.
It would have to be pretty hardcore to get you banned, I think. Now i'm curious...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:58:13pm |
re: #261 Lidane
I feel the same way. It's more or less why I just posted that link. I have plenty of words about both Blankenship and Massey. They'd just happen to get me banned if I used them, and I like it here.
I'm just hoping their almost limitless evil brings about real reform in the safety of the mining industry.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:58:28pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
My only objection to modern windmills is they're so fucking hard to tilt at.
Dude, just hack at the base.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:58:49pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
Just... awesome. A thousand dings to you sir.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:59:00pm |
re: #258 Decatur Deb
I saw what happened to malpractice insurance.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:59:05pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:59:05pm |
re: #262 ryannon
You've got an idea there. Can anyone here calculate the hypothetical conversion of a pound of fat lost on a treadmill into Kwhs of electrical energy?
As a child at Buhl Planetarium I tried to keep a 40 watt bulb going by pedaling a bike. Don't bother.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:59:53pm |
re: #254 compound idaho
I do not have much of a problem with drill rigs either, just not when they are on fire. The mining and petroleum industries are dirty dangerous businesses, and so is farming for that matter, but we have to eat too.
If you can't grow it, you have to mine it.
Actually, energy production is unbelievably clean these days. This is a positive of the environmentalist push. All the stigma remains, unfortunately.
You have no idea how regulated the activities of mining and petrochem firms are. Ok, that is presumptuous of me, maybe you do.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:00:06pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
I don't understand the NIMBY aspect of windmills. I think they're cool looking.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:00:44pm |
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:01:09pm |
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:01:29pm |
re: #273 fat bastard vegetarian
I don't understand the NIMBY aspect of windmills. I think they're cool looking.
Not
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:01:35pm |
re: #209 Lidane
mine owner = scum.
and some people [snip] wonder why some other people are down on corporations at times...........
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:03:11pm |
The Storm Comes at Nightfall
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swamprat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:03:27pm |
re: #257 Aceofwhat?
agree completely. i'd sell this stock right now out of pure morality if i owned it.
Yeah, it's heartless, but they may be fighting to stay in business.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:05:33pm |
re: #281 swamprat
Yeah, it's heartless, but they may be fighting to stay in business.
The guy also doesn't allow unions. He says that he'd shut down the mine rather than let it operate with a union.
My being a fan of the 1632 series has giving me nothing but respect for the UMWA. (Umwa? Sounds Polish....)
Conclusion...
mine owner = scum.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:05:55pm |
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:05:57pm |
re: #281 swamprat
I really hope you're not posting that as a potential justification >>
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:06:39pm |
re: #281 swamprat
Yeah, it's heartless, but they may be fighting to stay in business.
they're too big for those missed hours to be the straw on their back. and even if i'm wrong...some things you just don't do.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:06:53pm |
re: #251 Decatur Deb
And I haven't bought an album of his since.
Me neither. Just tracks like these. Fittingly, this one's on ruTube!
(Scanned: Commie virus-free)
[Link: rutube.ru...]
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:06:54pm |
re: #281 swamprat
Yeah, it's heartless, but they may be fighting to stay in business.
Company profit of 104.4 million in 2009. Blankenship was paid 17.8 million, with about twice thiat in a deferred package.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:07:10pm |
Since I've been expanding my edible garden space I decided to invest in a new automatic watering system. I bought a Melnor 3015 6-Cycle Electronic AquaTimer and it works great! runs off a 9-volt battery, it's easy to program and very versatile. Quite affordable too.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:07:15pm |
re: #281 swamprat
Yeah, it's heartless, but they may be fighting to stay in business.
If they can't allow there people to go to a funeral, they should not be in business, they have relinquished what little humanity they have left
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:07:20pm |
re: #286 Aceofwhat?
they're too big for those missed hours to be the straw on their back. and even if i'm wrong...some things you just don't do.
They're doing it for the good of the workers./
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:07:41pm |
re: #288 Decatur Deb
Company profit of 104.4 million in 2009. Blankenship was paid 17.8 million, with about twice thiat in a deferred package.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
won't somebody think of the monstrous scumbags
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:08:05pm |
re: #291 Stanley Sea
Now now leaving companies free to do as they must is the cornerstone of not only our economy, but of Democracy itself!!!
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:08:09pm |
Cool picture. Looks like the San Gorgonio Pass along I-10 in Cabazon headed towards Palm Springs.
Two weeks ago I went back to California for the first time in ten years for a funeral. My home town of Yucaipa is about 20 minutes from the pass.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:08:35pm |
re: #273 fat bastard vegetarian
I don't understand the NIMBY aspect of windmills. I think they're cool looking.
NIMBYs aren't fueled by reason, but by perceived "property values".
NIMBYism is very strong in this country. A lady here in Baltimore last year sought a zoning variance to build a high-tech, low-noise, state-of-the-art little personal house-windmill on top of her (paid-off, wholly-owned) traditional Baltimore row house. Neighbors were upset. Neighbors half of whom have gotten similar variances to build rooftop decks where they have loud-ass parties all weekend long.
She was turned down by the city zoning board.
When I was living in Western Massachusetts last winter, there was a big deal going on about a guy who wanted to build a carbon-neutral biomass plant in Greenfield. He ended up with his face, name, place of residence, and phone number plastered all over town by "Greens" who charged him with crimes against the environment and asked for his capture, dead or alive.
NIMBYs will keep any new nuclear plants from ever being built.
Can you tell how much I love NIMBYs?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:08:49pm |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, the amazon reviews are not good. Ugh.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:09:00pm |
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:09:13pm |
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:09:41pm |
re: #299 windsagio
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
me neither
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:09:59pm |
re: #292 WindUpBird
won't somebody think of the monstrous scumbags
On the other hand, Blankenship is generous. He put about a million into the Tea Parties. Will find link.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:10:16pm |
re: #299 windsagio
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
We hear at Fox would like to argue that the best state is no regulation because regulation would mean that the government can be a force for good in the united states, and that would get in the way of the preconceived narrative we're trying to sell to you, the viewers at home!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:11:06pm |
re: #296 Cato the Elder
NIMBY's mean well. I guess that is enough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:11:10pm |
re: #299 windsagio
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
You have to be not just regulation-averse but actively insane, or malevolent, one, to oppose regulation, and lots of it, in coal mining.
Now, I'm not going to say that there are not people that mad, evil, arrogant, or basically ignorant of coal mining out there, but they're rarer than people with a general inclination toward deregulating stuff.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:11:31pm |
re: #296 Cato the Elder
can't upding that enough.
Killgore's post #2 made me chuckle...it's more likely that the windmills were built despite the godless socialists than because of them...heh
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:11:45pm |
re: #301 Decatur Deb
Random awesome Blankenship quote:
I’ve been around West Virginia long enough to know that politicians don’t stay bought, particularly ones that are going to be in office for 12 years...So I would never go out and spend money to try to gain favor with a politician. Eliminating a bad politician makes sense. Electing somebody hoping he’s going to be in your favor doesn’t make any sense at all.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:11:52pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:11:59pm |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Updinged for the giggle.
We're on water restriction, bought 5 trash cans last month to capture the rain.
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bosforus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:16pm |
Arggh!
Why did Google think it needed to show a brief summary of the top link of my iGoogle modules? I thought that's what the + button is for so I can decide the summaries I want to read. Anyone know how to change it back to normal?
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:20pm |
re: #299 windsagio
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
I'm pretty hard core anti union in most cases, but this is exactly how and why unions came to be, and where they are really needed. I wonder if they will step in?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:26pm |
re: #301 Decatur Deb
On the other hand, Blankenship is generous. He put about a million into the Tea Parties. Will find link.
Ya don't say :D
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:26pm |
re: #301 Decatur Deb
On the other hand, Blankenship is generous. He put about a million into the Tea Parties. Will find link.
Link: [Link: crooksandliars.com...]
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:26pm |
re: #299 windsagio
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
No one except companies like Massey. After all, no one's forcing these people to work in the mines.
/yuck.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:56pm |
re: #310 Thanos
Well, as referenced above, he's said he'd close mines first. Probably a bluff tho' >
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:59pm |
We have those windspinnys in Northern California as well. I think they're actually rather attractive, and give a sort of high-tech look to open land. The only thing that really concerns me about them is the bird thing. I don't know what happens about the bird thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:13:52pm |
re: #308 Stanley Sea
Updinged for the giggle.
We're on water restriction, bought 5 trash cans last month to capture the rain.
Where are you?
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:14:40pm |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know what happens about the bird thing.
It's like the bumper sticker says *splat happens*..........
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:14:43pm |
re: #299 windsagio
Seriously, I don't see how people can say that the best state is no regulation, given any part of this Massey story.
Try reading the Reuters story today on how Wellpoint used a computer algorithm to target any woman who submitted a claim for breast cancer treatment and then rescinds their policies. Several states are having to sue companies who dump their patients at the first real medical bill.
With "state" run insurance, I only have to worry about incompetent bureaucrats. The insurance company bureaucrats are frighteningly competent at making sure you die before they have to pay for your care.
Damn.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:14:45pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:14:52pm |
re: #315 windsagio
Well, as referenced above, he's said he'd close mines first. Probably a bluff tho' >
No one gives up seventeen million bucks a year because he doesn't like unions.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:08pm |
re: #315 windsagio
Well, as referenced above, he's said he'd close mines first. Probably a bluff tho' >
he's a sunsabitch, probably funds Heartland ... demand for coal up, jobs hard to get -- he probably figures he can get away with it.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:22pm |
re: #312 Decatur Deb
Link: [Link: crooksandliars.com...]
Ugh.
In this speech above, he denies climate change, derisively refers to Speaker Pelosi, Senator Reid, and others as "greeniacs", and calls them all crazy. Watch the speech, you'll see. In his mind, "the greeniacs are taking over the world."
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:30pm |
re: #320 celticdragon
I'd rather stab myself in the dick, thanks.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:49pm |
re: #319 wozzablog
It's like the bumper sticker says *splat happens*...
Yeah...I kind of like the birds.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:06pm |
re: #310 Thanos
I'm pretty hard core anti union in most cases, but this is exactly how and why unions came to be, and where they are really needed. I wonder if they will step in?
Must Concur. When owners get this abusive, unions are needed.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:15pm |
re: #321 The Shadow Do
Have you ever been out to one of those high desert windmill farms?
The pic above is great, but it simply doesn't do the real thing justice.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:53pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
You know how it is. Places that need unions don't have them, and places that have them no longer need them. Then let it swap occasionally.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:53pm |
re: #321 The Shadow Do
Windmills are cool looking? How so?
1. They're huge!
2. They're white!
3. They go WHOOSH!
4. ???
5. PROFIT!
Lot's of coal burning in my part of the world... Windmills are prettier than a coal firing plant.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:07pm |
re: #321 The Shadow Do
Windmills are cool looking? How so?
I think this is purely a matter of taste, but I think they look kind of nice. I mean, would the plain open land look nicer without them? Yes, sure, but I think they look better than one of those cookie-cutter housing developments that were being built all over hell-and-gone a few years ago.
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:09pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
Must Concur. When owners get this abusive, unions are needed.
I agree. I have not been a fan of unions, but I have observed that the companies who generally get them...also deserve them.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:49pm |
re: #320 celticdragon
Try reading the Reuters story today on how Wellpoint used a computer algorithm to target any woman who submitted a claim for breast cancer treatment and then rescinds their policies. Several states are having to sue companies who dump their patients at the first real medical bill.
With "state" run insurance, I only have to worry about incompetent bureaucrats. The insurance company bureaucrats are frighteningly competent at making sure you die before they have to pay for your care.
Damn.
If they really did that, then they are the turds of turds. And that's an insult to turds.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:53pm |
I learned something today. I must first have a two year degree in the allied health field BEFORE I can even think of applying to the Diagnostic Medical Sonographer program at Foothill College.
Blast it!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:57pm |
re: #314 windsagio
What'll you use that for? >
Fruit trees. Didn't do well last fall. I also have 3 20' planters that I planted veggies in for the first time. Hate to even mention it, cause my thumb is not very green.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:00pm |
re: #308 Stanley Sea
Heh. We'll see if it lasts through the summer.
I've been looking at large above ground cisterns. They are surprisingly affordable and really don't take up that much space.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:04pm |
re: #320 celticdragon
Try reading the Reuters story today on how Wellpoint used a computer algorithm to target any woman who submitted a claim for breast cancer treatment and then rescinds their policies. Several states are having to sue companies who dump their patients at the first real medical bill.
With "state" run insurance, I only have to worry about incompetent bureaucrats. The insurance company bureaucrats are frighteningly competent at making sure you die before they have to pay for your care.
Damn.
"We are trying to help people here aren't we?"
"Company policy requires me to say Yes...."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:22pm |
re: #332 celticdragon
I agree. I have not been a fan of unions, but I have observed that the companies who generally get them...also deserve them.
Quite Concur.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:26pm |
re: #320 celticdragon
Try reading the Reuters story today on how Wellpoint used a computer algorithm to target any woman who submitted a claim for breast cancer treatment and then rescinds their policies. Several states are having to sue companies who dump their patients at the first real medical bill.
With "state" run insurance, I only have to worry about incompetent bureaucrats. The insurance company bureaucrats are frighteningly competent at making sure you die before they have to pay for your care.
Damn.
Exactly.
Governments don't want to kill people, recovered healthy people work and pay taxes back to the government.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:51pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
"Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus, people bought 'em"
The Last Resort
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:19:01pm |
By the way, for you Californians and Coloradans, We''l be damned before you get any of our precious water, so there!
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:19:44pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
If they really did that, then they are the turds of turds. And that's an insult to turds.
If you can stomach it, read the coverage of it. It's truly, deeply evil. Scares the shit out of me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:02pm |
re: #339 wozzablog
Exactly.
Governments don't want to kill people, recovered healthy people work and pay taxes back to the government.
"Illegitimacy? They've never heard of it. A baby is a baby, and the Corporation won't let one want, because that baby will grow up, and become an employee, and Venus has a chronic labor shortage."
The quotes that stay with you. And pop up for no apparent reason.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:06pm |
re: #328 windsagio
Have you ever been out to one of those high desert windmill farms?
The pic above is great, but it simply doesn't do the real thing justice.
Of course I have. Why do you find this attractive? In Anwar it would be a travesty. I don't get it. There is very little to recomend wind farms aside from the political aspect of the equation. I'm pretty sure you don't agree however.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:12pm |
re: #336 Killgore Trout
I've been looking at large above ground cisterns.
They're prettier than large above ground Brethren.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:20pm |
re: #342 windsagio
By the way, for you Californians and Coloradans, We''l be damned before you get any of our precious water, so there!
We here in Chicagoland have Lake Michigan, so nya nya na nya nya! :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:25pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:36pm |
re: #283 WindUpBird
They're not evil!
The people that run them are 8-)
I don't think you can separate the company from the upper administration. Companies tend to take on the personality of the man/woman in charge.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:59pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:21:17pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
If they really did that, then they are the turds of turds. And that's an insult to turds.
Another company (or was it Wellpoint?) got busted for the exact same thing - algorithms. For HIV. Lost a lawsuit. This was a couple of months ago.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:21:38pm |
re: #349 b_sharp
Sigh.. Companies are inanimate objects.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:21:44pm |
re: #347 Dark_Falcon
Heh, kinda a regional joke. They've been wanting to steal the Columbia River for literally decades ;)
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:21:46pm |
re: #325 windsagio
I'd rather stab myself in the dick, thanks.
To each their own, but if it comes down to an actuarial table that says it is cheaper to let your kid or wife die and settle your lawsuit rather then pay for the treatment, odds are that the insurance company will let them die.
We all know that. It happens every day, and there are thousands of stories out there that will break your heart.
And that is why I no longer believe it is in our public interest to have a profit based health system where the incentive is to take your money and then let cancer eat you alive instead of actually promoting health...
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:06pm |
re: #352 fat bastard vegetarian
Well according to the Supreme Court, they're people ;)
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:44pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:23:00pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:23:09pm |
re: #342 windsagio
By the way, for you Californians and Coloradans, We''l be damned before you get any of our precious water, so there!
NoCal is already shipping most of ours to LoCal.
You'd kind of think someone might have noticed the desert before building a very large city in LA, but...well.
Once in a while, Californians vote on whether to think about splitting the state up in two.
San Franciscans uniformly vote to keep California in one piece, and just as consistently vote that if we do split, San Francisco is going with the north, no matter what those Jeffersonian, redwood-hugging folks up by the border think.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:23:11pm |
re: #303 The Shadow Do
NIMBY's mean well. I guess that is enough.
They mean well by themselves. That ain't enough.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:23:12pm |
re: #354 celticdragon
Oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree with everything you're saying.
But to paraphrase a quote I love some, "The evil of that is so dark, it smudges my soul".
Sounds like an agonizing read >>
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:23:41pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
Must Concur. When owners get this abusive, unions are needed.
If Hollywood put a character like this in a movie the critics would call it an over the top caricaturization of an evil company owner. Sheesh.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:23:54pm |
re: #277 wozzablog
(Peggy SeegerEwan MacColl)
In the town of Spring Hill, Nova Scotia,
Down in the heart of the Cumberland Mine,
There's blood on the coal and miners lie
In the roads that never saw sun or sky
Roads that never saw sun or sky.
Down at the coal face the miner's workin'
Rattle of the belt and the cutter's blade
Crumble of rock and the walls close round
Living and the dead men two miles down
Living and the dead men two miles down
Twelve men lay two miles from the pitshaft
Listen for the drillin' of a rescue team
Six hundred feet of coal and slag
Hope imprisoned in a three-foot seam
Hope imprisoned in a three-foot seam
Eight days passed and some were rescued
Leaving the dead to lie alone
All their lives they dug their graves
Two miles of earth for a markin' stone
Two miles of earth for a markin' stone
In the town of Spring Hill you don't sleep easy
Often the Earth will tremble and groan
When the Earth is restless, miners die
Bone and blood is the price of coal
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:05pm |
re: #359 Cato the Elder
They're more of the 'DAMN THE SOCIAL CONTRACT, I'VE GOT MINE!' crowd.
Fuck those guys.
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:26pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:35pm |
re: #357 Decatur Deb
So is Soylent Green.
Which leads us to the ever-interesting question of whether Soylent Green has First Amendment rights.
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:47pm |
re: #325 windsagio
I'd rather stab myself in the dick, thanks.
Please, don't say that. It makes me cringe, and the little guys disappears.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:25:02pm |
re: #248 ausador
As my dearly departed Dad would have said
"There's a fungus among us"!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:25:08pm |
I think it is clear that the left is on board with wind generation. Fine with me. Keeps the big bucks coming in to my company aka job security.
I will roll with stupid because stupid make a lot of sense when the economy threatens your job.
More windmills! Everywhere! All the time! Spin baby, spin! (drill baby drill is so passe).
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:25:41pm |
re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist
I personally want Cali to break up. Then, N.Cal, OR, WA, and BC can all secede and form their own nation!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:26:21pm |
re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist
Which leads us to the ever-interesting question of whether Soylent Green has First Amendment rights.
It can peacefully assemble.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:26:52pm |
re: #369 The Shadow Do
I think it is clear that the left is on board with wind generation.
On what do you base this? My experience has been that the farther left you go, the more people get all twitchy about the environmental impact. I mean, they may like it theory, but...
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:27:11pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:27:26pm |
re: #370 windsagio
I personally want Cali to break up. Then, N.Cal, OR, WA, and BC can all secede and form their own nation!
Oh, you're one of the Jeffersonian redwood-huggers, huh?
//Hell, I'm on board.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:27:41pm |
re: #370 windsagio
I personally want Cali to break up. Then, N.Cal, OR, WA, and BC can all secede and form their own nation!
Now you sound like Rick Perry. In the srange bedfellows department: Discovery Institute likes the Cascadia movement.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:14pm |
re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist
Screw Redwoods. Cedar and Madrona all the way!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:28pm |
re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, you're one of the Jeffersonian redwood-huggers, huh?
//Hell, I'm on board.
I've always wanted to live in the Pacific NW.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:43pm |
re: #376 Thanos
Now you sound like Rick Perry. In the srange bedfellows department: Discovery Institute likes the Cascadia movement.
Do they like it, or just imagine that breaking up California will diminish the EEEVIL power of Hollywood?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:50pm |
re: #361 Thanos
If Hollywood put a character like this in a movie the critics would call it an over the top caricaturization of an evil company owner. Sheesh.
Reminds my of a tagline for the movie Zulu!, that the movie could not have been made were it not a fairly close telling of a true story. If it had been fiction it would not have been believable. This guy is the same way.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:55pm |
re: #378 Stanley Sea
Dude, if I read you right you'd feakin' LOVE PDX. Super cheap to live here too.
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:29:43pm |
Miner's Lullaby lyrics.
I first heard this song performed by the great Texas Celtic band Clandestine.
There wasn't a dry eye in the audience when they finished. I was openly crying.
MINER'S LULLABY
(Bruce 'Utah' Phillips)
Once, long ago, he was handsome and tall
And fit to be called to the war
We left our village, family and all
To never return any more
Now he takes his coat, his bucket and lamp
And whistles away to the cage
Where men young and old from all over the camp
Gather in search of a wage
Chorus:
Husband, sleep, lay your head back and dream
A slow fallen leaf borne down to the stream
Then carried away on the wings of morphine
Homeward far over the sea
My husband and I are Roman in faith
And we have a secret to keep
If ever his life is taken away
Then gentle and long will he sleep
Now some men pass with family around
And linens and blankets so clean
But seldom a miner goes underground
Without his tin of morphine
Chorus
And now here's a word, an explosion is heard
The miners are trapped far below
If any survived down there alive
I'm certain we never will know
Although our families have vainly appealed
No rescue attempt can be seen
Our hope for loved ones in the dark earth sealed
Now lies in a tin of morphine
Chorus
Words and music by Bruce 'Utah' Phillips. On Strike Music BMI.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:29:49pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
My only objection to modern windmills is they're so fucking hard to tilt at.
If ANYONE can do it, it's you, Cato!
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:29:56pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
Do they like it, or just imagine that breaking up California will diminish the EEEVIL power of Hollywood?
That's part of it. I think they got behind it because of Gates money and light rail politics however. They were mercs for Bill's cause a while.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:30:03pm |
Hi guys! I'm back from the wilds of Canada, no Interwebs for 30 hours!
My grandson is Teh Cute and his name is Israel. I don't have a new picture for my avatar yet. My photography is teh suck, and little Israel was not very cooperative, you wouldn't be either if somebody made a boo-boo on your little boy parts.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:30:26pm |
re: #354 celticdragon
And that is why I no longer believe it is in our public interest to have a profit based health system where the incentive is to take your money and then let cancer eat you alive instead of actually promoting health...
This is the thing. This is why public health care in the big picture is much more like roads and electricity than it is like a service or good that a company can market. In the end, as far as a for-profit health insurance firm is concerned, it is not in the best interests of the company to actually pay for your health care. That doesn't make profits, which are the natural goal of a for-profit company, and that is as it should be - there is nothing amoral about that.
But it's a fundamentally silly model for the service that a company provides to be diametrically opposed to the interests of the company. It's not good for a company, and it's certainly not good for the customer.
Private health insurance has a role. In the end, I suppose that even for-profit health insurance has a role. But it's a relatively small one, that supplements public health as a whole.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:30:36pm |
re: #273 fat bastard vegetarian
I don't understand the NIMBY aspect of windmills. I think they're cool looking.
Apparently they make a lot of noise. Constantly.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:30:54pm |
re: #367 b_sharp
Please, don't say that. It makes me cringe, and the little guys disappears.
like a frightened turtle!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:31:00pm |
re: #361 Thanos
If Hollywood put a character like this in a movie the critics would call it an over the top caricaturization of an evil company owner. Sheesh.
You know I liked the Movie Good Night and Good Luck, but the villain came off as a bit over the top if you ask me....
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:31:12pm |
re: #381 windsagio
Dude, if I read you right you'd feakin' LOVE PDX. Super cheap to live here too.
You read me right. It is in my future, I really believe it. I was laughing today at all the times I agree with you. You are my anti-sibling.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:31:58pm |
re: #392 Stanley Sea
Yeah, and Walter's our crazy creepy uncle :D
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:31:58pm |
Someone just set off two professional-sounding barrages of fireworks about three blocks from my house in Baltimore.
Note: Fireworks are illegal in Maryland. The second barrage is still going on.
So much for making shit illegal.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:01pm |
re: #382 celticdragon
Both of my grandfathers were coal miners.
My father has some chits for the company store.
My father never once went into a mine. I think I would not have been born, because my grandfather would've killed him.
I am second generation out of those black holes.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:23pm |
re: #325 windsagio
I'd rather stab myself in the dick, thanks.
If my 8-day-old grandson could talk, he'd tell you what that feels like.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:34pm |
re: #385 Alouette
I want that half inch back, thank you very much...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:36pm |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
On what do you base this? My experience has been that the farther left you go, the more people get all twitchy about the environmental impact. I mean, they may like it theory, but...
i agree. that's why i didn't get KT's bit about socialism upthread...
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:44pm |
re: #396 Alouette
I'm assured that infants can't feel that that much >>
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:03pm |
re: #394 Cato the Elder
Someone just set off two professional-sounding barrages of fireworks about three blocks from my house in Baltimore.
Note: Fireworks are illegal in Maryland. The second barrage is still going on.
So much for making shit illegal.
Our country needs to declare a war on fireworks!
But how will we celebrate when we win?
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:12pm |
re: #380 Dark_Falcon
Reminds my of a tagline for the movie Zulu!, that the movie could not have been made were it not a fairly close telling of a true story. If it had been fiction it would not have been believable. This guy is the same way.
Zulu is one of my all time favorite war movies!
At one hundred yards...Volley fire! Present! Fire!
I actually managed to buy an 1880 dated manufacture Martini-Henry rifle just like you see in the movie for my dad. Complete with bayonet.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:13pm |
re: #386 Renaissance_Man
But it's a fundamentally silly model for the service that a company provides to be diametrically opposed to the interests of the company. It's not good for a company, and it's certainly not good for the customer.Private health insurance has a role. In the end, I suppose that even for-profit health insurance has a role. But it's a relatively small one, that supplements public health as a whole.
Thats how it works in the UK.
NHS provides baseline, essential and life saving treatments - for electives/private rooms/smaller wards you can go private through insurance plans or per operation
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:21pm |
re: #394 Cato the Elder
Someone just set off two professional-sounding barrages of fireworks about three blocks from my house in Baltimore.
Note: Fireworks are illegal in Maryland. The second barrage is still going on.
So much for making shit illegal.
Third barrage just started.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:32pm |
re: #385 Alouette
Hi guys! I'm back from the wilds of Canada, no Interwebs for 30 hours!
My grandson is Teh Cute and his name is Israel. I don't have a new picture for my avatar yet. My photography is teh suck, and little Israel was not very cooperative, you wouldn't be either if somebody made a boo-boo on your little boy parts.
i'm glad it went well and that you traveled safely!
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:34pm |
re: #394 Cato the Elder
random story, somebody blew off a pipebomb down by the river a while ago up here. It was a good mystery sound.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:16pm |
re: #394 Cato the Elder
When we outlaw fireworks, only outlaws will have fireworks! Eleventy!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:23pm |
re: #393 windsagio
Yeah, and Walter's our
crazycreepy uncle :D
Fucking a. I will meet that Uncle in the future though, I bet.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:26pm |
re: #403 Cato the Elder
Third barrage just started.
Here comes the fourth. Haku is barking. Now he just came inside.
Smart dog.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:44pm |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:59pm |
g'night everybody.
logging off to skype my GF.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:35:05pm |
re: #407 fat bastard vegetarian
When we outlaw fireworks, only outlaws will have fireworks! Eleventy!
Fireworks don't blow off fingers! Fingers blow off Fingers!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:35:36pm |
re: #409 Cato the Elder
Here comes the fourth. Haku is barking. Now he just came inside.
Smart dog.
Are Her Majesty's Men O' War in the harbor?
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:35:43pm |
re: #394 Cato the Elder
Someone just set off two professional-sounding barrages of fireworks about three blocks from my house in Baltimore.
Note: Fireworks are illegal in Maryland. The second barrage is still going on.
So much for making shit illegal.
Illegal here in Illinois too. But last July 4, I was riding my bike home and it was like traveling through a war zone.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:35:57pm |
re: #406 ozbloke
if you want people ot actually listen to that, you might wanna figure out how to link it correctly >>
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:36:21pm |
re: #413 Cato the Elder
Got a neighbor with the nickname "Lefty"?
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:36:25pm |
re: #411 wozzablog
g'night everybody.
logging off to skype my GF.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:36:47pm |
re: #362 swamprat
It's a pity that the original Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger version, recorded in the 60s, is nowhere to be found on the Net. It's a fine, fine song.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:37:14pm |
re: #378 Stanley Sea
I've always wanted to live in the Pacific NW.
We and our many breweries would love to have you! :D
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:37:25pm |
re: #410 windsagio
I kinda want to >>
Just not sure its mutual :D
It would be a trip. That I'm sure of.
Unless he got grumpy.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:37:31pm |
re: #395 fat bastard vegetarian
Both of my grandfathers were coal miners.
My father has some chits for the company store.
My father never once went into a mine. I think I would not have been born, because my grandfather would've killed him.
I am second generation out of those black holes.
Me too.
I sort of bless the depression for no jobs in West Virginia, so the ancestors went to Washington DC. Then headed West.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:37:36pm |
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:37:59pm |
re: #402 wozzablog
Thats how it works in the UK.
NHS provides baseline, essential and life saving treatments - for electives/private rooms/smaller wards you can go private through insurance plans or per operation
It's how it works in most of the Western world as I understand it. It's certainly how it works in the English-speaking Western world.
Catch up, America. You're the wealthiest, most cosmopolitan, most powerful nation on Earth. You're the Rome of our time, the shining city on a hill. That your citizens' health and wellbeing is in such an appalling state is nothing short of a national disgrace.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38:14pm |
re: #417 Cato the Elder
Sixth. Car alarms are hooting now.
Ya know, if they're going to make noises that loud, at least they could have the common decency to do it with a Dodge Viper
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38:21pm |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38:40pm |
re: #425 Thanos
Is the dew foggy?
I hear the mangoes are doing well this time of year, and so are the gooseberries.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38:44pm |
For the Coal Miners and Oil Workers whose families mourn today
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38:47pm |
re: #395 fat bastard vegetarian
Both of my grandfathers were coal miners.
My father has some chits for the company store.
My father never once went into a mine. I think I would not have been born, because my grandfather would've killed him.
I am second generation out of those black holes.
Wow. It really is that close for some us, isn't it? And your father still actually has company script to buy triple marked up goods at the company store??
That is a part of our history that needs some retelling, I think.
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swamprat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:39:18pm |
re: #420 ryannon
This seemed to be one of the better versions. Peter Paul And Mary is not to be found.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:11pm |
re: #429 windsagio
Wait, you think he wouldn't?
/looks behind, "Oh damn, hi Mr. Newton!"
I was thinking in the first hour.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:15pm |
re: #428 windupbird
Ya know, if they're going to make noises that loud, at least they could have the common decency to do it with a Dodge Viper
We had a friend visiting from South Africa. He didn't get fireworks, in fact he kept flinching at every pop. To explain, I had to quote The Simpsons.
"We like to celebrate our country by blowing up a small chunk of it."
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:30pm |
re: #352 fat bastard vegetarian
Sigh.. Companies are inanimate objects.
Are they? They interact with their customers, they interact with the community they service, they interact with the local culture.
I don't believe I'm reifying the abstract.
A company is more than the abstract concept of a name and the building wearing that name, it is a collection of people interacting with one another and the surrounding population. Companies exhibit the same emergent properties as any large group of people. They can take on a life of their own, simply through the unpredictability of the interactions that control them.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:37pm |
re: #432 celticdragon
Wow. It really is that close for some us, isn't it? And your father still actually has company script to buy triple marked up goods at the company store??
That is a part of our history that needs some retelling, I think.
But if it was brought up front and center how the mine owners would hire people to beat up those who wanted to create a union people might get an idea in their heads that the invisible hand sometimes beats the s*** out of people rather than correcting the market....
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:47pm |
re: #425 Thanos
Is the dew foggy?
Twas down the glen one Easter morn
To a city fair rode I.
When armed line of marching men
In squadrons passed me by.
No pipes did hum, no battle drum
Did sound its loud tattoo
But the Angelus bell o'er the Liffey's swell
Rang out in the foggy dew.
One of my favorites.
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Jadespring Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:52pm |
re: #387 Floral Giraffe
Apparently they make a lot of noise. Constantly.
Right now I'm sitting in a house right smack in the middle of a large several thousand acre wind farm. you see a turbine out every window. I keep reading these things on the net about them being so noisy. I don't hear them and they have never bothered my parents. The only time you notice them is when the wind gets to this middle speed and you hear a faint woosh in the distance. It's a small window where that happens though because when they really get going the wind gets loud enough that if they did get noisier you couldn't hear them anyway. Now I suppose it would be noisier if you lived right underneath one but the windfarms in the area I live in all have 500 metre setbacks from any homes.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:53pm |
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The Bunny Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:41:17pm |
I absolutely adore the way the photograph catches the stillness of the air. The mist hangs in the valley, all the windmills are stationary and pointing in different directions.
They exude dormant power. They are just waiting to spring into an energetic frenzy at the first breath of life giving wind.........
Nice picture!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:41:19pm |
re: #415 Soap_Man
Illegal here in Illinois too. But last July 4, I was riding my bike home and it was like traveling through a war zone.
I'm totally against making fireworks illegal. Here in Baltimore, people just shoot off guns instead.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:41:35pm |
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:41:45pm |
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:42:25pm |
re: #432 celticdragon
The unions were really too late for my grandfathers. Dig in a hole for 10 hours... catch a ride to the road up the holler... and walk two miles home... to work on a farm to feed the family.
My mom's dad did it with one arm, too.
Tough ole' son of a bitch if I ever met one.
My other grandfather died a very, very old 70 year old man.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:42:36pm |
re: #428 windupbird
Ya know, if they're going to make noises that loud, at least they could have the common decency to do it with a Dodge Viper
Or a decently rigged-up loud pipe Harley.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:43:51pm |
re: #444 Cato the Elder
I'm totally against making fireworks illegal. Here in Baltimore, people just shoot off guns instead.
Still, every summer you read a story in the paper about some drunk dumbass who blew his hand off.
"It's illegal because it's dangerous" they say.
"It's dangerous because idiots get drunk and think they are toys" I say
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:43:52pm |
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swamprat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:44:00pm |
re: #282 jamesfirecat
The guy also doesn't allow unions. He says that he'd shut down the mine rather than let it operate with a union.
My being a fan of the 1632 series has giving me nothing but respect for the UMWA. (Umwa? Sounds Polish...)
Conclusion...
mine owner = scum.
Holy ...Cow!
What an asshole. I wouldn't cry if Obama nationalized that guys' nasty little monarchy. I'd go pinko, in that regard, just in his honor!
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:44:54pm |
re: #387 Floral Giraffe
Apparently they make a lot of noise. Constantly.
So do airports. And trains. And semis using engine retarder brakes.
And the damn little miniature Doberman next door.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:45:26pm |
re: #394 Cato the Elder
Someone just set off two professional-sounding barrages of fireworks about three blocks from my house in Baltimore.
Note: Fireworks are illegal in Maryland. The second barrage is still going on.
So much for making shit illegal.
Here come the 'copters, five minutes after everything is over.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:46:25pm |
re: #444 Cato the Elder
I'm totally against making fireworks illegal. Here in Baltimore, people just shoot off guns instead.
Fireworks, guns, drugs and prostitution should all be legal. Combine the four and you have one fun evening. (half-joking)
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:46:47pm |
re: #400 jamesfirecat
Our country needs to declare a war on fireworks!
But how will we celebrate when we win?
No problem, just make sure you always throw the contest.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:46:49pm |
Windy - what was up with the pipe bomb? Someone practicing?
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:46:53pm |
re: #448 fat bastard vegetarian
FBV, I'm a slow reader, you were talking about Tony Campolo downstairs.
My favorite quote was something like:
My Jewish friends mother would say when leaving for school, do you have your books.
My mother would say do you have your lunch...
Tee hee...
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:47:52pm |
Another song for the day by Si Kahn. (Interesting name, I know)
GOODBYE MONDAY BLUES
Chorus:
Goodbye Monday blues
Goodbye card room fever
Cotton dust has got my lungs
You know I'm bound to leave you
Verses:
When I was a little thing
Up in Pickins County
My daddy took me from the farm
To be a mill town baby
Not a man in all these mills
Could beat me once for doffing
Now it's all that I can do
To sit here without coughing
Old man staring at his glass
In some back street bar room
These was once the fastest hands
In spinning, spool or card room
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:48:13pm |
re: #411 wozzablog
g'night everybody.
logging off to skype my GF.
Is that what the younger generations are calling it?
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:48:15pm |
Mountains and Windmills.....
Thanks Charles!!
I just happen to know where that is!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:48:31pm |
re: #401 celticdragon
Zulu is one of my all time favorite war movies!
At one hundred yards...Volley fire! Present! Fire!
I actually managed to buy an 1880 dated manufacture Martini-Henry rifle just like you see in the movie for my dad. Complete with bayonet.
Which bayonet? The triangular socket bayonet, the wavy 'yogatan' type issued to officers or the cutlass type used by naval shore parties?
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:48:32pm |
So, my Chicago Bulls just beat the Cleveland Cavaliers. At one point in the third quarter, the Bulls had a 21-point lead. They won by 2.
But hey, a win is a win.
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:48:40pm |
re: #455 Soap_Man
Fireworks, guns, drugs and prostitution should all be legal. Combine the four and you have one fun evening. (half-joking)
Heh! ;)
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:49:45pm |
re: #459 fat bastard vegetarian
We share another mutual like, Watchman Nee.
I have Table in the wilderness in the mens rooming for inspiration.
What! too much information?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:50:23pm |
re: #441 Jadespring
Cool, to get first hand experience! Thank you!
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:50:25pm |
re: #464 Soap_Man
So, my Chicago Bulls just beat the Cleveland Cavaliers. At one point in the third quarter, the Bulls had a 21-point lead. They won by 2.
But hey, a win is a win.
Congrats. Take the one you're going to get.
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Olsonist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:50:32pm |
re: #209 Lidane
Don Blankenship is a massive GOP donor and he gets services for his money. Yeah, Blankenship is a sick fuck but McConnell and Chao are just as sick.
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:51:26pm |
re: #467 ozbloke
I have Table in the wilderness in the mens rooming for inspiration.
s/rooming/room/
Sheesh...
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:00pm |
re: #463 Dark_Falcon
Which bayonet? The triangular socket bayonet, the wavy 'yogatan' type issued to officers or the cutlass type used by naval shore parties?
The triangular one I believe. I still haven't been able to actually see it, since it was sent directly to my dad as a Christmas present. When I went home three weeks ago (for the first time in ten years) the gun was being cleaned and spruced up by a LEO friend of my dad who is also a gunsmith. I was...a little...disappointed in not being able to see the rifle.
I now have my brand new Brown Bess musket though, and that has the wickedly huge triangular bayonet on it!
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b_sharp Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:05pm |
re: #441 Jadespring
Right now I'm sitting in a house right smack in the middle of a large several thousand acre wind farm. you see a turbine out every window. I keep reading these things on the net about them being so noisy. I don't hear them and they have never bothered my parents. The only time you notice them is when the wind gets to this middle speed and you hear a faint woosh in the distance. It's a small window where that happens though because when they really get going the wind gets loud enough that if they did get noisier you couldn't hear them anyway. Now I suppose it would be noisier if you lived right underneath one but the windfarms in the area I live in all have 500 metre setbacks from any homes.
Being you are in among them, I have to ask, have you ever seen them copulate, or give birth? Are the babies really cute?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:53:46pm |
re: #439 jamesfirecat
But if it was brought up front and center how the mine owners would hire people to beat up those who wanted to create a union people might get an idea in their heads that the invisible hand sometimes beats the s*** out of people rather than correcting the market...
And the miners retaliated with bombings in Pennsylvania, most famously by the Molly Maguires (an Irish organization). The ill treatment of Irish miners by owners of English ancestry may help explain why support in Irish-American circles "For The Lads" (for the IRA) was so strong for so long. And the IRA did play a minor role in union organizing, with the subway workers union in New York City being founded by IRA men.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:55:03pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
And the miners retaliated with bombings in Pennsylvania, most famously by the Molly Maguires (an Irish organization). The ill treatment of Irish miners by owners of English ancestry may help explain why support in Irish-American circles "For The Lads" (for the IRA) was so strong for so long. And the IRA did play a minor role in union organizing, with the subway workers union in New York City being founded by IRA men.
All I can say in response....
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The Shadow Do Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:55:22pm |
re: #374 windsagio
Good.
re: #369 The Shadow Do
I don't get why you're against them actually, all you've said is you think they're ugly, then there's the random unfocused hostility in this post. Care to clarify?
Well, fact is that they are ugly. You want to wax poetic otherwise? And "hostility"? No, not at all. Goofball wind talkers are job security. Silly but so.
All of the above is too damn bad since real solutions are out there. Absent political zealotry of course.
Never happen
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:56:17pm |
re: #464 Soap_Man
So, my Chicago Bulls just beat the Cleveland Cavaliers. At one point in the third quarter, the Bulls had a 21-point lead. They won by 2.
But hey, a win is a win.
yep. i still can't believe it. good game-
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:56:49pm |
re: #423 Floral Giraffe
It's really funny to try to sort out some of the old West Virginia property rights.
Aunt worked in the tax assessors office & bought oil & gas rights at auction, when the owner went into default on taxes. When I first started dealing with them, I couldn't read the fricking bill! Hello? How much is due? Couldn't tell ( And I was a bean counter!) So, I picked the highest number on the bill & mailed them a check. Do you know how I got my refunds?
CUE: Deliverance banjo music, here....
In postage stamps. In denominations I didn't know the PO made! WTF?
I took them to the local PO, and they're as good as cash. The PO gives you the money!
There's still 2 properties oil/gas rights, that are described in an 1890 deed, but the tree that the deed was based on, at the curve of the river is now gone.
It's a total PITA. Entertainment value is high, except when I get PO'd.
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:57:25pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
And the miners retaliated with bombings in Pennsylvania, most famously by the Molly Maguires (an Irish organization). The ill treatment of Irish miners by owners of English ancestry may help explain why support in Irish-American circles "For The Lads" (for the IRA) was so strong for so long. And the IRA did play a minor role in union organizing, with the subway workers union in New York City being founded by IRA men.
You will love this one, then...
After months of fruitless complaints, Germany decided to take bold action to stem the flow of American arms and supplies to its enemies. On 4 February 1915, Berlin ordered its submarines to sink any vessels—even those flying the flags of neutrals—sailing within an exclusion zone around Great Britain. At roughly the same time, the General Staff confirmed its prior authorization to Germany's military attache in Washington to mount sabotage operations against "every kind of factory for supplying munitions of war."3 Despite this sweeping grant of authority, however, the attaché, Franz von Papen, had no training in clandestine activities, and accomplished little over the next few months.
Berlin sent von Papen some help in April 1915. An aristocratic naval officer, Captain Franz von Rintelen, arrived in New York carrying a Swiss passport and orders to run a sabotage campaign under illegal cover. Rintelen spoke fluent English and knew Manhattan's banking and social milieus. He was as unschooled in covert action as his Embassy counterparts, but was more innovative and seemingly inexhaustible. Within weeks of his arrival, he had enlisted sailors and officers from the 80-odd German ships languishing in New York harbor, turning a workshop on one of the ships into a bomb factory. He convinced a German-born chemist across the river in New Jersey to fill cigar-shaped firebombs, and claims to have used Irish dockworkers to plant the devices on Allied ships in American ports. The shipping news soon noted a rash of mysterious accidents at sea; ships carrying munitions from America were damaged and their cargoes ruined by fires.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:57:34pm |
re: #478 Aceofwhat?
yep. i still can't believe it. good game-
There was at least four moments where I said "I can't watch this anymore. They are going to blow it."
But the channel was not changed. (Well, except to check on the Blackhawks.)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:57:38pm |
re: #472 celticdragon
The triangular one I believe. I still haven't been able to actually see it, since it was sent directly to my dad as a Christmas present. When I went home three weeks ago (for the first time in ten years) the gun was being cleaned and spruced up by a LEO friend of my dad who is also a gunsmith. I was...a little...disappointed in not being able to see the rifle.
I now have my brand new Brown Bess musket though, and that has the wickedly huge triangular bayonet on it!
Martini-Henry's were impressive, and far more effective than the old muskets. A game played at a game store I frequent providing a fun example: Two of the store's employees did the battle of the toy soldiers versus the rats from the Nutcracker, but they gave the soldiers Martini-Henrys and added more rats. The rats got mowed down while the soldiers suffered minor losses. Lord Roberts would have loved it and I had "Men of Harleck" running through my head the entire time.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:58:31pm |
re: #481 Soap_Man
There was at least four moments where I said "I can't watch this anymore. They are going to blow it."
But the channel was not changed. (Well, except to check on the Blackhawks.)
Are they winning?
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ozbloke Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:58:37pm |
re: #476 fat bastard vegetarian
I keep a Watchman Nee book, in my toilet to read.
lav / lavvy: shortened form of lavatory. "Just going to the lavvy luvvy!"
loo: from the French bordalou, a ladies portable toilet that looked a bit like a gravy-boat and was carried inside a muff (a big, fury, double-glove for keeping the hands warm).
karsy: from the Italian casa (house). Don't say this in front of your English host-family.
thunder-box: British Indian army term. Self explanatory.
colfabias: this is actually fake Latin. Used by students at Trinity College, University of Dublin.
fourth: used at Trinity College, University of Cambridge. In the 19th century the college lavatories were in the 4th court, so "gone 4" or "taking a fourth" meant going to the toilet.
Jerry: Jericho was (still is, actually) the rough area of Oxford. So "going for a Jerry" became a slang expression for urinating.
forakers: from the Latin forica meaning privy.
little boy's room: euphemism for the chaps' loo.
little girl's room: euphemism for the ladies' loo.
po: from the French pot de chambre (chamber-pot), kept under the bed for night-soil.
throne room: obvious euphemism.
the bogs: British schoolboy term for toilet.
"going up the end of the garden": a reference to when British homes had outside lavatories, usually at the end of the garden.
on the pan: to be sitting on the lavatory.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:59:05pm |
Or someone lend me a fricken magic wand.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:59:18pm |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
Are they winning?
Yeah. 1-0, about 8 minutes left in the second. Good defense on both sides.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:59:34pm |
re: #481 Soap_Man
There was at least four moments where I said "I can't watch this anymore. They are going to blow it."
But the channel was not changed. (Well, except to check on the Blackhawks.)
heh...at least one of your teams has a chance to make it to the next round!
Derrick Rose is a joy to watch, even when he beats my Cavs. That guy makes butter look rough.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:59:55pm |
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:06pm |
re: #487 Soap_Man
Yeah. 1-0, about 8 minutes left in the second. Good defense on both sides.
WOOO!!!! Make that 2-0!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:24pm |
re: #484 ozbloke
"Jakes" used at my high school. Occurs in King Lear.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:31pm |
re: #472 celticdragon
The triangular one I believe. I still haven't been able to actually see it, since it was sent directly to my dad as a Christmas present. When I went home three weeks ago (for the first time in ten years) the gun was being cleaned and spruced up by a LEO friend of my dad who is also a gunsmith. I was...a little...disappointed in not being able to see the rifle.
I now have my brand new Brown Bess musket though, and that has the wickedly huge triangular bayonet on it!
The current issue of Shotgun News has the start of a multipart article on putting the barrel from a Lee-Enfield on a Martini reciever to create a .303 single shot.
My "newest" (to me at least) firearm is an old Iver Johnson Third Model Safety Hammerless Break Top revolver. 4" barrel in .38 S&W (fortunately Magtech makes a semi-sanely priced loading). that's in good shape physically but is, shall we say, cosmetically challenged :) I've been thinking about removing what remains of the nickel & cold bluing it. Might become my BUG.
William
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:32pm |
re: #457 Stanley Sea
Nobody knows, it was just this huge hollow bang that the whole city heard. Didn't figure out what it was till days earlier.
Just a cool strange thing >> Never caught anybody.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:40pm |
re: #487 Soap_Man
Yeah. 1-0, about 8 minutes left in the second. Good defense on both sides.
What channel is it on? I can't find it. (I have DirecTV.)
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:53pm |
re: #486 eclectic infidel
Or someone lend me a fricken magic wand.
Every time I hear that expression I think of one thing anyone want to guess?
A mutiny... IN SPACE!
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:01:12pm |
re: #482 Dark_Falcon
Martini-Henry's were impressive, and far more effective than the old muskets. A game played at a game store I frequent providing a fun example: Two of the store's employees did the battle of the toy soldiers versus the rats from the Nutcracker, but they gave the soldiers Martini-Henrys and added more rats. The rats got mowed down while the soldiers suffered minor losses. Lord Roberts would have loved it and I had "Men of Harleck" running through my head the entire time.
That is a version of the ballet that I would very much like to see. :D
Perhaps the Kirov?
Ah! Men of Harleck! Can't you see their spear points gleaming?
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:01:16pm |
re: #477 The Shadow Do
You are clearly against windmills, and think they're a bad solution.
Tell us why.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:01:26pm |
re: #494 Dark_Falcon
What channel is it on? I can't find it. (I have DirecTV.)
Comcast Sportsnet Plus. I think it is 666 on DirecTV.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:04pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:38pm |
re: #495 jamesfirecat
Every time I hear that expression I think of one thing anyone want to guess?
A mutiny... IN SPACE!
You know, I tend to expect too much too soon. It's okay though. A nice bath will give me the time and frame of mind to adjust to the reality at hand. I just have to make sure I don't doze off in the water.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:46pm |
re: #1 windsagio
I have no idea how anybody can freakin' say those windmills are eyesores.
They're amazing and beautiful, especially in motion.
Yeah, you could say the same about cities.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:50pm |
re: #482 Dark_Falcon
Martini-Henry, the most graceful line of any single shot rolling/block
action I've seen!
Not as strong as the clunky Springfield of that era but beautiful!
I've seen some customs based on it ...My favorite was in 7x57 Mauser.
Could have been mine for a mere 1,700.00$
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:53pm |
The Cowboys just got Dez Bryant from Oklahoma State.
Back to windmills...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:04:35pm |
re: #498 Soap_Man
Comcast Sportsnet Plus. I think it is 666 on DirecTV.
Ha, ha, very funny. It's actually on channel 603, I just found it and tuned in. Go Hawks! Let's give Chicago two playoff wins tonight!
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:04:47pm |
re: #501 Naso Tang
Depends on the City, imo.
LA looks awful no matter which way you look at it.
Seattle across the sound tho? Wonderful.
| 508 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:05:38pm |
re: #492 wlewisiii
Careful...It's an ADDICTION!!!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:05:56pm |
re: #502 reloadingisnotahobby
Martini-Henry, the most graceful line of any single shot rolling/block
action I've seen!
Not as strong as the clunky Springfield of that era but beautiful!
I've seen some customs based on it ...My favorite was in 7x57 Mauser.
Could have been mine for a mere 1,700.00$
A Martini-Mauser? And in Spanish Mauser no less. Very interesting. The 7mm is though by some to have been the best battle rifle caliber of all.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:06:18pm |
re: #455 Soap_Man
Fireworks, guns, drugs and prostitution should all be legal. Combine the four and you have one fun evening. (half-joking)
"A guy could have a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff."
Name that movie!
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Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:06:31pm |
re: #477 The Shadow Do
Well, fact is that they are ugly. You want to wax poetic otherwise? And "hostility"? No, not at all. Goofball wind talkers are job security. Silly but so.
All of the above is too damn bad since real solutions are out there. Absent political zealotry of course.Never happen
I think you need to be more specific in your arguments; for example, how about suggesting everything can be solved if only taxes were eliminated?
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:06:37pm |
re: #506 Stanley Sea
I think he's a serious freakin' pick. We'll see.
| 513 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:16pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:23pm |
re: #502 reloadingisnotahobby
Now _that_ would be wild. I'd love but then I'm a sucker for 7x57 anyway.
William
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:23pm |
re: #496 celticdragon
That is a version of the ballet that I would very much like to see. :D
Perhaps the Kirov?
Ah! Men of Harleck! Can't you see their spear points gleaming?
I may still have pictures of the game. If I do, I'll send them to you. I'd rather not post them here due to Stalker issues.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:59pm |
re: #510 Cato the Elder
"A guy could have a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff."
Name that movie!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:08:04pm |
re: #510 Cato the Elder
"A guy could have a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff."
Name that movie!
Sounds like something Hunter Thompson would say.
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Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:08:08pm |
re: #504 Dark_Falcon
Ha, ha, very funny. It's actually on channel 603, I just found it and tuned in. Go Hawks! Let's give Chicago two playoff wins tonight!
Actually, that wasn't a joke. I'm staying at my parents' house tonight. They have DirecTV and I am watching it on channel 666 as we speak.
(Probably different channel lineup since we are on opposite sides of the city)
OOOOHHHH. Make it 3-0!
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:08:28pm |
re: #492 wlewisiii
The current issue of Shotgun News has the start of a multipart article on putting the barrel from a Lee-Enfield on a Martini reciever to create a .303 single shot.
My "newest" (to me at least) firearm is an old Iver Johnson Third Model Safety Hammerless Break Top revolver. 4" barrel in .38 S&W (fortunately Magtech makes a semi-sanely priced loading). that's in good shape physically but is, shall we say, cosmetically challenged :) I've been thinking about removing what remains of the nickel & cold bluing it. Might become my BUG.
William
I would hate to cut up an irreplaceable Martini-Henry to do that, though. The one I got for my dad came on the market when Nepal opened up the dungeons and armories of the former royal palace and sold off one hundred years of stored firearms...all the way from Brown Bess percussion conversions all the way to first generation machine guns on artillery carriages.
An 1880 stamped short lever rifle in excellent condition was $800, and I knew that chance would never come again in my lifetime to get something like that with a frakking cool story behind it.
| 521 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:08:29pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:02pm |
re: #510 Cato the Elder
"Send lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan."
Name that tune!
| 523 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:11pm |
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celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:25pm |
re: #515 Dark_Falcon
I may still have pictures of the game. If I do, I'll send them to you. I'd rather not post them here due to Stalker issues.
Do you still have my email?
| 525 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:43pm |
| 526 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:54pm |
re: #504 Dark_Falcon
Ha, ha, very funny.
It's actually on channel 603, I just found it and tuned in.Go Hawks! Let's give Chicago two playoff wins tonight!
Just checked again and the game is actually the Penguins game. The Hawks are blacked out for me, sad to say.
| 527 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:10:24pm |
re: #509 Dark_Falcon
It was re barreled/chambered,with a half round/oct...barrel.
Zebra Burl wood!
7x57 is a very effective cal..with very low recoil.
I have two!
| 528 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:10:28pm |
re: #522 Floral Giraffe
"Send lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan."
Name that tune!
Zevon!
| 529 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:10:35pm |
re: #505 windsagio
Depends on the City, imo.
LA looks awful no matter which way you look at it.
Seattle across the sound tho? Wonderful.
Except at night from Mulholland Drive.
| 530 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:11:24pm |
re: #508 reloadingisnotahobby
Careful...It's an ADDICTION!!!
I'm already trolling for more. I'd really love either a Lemon-Squeezer in .32S&W or a snub-nosed DA Perfected in .38 S&W but I really can't afford what collectors have done to Smith & Wesson prices.
Now Iver Johnson's are nice - the Ruger of the day with innovation & lower cost - because they're thought of as junk by a lot of folks. Let's just say this old break top locks up tight after 75-100 years... :)
I love my C&R license ;)
William
| 531 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:11:28pm |
Honestly? I thought Pittsburgh was going to trade to get Tebow...
| 532 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:11:30pm |
re: #529 ryannon
I'll take your word for it. Every time I've been in LA its been 'smog dome' weather, where everything cuts out like a half mile away into hte gray haze, like an old 3d video game.
| 533 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:11:53pm |
re: #519 Soap_Man
Actually, that wasn't a joke. I'm staying at my parents' house tonight. They have DirecTV and I am watching it on channel 666 as we speak.
(Probably different channel lineup since we are on opposite sides of the city)
OOOHHH. Make it 3-0!
666 is the Channel. I've got the game on now. The Predators are going to be on a Power Play after a fight.
| 534 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:12:11pm |
re: #510 Cato the Elder
"A guy could have a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff."
Name that movie!
Doctor Strange Love or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.
Line was going to be "In Dallas" but the film was also going to come out on November 23rd 1963 or so...
Connect the dots...
| 536 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:12:18pm |
re: #533 Dark_Falcon
I'm shocked and amused that it actually IS channel 666 >>
| 538 |
ozbloke Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:12:58pm |
re: #491 Decatur Deb
and 516 ryannon
Thanks...
FBV sorry, I may have mixed you up with someone else, thought you were a Watchman Nee fan.
| 539 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:17pm |
re: #524 celticdragon
Do you still have my email?
I don't think so. I'll let you know if I've got the pics, then turn my nic blue.
| 540 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:23pm |
| 541 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:33pm |
re: #450 Soap_Man
Still, every summer you read a story in the paper about some drunk dumbass who blew his hand off.
"It's illegal because it's dangerous" they say.
"It's dangerous because idiots get drunk and think they are toys" I say
Zackly.
Until we can effectively outlaw stupidity, all the Nanny State provisions will do is provide more fodder for the Prison Industrial Complex.
Seriously, here in Maryland, I expect somebody any day now to introduce a bill that would require mandatory safety helmets anytime you're not in bed. Or even then.
After all, you could fall down the fucking stairs and hurt yourself.
| 542 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:42pm |
Etherial Towercam sunset in the cloud zone, constantly changing.
San Gabriel Mountains of California.
| 543 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:57pm |
re: #505 windsagio
Depends on the City, imo.
LA looks awful no matter which way you look at it.
Seattle across the sound tho? Wonderful.
I'm just being coy, as usual, with my sarc tags. Testing you.
I remember a hippie friend back in the 70's complaining about how ugly the large astronomical radio telescope dishes were, stuck in pristine nature.
I think the argument went along the lines of how many poor people could be given welfare instead of spending money on something that had no material benefit.
I wonder what his argument would have been if wind turbines were built on the same locations to help people.
| 544 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:14:07pm |
| 545 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:14:11pm |
re: #536 windsagio
I'm shocked and amused that it actually IS channel 666 >>
I know...Satan plays for the Bruins, not the Predators or Blackhawks. They messed that up...
| 546 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:14:46pm |
re: #520 celticdragon
He started with a pile of parts from junk rifles, no collectors items being chopped up there.
William
| 548 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:00pm |
| 549 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:05pm |
Potentially deadly fungus spreading in U.S. and Canada
"The findings presented here document that the outbreak of C. gattii in Western North America is continuing to expand throughout this temperate region," the researchers said in their report, published in the Public Library of Science journal PLoS Pathogens here
"Our findings suggest further expansion into neighboring regions is likely to occur and aim to increase disease awareness in the region."
The new strain appears to be unusually deadly, with a mortality rate of about 25 percent among the 21 U.S. cases analyzed, they said.
"From 1999 through 2003, the cases were largely restricted to Vancouver Island," the report reads.
"Between 2003 and 2006, the outbreak expanded into neighboring mainland British Columbia and then into Washington and Oregon from 2005 to 2009. Based on this historical trajectory of expansion, the outbreak may continue to expand into the neighboring region of Northern California, and possibly further."
| 550 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:27pm |
| 551 |
Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:37pm |
re: #541 Cato the Elder
Zackly.
Until we can effectively outlaw stupidity, all the Nanny State provisions will do is provide more fodder for the Prison Industrial Complex.
Seriously, here in Maryland, I expect somebody any day now to introduce a bill that would require mandatory safety helmets anytime you're not in bed. Or even then.
After all, you could fall down the fucking stairs and hurt yourself.
Whenever these dumbfucks blow themselves up, I can't help but think that it is nothing more than Darwinism working as it should.
| 553 |
Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:16:05pm |
| 554 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:16:19pm |
Food sharing time! Just tried a new brand of Penne... Ronzoni "Smart Taste" Penne Rigate... calcium enriched and stuff...
Flippin' deeelish!
| 555 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:16:43pm |
re: #550 Aceofwhat?
you hate the Broncos too??
//
Tebow is a winner. I hope to hell he is successful. (these commentators LOVE him, they are fawning)
Go Gators!!
| 556 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:16:43pm |
Maybe if we have some girls in wooden clogs and cute ethnic hats hangs around in front of the windmills they'll be picturesque, instead of ugly.
Just a thought.
| 557 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:17:27pm |
re: #510 Cato the Elder
"A guy could have a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff."
Name that movie!
Also I don't mean to insult but I think the line you wanted was actually
"A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff"
| 558 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:17:42pm |
re: #556 EmmmieG
I can live without the tulips and wooden shoes but mayo on French Fries is delicious.
| 559 |
jaunte Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:12pm |
re: #549 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
the outbreak may continue to expand into the neighboring region of Northern California, and possibly further
I wonder if it will affect the cash crops of Northern California.
| 560 |
Sheepdogess Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:16pm |
| 561 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:18pm |
re: #551 Soap_Man
Whenever these dumbfucks blow themselves up, I can't help but think that it is nothing more than Darwinism working as it should.
That is why, as a formerly very active motorcyclist, I am against helmet laws.
They interfere with natural selection.
| 562 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:24pm |
re: #558 Killgore Trout
I can live without the tulips and wooden shoes but mayo on French Fries is delicious.
HERETIC! Burn him!
///
| 563 |
Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:37pm |
re: #556 EmmmieG
Maybe if we have some girls in wooden clogs and cute ethnic hats hangs around in front of the windmills they'll be picturesque, instead of ugly.
Just a thought.
And they could be kissing one another too. Maybe that's a personal preference.
Never mind.
| 564 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:41pm |
re: #547 Sheepdogess
He's gonna have a hard time... but, I think he'll do well...
But a large portion of the country is hoping he'll be caught snorting cocaine out of a male prostitutes butt crack, just because of the squeaky clean image...
| 565 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:56pm |
re: #552 Sheepdogess
Pimf
tebow-Tebow!
I have to tell you: I saw someone using your nic on the Stalker Blog this week. Please tell me it was someone pretending to be you.
| 566 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:18:57pm |
re: #558 Killgore Trout
I can live without the tulips and wooden shoes but mayo on French Fries is delicious.
If there are two things I can't stand, its people who are intolerant of another peoples culture and the Dutch.
| 567 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:19:14pm |
re: #530 wlewisiii
LOL! I used to really be into tactical firearms, but I have been drifting into 18th century weapons for awhile now. My next will either be an English naval blunderbuss or a Pennsylvania rifle.
| 569 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:19:35pm |
re: #558 Killgore Trout
I can live without the tulips and wooden shoes but mayo on French Fries is delicious.
Tarter sauce on french fries is to die for.
| 570 |
Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:19:42pm |
re: #557 jamesfirecat
Also I don't mean to insult but I think the line you wanted was actually
"A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff"
dr. strangelove or how I learned to stop worrying and learned to love the bomb
| 571 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:20:02pm |
re: #555 Stanley Sea
Tebow is a winner. I hope to hell he is successful. (these commentators LOVE him, they are fawning)
Go Gators!!
Eh, they fawn over everyone in the first round. I think Tebow was fantastic in college, don't get me wrong. I just think that accuracy is the most important quality in an NFL quarterback and that's not his strength.
But i don't love or hate the Broncos, so this will be interesting...
| 572 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:20:07pm |
re: #546 wlewisiii
He started with a pile of parts from junk rifles, no collectors items being chopped up there.
William
Cool. I was actually sweating a bit on that...! :)
| 574 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:20:21pm |
re: #568 Ojoe
Very nice, thank you, as always for posting the towercam pictures.
Hope all is well with you.
| 575 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:20:45pm |
| 576 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:07pm |
| 578 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:35pm |
re: #560 Sheepdogess
You have a beef with Tebow?
no, it was a joke.
the fan polling they showed on the side:
grade the pick...
F: 43%
A: 25%
heh. people either love him or hate him. i think that he seems like the genuine article as a person, which is rare, but i don't know if he's accurate enough to be successful at the next level...
| 579 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:36pm |
re: #492 wlewisiii
The current issue of Shotgun News has the start of a multipart article on putting the barrel from a Lee-Enfield on a Martini reciever to create a .303 single shot.
My "newest" (to me at least) firearm is an old Iver Johnson Third Model Safety Hammerless Break Top revolver. 4" barrel in .38 S&W (fortunately Magtech makes a semi-sanely priced loading). that's in good shape physically but is, shall we say, cosmetically challenged :) I've been thinking about removing what remains of the nickel & cold bluing it. Might become my BUG.
William
I'm no expert on any of this, but I have a fondness for old arms. Mine is a 1875 rolling block Remington. 8mm (Danish Krag) ammo, which I have to special order.
| 580 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:56pm |
re: #575 fat bastard vegetarian
It is already losing the rose colors.
| 581 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:58pm |
re: #573 Sheepdogess
It was. Please tell me where.
I'd have to find the the thread. I think it was two nights ago. They posted late in the thread. I am extremely glad to here it was not you.
| 582 |
compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:22:21pm |
re: #564 fat bastard vegetarian
He's gonna have a hard time... but, I think he'll do well...
But a large portion of the country is hoping he'll be caught snorting cocaine out of a male prostitutes butt crack, just because of the squeaky clean image...
Why do you figure that is? Not an attractive quality.
| 583 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:23:07pm |
Sorry. My post #576 was meant in response to #522.
Canz y'all tell I'm drumk?
| 584 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:23:17pm |
re: #580 Ojoe
Which is why I just hollered for folks to look...
Really. I am so glad you do this. It is just fantastic.
| 585 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:23:45pm |
re: #567 celticdragon
LOL! I used to really be into tactical firearms, but I have been drifting into 18th century weapons for awhile now. My next will either be an English naval blunderbuss or a Pennsylvania rifle.
If I had a chance to buy a older rifle, I'd go with a SMLE Mk. III. Great rifle, and a true combat classic.
| 586 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:23:55pm |
re: #583 Cato the Elder
Sorry. My post #576 was meant in response to #522.
Canz y'all tell I'm drumk?
I hadn't noticed. You always seem a bit off... ;)
| 587 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:24:00pm |
re: #564 fat bastard vegetarian
He's gonna have a hard time... but, I think he'll do well...
But a large portion of the country is hoping he'll be caught snorting cocaine out of a male prostitutes butt crack, just because of the squeaky clean image...
*Rech*.
Are you trolling for attention tonight?
| 588 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:24:18pm |
re: #583 Cato the Elder
Sorry. My post #576 was meant in response to #522.
Canz y'all tell I'm drumk?
Usually.
| 589 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:24:32pm |
| 590 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:24:39pm |
re: #569 fat bastard vegetarian
Tarter sauce on french fries is to die for.
Agreed. Ketchup is far down on my condiment list.
| 591 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:24:49pm |
re: #532 windsagio
I'll take your word for it. Every time I've been in LA its been 'smog dome' weather, where everything cuts out like a half mile away into hte gray haze, like an old 3d video game.
You can also sometimes see it when the Mt. Wilson Towercam is aimed SW at night. Really amazing.
| 592 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:09pm |
re: #584 fat bastard vegetarian
Glad you like it.
It is a respite from all the human folly for me, to just look.
| 593 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:11pm |
re: #583 Cato the Elder
Sorry. My post #576 was meant in response to #522.
Canz y'all tell I'm drumk?
What're you going to do next?
| 594 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:19pm |
| 595 |
Mr Pancakes Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:35pm |
re: #295 celticdragon
Cool picture. Looks like the San Gorgonio Pass along I-10 in Cabazon headed towards Palm Springs.
Two weeks ago I went back to California for the first time in ten years for a funeral. My home town of Yucaipa is about 20 minutes from the pass.
Yea it is........ my folks lived in Yucaipa for years then they moved to Calimesa.
| 596 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:13pm |
re: #583 Cato the Elder
Sorry. My post #576 was meant in response to #522.
Canz y'all tell I'm drumk?
Then I'd have to suggest the IF rule is in effect.
| 597 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:26pm |
re: #585 Dark_Falcon
If I had a chance to buy a older rifle, I'd go with a SMLE Mk. III. Great rifle, and a true combat classic.
True, but I would get strange looks if I tried to fall into formation at the next Guilford Militia muster with that. :)
(the Guilford Militia is a Revolutionary War re-enacting outfit...not to be confused with the Tea Party, Oath Keepers, freepers, or the yahoos up in Michigan)
| 598 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:29pm |
re: #561 Cato the Elder
That is why, as a formerly very active motorcyclist, I am against helmet laws.
They interfere with natural selection.
Easy to say since you are former and no longer being selected.
| 599 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:40pm |
re: #596 Dark_Falcon
Seems like a happy drunk...
| 600 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:53pm |
| 601 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:55pm |
| 602 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:27:02pm |
Reign of Kindo - Needle and Thread
| 604 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:27:41pm |
| 605 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:27:56pm |
| 606 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:27:57pm |
re: #595 Mr Pancakes
Yea it is... my folks lived in Yucaipa for years then they moved to Calimesa.
It was nice to see home again. It really has grown. I miss the orange groves, but Oak Glen is still pretty and has plenty of apples.
| 607 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:21pm |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
Don't forget the company's own lax safety standards were part of the reason that the accident happened and those people died.
So we're going from regular ever day villinay, to cartoony supervilliany...
More like Superdickery...I'm sure Superman would approve.
| 608 |
Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:23pm |
re: #576 Cato the Elder
I have no idea, and I'm too drunk to google.
Do tell.
What's your poison tonight?
I'm missing a friend who passed years ago. Just a couple whiskey and waters.
Forever, letting go.
| 609 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:25pm |
| 610 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:39pm |
re: #591 ryannon
You can also sometimes see it when the Mt. Wilson Towercam is aimed SW at night. Really amazing.
All I see in that photo is traffic hell. That's what I can't stand about SoCal anymore - driving in it.
Pretty photo though.
| 611 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:40pm |
re: #601 Ojoe
I'll be watching it in a few weeks to see if we're gonna get some pretty views out of the volcanic activity. Always makes for pretty skies.
| 612 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:29:18pm |
re: #604 ryannon
It's probably a PNW thing. In our genes (or maybe our jeans)
| 613 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:30:58pm |
| 614 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:31:11pm |
re: #593 Floral Giraffe
What're you going to do next?
Read three classic free public-domain Kindle books, take a walk, and finish my current translation job.
Any further questions?
| 616 |
Sheepdogess Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:31:41pm |
re: #564 fat bastard vegetarian
That is true, but he will be fine. These "people" can't believe that anyone can actually be that decent. Common decency, something from long, long ago.
Saw a great old movie today that I have never seen before...
Alice Adams
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
For all you youts, don't bother rentng it, you will surely be "offended".
Youth is really wasted on the young....
| 617 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:31:49pm |
re: #614 Cato the Elder
Read three classic free public-domain Kindle books, take a walk, and finish my current translation job.
Any further questions?
what is your quest?
| 618 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:32:10pm |
re: #597 celticdragon
True, but I would get strange looks if I tried to fall into formation at the next Guilford Militia muster with that. :)
(the Guilford Militia is a Revolutionary War re-enacting outfit...not to be confused with the Tea Party, Oath Keepers, freepers, or the yahoos up in Michigan)
Now that sounds like a fun group. I've got a T/C flinty right now that I don't shoot enough but ever so often I get looking at repros of the Harpers Ferry Model 1803 rifle. Then I look at the price and go shoot my T/C instead :eek:
William
| 619 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:32:22pm |
re: #596 Dark_Falcon
Then I'd have to suggest the IF rule is in effect.
I said I'm drunk.
When you find me too drunk to post, invoke the Impotent Fist rule.
Amateur.
| 620 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:32:26pm |
re: #611 fat bastard vegetarian
I'll be watching it in a few weeks to see if we're gonna get some pretty views out of the volcanic activity. Always makes for pretty skies.
Did you find your dust?
| 621 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:32:30pm |
Bed time for me, fellow scaly ones.
See you tomorrow! :)
| 622 |
Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:32:37pm |
re: #611 fat bastard vegetarian
I'll be watching it in a few weeks to see if we're gonna get some pretty views out of the volcanic activity. Always makes for pretty skies.
A few years ago, I was flying out of Vegas during a bad case of California wildfires. Right after take off, the captain came on the audio and said "for everybody sitting on the right side of the plane, please look out the window. The wildfires, combined with the sky at dusk, combined with (some astronomical thing I cannot recall) is quite a sight. Me and my co-pilot have a combined 50 years of flying and we agree that it is the most amazing thing we have ever seen."
I was sitting on the left side of the plane. All of us on my side groaned right after he said it.
| 623 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:33:25pm |
re: #598 Naso Tang
Easy to say since you are former and no longer being selected.
I always wore a helmet of my own free will, even in no-helmet states.
| 625 |
Mr Pancakes Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:33:46pm |
re: #606 celticdragon
It was nice to see home again. It really has grown. I miss the orange groves, but Oak Glen is still pretty and has plenty of apples.
I loved Oak Glen.... so easy to get to. I frolicked in the snow there many times, and warmed my bones by the fire. My folks have passed on..... but I really should go back once in a while just for grins.
| 626 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:33:54pm |
re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist
The shock troops of the RNC?
Did someone say Sturmabteilung?
///dripping
| 627 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:36:32pm |
re: #558 Killgore Trout
I can live without the tulips and wooden shoes but mayo on French Fries is delicious.
Try this~~3 Tbsp. Mayo with a 1/2 tsp Soy Sauce. Dip slightly blanched green beans in and eat. Recipe from my Japanese mother in law.
| 628 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:37:06pm |
| 630 |
Soap_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:37:34pm |
Well, that's all for me folks. Have a safe and fun evening.
| 631 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:37:53pm |
| 633 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:38:32pm |
re: #627 prairiefire
Try this~~3 Tbsp. Mayo with a 1/2 tsp Soy Sauce. Dip slightly blanched green beans in and eat. Recipe from my Japanese mother in law.
Add honey & you have my favorite salad dressing.
Mayo, soy & honey.
Butter lettuce with cukes, tomatoes, scallions & toasted almonds. Kind of a "sweet" salad.
| 634 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:38:56pm |
| 635 |
prairiefire Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:39:03pm |
re: #633 Stanley Sea
Add honey & you have my favorite salad dressing.
Mayo, soy & honey.
Butter lettuce with cukes, tomatoes, scallions & toasted almonds. Kind of a "sweet" salad.
That sounds good!
| 636 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:39:11pm |
| 637 |
celticdragon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:39:12pm |
re: #618 wlewisiii
Now that sounds like a fun group. I've got a T/C flinty right now that I don't shoot enough but ever so often I get looking at repros of the Harpers Ferry Model 1803 rifle. Then I look at the price and go shoot my T/C instead :eek:
William
It is a blast! I discovered though that it is a bad idea to "die" in the sun...face up! I lost the flint from my 'Bess' on the first day fighting at Hansour's Mill last June, so I took a hit and died. That really...really...sucked. The sweat was pooling in my eyes as I waited for the fighting to end. The next day, the Brits were under strenght so I took the King's shilling and became a Tory. I finally ran out of powder and I saw a colonial taking aim on me. I made sure I was in a nice shady spot to die that time, heh!
The taste of black powder, the smell of the smoke and the crack of muskets is like a drug. It is seriously addictive, and you feel it when the officer is shouting "Lay fire into them, Gentlemen! Put them to the steel!"
I can't wait for my next battle!
BTW, there are at least two teenage girls in out outfit who fall in the ranks and shoulder weapons instead of doing the traditional homecraft demonstrations that the other women do.. Shooting is a lot more fun!
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Sheepdogess Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:40:13pm |
re: #628 darthstar
.n asshole. a
Your a bad asshole. Go to bed.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:40:24pm |
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researchok Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:41:21pm |
re: #541 Cato the Elder
Zackly.
Until we can effectively outlaw stupidity, all the Nanny State provisions will do is provide more fodder for the Prison Industrial Complex.
Seriously, here in Maryland, I expect somebody any day now to introduce a bill that would require mandatory safety helmets anytime you're not in bed. Or even then.
After all, you could fall down the fucking stairs and hurt yourself.
Cue cross pond reality. Firefighters told: Don't climb ladders
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jaunte Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:41:44pm |
Tebow:
In the end someone will take him and take him high – higher perhaps than his ability dictates. And it won’t be because of religion but because a team will fear that someday he’s going to be good enough to make them look bad for not taking him.
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
| 643 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:42:05pm |
re: #608 eclectic infidel
What's your poison tonight?
I'm missing a friend who passed years ago. Just a couple whiskey and waters.
Forever, letting go.
Oh, my. I'm missing my friend Moses, who died eleven years ago.
We were best friends forever for eleven years. Cancer took him down in six months.
Every time I called him up, it was like a greeting from Gandalf. "CATO! How are you? Tell me everything."
Moses: a convert to Russian Orthodoxy who could tell salacious stories like no man alive.
RIP.
My poison tonight is Cuba Libres.
| 644 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:42:15pm |
On a clear day in L.A., you can see forever....
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:42:58pm |
| 646 |
bosforus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:43:20pm |
re: #644 ryannon
On a clear day in L.A., you can see forever...
Well, until the mountains, at least.
;)
| 647 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:43:41pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:44:53pm |
re: #643 Cato the Elder
Let us toast to our friends, who we loved, and continue to love.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:45:46pm |
re: #645 Cato the Elder
Lapis philosophi.
Interesting... I just finished cutting, shaping and polishing two lapis pendants tonight. Very pretty blue...
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:46:05pm |
re: #649 windsagio
I really mean no harm or offense >>
I didn't take it as such.... LGF is an ongoing conversation.
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bosforus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:46:30pm |
re: #649 windsagio
I really mean no harm or offense >>
Would you kindly clue me into the meaning of the >> symbol that I've been seeing lately. It seems I missed the boat on this one.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:46:57pm |
re: #641 researchok
Cue cross pond reality. Firefighters told: Don't climb ladders
Umm. OK.
Don't climb a ladder to rescue an old lady from a burning building. You might hurt yourself.
"The New Yorker" used to have a little bottom-of-the-article feature called "There'll Always Be An England".
Not so much anymore.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:47:14pm |
re: #614 Cato the Elder
Cookies for Kindu? And plenty of fun for you.
No more questions, you testy Old Roman.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:47:38pm |
re: #650 eclectic infidel
Let us toast to our friends, who we loved, and continue to love.
hang on! Let me grab a beer!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:47:44pm |
re: #645 Cato the Elder
Lapis philosophi.
Translation: getting stoned on booze and philosophizing with Haku.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:49:23pm |
re: #658 ryannon
Translation: getting stoned on booze and philosophizing with Haku.
he answered "what is your quest" and "what is your favorite color" in pithy Latin.
i had to let him pass...
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:50:12pm |
re: #325 windsagio
I'd rather stab myself in the dick, thanks.
"Can you hammer a six-inch spike with your penis?"
"No..."
"A girl's gotta have her standards."
/Real Genius
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bosforus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:51:00pm |
re: #641 researchok
Cue cross pond reality. Firefighters told: Don't climb ladders
Their reasoning seems sound to me. Pay a private contractor to take down festival decorations instead of the fire department. Can't say I find much wrong with that.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:52:29pm |
re: #641 researchok
Cue cross pond reality. Firefighters told: Don't climb ladders
Pathetic. No other word for it.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:52:51pm |
re: #650 eclectic infidel
Let us toast to our friends, who we loved, and continue to love.
May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:54:09pm |
re: #661 bosforus
Their reasoning seems sound to me. Pay a private contractor to take down festival decorations instead of the fire department. Can't say I find much wrong with that.
But banning fire poles?! Geeze. Men don't become firefighters out of a desire to play it safe. Let them have the danger if they want. Especially if it speeds up their work.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:54:39pm |
re: #650 eclectic infidel
Let us toast to our friends, who we loved, and continue to love.
Aye.
Lomit trinkn un trinkn un take on an ek, far di wos senen gegangen ojf eyvik awek.
Old Yiddish song.
| 666 |
bosforus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:54:46pm |
re: #664 Dark_Falcon
But banning fire poles?! Geeze. Men don't become firefighters out of a desire to play it safe. Let them have the danger if they want. Especially if it speeds up their work.
Woah, wtf? How'd I miss that in the article?! That is ridiculous!
| 667 |
fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:00pm |
re: #641 researchok
Cue cross pond reality. Firefighters told: Don't climb ladders
Fire! Bad! Fire hot! No go near fire!
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:08pm |
re: #654 bosforus
Its unique to me, really. It comes from a kind of emoticon, namely >.< or >.> etc.
Because less than signs are a huge pain in the ass to do, I just always do the shifty-eyed one... and now its basicly just habit.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:34pm |
re: #654 bosforus
Would you kindly clue me into the meaning of the >> symbol that I've been seeing lately. It seems I missed the boat on this one.
it's a look to the right, it's a derivative of a smiley: [Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:42pm |
re: #658 ryannon
Translation: getting stoned on booze and philosophizing with Haku.
Quite right. Dogs know more about wisdom and God than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio.
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researchok Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:45pm |
re: #655 Cato the Elder
Umm. OK.
Don't climb a ladder to rescue an old lady from a burning building. You might hurt yourself.
"The New Yorker" used to have a little bottom-of-the-article feature called "There'll Always Be An England".
Not so much anymore.
More the pity.
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fat bastard vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:58:02pm |
re: #665 Cato the Elder
At what age did you find this talent for languages?
A totally serious question.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:58:33pm |
re: #522 Floral Giraffe
"Send lawyers, guns and money, the shit has hit the fan."
Name that tune!
I got a part-time job at my father's carpet store
Laying tackless stripping, and housewives by the score
I loaded up their furniture, and took it to Spokane
And auctioned off every last naugahyde divan
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:59:52pm |
re: #641 researchok
Cue cross pond reality. Firefighters told: Don't climb ladders
They can still climb the ladders to rescue people. I agree with it not being their job to do non-essential chores such as removing bunting.
But, that nonsense about not having a pole based on some Euroweenie regulation is beyond comprehension.
| 676 |
jaunte Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:00:06pm |
Harry's Place reader stranded; New Yorkers' advice requested:
ot- but just to say hi from me stranded in new york after what was meant to be a brief visit for family wedding. me and mr amie fortunate to be with BA and subject to EU regs so BA is putting us up at airport hotel until flight a week later than planned- around 27th april. unlike non EU airline people who are getting zilch and are camped out at the terminals. at least i thought we were lucky until this hotel, JFK International started summarily evicting all the BA passengers yesterday morning. Some dispute with BA about payment. nasty exchange between front desk and the very nice helpful BA rep as if she were some two bit bilker rather than rep for a company like ba. sorted for now, but left us v unsettled and nervous we will come back from the city to find our stuff thrown in the lobby.anyway, any new yorkers with tips of cheap/free stuff to do- assume we know ny fairly well and have done all the usual.[Link: hurryupharry.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:02:10pm |
re: #675 MandyManners
They can still climb the ladders to rescue people. I agree with it not being their job to do non-essential chores such as removing bunting.
But, that nonsense about not having a pole based on some Euroweenie regulation is beyond comprehension.
I really hope the UK gets fed up and gives the EU the finger. The EU seems to suck the life and freedom out of things.
| 678 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:02:47pm |
re: #677 Dark_Falcon
Not sure 'freedom' has anything to do with that example tho >
| 679 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:03:25pm |
And the Hawks win 3-0! Series tied 2-2. Go Hawks!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:06:51pm |
re: #679 Dark_Falcon
And the Hawks win 3-0! Series tied 2-2. Go Hawks!
That's a real low score for a basketball game... ;)
Pittsburgh-Ottawa in 2nd OT tied 3-3.
And I see the Flyers have eliminated the Devils and laid claim to the Delaware Valley... :)
| 682 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:07:59pm |
re: #672 fat bastard vegetarian
At what age did you find this talent for languages?
A totally serious question.
Well, now.
My mother was a folk-music freak before I was born. One of her favorites was Theodore Bikel, who could sing in 36 languages, and spoke 18 or so.
She played his 33 rpm LPs while I was in the womb, and long after.
And she was (and is, God bless) a language person, in contrast to my dad, who couldn't fight his way out of a language conundrum with a katana. (He is, however, a genius in math and science, something he tried to pound into me with a hammer, without success.)
So when I got to school and they tried to "school" me in reading, I was outreading the teachers.
My first "official" foreign language was Russian. Still know it.
Then came private school, with more Russian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, and Greek.
And I pick up something new every day.
All of which has taught me that the most sponge-like, absorbent language in the world is English.
Look up the words "pajama" and "veranda" if you don't believe me.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:24pm |
re: #681 oaktree
That's a real low score for a basketball game... ;)
Pittsburgh-Ottawa in 2nd OT tied 3-3.
And I see the Flyers have eliminated the Devils and laid claim to the Delaware Valley... :)
Not good. That'll make NJDHF rather unhappy.
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MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:29pm |
re: #677 Dark_Falcon
I really hope the UK gets fed up and gives the EU the finger. The EU seems to suck the life and freedom out of things.
And to think that there are many who want us to be just like them.
| 685 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:51pm |
| 686 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:52pm |
I will never get tired of watching Jon Stewart dancing in tune with a gospel quire chanting "go f*** yourself"
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:13:16pm |
re: #682 Cato the Elder
Well, now.
My mother was a folk-music freak before I was born. One of her favorites was Theodore Bikel, who could sing in 36 languages, and spoke 18 or so.
She played his 33 rpm LPs while I was in the womb, and long after.
And she was (and is, God bless) a language person, in contrast to my dad, who couldn't fight his way out of a language conundrum with a katana. (He is, however, a genius in math and science, something he tried to pound into me with a hammer, without success.)
So when I got to school and they tried to "school" me in reading, I was outreading the teachers.
My first "official" foreign language was Russian. Still know it.
Then came private school, with more Russian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, and Greek.
And I pick up something new every day.
All of which has taught me that the most sponge-like, absorbent language in the world is English.
Look up the words "pajama" and "veranda" if you don't believe me.
English doesn't borrow from other languages, English follows other languages into a dark alley, hits them over the head with a lead pipe and ruffles through their pockets for loose verbs....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:13:32pm |
re: #682 Cato the Elder
Thanks. I've been wondering.
Robert Tannenbaum has a series of NYC Lawyer books with Butch Carp as a protagonist. His daughter, Lucy, shows a talent for languages very early, and linguists study her (No! They're not cunning!)... the idea of a persons facility for languages fascinates me.
This coming from someone who screws up ordering a vegetarian burrito in a Mexican restaurant. The same damn thing every time, and I can't get it right.
| 690 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:14:12pm |
The Kid's team won the season opener, 19-18, in a game that ran three freakin' hours. He pitched a no-hitter for one inning and scored three runs. He also caught a pop-up in the right field. Woo.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:15:44pm |
re: #690 MandyManners
The Kid's team won the season opener, 19-18, in a game that ran three freakin' hours. He pitched a no-hitter for one inning and scored three runs. He also caught a pop-up in the right field. Woo.
Good job, Kid!
(Mom too, but the Kid gets the praise!)
| 692 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:18:04pm |
Thread killer?
Was it the onions in dinner?
Gosh, gee, well.
| 693 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:18:16pm |
re: #689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks. I've been wondering.
Robert Tannenbaum has a series of NYC Lawyer books with Butch Carp as a protagonist. His daughter, Lucy, shows a talent for languages very early, and linguists study her (No! They're not cunning!)... the idea of a persons facility for languages fascinates me.
This coming from someone who screws up ordering a vegetarian burrito in a Mexican restaurant. The same damn thing every time, and I can't get it right.
I love that series, especially Marlene, but it's kind of going downhill.
| 694 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:18:51pm |
re: #692 Floral Giraffe
Thread killer?
Was it the onions in dinner?
Gosh, gee, well.
This thread is approaching its critical mass, we need Charles to start up a new one, there's only so much we can say about mountains and Windmills...
| 695 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:18:58pm |
re: #690 MandyManners
The Kid's team won the season opener, 19-18, in a game that ran three freakin' hours. He pitched a no-hitter for one inning and scored three runs. He also caught a pop-up in the right field. Woo.
Nice. Hopefully, you've got the next Carlos Zambrano there.
| 696 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:02pm |
re: #693 SanFranciscoZionist
Most series' of books do really. Especially in genre fiction.
| 697 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:26pm |
It figures.... SEC watchdogs were surfing for pron instead of violations.... or at least that's the CBS outrageous outrage today...
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
| 698 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:50pm |
re: #693 SanFranciscoZionist
I love that series, especially Marlene, but it's kind of going downhill.
They never spent enough time on Lucy! She was, by far, my favorite... (and that evil Asian uncle.)
| 700 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:20:40pm |
re: #695 Dark_Falcon
Nice. Hopefully, you've got the next Carlos Zambrano there.
the next relief pitcher?
(joke about Cubs, not the Kid)
| 701 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:26pm |
re: #699 windsagio
Man, that's kinda great kinda terrible.
Over five years... so most of it was on Bush's watch...
| 702 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:30pm |
| 703 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:37pm |
I am going to go make myself not awake.
G'night knuckleheads.
| 704 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:22:23pm |
| 705 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:23:00pm |
re: #704 windsagio
Hah! I suppose its better than sitting on their thumbs,
err, that sounds naughty
A senior attorney at the SEC's Washington headquarters spent up to eight hours a day looking at and downloading pornography. When he ran out of hard drive space, he burned the files to CDs or DVDs, which he kept in boxes around his office. He agreed to resign, an earlier watchdog report said.
| 706 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:24:10pm |
re: #705 Thanos
See I wanna make a joke about how Bush wouldn't let them regulate so they were just keeping busy, but I try not to rip on the guy too much.
Oh well, you get the idea >>
| 707 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:24:28pm |
re: #691 Floral Giraffe
Good job, Kid!
(Mom too, but the Kid gets the praise!)
Why, thank you!
He's already sound asleep and I'm thinking about it.
| 708 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:25:55pm |
re: #698 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They never spent enough time on Lucy! She was, by far, my favorite... (and that evil Asian uncle.)
Tran is great. Lucy...I dunno. First she was a cute little kid, and then she was a supergenius, and then she was going to stay a virgin, and then that sort of went away...I dunno. Not my cup of tea.
Marlene is my role model, which is really a terrible thing to say out loud, isn't it?
| 709 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:25:57pm |
re: #651 Walter L. Newton
Interesting... I just finished cutting, shaping and polishing two lapis pendants tonight. Very pretty blue...
Well, then, time for my favorite Yeats poem.
I HAVE heard that hysterical women say
They are sick of the palette and fiddle-bow.
Of poets that are always gay,
For everybody knows or else should know
That if nothing drastic is done
Aeroplane and Zeppelin will come out.
Pitch like King Billy bomb-balls in
Until the town lie beaten flat.
All perform their tragic play,
There struts Hamlet, there is Lear,
That's Ophelia, that Cordelia;
Yet they, should the last scene be there,
The great stage curtain about to drop,
If worthy their prominent part in the play,
Do not break up their lines to weep.
They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread.
All men have aimed at, found and lost;
Black out; Heaven blazing into the head:
Tragedy wrought to its uttermost.
Though Hamlet rambles and Lear rages,
And all the drop-scenes drop at once
Upon a hundred thousand stages,
It cannot grow by an inch or an ounce.
On their own feet they came, or On shipboard,'
Camel-back; horse-back, ass-back, mule-back,
Old civilisations put to the sword.
Then they and their wisdom went to rack:
No handiwork of Callimachus,
Who handled marble as if it were bronze,
Made draperies that seemed to rise
When sea-wind swept the corner, stands;
His long lamp-chimney shaped like the stem
Of a slender palm, stood but a day;
All things fall and are built again,
And those that build them again are gay.
Two Chinamen, behind them a third,
Are carved in lapis lazuli,
Over them flies a long-legged bird,
A symbol of longevity;
The third, doubtless a serving-man,
Carries a musical instmment.
Every discoloration of the stone,
Every accidental crack or dent,
Seems a water-course or an avalanche,
Or lofty slope where it still snows
Though doubtless plum or cherry-branch
Sweetens the little half-way house
Those Chinamen climb towards, and I
Delight to imagine them seated there;
There, on the mountain and the sky,
On all the tragic scene they stare.
One asks for mournful melodies;
Accomplished fingers begin to play.
Their eyes mid many wrinkles, their eyes,
Their ancient, glittering eyes, are gay.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
| 710 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:26:05pm |
re: #695 Dark_Falcon
Nice. Hopefully, you've got the next Carlos Zambrano there.
I'm glad the coach has two other pitchers. It can wear him out.
| 711 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:26:39pm |
Per the mystery discussion above, I'm kinda thinking of going over to Powells and getting seriously into some hardcore old mystery stories. Like Raymond Chandler or Dashiell Hammett.
Anybody wanna make a suggestion?
| 712 |
laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:29:04pm |
re: #706 windsagio
See I wanna make a joke about how Bush wouldn't let them regulate so they were just keeping busy, but I try not to rip on the guy too much.
Oh well, you get the idea >>
That's okay, it's all Nick Clegg's fault anyway.
| 713 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:29:09pm |
re: #711 windsagio
Try "The Far Arena" for a Roman time travel mystery, or sort of a mystery.
| 714 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:30:51pm |
I'm out ... time to watch some television with my wife. See you on the morrow
| 715 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:31:18pm |
re: #711 windsagio
Any Dorothy Sayers with Lord Peter Wimsey in it. They're all good. Also, different but equally wonderful, Arthur Upfield, the Napoleon Bonaparte series.
| 716 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:32:36pm |
re: #711 windsagio
Also, buying used on Amazon is very inexpensive. Powells has been mentioned as a super bookstore, but Amazon is probably less expensive.
| 717 |
Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:32:46pm |
| 718 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:32:59pm |
Whoa...
This is from a list of "The Rational Proofs of Christianity"
5) UFO abductions have been stopped in the name of Jesus.
UFOs are not metal spaceships from other star systems. Many of even the secular researchers are beginning to see that UFOs come not from another physical location but from another dimension. Christian UFO researchers believe UFOs come from the realm of spirit and are demonic.
There are many testimonies of attempted UFO abductions that have been stopped by the person calling out the name of Jesus. (See Charisma magazine April 2001 page 46.) There are many recent books that explain UFOs from a Christian perspective.
I think someone needs to look up the definition of the word rational...or perhaps just remember to put on their tinfoil hat before writing "Christian" articles. ;)
| 719 |
Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:04pm |
Amazon review of "The Far Arena":
"The Far Arena" is, quite simply, a magnificent story, which places Richard Sapir among the top ranks of novelist talents. Why this one did not receive greater acclaim is a mystery, because this is a powerful, well-written, even compelling story dealing with ancient Rome. Without spoiling the plot, it is simple enough: by entirely plausible scientific means, a Roman gladiator is revived in the modern age. His flashbacks to life in ancient Rome and his impressions of the modern age are all woven into a compelling plot that moves at lightning speed to a startling and yet wistful conclusion. This is a great story.
Sapir's prose is superb. Many authors have trouble switching from first-person narration to a third-person perspective as Sapir does in this novel, but Sapir does it effortlessly. The storyline never drags. The novel has a wonderful sense of authenticity that causes the ancient Roman Empire to become real to the reader. Sapir's characterizations are excellent as well. Eugeni, the Roman gladiator and the other leading characters all become real people about whom the reader will come to care a great deal. Put simply, there is very little about this novel not to like.
I own two copies of this one and would never part with either--I consider this to be one of the very best novels I have ever read. The discerning reader will want to read and keep this one in his or her personal library.
| 720 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:26pm |
re: #716 Floral Giraffe
It is for new stuff, But "Support your Local Bookstore" bla bla bla >>
| 723 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:12pm |
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
| 724 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:13pm |
re: #720 windsagio
Yes, local bookstores deserve our support! Especially if they can or will order something that you want & they don't have in stock!
| 725 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:52pm |
For the linguistically interested, here's FCBPS (fucking commie bastard Pete Seeger) and Theodore Bikel (fucking commie bastard) singing "How Pleasant It Is for Brothers to Live Together" while a fucking commie bastard Palestinian looks on.
What I grew up with. What I still in my dreams at night hope for in my dreams.
Hi, Mandy!
| 726 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:36:06pm |
From Irshad Manji, a petition regarding the threats against the South Park dudes.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:36:58pm |
NO Spoiler...but Project Runway!!!!!
YAY!!!!!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:37:12pm |
re: #716 Floral Giraffe
Also, buying used on Amazon is very inexpensive. Powells has been mentioned as a super bookstore, but Amazon is probably less expensive.
Depends on what you're buying. Amazon has a standard shipping fee on each book, so used in the store, or even new cheap paperbacks are sometimes cheaper.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:38:16pm |
re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist
There was an Amanpour episode a few weeks ago featuring Ayaan Hirsi Ali vs. Tariq Ramadan.
Oh, the fireworks!
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:39:11pm |
re: #725 Cato the Elder
For the linguistically interested, here's FCBPS (fucking commie bastard Pete Seeger) and Theodore Bikel (fucking commie bastard) singing "How Pleasant It Is for Brothers to Live Together" while a fucking commie bastard Palestinian looks on.
[Video]What I grew up with. What I still in my dreams at night hope for in my dreams.Hi, Mandy!
Pete Seeger used to be very pro-Israel, between the years of 1948-1967.
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:39:23pm |
re: #723 Alouette
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
WTF?
Once when I was waiting tables the this asshat told the hostess he did not want any "fat chicks" to wait on him (which would mean me since I'm chubby and it was my station) so the manager told him to get out.
That was awesome.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:40:04pm |
re: #723 Alouette
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
WTFF indeed. I hope this guy gets enough money to spend the rest of his life sunning on the beach, being served drinks with umbrellas in them.
Also, these people are British, but told a hotel in Florida they didn't want to be served by people with 'foreign accents'?
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:40:52pm |
re: #723 Alouette
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
This is one of those times where not only is the customer not right, but is just downright f**king wrong, as is the hotel for catering to their prejudices.
The Ritz-Carlton should have stood behind all of its employees and told that couple to go pound f**king sand...
| 734 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:41:17pm |
re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist
WTFF indeed. I hope this guy gets enough money to spend the rest of his life sunning on the beach, being served drinks with umbrellas in them.
Also, these people are British, but told a hotel in Florida they didn't want to be served by people with 'foreign accents'?
I would boycott the Ritz Carlton, but I've been doing that anyway so they wouldn't know the difference.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:41:40pm |
re: #723 Alouette
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
Hope he wins big. That the Ritz-Carlton acquiesced these racists is unbelievable.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:42:03pm |
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webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:43:04pm |
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:43:42pm |
re: #723 Alouette
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
This exchange from the comments in that article is funny.
dotcalmer writes:in response to Bigkondor:
So Dot, if you want to remove the gloves fine. Answer the question. If I am more qualified for a job but only speak English, should I sue because they want a bi-lingual person.
Well... If they want a person who is bi-lingual, and you're not, THEN YOUR NOT MORE QUALIFIED!!!!
Just say you hate everyone who's not white. Makes it easier.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:45:24pm |
re: #737 webevintage
I won't, but I am so happy!!!
I've still got over an hour. And I'm TIRED. I'll make it though.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:45:33pm |
re: #738 Renaissance_Man
Sounds like another promising possible proto-lizard....
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:45:53pm |
| 743 |
mich-again Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:46:27pm |
I wonder how the windmills evolved to 3 blades. All those old windmills had 4 blades. Was it natural selection of a random mutation or intelligent design? ha.
| 744 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:46:36pm |
re: #742 Aceofwhat?
haha sorry, if you can't tell, I'm deeply regionalist :D
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:48:22pm |
re: #744 windsagio
haha sorry, if you can't tell, I'm deeply regionalist :D
that's ok. just let me know whenever you need to be reminded what's on the other side of those clouds that always seem to be in your sky;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:48:32pm |
re: #734 Alouette
I would boycott the Ritz Carlton, but I've been doing that anyway so they wouldn't know the difference.
At one point a friend of mine was organizing a boycott of Honeybaked Ham. Long story. Anyway, the Chabad rabbi who lived up the street from my parents assured her very kindly that he wouldn't buy anything from them ever.
| 747 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:48:50pm |
re: #723 Alouette
Racist tourists at the Ritz-Carlton in Florida do not want to be served by a "person of color" and the hotel accommodated their request!
I wonder if their grandparents cheered on Hilter.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:49:24pm |
re: #735 Stanley Sea
Hope he wins big. That the Ritz-Carlton acquiesced these racists is unbelievable.
Some people just go brain-dead when confronted with a pushy customer, but this is pretty extreme on that front.
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:49:46pm |
re: #745 Aceofwhat?
Hey! When the nuclear winter comes, you'll be dying of permanent Seasonal Affective Disorder, and I'll still be truckin' on!
| 750 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:50:29pm |
re: #747 MandyManners
I wonder if their grandparents cheered on Hilter.
The Pukka Sahibs of douchery
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:50:41pm |
re: #743 mich-again
I tried to look it up once you mentioned it, but I can't find anything. More veins does generate more power tho'.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:16pm |
re: #748 SanFranciscoZionist
Some people just go brain-dead when confronted with a pushy customer, but this is pretty extreme on that front.
I guess from now on they will be spending their holidays in Dubai.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:27pm |
re: #748 SanFranciscoZionist
Some people just go brain-dead when confronted with a pushy customer, but this is pretty extreme on that front.
I think Jon Stewart had a pretty good bit on what to do if you find yourself in a situation like this.....
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 754 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:35pm |
re: #750 Alouette
The Pukka Sahibs of douchery
But...didn't the ladies and gentlemen of the Raj ALWAYS get served by people of color with foreign accents? I thought that was the deal.
/
| 755 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:54pm |
re: #750 Alouette
The Pukka Sahibs of douchery
that's the best one-liner i've seen in recent memory...i'm in awe here...
| 756 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:52:08pm |
re: #752 Alouette
I guess from now on they will be spending their holidays in Dubai.
Do they have a lot of white people who speak native English waiting tables in Dubai?
| 757 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:52:28pm |
| 758 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:54:35pm |
re: #755 Aceofwhat?
that's the best one-liner i've seen in recent memory...i'm in awe here...
Keep those updings coming. I'm here all week. Try the grilled buttocks!
| 759 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:54:49pm |
I love dotcalmer's response to bigkondor.
| 760 |
bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:56:27pm |
re: #743 mich-again
I wonder how the windmills evolved to 3 blades. All those old windmills had 4 blades. Was it natural selection of a random mutation or intelligent design? ha.
Aerodynamics and efficiency. More blades would mean more turbulence which would slow down the rotation, a fourth blade also increases the mass beyond the added force. Part of this is due to the efficiency of the blade shape of the other three blades.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:56:48pm |
Well now. I saw the interest in the fireman's sliding pole and was able to find this:
Euromyth: Firemen's Poles outlawed
Firemen have saved precious seconds by sliding down a pole to the ground floors of their fire stations for almost 200 years. But now, due to new European safety directives, they are being ordered to walk down the stairs instead... Gloucestershire Fire Brigade has become the first in Britain to stop its firefighters using them in light of the EEC's 1992 Working Conditions Regulations.
Daily Mail, 16 June 2002, p 25Fire chiefs in the North-East are rejecting a European safety directive to stop staff sliding down station poles -- and cut injuries and compensation claims. The new EU safety directive states that firemen should be ordered to walk down the stairs instead.
The Newcastle Journal, 17 June 2002, p 4There is no legislation entitled the 'EEC Working Conditions Regulations 1992'. The most relevant pieces of European law are the Council Directives of 1989 and 1991 which encourage improvements in the health and safety of workers. Whilst these lay down important protective measures, stipulating that employers should anticipate and manage risk at the workplace, there is nothing in either which specifically relates to fireman's poles. The EU has not banned the use of this essential apparatus. It is highly likely that the articles are referring to the 1992 Codes of Practice on health and safety at work, adopted by the UK government to transpose the EU legislation into domestic law. Again these contain general provisions to ensure worker safety, but in no way do they dictate that firemen must 'walk down the stairs' instead of sliding down a pole.
| 762 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:57:33pm |
| 765 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:58:12pm |
Rule number 1.
The Daily Mail is a piece of shit paper.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:58:40pm |
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:59:25pm |
re: #764 windsagio
Color me hugely surprised >>
Yeah. No surprise for me at all. The moment I saw "Daily Mail" I was skeptical. Was watching before before I went out to pick up some snacks and such.
| 769 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:59:34pm |
re: #767 Renaissance_Man
Thanks, no idea how I missed that entire post :D
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:01:06pm |
re: #764 windsagio
Color me hugely surprised >>
They have a bunch of Euromyths here:
"Euromyths" are what we call scare stories about the EU reported in the British press, usually based on hearsay, rumours and half-truths, many of which have been repeated so often that they have become accepted truths within the public and media consciousness. This section clears up some of the most persistent of these. It is (unfortunately!) updated regularly.
For any further enquiries please feel free to e-mail the Press Office at: COMM-UK-PRESS [at] ec.europa.eu
An archive of Euromyths dated prior to 2004 can be found here.
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mich-again Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:02:27pm |
Aerodynamics and efficiency. More blades would mean more turbulence which would slow down the rotation, a fourth blade also increases the mass beyond the added force. Part of this is due to the efficiency of the blade shape of the other three blades.
Agreed. I'm guessing they could have figured that 3 blades would work better but they just didn't have the means or materials to build something light and strong enough. Much easier to build a 4 blade fan a couple hundred years ago.
| 772 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:03:02pm |
re: #770 Gus 802
That could be quite useful round here. Sometimes someone heard something, but we can't find the dang story.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:04:48pm |
re: #772 SanFranciscoZionist
That could be quite useful round here. Sometimes someone heard something, but we can't find the dang story.
It even has a Wiki entry: Euromyth
A Euromyth is a term used to describe negative media coverage of the European Union that is purported to be exaggerated, distorted or untruthful. The term refers in particular to claims of bureaucratic absurdity; it is sometimes a matter of controversy whether a particular claim is a myth or a partially accurate statement. On occasions, Euromyths may arise when the actions of a different European organisation, such as the Council of Europe, are erroneously attributed to the EU.
Some examples:
* 2.1.1 Circus performers to wear hard hats
* 2.1.2 Swings too high
* 2.1.3 Truck Drivers to eat Muesli
* 2.1.4 One-size condoms
* 2.1.5 Straight bananas
| 774 |
mich-again Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:06:03pm |
re: #770 Gus 802
I wonder if they really squish your car in London if you accummulate too violations for not paying the daily fee for having the privelege of driving in London. I remember a story about that once. It was like, we'll give you 4 tickets, the 5th time we tow your car and squish it into a cube.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:07:09pm |
re: #774 mich-again
I wonder if they really squish your car in London if you accummulate too violations for not paying the daily fee for having the privelege of driving in London. I remember a story about that once. It was like, we'll give you 4 tickets, the 5th time we tow your car and squish it into a cube.
That doesn't seem likely. For one thing, squishing the car probably costs quite a lot more than losing out on four driving fees. For another...it just sounds highly unlikely.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:08:05pm |
re: #774 mich-again
I wonder if they really squish your car in London if you accummulate too violations for not paying the daily fee for having the privelege of driving in London. I remember a story about that once. It was like, we'll give you 4 tickets, the 5th time we tow your car and squish it into a cube.
Hmm. Sounds pretty extreme. The typical thing is to impound a car for very high rates of speed or drunk driving. Never heard of a car being wrecked for parking tickets. Doesn't sound true because if they did impound a car they would turn around and sell it.
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Olsonist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:08:08pm |
re: #771 mich-again
Agreed. I'm guessing they could have figured that 3 blades would work better but they just didn't have the means or materials to build something light and strong enough. Much easier to build a 4 blade fan a couple hundred years ago.
Nope. For a wind turbine application, each blade adds more torque. More is better but more is more expensive.
| 779 |
MandyManners Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:08:28pm |
re: #762 windsagio
Can someone translate this for me?
dotcalmer writes:
in response to Bigkondor:
If they were spending $500 a day or more, thats their right. If they would have been asked to leave, noone would have gotten a tip. Unreal...I wonder who I can sue??? Maybe he would be happier in Haiti. OH I know who I can sue. There are lots of jobs I am qualified for but the ad says must be bi-lingual. Does anyone have that attys. number?
I know who you can sue... whatever educational system gave you a high school diploma. Tragic.
| 783 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:13:37pm |
Gus; yeah, I'm bookmarking that, might come in handy at some point >>
| 784 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:14:09pm |
Lol I just realized that Euromyths is part of the EU official page :D
| 785 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:14:22pm |
re: #784 windsagio
Lol I just realized that Euromyths is part of the EU official page :D
Conspiracy! ;)
| 786 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:14:47pm |
re: #785 Gus 802
I actually kinda like it. Governments becoming actually Net-savvy is only a good thing >>
| 787 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:15:11pm |
re: #779 MandyManners
I know who you can sue... whatever educational system gave you a high school diploma. Tragic.
Because, in this person's mind, being racially discriminated against at your place of employment is exactly the same as not getting a job you are not qualified for.
The mind boggles. Like a bowl of Jell-O.
| 788 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:15:32pm |
Random jump to last thread:
The south park guys are refusing to stream episode 201 unless they can do the uncensored version. Kinda cool, imo
| 789 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:15:53pm |
re: #786 windsagio
I actually kinda like it. Governments becoming actually Net-savvy is only a good thing >>
I thought President Obama would do more of that. They did for a time during the health care debates. He could use one now considering the deluge of misinformation and other myths running rampant these days.
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Bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:15:57pm |
re: #771 mich-again
Agreed. I'm guessing they could have figured that 3 blades would work better but they just didn't have the means or materials to build something light and strong enough. Much easier to build a 4 blade fan a couple hundred years ago.
The blade of a modern windmill is similar to an aircraft wing in that it creates lift. With an adequate wind-speed, it will spin more efficiently, with less weight. Thus it sits on a lighter pole and loses less of its generated force by moving its own mass. The old farmers windmill is more like a sail, catching the wind, it has the advantage of operating with less wind-speed, less efficient but more reliable. A lot of the force it generates goes to moving its added weight, and a stronger tower is required to hold the apparatus.
| 791 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:16:06pm |
re: #774 mich-again
I wonder if they really squish your car in London if you accummulate too violations for not paying the daily fee for having the privelege of driving in London. I remember a story about that once. It was like, we'll give you 4 tickets, the 5th time we tow your car and squish it into a cube.
"You have 30 minutes to move your car", "You have 10 minutes","Your car has been impounded", "Your car has been crushed into a cube", "You have 30 minutes to move your cube"."
| 792 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:16:57pm |
re: #791 WindUpBird
"You have 30 minutes to move your car", "You have 10 minutes","Your car has been impounded", "Your car has been crushed into a cube", "You have 30 minutes to move your cube"."
"Drop your weapon."
"You have 15 seconds to comply."
| 793 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:01pm |
re: #789 Gus 802
I thought President Obama would do more of that. They did for a time during the health care debates. He could use one now considering the deluge of misinformation and other myths running rampant these days.
I think it would just lead to more hostility--wasting the government's money on partisan claims, etc.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:30pm |
re: #791 WindUpBird
"You have 30 minutes to move your car", "You have 10 minutes","Your car has been impounded", "Your car has been crushed into a cube", "You have 30 minutes to move your cube"."
Yep, then they leave what was once your car in cube form in the same place you parked it. Then you have to pay for its disposal.
/
| 795 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:33pm |
re: #773 Gus 802
STRAIGHT BANANASSSS!!!111
| 796 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:39pm |
re: #790 Bagua
That's cool! Thank you!
*waves Hi*
| 797 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:18:29pm |
re: #791 WindUpBird
"You have 30 minutes to move your car", "You have 10 minutes","Your car has been impounded", "Your car has been crushed into a cube", "You have 30 minutes to move your cube"."
And I thought the boot was bad.
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Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:19:02pm |
re: #795 WindUpBird
STRAIGHT BANANASSS!!!111
I had to go back and look...
The alleged ban on curved bananas is a long-standing, famous, and stereotypical claim[23][24][25][26] that is used in headlines to typify the Euromyth.[27][28] Amongst other issues of acceptable quality and standards, the regulation does actually specify minimum dimensions. It also states that bananas shall be free from deformation or abnormal curvature.[29] However the provisions relating to shape apply fully only to bananas sold as Extra class; some defects of shape (but not size) are permitted in Class I and Class II bananas.
On 29 July 2008, the European Commission held a preliminary vote towards repealing certain regulations relating to other fruit and vegetables (but not bananas). According to the Commission's press release, "In this era of high prices and growing demand, it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them [...] It shouldn't be the EU's job to regulate these things. It is far better to leave it to market operators."[30] Some Eurosceptic sources have claimed this to be an admission that the original regulations did indeed ban under-sized or misshapen fruit and vegetables.[31][32]
On 25th March 2010, a BBC article noted that there are EU shape standardisation regulations in force on: "apples, citrus fruit, kiwi fruit, lettuces, peaches and nectarines, pears, strawberries, sweet peppers, table grapes and tomatoes," (but not bananas).[33]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:19:08pm |
re: #797 Stanley Sea
And I thought the boot was bad.
We don't get the car boots in the NW for the most part, they just tow.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:19:10pm |
re: #791 WindUpBird
"You have 30 minutes to move your car", "You have 10 minutes","Your car has been impounded", "Your car has been crushed into a cube", "You have 30 minutes to move your cube"."
RING RING RING!
Hello?
Is it about my cube?
| 801 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:20:00pm |
| 802 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:20:19pm |
| 804 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:20:35pm |
re: #799 WindUpBird
We don't get the car boots in the NW for the most part, they just tow.
Yeah, and if they do it wrong they can destroy a transmission. Towing is a big scam all over the states. One little parking mistake can easily cost you 150 dollars.
| 805 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:21:02pm |
re: #801 Killgore Trout
Where does he live? Burning garbage is vewwy, vewwy illegal in most locales...
:)
| 806 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:21:32pm |
re: #802 WindUpBird
hahahahaha yes :D
Well three other people had taken a swung and missed, I figured somebody had to finish off that Simpson's quote...
| 807 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:21:53pm |
man I hate to do this, but Olsonist, why the crap would you downding a wonderful explanation of wind turbines in response to an earlier question?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:22:22pm |
re: #804 Gus 802
Yeah, and if they do it wrong they can destroy a transmission. Towing is a big scam all over the states. One little parking mistake can easily cost you 150 dollars.
Oh, no doubt, it fucking happened to me! And it wasn't even me driving, my partner parked in our friends' apartment complex for about an hour, in HIS PARKING SPOT (he had no car) and my car got towed. The apartment had this predatory towing company dong their security, and they'd automatically tow any car that didn't have a sticker. I think the damage was $180. :(
| 809 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:22:25pm |
re: #801 Killgore Trout
Wait, wait. Let me think. I have something to say...
Glenn Beck is a jerk off.
| 810 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:23:29pm |
| 811 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:11pm |
re: #805 Varek Raith
Especially with petrochemicals involved. Polystyrene is not nice:
When polystyrene was burned at temperatures of 800-900 °C (the typical range of a modern incinerator), the products of combustion consisted of "a complex mixture of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) from alkyl benzenes to benzo[ghi]perylene. Over 90 different compounds were identified in combustion effluents from polystyrene."[26]
When burned without enough oxygen or at lower temperatures (as in a campfire or a household fireplace), polystyrene can produce polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, carbon black, and carbon monoxide, as well as styrene monomers.[24][27]
| 812 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:13pm |
re: #808 WindUpBird
But they'd never to his girlfriend when she was blocking me out of the spot.
WHICH WAS MINE!
| 813 |
justaminute Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:19pm |
Wow! Our OKC Thunder beat the Lakers 101 to 96. The next game on Saturday is going to be great.
| 814 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:23pm |
re: #808 WindUpBird
Oh, no doubt, it fucking happened to me! And it wasn't even me driving, my partner parked in our friends' apartment complex for about an hour, in HIS PARKING SPOT (he had no car) and my car got towed. The apartment had this predatory towing company dong their security, and they'd automatically tow any car that didn't have a sticker. I think the damage was $180. :(
I had someone meet with me at my tiny little house. Well, she parked at this abandoned gas station with no parking signs of course. But, there was this towing predator hanging around and he didn't even tow they care. We found him starting to hook up her car and wouldn't release it until someone payed $130.
| 815 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:57pm |
re: #812 windsagio
But they'd never to his girlfriend when she was blocking me out of the spot.
WHICH WAS MINE!
I've uncorked dormant rage!
| 816 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:25:02pm |
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Olsonist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:25:21pm |
re: #790 Bagua
The blade of a modern windmill is similar to an aircraft wing in that it creates lift. With an adequate wind-speed, it will spin more efficiently, with less weight. Thus it sits on a lighter pole and loses less of its generated force by moving its own mass. The old farmers windmill is more like a sail, catching the wind, it has the advantage of operating with less wind-speed, less efficient but more reliable. A lot of the force it generates goes to moving its added weight, and a stronger tower is required to hold the apparatus.
Too many mistakes to fix entirely but wing sections have lift and they also have drag. Also, sails are not parachutes. Even modern parachutes are not parachutes; they're wings. Sails are wings as are keels and rudders. FWIW, most of the lift going upwind in a sailboat is generated by the keel and your slowest point of sail is DDW. You really should sail offwind to get flow across the sails.
| 818 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:25:26pm |
re: #814 Gus 802
At the Community college where I grew up, there was a company that had a sign they'd HANG UP in a nromally no-sign vacant lot, and then tow anyone they could.
Bastards
| 819 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:26:02pm |
re: #812 windsagio
But they'd never to his girlfriend when she was blocking me out of the spot.
WHICH WAS MINE!
Install a battering ram to your car.
Or, for a bit more, I could install a stinger missile system behind the headlights...
| 820 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:26:12pm |
| 821 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:26:13pm |
re: #804 Gus 802
Yeah, and if they do it wrong they can destroy a transmission. Towing is a big scam all over the states. One little parking mistake can easily cost you 150 dollars.
Towing story. Went to friends house, left my car & went out to dinner. Apparently my fucking car alarm malfunctioned & went off the entire 3 hours we were gone. Neighbors called cops who called tow company. We get there just in time to see my car on the flat bed tow truck. Once that's done, too late, he took my credit card for 170.00. It sucked.
| 822 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:27:10pm |
re: #819 Varek Raith
haha he was a terrible roommate, and I supported him for months while he pretended to try to get a job.
The good news is now that I've moved out (forcing him to find work of course), now his NEW roommate has put HIM in the same position.
/I'm shocked myself at the ferocity of my remaining emotions actually >>
| 823 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:27:19pm |
re: #821 Stanley Sea
Towing story. Went to friends house, left my car & went out to dinner. Apparently my fucking car alarm malfunctioned & went off the entire 3 hours we were gone. Neighbors called cops who called tow company. We get there just in time to see my car on the flat bed tow truck. Once that's done, too late, he took my credit card for 170.00. It sucked.
Damn. You think they'd cut you a break if you just get there. Nah, won't happen. That business is full of felons.
| 824 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:28:33pm |
re: #823 Gus 802
Damn. You think they'd cut you a break if you just get there. Nah, won't happen. That business is full of felons.
Heh, like to see them tow my AT-AT.
*PEW PEW PEW*
| 825 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:28:54pm |
re: #823 Gus 802
In PDX for cop-called towings they actually had to put rate laws in, and rotation rules. Cops have a fixed schedule of which towing company they can call, and can't change it... to avoid kickbacks.
| 826 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:28:59pm |
re: #821 Stanley Sea
You were lucky. Here in Lala land, once the tow truck driver touches your car, it's a done deal. Cash only, if you want to solve the problem on the spot.
| 827 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:30:32pm |
You know one of these closing night threads we need to turn into a Simpson's triva challenge, with manly Simpsons questions like, how many slices of American Cheese can Homer Eat in a single night?
| 828 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:30:33pm |
Y'know, whatever else you say about the suburbs, we have great parking lots.
| 829 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:30:53pm |
re: #814 Gus 802
I had someone meet with me at my tiny little house. Well, she parked at this abandoned gas station with no parking signs of course. But, there was this towing predator hanging around and he didn't even tow they care. We found him starting to hook up her car and wouldn't release it until someone payed $130.
bad people. :( There's always predatory towing copany stories on the news here, and they often involve poor people who are having their cars held hostage, in some cases their cars are towed from their apartment complexes even though THEY BELONG THERE. And of course, scumbag towing company won't release it.
I heard this awesome story from Adam Corolla when he was still on Loveline. Same thing happened to him, he parked somewhere that looked totally legit, but was stalked by a predatory tow company. He got his car hooked up (it was a BMW M3) and dragged onto the tow truck's flatbed. So his friend goes up to the driver's door and starts making a scene with the tow driver, who's about to leave, stalling him. Corolla sneaks onto the guy's towbed, decoupling his car from the tow-truck. Then he hops in, slams it into reverse , drives it right off the tow-bed, friend gets in, they screech off into the night. He admitted there was a risk of damaging his car by jumping it off the bed, but he didn't care, the satisfaction of giving the tow truck driver the finger as they escaped was worth it. :D
| 830 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:30:54pm |
re: #821 Stanley Sea
I once spent an evening bumping the bumper of an old VW bus, that had a "trigger alarm". We had to "bump" it enough that 25 people called in to complain, before the LAPD would tow it as a nuisance. But, tow it they did!
| 831 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:31:51pm |
re: #822 windsagio
haha he was a terrible roommate, and I supported him for months while he pretended to try to get a job.
The good news is now that I've moved out (forcing him to find work of course), now his NEW roommate has put HIM in the same position.
/I'm shocked myself at the ferocity of my remaining emotions actually >>
it's rich irony!
| 832 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:31:55pm |
re: #826 Floral Giraffe
You were lucky. Here in Lala land, once the tow truck driver touches your car, it's a done deal. Cash only, if you want to solve the problem on the spot.
I guess. I was pissed! But yeah, they take it away and you pay storage too! Fiends!
| 833 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:32:01pm |
re: #828 EmmmieG
Y'know, whatever else you say about the suburbs, we have great parking lots.
My problem, when we had a running car, is that my husband is morally opposed to paying for parking.
| 834 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:32:03pm |
re: #828 EmmmieG
Y'know, whatever else you say about the suburbs, we have great parking lots.
Ahh, the largess of government subsidies...
| 835 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:32:30pm |
re: #827 jamesfirecat
You know one of these closing night threads we need to turn into a Simpson's triva challenge, with manly Simpsons questions like, how many slices of American Cheese can Homer Eat in a single night?
wasn't it 48?
| 836 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:32:55pm |
re: #833 SanFranciscoZionist
My problem, when we had a running car, is that my husband is morally opposed to paying for parking.
Its like going to a prostitute, why should I pay for something that if I work hard, I can get for free?
| 837 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:32:58pm |
re: #834 freetoken
Ahh, the largess of government subsidies...
Hunh? I was thinking that Fred Meyer paid for the parking lot.
| 838 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:33:38pm |
| 839 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:33:51pm |
Now everyone not from the NW is wondering who Fred Meyer is, and why he is building parking lots.
| 840 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:34:16pm |
| 841 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:34:17pm |
re: #833 SanFranciscoZionist
My problem, when we had a running car, is that my husband is morally opposed to paying for parking.
I'm the exact opposite. I'll pay $20 for parking for the convenience of just zipping into a spot without having to worry about it. The act of driving around downtown Portland before a concert looking for free parking fills me with fury. XD
(I can't imagine life without a car, it's in my DNA, but then, I'm in oregon, not the bay area)
| 842 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:34:43pm |
re: #836 jamesfirecat
Its like going to a prostitute, why should I pay for something that if I work hard, I can get for free?
Let's just say that I am happier when he works hard at the other thing.
| 843 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:34:46pm |
re: #828 EmmmieG
Y'know, whatever else you say about the suburbs, we have great parking lots.
I have underground parking. Apartment building. Only 30 bucks a month. I love it.
| 844 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:35:09pm |
re: #841 WindUpBird
I'm the exact opposite. I'll pay $20 for parking for the convenience of just zipping into a spot without having to worry about it. The act of driving around downtown Portland before a concert looking for free parking fills me with fury. XD
(I can't imagine life without a car, it's in my DNA, but then, I'm in oregon, not the bay area)
I take MAX. Thhbbbtt.
| 845 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:35:12pm |
re: #841 WindUpBird
My sister was outraged when they put in those new credit card run parking meters; you can't cadge a free 15 minutes here and there for quick stops anymore
| 846 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:36:10pm |
re: #838 jamesfirecat
Wrong. Google "Homer Simpson American Cheese" for the answer.
SON OF BITCH THAT AS MY SECOND GUESS :(
kay, how about this: who does mayor Quimby mistake Leonard Nimoy for?
| 847 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:36:26pm |
re: #842 SanFranciscoZionist
Let's just say that I am happier when he works hard at the other thing.
I was quoting Seinfeld to the best of my memory.
| 848 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:37:33pm |
re: #844 EmmmieG
I take MAX. Thhbbbtt.
I love the Max! But I need a car. I want about four or five. One beater daily driver, one van conversion, one rip snorting Detroit monster (ideally a Vette) and one tiny little ultralight track car. Whee!
| 849 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:37:55pm |
re: #846 WindUpBird
SON OF BITCH THAT AS MY SECOND GUESS :(
kay, how about this: who does mayor Quimby mistake Leonard Nimoy for?
I can't give you the actual actors name, (because it wasn't mentioned on the show) but I believe one possible line you're looking for is
"Weren't you one of the little rascals?"
Judges?
| 850 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:04pm |
re: #848 WindUpBird
I love the Max! But I need a car. I want about four or five. One beater daily driver, one van conversion, one rip snorting Detroit monster (ideally a Vette) and one tiny little ultralight track car. Whee!
I noticed that mini-van is missing....
| 851 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:04pm |
re: #845 windsagio
My sister was outraged when they put in those new credit card run parking meters; you can't cadge a free 15 minutes here and there for quick stops anymore
bwaha
I'm happy that I don't have to dig for change anymore :D
| 852 |
windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:13pm |
| 853 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:33pm |
re: #849 jamesfirecat
I can't give you the actual actors name, (because it wasn't mentioned on the show) but I believe one possible line you're looking for is
"Weren't you one of the little rascals?"
Judges?
that's the line!
"and the celebrity at the ribbon cutting ceremony was Gallagher..."
| 854 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:47pm |
re: #846 WindUpBird
... who does mayor Quimby mistake Leonard Nimoy for?
Speaking of whom, he has now officially announced his retirement from acting.
| 855 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:40:18pm |
re: #854 freetoken
Speaking of whom, he has now officially announced his retirement from acting.
Singing, too, right? Right?
| 856 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:40:22pm |
re: #852 windsagio
Van conversion? Lolwhy?
For bitchin' airbrush sides?
I've always wanted one! Wanted one since I was about 6 years old. For many reasons. 1: camping/road trips. 2: bitchin airbrush sides. 3: having the authentic 80's experience inside, with a tube Tv and an Atari 2600. 4: CAPTAINS CHAIRS
| 857 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:40:27pm |
| 858 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:41:30pm |
re: #853 WindUpBird
that's the line!
"and the celebrity at the ribbon cutting ceremony was Gallagher..."
My turn then, name another Simpsons episode where Leonard Nimoy showed up (you don't need to give me an actual episode name just a brief run through of the plot) and what part did he play in it?
| 859 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:42:29pm |
re: #850 EmmmieG
I noticed that mini-van is missing...
Van conversion = WAY COOLER THAN A MINIVAN IN EVERY WAY
okay, except this one. this is a minivan that could kill God: [Link: www.motortrend.com...]
| 860 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:43:01pm |
re: #858 jamesfirecat
My turn then, name another Simpsons episode where Leonard Nimoy showed up (you don't need to give me an actual episode name just a brief run through of the plot) and what part did he play in it?
No idea, I assume it's not the little star trek intro thing where everyone is tired :D
| 861 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:43:38pm |
re: #859 WindUpBird
Van conversion = WAY COOLER THAN A MINIVAN IN EVERY WAY
okay, except this one. this is a minivan that could kill God: [Link: www.motortrend.com...]
Mini-vans are the Mom jeans of the auto world. They're for people who are WAAAY too busy to worry about anything but comfort and functionality.
| 862 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:43:54pm |
Good night all.
I am compelled to go listen to my pillow!
| 863 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:44:16pm |
| 864 |
freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:45:25pm |
For your late night Earth Day viewing pleasure, PBS has online the documentary "Earth Days":
[Link: video.pbs.org...]
| 865 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:45:37pm |
re: #860 WindUpBird
No idea, I assume it's not the little star trek intro thing where everyone is tired :D
Episode where Homer Mistakes Mr. Burns for an Alien. Remember the Xfiles intro with Mr. Nimoy being the narrator?
Does this ring any bells?
Squeaky-Voiced Teen: (from off-screen) Uh, Mr. Nimoy, we have ten minutes left.
Leonard Nimoy: Oh, fine. Let me, uh, just get, uh... something out of my car.
(runs off and car is heard driving away)
Squeaky-Voiced Teen: (walking into camera shot) I don't think he's coming back.
| 866 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:51:06pm |
re: #861 EmmmieG
Mini-vans are the Mom jeans of the auto world. They're for people who are WAAAY too busy to worry about anything but comfort and functionality.
they make good sleepers tho! [Link: www.turbovan.net...]
| 867 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:52:50pm |
K, I'm going to get comfy under the covers and watch the Project Runway finale. See ya!
| 868 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:53:14pm |
re: #817 Olsonist
Too many mistakes to fix entirely but wing sections have lift and they also have drag. Also, sails are not parachutes. Even modern parachutes are not parachutes; they're wings. Sails are wings as are keels and rudders. FWIW, most of the lift going upwind in a sailboat is generated by the keel and your slowest point of sail is DDW. You really should sail offwind to get flow across the sails.
Too many mistakes to fix entirely but wing sections have lift and they also have drag.
That is my point, more blades means more drag, the larger blades of the older windmills, create more drag and also turbulence for their weight and size than the more aerodynamic blades of the modern windmill. Thus three “wings” gives more force than two “wings” but adds drag , turbulence and influences vibration.
At four wings there is not enough added force to be economical for the added mass, increased drag and increased turbulence. At three wings with the correct shape you have the sweet spot for that amount of mass to create that amount of force.
Also, sails are not parachutes. Even modern parachutes are not parachutes; they're wings.
Well yes, but the windmills “wings” are lighter and more efficient due to their design than the “wings” old farmers windmill. The aerodynamic shape of the blade, more like an aircraft wing, is more efficient with less mass for the same amount of wind and the amount of turbulence caused.
| 869 |
Gus Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:53:23pm |
re: #866 WindUpBird
they make good sleepers tho! [Link: www.turbovan.net...]
That's like a turbo K-Car.
| 870 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:53:52pm |
This is fun but I need to hit the sack we'll try this Simpson thing more tommorow...
| 871 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:53:55pm |
re: #869 Gus 802
That's like a turbo K-Car.
Yes. :D The stuff the guy did to it, it's evil, it runs 12 second quarter miles now!
| 872 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:54:14pm |
re: #870 jamesfirecat
This always makes me laugh:
Image: 461.gif
| 873 |
Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:58:01pm |
| 874 |
Olsonist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:23:13pm |
| 875 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:28:10pm |
| 877 |
Mr Pancakes Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:42:10pm |
re: #603 reloadingisnotahobby
From Redlands...(waves)!
Waves back... although I'm in Chula Vista
My sister lives there........ beautiful area, especially in the spring.
| 878 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:45:36pm |
re: #876 Olsonist
Tailplanes of an Ohio class sub.
I see, yes, more "wings". In that application, one assumes they are optimized for the amount of force and speed from the engines and also for water, not wind.
For windmills, the efficiency from one blade to two increases by about 6%, then from two to three blades it increases about 3%. Additional blades add incrementally more efficiency but at a diminishing rate. Thus it is not economical to go past three for the wind-mill application.
| 879 |
ClaudeMonet Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:53:24pm |
re: #209 Lidane
They're being true to their principles. The problem is that they're horrible principles.
Whoever said Blankenship should live in his own mine had the right idea, just as defense attorneys for serial killers and rapists should have the defendant living with them and their families.
| 880 |
ClaudeMonet Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:57:03pm |
re: #202 Obdicut
I really had thought the Troubles were largely behind us.
Oooh, great movie for anyone who hasn't seen it-- incredibly painful, terrifying movie, but great:
The Troubles are far less than they used to be, but some people can't reconcile with the idea of moving on. The hate has come to dominate their lives, and only bloodshed and turmoil will satisfy them.
| 881 |
Olsonist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:58:14pm |
re: #878 Bagua
I see, yes, more "wings". In that application, one assumes they are optimized for the amount of force and speed from the engines and also for water, not wind.
For windmills, the efficiency from one blade to two increases by about 6%, then from two to three blades it increases about 3%. Additional blades add incrementally more efficiency but at a diminishing rate. Thus it is not economical to go past three for the wind-mill application.
Really? A single bladed windmill has any efficiency at all? You might want to think about that one.
| 882 |
ClaudeMonet Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:03:55pm |
re: #263 Cato the Elder
My only objection to modern windmills is they're so fucking hard to tilt at.
"And so we leave Don Quixote sitting on his horse and Sancho Panza sitting on his ass."
| 883 |
Bagua Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:10:20pm |
re: #881 Olsonist
Really? A single bladed windmill has any efficiency at all? You might want to think about that one.
Yes, really. NASA built and tested one.
| 884 |
ClaudeMonet Fri, Apr 23, 2010 12:01:27am |
re: #711 windsagio
Per the mystery discussion above, I'm kinda thinking of going over to Powells and getting seriously into some hardcore old mystery stories. Like Raymond Chandler or Dashiell Hammett.
Anybody wanna make a suggestion?
Robert B. Parker's Perchance to Dream. Parker takes Chandler's classic Philip Marlowe character and writes a "sequel" to Chandler's The Big Sleep.
Hammett's Red Harvest or one of the collections of Continental Op short stories/novellas.
| 885 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:16:20am |
re: #743 mich-again
I wonder how the windmills evolved to 3 blades. All those old windmills had 4 blades. Was it natural selection of a random mutation or intelligent design? ha.
intelligent engineering and months of wind-tunnel testing.
| 886 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:19:11am |
re: #751 windsagio
I tried to look it up once you mentioned it, but I can't find anything. More veins does generate more power tho'.
And more weight, and more intertia.
Anyway, where's Lugwig when you need him?
| 887 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:20:46am |
re: #760 bagua
Aerodynamics and efficiency. More blades would mean more turbulence which would slow down the rotation, a fourth blade also increases the mass beyond the added force. Part of this is due to the efficiency of the blade shape of the other three blades.
And there you go.
I don't really know fuck about it anyway.
| 888 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:28:56am |
re: #817 Olsonist
Too many mistakes to fix entirely but wing sections have lift and they also have drag. Also, sails are not parachutes. Even modern parachutes are not parachutes; they're wings. Sails are wings as are keels and rudders. FWIW, most of the lift going upwind in a sailboat is generated by the keel and your slowest point of sail is DDW. You really should sail offwind to get flow across the sails.
Day-amm!
| 889 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:31:51am |
re: #822 windsagio
haha he was a terrible roommate, and I supported him for months while he pretended to try to get a job.
The good news is now that I've moved out (forcing him to find work of course), now his NEW roommate has put HIM in the same position.
/I'm shocked myself at the ferocity of my remaining emotions actually >>
By the way, I've been meaning to ask you if you're looking for a new roommate....
| 890 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:42:30am |
| 891 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:45:12am |
So I get to the end of the thread and I see that it's already dead and no one's even looking at my posts!
Hahahahaha!
Fuck.
| 892 |
freetoken Fri, Apr 23, 2010 2:59:12am |
re: #891 ryannon
But it will be archived for all time and in 500 years somebody will decode this thread and say "yup, ryannon was onto something!"
| 893 |
Sacred Plants Fri, Apr 23, 2010 5:12:09am |
re: #1 windsagio
I have no idea how anybody can freakin' say those windmills are eyesores.
They're amazing and beautiful, especially in motion.
It all depends on the type of landscape you put them in. If the devices are bigger than the landmarks, it is a bit as if a bunch of Cristo Redentors was to be installed on the hills of Judaea and Samaria.
/playing dead for the lurkers
| 894 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 9:24:01am |
| 895 |
Olsonist Fri, Apr 23, 2010 9:29:28am |
re: #883 Bagua
Did they really build that one or this one? Notice the camera angle similarity.
Image: windNASA_MOD-0_smoke_test_1982_05937L.jpg
Again, think about it just a little.
| 896 |
ryannon Fri, Apr 23, 2010 10:31:20am |
The MadLev is a magnetically levitated wind turbine that can generate one Gigawatt of power (enough to power 750,000 homes) and delivers clean power for less than one cent per kilowatt hour using this wind turbine.
Magnetic levitation is a very efficient method of capturing wind energy. The blades of the turbine are suspended on a cushion of air, and the energy is directed to linear generators with minimal fiction losses. But the big advantage with maglev is that it reduces maintenance costs, and increases the lifespan of the generator. The manufacturer claims that it requires less land space than hundreds of conventional turbines. The MagLev wind turbine was invented by Ed Mazur, a researcher of variable renewable energy sources since 1981. There are already several MagLev wind turbines in operation in China.
| 897 |
bagua Fri, Apr 23, 2010 11:02:44am |
re: #895 Olsonist
Did they really build that one or this one? Notice the camera angle similarity.
Image: windNASA_MOD-0_smoke_test_1982_05937L.jpg
Again, think about it just a little.
Yes, they really built and tested the one bladed Mod-0 variant in 1985, a few years after the variant you pictured from 1982
Here the variants are detailed, and here and here.
1985 One Bladed teetered Rotor with tip control.
Do you also question the moon landings? Hint: they were real as well.
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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